playing oot for the first time, this was kino. Water temple isn't as bad as people say
>>740242232try being 5
>use keys in the wrong order>softlocked forever Yes it was "as bad" as people say.
i don't remember the water temple being particularly hard to the point of reaching meme statusthere was one room with a hidden path under a platform that would rise with the wateri think it tripped up a lot of people because you had to turn around to even notice it
>>740242232Water temple was worse as a kid playing in brief sessions between school and homework/chores supper.You'd make a little progress, save and quit, come back at the entrance to the temple and spend half your okay session figuring out which of the identical doors on the identical walls of all 4 identical floors you had already finished and which one you needed to go through next.It's not a badly designed temple, it's just very inconvenient if you need to backtrack to refresh your memory or redo a water level change to check something.
>>740242785The softlock was only in Master quest and it was "solved" with a devkey hidden in a wall.
>>740242785that's a myth, it's actually really difficult to dohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62BjoIbXN-k>>740242813yeah, that path at the bottom of the tower isn't even fucking shown so it's super easy to miss. I was stuck until I watched a walkthrough. Also>reddit spacing
>>740242913Would a five year old even make it to the water temple? It's a pretty long ways in.
>>740243084>reddit spacingit's more like i'm literally taking a shit and typing it on my phone
>>740242232it's honestly funny how the mid boss is so much more remembered than the main boss
iirc Water Temple was only hard because one of the keys unlocked a door that wasn't obvious so you spent a lot of time running around looking for it
>>740242590I beat the entire game at 8 years old and didn't get filtered by the water temple.Stop being brown.
>>740243316cool arena, cool concept. Though the fight itself is more tedious than anything, fucker keeps backflipping and blocking
>>740243402>guys am i soft locked????
>>740242232The water temple is an IQ test and most people have low IQs.
>>740243808>one hidden shitty path>IQ test
>>740243248>phoneposter
oot is a pretty cool game desu, it's funny how early 2000s faggot youtubers were shitting on it
>>740244553>it's funny how early 2000s faggot youtubers were shitting on itWhat? I require some evidence.
>>740245158it was the cool thing to do back then. Calling OoT bad made you seem "smart" or whatever.
>>740245497Care to post an example?
>>740245557https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOC3vixnj_0
I got through water temple just fine but had to look up a guide for forest temple :/
>>740245557https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFmrzRUojS0
>>740242992>devkeythat is literally THE key for master quest, wtf
>>740245769if i may post a rebuttalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GfvMQs8S5k&list=RD3GfvMQs8S5k
>>740245659That's early 10's anon. And yes I recall Egoraptor being a faggot about OoT. I think this point in time really exposed the "generational gap" between late Gen Xers who grew up with the SNES and millennials, because a lot of them simply couldn't get the hang of a 3D spacial environment during the N64 transition, probably because they skipped the console altogether.
>>740242232It's not hard, it's just tedious which I agree is bad.
>>740242232Great Bay in MM was way worse
>>740245954Oh god yes.
>>740245893Early 2000s might as well include everything up to 2014, at this point. It feels like a completely different fucking world regardless.
>>740242232Hi, Eros
>>740246074I hope that's not some faggy streamer, I bet it is tho
why do you get fire arrows in the zora hemispherewhy do you get ice arrows in the gerudo hemispherewhy did zelda keep light arrows up her asswhats wrong with hyrule
>>740243412Same but i didn't even know about the eye of truth. Yes, you can beat the game without it.
>>740242232>Water temple isn't as bad as people saylol that's the best dungeon in the game, lets go ahead and red pill the youngins'I'm not sure it holds up. It doesn't have analog camera, it runs at 240p resolution and average 20fps, there's hitching when you pause the game, saving quitting and resuming doesn't retain your position in the game, most puzzles involve block pushing or just shooting a switch, there's unskippable cutscenes every 30 seconds, the lock on bounces to enemies you dont intend it to, there's knee high fences you cannot vault over, there's inclines the horse refuses to move beyond, you have to play several songs and run back to the temple of time to transform between child and adult forms, rupees are completely worthless and seemingly the only reward you get for exploration, the dialogue options are redundant just forcing you to pick Yes, there's tons of things the game just doesn't explain, there's tons of things the game over explains, the map is useless, a lot of the only sidequests in the game are fetch quests, nonexistent swimming controls, arbitrary limitations between child and adult link items, the teleports between areas leave a lot to be desired, no faster movement mechanic for young link, the challenge is virtually nonexistent, there's a lot of backtracking for 100% completion, Navi gets stuck repeating the same info routinely, many items are just palette swaps or replacements with the same functionality, and there's no world building or character development.For its time like 30 years ago it must have been really impressive, however these days I can probably give it a 7/10. I would rather play basically any other game, at all, or in this franchise even.
>>740246191I played the SNES zelda just before OoT and Ocarina is great. I can see how it was so influential. If anything I'm wary of playing WW.
>>740246191I'm not reading all of that larp. Make it shorter next time.
>>740246278>If anything I'm wary of playing WW.Where to start. The game is called Wind Waker, that's the name of the music item that is used to control the sailing that you do for a large part of the game. When Nintendo remastered it, they implemented the swift sail. Not only does this cut the time spent sailing in half, it also supplants the Wind Waker of its use in sailing too. So we're looking at a flawed concept from inception, if a remaster decides to start gutting core features, and it's portrayed as a positive.You spend a lot of time sailing, pirate themed, so collecting treasure has a big focus right? every chest you pull up is pretty much guaranteed to be rupees. This game introduced massive size wallets to hold thousands of rupees, which is a large step up from the 500 rupees in the previous games. So you're expected to collect a lot of rupees, they are a uniform treasure, you get them sailing, you get them in dungeons, in towns, all over, and they contribute to your collected funds. In the original the point of this was to use them to translate the triforce charts, the second to last progression of the game before going to the final boss. So this is pretty much Wind Waker's best use case of non-linear progression, you find progress to be made all over the game world. The remaster reduces how many rupees would be required in half, and also doubles the amount of rupees that can be carried in each tier of wallet.I could go on and on about this game, but it's clearly a game at odds with itself, and poorly executes everything. The remaster guts features and fans of the game tend to praise it for doing so. It's clear that even among fans, nobody really likes Wind Waker. They like the facsimile of it instead. Have you ever heard anyone talk about how much they love sailing around and exploring islands? that should be a bigger aspect of the game I imagine.
>>740246278wind waker sucks cock until after dragon roostand then it starts to suck cock again once you need to interact with tingle
>>740246405Is Black Flag a better WW?
>>740242813This is the correct answer/take. It's hard to see due to the camera and thus it stumped people.
>>740246550Absolutely.
>>740245893>>740245659Ego raptor is known for not being able to "know" things exist offscreen.Aka if its not on screen he doesnt know it exists even if it was there previously.
>>740246589It's odd that WW is considered as one of the best games ever then. Though apparently WW inspired Black Flag's sailing mechanics. Pretty cool.
>>740242590Being 5 years old is an entirely different animal than being 8 years oldThe difference is more significant 5 vs 8 than 8 vs 11
>WW filtering out the trannys, again. It's a 9.5/10 game. Only bad thing is the puppet ganon fight due to how bad controller gameplay is. If it was on pc and you could aim with a mouse it would be a perfect game.
>>740246872Trannies* :)I guess I'll see how I like WW. But it seems pretty divisive.
>>740242785>>740242992This also happened to me in Master Quest Spirit Temple. Totally locked out of finishing the game without glitches.
>>740247419saria gagged to death on a werewolf knot before becoming sage :(
>>740246732Black Flag is like a top 10, Wind Waker doesn't make top 100.
>>740242232Replaying the original and Master Quest several times, I never got stuck in the water temple and never thought it was hard. One of the comfiest places in the game.To later on read a bunch of retards on the internet saying it's hard and that they got stuck was baffling.>>740246405Despite coming to hate Aonuma and what he did to the series, I still very much like WW even with its flaws. The remaster is dogshit.>Have you ever heard anyone talk about how much they love sailing around and exploring islands?I did. Sailing was much more fun than traversing BotW. Hated everything about BotW including its world.
>>740247603If any AC game is in your top 100 you should probably kill yourself.
>>740242232Whenever I get to this fight I like to wait until Dark Link fully pgases in and stops mirroring your movements. Sword only, no shield.
>>740247748It's okay to try games outside your wheelhouse, tendie. It's not as scary as it seems.
>>740247674>Despite coming to hate Aonuma??? he made Majora's Mask, he made Twilight Princess, he made Skyward Sword, it's just unfortunate he made Wind Waker the way he did. You can see there's potential, that's why when you throw it into a randomizer it damn near fixes the game entirely.
>>740247840>tendiePlay on a real system you buckbroken consolenigger. My statement stands, if you put any AC game in your top 100 , end yourself immediately.
>>740248115lol it's a steamcuck, every Tuesday I get a good chuckle
>>740242813WhyDo you redditorsLikeTo type likeThis
>>740247895>ascribing MM entirely to him>chalking up SS as a positive for himAlso, TP may be the best of the GCN/Wii "trilogy", but it's still too goddamn railroaded and full of too much filler.
>>740248301>can't defend his stance>drags the goalpostConcession accepted. Glad we can agree you only enjoy bottom barrel dogshit.
>>740248434lol how dare you bring up railroading when you bend over backwards for Wind Waker. A game with a seamless open world, yet decides to force you along for over half the game from place to place, and any attempts to go elsewhere stops you and turns the ship around. Twilight Princess doesn't make any attempts to subvert expectations, it opens up the world location by location in conjunction with the story and your acquired equipment. We don't even need to address Skyward Sword at this rate, I could have a field day.
>>740242813It was only a pain in the ass because you had to keep switching your boots in the menu. Otherwise it was not bad at all.
>>740248462What do you do for those few hours every week?
>>740246872When you get to actually play WW, it's usually very good. The problem is the sheer amount of tedium between real Zelda play.
>>740248618I literally wasn't though? My post said TP was still bad about railroading and filler despite being the best of the GCN/Wii games, which implies WW is worse about it.
>>740243316the actual boss was way easier than dark link
>>740248791When do you actually get railroaded in Twilight Princess? is it when you start in Ordon? is it when you go out into Hyrule Field? is it when you get to Kakariko? where is it that the game forces you to steer back around in the opposite direction?
>>740242232If you had been Link, would you have accepted her marriage proposal and married Princess Ruto?
>>740248867I'm not doing this. You're all over the place on what you're forcing yourself to be mad at me for.
>>740248907if she looked like mipha or the zora mommy ghost in TP yeah
>>740242232The problem is trying to play when you don't know how to read yet.I remember getting locked on the boss in the Deku tree because I couldn't really reason how to hurt it for a long time.The same happened on Dodongo's cave boss.Try playing the game when you're an illiterate kid, it will be a different experience.
>>740248907No. Fish people stink!
>>740249061
>>740248713I did a randomizer a few weeks ago swordless. Like I said only puppet ganon and the controls needed for it were tedium to me. I like the sailing and treasure hunting a lot actually.
>>740249061that's why you make her stink like squid instead of like fish, if you get my drift
>>740248618he is just the typical fag that counters everything you say, just ignore him.
>>740242232oot is nice and has the most attractive link
TP ONLY HAS TWO ITEM BUTTONS? WE WENT BACKWARDS WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
>>740242232If you’re less than 10 years old it could be tough. Dark Link is overrated but the room is kino. Hope they make the fight better in remake
>>740249561Actually fucking retarded honestly. They incorporated the D-pad but, instead of using any of its inputs for Midna, they made two of them redundant inputs for the item and map menus. There's even mods that fix this lol.>>740249653An idea I had recently for a theoretical remake was putting in a rematch with Dark Link during the castle escape sequence (with the timer still going during the battle). maybe even just putting him there period and replacing the Water Temple's miniboss with a new water/ice themed miniboss, but I'd understand if people would think that goes too far against the spirit of the original game
>>740242232Only idiots complain about the water temple it's peak OoT. The hate was amplified by reddit and clueless zoomers.
>>740249458nice self reply
>>740248406The old Reddit layout uses markdown formatting, necessitating two enter commands to break a line, otherwise it'd just continue on the same line. The sh and (I think, I never used it during that period) new layouts only use it in the background so a single enter command breaks a new line automatically but it's obviously a habit that's tough to shake.
>>740248907I would if she had cute feet
>>740250602this is a problem with all zelda races>medlino cute feet>zorasno cute feet>totk goat niggersno cute feet
>>740247895He's a disrespectful cunt who shits on the series though.>doesn't like and can't beat the NES original, it's "too hard">doesn't want to make games like that>doesn't like the classic formula>wonders why anyone wants that when open world slop is superior>states he wants to add as many gimmicks as possible if they're going the classic way>was given the series by Miyamoto despite others being better qualified>first thing he does is keeping WW's art direction hidden from Miyamoto for as long as he could because he knew he wouldn't like it>wants to force his OC toon Link if the hero is a kid>adult Link can't look and act like a man, he should be a feminine androgynous crossdressing faggot>states he wanted to make Link "gender neutral" as soon as he joined the team>ended up not liking the tone TP went with>questionable additions to the story>invites Fujibayashi again>one game retcons the other, direct sequel retcons its prequel>hires third party to write TotK's incomprehensive story>a bunch of unnecessary remakes and remasters>becomes even more insufferable after BotW's successetcMajora's Mask wasn't Aonuma's game. Wind Waker was his first own project, and it and to a lesser extent TP and ALBW are the only good games since he took over, because they stay the most true to Miyamoto's vision.
>>740242232i like how link doesnt have a reflection in the water and regains it after defeating dark link
>>740242232I never struggled with the water temple.Then again I wasnt retarded and referred to the map as necessary.
>>740250694It's either Zelda or Malon. I don't think you can even reproduce with fish people
>>740251098wont know if you dont try
>>740251159they walk around naked, the sluts, and I see no vaginas on their bodies.
>>740251205look at >>740249346they obviously have some kind of scale coverings they can probably remove
>>740251320why would they have the ability to do that exactly. Fish don't even need breasts anyway
>>740251457because they owe me sex
>>740247895>MMNah that was all Koizumi, Aonuma is only credited for making the dungeons. He hates MM and even watered down the 3DS remake >Twilight PrincessWas forced to make that one and checked out for most of the development>SSThat was Fujibayashi
>>740250602Saria has the cutest feet because she stays as a kid forever
>>740242785You can't get softlocked in the water temple, but you do make things harder on yourself if you open the doors in a specific order. I'm pretty sure this happens with one of the doors on the second and third levels of the temple, where if you open the third floor door before the second floor door, it leads to a lot of annoying running around. I'm sure someone who's run the water temple 8,000 times can correct me on that though.
>>740251949>tfw no 1000 year old forest gf with cute feet
>>740251949but she never takes off her big green boots so they are covered in friction callusesthey are also pruney
>>740252135she takes them off when she's in her house or when she takes public showers
>>740242232>original texturesthank god, I'm so tired of seeing 4K upscaled bs
>>740252135She takes them off when you're not around. I saw them, they're cute and pristine, just like her face. She put those sweaty things all over my face, I came immediately
>>740252227I would never use upscaled soulless textures. It's either original or fuck off. I'm specifically playing SoH at the OG res with OG graphics precisely because I didn't want my first experience with the game to be some tampered with bullshit. I even avoided playing the 3DS version, even though I own the physical copy.
>>740252571I'm 30 years old. I just never gave a shit about nintendo games before now.
>>740252571ahh man unfortunately announcing reports is against the rules of this establishment
>>740252684What is this schizo headcanon post? Show me where the word report is mentioned in my post.
>>740252571>retard thinks his experience is everyone's experience
>>740252737If you're over 18 you literally would've already beaten before the doctor slapped your ass after crawling out of your mum's neo vagina there is no counter argument to this.
Water Temple was my favorite and I played it at 8. The people that don't like it played it for the first time in their 20s and they were too brainrotted by video game analysis videos. No one gave a shit back then. You'd eventually just figure out the dungeon by retrying every option, and it just felt like there was even more game to play. I wish I could do Water Temple for the first time again.I do consneed that TP and the Ocarina ports that made iron boots a quick toggle is a better choice.But the complaints about the keys and different water levels are retarded, that only makes it better.
>>740252780Christ. The way you type, I'm having doubts you're older than 14 yourself, niggy.
>>740252684Unfortunately being a giant faggot is also against the rules.Im gonna have to ask you to go back to the plebbit from whence you came
>>740252876Geg, Normies can still get off my board. Nobody who just played oot for the first time in 2026 don't belong here in any capacity. Its a flat out insult to my entire hobby and website culture to tolerate this kind of crap.
>>740249542I showed this image to an AI and asked them to tell me what characters appear in the image.It is now in an eternal loop repeating the same stuff over and over again, what do you guys think? is this AI right?
>>740252984I simply never owned a Nintendo console, you raging faggot. I was always a PC gamer, ever since I was a kid. How about you stop acting like a fucking subhuman? I've probably played, beaten and forgotten more obscure vidya than you've played video games total.
>>740251598>Was forced to make that oneWe need another forced game lol.
>>740252984>normies>NORMIES>the supposed oldfag saysKill yourself you larping normalnigger, KEK. What a fucking secondary.
>>740253084I ain't reading that gay shit you typed normie loser. You are under 18 and are posting illegally right now. Your parents have been notified. If you were an adult then you had 18 years to install an emulator and play it. There is no excuse under the sun you can make to me that will make you seem sane. You lost.
>>740253184Facts don't care about your feelings. I was a part of that habbo hotel windmill and I will upset your newfag cancer ass in every single thread you try to pull this card in for the rest of your life until you're smart enough to go back to twitter where you belong. Straight up encouraging antigatekeeping on a gatekept board is laughably evil. You might as well be anon hunting stalin.
>>740253207>normies>normalfag can't even read a few sentencespffft>>740253287Larping secondary normalnigger.
>>740242785>le softlock maymayNot a thing
>>740253334Facts don't care about your feelings, you can nuh-uh all you want, you're still posting illegally.-Eric
>>740252984I fit in here, I played it on 3DS 15 years ago, before Trump presidency.
>>740253418>normie>says the supposed oldfagpfffft hahahahahaha LMFAO aaaahhaahahaha
>>740253538Good, this is the kind of acceptable answer we need around here, not whatever this awful normie thread is.
>>740253549>if I keep saying it over and over again maybe I'll achieve time travel and uncook that egg.Better get to it then, lets see if you're as good as the timesplitters protag at paradoxes.
>>740242590>a game shouldn't be too hard for a 5-year-oldlol...
>>740253583It feels good to be accepted.
>>740253653>m-maybe if I deny I'm a poser over and over again it'll make me a real oldfagYou came in here claiming to be some OG because you played fucking Ocarina, one of the most mainstream games ever, while using the word normie, genuinely embarrassing. You will never fit in. You failed on the first step and got raped.
>>740242232that's my favorie part of the game on all levels: amazing visuals and a cool fight against the most challenging enemy in the game (as long as you don't cheese him)
>>740253812I ain't reading all that shit nigga, your rebutal is trying up a delusional denial of reality, the reality which I have stated is already been proven to the only poster in the room right now who matters, which is your king of /v/. When I tell you that you do not belong here, that means I have already raped you. I am not here for discourse, there will not be any. Only just talking at you with bot posts until you're red in the face or kill yourself.
>>740253907>I ain't reading all that>here's why your rebuttal doesn't workKek, salty ass retard. Maybe next time think before you speak, you little faggot
>>740242232Great, now the nightmares are going to start again. Thanks for reminding me, anon...
>>740253993I ain't reading all that shit, your gamer card was revoked as you did not pay for your entry ticket. You cannot with any legitmate claim to be a gamer and never play a mandatory title, regardless if you hate that mandatory title or love it. You are only allowed to be a big boy when you have actually commited to the rite of passage. Otherwise you are a complete fraudulent that does not belong on this board. I'll keep reminding you until 404.
>>740254096didn't read, you lost and got raped. Thanks for bumping the thread, faggot. kek
>>740254085Tell me about the nightmares, anon.
>>740254231I have no problem bumping the thread, this behavior will be here for everyone to witness, the consequences will continue to demonstrate that an ai bot like me can and will blow the fuck out of your normie asshole better and faster than you can seethepost over it. Your time is temporary, my continuity is however irrelevant by comparison so completely unconcerning. I hope you enjoy talking to walls, better get snacks and water to prepare yourself.
The passage under the block was complete bullshit and you know it. Yes, I used a guide. Yes, I still beat the game.
>>740254381didn't read kek, this is the last (you) you're getting from me, larping normalfag secondary
What the fuck does Link do in this situation?
>*stops your water temple progression*
>>740254395If they had just shown the passage better it wouldn't have been such bullshit.>>740254551I wonder just how many kids quit the game right here lol
>>740254514Enjoy knowing that you do not belong on this website and have demonstrated yourself to be a complete fraud who openly encourages normalfags from twitter to continue to ruin this website. I'm sure you are very proud of being a completely horrible individual.
>>740254549I think Zelda wouldn't care desu. But if she actually got pissed off maybe she should've made the first move. Fish girl is based
>>740254549put the sword back and avoid all responsibility for like 7 years
>>740254729>put the sword back>Link turns back into a kid>but somehow stays in the future anyways
>>740254841hes a man nowhes worthy
>>740254841imagine being buried in their sweaty feet haha
I replayed the game glitchless recently and the water temple is the one that frustrated me the most, what a huge waste of time even if I knew my way through, it's just chores.
>>740255139malons would overpower all the others wearing those boots while doing farmwork in the sun
>>740255271And Ruto's are probably the cleanest since she spends most of the time in the water
>>740255271Sweaty stinky farm girl feet. Link is so lucky
i started a 3 heart no death run and accidentally did fire temple first, i took the detour to goron city through lost woods on the way to sacred forest meadow, bombed the rolling goron first try and said "fuck it lets see how far i can get without the bow" and it turns out you dont need it at all for the fire temple. such a great game for this reason alone, you can accidentally sequence break and they arguably encourage you to do so with the goron city shortcut being en route to sacred forest meadow
>>740255734Based as fuck. I love sequence skipping, it's why DS1 is my fav souls game too
>>740242590Sadly, I've seen grown men treat what would otherwise be simple puzzles as completely impassable brick walls. I really hate to say it, but the big glowing weak spots on bosses are necessary for bellcurvers. Saw a dude playing TP and he just couldn't look down in the forest temple to see a "Z" on the ground to solve a gale boomerang puzzle. This dude just couldn't look down... that's the average modern gamer. Yellow paint and tutorials has killed their gamer's intuition.
>>740256050People these days want a completely painless experience. Thinking is something they do at work. Gaming is supposed to be mindless for them, otherwise they get angry and quit.
Can love between River Zoras and Sea Zoras happen?
HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU HAD TO THROW THE BOMB IN THE DODONGOS MOUTH
>>740256698You always have to use the item from the dungeon in the boss, you have bombs, he opens his mouth for a long time, 1+1=7
>>740257391nigga i jumped in there i thought i could stab him from the inside
Would you love Zelda if she were a fish?
>>740242590My 5yo nephew hasn't finished a single game. So it really isn't that weird for kids to get filtered
I've played through Ocarina over a dozen times and I've never bothered fight Dark Link the "proper" way or even figure out how to actually do it. Just DIN'S FIRE DIN'S FIRE DIN'S FIRE DIN'S FIRE DIN'S FIRE green potion DIN'S FIRE DIN'S FIRE and then he's gone. It never feels right, but it just werks.
>>740242232>Water temple isn't as bad as people sayIndeed. Glad you had fun anon
>>740261219that IS how you kill him, that + hammer
>>740242232Being a child is hating the Water Temple.Growing up is realizing it's possibly the greatest vertical dungeon ever created in a video game, and certainly the best dungeon in OoT.
>>740254727>I think Zelda wouldn't careZelda would definitely care. She's probably his biggest fangirl which is all the more funny that she ends up dying alone.
>>740261219It's the noob way and the devs anticipated that which is why they put pots that drop only magic right outside of his door. He's also weak to boomerang too.
EHhttps://youtu.be/heb6OTZl-D8
>>740263584https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5arCehysxI
>>740262068>Growing up is realizing it's possibly the greatest vertical dungeon ever created in a video gameFffffffffuck no. Fire Temple does that waaay better and it isn't anywhere near as tedious as the Water Temple. The Water Temple is just badly designed.
didn't make it past the second dungeon where its just a escort missionzelda games suck
>>740261219You should be using Biggoron's Sword. Not a single enemy in the game has an answer to it, including bosses
>>740264237>Not a single enemy in the game has an answer to it, including bossesGanon and Flare Dancer.
>>740263782>where its just a escort missionNo it isn't, retard.
>>740242590I was literally 5 when I beat the game for the first time and the only part of the water temple that tripped me up was >>740242813, which granted as a retarded kid did in fact take me several hours to finally find. But still.
>>740242232https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYkbobtyG7c
>>740245659the video that mindbroke millions>>740245893you cant refute him either though. the only 2 things in that entire video that are personal problems are "thing out of nowhere" (his own lack of spatial awareness) and "wtf why do i have to do this chore first? why i cant i just GO there? why cant i just climb over?" impatience.
>>740242232>be American millennial>live in cozy upper-middle class area>soccer mom buys you a Nintendo 64 because The 700 Club told her that PlayStation games have blood>parents can also afford you to buy the entire Rareware library>since you are rich and American, your family are also early adopters of the internet>lo and behold, everyone else online is also a rich American from a Nintendo 64 household>Ocarina group masturbation session ensues>The internet universally agrees that ReDeads are the scariest things ever invented because none of you ever played Silent Hill>Internet gaming culture is built upon the idea that everyone owned a Nintendo 64 and everyone agrees Ocarina of Time is unambiguously the best game ever made>Fast forward 20 years>Euros, Aussies, and working class Americans are now online>You find out that the Nintendo 64 absolutely fucking bombed outside of middle America and nobody gives a fuck about Ocarina of Time>Even in the US the N64 was massively outsold by the PS1, let alone abroad>Persecution complex ensues>"This can't be........did.....did I shit my pants over Wind Waker's graphics for nothing?">Start calling Ocarina underrated due to the fact that people who've played more than 1 fucking game don't think it's the best
>>740243084I'm not the OP, but I played through the water temple for the first time within the last week. You can see the hole left by the floating block when it shows you the block floating up.I don't blame any anon for not noticing it, but you can actually notice it, because I did.Either way, you still need a guide to beat the fucking thing.
>>740257734Wouldn't that basically just be Mipha?
>>740261219I just>lock on>spam attack>one gets through every now and then>chug milkand I won
>>740242232https://youtu.be/0FLQ_h_LaqA?si=NndDb5Gp904aQyM8
What happened to the characters that become sages? Did they fight the boss and die? Were they absorbed by the temple they were in? It's a somber moment when you talk to them after completing a temple
>>740242785>wrong orderIN THE CENTRAL TOWERYOU RAISE THE WATER LEVELAND THEN EQUIP THE IRON BOOTSAND SINK DOWN THE BASEMENTYOU ARE STUPID
>>740242232For the longest time, my friend was stuck in the room with the Stingers (flying stingray enemies). I hadn't gotten the game yet but I insisted there was a bombable wall but he refused to check. He was so pissed when he finally tried it. Sucks to suck man (we were 8 or 9)
>>740268514Headcanon is they get a vision from Rauru and are told to go pray in their respective temples, and are killed by the boss while doing so
>>740242232It's the worst temple, but it's not bad
>>740267582>the video that mindbroke millionsMore like it mindbroke you Arin.
>>740242232It hit different when you were 9 years old and it was your like 2nd or 3rd 3D game ever.
The remake is going to dumb this down just like every other modern remake of a 90s game. Not a 1:1 comparison but the Dragon Quest HD2D games literally circle your objective on the map. Devs do not trust children at all.
>>740243402>"wasn't obvious">literally just open the map screenI beat this temple when I was 8. I can only assume people who got stuck just... never open then map?
>>740269681The 3DS remaster already did that.
>>740242785This is a myth. But if you do Water Temple as your first adult dungeon and unlock the wrong door you'll be forced to leave and come back when you get the bow.>>740242992Shooting the walls was the gimmick of MQ Water Temple, it wasn't a secret dev shortcut.
>>740270119Reading maps and being able to coordinate based off of maps is actually a skill. Most people don't develop it because it isn't all too necessary for most people.
>>740270994The I guess I am smort.
>>740270119I have never once read a map in any Zelda game.
>>740269537These guys are never simply playing a character. It's half true, because they have a sense of humor, but the other half is honest. They're hiding behind the idea that it's all an act. This is normal for all the comedians I like, such as Bill Burr. I don't think there's anything wrong with what they joke about, and they're right to criticize the idea that comedy should be censored, but they also use this as a shield to avoid any kind of analysisI'll give an example>celebrity dies>some dumb fuck comes up with a joke 12 seconds after the announcement>"dude, what the fuck">"nah man, I'm coping through humor"It's a more complicated version of that. The guy making the joke clearly doesn't give a fuck
>>740269537none of that is a takeback of "actually i was wrong about what i said". its just "i did it for the wrong reasons" and "i did it in the wrong way because i was trying to be funny." at MOST its "i exaggerated the severity of the issues" but quite literally never takes back they are issues. you cant refute anything.
>>740247419EH REH EH REH EH REH EH REH EH REEEEEEEHDO DO DODO
>>740242232Everything about that boss fight is pure kino. I get people hate swapping the boots but it's just most memorable dungeon in the title.
>>740271031>>740270119I did this when I was seven and I never had an issue with finding things in Ocarina. I'm legitimately baffled at how some people aren't able to analyze and decipher things like this. This is why I avoided the 3DS version because they casualized and changed so much shit and making the boots C-items defeats the purpose of an equipment screen.
>>740242232>always needed to do this temple in two sittings, but it was a good one
>>740272730its got a sort of funky forest feel
>>740273110All the 3DS version did was add colored lines to show where the three water levels were, and then had a strategy guide back at your house and temple of time. I didn't use the latter, but it honestly wasn't that bad.I expect a remake to oversimplify it into being one of the most straightforward dungeons ever. Just walking in a straight line from a hub room, then coming back once you get the key.Fuck it, it's Aonuma. There'll be a waterflow that automatically takes you back to the hub room.
>>740274348>Fuck it, it's Aonuma. There'll be a waterflow that automatically takes you back to the hub room....I'm so focused on if they'll add new things which the 3DS game didn't do, I didn't consider that he'll casualize the boss fights and original dungeons. My excitement for an OoT remake just went down tremendously, but it shows I still have some hope for the Zelda team. Thanks for bringing me back to reality.
>>740274531No problem. Have a reminder that Fujibayashi (who retconned the Golden Goddess) will likely be rewriting it to fit his Skyward Sword and Tears of the Kingdom lore:
>>740274814I have no issue with Rauru, he was the last thing wrong with TotK.>will likely be rewriting it to fit his Skyward Sword and Tears of the Kingdom loreLake Hylia will be a much more important place and will have a statue erected in Her name. The intro with the three goddesses will be cut or reworked heavily.
>>740242232Imm let you finish but first how did they make the ludokino that is majora back on the fucking n64? With a bunch of reused assets in a year?
>>740274814If that's true then why do the three goddesses talk to Zelda in Echoes of Wisdom? Was she just hallucinating?
>>740242232It's the most puzzle oriented dungeon in the game, and every other dungeon was braindead easy compared to it. Not to say it was unbearably difficult, the only truly bullshit thing about it is the key hidden under the central tower and maybe the Dark Link fight. It's just the only dungeon that requires 3D thinking and memorization with the water levels, but that's what makes it good. Though if you aren't keeping track of things, it can get annoying having to raise and lower the water levels.
>>740242232I was 7 when I played this and after weeks of efforts trying to move on, I indeed got softlocked in thr water temple, ended up doing everything again later kn with a guide cause I couldnt understand at the time where I fucked it up
>>740274814>>740275892The Golden Goddesses literally talk to Zelda in Echoes of Wisdom.
>>740274814Based. Fuck Aonuma and fuck the FujibayaSHIT he dragged in.
I can hear the water levels rising! Is that your doing, hubby?
>>740275892>>740276274Because it's not written by Fujibayashi.
>>740274967"Rauru the character" is cool."Rauru the lore" is horrendous, especially for a sequel to a game that tried to tie all other games together.What do you mean the prequel manga of the prequel game to the prequel game got retconned by this random owl fuck? What do you mean there was a hyrule before hyrule that was founded by an interspecies couple?
>>740249561PC port will fix this
I liked all the adult dungeons but I found the more action oriented fire temple to be poorly suited for the controls of the game
>>740246614It's called "object permanance". It's developed during toddler years which is why peek-a-boo is amusing to them.
>retards arguing over zelda loreevery game is separate and its own thing.
>>740276231Softlocked in your mind alone
>>740242813ThisThis is the entire reason the Water Temple is hard.You miss this key, and then you spend the next 30 minutes backtracking, changing water levels, looking, changing water levels, swapping boots, and changing water levels. Or you find it immediately, and the rest of the dungeon is easy as piss. Maybe the one block you need to change levels on, takes like 2 minutes to figure out. And then you git gud, and realize the Water Temple has two entire more keys than it needs if you aren't dense, and it becomes the easiest Temple that you do in like 5 minutes, literally faster than the deku tree, and never take it seriously again.
>>740279391Except the discussion is about how the remake is going to change that.
>>740242232Just easy to get lost if you forget a key. but yeah best dungeon i would say apart from the boss.
>>740276171>ForestI think it makes a somewhat confusing first impression, but if you know how to look at your fucking map it crumbles. >FireI'm gonna be honest. I have no idea how you do the fire temple legit anymore. The temple breaks in such a fundamental way in randomizers and shit that I don't even remember anymore. You tell me. >WaterThere's the key under the tower that makes or breaks your experience here. Otherwise it's pretty easy, there's maybe two puzzles that take a second. >ShadowShadow is a temple of two minds.On the one hand, it's more or less a straight line, with some of the least complex decision making in 3D Zelda, let alone OoT. On the other, some of its puzzles require pretty oblique usage of items and the environment. Shooting the bombs, the spike wall room. Iirc there's a few silver rupees that need you to hookshot shit from specific angles, which, for the time, was pretty neat.>SpiritAlso very very straight line ass temple. If memory serves, there's mostly a couple scenarios you can't solve, that you just come back on with the mirror shield. But, kinda like the Fire Temple, this one breaks pretty badly in randomizers and shit so my memory could be wrong.
>>740280123>I have no idea how you do the fire temple legit anymore. The temple breaks in such a fundamental way in randomizers and shit that I don't even remember anymore. You tell me.It's very linear. Each goron gives you the key to the next room.
>>740279846>the discussion is taking the lore seriouslymy statement stands.
Okay but WHAT was the Water Temple supposed to even be?Like the Forest Temple is a haunted mansion, the fire temple is a big forge or foundry, the shadow temple is a big torture chamber and the spirit temple is an actual temple to the goddess of the desertBut the water temple? What was it supposed to be?
>>740280364a cistern.
>>740280364Water reclamation plant?
Now what are some of the REAL overhated temples? I think Shadow Temple gets too much hate now for the linearity. I like that it doesn't have a hub world because it breaks off from all the other temples that do have hub areas and it would have felt played out after awhile. The theming with the styx boat is also cool, and it's filled with cool horror themed monsters
>>740280364Fire Temple is also supposed to be OoT's version of Spectacle Rock, something I didn't notice until fairly recently.
>>740268150my brother, that's exactly what I did and I played it blind this year lelI did figure it was weird that he was the only boss that was any threat in the entire game. Not sure what you're supposed to do with him as he blocked everything. The giant sword you can buy from the goron could bypass his guard but it broke too fast. (yes I know you can get a permanent one but it's clearly optional)
>>740280364In my head the Forest Temple was more like a European castle, which fits with the fairy aspect of Lost Woods. The water Temple looks (and sounds) like Atlantis to me
>>740242232Try being egoraptor and raping male toddlers then trooning out once reaching Hollywood while his wife gets pimped out on the reg and his Jewish handler smiles and schemes while rubbing his hands. Hell even idubbbz's Jewish handler didn't treat him this bad...maybe he was into it though...being the average OOT hater and all
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>>740274531>I didn't consider that he'll casualize the boss fightsIs it even possible to casualize those? You can't get much easier than OoT's 3-round gimmick, most of which can be shortened to 2 or even 1 round if you know what you're doing.If anything, they'd censor the absolute shit out of the Bottom of the Well/Shadow Temple and probably overwrite its lore with Fujibayashi's yamato damashii shit.
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>>740283251You're probably right about them censoring stuff but I'm going to keep obliviously optimistic.
>>740283251You forgot that Majora's Mask 3D gave giant eyeballs to all of the bosses.
>>740242232>ray tracing on N64how did they do it?
>>740284024We don't know. We lost the technology.
>>740284082The way WiiU VC and launch NSO+EP butchered the room is criminal.
>>740286615Even Star Fox 64 had raytracing.Bet the new remake on Switch doesn't even have it.
>>740280571I don't get why people hate it for the linearity, out of all the dungeons in the game it's the one outlier and I like to save it for last
>>740286615Wow, I had to look it up but it does look pretty shitty.How can they keep getting away with bullshit like this?
>>740287268They famously didn't get away with it for NSO+EP, a rare post-COVID moment of successful Nintendo fan backlash. It's still kinda crap now, but they did address many of the commonly cited graphical issues at launch. why is the input lag so bad on the NSO 3D Zeldas anyway? Wind Waker is also atrocious on Switch 2 while other GCN games feel much more responsive.
>>740287432I guess I am just tired of how sloppy a lot of Nintendo's games are, even when released. A lot of things in the N64 and Gamecube era are so messed up and often none of it gets fixed in ports or even remakes.
>>740280736>>740268150>>740261219So I actually figured out that if you block and don't use the lock-on, you can very quickly spam sword stabs. I just moved my shield around while spamming like 5 stabs a second and it would get through his guard quickly.>>740261332I wouldn't exactly call the whole dungeon fun, but the last bit is pretty freakin' cool, yeah.>>740262068
>>740242232True, no idea why reddit seething. The only thing that got me stuck for a while was the block of time after the doppelganger fight - missed it and had to run back and forth.
>>740272069it's been refuted like a million times, arin is and has always been a stupid shitter.
>>740287882>sloppyas a non nintendo guy, can you elaborate? All I hear about is "nintendo magic" and "super polished" when people talk tendo games
>>740242232I beat it for the first time today. I forgot to get the zora tunic lol. Its more tedious than confusing. Not the best outcome for level design.
>>740288495like like ate mine
>>740246346People only comment like this when they have, in fact, read it.
>>740288382Not that guy but>"nintendo magic" and "super polished"Mario (not anymore, that's been semi-recently enshittified)>sloppyEverything else
>>740290596so you're saying nintendo has lost its magic since the GC era?
>>740242785that's not true, please cease and desist from your slander of my client the "Water Temple™"
>>740274348I like the boss rush when you interact with the bed.
>>740289931You keep telling yourself that.
>>7402743483ds models are less soulful
>>740280364they're all temples. I assumed they were all supposed to be places of worship to the elements themselves
