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I think big spanning narratives should just be agnostic that would recognize many faiths and their bickering and fights.

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Who the fuck is going to be sensitive from a fictitious depiction of religion in a videogame of all things?

Demons are ontologically evil and should be shown no quarter. They use words as nothing more than tools to manipulate people and should be wiped off from all existence.

Top tier is precisely this: gnosticism right down to the details, but then dressed up with a VERY thin veneer of modern tropes and costumes.

Alternatively you just play it straight: god is good, church is good and your allies, demons are bad and must be killed, and you go and do that. Secular authority then rewards you with a hot gf/wife and material wealth, and everyone in the society loves you.

Old gods: Nobody ever said they're good they're just flawed individuals corrupt with power

New gods: "Well in this book that he wrote he says he's good there fore he's good"
Retarded, the jews know their god isn't "Good" he's just an abusive father figure, Christians and muslims are beyond retarded, completely naive.

>>740244560
People who believe fiction is real. I think you know where this is going

>>740244685
FrieReddit didn't invent demons you larping faggot

not vidya

>>740244685
So do gods, why do you think they write bibles instead of just coming down and fixing shit.
>every single time in the bible god tried to "fix shit" he just committed genocide

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>>740244719

>game is based on realworld lore
>complains it's unoriginal
What, then go play some dumb shit like mass effect or assassins creed where god is aliens.
I personally hate when games involve gods/angels (not demons they're fine) because I want believable shit in my dragon and magic game.

>>740244685
Demon literally just means alien. It has no bearing on morality. But pop culture has applied the negative connotation to it thanks to kike religions. Doesn't mean you should trust demons, you should trust them less than strange humans

>>740244937
The problem is whoever translated or came up with the old testament paints the biblical deity to be akin to an amoral sociopath. Which either comes down to human folly or just someone doing it as a joke. It would be like millions of people advocating for zeus when he turned into animals and fucked underage women.

>>740245161
Considering the multi-generational torture he devised for the price of one apple infraction amoral (he isn't bound to his own commandments so I don't know why a god would have any morality in the first place) god is an understatement. Evil god is more accurate.

>>740244685
Yeah but that's just, like, your opinion man.

>>740245161
the people who wrote these books had simply a completely alien understanding of morality compared to our modern one

>>740244246
At least SMT is trying to say something with its order vs chaos dichotomy while most are just repeating tropes while feeling edgey despite the ground being more well treaded then John Milton's grave.

>>740244736
You speak like a 12 year old boy

Sensitive vaginas will always be pissed off. just b urself OP

>>740245452
Like modern jews

>Religious organization is corrupt, but also their god that they legitimately thought was good is actually going to eat everyone when he arrives in the mortal world
>Not by sucking up their souls or something, literally just wants to much on people with a knife and fork

>god says god is good
>people believe it
>check bible
>page after page of god-created atrocities
I just want a god that's pure chaos like abrahamic god, forces entire nations to speak different languages just to bring them to ruin. Floods entire fields with blood just to watch the populace starve and bash eachother's brains in. I want the divine LAW of humans to be good, and the machinations of the spirit realm to be evil.

>>740244246
In-game religions with both good and evil gods. 4chan discussion about religion in vidya is inevitably shit, not sure what you expected.

>>740244836
No shit, and it didn’t invent the concept of them being lying manipulators either you fucking tard

>>740245146
>Demon literally just means alien
It doesn’t, you faggots have been trying to push this to try and make them sympathetic. Which will never work because no one but you fags will ever actually feel any connection to them.
>But pop culture has applied the negative connotation to it thanks to kike religions
Demons or the concept exist in other religions.

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>>740244560
Have you been to this board recently? Everyone gets more offended than soccer moms, I don't care if it's "ironic"

Just make it like the real world. The existence and nature of gods is ambiguous, the religions are different and some of their tenets are good and some are bad and some interpret them liberally and others dogmatically.

I don't like games whose mythology is too clear cut. Metaphysics are something ultimately incomprehensible, they should be treated as such. Gods shouldn't be something you eber directly encounter or communicate with.

>>740244685
Yes, I agree!
I also view all white People as demons. :)

>>740247025
Pretty much no games give deities a metaphysical subtext because having a metaphysics different from our reality would make the story too disorienting, so your complaint is a moot point.

>>740247128
I know kike

>>740244246
The god is a non-sentient entity, a concept.
It just runs a server that replies to you if you send it the proper requests.
Which is why even corrupt priests would be able to cast spells and miracles: because the god server just cares if your request is valid or not.
Which is why spells sound weird: because they are encrypted requests.

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>>740245297
Ahem, that was the literal forbidden fruit of shit-you-don't-get-to-know-about not just some apple, and God being God he put it there as a shit test his creations would inevitably fail so he could curse the bloodline of our entire species.

Trust the plan.

>>740244246
Most games that do churchbad still have the demons be worse

>>740246627
Go look up the origin of the word demon you stupid golem

>>740244685
>and should be wiped off from all existence
why didn't God do that already

>>740245161
No, the actual problem is that people try to view God with human morality. To God, death is like a slap on the wrist or like sending a kid to the timeout corner. It's only morally wrong for humans to kill each other because humans are of equal status in God's eyes.
And for anyone who's going to complain like
>b-b-but muh death and suffering and why would a god make these things if they're bad and evil and stuff
Because there would be literally no motivation for God's creations to do anything, ever, if there weren't goals to fight for and everything were just a bunch of happy sunshine and rainbows all the time. And without God, the universe wouldn't exist and there would just be a bunch of meaningless incomprehensible noise with no rhyme or reason to it.
>inb4 heaven
None of us can know what Heaven will be like before we're there, so when some anon replies like "But heaven is just going to be peace forever", know that God will find a way to make it entertaining, just like God made the entirety of the world's existence entertaining for us.
Not entertaining in a way that's always conventionally happy, but entertaining because we always have something to do instead of nonexisting in a void.

>h-how should I s-show religion in my setting
If you have to ask it's not a real problem.
Either you have a setting with a conrete idea and go for it or you're a sperg upset about hypotheticals and should fuck off into traffic.

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>>740250920
The concept of a god is a human concept, you cannot ask people to suddenly superimpose a reality and worldview foreign to them. To put it into perspective, you only know about god and everything else in your life, including shitposting because other people influenced, told you about it or molded you this way.

>>740244685
based and correct

>>740244246
Show it however you want. People will get mad either way, so do a good church/religion or make everyone comically evil and they have to sacrifice a virgin girl every week.
Churchbad is just the common subversion so everyone already expects the church is le bad and demons are actually cool guys and totally not an allegory for whatever personal politics the devs have. There's plenty of games where the church are just good guys or its demon culture to pillage and destroy.

>>740249485
It comes from the Greek word daimon, kikespawn. Go kvetch elsewhere.

>>740244246
Honestly, i'm fine with the corrupt church angle, things start to twist the moment power and money is involved, chill/nice demons is absolute bullshit.

>>740244246
Christfags are always looking for things to be outraged by, but christfags in the video game playing age bracket are just a loud minority who can be safely ignored.

>>740244246
>demons are le good
Can you make it more obviously Jewish

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>God is somehow evil when might makes right and morality is fake or something

>>740244560
Anti-woke warriors, election tourists, born-again christcucks. They're all incredibly more sensitive than the old sjws and throw a tantrum every time their shit middle eastern slave cult religion is shown in anything but the most positive light possible.

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>>740246108
>I want the divine LAW of humans to be good
You want the Catechism then. Man made moral law.

>>740252775
>Anti-woke warriors
Just desperate to find anything as scathing as SJW.

>>740252303
low key why Frieren was popular. Kill demons.

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>>740253282
Moral law is "manifested" in man, he is not its creator.

>>740253501
Look, they're even offended by the term made for them.

>>740252587
>might makes right
Yes.
>morality is fake
Yes.
>god is evil
Yes.

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>>740254006
>gets laughed at
>u mad

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>>740252775
Look, seethe if you will, but if the Chuds see something gay and retarded, we're going to point it out, like you, for example.

I thought the athiest opinion was they didnt care and left? Why do they have so many thoughts about religion if they dont read theology nor attempt to learn?

>>740251942
>it's all made up
why do you even bother engaging with the subject if this is your stance. one look outside and it's clear reality is a result of conscious design

>>740252186
>using jidf nomenclature
shalom

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>>740254193
>>740254256
>noo I'm not owned I'm not owned!
>FUCKIN WOKE ESSJAYDUBBAYEWS AND JEWS ALWAYS MAKIN FICTION SAY RELIGION BAD THE BIBBLE SEZ
Every trivial little thing offends you tourist twats and you're always crying about it.

>>740244836
Doesn't reddit hate Frieren because they see themselves or jews as the demons and feel called out? Similar to the orcs = blacks phenomenon.

>>740248264
>so he could curse the bloodline of our entire species
he un-cursed us through Jesus Christ. you just have to put your trust in him alone as your way to heaven, not yourself or your deeds like your pic rel suggests to do and that's it

>>740254509
Christians are the reason jews still exist. You let them into Europe and gave them power by allowing them a monopoly on usury, now you've given them their own country that you must protect at all costs.

>>740254401
My fedora has become unbalanced and begun tipping on its own in response to some gay attempt at an astroturfed religious revival to try and codify anti porn laws, it’s once again my irreligious duty to step up and call you all gay retards

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>>740244246
>God is good but hands-off. The church has good and bad eggs, being an ultimately human-run institution and thus prone to corruption and hijacking.
>The church is broadly a force for good run by decent folk, but god himself is actually excessively punitive or fire-and-brimstone, forcing adherents to decide whether to obey god or just his teachings.
>God is an inhuman and incomprehensible existence, and various churches just worship interpretations or aspects of him.
>God is literally the gamedev or player
There's oodles of kino takes abound if you aren't a pussy

>>740255075
>Christians are the reason jews still exist
don't look up the religious affiliation of the countries that kicked them over the last two millenia
>you've given them their own country
that would be hitler himself lmao

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>>740254701
>gets mocked
>u mad
>is mocked further
>goes apeshit
You’re too sensitive

>>740255728
Thats it? The last round of anti porn came from single moms in australia calling credit firms. I get it you want attention but this just makes you look like a hobo jerking off at the park.

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>>740244246
For me the annoying thing is when fictional religions are just christianity wearing a trenchcoat. IE: God and Satan, Angels and Demons
It's a complete lack of creativity. You could do absolutely anything and you just used the dominant religion of your culture. At least copy someone else's religion if you can't come up with anything original.

>>740256383
Do you not notice the wave of anti porn laws creeping across America lol? Or the religious war we find ourself involved in again?

>>740256653
>he thinks America is ruled by Christians
ever heard of pizzagate/epstein? please, lmao

>>740256653
Porn laws in america dont matter because it borders 2 socialist countries. Religious war? Bombing the safe haven of terrorists didnt matter when it happened before it doesnt matter now.

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>>740244560
like a quarter of zoomers have converted to christianity as a reaction to the current times
plus christianity is like 2/3rds brown and more brown people are getting access to the internet and first world luxuries like video games every day.

>>740257132
>pic
define "jew"

>>740256790
I’m an equal opportunity tipper I hate Jews too :)

What, you guys don't like having the same bog standard creation myth every time? Next you'll tell me you want more genres than just third-person over-the-shoulder oscarbait.

>>740257303
you just tried to stick what they're doing to Christians

>>740257295
Is this that "pretending not to understand" I've heard so much about?

>>740245161
>Muh poor innocent canaanites dindu nuffin

>>740257526
It’s both you fucking retard

>>740257575
nope, just a simple question, because I have a feeling the definition you (and by extension author of your pic rel) have vs how the Holy Bible defines it differ dramatically

>>740244560
Chuds always need something to cry about
That's how their cult works

>>740257710
interesting. how?

>>740257132
This is retarded though. Jews who started the Church are an entirely different ideology than the jews who did not. That's why there was a split to begin with.

It's like saying that angels and demons used to be the same but since 1/3rd of angels became demons now all angels are bad?

>>740257601
According to the bible the israelites invaded canaanite land, slaughtered their people, and raped their children.
Their reason? God told them they could.

>>740258067
according to the Bible god gave canaanites 400 years to change their ways of sacrificing children to molech. they didn't so they were destroyed. to try to paint canaanites as innocent victims is... interesting to say the least

>>740258067
You really need to look up what the people of Canaan were like

>>740257798
Christians outside 4chan are unprincipled, I told my Mom about the payment processor drama some months ago and her immediate reaction was
>is this about porn
Not
>payment processors shouldn’t be able to control what you can buy/sell

Seriously you people are so annoying lol

>>740257575
he's got some personal definition of what a jew is to heal the cognitive dissonance caused by hating jews yet worshiping a rabbi
just ignore him or he'll start posting gigantic leftist-tier infographics and copypastas and get the thread nuked

>>740258376
>complaining about mom to strangers
lurk 10 more years before posting

>>740258491
I already replied. your headcanon couldn't be more wrong lmao

>>740258376
The idiots never understand that every freedom you give up will never be given back. And it won't stay limited to things you agree with.
The Patriot Act never went away. It just got bigger.

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>>740257132
Fiction.

>>740258308
But they were victims. Both sides were sacrificing people, the issue was that the Canaanites worshiped their own god rather than the jewish one.

>>740258667
Nooo my based epstein chungus /pol/ screencap was ....le wrong???

>>740252092
Nigger your the one slurping up kike proxy religion dogshit like the good little goylem you are

>>740258667
>black Protestant
>white Protestant

Yo wait a minute Christianity still practices separate but equal? Tell me more

>>740244246
Actual gamers don't give a shit about how religion or religious organizations are portrayed in games.

>>740258785
>pretends to hate kikes
>aligns himself with their anti Christian narrative
>uses their words
you sound confused

>>740258891
They are actually hugely distinct

>>740258025
It's always the same tired shit with you people. Clinging to kikes because you can't get off the teet.

>>740259269
>Bible literally calls out those that pretend to be jews but are not, and are the Synagogue of Satan instead
>still thinks what he knows as kikes are all and the same thing
anon, I...

>>740254060
>Deletes everyone with the opinion he's evil in a lake of fire
Now he's good

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>>740254723

>Curses you through no fault of your own
>You have to do whatever he says and suck up to his son (which is also him) to be un-cursed

>>740259537
>through no fault of your own
re-read Genesis 2 (KJV)

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>>740259616
I didn't realize I was alive 200 thousand years ago.
How many life sentences was this crime? Surely the sentence must be up by now.
Can I declare a mistrial for entrapment?

>>740260080
are you implying you're a dindu? lmao. you've lied at least once in your life, and since God requires sinless perfection (that only Jesus Christ could fulfill) before one can enter his kingdom, it's either through Jesus Christ or not at all

>>740259616

Genesis 2 has nothing to do with with original sin, and only goes over some creation myth. I'll assume you're referring to the snek shenanigans myth from genesis 3 instead.

>Your ancestors do something before you're even born
>In this case as people who were essentially born yesterday and don't know better
>This is somehow your fault despite not even existing yet
>Therefore it's ok to curse people and their descendants forever, making them permanently required to suck up to you for the cure

Original Sin doesn't make much sense from a Divine Justice standpoint, even for Catholics but Protestants espescially went full retard with it. Fallen Nature and a striving for Theosis makes a lot more sense for Humanity's behavior and exemplify God's benevolence

>>740260262
Don't waste your breath. The first thing christians internalize when they join the cult is that Yahweh is absolutely good, and the source of morality. Therefore everything he does is also good. If something he does seems evil, they will pilpul to rationalize it.
You can't argue around it, their mind has been raped by jewish fiction.

>>740260262
>This is somehow your fault
everyone starts with a blank slate. nobody forced you to commit sins in your life
>it's ok to curse people and their descendants forever, making them permanently required to suck up to you for the cure
realizing you cannot reach the standard required to enter heaven, i.e. sinless perfection, and asking for Jesus Christ to save you from damnation is "sucking up" to him? hubris at its finest. anyway:

Romans 5
>18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

>>740260501
>jewish fiction
still waiting for a reply to what do you even mean by that:
>>740257295
>>740257725

>>740260501
Evil is nothing but a buzzword to you, why should anyone care what you have to say on it

>>740244560
dummies who dont know about gnosticism

>>740259070
Their "anti christian" narrative is just part of their cycle. You agreed to be the lamb for the slaughter by accepting the greatest sacrifice to mold you

>>740257132
I'm not reading all that

>>740261279
>is just part of their cycle
yeah the 2 millenia old and counting temper tantrum cope because they murdered the messiah and now await the antichrist along islam. to imply they simply made up Christianity as a social engineering tool and our ancestors, and the ancestors of our ancestors and so on just fell for it is no different than worshipping them as these 5d chess 300iq beings, which is what you're projecting onto Christians. do better

Jews were bred out of existence centuries ago, modern guys are just LARPers who found a loophole to loanshark in the medieval ages

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>the church is evil
>the gods motivations and sense of morality are ambiguous
>you can become a god and guide humanity on the right path
How many games do this?

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>>740260218
I wasn't the one who brought up Genesis.

>>740260791
made up stories written by jews

>>740257725
>nope, just a simple question
This is what everyone pretending not to understand always says

>>740262372
no goalpost moved. you implied you are destined to hell through no fault of your own, implying you're sinless, which you are not
>>740262435
ebin reading comprehension

>>740259070
I genuinely cannot understand how you can hate jews while worshipping a jewish prophet who followed a jewish religion.

>>740262642
do they say what you left out from that post too? curious how I've yet to see an answer to a simple question

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>>740262775
Fine, here's the answer to your "simple question"

Now lets watch as you do exactly what I know you're about to do.

>>740262772
I genuinely cannot understand how you can pretend to hate jews while believing they're these 5d chess masterminds that made up Christianity from scratch as a social engineering tool that our ancestors and the ancestors of our ancestors and so on just fell for. this is no different than just outright worshipping them at this point so if you're not a megalomaniac kike yourself, it's time to go back to the drawing board and ditch those jidf anti-Christian talking points

>>740262927
I don't believe that. I believe that there was a schism in the the Jewish faith that resulted in the creation of a new Jewish sect which we now call Christianity. No 5D chess or strategic masterminds required, that's just how religion naturally evolves over time.

>>740262907
I'll do what I said I will do outright, which is to compare the definition you're basing your opinion off of (brought to you buy Google) vs how the Holy Bible itself defines them:

Romans 2
>28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

if you think contemporary jewry has a "praise not of men but of God", you have another thing coming I'm afraid

>>740263087
>this jewish book written by jews defines jews differently, actually
compelling stuff

>>740263087
Isn't this basically just saying that God cares more about whether you believe in him in your heart than about whether or not you do rituals or modify your body to show your faith?

>>740263007
How is Christianity a jewish sect when it outright calls what you know as those that call themselves jews nowadays the Synagogue of Satan? that makes even less sense

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>>740244560
Because everything is political.
politics is downstream from culture.

leftists and rightists know this to be true, you let the enemy get a foot in the door, they'll spread and takeover.
conservatives forgot that lesson over 40 years ago and now are rediscovering it.
only fucking idiots like libertarians believe fictional media has no consequences for society.

even your porn habits are political in nature.
spanking it to trannies WILL increase your sympathies toward tranny rights.

>>740261754
Fear and Hunger

>>740263169
yeah let's use your headcanon/kosher definition provided by Google instead, that's more valuable lmao

>>740263315
The same way Catholics and Protestants kinda hate each other even though they're both Christians sects.

>>740263315
Why would hating the religion the sect grew from disqualify something from being a sect? Most sects happen because the people separating from the main religion had issues with the way they were running things. Protestants and Catholics hate each other despite them both being sects of the same religion.

>>740263364
This

>>740263376
I didn't get that definition from google you retard and you can look at hundred of different definitions from hundreds of different sources, it wont change anything. Obviously someone who believes the bible is just made up jewish fairy tales is not going to find you quoting the bible as a source to be a compelling piece of evidence.

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>Church faction is over controlling and power hungry
>Tithes everyone because "muh keeping Hell at bay"
>Angels are assholes
>Crusading fanatics everywhere
>Get to the Hell/Underworld zone
>Demons are 10x worse and the Church faction was completely justified

>>740250920
>No, the actual problem is that people try to view God with human morality
I dont mind this idea but it gets weird when its applied to any semi divine creature
>the actual problem is that people try to view Satan with human morality
Like God is always supposed to be beyond anything you can comprehend ever, but you go 1 step lower and its 100% easy to understand basically just human with horns/wings.

>>740263416
>>740263430
Catholics believe that their deeds will save them, not Jesus Christ, so it might as well be a different religion; same goes for judaism/islam vs Christianity. there are fundamental differences so throwing them all in one basket is just dumb

>>740263829
That's just your personal opinion that they're too different to be considered the same religion. There's probably a lot of people who agree with you and if we're being honest the distinction is pretty arbitrary, but most people consider them sects and not distinct religions not really because of the differences in their beliefs but more so just because of their common origin.

>God is a duality of two beings
>The maker and the jester
>The maker sculps and creates
>While not exactly love the maker creates the material plane for insight and curiosity but never out of spite
>The jester introduces unforeseen elements in the creation
>The maker and the jester are at odds with the maker evolving its system to fight the jester intrusions
>The jester is chaos, entropy and death but also meaning
>The maker is life, evolution, perfection but not significance as you are meant to be a subject of study so you are not intended to find meaning of yourself or your actions or even the universe
>Good and Evil are parallel lanes to this
>Ultimately Good triumphs because it is a system of perseverance while Evil is ultimately self defeating
>Angels are evolved species that surveil the cosmos, well intentioned but ignorant of the intent of the creator and the self-appointed guardians of order and justice
>Demons are merely powerful brutes with some insight of the world but ultimately ignorant and ravenous, incapable of any real philosophy and are pure Id.
>The maker does not interfere with good nor evil
>The jester interferes with both granting power to either side through indirect means, creating in-fighting and discord, whichever is funnier
>If things get out of hand the maker will interfere but unlike the jester, the actions of the maker are fulminating and encompasses all like a solar flare erasing a planet
>The jester acts as one being while the maker essence is omnipresent but divided each representing or working on a possible existence simultaneously

So I am looking for anything like this.
Pretty sure it has been done.

>>740263990
oh I fully get that through a cursory view it feels like it's all the same but it's anything but under scrutiny
>pretty arbitrary
not really once one looks into it. God says not to call any religious figure Father here on Earth, catholics call their leader pope. The Mary worship (which they skirt around on) is undeniable too when Jesus treated her like any other human plus she's not a "perpetual virgin" because she did bear children after Jesus. the whole "purgatory" idea which is completely made up, the baptism of newborns being a 180 of how the Bible describes it should look like (i.e. from a consenting adult who is a conscious believer), their history of supressing the gospel by wanting to have a monopoly on it etc.

>>740260697
>everyone starts with a blank slate. nobody forced you to commit sins in your life
No, all people are born with the sin of adam and eve and only through christ can you be redeemed and not sent to hellfire.

>>740265567
The one who sins is the one who will die. A son will not be punished for his father’s sins, and a father will not be punished for his son’s sins

>>740264521
>jester
Stopped reading there.

>>740265567
Nope. What the other anon said, plus Babies up to a certain age (i.e. up to the age where they can actually consciously commit sin) go straight to heaven should they die

>>740244246
Just like real life
See mormons in utah with the 200k legos

>>740257295
One who follows the usurper, rather than the honorable and filial son of isaac.

>>740265698
>>740265961
>no you see as long I live a good life I can go to heaven, as long as I do enough "good deeds" I dont have to follow christ
No, the only path is through Christ. Not through "deeds" or good works or living a good life. Christ.

>>740266415
aye. see how that anon's narrative falls apart when you properly define it. no wonder they're wearing it like skinwalkers; confusion abounds

>>740266661
who are you quoting? I'd never dare to say getting a ticket to heaven can be done through "living a good life". It's by grace through faith after all, not through deeds, lest any man should boast

John 11
>25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Acts 16
>26And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.27And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.28But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.29Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

>>740260697

>everyone starts with a blank slate. nobody forced you to commit sins in your life

Everyone starts with a blank slate, and because they're blank slates they don't know any better. Except for Jesus apparently, who according to the story had a direct line to god and an innately divine nature. He does not have the experience of a real human being who has to crawl in the mud of mundane living, with an animalistic nature and a severe lack of wizard powers.

But this is about original sin, not regular sins, which I know you know because I mentioned it and you brought up genesis. You're changing the subject because you know it's a morally reprehensible concept and don't want to try and defend it, instead ignoring it and quoting nonsense thinking we'll just go away if you're difficult enough and put out a bible quote or two

>realizing you cannot reach the standard required to enter heaven, i.e. sinless perfection

Old testament god commits many atrocities and is on record acting like a huge asshole even to his faithful. Clearly sinless perfection is not a requirement as he's there. Your next line will be something to the effect of "it's ok when he does it".

>and asking for Jesus Christ to save you from damnation is "sucking up" to him?

Yes. If you wrong people, then you should make amends and seek forgiveness from the person you've wronged. Not beg and plead to an unrelated party to forgive/save you for things you've either done to other people or have no hand in doing whatsoever.

>hubris at its finest.

Says the guy who thinks all powerful divine beings would have any interest in him whatsoever.

>For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

All should be judged fairly, according to their deeds alone. Undeservedly giving out punishment and forgiveness to those who don't deserve it is undeniably injustice.

>>740267138
Original Sin explains why the world is in a fallen state and WHY men sin. It is not, itself, a mark against someone.

>>740267138
>He does not have the experience of a real human being
He did

Hebrews 4
>15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

>original sin
I brought Genesis because you said "through no fault of our own" despite Genesis 3 clearly stating Eve disobeyed God's singular command by listening to the serpent more than God, and Adam listened to Eve more than God. this then brought death into the world which we're currently living through

>Old testament God
Why the distinction? There is one God, same and forever. you'd have to define "atrocities" because I'm unaware of any and you end up sounding like dawkins

>If you wrong people, then you should make amends and seek forgiveness from the person you've wronged
That's what the Holy Bible teaches, yeah. We're talking about salvation though, not the golden rule

>Says the guy who thinks all powerful divine beings would have any interest in him whatsoever.
God said the very hairs on our head are numbered. Just because we're infinitely smaller than him does not mean he's indifferent towards us

>All should be judged fairly, according to their deeds alone
Then everyone goes to hell. God sent Jesus Christ to avoid having to do that because he loves us. To think you know more about what's just and what's not than God himself is once again hubris

>>740244685
frieren chad