Bew BEEEW bom BOM
>>740246773Should I play 1 before 2 remake drops?
>>740249076Remake is most likely to include both games, but why would you miss on prerendered backgrounds ludo.
>>740249076Of course.
>>740249181>why would you miss on prerendered backgrounds ludoBecause I've played this some 16 years ago and I don't want to spoil myself the remake experience. Same as playing Witcher 1 again when remake is just around the corner. For example, I've replayed MGS3 last year knowing I'll never want to play Delta, otherwise I wouldn't.
Cute!
>>740246773let's go!
BG2 No Cheese:>SS-Tier: Edwin, Anomen>S-Tier: Imoen, Nalia, Korgan, Cernd (SCS)>A-Tier: Neera, Jaheira, Keldorn (no SCS)>B-Tier: Viconia>C-Tier: Aerie, Jan, Haer'Daelis, Sarevok, Hexxat, Dorn>D-Tier: Valygar, Minsc, Mazzy>F-Tier: Keldorn (SCS), Rasaad>FF-Tier: Cernd (no SCS), WilsonBG2 Cheese Allowed (Insect Plague, Spike Trap, Nahal's):>SSS-Tier: Hexxat, Jan, Haer'Dalis, Cernd (SCS), Neera>SS-Tier: Edwin, Jaheira, Anomen>S-Tier: Imoen, Nalia, Korgan>A-Tier: Keldorn (no SCS), Cernd (no SCS)>B-Tier: Viconia>C-Tier: Sarevok, Aerie, Dorn>D-Tier: Valygar, Minsc, Mazzy>F-Tier: Keldorn (SCS), Rasaad>FF-Tier: Wilson
Here's a question for all the boom, I mean grognards here: why are you so sure AD&D was better than 5e? I can see the difference being in combat since in 5e everyone has these cool builds and can soak tons of damage, but what else is there that was lost in 5e?
>>740249076>remakeI can't wait for no one to buy more commie historical revisionism.>>7402505905e was designed to be like a video game aimed at game journos. Its just wishywashy nothingness where nothing you choose actually matters at all besides a couple cheese builds that trivialize it even more than it already is.
>>740250995If it's aimed at journos, why is it objectively more difficult than older editions? Aren't journalists terrible at playing games? Besides, 5e only has 3 video games while old school AD&Ds had at least 10.
>>740250995Who's doing the remake? If it's fucking Beamdog still and they barely do anything, it wont sell. But if it's a significant remake, it'll sell like hotcakes, no matter what they censor or strip out. Normies love the Baldurs gate now, after BG3, but would never ever ever play old games. They'll gobble a remake up.
>>740252138>Who's doing the remakeIt's early to tell. The outsourcing assistant teams in third worlds are making assets and that's about it.
>>740246773>BG1 blew me away when it came out because even though it was dumbed down casual bullshit for normalfags the writing was more fun than gold box and the loot whoring was great and it was just amazing across the board>Start regularly participating in online forums because of BG1 and getting pumped for BG2>BG2 blows me away again, it's worse at world exploration but class kits, party banter, tons of cool fights, it's heaven>Play both of them a million times>BG3, despite being made by completely different people and having nothing to do with BG in general, blows me away again by actually fucking going back to turn based combat, having more reactivity and choice with consequence than the first two>Almost 30 years later I still regularly replay them and just keep my modded installs ready at all timesWHO UP NESTLIN THEY CLIFFS THAT RISE FROM THE SWORD COAST?
>>740253358I just wish they finally make a Dalelands game.
>>740249076you should play both before this supposed remake drops. they're pretty good, though 1's early game is rough because your entire party sucks ass.
>>740250590both styles are fine I think, though I do quite like Dual Classing in AD&D. investing early levels in fighter in BG1, then going into BG2 basically starting over from level 1 until you eclipse your fighter level in wizard/cleric/whatever was quite fun. you take a big hit in power for massive gains later, ramping into an absolute beast of a character. BG3 by comparison has a more traditional power curve, you start weak then ramp quickly but there's no point where you give up power in one part to obtain much more power later.
>>740246773>Bew BEEEW>bom BOMI can hear it
>>740249076play the originals and leave the remake alonei would even recommend leaving EE alone if you wanna be super autistic about original encounter balancing
>>740253358You must gather your party before venturing forth.
>>740254240early AD&D is kinosolo thief can wreck the entire gamethe bounty hunter kit in EE goes even harder
>>740256997>early AD&D>solo thief>roll 1d4 for hit die>1 HP>die
I'm playing through this for the first time right now! (The original version, not the enhanced edition.)I'm not too far in, still on chapter 2, I became lord of Nalia's keep and I'm now slaughtering slavers in Athkatla.I'd like to figure out how to do Yoshimo's quest with the Shadow Thieves while staying chaotic good (no killing without due cause). Mae'Var sent me to kill a cowled wizard, which I refuse to do, I might just have to kill Mae'Var and hope Aran isn't too pissed with me.
>>740249897>Aerie that low when she's the single best tank in the game>Anomen higher than Jaheira when she does everything he can do but has insect plague spells and her own version of stoneskin on top
Are there any mods to improve the pathfinding? This is basically the last remaining issue i have with classic entries. Party pathfinding in baldurs gate games is terrible, they can get stuck inside each other's models easily and clog the choke points.
>>740257950Don't you sense some difference between thieves like Aran and those like Mae'Var?
>>740257210don't need to worry about having low HP in a game where you can basically kite every enemy to death
>>740258294That's cheese. In the real tabletop you get 15% chance to unlock locks and 100% chance to die if you get hit once.
>>740258283I mean, Mae'Var is very evidently strongly evil-aligned, and if I wasn't worried about Yoshimo's well-being I would've just killed my way through his place rather than playing his games. But if you're insinuating I should know how Aran operates, to be honest I took an extended leave between talking to him and coming back to Mae'Var and I don't remember my interactions with Aran too well.He did seem pretty lawful neutral I think (maybe lawful evil?), so my guess is killing Mae'Var would be ultimately not disastrous, but I'm just making it my last resort.
>>740258985>I took an extended leave between talking to him and coming back to Mae'VarThat explains it. Don't worry about Aran's reaction.
>>740246773ToB music is the best.
>>740253358You disgust me, you videogame enjoyer.
>>740249681>gender>raceProblematic.
>>740252138They will be adding at least 20 more trannies for the remake. They did it for Enhanced they will do it again.
>try a wild mage>the wild surge mechanic is so ass it's literally impossible to plan out an encounter, and even at high levels there's still 25% chance it will butt fuck you plus every cast wildly fluctuates in caster level which means sometimes you deal less damage and your control effects are shittier>all you get is essentially 6 level 9 slots that allow you to cast with improved alacrity in exchange for every cast potentially killing you or raping your partyI can't do it bros, this is so assSorc is miles ahead of this shit.
>>740249076Play the remake directly. It's for people like you.
>>740246773Why are Bioware so shit at art direction and music?Look how ugly this menu looks.
>>740257210>didnt invest all skillpoints in stealth>doesnt backstab enemiesyou shouldnt even be losing hpif you lose hp you are already donethe traps in the mines of nashkell are the first hit you should take in the whole game and only if you went full stealth
>>740258221>click to move across the map>look away whilst they make their way over>look back and notice 5/6 are moving there>one decided to go the complete opposite way
>>740260474>they get lost in each other's models and dance in one spot for a minute
>>740253358Do you think Baldur's Gate is the best RPG franchise?I always preferred Fallout series, but Bethesda kinda ruined it with 4 and 76. I also like Ultima but not all the games are good i only enjoyed 4,5,6,7Idk about Wizardry i didnt play all the games but 7 is great.
>>740246773I love the music cue when the chorus ends and it goes into the wistful harp with the softer melody. I miss those days bros.
You have been waylaid by enemies and must defend yourself.
>>740261272>Death Spell>all of them are instantly deadGod no game gives you the same feeling of power as BG2 wizard. In BG3 only storm sorc comes close but he's locked to just being a blaster.
>>740261272>rushes to the nearest map edge>gets hit>reloads quicksave
>>740250995>I can't wait for no one to buy more commie historical revisionism.Like when nobody bought the censored (Now With More Gays!) EE? They will probably stop selling the EE just like they stopped selling the original version.
>>740261460>everyone made their saving throw>out of those who do not have spell resistance>out of those who are not constructs or undeadWait until you get to 3 Chromatic Orbs in a sequencer, after a Greater Malison, or something.
>>740262241death spell instantly murders everything below level 9 with no saving throw and also instantly kills most summoned creatures
>>740261460gonna start nostalgia fagging hard but as a kid, fighting liches and other high level spellcasters in bg2 was a magical (heh) experience. like i'd have my entire party swinging and casting magic missiles on their ass and it'd do absolutely nothing. they'd just stand there, timestop, and start pumping out bullshit after bullshit while shrugging off everything you did. i'm sure if i played now, it'd be easy to power game it by understanding mechanics from guides and wikis but those were the days when internet fucked with your phone line and walkthroughs were physical books you had to buy. was also too fucking young to understand wtf was going on but that made it kewl. dragons too. lots of amazing spectacle fights that weren't in any other game at the time. also gave me a drow fetish.
>>740262385>9 HDMeh. So this is why I forgot some of its specifics. Would be a really nice one to have in the original. But it has pre-nerf Sleep so it's okay.
>>740262827A fight between two high level casters in BG2 wasn't really replicated in any other vidya ever>>740262997The important part for late game is killing almost every summon. But Death Spell completely owns early SoA since it kills any type of troll among other things.
Reminder Kensai is actually a dogshit meme class and no amount or reddit revisionism will make it good
>>740262827My first playthrough of bg2 when I was a kid I chose a berserker. Looking back it was kind of lame to just autoattack a lich to death because of immunity to maze and such, but at the time it felt awesome to see my protagonist just 1v1 something that was meant to be super powerful. Just a little dwarf overpowering a lich.
>>740259713Wild magic is amazing in BG 1/2. You could cast high level spells at level 1. More importantly, it contains the bug that grants your character unlimited power.
>>740263424I was having fun playing a kensei in BG1EE not too long ago, but I did cheat and allow myself to equip robes and changed my character sprite to a mage so I'd look the part. I gotta finish that playthrough, I'm on the werewolf island of Tales of the Sword Coast right now.
>>740253358I just can't get into baldurs gate 3 at all. Farthest I got was meeting nightsong but I just lose interest. I don't care about any of the companions and the story is just very meh.
>>740263838The companions are all super special while still being largely annoying and uninteresting.
>>740264137Lae'zel is just a north korean soldierShart is just a brainwash cult victimAstarion is literally a pawnThe rest are all varying degrees of shitty OC, except Jaheira i guess.
>>740264137I could forgive the retarded "actually i used to be really powerful/important" writing of the companions if there were more to choose from. If you do an evil playthrough you can easily end up with no choice on who to bring because everyone else left or died. That was never an issue in the other games.
>>740249076You should play 1 and 2 and never touch any garbage remake or unasked for """sequel""" cashgrab, made by retards for retards, from games made in a time before the perpetual fakeness and gayness that engulfed this stupid gay earth around 15 years ago.
>>740265156Me on the right
>>740253358>the Bhaalspawn: slain by wolves in the woods near Candlekeep, little was accomplished
>>740264412yeah the excuse that everyone got de-leveled by the worms was always kind of dumb
>>740249076>should I play part 1 before playing part 2
Step aside, peasants. Ultimate dragon theme is herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsg664cyf1c&list=RDHsg664cyf1c&start_radio=1
>>740249897>includes non-canon Beamd*g NPCs as if they were actual peopleRepulsive creature of the night
>dig up my old HDD because of this thread.>fix the registry and baldur.ini (thanks Jewgle AI)>start the game, load a save from 15 years ago>it actually worksHuh, interesting.I think I might actually play it again, I just need to figure out what to do about the resolution.
>>740266259What about it? Last I checked the remaster works fine with 1440p screen, you can zoom in and out and resize the UI?
>>740266259who's that in the middle? I don't remember that character
>>740265710to be fair to that guy not much of BG1 ties into 2 until ToB with Sarevok's return. You get the returning characters but they were so cardboard in 1 they only became actual characters in 2.
>>740266901It's the blue half-dragon girl from IWD2, I must have modded her in as a playable model.
>>740266259Just download Magpie and upscale
>>740267380>to be fair to that guy not much of BG1 ties into 2Are u fucking retarded in the brain retarded retardYou literally start in media res with bunch of ur party members from BG1 being imprisoned, ur shit peddled away and ur hot stepsister freeing u, all of which ure supposed to be familiar withNot to mention Amman general political dealings make no sense if you have no idea what Sword Coast and Baldurs Gate is lol
>>740249076>>740249181>>740250995What? Remake? They're remaking them?Oh God please no, they'll most certainly shit everything up just to justify fucking BG3.
>>740267939Sharing a dad means she's your half-sister rather than stepsister
>>740268091My bad, people divorcing each other is not trendy around here unlike US so im not fully familiar with all the incest terminology
I have remake fatigue, if not remake exhaustion.
>>740267939>all of which ure supposed to be familiar withunless you played an evil character in 1 preventing you from using the BG1 characters that appear in the irencius dungeon. and even then those characters are once again for emphasis now, cardboard cutouts in BG1 and only become actual characters in BG2. A party you can then ditch in it's entirety once you've out of the tutorial dungeon, and I'm pretty sure you can tell most of them to fuck off outright IN the dungeon. The ties are not that strong from 1 to 2. ToB is where it really comes into play with the returned focus to the conflict between bhaalspawn. Irenicus is a cool villain but he really doesn't have much to do with the overarching conflict of the original games.
Will they include beamshit's oc donut steels in the remake? If so, I'm non buynary.
>>740265227>Elminster is the only wizard that gets a pointy hat on his spriteOne of the few flaws with BG1 and 2. At least in 3 you can wear a fucking pointy hat even if you can't 420 smoke mana everyday
>>740266270big ass
>>740250590Personally I hate the everliving fuck of the "concentration" system in 5E.>you can only use ONE buff/debuff/even some offensive spells and there's a good chance it'll get canceled if you get hit>even shit like ranger's mark uses concentration (???)It makes for extremely one-dimensional and boring combat which puts you at the mercy of the dice RNG much more than the previous editions because your options are severely limited.
>>740264137the progression felt unnatural. you got dumped in with them right at the very start and that was like 75% of the party members right then and there. no sense of discovery and exploration and finding these dudes out there in the wild like bg2. also the fact that you could respec them so easily took away from their flavor. they were just formless blobs that you could just reshape at will into whatever class you wanted and were instantly your level instead of being "static" and real. like i get it from a gameplay perspective, both of those make things convenient but it takes away something too. the 4 limit was bad as well. i wanted to slot in people but couldn't because i'd double up on roles.
Should I play a sword and shield pure unkitted fighter from BG1 -> BG2 - > ToBorA dual class unkitted fighter 9 > mage through BG1 -> BG2 - > ToBNo I won't multi, human only
>>740271976what is unkitted or kitted?
>game starts with a Nietzsche quote
Home.
>>740273471Pissant town
>>740249076wait they're going to demake BG2?
>>740273189Unkitted is just the base class and kitted is a subclass. Kensai or berserker are two fighter kits for example.
>>740273578Yes. This time they're gonna make Haerdalis cuck you.
>>740257210Nigger, thief are d6. i havent played adnd in fucking 20 years and i remember you got no excuses
>>740274053m8 it's Current Year, Haer'dalis will fuck you (male bhaalspawn).
>>740273471Hey, get out, I don't like your type in here.
NESTLED ATOP THE CLIFFS THAT RISE ABOVE THE SWORD COAST
>>740263424In later 2 they actually rise above any other pure fighter by far. Their armor issues get solved by a single mage nearby throwing spirit armor on them, and later on as AC starts to drop in power, kensai still get all the fighter HLAs and get so much extra damage and thac0 from their passive that they just blend anything they bump into. With STR enhancement gear and a high level kensai you're getting a flat 25 or more bonus damage before your pips and weapon enchant are even counted.
