When does it get good
>>740248739when you enter the right mindset to enjoy it
>>740248739when you stop being into goyslop
Right around the part you meet Boogie as Jade.
Act one can be slow, but builds into act two nicely, then act three shits the bed. Have fun!
>>740248739Precisely at this point in 5 dimensional space
>>740248739when you restart on harder monsters because otherwise the game will never challenge you ever
It's kinda boring but I thought it was novel for being a very vanilla turn based JRPG. It was ok for one playthrough, don't see why it has a cult following though.
>>740248975you mean start
I played with the stronger monsters setting turned on and that first dungeon with erik was so tough I had to steal mp recovery items from the enemies just to keep myself going through the dungeon, so unless you played on small children mode pretty early
>>740248975The absolute irony of saying this in a Dragon Quest thread.
>>740249212XI is just ok, you gotta play like DQV to really understand why people are so attached to the franchise
>>740248739when you get seenya and veronica and have stronger monsters on
>>740250551>>740250491Not OP. Is this game enjoyable if I didn't get the updated "S" version?Ive had it for ages and never played it much but the DQ12 announcement made me want to give it another go.>DQVI thought VIII was the one people loved most.
>>740250768>Not OP. Is this game enjoyable if I didn't get the updated "S" version?yeah all the S version adds is some side story stuff inbetween acts 1 and 2 which totally bog down the pacing while not adding anything worthwhile, some QoL stuff like costumes being decoupled from what armor you're wearing and some extra side content that takes place in the 2D mode. The original version however does NOT have the orchestrated music, so if you have it on PC I strongly recommend you get a mod that replaces the midi soundtrack with the orchestrated stuff because the midi soundtrack is ass.>I thought VIII was the one people loved most.VIII is good too, but occupies the same space as FF7 does for many in the west where it was their first exposure to the franchise. DQV and III are THE big ones overall, but the stuff DQ3 does now isn't too mind blowing if you've played JRPGs up to this point because of how influential it was on basically all of japan's game industry. But DQV's plot and mechanics are still quite novel even now.
>>740251140>DQ3Funny, I had that game on Gameboy color as a kid and remember nothing about it other than I really liked the art and design of the characters.I'll look into V at some point though if XI clicks.
>>740250768The updated version has QoL features and some side stories like the other anon said. The graphics are much worse than the original, but you can remedy that on PC by looking into Project Rebuild. It's very easy to install.
>>740251464Have it on Ps4 I'm afraid.I'd make the jump but I'm tight on cash right now, even if the game is cheap on PC.
>>740251464>Project RebuildThat shit fucking sucks. If you actually follow their retarded directions you'll end up with massive amounts of ghosting.
>>740251538the ghosting comes from the TAA IIRC, gotta fuck with the ini to change the AA to something else for the ghosting to go away.
>>740248975Is Dragon Quest, being into slop is a necessity
>>740251538Not him nor did I use the retarded mod but to remove ghosting entirely, you need to remove the dark outlines around characters.
>>740248739are there good porn mods? I kinda want to get it but I've played most of the series already
>>740251635Fucking with the .ini is exactly what makes the ghosting worse.
>>740251961I dunno what to tell you bub I swapped of TAA and the ghosting basically went away for me
>>740248739It never really does.The 3DS version is a way better game if you can read moonrunes.
>>740248739When you get the Blade Dance attack, and dual wield
>>740248739when the blonde loli joins you
>>740250768>I thought VIII was the one people loved most.I don't even dislike VIII but this game is only popular due to nostalgia and the massive graphical leap from the previous titles, as a game it gets completely mogged by XI in most category. And the irony is that they made the graphics way worse in the remake even though it was the main selling point of the game. That shit was absolutely criminal.
>>740251324NTA but I'm playing the SNES remake of DQ3 and it's fucking awesome, I'm loving the game so far and it might be one of the best RPGs I have ever played. I can see now why japs love the franchise so much.So far I've played through DQ1 and DQ2 (SNES remakes).
>>740248739Name five better JRPGs without mentioning a Square game
>>740248739I burnt out a ways into Act 2. Holy fuck this game is long. Might go back and finish it next month
>>740251927Kind of. There are nude mods and mods that replace the shorts with panties under the skirts/dresses and what not..Even makes some outfits a bit lewder.
>>740254637It's a good thing this game ends after Act 2
>>740254532Tales of Destiny DCBreath of Fire 3Trails in the Sky SCShin Megami Tensei 1 (I like the PS1 port the most but either version works)>without mentioning a square gameDragon Quest V that said DQXI is a fine game, out of the DQs I've played I'd rank on the higher end.
>>740254418You desperately need to play more games.
>>740255198>Dragon Quest V Seriously ? What does V do better than XI ?The most fun element of V which is the monster taming comes with the massive drawback of giving up on the party chat, that I hardly consider it to be an advantage over XI. Not to mention the fact that monsters makes the game piss easy, just catch the strong boys, have the AI control them and the game plays itself.
I got bored after I finished the mermaid story. Does the game get better? It's been 6 months so I could just pick it up again without starting all over (I forget stuff quickly)
>>740256105the monster taming and the story is just generally much better. though I'll ditch the monsters to run the party of the MC and his family once they're all playable.
>>740248739It gets good right away and gets bad in the last act.
>>740256172act 1 is generally pretty slow and episodic in nature because it's mostly about the quest for the mcguffins, it picks up in act 2 then kind of narratively stumbles in act 3 though I quite like act 3 mechanically.
>>740249212for me it's blue skies and green grass
>>740256105Monster taming. Wife and family shit. The story being more personal because of those. No retarded time travel plot.
>>740255198Thanks, I'll check em all out
>>740248739When you beat the game of course!
>>740248739Never the entire world outside of cities and dungeons has one single song it's fucking retarded
>>740248739I kinda liked the endgame. Early game wasn't too bad either. There's a massive period in the middle where the best way to deal damage is through the stupid Puff Puff aoe or the gay guy's money toss. Not the best balanced rpg.
>>740256770>start up act 2>new song and evil outside, think the entire act will look and sound like it>beat the first boss of the new act, visuals are returned and the original song comes backI couldn't fucking believe it.
Act 3 still filtering low IQ browns
>>740249212That's every Dragon Quest for me. I genuinely struggle to see how anyone can with a straight face say that they're better than final fantasy. The only ones I'd say are above average would be the first game for its short length and replay value, 8 for being a really solid rpg, 9 because it had much faster pacing than most DQ. Meanwhile if I try the same with the early final fantasies the only flops are 2, 3, 8 and 12. Every other title is a gem.
>>740257236and now the FFaggot shows up shit their diaper
>When this starts playing once you get the boatholy kinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWQHTmIiukI
>>740257196Act III just post-game dressing anyhow.
>>740254637It completely kills its own momentum by having you slowly play vignettes with your party members. Then come act 3 its all retconned anyway so they lose their character development.
>>740250491kys redditor5 is overrated trash liked by storyfags
>>740257473how's being a contrarian for attention working out as a hobby? I've been interested in trying something new.
>>740256592The wife fucks off almost immediately and you don't get her back until the end of the game. Your kids don't even change depending on your wife. It'd have been neat for Deborah's kids to be more physically focused whilst Neras learn more magic. Doesn't really matter in the end either since monsters are so much better than your family.
>>7402575625 is certified poser-core slopyou storyfags don't even play games, most of you watched a playthrough of 5 and act like you played it
If you don't like immersing yourself in the world and talking to every NPC for the fun dialogue and world building, then you probably won't like it. I talked to all the npcs and some of the areas really shine when you do, like the academy. There are some really great hidden sidequests from npcs and some huge lore reveals too.
>>740256592>Monster tamingtrash, no one liked it thats why they removed it from mainline DQ and refined it into it's own subseries>wife and family shitstick up to Persona, RPG's are not for you
>>740257390exactly
>740257690hopefully this bait works out for you, sis
>>740257473>Playing an RPG>Not being a storyfag
>>740257690I've beaten it once on DS, been playing the PS2 remake recently now that I have a modded PS2 and CRT. Just finished the childhood arc. excuse my poor screencap quality my composite capture card is a bit shit. anyway you didn't answer my question, is your behavior fulfilling?
>>740248739>modern jap rpgmost likely never
>>740257236>8 for being a really solid rpglol
>>740257690DQ5 is the Silent Hill 2 of the seriesa game with a strong circlejerk praising it's story but barely any talk about the gameplay because it's inferior to the other DQ gamesofc 5fags will deny this but what do they know? they haven't played 4,6 or 7 to know how the gameplay is in those games
>>740258229DQXI is considered not modern enough for the tiktok brainrotted generation, retard
>>740248739After about 400 hours if you skip optional content. Hang in there.
>740258325meds
>>740258306it is, the problem with 8 lies with the boring bland story/characters and setting (even if the setting is charming)
>740258325>RPG>Talk about gameplayLmao
>>740258325I haven't played 4 or 6 but 7's gameplay is alright. I like the addition of weapon skills, and I'm a sucker for job systems but 7's length and mechanical pacing makes it really hard to replay. I tried tackling the 3DS version again and I dropped off during the robot island past visit, I can't even imagine how long it takes to get to all trades abbey in the PS1 original.
>>740255595you are just a pedantic faggot, i like dq3 exactly bcs i have played a huge amount of games and I know what separates a good game from a bad one. The game is a masterpiece
>>740258306Cmon, it's fine. There are some problems with the game but it's generally really good quality.
>>740258509He's just baiting, 5 is my favorite but 4 is in my top5 and I actually really like 7 and 6(the one that gets shit on the most)
>>7402583256's gameplay is sorta shit tho... Unbalanced fuckwits for the first half of the game and then once you get the class system it breaks wide open.I'd argue 7 is the same way. I've only played the slop 3ds version but the scaling of enemies in some zones was like throwing darts at a scoreboard.
>>740258646oh I know he's baiting but you gotta turn the bait into productive vidya discussion if you want to see it happen at all. anyway I've heard 6 has problems but I'm willing to try it out eventually, will probably play 4 first though.
>>740248739when you click uninstallcan't believe i trudged through this uncslop for 7 hours before realizing how fucking retarded it wasI'm also convinced they used the OST as an enhanced interrogation technique in abu ghraib
>>740256228Story is subjective, besides XI has the massive advantage of having well animated cutscenes, facial expressions and voiced lines to elevate the story on many levels. You could give it the most dogshit plot imaginable and I believe it would still be among the best stories in the franchise.And like I said the monster taming is fun but I would never consider it better than having an extremely well balanced party, with each member having a very distinct role with a plethora of abilities and different progress paths with the skill panel system. No other DQ games have something like this, Yangus wishes VIII was as balanced.Prefering V over XI is perfectly acceptable but saying it's straight up better than XI is bullshit and actually insulting to XI given the armount of effort and love that was put into that game. Just look at all these combo cutscenes between the party members: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfDvCGc0ezg& It's pure sovl, the devs could have just made some cheap ass animations all called it a day. Yet they bothered to make these cutscenes even if most players wouldn't even see half of these in one playthrough.
>>740248739Beginning of Act 2, I believe.
>>740258604if you liked 3 you should play 9>>740258509am actually replaying 7 (PS1) after 6 or 7 years and am loving it, i tried the 3DS demake but holy shit it was soulless af (awful bland graphics even by 3DS standarts, reddit localization, the camera is zoomed in too close to the player......) i switched to the OG and didn't look back>>740258646go jump off a cliff 5fag, your shit game is barely better than 2
>740259189you're brown
>>740258443The pacing sucks. It makes the whole game feel like a prologue or tutorial.>>740258616Splitting hairs but I wouldn't consider "fine" and "solid" to be in the same ballpark.
>>7402586043 sucks until you get the ship, then it starts to be good. But just good. Not great, not amazing.
>>740259125XI never managed to properly click with me emotionally. The best parts of the game were Erik and his sister which was pretty good if abrupt and then the stuff with Serena and Veronica which I still think would have been exponentially more of a gut punch if we'd recruited Veronica early in act 2 and it had a chance to build up how she is without her sister
>>740248739>jrpg>goodnever lolbut weebs will insist "trust me it gets good 50 hours in"
>>740259338Sorry, I'm just trying to be diplomatic. Honestly I think I just don't like Dragon Quest, but of them I've played 8 is by far the best. Also 9. DQ9 was fun.
5, 8 and 11the unholy trinity of Poser Quest
6's characters were always a sticking point for me. The big guy is fairly novel but everyone else is underutilised or just random additions. You spend hours and hours traveling with Milly and Nevan and yet I can tell you nothing about them.
Guarantee the schizo hasn't beaten X like a poserfaggot
>>740260039>You spend hours and hours traveling with Milly and Nevan and yet I can tell you nothing about them.???the party chat gives them tons of character
>>740259125story is subjective yes, so is one's opinion on what game is better than another. I think DQV's story is better, therefore I think DQXI is better. mechanically I think XI messes up a bunch too, for example I think XI's world design is ass, I much prefer the world map/town/dungeon design of old. There are also too many full heal spots in too many dungeons, couple that with symbol encounters and that makes resource management during dungeon crawls a nonfactor. You mention pep powers but I think their implementation also sucked ass, and was too random to ever use very strategically. they look cool but the only way you can plan around them is to ram your head into normal battles, get the powers stocked then bench the powered teammates until the boss. In the end it's all subjective and the bulk of your argument is presentational, which I don't particularly care about personally.
>>740259739Yes I can understand that, it's precisely why I said story is subjective. And it's not like I disagree with you on V's story, I believe it's genuinely good and arguably better than XI's on paper. Though I wish it was a bit longer and that the final boss wasn't as irrelevant and uncharismatic.
Every time I have tried to play a Dragon Quest game, be it V, VII, VIII, IX, or XI, I eventually just bounce off of them for the exact same reasons>characters are extremely bland and 1 note>story and world are very boring and generic fantasy>combat is as barebones and basic as could be>everything feels extremely safe and disneyfied>in fact, its safe to say the DQ is the jrpg equivelent of disneyslopIts ok that people like these, but I legitimately just dont get it. I have never tried more to get into a series only to fail so many fucking times. Its too bad as well, because i fucking love Toryiama's art style. But literally NONE of the games except for MAYBE VIII even actually capture it outside of concept art.
>>740260450didn't ask and you're brown
>>740260162Like what...? They're so boring. The big guy and the dragon girl are carrying party chat in that game on their back
>>740260436I meant that if you want to decide which game from the same franchise is "objectively" the better one you gotta compare them side by side in each category, it's not fair otherwise. You can't decide it based on your feelings after one playthrough or by being selective on what you care and what you don't, because then it would just be about your preferences. My original question was "what does V do better than XI to be considered the better game" and I didn't get any convincing answer yet.And again prefering V is completely fine, in fact all your points are valid. But the discussion was about V against XI, not about the shortcomings of XI.Like sure the later would have certainly been better if the dungeons weren't as easy, but that doesn't give the edge to V at all because that game is piss easy, it's arguably the easiest mainline DQ while XI with strong monsters is on the harder side (it gets significantly easier in the second half but still).
>>740260450Japan absolutely adores the games too. Their taste isn't that bad but the games feel so sloppy
>>740260039Nevan's just a dweeb, Amos doesn't join unless you join in on gaslighting him and then barely ever says anything outside of party chat since he's optional, Terry gets joked about only being useful for unlocking Lizzie
>>740250768The MIDI music sucks absolute shit, the orchestra helps.https://youtu.be/FsUINjYwNwIhttps://youtu.be/uCP57ThXD-c
>>740257236>and 12XII is the best one after VII.Can't tell if you guys are trolling or if you are genuinely retarded.
>>740258325What's wrong with 5's gameplay? It's hardly changed from 3 or 4 in battles, the human party members are pretty much direct analogues for Priest, Hero, Sage, Mage, and Warrior and the monster party members give a few viable options outside of that even to the end of the game.
>>740248739>he fell for the slop quest meme
>>740248739Once you've assembled the whole party is when I think it hits its stride
>>740262318>My original question was "what does V do better than XI to be considered the better game" and I didn't get any convincing answer yet.me and one other guy said this at the start of this discussion basically, we think the plot is more compelling and we like the monster recruiting. XI's story is fine for the most part, but I think the arc of the MC's life starting with childhood and ending up with the Hero as his child is compelling. The disaster of act 2 in DQXI is bigger, but the tragedy of the MC and his wife being turned to stone and watching the seasons roll by is much more personal and compelling. it centers the tragedy on you the player, instead of the world's end by the baddie. The combat in XI is more polished than V's, but V is more fun in that exploration and dungeon crawls are much better, and the monster party stuff is fun to experiment with blind before you learn to just beeline the slime knight. The MC also not being the Hero results in a slightly different playable character mechanically, being more of the cleric archetype with wind spells than the standardized Hero with fire/lightning spells. My criticisms of XI in comparison to V are to showcase the problems I have with XI that make me like it less than V. and I can decide what I think is better entirely based on how I feel about the games, that is entirely how forming opinions work. the thing you think is "objectivism" is just one's ability to explain why they feel the way they do.
You clearly don't like RPG's or JRPG's as most of them are slow starting and you can't really do much at the beginning. If you aren't into games like that then you won't like any RPG's/JRPG's in general. If the game is boring to you within the first 2-3 hours and you don't feel like you're enjoying it then you shouldn't force yourself to keep playing it. It obviously isn't for you. I really enjoyed DQXI, honestly wouldn't mind doing a replay of it. It is boring once you learn how to cheese things like with Eric's clone/dagger/crit build that can just do like insane amounts of damage to enemies in one turn, but you have to set it up.
I've tried on two separate occasions to get into Dragon Quest, once with VIII and once with XII got pretty far into both too, but I just lose interest. The setting just doesn't grab me and combat is feels pretty boring too. Like you know the memes about how old FF games are just hold attack and win? That's how DQ combat feels to me
>>740263421Turn on stronger monsters in 118 is pretty easy though unless you just refuse to use Boomerangs/Thin Air on random encounters
>>740260450> but I legitimately just dont get it.They are for kids, like Pokemon but doesn't have the hold of Pokemon on autistic men in their 20s.
>>740263421I can understand feeling that about the older titles but both DQXI and VIII have weapon skills you should be using over basic attacks
>>740262754I have "slop" meme fatigue.
>>740263475>They are for kidsAh yes, the kids who take off of their salaryman jobs to such magnitudes that the entire country often allows businesses to shut down like it's a national holiday.
>>740263421maybe you should play a real DQ game and not the shitty ones faggots on the internet told you they are the peak of the genre
>>740251927There isn't much, unfortunately.There are some sexy outfits and some nudity, but it's all pretty basic, and it doesn't look great in the game.It's definitely a game to avoid if you're looking for a lot of kink.
>>740263632The only tough part in any DQ before they started adding hardmodes is the first time you see a boss that gets two turns and AOEs before you have multiheal
I just couldnt play through it. The modern graphics completely threw me off, you cant jump, not even a little ledge or anything that isnt a scripted jump. You have to walk around to go down a level you could just walk down (like a fucking ps2 game).I just couldnt get past the disconnect between the technology, looks and the gameplay choices.
>>740248739The capture at the castle and escape with Erik. If you're not in by that point I doubt you have a soul. Shit is peak adventure.
>>740265035>you can't jumpyes you can
>>740265145kys. it's the most soulless piece of shit rpg I've ever played in my life.
>>740248739Tranny franchise just like FFYou have to be a soulless gook bugoid to enjoy these games, that's why they are so popular in japan (nation with shittiest taste in vidya) also never forget pearl harbor
>>740266010The soulless one is you. Dragon quest requires the player be an actual person with a healthy functioning brain and a soul to enjoy not a gooned out retard mashing x for dopamine hits.
Haven't played any DQ game but will I like DQX if I liked FFXI and dot hack? It seems like there's an offline singleplayer version of it too
>>740248739>when does it get goodwhen you start ignoring shitty "translation"but then the game goes to shit in post game
>>740268014The 10 offline is just the initial release campaign to replace the old ass start of the game.
>>740263004I'm aware about your overall stance on the story but thanks for developping nonetheless, I love how the game focus on the life of the hero as well.The exploration point is valid though XI has a lot of stuff to make up for it such as the visuals, the atmosphere and the verticality. But if we focus purely on the fun aspect of the exploration then yes I think I agree that it's something the non-3DS games with random encounter do better.Besides your whole point is that YOU prefer V over XI for several reasons which I have never objected to. But liking one game over another shouldn't prevent you from admitting that the other could still be the more complete and refined product overall.You mentionned some things you liked about V and some things you disliked about XI, and made them your whole argument. Which is fair if we're talking which game we like most, but it's not when it's about gauging the overall quality of each game.Mentioning a couple of things V arguably do better while ignoring hundred of things XI has improved over V because you apparently don't care about them is pretty dishonest. This happens often among DQ fans and it upsets me a lot, these "fans" undermine XI's accomplishments and the massive improvements it brought on graphics, animation, game balance, story presentation, character development, customization and so on and parrot on the internet about how much better the old games are for one or two reasons that frankly most new players won't give a shit about.The original VII is my favorite DQ mainly because of its story structure, the unusually dark and bittersweet adpect for a dq game and Maribel's party chat, but I'm not delusional enough to say it's a better game than XI.
>>740268014X offline is ass. Can't speak for the main game but DQfags who have played it tend to speak highly of it.
>>740248739Did you start the series with that one? You should know by now if you like dragon quest or not. It's 40 years old. And every game is basically the same. The only thing that changes is there are small QOL improvements with each new one.
>>740269975>The only thing that changes is there are small QOL improvements with each new one.If anything the series has regressed in that department.
>>740260450The Dragon Quest games are the most barebones JRPGS out there. That's not necessarily a bad thing if you come in knowing what to expect and set your expectations in accordance with it, but nothing it does will wow you like the Final Fantasy, DrakenNier, Tales or Star Ocean would. There's a reason most of the fans of the series are older salarymen. Still, the chicks are on point for the most part. Jade, Jessica and Maribel are all tied for best girl in my tierlist.
>>740248739Unironically when credits roll and you get to postgameNot memeing
Got to the part where you have to get all the orbs out in the world and I dropped it hard. Literally fuck all direction where to go and I can't be bothered to wiki
