Keep going, it gets gut wrenchingly sad. Randomness will resume in kiwami 2 if that's what you like

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>>740280652
>spoiler
10 YEARS

It's just not good and that's all you need to know. It reuses 0's mechanics but somehow managed to downgrade them. The dogshit story should inform whether you buy the rest of Yakuza games, because they don't get better. 0 is an anomaly, the series is an utter clown show.

>>740280860
5 is awesome until women

>>740280746
Would you say kiwami 2 is better than 1?

>>740281084
Closer to 0

>>740281084
Depends on whether you like dragon engine (more physics based interaction) or not but the boss fights are kinda cancer in K2. I actually like spinning dudes into other dudes so I find it fun. The story is very stupid, retards will tell you the antagonist is the best ever but he's just a childish gorilla.

ITS SELFISH DEED

>>740280652
Are you retarded or something? Kiwami is a remake of a ps2 game

>>740281837
So? That doesn’t excuse the story not being good

>>740280652
The judgement games are the best games RGG have ever made

>>740280652
2 is a lot better

>>740280652
>The substories are boring, the main story is pretty barebones, the minigames arent as good, the OST isnt as good. It seems worse than 0 in almost every way.
You are playing a game with the first game in the series' story and substories coming off of the 11th game in the series. The OST isn't as good because it's a Kiwami OST and added electronics and dubstep for no reason. You should not and never have been expecting the story to be similar in quality because it took them a decade of iteration to get to the point of substory quality 0 had. Most substories are scams or filler. The main story has filler in it. 2 significantly improved on most aspects of 1's story but the substories are still mostly the same.

0 was an anniversary game meant for existing fans who played 1-5, Kenzan, Dead Souls, and Ishin, not an intro game. That's just a happenstance thing that it works as an intro game.

>>740280652
>0
The Goat
>Kiwami
Meh
>Kiwami 2
Good
>Kiwami 3
Ok
>4
Ok
>5
Good side content, garbage main plot
>6
Good
>Like a Dragon
Pretty good
>Judgment
Good
>Gaiden
Shit
>Lost Judgment
Good side content, meh main plot
Haven't played the others yet.

>>740280887
Chitose is like the worst rpg team mate ever. Purple nanba a very close second.

>>740285480
Lad is the only yakuza aside from 0 that has a decent plot.

>>740285952
>Chitose is like the worst rpg team mate ever.
She's straight up the best female party member in the game due to her agility and magic stats. Females should be magic users or high in agility if you want to make any use out of them, the former so they can spam Bubble Bale, the latter so that they can spam Substitution Jutsu.
Saeko is the worst of the three girls because she's only really good in Barmaid with her 7* equip so she can Jewel Breaker everything and ignore their defense. Chitose and Seonhee get insane agility and can spam Substitution Jutsu by comparison allowing Kiryu and Ichiban to be their immensely broken selves.

>>740288130
She and han have broken stats. Nearly as good as kasuga. Nevertheless she's an insufferable cunt. I only have seonhee in my team and she's a night queen, same with eri. Both have acceptable attack for whatever reason. Nq has resistance to physical damage for whatever reason.
Seonhee wears those turbo soles and has ridiculous speed. Paired with resistance to blunt and gun she's literally undying. Killing an enemy heals her, if she somehow can't do so herself. Only kasuga is faster due to the broken football class.

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>>740288491
What are you talking about? Han is mediocre in 8, this isn't like 7. He doesn't have a good 7*, Hitman sucks, and in the other jobs he's mediocre. He's at his best as a Desperado and even that's so-so.
>I only have seonhee in my team and she's a night queen, same with eri. Both have acceptable attack for whatever reason. Nq has resistance to physical damage for whatever reason.
Why? Why are you even attacking with the women outside of magic attacks unless you are fighting story Amon in NG? Their damage output can't compare to Ichiban or Kiryu at all and require way too much setup. NQ also has awful moves. Housekeeper can one-shot entire groups despite not using an Essence if you use Bubble Bale, and if you swap to Geodancer they do crazy high damage in the 1v1 while also being great healers.
>due to the broken football class.
Linebacker sucks ass, I cannot imagine why you are using it. It heavily nerfs agility and has no good moves.

Ichiban should be in Aquanaut and I cannot understand why you would ever go Linebacker. Keeping Ichiban at full health is beyond easy, Aquanaut ignores defense, you can Relentless Dragon's Dance, and if you do that and use Essence of Friendship you deal 60% of Legend Big Swell boss' HP while one-shotting anything outside of the Big Swell. When you're not EoFing everything you just nuke them with the satellite.
Kiryu is broken in Action Star because it buffs his already high damage stat and he can just Essence of the Dragon King everything.
Seonhee is broken both as a Kunoichi (If you absolutely must agility stack and attack with her) and a Housekeeper even if her magic is lower just because of how ridiculous her agility is so she can just slam multiple water attacks at enemies that are weak to it.
Chitose is broken because of Violino Adagissimo and she's the only character who has access to something like it, has high magic, high agility, and can easily Substitution Jutsu. She's insane as a Geodancer and Housekeeper.

I am playing Kiwami 2
it keeps getting worse

>>740280652
Yakuza 0 is the best game in the franchise,
but rest of them are not "bad", per se.

However, the KIWAMI de-makes are ALL god-awful butcherjobs. The original 2005-2006 Yakuza 1-2 are FAR superior games, even with their era appropriate jank.
Remember: Y0 was the franchise's 10th anniversary celebration title, and the sixth title in the series.

>>740290997
>and the sixth title in the series
11th.
>1
>2
>Kenzan
>3
>4
>Dead Souls
>5
>Black Panther 1
>Black Panther 2
>Ishin
>0

>>740280652
>I'm on Chp. 4, and it seems much worse than 0.
It is. Most of the games are.
Y0 was a lighting in a bottle + a passion project.
All Kiwami versions of the old Yakuza games suck ass, and are essentially parody-tier "expansion packs" to the Y0's new legacy.

On that note, Yakuza 4 and 5 are superb, and start to feel more like Y0. Ironically, it helps that Kiryu has smaller and smaller role in those games.

>>740280652
Y2 (OG) is the best in the series.
Followed by Y0.
Y4 has a great ending but everything else is garbage.
All the other games in that franchise are pure garbage.

0 being the best is a gay ass take
It's a 7/10 Yakuza that does everything fine but nothing is great

>>740289070
I don't play as him, but he has nearly 700 att while level 80 or so. Kiryu has near 800 with level 99.
>vidrel
My kiryu is faster, so he can double his damage, too. Should be more than 10k, if the defense on legend isn't through the roof.
>han desperado
Ye, gave him that job, too. It just fits.
>why seonhee
Idk, she deals like 500-700 less than ichiban. Her extreme is quite strong and she has charm and fire as attack and lightning as night queen. Crits like stupid due to gear.
>housekeeper
No, I bang leather girls, not girls that act as help.
>minmax
Please, the game is easy af. No need to further trivialize it. I didn't die once on legend and was underleveled for the whole game. Didn't so a single side quest.
>agility
Ichiban has like 298. Linebacker is the fastest class, at least for boys. Ridiculous defense, too.
>big swell
Per definition easy as you can fight with kiryu and ichiban. Imo the strongest enemy in the game is ebina. Double turns and can attack party wide for 1500.
>kiryu
Have him as DD and action star as well. The latter has heal attacks, kiryu wasn't ever down.
>chitose
I only ever used attack or guard with her and purple nanba. I play with ichiban, kiryu, adachi as desperado host and seonhee as tennis night queen.

>>740292430
>Her extreme is quite strong and she has charm and fire as attack and lightning as night queen. Crits like stupid due to gear.
Yeah, but this isn't 7. Charm isn't as useful as it was because enemies die way faster, you have more to work with, and more enemies resist the status effects now.
>Please, the game is easy af. No need to further trivialize it.
We're talking about the game mechanics here and what works best. So many of the characters don't want you using them because of their terrible equips (Nanba, Adachi, and Eric) while others don't want you using them because of their stat distribution (Adachi, Han, and Zhao). If we're being serious here that's how you should be roaming around at endgame.
>>Linebacker is the fastest class, at least for boys.
What? It's like second slowest above Samurai last I checked.
>Ridiculous defense, too.
Yeah, but defense doesn't matter. On Normal you tank 5+ hits outside of story Amon and on Legend everyone dies in 3ish hits no matter how much you invest into it.
>Per definition easy as you can fight with kiryu and ichiban.
You can do that with anything at endgame if you go to PA. You can make that argument for any of the content.
>adachi as desperado host
You're talking about Chitose and Eric being bad but you use the perma-bench Adachi who has by far the worst stat distribution out of everyone and the worst 7*? and you're giving him a balanced class with primarily magic attacks instead of an attack or defense class? There isn't a worse party member in 7 or 8, he's truly garbage even though 8 tried to fix him. Everyone will go 2 turns for every 1 of his even if he's in Breaker, it's idiotic.

>>740290997
They never surpassed 0, baffling really.

If all of the other games besides 0 are just okay or good, should I not get them and keep replaying 0?
Are the spinoffs good?

>>740292719
Idk, except tfmt everything melts in two rounds. Haven't tried ichi and kiryu friendship special on level 99. Curious if it'll break 10k.
>adachi
Likely the worst character in terms of power in both games. He's slow af.
>football slow
Am bit at home, but The job boasts a 4/5 Agility rating says ai and plebbit, too. I didn't give him many speed boosters, as I only ever found mp ones. Ichi has 500 or 600 mp, lol.
>legend kills in 3 hits
That's bs. Adachi has resist everything and like roughly 600 def as host and can raise def. Sometimes he takes 80% less damage than others. Pretty sure even night queen can tank much more than 3 hits on legend. Name the enemy and I test it later.
>argument content...
Sure. In 7 you had at least the tfmt. 8is just easy. Should make a ichi only run.
>fucks bad
They are disgusting. Both stink of cheap fanservice. Vomit inducing. Adachi is fun, but objectively the worst combatant in both games. Still my #1 buddy.
>adachi host
For whatever reason he has much more magic than nanba as homeless chef. Decent def, too.
>8 tried to fix him
How did that turn out?
>stat raise via level up
Is it fixed? Somehow adachi gained quite a lot +5 magic during the last 20 levels or so. Shouldn't chef be high offense, like attack and magic?

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>>740292929
>should I not get them and keep replaying 0?
What? They're all fine, make up your own mind about them. Some are worse than others but they all fun for their own reasons.
>Are the spinoffs good?
Kenzan is a guide game unless you strictly follow the main story. If you want to do anything outside of that you have to use guides even if the game was fully in English. Story is solid until the last hour where the game ended at the penultimate boss fight. Gameplay is pretty rough due to nonstop blocking as there's no way to deal with it or turn it to your favor. Maps are pretty great with Gion being one of my favorite areas in the series, substories are solid, the setting is great, and it has in my opinion the most fun Amon.

Ishin is unbalanced and has a mostly mundane story but is fine. The overworld, setting, styles, and Heat Actions are its best parts. There is an English translation patch for the PS3 version, do not use the 60 FPS options in RPCS3 or you will break a lot of the game's mechanics and cause crashes.
Ishin Kiwami is an enormous downgrade over the original in every way and should not be played outside of curiosity if you've already played the original.

Dead Souls on a PS3 is an enormous slog. RPCS3 it's fine though prone to crashing. Devs did not know how to make a TPS and it just feels like running around with a gun in any other game shooting stuff. Story is nonexistent, substories are the series' worst, though Majima and Ryuji's parts are solid.

Black Panther 1 is solid but it's very grindy as money is almost impossible to get in it and everything needs money for upgrades while styles are EXP-hungry vacuums. 100% is the worst in the series by a country mile.
Black Panther 2 is an improvement in virtually every way to BP1 and its only major fault is the 100% which is probably the second worst in the series. Styles also still require a fair amount of grinding.

Judgment is great.
Lost Judgment is a bit unbalanced but great, story is mixed.

Lubber burret . Zero is the best game in the frani. Every other game sucks its eggy farts

>>740293182
>The job boasts a 4/5 Agility rating says ai and plebbit, too.
My PS4 Pro's decided to give me the middle finger on reading discs just now so hopefully I'll be able to check soon after it rebuilds the database, but as far as I recall it wasn't fast at all.
>Adachi has resist everything and like roughly 600 def as host and can raise def. Sometimes he takes 80% less damage than others.
Yeah, but it's like one or two extra hits taken in general on Legend. The problem is that you're using Adachi so you'll be hit two, sometimes three times before he can even move.
>Pretty sure even night queen can tank much more than 3 hits on legend.
I think you need defense and resistance accessories for that to happen.
>For whatever reason he has much more magic than nanba as homeless chef. Decent def, too.
Well yeah, Chef is now a physical job instead of magical. Host is also the best mage job so of course he'd get a higher buff to his magic from it than the mage character has attack on a physical job.
>How did that turn out?
He actually has a purpose on Normal now since until endgame there are enemies that can kill you pretty quickly so he can taunt and soak up way more damage, especially when in Linebacker. On Legend it's pointless because that's still Essence spam, but on Normal he has a purpose for most of the game.
>Is it fixed?
Yes. You get stat buffs from leveling up any job instead of needing to go to the job first to obtain it. It's why the start of 8's way easier on Legend than 7 was since 7 has to make it to chapter 5 for all the stats from the jobs. In 8 they're universal to the character.

>>740293995
Didn't you say you double checked?
>middle finger
Uh oh!
>adachi is slow
Sure is. Doesn't 8 force rounds, like even with low agility you'll get more rounds? I'll test it if you want. Imho the fast ones have double the rounds of him. Ichi has double rounds, like act twice in a row sometimes.
>resistance
Sure, class gives res and leg armor, too. Imo there are low and high resistance. Like those elemental charms, they have two versions each.
>chef
He's then useless, except for his fire debuff attack and wound opener that somehow reduces agility for three points, unblockable, too.
>ragw
Ye, I sued that in him. Footballer has two attacks or more that draw aggro. Maybe leveling adachi as linebacker gave him speed idk.
>essence soam
Disagree. It's much better than in 7. Due to grapple, knockback, weakness, statuses and follow up essence isn't always needed to keep damage up.
>stats
I meant to ask if there is randomness or static stat boost for each level up. If it's static, it's a weird distribution of points.
Curious if they will keep ichi. Somehow I can't believe that. While I like vf, it's bound to fail like all fighting games.

LaD is better than 0

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>>740294806
>Didn't you say you double checked?
Maybe when I was originally playing it but not recently.
>Doesn't 8 force rounds, like even with low agility you'll get more rounds?
It has some sort of weird turn system that I could never figure out in 7 or 8. I don't believe a character is ever allowed to have more than something like two or three turns before an enemy gets one (Barring using SJ) because an AGI 3 Seonhee will get two turns before Han or Chitose get their first, and then after they do their first she'll get another two once the enemy attacks. If you drop enemy AGI even once via Violino Adagissimo you'll see that someone will still get one turn even if they're slower, but your faster teammates will do stuff way more than the slower ones. Adachi is great to test this out on because you will go an entire rotation of the team twice before he gets a turn sometimes. Beast Kiryu is another one because you can legitimately go a full team rotation two times before he moves once to get out of Beast. I constantly had that problem in the early chapters on NG.
>Disagree. It's much better than in 7.
It's better than in 7 because the only Essences that hit every enemy are tied to Ichiban and Kiryu and you don't get the Wizard's Hats and War God Talismans until later in the game. The rest are 1v1s or AoEs you have to aim. On Legend you just spam Essence of the Dragon God or the nuke and then clean up with either Burning Arrow or Bubble Bale. WH + WGT is like 50ish or 60ish MP back every fight so it's essentially free. A lot of the skills that are 1v1 are more situational now.
>I meant to ask if there is randomness or static stat boost for each level up.
Pretty sure it's static at least in 7 because if you don't use the magazines everyone should have these stats with all jobs at 99. I don't see why 8 would change it.
>He's then useless
I had him in it for Ebina and it worked out fine.

>>740280652
It's nowhere near as good as 0, but stick with it op, it gets better. Yakuza 2 is kino.

>>740295474
I'll test later seonhee nq on legend big swell or amon. She will likely survive 5 to 7 hits.

>>740280652
k1 is mediocre, only salvaged by majima everywhere
k2 is good
3 is awful, the only good thing is okinawa vibes
4 is good

>>740280652
>I'm on Chp. 4, and it seems much worse than 0.

You have to keep in mind that Yakuza 0 came out way after the original Yakuza on the ps2. Yakuza 0 is basically way more refined and they mastered making a good story and combat.

Yakuza Kiwami is just a remake of the first game but it's not like they redesigned fucking everything from ground up. It was just a quick cash grab.

>>740298321
>mastered making a good story and combat.
They obviously didn't. Strange, really. Nearly 3 decades of experience and best case having like 3 good games.

>>740280746
>it gets gut wrenchingly sad
i dont remember this. it's a lot better than k2 thats for sure
i hope you dont mean Nishiki because he was written horribly. His ending barely even makes sense with the way the game frames it

>>740280746
No it doesnt lmao. Haruka is legit the worst character in this series I realized and 0 was the series peak because she wasnt involved in anyway. Same with 4 minus the rubber bullet shit and 2 is passable.

Will there be a kiwami 4?

>>740299131
Everyone fucking dies

>>740300647
No

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>>740280887
Why nu-kuza fans are so fucking gay (unironic)

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>>740297626
I'm a complete retard and just spent the past two hours troubleshooting why a PS5 disk doesn't work on a PS4 thinking my PS4 broke. Here's the comparison with all jobs at 99.
>Detective
168
>Host
210
>Breaker
252
>Chef
210
>Samurai
189
>Action Star
210
>Aquanaut
210
>Desperado
210
>Pyrodancer
210
>Linebacker
231

So you're right, I remembered it wrong. Maybe I was confusing it with Detective? I remembered Samurai being terrible correctly but man, I didn't realize Detective was that slow.

>>740295474
She dodged 13 of 13 attacks, likely due to her equipment or the speed soles somehow affect dodge. Big swell has level 95 enemies, 7 levels above the party. Adachi tanks three hits and won't survive a 4th. This will change if I level him 7 levels. I doubt I will anytime soon though.

>>740299262
0 close second lad. Judgment is it's own thing, very good, too.

>>740280652
>my favorite video game series is forever doomed to have clueless retards starting halfway through the series and then complaining about the budget asset flip remake of 1
what's worse is this retardation spreads like an STD. once one retard has made this mistake he'll be forced to cope and tell other retards what a good idea it is

FUCK Yakuza getting popular was such a monkeys paw

>>740300647
Yes. 4 currently cannot happen after K3's ending so there needs to be a K4 equivalent bare minimum. The ending does not allow it in any way as Hamazaki is not in prison to help Saejima and wash up shot on Morning Glory's beach to get Kiryu involved. Yokoyama said on a Ryusta TV interview that the "Kiwami" branding ends with K3 but they're going to continue doing remakes under a different name or something. The tweet that had this mentioned is taken down though.
https://x.com/i/status/2021267372179365951
That was the link to it originally, all that's left is it being mentioned in a Reddit thread when you Google about the subject. The Wayback Machine doesn't even have it archived.

>>740302328
>why a PS5 disk doesn't work on a PS4
>took two hours
You might consider putting the next points form your level up into intelligence or maybe even perception.
>stats
Is this agility? Breaker is that high?
>>740302991
Seonhee can tank plenty of hits, as she dodges everything.

>>740303226
>You might consider putting the next points form your level up into intelligence or maybe even perception.
The PS4 and PS5 boxes look the same outside of the white label and I wasn't paying attention to it at all. It wasn't until I sanity checked with PS4 games that I actually looked at the box and noticed the white label. Truly a retard moment.
>Is this agility? Breaker is that high?
Yep. 99 in all jobs, Adachi at 99.

>>740303067
You think they will make remakes? Idk, hard to imagine 4 and 5 as remake. Maybe the directors cut version. Could use 0's engine
Shiver me timbers, the thought alone to have a y5 dc in 0s engine.
When is stranger going to release? Vitrua fighter is due in 2027?

>>740303341
>Maybe the directors cut version.
DC wouldn't work at all. The story is changed significantly because Hamazaki is a Daidoji member and never went to jail for stabbing Kiryu. Saejima's entire section now doesn't work without tons of changes to exclude Hamazaki and Kiryu's entire reason for going to Kamurocho has to be redone.

>>740303323
>noticed the white label. Truly a retard moment.
Hey, I kek'd.
>adachi at 99? He has 180 as 99 host, but needs a couple of level ups to reach 99 character levels. Kasuga has 100 more. I think due to him having 2 jobs, hero and freelancer. Is big swell legend worth it? It's an atrociously boring slog. Same goes for michi and amon. Are they any challenge at all? I could even avoid aoe and summon.

>>740303460
You think they will make a new yakuza 4? Sounds like plenty of work. Then again, they tend to charge full price. I somehow doubt they won't fuck a new story up somehow.

>>740299262
Haruka was fine until the end of 5 and 6. Don't know why they had to do that.

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>>740303523
>Hey, I kek'd.
I think what caused me not to notice it was that my PS4 kept clicking and it sent me into a panic because I thought the disk drive was broken.
>Is big swell legend worth it?
There's not much of a difference. The minibosses are just slightly tankier so it takes longer to get through it, but anything you fought in chapter 3 on Legend is about as difficult as anything in there. The bosses are borderline identical to Normal, I noticed no difference.
You do want to go in there on Legend because you level like crazy on the final floors from the random encounters. Just entering the first floor of the last Sector, walking to a single encounter, and fighting it takes a job from like 30 to 70. Then doing around another five fights hits 99 as long as you had both JP items equipped.
>Same goes for michi and amon. Are they any challenge at all?
Nope, no difference. The Sentai crew is significantly more difficult on Normal and you can sleep through the Amons even if you avoid Poundmates. AoE might make them a bit harder but outside of some of the Michios hitting for I think it was 1200ish on lasers it's all pretty normal to what you're fighting outside.

Really, all the hard fights are on Normal. Normal story Amon is the hardest boss in the game but to even fight him properly you need to have completed the Hawaiian Haunt prior to him and then 100%ed both Hawaii and Yokohama before you meet him. I already felt underleveled doing it since he was sometimes going two turns in a row on me and that fight was where I realized Substitution Jutsu was mandatory.

>>740303893
Rip off dlc. I at least expected legend to be fun.
>normal is hard
I think so, too.
>100% dungeon before amon
Is that so? Can you beat the dungeons so early in game? I don't remember.
>vidrel
Shot by kiryu like the dog he is.
>normal
Is a ichi/kiryu solo playthrough viable? Amon might he difficult alone.

Adulthood is admitting Yakuza 0 is the best of the series and just because it was the breakout game and is beloved by everyone doesn't change that

>>740302313
yakuza 7 attracted the worst people to the franchise for whatever reason

>>740303893
I tried ultimate friendship on crown enemies. Two dragon dances exactly 8000. Kinda disappointing. Enemy and team are level 90. Expected much more. Did the same damage when I wasn't even level 70 on normal in the big swell. Bummer.

>>740304850
I don't believe more than one RDD stacks because the previous one erases the one you just did. It's a "Next attack does more damage" think and technically you just did an attack doing the RDD.

>>740305049
Two characters, I meant. Looks like it doesn't add much to the damage. Having one or two rdd online doesn't change much. One rdd leads to the ultimate friendship being stronger than without rdd. 8k is disappointing, as kiryu already does 4000 with his brawler style attacking form behind. Nanba 2700 with his knife essence and adachi does 1700 with some skill, ichi follows up and it nets 2300 in total. Odd damage formula. Damage goes down as level goes up. Tying damage to the absolute level is one mean scaling trick. Disgusting.

>>740280652
3 is worth playing because of the different vibe.
1 and 2 are pretty mid in general, kiwami or originals.
4 is worth playing because of the novelty/multiple protags.
5 is mid as fuck.
6 is mid.
7 is fine if you can tolerate the gameplay.
Judgement games are both pretty good.

People just love to hate on 0 because it's what made the series mainstream. But it really is the most polished experience in the series.

>>740305782
>yakuza would benefit from new faces, instead being a platform for famous actors and big brands
Change my mind

>>740305782
>People just love to hate on 0 because it's what made the series mainstream
Wring
0 made it mainstream is no problem. Mainstream bringing scum form all holes from this planet into it ruined the series. That's the sole reason why 0 is the last good yakuza.