ITT: Games that had a massive glowup that /v/ is sleeping onI'll start, World of Warcraft: Midnight is actually good now. In fact several influential streamers and content creators are saying that it's Wrath 2.0.Let's try to stay on topic. Other MMO discussion is welcome but XIV fanboys need to behanve.
It's shit, just like TWW was shit.>horrible class design, the worst i have ever seen, and this is saying something.>dogshit story (expected, it has been since legion)>boring ass zones>elf shit everywhere againt. someone that actually plays wow.I got to 3600 weeks ago and i quit, DF was the last good expansion gameplay wise and legion story wise.
>>740284252Housing flopped and didn't attract enough new players to cover the huge investment. Most neighbourhoods are barren wastelands. All the developers are being replaced with chatgpjeets. Microsoft is pulling the plug after The Last Titan. It's over.
>>740284252>World of Warcraft: Midnight is actually good now.I don't care if it's the best playing game that gives you literal dick exploding orgasms. I ain't playing that gay shit. I don't support fat faggot california devs.
>>740285487>>740285103>>740284628xivtroon falseflag
>>740285103This is probably bullshit but I chose to believe it because I always said housing is a waste of dev times and company resources.
>>740285516I played WoW from AQ patch to the last WoD patch. Go fuck yourself, you mazed faggot.
>>740285524There's just no time to do it in retail. There are just too many activities that you're basically forced to do to keep up. I think it would actually work better in Classic where Raid Logging is a thing.
>>740285103it might not have the 12mil subs of wotlk times, but surely wow is still extremely profitable for blizzard. this not to mention all the other mtx shit that has been added over the years. wow players are very ready to pay way more than just the sub in order to get cosmetics, boosts or buy gold.
>>740285620>There are just too many activities that you're basically forced to do to keep upwho is keeping a gun to your head and forcing you to play video games and who are you trying to keep up with.
>>740285516Falseflag my balls, faggot.
>>740285524Housing is almost entirely an RP thing, and its fucking thriving in that community. Guilds run all sort of events using the system, everything from dungeon crawls to casino nights.I've greatly enjoyed making a dwarf fortress, but it is definitely a time and gold sink of crazy proportions and combine it with the required spark of creativity that only whites seem to have and its definitely not an homerun for the majority of WoW's playerbase.
>>740285516WoW is full of troons, you even get banned for badmouthing them.
>>740286605a homerun*
>>740285103Housing is a feature for whales. Before their modellers could only make mounts and gear to be sold on the cash shop, now they can make literally anything and thousands of people will pay money for it. Majority of players won't give a fuck about it, doesn't matter, the ones that do are more profitable
>>740284252The clock is ticking retailtrannies
>>740286953The same faggots writing retail slop are gonna write classic + slop.
>>740284252>World of Warcraft: Midnight is actually good nowWrong. It's gay goyslop of the highest order. They have open contempt for their player base and any autonomy they should have. The story is a homoginized mess, much like most of the classes and the writing is fucking horrendous 'current day' shit from bluehaired screechers.Swear at someone? Banned. Game has a profanity filter by the way, that is ON by default, but if you turn it off and see a no-no word that upsets you? you can report the player because you chose to see the word.The social contract you have to agree to if you want to play? Vague bullshit so they can club you over the head with a nothing burger and remove you from the game, mute your account or suspend you for as long as they please.It's a live action game with a subscription AND a cash shop, where they outright sell gold to the player to beat out gold sellers instead of finding people who bought gold using RTM, they became the RTM.As a result any rating in any part of the game, PvP or PvE can be bought by someone with enough income regardless of their skill or knowledge.Housing is boring and a timesink where again, gold is king and you can just swipe a card to get what you want.For an RPG it's barely that as you dont have any choice in anything outside of faction and class/spec. Nothing you do affects the world. The fact that the oldest version of the game saved it by bringing in old and new players tells you retail is fucking awful.WoW is a clusterfuck of bad writing, poor choices and a mazed playerbase.
>>740285629>but surely wow is still extremely profitable for blizzard.Whales. Not raw playerbase numbers. Whales who only play wow.I have a friend, hes 40, makes decent cash, has no kids. The only game he will play is WoW and he buys 2 tokens a week because he 'doesnt have the time to grind /farm'The sad part for me, is I got him into warcraft before patch 1.6 and I'm out and he's still stuck there. His steam account has like 3 free to play games and he has under 20 hours in each.
>>740284252>In fact several influential streamers and content creators are saying that it's Wrath 2.0.>Wrath 2.0
Retoilet status?
>>740286953The same blue haired screeching landwhales and cock sucking gigafags and their enablers are gonna be the ones writing this. Classic + is a terrible idea, it's just gonna ruin what people love about classic. Stop giving Microsoft, Blizzard and Activision money until they do something worthy our time, effort and hard earned cash. They hate you, they openly mock you and you keep giving them your time, energy and money. Stop being a fucking retard already. There are other games. Don't hit me with a sunk cost fallacy either.
>>740284252Nah. Dragonflight was the peak of WoW. TWW was a minor step down and Midnight is a big fuckup:Preys floppedHousing flopped Apex talents flopped 2/4 zones aren't even connected to the world Harandar is cut content from TWWHaranir race doesn't even have new animationsAddon apocalypse is a complete disaster and keeps getting worse by the day Class pruning and balance are terrible Dungeon/raid balance is still fucked (+10s are trivial for most players, Mythic raid is inaccessible for most players)Crafting/embellishments are still bland Between spark catchup, catalyst catchup and bonus rolls it's trivial to max out your gear, which encourages metaslavery because it's too easy to reroll, no attachment to your main anymore 12.0.5 will go down in history as one of the worst minor patches of all time, all of the new content is minigames and it introduced hundreds of bugs >>740286953They already made Classic+, it was called SOD and nobody played it. >REAL Classic+ has never been tried!
>>740287028>>740287330Wrong, Blizzard assembled Team B (for Based) to handle all of Classic+, unbesmirched by the opinions of women.
>>740287462>SoDThat was Retail+
>>740287028guarantee they'll use NONE of the amazing stuff the other private servers did. Will be a light restructuring. Will be surprised if those stupid fucks keep weather effects.
>>740287485[Citation Required]Is that because they're all Trannies and think they're men?
>>740284252Name a game that had glowing purple as a design element and not been fucking garbage
>>740286953As much as I would like for Classic+ to release and for it to actually be like an expanded Classic and obliterate Retail, there is a very, VERY high chance that Blizzard's Classic+ is going to be a Retail+ is SoD is even a remote indication of what their """Classic"""+ is going to be like.
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>>740287272what the hell do you need 2 tokens worth of gold for every week?
>>740287462>Dragonflight was the peak of WoWStopped reading right there. Might as well just say you're a queer.
>>740284252>Let's try to stay on topic. Other MMO discussion is welcome but XIV fanboys need to BEHAVEWelcome to 4chan.
>>740286605>>740286717No doubt there is a not insignicant audience willing to pay big bucks for luxury decor. On the other hand it's a novelty and gimmick for another part of the playerbase, since these players only really care about the numbers on their character power going up.
>>740287694I asked, he said to save time. He plays WoW 3-4 nights a week for 4-5 hours a time. It's his only hobby. He even got a second account to store gold because he hit the cap at one point.Every expansion he just dumps all that gold into professions and makes a tonne of it back.
>>740287779right, so its an incremental game/factory simulator thing for the guy. seeing number go up and getting dopamine from that. still makes zero sense to buy tokens if being a gold goblin is what he enjoys about wow.
>>740287272>2 tokens a weekAt least make the lie believable. Nobody can spend 700k gold a week.
>>740287846He mostly does PvP stuff on 2-3 classes, but he mains 1 class for an expansion then has 2 alts that fit the meta. He's such a good guy and he isn't shy to share his gold with people who randomly ask for gold in chat, but man, he'd be much happier in other games. I think it's just a sunk cost fallacy thing with him.
>>740287319What does ironforge poop smell like?
>>740287846It doesnt make sense because that anon is making up some story to feel superior
>>740287919I didnt say he spent the gold. I said he has the gold so he doesnt have to farm. If you wanna call me a liar, you need to have better reading comprehension.
>>740284252>I'll start, World of Warcraft: Midnight is actually good nowGameplay goodGraphics goodZones good Dialogue rapedLore rapedCharacters raped Only classic+ can save all the raped elements of the game but overall the expansion hasn't been terrible... except for >>740287462 preys as anon said but thankfully I didn't have to do them for long. Everything else I don't really care about because I'm pretty casual and the highest key I've done this season was +16, and I'm playing arms warrior.>>740287462>it was called SOD and nobody played itCorrect because you can't call classic+ "Season of Classic+" because i will not play it because I'm not interested in anything that isn't a long term commitment from blizzard.Also housing is good if you have friends
i heard the simplified the classes in this expansions because casuals were getting filtered
>>740288113How does a friend of mine spending money he doesnt have to spend in a game i no longer play make me feel superior? I'm actively saying he'd be better off in other games. Im using him as an example of why WoW still makes money, not from number of subs but from whales that spend all the damn time. I've been actively saying the game has been shit for years and I'm glad I got out and I'm sad my friend didnt. He's dropping all that IRL cash; sub, tokens, cash shop transmogs and mounts, and he could be spending it elsewhere. Other games, other hobbies. I'm saying hes mazed and im sad about it.
>>740288129>I'm not interested in anything that isn't a long term commitment from blizzard.That's okay, because you really aren't missing anything. Season of Discovery is literally Retail+.
>>740284252im not even sure human hands typed this bait, let alone yellow or brown ones>story is at an alltime lowpoint with LIGHT BAD, the windrunner retardation, turalyon humiliation ritual, the haranir horseshit lore, sylvanus reappearing, void entities being boring clownfiestas and defanging of the Amani>lets not forget the unification of the Elves mongoloiud campaign where the Horde fails to show up wehen one of its members is being invaded, but ELVES make their way just so they can have the rainbow well>housing is largely abandoned sans the store getting bombarded by exorbitantly priced packs>the onslaught of minigames and weekly activities, prey, diving, decor hunt, void assaults, void ritual sites and others are all milquetoast low effort content meant to pad out gametime>no substantial changes to shake up either m+ or rated pvp, both are the same mazes>the reworked quelthalas zones are chokefull with mobs, there is no comfy or roleplaying avenues on most of the landmasses except the weekly activity hubs, but everything looks soulless and too fucking busythe two things ill not shit on is raids and the soundtrack, both have some highlights and I actually like how they made 3-4 separate raids rather than one big one you have to slog through every weekmotherfuckers should be iterating oin and improving what already exists in the game, but they lack the talent to actually do better than their predecessors, hence they just churn out shit their interns brainstorm about
Only Boomers play WoW Twenty years and they are still playing this garbage game
>>740288343Any attempt at Classic+ will have to cater to the toxic casual dadgamers, who are really not at all interested in an attempt to try to capture what the game was actually like back in the mid 00s. These people primarily care about how easy and covenient the game is, since they are very serious adults with responsibilities, and the game is gonna have to be designed around that. What they really want is a raid simulator with a chatlobby attached, into which they can log in once a week for exactly 90mins and be sure of getting the best gear the game, even if they spend that time being halfway AFK or drunk. Increase mechanical complexity of dungeons and raids? No, I just wanna CHILL. Add incentive to press more than one button in your class "rotation"? No, I just want to CHILL. Introduce more difficulty options to appeal to the more hardcore? No, I just want to CHILL (and get the best gear). Create reasons to go out in game world and do things? No, I just want to CHILL (and raidlog and buy gold).
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I'm having a lot of fun on Tera Classic.It's crazy how the Korean nailed the classes kit, they aren't that many buttons but every single classes play completely different and have their own flavors and charms.
>>740288343if anything the anniversary servers prove that you "you think you do, but you dont" was pretty on the money
>>740288573People care you braindead donkey, that's why they hate on the gay dumpster fire that once was a good game they used to love. Kys.
>>740288573if you got into wow in your teenage or young adult years, there is a big chance it will live rent free in your head for the rest of your life, even when you arent actively playing it.
>>740284252Its the most boring and sterile xpac so far. And I thought, nothing could beat DF in those departments.>Angry female elves>Angry elves with many voice>Angry angry>Stupid males
>>740285668I quit the game of course. But that was the problem with Retail WoW. It's simply impossible to enjoy the game because you have to do unfun things in order to enjoy the fun parts.
>>740288862The anniversary servers prove that Retail players have started playing Classic for some reason and they want Retail cosmetics and conveniences.
>>740289281what the anni servers have proved is that the audience has changed into toxic dadgamers who want the game to change in order to be easier for them to play. why would a retail player (here understood as someone who never played wow back in the day) go over and play on the anni servers? the problem is exactly that the niggas that played back in Vanilla and are back now want the game to change to be an easier and less complex retail, because they dont have time to play.
>>740289281because casual is good its just archaic and needs to updated to appeal to modern audiences
>>740289417>why would a retail player (here understood as someone who never played wow back in the day) go over and play on the anni servers?I have no idea, but that IS the case. I'm not theorizing, I have gone over to the Anniversary servers. They're filled with Retail players. In fact, SoD is filled with Retail players too. I have no idea why they're playing Classic modes instead of Retail, but they are. It's not speculation, it's a fact.
>>740288573When did I say I dont care? The game is in an awful state, the writing is terrible, the balance is abysmal. Id love to keep playing, but i wont when its this bad.
>>740289425>modern audiencesModern Audience™There is no such thing. There is a reason there are movies and books that are decades, even centuries old in the case of books, that are still loved today.
>>740284252>In fact several influential streamers and content creators are saying that it's Wrath 2.0.Their livelihood and new lambo hinders on WoW staying relevant you fucking moron.
>>740289272can you try to give some examples from when you last played retail?
>>740284252Hmm, no... I shan't be playing world of LGBTcraft OR final trantasy. Both of your life sims/grooming simulators should be banned from being posted on this board.
>>740289873Start of Midnight. Levelling was fun but then you get to the daily quests, prey, M+. Ugh. Gearing up doing only raids seemed impossible or at least extremely slow.
>>740289578the offensive thing about retail to casuals is that the skill ceilling is so high. sure, you can be a dadgamer and press the one button thing in lfr to have the game shit out some purples for you, but then you know that out there in the game is someone who is better than you and who got rewarded for it with BETTER purples. this is extremely distressing for the casual. as I said in >>740289417 the low mechanical complexity, low skill ceilling and no difficulty levels from classic paired with the convenience of retail is the perfect game for casuals.
>>740287694He's a paypig and gives it all to men pretending to be women on Moonguard.
>>740290067Classic doesn't really only require one button except in some raids.And, in general, I think Classic players would prefer a system that is based on resource management, buffs, debuffs and crowd control rather than attack spams that take several buttons instead of just one or two like you have in Retail.
>>740284252If you are gay or trans or a furry, WoW is the game for you. If you are not gay, not trans, and not a furry, then as a general rulse, you do not play WoW. Simple as.
>>740289281Because retail became the "theme-parkiest" theme-park there is.>Everything is marked with a timer on the map>Timer in dungeons>Timer here, timer there>Event here and event there>World is just fly from world-quest to world-quest>World is overfilled with stuff and objectivesSometimes, I ride in the barrens and enjoy the "empty" area
>>740290208>And, in general, I think Classic players would prefer a system that is based on resource management, buffs, debuffs and crowd control rather than attack spams that take several buttons instead of just one or two like you have in Retail.what about the play on Classic and now on Anni servers suggest to you that "Classic players" want this? Classic and Anni has been a giant exercise in getting through content as fast as possible so you can raidlog. also>a system that is based on resource management, buffs, debuffsas long as they can swipe for it sure. the clown shit about classic is that consumable are such HUGE part of your characters power.
>>740290369Because that's how it worked in Vanilla. And also TBC.Classic just needs rebalancing because they made the instances too easy by whatever means.
>>740290012has gearing up only through raids ever been faster in the past? there are more avenues to speed up gear acquisition now, but you are annoyed that you cant just raid get the same level of gear? one of the good things about modern wow is exactly that you dont find yourself in the situation that your only upgrade comes from the dice roll once a week in a raid.
>>740290475>Because that's how it worked in Vanilla. And also TBC.that's exactly my point. it worked like that in Vanilla and TBC, but the people playing now on Classic and Anni severs have demonstrated they DO NOT want that. blizzard WILL cater to them over vanilla purists. >Classic just needs rebalancing because they made the instances too easy by whatever means.this again happened because the casuals on the Classic and Anni servers complained to no end. they dont want to have to try or git gud. they want to log in and get purples by pressing one button while watching something on the other screen.
>>740284252Can you make your FANBOY thread less FLAGRANT next time?
game generals for 6 year old retarded trannies belong in /vg/
>>740284252No playable Nerubians, no buy.
>>740291015knowing pozzard they'd give us playable the dogshit nu-rubians from the woman within
>>740290012>options need to be removed because I dont have the time for themBy far the worst case of brainworms that WoW players have.
>>740291119NEETranny exclusive games are not a sustainable business model
uh oh another XIVtroon melty
>>740284252>I'll start, World of Warcraft: Midnight is actually good now.I am playing since Cataclysm, pre-ordered Midnight and cancelled my sub, it's shit
>>740291684>second tranny game out of nowherego eat your soi based buff foods wowtroon
>>740284252>diablo 3, but 5 manNo thanks.
>>740287319>not dropping logs directly on the sidewalkngmi
>>740292393t. blizzard customer support
>>740292449Not falling for your tricks, witch of the loo.
