Which one do you choose, anon? And why?and which one do you think Bethesda will actually pick, as the winner for the sequel?
>sequelwe are getting a prequel in niggerland as punishment for not buying enough starfield copieselder scrolls vi CAN be good, but you must replyTODD-SAMA I LOVE THE NIGGERS
>>740293708Bethesda will kill off the Aldmeri Dominion off screen and the Empire will lift the ban on Talos worship. Whoever won the civil war won't matter as the Stormcloaks will disolve and rejoin the Empire
>>740293814Redguards are Arabs. Todd is making a based and replied experience if redguards killing the high elf’s (kikes) to resonate with gamers
>>740293708I believe Kohlmann wanted to do an "Empire Strikes Back" sort of narrative for the next TES game, where the Empire got the upper hand, instead of being on the backfoot.Curious what they'll do now, since their former loremaster is gone.
>>740294023Kuhlmann*
>>740293708I'll always support the Empire, founded by a fellow Dragonborn.
>>740293708Depends on the character I play, you don't actually minmax this game do you?
>>740293708Dragon Break, both won.
>>740293957The more you read about Redguards and Kirkbride, the more embarrassing they become.
I didn't choose either. I played as nomad stealth archer. I pirated the game on 11/11/2011 and played it for few days and didn't like the game. Been thinking about getting a new PC for VR stuff so I might give the game a new chance in VR.
>>740293814I will be playing a breton and becoming lawerence of hammerfell.
>>740293708Stormcloaks because the Imperial armor is a massive downgrade from the cool guard armor in Oblivion. Absolutely disgusting.
>>740294705>retarded WoW plate instead of Romanesque kino like in Morrowind
>>740294023>where the Empire got the upper handWrong empire anon, the Dominion was going to be the group that won, with the set up being for a ROTJ plot with the Empire making a comeback.
>>740293708>Which one do you choose, anon? And why?Stormcloaks, because the Empire no longer protects it's subjects, they have completely abandoned them out of fear.>Which one do you think Bethesda will actually pick, as the winner for the sequel?Neither. Skyrim and High Rock will be independent, due to events that happened before the start of the game. There will be no mention of Stormcloaks or Ulfric, just that there is a new High King of Skyrim and that he is doing stuff.
>>740293708i always go the ceasefire routeits cooler than the absolute bottomtier rushed quests of the civil war
>>740293708THE REACH BELONGS TO THE FORSWORN
>>740294604>gets assfucked by Thalmor
>>740294883Yes, that's it. I misremembered.
>>740293708Empire has been in decline for every game in the franchise, Talos himself literally appears in Morrowind telling you the empire is finished.>hurr which side will win
>>740293708They're both Jewish. The only way to go is kill all of them everywhere.
>>740293708I have about 2000 hours in total in Skyrim across multiple versions and have never done any of the fraction quest lines.
Biggest sin was not adding a "Yes Man" route. It's either side with the Thalmor lap dogs, or the delusional retard.
>>740293708>Which one do you choose, anon? The Empire>And why? Because of the Roman Aethestics mostly and the fact that a united Human front to shit on the Aldmeri is better than allowing the realms of men fall one by one.>which one do you think Bethesda will actually pick, as the winner for the sequel?It will fall into a cold war noone will win this war
>>740296241>either side with the Thalmor lap dogs, or the delusional retard.You could have also sided with the Empire. Ulfric was not the only option.
>>740296435Not much of an empire when both the Nords and Redguards tell you to fuck off.
>>740297258>the Nords*Some* of the Nords. It's called a civil war for a reason.A great majority of the Imperial regiments in Skyrim are levied from there; any legions from the other provinces would only leave them exposed to the Altmerian Dominion.
>>740295608No he doesn'tHe tells you maybe it's time for a changeHe also appears in Oblivion and possibly Skyrim
>>740294410But that Dragonborn told you the Empire's time was up two games ago
>>740293708>he thinks Todd & Emil are gonna respect the civil war in Skyrim 2
>>740296413I used to think the Empire was needed for fighting the thalmor, but now I'm not so sure. The redguards already showed that it's possible to beat them back as a single province. In terms of birthrates, humans mop the floor with the Altmer, so it's better to restart the war sooner than later. We just need the provinces to form an alliance for times of war.
>>740294705Oblivion was the downgrade, thoughever? Empire was always Romans, Todd just forgot for the one game he used to LARP his LotR fantasies.
I’m falling in love with Serana bros
>>740298254No he didn'tAlso Reman Cyrodiil wasn't in Morrowind>>740298627>RedguardNo they didnt>In Hammerfell, General Decianus was preparing to drive the Aldmeri back from Skaven when he was ordered to march for Cyrodiil. Unwilling to abandon Hammerfell completely, he allowed a great number of "invalids" to be discharged from the Legions before they marched east. These veterans formed the core of the army that eventually drove Lady Arannelya's forces back across the Alik'r late in 174Hammerfell is still also fucked and partially occupied by the time of Skyrim
>>740293708Thalmor because they are based and want to escape the kalergi shitskin matrix created by yiddish trickster god
>>740298389>Ulfric>RacistFor a racist he tries surprisingly hard to ensure actual race riots don't erupt in his city despite having the second worst race in the whole setting shitting up his city, and has been shitting it up for centuries since their arrival. The Windhelm Nords have kinder words for the Argonians than they do Dark Elves. But they're Dark Elves, so this isn't racism, this is pest control.
>>740298769It's a shame she won't marry you.
>>740295608If there was a game for the Empire to disappear it was Oblivion. It took place in the Empire's home province, started with the death of the Emperor from the last three games, and ended with the death of the last of his bloodline, Skyrim offered a 200 years timeskip... yet they not only didn't get rid of the Empire, they created an Empire 1.5 with the Medes and gave them two centuries of history. Don't know what they had in mind when they wrote Wulf but thinking they're gonna get rid of the Empire in TES VI after not only going out of their way to keep it alive after Martin but also making a big deal out of the player possibly directly fighting for it during the civil war (which was originally a much bigger focus of the main quest) is bizarre.
>>740297258>RedguardsThe Redguards the Empire helped fight the war? >"In Hammerfell, Lady Arannelya's attempt to join Naarifin's forces had been foiled by General Decianus, who stopped her advance at Skaven. When he was ordered to reinforce the armies in Cyrodiil, he was torn between his obligations to Hammerfell and the Empire. As a compromise he discharged much of his army as "invalids"; these would become the core of the armies that would continue to defend Hammerfell, and thanks to them would lead Arannelya and the Dominion to believe that the Imperial Legions were still pinned down in Hammerfell"
>>740293708There is genuinely 0 arguments to join the empire if you're on the side of Skyrim or humanity. Empire fags do not deserve to speak, every single word out of their mouths is a retarded lie that has been debunked thousands of times already. Only join the empire if you're a full on empire sell-out, or want the Thalmor to win.
>>740298953The Empire in Skyrim is a byzantine one. It's an empire coasting on its laurels while being picked apart by the new rising power in the world and it simply doesn't have the strength to really stop it, just stem the tide for a time as it continues to die slowly.
>>740298869 >cannot into the walking waysAhahaha stupid goyimer faggot
>>740298627>The redguards already showed that it's possible to beat them back as a single province... so long as that single province has aid coming from the Imperial Legion lmao.
>>740293708I feel Bethesda will just make it unclear and ambiguous as to which side won since thats seemingly what they always do when explaining what endings/choices from previous games were canon
>>740298869That would make the thalmor anogalous to islam. They believe that when the world ends, a guy called Mahdi shows up and brings everyone to heaven. So they want to destroy the world to bring about the coming of Mahdi faster.
>>740299098>as it continues to die slowlyAny day now, it's only been 23 irl years and 207 in-universe ones since Morrowind. The Empire will still be around for TES7 and we both know it.
>>740298953>Skyrim offered a 200 years timeskipBethesda really needs to stop doing this. It raises questions about why technology isn't improving.
>>740299132Anon, the majority of the Legion in Hammerfell departed for Cyodiil to repel the elves. The number that "defected" to stay in Hammerfell was far less than you're suggesting. The Empire needed as many of its legions in the heartland just to retake the Imperial city in the battle of the Red Ring. It's less an example of Imperial might and more Elven hubris to think they could wipe out their biggest political enemy in one swoop and going well outside their original mission parameters.
>>740293708The Empire is the clear choice, but unfortunately third-worlders have gotten it into their head that Ulfric represents Trump so he's le based, when Ulfric in reality is just a retarded manchild that desperately wants to have his name written in the annals of history, so he'll literally drown Skyrim in misery just to achieve that. The Thalmor weren't even paying much attention to the shit happening in Skyrim before Ulfric made a huge stink and then killed Torygg just to big dick him. Stormcloaks are a net negative on Skyrim, and Ulfric's people live in a shitty slum of a city.
>>740299082>t. Ulfrinsolas Aldmerias Nord patriot of Riften oblast
>>740298389Again, Empire fags are degenerate liars and should be banned from the internet for their retardedness and gaslighting. Igmund is a Thalmor lapdog who fully approves of his father selling off Ulfric to the Thalmor and blames HIM for refusing to die in a cell, and he's a useless retard who controls nothing in his city. Idgrod rules jack shit, she's an old mentally ill bitch concerned more with her dreams than her people, it's mere luck that something coincides once with her schizo dreams, and if you can't get loved in decades on the throne, you must be a really shit leader. Maven as Jarl presented as good, fucking kek. Balgruuf is an evil piece of shit, he fathered a bastard and all 3 of his kids are assholes, he screams at every single one of his advisors, he's a coward who took the chests of gold and shut the fuck up, being so despicably spineless even Proventus calls him out on being a bitch. Brunwulf is a literal antifa terrorist racial agitator gaslighting the dunmer into naming him Jarl to gain power. Kraldar is a weak senile useless Jarl, Korir isn't very smart, but he's much better.
>>740299180You say this like TES franchise offers lots of choices to the player.Only for Daggerfall is what you are saying close to true and even then it wasn't left ambiguous at all. They made it quite clear ALL the choices happened. In regards to everything else generally the player never has any choices and anything that is possible for a player to have done happens though they don't necessarily declare the player character to have been the one to do it.
>>740293708Sorry, Ulfric will never not be a fucking useless egotist retarded that had already lost by the time the game started and needed a literaly Time ending dragon appearing from a wound in space continuum to not be executed at Helgen. More than half of Skyrim hates his guts, and his stans are a bunch of bald grandpas clinging to "le glories of old". Stormcloak, more like Stormcuck.
>>740299284You just made up all your info, nowhere does it say anything along those linesWhat it tells us is>he allowed a great number of "invalids" to be discharged from the Legions before they marched east. These veterans formed the core of the army>great number>core of the army
>>740299237>It raises questions about why technology isn't improving.Not really.First, this is a universe with magic.Second, why didn't Africa or America ever develop any technology? It's not a given that technology will be developed. The only race that has demonstrated an inclination towards developing technology in TES universe is gone.
>>740299406The Thalmor were there to try and save him too though, surely that makes his plight better!
>>740299237The First Era was 4249 years before Oblivion, an extra two centuries is spare change.
>>740299459Core just means they were the basis the rest of the rebels would be trained to emulate, not that they were literally the entirety of the rebellions forces. No one likes the Thalmor, not even other Thalmor. It's not hard to convince people to go kick an elves teeth in.
>>740299082You know other than being captured by the dominion, treated like their bitch until he told everything he knew, which was worthless information, before they released him telling him that his information was crucial to their victory over the Empire. All of his actions after that make sense if you think of it in terms of him trying to reclaim his nonexistent honor.
>>740299401Yes but it's also the same for the Fallout games made or handled under Bethesda, they almost never make it clear as to what endings and outcomes were canon. So I feel like the same mindset may apply for TES 6
>>740293708StormcloakBethesda will pick Neutral and have the Dragonborn be a tyrant that was cut down trying to rawdog the Summerset Isle
>>740299284the legion was present during the dominion's initial invasion whether you like it or not. and a good chunk of the legion stationed in hammerfell stuck around to repel the elves at skaven. that was thanks to the commanding general there tho, naturally the cyrodiils wanted every available soldier sent back to the heartlands to get the imperial city back.tl;dr it was the legion forces that took a brunt of the initial charge by enemy forces. the redguards didn't defeat the dominion, they just made an open conflict too costly long-term, so the thalmor go back to their whole cloak and dagger tactics to take hammerfell down. oh, and they devastated the southern half of hammerfell before they left.i still don't understand why people still believe hammerfell is some big beacon of resistance against the elves. the altmer traditionally have the strongest navy, that alone makes hammerfell vulnerable as fuck. they could just drive the redguards into the alik'r desert and leave them to die of thirst and hunger like they did with the legion.
>>740299406Pretty much. Tulius would have executed him, and that would have thrown a massive wrench in the (((Thalmor's))) plans.The woman that forced your execution dies anyway, so the argument of "The Empire tried to kill you" is entirely useless.
>>740299574It doesn't mean majority and I never argued it did. A great number is significant to mention though, and core does mean basis. It's more like it's the bedrock of the army, the army revolves around those men. That is a massive factor.
>>740298932>what are mods?
>>740299497What is reverse engineering? Other races would be looking at the steam tech of the dwemer and getting ideas. And besides, who says magic and tech can't be combined?
>>740299180Depending on when the next game takes place they don't even have to mention it. As of Skyrim we don't even know who is currently ruling Hammerfell, for example. Likewise if TES VI is 10 or 15 years after Skyrim, how often do you think would it naturally come into conversation who won a civil war in a different province a decade prior?
>>740299608Leaks say the writers really want the Thalmor to win.
>>740299390Go to sleep Ulfric, the grown-ups are talking.
>>740299758True
>>740299787Kuhlmann did but they're not doing that and he left the company anywayHim leaving is another major warning sign in itself though
>>740293708>Morrowind says everything got time paradox'd after (you) stopped playing Daggerfall>Oblivion says everything got worse for Vvardenfell after (you) stopped playing Morrowind>Skyrim says everything got worse for Cyrodil after (you) stopped playing Oblivion >TES 6: Neverever will say everything got worse for Skyrim after (you) leftThe Falmer will rise up and all the nords will be trapped in their holds under siege or the Thalmor will cast a spell that turns the entire country into ice or sinks all the mountains into the Sea of Ghosts or the Dragonborn will give into their draconic nature without (you) there to pilot them and they'll dominate the country and reinstate the dragon cults. Whatever happens, Bethesda will make it so that it doesn't matter what happens, a new status quo will make the civil war irrelevant.
>>740299741>What is reverse engineering? Other races would be looking at the steam tech of the dwemer and getting ideas.People have been trying for hundreds of years and failing.>And besides, who says magic and tech can't be combined?That's what dwemer technology is.
>>740299406It really is funny that the game opens with Ulfric's defeat. Tullius trained a bunch of farmers into shape and managed to capture and almost behead the leader of the rebellion and a literal deus ex machina was needed for the war to continue.
>>740299636>The Redguards didn't beat the Thalmor>The Redguards successfully beat the Thalmor, making their original conquest mootThese 2 things cannot exist at the same time anon. The Redguards did in fact repel the Dominion off their land. Did they have (former) legion assistance? Yes, and I won't argue against that point, but it is a fallacy to claim they did it entirely dependent on the assistance of a now foreign power that was under agreement to a diplomatic treaty intentionally designed to hamper it in any way possible. If we should be arguing about anything, it's why the Emperor agreed to such a hilariously one-sided peace agreement after successfully beating back all the expeditionary forces in Cyrodiil shortly before the peace negotiations began. The Dominion was in a horrible spot to negotiate anything, so what the fuck happened? Is Titus Mede the REAL Dominion asset?
>>740299817>Ulfric: deliberately hired a man of the people to tell him what the common folk think, with express orders to never be a bootlicker and always give his honest opinion. He is never shown losing his temper with anyone but Elisif the Thalmor bitch who tortured him. If he loses the war and is about to die, he accepts it with grace and dignity.>Balgruuf: a manchild who screams at every single one of his advisors (+ the Dragonborn if you oppose him) in seething tantrums. If he is about to be exiled, he makes impotent threats at you, refuses to consider any of your points, and goes on an insane schizo-ramble "what if Ulfric spreads his rebellion? WHAT THEN??!!!" (what the fuck do you even mean what then?)And normalfags will pretend the latter is a wise role model and the former an enraged dimwit.
>Most of the Legion is tied down on the border with the Aldmeri Dominion. The Emperor can't afford to risk weakening Cyrodiil's defenses. From the Imperial City, our war here is just a sideshow. An interlude before the main event against the Thalmor resumes.>let's stab the empire in the back!!!
>>740299954>diplomatic treaty intentionally designed to hamper it in any way possibleexactly, AFTER the military aiding had already happened. the thalmor got thwarted by their arrogance when the conquest of hammerfell's south went so smoothly that they thought that they could just conquer the entire empire right there.>The Dominion was in a horrible spot to negotiate anything, so what the fuck happened?the empire was in a much, much worse one.>The entire remaining Imperial force was gathered in Cyrodiil, exhausted and decimated by the Battle of the Red Ring. Not a single legion had more than half its soldiers fit for duty. Two legions had been effectively annihilated, not counting the loss of the Eighth during the retreat from the Imperial City the previous year.and there were still dominion forces in southern cyrodiil, too. only the aldmeri who got trapped within the imperial city were wiped out.you sound like a skyrim noob. did you only play it recently after it's 5490385230th release, or are you just a lorelet?
>>740299954>Is Titus Mede the REAL Dominion asset?I mean he looks like the merchant, so...
>ulfricuncooperative "asset">empirecooperative assetneed I say more?
>>740300105>ElisifElenwen.
>>740299893I really wish people started thinking for themselves instead of copypasting shit they read on the internet without thinking about it>Morrowind says everything got time paradox'd after (you) stopped playing Daggerfall And that made things better, not worse. The Iliac Bay went from a danger zone with dozens upon dozens of warring states to four settled kingdoms with friendly relations with the Empire. The Empire did nothing but benefit directly from the Warp in the West.>Oblivion says everything got worse for Vvardenfell after (you) stopped playing Morrowind But that's factually untrue? Nowhere in TES IV is that ever stated, it's actually the opposite. The Tribunal losing their power made the Empire-backed Hlaalu shine and the Empire itself gain more of a foothold on the province. Again, as of Morrowind's direct sequel, the Empire did nothing but benefit directly from the Nerevarine's adventure.*Skyrim* was the game that established everything going wrong post-Oblivion Crisis. Skyrim is the game that came up with the Red Year, with Black Marsh invading Morrowind, with Ocato's murder and the Empire's collapse, with Mede's rising and the Great War. This revisionism over TES III stating TES II spells doom for the Empire, or TES IV states TES III wasn't incredibly fucking beneficial for Uriel VII is wild.
>>740298848He was. If you know you know. And Reman Cyrodil didn't found the 3rd Empire
What side would a wood elf dragonborn choose, asking for a friend.
>>740300154What turns most people's heads is the knowledge that there's a whole army of legion soldiers on the southen border, just waiting for the ice to clear before they reinforce the skyrim garrisons.
>>740293708Stormcloaks because I support the Thalmor
>>740299954>so what the fuck happened?The nobles got very afraid once the deaths and destruction weren't just statistics but actually hurt their homes, killed their servants and families. So they immediately sold out the entire Empire to protect their own asses, not caring one bit about the people. And the Thalmor rewarded them for it, as while the people are starving, being attacked by bandits so much they flee the country like Camilla Valerius and her brother (you will never hear imperialfags mention this) and entire cities are burned to the ground, the nobles are having lavish parties with Thalmor officials.>>740300382Indeed, my bad
>>740300428They probably wouldn't choose a side.
Skyrim was released in 2011 where racism was the big issue to worry about If Skyrim was released today where even leftists are waking up and going "Hold on, Israel and their puppet state America are evil" would Imperial still be the correct choice by default because they don't have a city defined by being racist to dark elves?
>>740293708fuck niggers
>>740300105>If he loses the war and is about to die, he accepts it with grace and dignity.he insists on the dragonborn killing him because it "will make for a better song". even in death he cares more about becoming some legendary figure than anything else. truly the shittiest character in the whole game along with delphine.
>>740300442Average Imperial supporter's reading comprehension
>>740300105>He is never shown losing his temper with anyone but ElisifThe whole reason the civil war happened was because he lost his temper in a mad grab for power and decided to Shout a dude that idolized him to death.
>>740300559Damn straight, legion bro.
>>740300596Oh, we just making stuff up now? You hearvthat Tullius wears lipstick and prances around in dresses?
>>740293708>which one do you think Bethesda will actually pickThe Thalmor. You'll find Nord refugees that'll tell you the civil war went on for decades, both sides won then lost it all several times and both Ulfric and Tullius died early on. Skyrim becomes a ruin and the empire an exhausted rump state. Whoever you help loses after the game ends, all three outcomes are canon.
>>740299954How can you argue about positions of strength when neither us nor Titus had any knowledge of the AD capabilities at the time? We do know however>Not a single legion had more than half its soldiers fit for duty. Two legions had been effectively annihilated, not counting the loss of the Eighth during the retreat from the Imperial City the previous year. >The terms were harsh, but Titus II believed that it was necessary to secure peace and give the Empire a chance to regain its strength. >No part of the Empire would have accepted these terms in 4E 171, dictated by the Thalmor at swords-point. Titus II would have faced civil war. By 4E 175, most of the Empire welcomed peace at almost any price.
>he supports a Thalmor assetYikes!
>>740300462based. h*mans have sullied tamriel with their existence for way too long as it is.
>>740300670I'm not interested in your suppressed fantasies, Ulfric.
>>740300596Yeah. Sad part is Ulfric could have just talked to the guy. Even when fighting him, he could have just not cheated and way more people would have accepted the result.It is a stupid way of choosing leaders, through. A good leader isn't necessarily going to be the best fighter in the province. 'Might makes right' leads to boneheads being in charge.
>>740300420No he literally did not say that, Wulf isn't secret esoteric knowledge he's crazily on the noseHe says maybe, MAYBE it is time for change in relation for the emperor and empire getting old
>>740300414A quote from The Great War, as it appears from the game, "Titus II led the assault from the north, personally capturing Lord Naarifin. It is rumored the Emperor wielded the famed sword Goldbrand, although this has never been officially confirmed by the Imperial government. An attempt by the Aldmeri to break out of the city to the south was blocked by the unbreakable shieldwall of General Jonna's battered legions.In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed. The Emperor's decision to withdraw from the Imperial City in 4E 174 was bloodily vindicated.Lord Naarifin was kept alive for thirty-three days, hanging from the White-Gold tower. It is not recorded where his body was buried, if it was buried at all. Once [sic] source claims he was carried off by a winged daedra on the thirty-fourth day."It wasn't just the forces occupying the Imperial City that were destroyed in Cyrodiil. ALL forces were destroyed. Even in the same book that describes what happened to Hammerfell, it mentioned that the only real lasting success the Dominion had there after they lost even that foothold on the mainland was that the people of Hammerfell have no lasting love for the Empire that effectively abandoned them to a foreign power. As for the White Gold Concordat, the realization that the Empire still had an army whereas the Dominion simply didn't meant that even battered and bruised that put them in a better position strategically as rebuilding half of an army is far easier than rebuilding a whole army. I know the real reason is so that the plot of Skyrim can happen, but it's such a big dropping of the ball narratively that it feels like a really big plot hole that never got addressed.
>>740293708I choose to stand with Whiterun.
>>740293708It really was unfortunate that redneck hillbillies are your only option for taking care of the subverted empire
>>740300865That's just the point though. He doesn't mind one way or the other. It's the way of things. So saying you'll preserve the Empire for his sake is nonsensical.
>>740300957Based Imperial bro.
>>740300805How many billion times are retarded leftist shills going to spam this anti-Ulfric bullshit? "Muh talk" you absolute nigger, the very source for that claim tells you 2 sentences later that Torygg would have NEVER left the Empire, he was a weak-willed cuck who let his advisors rule while he wasted the people's taxes on his wife, and his advisors are all imperial shills lining up their pockets."Muh cheating" has been debunked a billion times, no one in game even mentions the shouting as being the source of the issue, the empire doesn't recognize the duel as valid period. This is egalitarian mental illness from literally communist redditors to justify hating on a Nord leader taking back his country.>It is a stupid way of choosing leadersIt's not at all how leaders are chosen, proving you're a faggot who knows jack shit and is shitting up the thread on purpose. All the duel did was force Torygg to step down if he lost or abandoned, it did not make Ulfric high-king, it just called for a new election by the Moot.
>>740300793Then why do you a boner right now?
Stop posting Legends artwork
>>740300871It doesn't say the Dominion no longer had an army, and it took 5 more years for them to be pushed out of an utterly destroyed Hammerfell (again with legion forces still present)You are trying to apply retroactive meta knowledge FYI, how the fuck is the Emperor supposed to know what they Thalmor have left, they just tell him what's what? All he knows is his armies are fucked and he just pulled off a counter offensive that'll give him bargening room
Skyrim belongs to the Nords, simple as.>but Ulfric is retarded!Okay, so what? Let the Nords depose him then and figure it out among themselves.
I hope the n'wahs all kill eachother in their stupid war and stop expecting me to pick a side, I hate both sides and both sides do not hold any of my interest in mind, in fact my quality of life WILL get worse.
>>740300961>T. gay gr*yskin
>>740301084He's beyond such things, he's Talos, he's also in Oblivion trying to get you to LARP as a madmanRegardless how do you know the change isn't Sean Bean becoming a dragon and the Medes taking the throne? That's a new empire, its rocking the boat, its new.
>>740300871>ALL forces were destroyed.it just says that the main army within cyrodiil was destroyed tho.>In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed.there were still aldmeri armies in cyrodiil's south left who likewise tried to counterattack the nords.>Jonna's troops faced bitter resistance as the Aldmeri counterattacked from Bravil and Skingrad.if the thalmor had called their hammerfell forces to head to cyrodiil, link up with the remaining armies there, and fuck the imperial legion up for good - they may have won, even if it only led to a phyrric victory.that's why the thalmor decided to meddle in skyrim to fuck up the nords, use their brawn against them. it's all preparation for the next war. balgruuf said it best,>These Thalmor might not like to admit it, but as long as the Empire has Skyrim, the Empire has strength.
>>740301149>thinks about other people's imaginary boners through a computer screen Ulfric...
>>740301230N'wah heil Pelinal
>>740301308Also they only got to meddle in Skyrim because a man decided to me a very open and loud political statement demanding they be allowed to worship Talos (even though they could already so fine because nobody was enforcing that)
>>740301314Newfag
>>740293708Bethesda are either going to completely ignore the war or give the win to the empire because they sure as shit don't have the balls to give the win to the problematic nationalistic white boys in the current year. Even though a stormcloak victory would make for a more interesting overall story due to having another player on the map, rather than just going back to the status quo whoch would make the civil war completely irrelevant
>>740293708Ulfric is bitchmade so imperial
>>740301434We don't sign our posts around here, Ulfric.
None of you low IQ retards can discuss this thing without just superimposing your personal politics onto the setting, characters, causes and story of the game.Frankly, I've yet to see a single person on any platform do this and be able to detach it from the game.
>>740301531Literally every post you make is signed, Anonymous
>>740301439>having another player on the mapStormcloaks struggle to battle an under equipped army of local conscripts, what makes them think they'd unironically be able to battle the Dominion forces without being utterly BTFO? Your average Stormcloak wears a city guard gambeson and uses an iron axe.
>>740301427yeah the nordish low IQ makes it too easy to take advantage of them lel.>be thalmor>tasked with fucking up the nords, who are the legion's backbone and must be decimated before war round #2>incite a civil war thanks to a retard thanks to the concordat>the nords kill each other>a brutal winter, hunger, and rampaging bandit groups are killing nords>fucking DRAGONS appear out of nowhere to kill nords>some thalmor war veterans get to kidnap and kill nords for fun under the pretense of fighting against t*los worshipngl it's a good time to be a thalmorfag.
>>740293708>Dominion see Ulfric as an asset for destabilising and dividing mankind You'd have to be a literal retard or pro Elf to side with that fag
>>740301620There's no discussion to be had. The Empire has always been good for Skyrim. I see nothing to suggest that the Empire will not go to war with the Thalmor again in the near future. It is better to not have a knife at your back when your shield is at your front. From a long term perspective, Skyrim's civil war ending in the Empire's favor is the best outcome. If you want to be bullish, you can argue that the empire will just completely collapse anyway and Skyrim will be independent again in the future.
>>740301620empire vs stormcloaks threads inevitably descent into tamriel/pol/.
>>740301308You keep bringing up Bravil and Skingrad, but that passage in the same book comes before it mentions the main army was destroyed. Hence, those forces were also destroyed, so yes, there were no Dominion forces left in the province after the Battle of the Red Ring. So yes, the Elves didn't just lose their "main force" they lost their WHOLE force in the province and whatever they had left in Hammerfell was it, and they were as we both agreed already pre-occupied trying to put out fires by insurgent forces in the area and failing at it. Whether the elves would have won the fight then and there, I think it could've been possible, but aiming for the capital might've been the worst decision they could've made. Doubly so when the Emperor escaped the initial encirclement and left to rally the remaining Imperial Forces. It unironically localized their forces into one place so that the Empire could do to them what they did at the initial siege.
>>740293708An independent Skyrim would be a TOG client state that plays into thalmor hands either willingly I don't blame him, fascist elf pussy is tight or unwittingly. Either way he'll bleed Skyrim dry and case it to go into economic collapse and create the conditions for endless civil wars and balkanization.The empire might still be weak, but it's sill ethnically nedic it has every reason to continue resisting the Thalmor the white gold concordat is shit paper they're only pretending to honour untill the next war comes. I pick the Imperium. Canonically the stormcloaks win so fagthesda can hand ethnats a humiliation ritual in the next game.
Thalmor is a stand in for the Chinese, Nords is EU while the Empire is America, Redguards is Africa. Wood Elves is SEA, Dunmer is India. Orc is Russia. Argonians is Israel and Bretons Middle East.
>>740301947Do you speak English?>main armyQuite specifically means primary, if it is primary it isn't alone, it would not be specified to be the main army if it was the sole makeup of forces
>>740300805Yeah Ulfric's not just aiming for an independent Skyrim, he specifically wants to be High King. He has his men swear a personal loyalty oath to him which identifies him as High King, and he discusses with Galmar his intentions to bypass the Moot. These aren't the behaviours of someone who merely wants Skyrim's heritage to be respected, they indicate personal ambition. Dude suffers from a "my way or the highway" approach to everything, he consistently chooses the options that bring him the greatest attention and influence no matter the collateral damage to others such as openly campaigning for the repeal of the ban despite it attracting even more Thalmor meddling to the province, or his killing of Torygg rocking the nation and kickstarting the war. It doesn't take a Thalmor dossier to understand his actions are exactly what benefits the Dominion, and even people on the Stormcloak side know it:>"I'm no man's fool. I know Ulfric Stormcloak's selfish and power-hungry, but he's the devil I know"
>>740301841All empirefags are shills and trolls.>I see nothing to suggest that the Empire will not go to war with the Thalmor again in the near futureExcept for 25 years of full on submission, then when a civil war erupts solely because of their submission to the Thalmor, the empire chooses to sacrifice an entire generation of soldiers into a bloody civil war to enforce total Thalmor victory, something that almost gave them access to the Eye of Magnus and the secrets of Stalhrim, when they could have very easily let the Stormcloaks take over with a secret deal to use Skyrim as a base of operations away from Thalmor eyes. If the empire chose to exterminate the Nord army, going so far as to enact full on bolshevik dehumanization propaganda (while stormcloak soldiers talk about freedom and the ones they've lost, imperial ones almost always talk about brutally murdering stormcloaks, their mind is filled with nothing but rabid subhuman hatred and bloodlust), then it's obvious it doesn't plan to oppose the Thalmor in the next 20 years at least. "Just 50 years of submission at minimum, trust the plan".
>>740293708Stormcloaks, TES is not a setting that adheres to realistic logic, the Gods casually intervene in human affairs directly. Choosing to abandon the patron God of humanity and the Empire is a fantastic way to ensure your human Empire simply cannot last.
>>740302043>Argonians is IsraelDeeja's khazar udders...
>>740301841This is easily countered by how long does the Thalmor get free reign on Skyrim until the war happens? How many of your sons, cousins, fathers, daughters, mother's, husband's and wives do they need to torture with the governments backing before you fight back?The equivalency would be if Chinese agents had complete free reign and government backing to torture you. You walk past a house hearing the screams of the tortured and the police stops anyone from getting close, the agent points at your brother and the police drag him into the house to be tortured. All with the blessing of the government that controls you and takes your taxes.Would you be tolerating it because your government MIGHT go to war with them in the future?
>>740293708the strongest argument for stormcloak policy is "two more weeks" posting from empirecels while the elves systematically dismantle everything about imperial lawnever trust a leader who waits for opportunity to strike, opportunities have to be created
>>740302073When the mention of any Dominion forces stops after that section of the book, evidently the writer didn't know what main army meant.
>>740302102I think lorewise whiterun is an incredibly important province for agriculture, not to mention skyrim is important as a whole, you can't miss out on those taxes, mines, materials and soldiers. If they just gave up the north and allowed Ulfric to rule you bet the empire would be loosing half its spine. Best case scenario he shuts the borers and goes "not my problem" worst case is he joins the elves and strikes the imperial city on two fronts.An independent skyrim is logistically intolerable.
>>740299390I agree with a lot of this, but Balgruuf isn't evil lol. He's still an overrated sellout faggot tho.
>>740301947>those forces were also destroyedthey weren't. they were only fought off. and that hardy brawn that the nords displayed during the battle of the red ring made the dominion's military leadership seethe so hard that the thalmor had to implement a policy in the white gold concordat that they knew would fuck the nords up in the long run.keep in mind that by the time the events of skyrim happen the war has been 40 years in the past and cyrodiil still hasn't recovered. camilla valerius in riverwood tells you>"I came here from the Imperial Province, to work with my brother Lucan.">"It got bad back in Cyrodiil. The war with the Thalmor ruined... everything."
>>740302083>but he's the devil I knowDoes anyone actually say that, or are you making stuff up? I'm pretty sure the word "devil" doesn't exist in Skyrim.
>>740301685After winning the war they immediately start planning to rebuild the country and turning it into the powerhouse it used to be in the old days? I'm not saying they can go solo the Dominion, I'm saying it would be more interesting to have another independent nation be part of the larger conflict instead of just repeating what they've already done story wise
>>740302253Shit you mean stuff stops getting mentioned at the epilogue of the book?
>>740301841>"I see nothing to suggest that the Empire will not go to war with the Thalmor again in the near future"I mean the game outright tells you repeatedly:>The terms were harsh, but Titus II believed that it was necessary to secure peace and give the Empire a chance to regain its strength. --- There can be no doubt that the current peace cannot last forever. The Thalmor take the long view, as is proved by the sequence of events leading up to the Great War. All those who value freedom over tyranny can only hope that before it is too late, Hammerfell and the Empire will be reconciled and stand united against the Thalmor threat>Most of the Legion is tied down on the border with the Aldmeri Dominion. The Emperor can't afford to risk weakening Cyrodiil's defenses. From the Imperial City, our war here is just a sideshow. An interlude before the main event against the Thalmor resumes>Skyrim's days are darkening, and the Legion will soon be called into service like never before. But we stand ready, as always, to meet that call>The ordinary citizen will be happy to get back to life as normal, to have their families return home. And they should enjoy it while they can... I suspect all of Tamriel will again be called to arms in the not too distant futureHell, you know how the Thalmor refer to The Great War? 'The First War Against the Empire'. It's not exactly subtle.
>>740302206Why would Tulius even need to wait the dragonborn is right fucking there he could single-handedly nuke Summerset off of Nirn.
>>740302390It doesn't matter how many times you quote the in game sources about what happened in the war, or the current prep for war 2.0, 15 years after release niggers don't careIt's painful
>>740302351https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dengeir_of_Stuhn#Dialogue
>>740302102>>740302196Except how many Thalmor raids were there before Ulfric started the civil war? How many Nord lives were lost to torture and conspiracy and Jarl bootlicking to Thalmor justiciars? How long have the Thalmor really cracked down on Nordic culture and religious rights and beliefs? Ulfric and his damnable Stormcloaks are the reason for all of this.
>>740302440>The last DB solos the thalmore off screen and Summerset isles don't exist in tes6kino
>>740301620It's mostly lorelet redditors that think Ulfric = Orange Man.
>>740301427The Markarth incident wouldn't have happened without the jarl of Markarth requesting Ulfric's aid in the first place, they're just as responsible for the elven gestapo roaming Skyrim as Ulfric is
>>740302440If you're using the dragonborn as an "I win" card then that applies just as well to the stormcloaks
>>740302520Is it mentioned literally anywhere that he made his demands for worship before dealing with the foresworn?
>>740302532It applies to the dragonborn ffs there should be a option to rule Skyrim yourself.
>>740302196>how long does the Thalmor get free reign on Skyrim until the war happens? How many of your sons, cousins, fathers, daughters, mother's, husband's and wives do they need to tortureYou mean the Thalmor that only appeared in Skyrim after Ulfric shat his pants publicly over the Talos ban?>"It's from that treaty that ended the Great War. We didn't pay much attention to it when I was a boy - everyone still had their little shrine to Talos. But then Ulfric and his "Sons of Skyrim" started agitating about it, and sure enough the Emperor had to crack down. Dragging people off in the middle of the night... one of the main causes of this war, if you ask me"There was no elf presence in the province until Ulfric fucked around.
>>740302470>"You think some Emperor sitting on a gilded throne in Cyrodiil is going to know what's best for Skyrim? The Imperial City's so far from here, it might as well be on one of the moons. And yet the Empire thinks it can tell us what to do an' how to live. I'm no man's fool. I know Ulfric Stormcloak's selfish and power-hungry, but he's the devil I know. Does that put it plain enough for you?"I see. It must have been a writer's slip to acknowledge the existence of the devil in Skyrim.
How come simperials keep missing the game's obvious hints that Skyrim has become a weak, dilapidated, confused, and corrupt shithole under the Empire?On the one hand you've got the modern Nords - they're uh, yeah, Imperials but a bit taller I guess? Then on the other you've got these ruined monuments to the Nords' glorious past all over the place, telling the story of a once strong and powerful race, and books that tell of Nords hunting elves for sport, driving one of their races to nigh extinction. You get the impression the old Nords would make mincemeat of the current Aldmeri Dominion. Then you close the book and look up to see a patrol of gestapo elves escorting a Nord to a Cyrodillic fort turned torture prison, all with complete impunityUlfric is a far cry from the Nords of old, he is of course himself is a symptom of the times, but he is clearly on a mission to reverse the trend, to activate the Nords and make them strong again. That was the entire point of the Torygg debacle. The "High King" of Skyrim was the literal, physical manifestation of the absolute state of Skyrim in the 4th era.The game tells you all this in its visual narratives, if you would only look instead of listening to dumbass NPCs. Wanna defeat the Aldmeri Dominion? Let Nords be Nords.
>>740302638The current jarl talks about it if you question him. Ulfric had taken the city back from the forsworn and when the imprerials returned, expecting him to just hand it over, he demanded that they keep their end of the deal before allowing them into the city
>>740302897Ah right well yeah Markath leadership aught to swing in a noose too then
>>740302830>writer's slipwho did you think the thalmor followed?
>>740302329The empire doesn't have to abandon the resources, just the technical claim to ownership of the province so they can justifiably tell the elves "nothing we can do to help you there, truly sorry". Any actual imperial government that would want to fight the elves would make a good deal with Ulfric, knowing he would not refuse to strike the elves when the time is right.>>740302335He doesn't try to be actively evil, but he is solely responsible for Whiterun not tolerating the passage of any army, provoking thousands upon thousands of deaths of soldiers and civilians due to the conflict lasting so long. He buries his head in the sand, goes drinking at the tavern unguarded, refuses to listen to any advisor, doesn't take care of any of his kids, has a bastard child, somehow had the 2 women he had children with disappear with no explanation, and he was planned to escape the town by swimming through a secret passage but it was cut due to time constraints. He's a piece of shit in every possible sense of the word.>>740302486Ulfric started nothing, you're relying on the testimony of a single stupid blacksmith who knows nothing about anything. Ulfric liberated a town from the Forsworns, and in exchange was betrayed to the Thalmor. 25 years of total submission to a hostile country that bans your own religion and builds literal death camps on your territory is not justifiable, fuck the empire and fuck every empirefag, every single one of you just hates Ulfric for being Aryan, if this was Hammerfell, every single one of you r*ddit commies would be screaming Heil Wakanda.
>>740302845The Thalmor control multiple providences and and have martial prowess. No single empire province alone can stop them, and you know for a fact that Ulfric wouldn't co-operate with other providences to fight the Thalmor. It seems like the Empire the only chance.
>>740302830Just assume it's a colloquialism for daedra.
>>740303008The 8 elven gods.
>>740302678Active DB ruler is the only way I see independent Skyrim working. Especially if his shouts are scaled up to actual lore implications. Animal Allegiance and Storm Call alone makes him capable of an agricultural revolution. Slow time means there's potential he could introduce a local temporal lag allowing the people within areas of skyrim to develop at a faster rate than outside his influence. Obviously nothing needs to be said for his individual combat prowess, or his ability to spread that power to others via shouts like Battle Fury, or call dragons are areal artillery. But his voice can spread through time and space and dimensions with ease. One could imagine he could death note half the Thalmore leadership with Marked for Death.
>>740302830Morrowind has some devil weaponsProbably refers to daedra
>>740303042>It seems like the Empire the only chance.>The one who actively fights hostile provinces trying to genocide his people isn't a a real fighter, the one who has actively taken thalmor dick up the ass for the last 25 years and is murdering his brethren to get 25 more is a real fighter!I hate you fucking gaslighting faggots so much. All of you are either lying or utterly ignorant. Go back to fucking reddit and stop shitting up this board.
>>740302997I should be clear that I still think Ulfric is a retard for sperging out about the ban too openly, but I do want to be fair to him and say that he is not the only one responsible for the Thalmor being in Skyrim, like so many Empirefags like to claim he is
>>740303019>knowing he would not refuse to strike the elves when the time is right.They don't know that though, no one does, and then you're at his whim of deciding that the time is right. He's already demonstrated himself willingly or unwittingly complicit in thalmor schemes. They could just feed him false intel preventing him from joining the imperials until its already too late. The man's an idiot.
>>740301427The Markarth Incident happened while the ink was still drying on the White-Gold Concordat. There wasn't some long span of time where everyone was just secretly worshiping Talos, it was a few months where a Nord militia was running a city in absolute chaos before finally an Imperial Legion showed up. The idea that the Thalmor wouldn't concoct some other random affront had the Markarth Incident not occurred to justify intrusion into the Empire is stupid, it was the Empire that had to grow a spine and engage in brinksmanship while the Thalmor were getting mulched in Hammerfell.
>>740303194Insane baseless schizo-babbling.>The man's an idiot.Based on fucking what you absolute nigger? If he was black you'd suck his cock all day. By every single metric he is wise and intelligent, stop repeating retarded r*ddit propaganda from NPCs who never met Ulfric in any way and just observe the man and his actions. What kind of idiot specifically chooses to hire Jorleif full time to give accurate reports on the feelings of the people and always tell him the truth? Ulfric is objectively the wisest, most intelligent and strongest Jarl out of all the ones we've got. Stop your leftist "NUH UH" based on jack shit, go back to your fucking homosexual hugbox subreddit you invading swine.
>>740293708Empire, because Tullius is a bro and Ulfric's retarded. It's clear he has deep internalized shame from breaking during Thalmor interrogation and being led to believe this led to the fall of the Imperial City, so as a result of that he projected a lot of his own guilt and shame on to the Empire, causing him to break from it and start the rebellion. His subsequent usurpation and murder of Torygg being a way of "regaining control" and self-esteem after the trauma. He's a 45yo kid playing at being a grown-up.
It's a shame this thread has the one (1) Stormcloak schizo that spazzes out at every single other post.
>>740303371Stop seething you autistic sperg.
>>740303516They need at least one defender.
>>740293708Dragon brake. Both, the imperial and stormcloak endings are canon
>>740303516>>740303543>>740303549Discord tranny raid in between 2 self harming sessions and talking about their daily suicidal thoughts on their servers.
>>740293708I went with Stormcloaks, because it's more satisfying to take over Skyrim that way. You are fighting against a superior force. You have also more unique people on your side. Ulfric Stormcloak is competent, but also visionary. For him this is a fight for destiny and can end not just in death, but with his spirit broken in the afterlife. Tullius is just a bored bureaucrat doing his job, while being overworked. Also the Stormcloaks are the only hope for Nords to ever become as based as they were in the lore again. If they stay under the Empire, they will just continue to degenerate. With the Stormcloaks it's at least possible they might eventually rediscover their voice or create warbands, which ravage Breton or Dunmer land. Also it's just narratively more interesting to escape with the people, you were imprisoned with, listen to what they have to say, make up your own opinion of the same situation, but then ultimately come to agree with them, when you witness Thalmor patrols harassing you, making trouble.
>>740303179Nah I'm the same anon, being unwilling to see your oppositions point of view means there's 0 point in discussion anywayI used to be an outright Stormcloak supporter years back, though now I think Skyrim would have been better off if he'd got the axe asap
>>740294548To me the only really embarrassing thing about redguards is they literally made a spirit blade so fucking strong they literally cut their land in half and made it go down into the sea like fucking atlantis, so they had to flee.
>>740294461This. They’ll cop out and either do “Empire won but Skyrim seceded anyway after due to logistical problems in holding the territory” or “Skyrim was granted such wide autonomy in a compromise to only be a providence in name”.
>>740294846>>740294705The lorica segmentata was used not because it was good but because it was better than whatever the barbarians had and it was extremely cheap to make compared to chainmail, which was the top of the roman armor. Plate would be miles better than the lorica segmentata.
>>740303331Fair enough, but it being immediately after the treaty is all the more reason for Ulfric not being give the right to start up the great war 2.0Talk about brinkmanship all you want but playing the game of total war is a lot more risky when the crown is on your head
>>740303729>when you witness Thalmor patrols harassing you, making troubleIf you take a specific road right after exiting Helgen, you come upon multiple dead Talos worshipers and Thalmor agents. This tells you everything you need to know about the empire, they're genociding an entire generation of men solely so the elves can continue to butcher people everywhere they can for the mere sin of practicing their own faith in their own country.
>Our land is a rotten shithole. Kill me and let it die.
Any way, ways in which Ulfric is a retard>got caught>three times>Doesn't recognise the value of having the shezarrine align with his cause. Basically you should have been the Joan of Arc for his cause. >Doesn't recognize the symbolic value of the fucking crown of all things ( so much for muh tradition)>Doesn't care about winning over other yarls, actively opposes the Moot>Cares more about things playing out perfectly in his fantasies than practical resultsHonestly Galmar should have staged a Coup. He would have made for a far more formidable foil to Tullius.
>>740293708>Windhelm is a once great city built by the Nords. that is run down showing decay and ruins>Solitude is a newer great city that isnt ran down, with no Jarl because he was killed by his 1488 HH counterpart Jarl Ulfric for being a traitor to the (((roman))) invading forces that run a train on his widowed queen that is taking trade deals with the imperial legion why Windhelm is going into ruinYeah right, Skyrim is for the Nords. get out of here roman slut. its obvious that the true ending is that the Nords regain control over Skyrim, which is their true land. Jarl Ulfric had 100% vindication of getting rid of the retarded traitor to the white race supporting med tards.
>>740304196>invadingRetard, Skyrim is a founding territory of the Empire
>>740304259Retards don't even understand the meaning of a "civil" war.
>>740298953Rome wasn't built in a day, nor it fell in a nightIn oblivion you can see all the dilapidated and abandoned forts. Entire towns abandoned and the roads in the heart of the empire being completely abandoned to the point that monsters and bandits can just kill any traveler going by, and the only thing the empire can do is set a couple of horseback dudes to patrol the surroundings of major cities only while ignoring the decay around them.Anon, the empire have been efectively dead for centuries yet it refuses to completely rot away.
>>740295679Based
>>740293708It doesn't really matter because the Player Character being The Last Dragonborn means whatever choice he makes is the correct one. Any actual pros/cons to the stormcloaks/empire go right out the window when it's a fucking legendary uber powerful dragonborn calling the shots.
>>740304259if it was there land, then why are they just only occupying Solitude. respond without lying this time.
>>740298389Balgruf is a really shitty father willingly participating in Mefala’s schemes, and lore-wise his most well known trait is his anger issues. The only reason people like him is because he’s the first Jarl you meet in the main quest and he makes you Thane, but he’s not a good Jarl, and it would be better for Whiterun to have him replaced with the Greymane.
>>740298769>Daedric used goodsAnon, she got gaped by the lord of rape.
>>740298869Shalom
>>740304476Jesus Christ ESL nigger>>740304361They literally have half of skyrim on their side because it is loyal, they're not just in Solitude. Once again, it is a founding territory of the Empire. There since day one.
>>740293708>Which one did you chooseEmpire>WhyCharacter was Imperial>Who Bethesda will pickThird thing
>Sits on his lazy ass while imperials invade the territoryWHY SHOULDNT HE BE OVERTHROWN?
>>740299184Tikum olam, you filthy kike.
>>740300805>It is a stupid way of choosing leadersThe alternative is how the dark brotherhood questline ends, a placid fogey accepting his death without resistance. The society that seperates its warriors from its scholars will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.
>>740299082A Thalmor would have no reason to side with the Empire because they want the Empire to cease to exist. They win regardless of what happens.
>>740299584The kikemer didn't have in consideration the coming of the dragonporn, who's knees are so strong that he can crouch his way into their most defending position in skyrim, steal valuable documents and kill every single mossa... i mean talmor agent in the site without anyone noticing.
>>740304586It would be like Rome threatening independence from Constantinople and then some retard here saying that the Roman Empire was invading rome.
>>740304817Belisarius bros... why didn't he do it...
>Imprisoned, about to be put to death>His homeland is being taken over by outsidersAND YOU DENY THE RETURN OF THE KING? BAKA
>>740304778The dossier explicitly says a Stormcloak victory is to be avoided. The Thalmor want the empire to continue to exist, they just want it to remain weak but still in control of its provinces as long as they aren't fully allied to the Thalmor. A victorious Ulfric means the start of the end for the Thalmor, as humanity would get its pride back once again, and start building a huge army far from Thalmor eyes.
>>740293708Enough of this gay shit, real talk>Nibenese or Colovian?
>>740305039Colovian mogs hard.
>>740303776>I think Skyrim would have been better off if he'd got the axe asapReplace Skyrim with Cyrodiil and I'll agree. Skyrim itself would just continue to be a resource to be exploited by the Empire. The ore and manpower that Skyrim provides has always been essential for Cyrodiil. Without Skyrim there would be no Empire. Ulfric, or at least his ideals, is what the Nords need. Being vassals have completely destroyed their old culture and turned the country into a shadow of what it once was. An independent Skyrim returning to its old ways would be ideal for them, but a detriment to the Imperials as they would lose the complete control they had over the invaluable resources the province has historically provided.
>>740305039Colovian fur helm literally fell into my lap from the sky deus ex machina style. It's an epiphany
>>740305018>want the empire to continue to existNo they don't you fucking idiot, that's completely retardedStormcloak victory means the war has ended and consolidation of both sides begins, which is not ideal. They don't want the war to end, but an Imperial (their only threat and actual rival) victory and continued unity is obviously still a lot worse for them a province splitting offWhat level of reality are you operating on?
>>740293708The more interesting outcome would be the stormcloaks winning only to get their shit pushed in by the elf niggers. Turning Skyrim into a shitstorm of violence
>>740293708I don’t understand why Empire fags cite “racism” as the reason for being opposed to the Stormcloaks, when every race is racist in TES and racism is both the point & appeal of the setting. It’s this along with the fact that Tullius is openly racist towards his subordinates while Ulfric tolerates the Grey Quarter & Argonian dock workers to stay in his hold’s capital that’s the cherry on top.
>>740305018>obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in SkyrimIt says the opposite of what you claim. They want to avoid IMPERIAL victory, not Stormcloak victory.
This game sets you up to take sides with the Stormcloaks, and you are telling me the Imperial faggots are the right choice?
>>740305162>a nation they've already put in the groundwork for total submission winning is the worse result
>>740305018The dosser states that either side winning is undesirable. It explicitly states that BOTH an imperial victory is undesired as much as a stormcloak victory is. You are being blatantly facetious or are just too retarded to possess reading comprehension.
>>740293708I don't think the Imperials are wrong or anything but I usually pick the Stormcloaks because I think it feels more thematically satisfying. As for who Bethesda will say won the war in TES6? They usually don't like invalidating player's choices so they'll probably come up with some cop out to make it so neither of them won or lost. However the collapse of the empire has been foreshadowed since Morrowind so I don't imagine things looking good for them in TES6. They'll likely be on the verge of collapse at that point and the main theme of the game will be whether to help restore it or to abandon it and make something new.
>>740305137>An independent Skyrim returning to its old ways would be ideal for them, but a detriment to the Imperials as they would lose the complete control they had over the invaluable resources the province has historically provided.The oldest way any living stormcloak knows is the way of the voice and Ulfric shits all over it. What do you think he's going to suddenly dump tonnes of gold into the academy and bring back the clever men tradition? He makes absolutely no moves to get the Companions on side, and they're literally the genesis of nordic culture. uflric doesn't know any tradition and he's too proud to listen to any one who does, whatever" old way" he's going back to is literal fanfiction he made up in his head.
Why doesn't the game just let you kill Ulfric the moment you get a weapon?
>>740305479just use your fists retard
a skyrim with talos at their back will always be stronger than the empireonly retards think the empire has any chance after spitting on the only god that will care about them herea free skyrim is now the true empire, as they hold the only divine right of humanity
>>740305473>He makes absolutely no moves to get the Companions on sideThey're an officially apolitical organization, retard, and every member we hear talk about it supports the Stormcloaks, the Stormcloak Jarl is literally one of them.
>>740305169Nobody who cares about TES has ever cited racism as a reason against the stormcloaks>>740305310>the only state that can threaten them winning their civil war is badNo shit you inbred mongoloid, stop cherry picking text and actually apply your brain faggot
>>740305554Those don't work either.
>>740305608Can threaten, but won't. The zogpilling of Cyrodiil has continued for multiple generations by the time Skyrim happens.
>>740305018>>740305185skyrim fans are the dumbest gorilla niggers on earth
>>740305473>The oldest way any living stormcloak knows is the way of the voice and Ulfric shits all over itGood. Jurgen cucking his entire race out if their greatest weapon through a humiliation ritual was a mistake that would doom them for millennia.>believe the voice is a gift from your war goddess>use it for war but lose a battle against the combined Chimer and Dwemer forces >hmm, this must mean we're being punished for using this war gift from our war goddess to wage warI fucking hate Jurgen so much.
>>740305576Talos can't even be assed to personally show up in Skyrim, even though he did in Vvardenfell and Cyrodiil lmao
>>740293708>walk into solitude>clean and beautiful city>walk into windhelm>everything is idirty and n ruins, people are getting murdered every day, children forced to beg on cold streetsthe choice is obvious
>>740305576Akatosh is a bro, the dragonborn will fly over to the imperial city and declare himself the trueblood emperor.
>>740293708wasn't it confirmed the imperials won canonically? How would a divided empire even stand a chance against the pointy ears?
>>740305604>I love a good fight but I will never ever ever fight in a civil war I promise
>>740305915And it all culminates in Arngeir going>I won't let you use the no-no word, I'd rather let Alduin eat the entire world, words are violence you fucking warring chudLiteral death cult ideology.
>>740295340this, but unironically
Bethesda is going to pull a Fallout on TES factionsNone of them are going to win and all of them will exist at the same timeTES6 will have the Empire, Thalmor, Stormcloaks or regional equivalent, Dark Brotherhood, Thieves Guild, etc./v/ will lose their shit when Stormcloaks are active in Hammerfell and they're all Redguards instead of Nords, all of them being inspired by Ulfric to maintain a free Hammerfell from the treacherous Empire
I side with the Empire because I just don't like the snowpeople. They are a very unpleasant folk throughout the whole game and the Stormcloak leader is just as unlikeable.I would only support their succession on the condition that they be blockaded and refused the right to leave their province.
>>740306008Windhelm has the most non nord residents of any town in Skyrim.
>>740293708>Which one do you choose, anon? And why?Stormcloaks, I used to go for Imperials. I feel like the empire uniting again in the near future would just be the story going backwards. >and which one do you think Bethesda will actually pick, as the winner for the sequel?Largely ignore it or make it irrelevant.
>>740305730>is stationing most of their armies ready to fight>skyrim is described as a distraction from the main eventYou're retarded
>>740306603>/v/ will lose their shit when Stormcloaks are active in Hammerfell and they're all Redguards instead of Nords,I wouldn't mind if Stormcloak stragglers appeared in TES6, since half of Dragonstar is de facto part of Skyrim.
>>740306603would be hilarious to witness
>>740300734Fake. Ulfric would never
>>740307012Just 10 more years and they'll finally overcome their performance anxiety. Why so uppity? It's only another 20 years. You should be happy the Thalmor are getting defeated 50 years from now.
The Empire's so focused on the Altmer that no one will expect the Akaviri invasion that will force everyone to team up.>but the Thalmor believe they're better than everyone else!The Empire took all their holdings by force. They are literally no better.
>>740307118And daily reminder that Cyrodiil is in a worse state than Skyrim that's in a civil war. Cyrodiilic cities get burned to the ground by common bandits, that's how useless the empire is at keeping order. But eh, another 100 years of submission to the elves and it will be better, trust the plan!
>>740306008>accept a bunch of darkie "refugees" into your proud ancient city>it turns into a complete shithole within a few generationsWhat did Todd mean by this?
>>740307118Nigger you're talking about total war between nations, not your autistic anxious fits about about leaving your houseYou literally cannot conduct a real argument
>Reachmen want to secede>"NOOOOOO!!!!! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!!!!!">Ulfie Stormcuck wants to secede>"W-Well, you see, it's different because *words words words*"Why are snowbacks like this?
>>740307828Reachmen are daedra-worshipping manlet mutts so it's fine to take their stuff
>>740298389Brunwulf is the Skyrim equivalent of a millenial redditor that owns a safe edgy restaurant, and voted for Hillary in 2016
Ulfric was captured. I can't put myself behind a leader who can't avoid capture.
>>740293957sry to burst your bubble but arabs dont kill jews they just fall under their thumb
>>740307467"Dunmer of Skyrim" fits perfectly to this day by changing a couple words. Also Molach Baal requiring sacrifices on a secret island held by royalty, very smooth Todd
>>740294023once a loremaster always a loremaster
>>740294023The altmer have to lose or the setting gets nuked
I have undeniable proof that Ulfric Stormcloaks children are half-dunmer.
>>740304002The Empire held the advantage at the end of the war, but they lost the stomach to actually see it through so settled early. We saw in Hammerfell that the Empire definitely had the capacity to continue the war successfully. A few legions they found in the couch and the local armies in Hammerfell could turn the Thalmor, a still fully mobilized Imperial Military definitely could've.
>>740309589That's literally not a real thing in the games. The Thalmor don't want to destroy the Towers to remake the world or whatever.Some guy edited the Fandom wiki with his fancanon, and lorefags who totally play the games and don't just get all their info from wikis jumped on it and started spreading it everywhere.
>>740298389It makes no sense to claim Maven is better for Riften while simultaneously claiming Igmund is better for Markarth
>>740301841There is no indication that they will go to war again against them, their top priority is peace even at the expense of their citizens.The games have steadily implied that the Empire is collapsing, and it may be a sinking ship that will take everyone down with it.The Thalmor are using their peace treaty terms to infiltrate all parts of the Empire to steadily weaken it from the inside for a likely repeat surprise attack like the first one all while preaching peace and unity.These are verified bits from the actual game in conversations with Jarls, Legion and books in game.
>>740306008All of the Imperial-aligned jarls take bribes and fund big business with the Thalmor (including Balgruuf). All of the Imperial cities look clean but are filled with all of the dirtiest rat bastards (Erikur in Solitude, Siddgeir in Falkreath, Thonar in Markarth). They very openly state that they're in support of the Empire and Dominion because it makes more money. All of the Stormcloak provinces have been fucked by Imperial taxes and neglected because of that (i.e. Winterhold collapsing and the Empire doing nothing about it, Windhelm being forced to house refugees at cost for 180 years, Riften being plagued by an Imperial Thieves' Guild and a crime boss that becomes Jarl in an Imperial victory), which is part of why the Stormcloaks are pissed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5uufycdvwA
>>740304005Remember that next time Ulfric invites the elves into his country.
>>740309745>held the advantage at the end of the warExcept all they knew is they were way under half strength and their land was utterly ravagedWhat do you not understand, they are not omnipotent
>>740310123Except the game literally tells you otherwiseYou people are so retarded it's unreal
>>740304196All I've read is that Nords don't know how to keep their cities clean.
>>740304372>nigga unironically taking gameplay concessions seriously I'm sure Todd was making a grand statement when he built bandit forts in Oblivion and not just "let's put these here so players have dungeons to go through".
>>740304517>willingly participating in Mefala’s schemes
>>740310704How come thalmor patrols only appear in imperial controlled territories?
Stormcloaks will canonically lose because Stormcloak fans are blood-and-soil racist losers who LARP as pagan vikings while all being mutts who are like 60% Irish, 10% Dutch, 30% mystery meat, and 0% any kind of Nordic
>>740311225I don't think the irish or the dutch are in tamriel retard.
>>740304517>his most well known trait is his anger issuesIs it? Sounds to me like his most well known trait, by virtue of being the most well liked Jarl, is how he cares about his subjects>"I haven't changed my mind, if that's what you're asking. I won't leave Whiterun defenseless, even for a day>"If we send half our guards to aid the legions, just for a few days, it could tip the scales in the Empire's favor. The Companions can help protect the city, and the Emperor will be in our debt.">"Have you lost all sense? We are short on guards as it is! If we lose half our men, the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves' Guild will have the run of the city. The Stormcloaks will be the least of our worries! The answer is no, I tell you!">"These secret visits to the tavern will make you an easy target for an enemy assassin. You should have told me first.">"Damn it, woman, I'm the Jarl of Whiterun! I won't apologize for talking to my people.">"Enough! I'll not stand idly by while a dragon burns my hold and slaughters my people! Irileth, send a detachment to Riverwood at once."So on and so forth.
>>740310784They had just pushed a Thalmor army back, the Thalmor in Hammerfell had stalled out, and they had finally sorted out the Reachmen and were having provincial reinforcements arriving. They knew they had an advantage (and chose to sell out the provinces anyway), but even if they didn't, they should have known by the Markarth Incident that the Thalmor was too battered to enforce the White-Gold Concordat effectively based on what was happening in Hammerfell. But the Empire submitted anyway, because that's what they do.
>>740311351>irishBretons>dutchKhajiit
>>740305279Yes, precisely because of that. Skyrim as a game and especially back when it was new in its marketing is inherently biased towards the Stormcloaks, so thinking minds know the Empire's the right choice in the end.2011~12 everyone went Stormcloak because most people that played Todd's game were normies and Skyrim's marketing sold itself hard on "muh Nordic honor muh vikings muh free Skyrim", plus the game starts with Ralof being a bro and the Empire wanting to execute you. Skyrim is Nords: The Game so going with the Nord Faction™ was obvious.2013*~16 people that stuck around and got into the actual lore started arguing more towards the Empire, as the whole "Thalmor are playing both sides, we should unite not further fragment Tamriel" argument started gained weight.2016~now it's a mix between the normie "hurr durr DAS RACIS' " plus more and more people playing older TES because Todd hasn't released a new one in 15 years, and realizing "wait a minute the Empire's fucking cool"A mix between people playing Skyrim beyond its initial Nordic marketing + playing the older games and seeing every facet of the Empire + second guessing how much does Ulfric actually care about Skyrim vs about his egotist himself has made people slowly but surely turn towards the Empire when in 2011 like 90% of players went the default Stormcloak route.t. I was there, Gandalf. I was there 3000 years ago...
>every single empirefag in the game tells you ulfric walked in, shouted and torygg and it blew him apart, most don't even mention a duel>ulfric tells you he dueled torygg and used a shout to knock him over then killing him>torygg confirms ulfric's storyhmmm i wonder what else empirefags could be lying about
>>740307118You do know 10 year olds can't fight a war and win, right? If the Empire is to breed a new generations after the Great War to fight the knife ears, yeah no shit it's taking at minimum 25 years.
>>740311945You're conflating events into an order convenient to your narrative>the Thalmor in Hammerfell had stalled outFighting continued for 5 more years after the treaty was signed, it was by no means over even with the "invalid" legion support>they had finally sorted out the ReachmenNo they hadn't, in fact the reachmen had only risen up in 174 (the same year the IC was lost) and they were still in open rebellion when the treaty was signed in 175. The situation wasn't resolved at all.>they knew they had the advantageWhere are you getting this idea from? They knew that every single legion was under half strength and at least 3 were totally destroyed, they knew they had barely managed to push the enemy out of the capital city. You're making shit up.The markarth incident was right after the treaty, how and why should they have known anything? They are not omnipotent, do you even understand what that means?What they do know is men breed and mature significantly faster than elvesStop making shit up and use quotes like I have all thread dummy
>>740310501>All of the Imperial-aligned jarls take bribes and fund big business with the ThalmorBut the Silver-Bloods support Ulfric?
>>740312427And we must accept all sows for the deed, including those of aldmeri descent.
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>>740310501>pic relThe lore reason for that is most of the skyrim dunmer are descendants of exiled House Halalu members who more liberal and collaborative with the Empire
>>740311193But that's wrong? Hell there's a random encounter that specifically revolves around a Thalmor and Stormcloak patrol clashing with one another.
>>740304005>and Thalmor agents>agents, pluralIt's the one dude, with a note specifically stating how the Thalmor are spread thin in Skyrim, far more than they like to admit to the rest of the world>This tells you everything you need to know about the empireThat the Thalmor stayed outside of Skyrim for two decades until Ulfric made a fuss over the Talos ban, after which Thalmor patrols started being a thing? Ulfric invited them in
>>740312904If the stormcloaks clash with them that's not a patrol but rather attempted invasion.
>>740293708the dragonborn cucked out for the empire and then was swiftly executed again by the thalmor because they were associated with the blades
>>740307372>lorelet doesn't even know the Cyrodiil thing happened 13 years before Skyrim
Does Achievements really even matter or is it just brownie points for try hards?
>>740313607>Does Achievements reallyNo John you are the brownie
>>740309909Why not? The former is simply stating a fact: Maven rules Riften regardless because Laila is a retarded mouthpiece, so you're just eliminating the middleman. Idgrod is a cool weed grandma, compared to Sorli who is a non-character most players probably don't even know exists.
The Empire as we know it was literally founded by reptilians.>the Blades, the Fighters Guild, the Legion, the the katanas, the dragon symbolAll came from the Tsaesci.
>>740312904Does it really count as a "patrol" if they're entering enemy territory and fighting them? I'd call that a skirmish or raid. If you see stormcloaks fighting imperials outside whiterun you wouldn't call that "stormcloaks patrolling in imperial territory", would you?
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>>740310869Post an example of what the game says that I got wrong.Because I can give examples of everything I said.Since Morrowing Talos says that the Empire is old and withering, you meet him in the game as the Neravarine. In Obvlion the bloodline that was blessed by the Aedra is dead, all assassinated and the Empire has lost that divine blessing, that is the main questline of the game.The Alderi Dominion completely caught the Empire weak, unaware and vulnerable while being led by Titus Mede that led to the initial huge losses, as a historical book about the war states.The Elder Council is constantly scheming to replace the Emperor since they all have an equal chance which is what the Dark Brotherhood quest is mainly about, killing the Emperor so another in the Council can get their chance.Elewen wanted to fan the flames of the civil war as a way to sabotage the Empire from within and weaken it, have free reign to go anywhere and disappear anybody they want. They wouldn't weaken it unless they intend to destroy them in the future.>durr you are retarded and wrongThat's not an argument.
>>740313852>invade>get BTFO by based Reman and turned into bitches>acktchually we founded the empireFuck off lizardfag you got rekd
>>740314287Forgot to mention that Igmund is a pro Empire Jarl that sides with them.So his concerns come from that angle.
>>740314085See, that's one thing I don't understand about TES.The first race to think for five minutes and send women to breed with their enemies will win because of the way genetics work in the setting. The unsuspecting enemy will just be breeding more of you instead of more of them and you'll kill them off and have rightful claim to their land in a generation.
>>740312320>torygg confirms ulfric's storyIn what universe? Because pic related is the entirety of Torygg's dialogue in Sovngarde, and all he says related to Ulfric's attack is>"When Ulfric Stormcloak, with savage Shout, sent me here"Seriously, why do Ulfric stans always lie?
>>740294548>GoT sloppa slurper having a shit fit at anything higher concept then shit and piss (not)europe.
>>740311225I could use the same logic and say that the Empire is going to lose and crumble because Imperial fans are a bunch of gay redditors whose collective muscle mass is comparable to that of an ant.
>>740314287Literally the very first line you posted is wrong stupid>Most of the Legion is tied down on the border with the Aldmeri Dominion. The Emperor can't afford to risk weakening Cyrodiil's defenses. From the Imperial City, our war here is just a sideshow. An interlude before the main event against the Thalmor resumes.>WulfDoes not say what you are saying, quote him.>Septims are goneFunny, Wulf says and I QUOTE>But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and newEqually applies for this as your headcanon that Talos actually wants the Empire completely gone>Elwen wants to weaken the EmpireNo shit, it's her only threat you mongFYI the book you're referncing is The Great War, and is full of good information that's been posted throughout this entire thread
>>740314381Ah but you see the races in TES aren't full of faggot yellow fever bow legged monkey loving race traitors LARPing as being based and trad
>>740314658The game heavily implies that it's Tiber Septim/Talos, the amalgamation of the man made god.So what if the Legion is tied at the border, that is not a sign of impending war but being ready for war. That's normal for peace treaties after a war, all countries have done this even if they it's been decades if not centuries since their last war.That does not in any way prove your point about wanting another war.You sneaky fuck you also cut off the first part of that quote and what comes after to ignore his point.>The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never prettyIt implies he thinks the Empire is old and on it's way out since it's old and can't crate new ideas, something new will take it's place. Exactly what I said, old and withering.I also did not claim Talos wants the Empire gone but that his foreseen it's end.As for the point on Elewen is that they are weakening the Empire because they don't believe in peace while the other way around is not happening, the Empire is not weakening the Thalmor if anything they are heavily conceding ground inside their territory to preserve the peace treaty at the cost of their strenght and unity, just look at the situation with the Redguards. More proof that the peace is more important to them thanYou are a deceptive little shit, you ignore my points for technicalities and you are reaching greatly to get to huge leaps and assumptions to corroborate your points that are not backed up by actual content in the games, you are also putting words in my mouth.
>>740312320The Solitude court members confirm that Ulfric issued a challenge though you retard. That part has never been up for debate. What I don't get is why it even matters what Ulfric used to finish him off. Whether it was a shout or a sword doesn't matter, the Empire wouldn't have accepted it either way even though Torygg accepted the challenge. I guess that last part was Ulfric's point, it showed the whole country that the Imperials don't give a shit about Nord customs and that Imperial laws outweigh their own. Using a shout might have been symbolically showing that the old ways are superior than the nuNord ways, but that might be giving Bethesda's writing team too much credit. Maybe it really was just to make Ulfric seem dishonorabu for "cheating" by using a power Torygg never learned. As if a veteran war hero dunking on some retard with no combat experience wasn't enough.
>>740313031>>740313973>"Patrol refers to the act of regularly walking, driving, or flying through an area to maintain security, monitor for danger, or enforce laws"Sounds like a patrol to me, yeah.>If you see stormcloaks fighting imperials outside whiterun you wouldn't call that "stormcloaks patrollingBecause the Stormcloaks are officially a rebellion, thus not the law, thus not part of the law, thus not a patrol. Regardless, the point was that Thalmor supposedly only patrol Empire roads. They don't, they can appear throughout the entirety of Skyrim.
>>740315704Wulf? I know who Wulf is, stop explaining him to me. Yes so what, so is the preacher in Cyrodiil.Once again the Empire goes through significant upheaval in the Oblivion Crisis, so why would it not be that he's referring to?>So what if the Legion is tied at the border, that is not a sign of impending war but being ready for war. Are you actually for real?>>An interlude before the main event against the Thalmor resumes.What the fuck do you think this means you dumb cunt? Why do you think the Legion is sending so little. Why do you think they're preparing for war and a Genreral is literally telling you they're preparing for war, its not down to interpretation you thick cunt.>all countries have done this even if they it's been decades if not centuriesWhat the fuck are you talking about nigger, that's insane. FYI most countries and standing armies haven't existed continuously for centuries fucking lmfao>cut off the first part of that quoteYou mean I used the relevant part rather than copied his entire dialogue branch?He doesn't imply the Empire is old, he says it. The empire radically changes when the dragonfires go out and a new line takes over, it's not the same Empire it's something new since the end of Oblivion. Your added quote added absolutely nothing to mine, and your previous posts were literally making shit up.You're doing the same shit again and trying to use meta knowledge of relative strength at the close of the war to disparage the treaty.Could the Empire have fought on? Maybe, it was absolutely fucked, 3 legions down and all others under half strength, with at least one rebellion ongoing. Then they might well have lost also. I'm not putting words in your mouth, stop making shit up, using actual sources isn't so hard is it you dumb cunt?
>>740314085Which is better, Argonians or Khajiits?
>>740316473For me, its khajiit
>>740314287>Post an example of what the game says that I got wrong>>740302390>Morrowing Talos says that the Empire is old and witheringAnd the Septim Empire indeed dies in the next game. The Titus Empire is a different beast with no continuity.
>>740293708>Which one do you choose, anon?Whichever one I didn't side with last playthrough
>>740310501>Almost like Dunmer are a heterogeneous nation and not a monolith
>>740316473I have cats as pets, I don't like the idea of fucking one.
>>740315704On a meta sense, whatever they had planned when they wrote Morrowind clearly changed for Oblivion. Nothing about the Emperor being sick or people back in Cyrodiil revolting because they think his heirs are daedric doppelgängers left behind by Jagar Tharn is ever referenced. We know the latter was planned at some point (using a torch to suss out people by checking whether they cast human or demon shadows) but abandoned because it would've made the game too much of an RPG and not enough of a LOTR action game for 360 kiddies. The whole Tharnatos thing they were building up to was abandoned, so Wulf's dialogue either goes nowhere or you headcanon that it either meant the Septim bloodline ending or the future total collapse of the Empire that's totally coming just gotta wait for TES8 in 2065.
>>740300734>>740307096Ulfric is the best kind of assetHe's not even aware
>>740293708>StormcucksUgly gambeson with chainmail and fur boots>Chadpire>aesthetically pleasing uniforms calling back to based Rome, handful of variations with heavy armor + Penitus OculatusIt was never a choice, really.
>>740293708Stormcloaks because I don't like the taste of boot.
>>740317240People of both sides cannot wrap their heads round the idea that assets does not mean willing ally. Merely doing what they want makes them an asset to their causeSaying that they imply direct contact with Ulfric was a thing previously, which is strange
>>740317240He may be aware though, and play the role of an unwilling collaborator who had grown increasingly restless after the Markharth affair; or he can be a sleeper agent, currently "dormant" yet primed for activation when the need arises.Regardless, no one can say that Tulius is on the Thalmor(pstein) files, unlike Ulfric, whose integrity can at least be debated as compromised.
