Steam just killed indie slopGaming is healing
>>740310670Holy based.
>>740310670My list is still full of slop.
>>740310670I guess it depends on how much visibility the little calendar thingy gets.Unfortunately, the calendar will probably only recommend smaller titles in genres you are already playing which will probably kill innovation even more if that was possible
>>740310670Confirming the 'gaming is healing' is a SKG anti shill.It all makes sense
>>740310670are "meccha chameleon" and "burglin gnomes" really that popular?
>>740310670And nothing of value was lost
>>740310889>>740310670Literal kongregate/newgrounds flash game tier shovelware on what is supposed to be the digital Gamestop. Fucking embarrassing.
>>740310670>Surprised that the POPULAR Upcoming list is sorted by the *most* POPULAR upcoming games
Can they kill soulslop next?PLEASE
>>740311081so nothing changed
>>740310670cold take: any dev who relies on this short ephemeral list for discoverability is not gonna make itmost people will never look at that list anyway
i dunno, looks like the usual stuff to me
>>740310670but what about people who neither care about FOTM slop nor Triple A garbage? Is the fucking manual search the only tool for us?
>>740311256>most people will never look at that list anywayyeah i almost never look at it. this thread got me to look at it though, and it reminded me that killer bean is coming out in a couple days.
>>740310889>>740311284Your thing hasn't updated yet
>>740310936I just saw this new feature. Pretty neat.BeanCHADS...
Yeah things are gonna get rough in that sphere.Most visibility for games comes from the storefront, the wishlist requirement having been lower meant that you could get steam working for you sooner. Now you're going to need gimmicks to generate more external traffic if people aren't checking out that personal release calendar.
>>740311330You get a personal calendar where you can filter based on tags
>>740311256>most people will never look at that list anywayMost people out of at least 40 million users
>>740310889>>740311284A/B rollout
>>740311330there's steam's interactive recommender
>>740310670what is this person even crying about, it still defaults to the "Popular New Releases" tab and they haven't changed that at allgo ahead and play Slots and Diapers bro
>>740310670Thank god. If it's not a big company release with at least 20+ DEI hires, it's guaranteed to be racist.
>>740310670I don't think Steam should be the arbiters of taste but they should be the arbiters of quality. I would hate to be an indie dev releasing a game I poured my heart and soul into only for it to be smothered in the crib by a million low effort Fidget Toy Shop Simulators and Anime Bondage Milf Quiz gamesFuck 'em
>>740310670thank god, there's maybe one decent indie game for a thousand games, looking for new games on Steam was hell thanks to these garbage devs
>>740311330The interactive recommender is really great to discover new games, the problem is that it's tucked away behind 3 menus and most people don't know it exists.https://store.steampowered.com/recommender?snr=1_2500_4_
>>740311628genuinely had no idea that was a thing
>>740311628what the fuck?
>>740310670Good
>>740310670I mean every single mix and match puzzle asset flip should be removed from the store followed by rpgmaker and unity flips then we can start banning Chinese games, achievement farms and gatcha After that you can talk to me about "healing gaming"
even if you are super into indie games the kind of garbage that gets put on those lists is complete trash
>>740311256And most people are also brown. Your point?
>>740311628Lotta games on your wishlist but not a lot of playing games, bud.
>>740310670plantation sim btfo
>>740310670What is this post based off of? Do people here just take literally EVERYTHING at face value? I know>SourceIs a meme but like, I am not going to trust word of mouth with people who might have agendas here.
>>740312538There's an article on Steam about it.https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/593110
i have never used this feature
>>740311628cool thanks
>>740311330GOG exists
>>740310889>SolarpunkTMTrademarking the name for "what if everything was a nice happy commie utopia" so only you can profit off it is pretty ironic.
>>740310670>literally has the sorting option visible in the screenshot, not set to "release date"
>>740313728Good catch. How come no other game trademarked their name?
>>740312623Huh, thank you anon.
>>740314094Lots of games do it. Just go search the TM emoji from your Steam library
>>740310670Good, fuck entitled indie game cucks.
>>740310670Every move valve makes causes there to be winners and losers. I consider myself a winner in this instance because I like sorting through new but I don’t like seeing sloppy garbage. I guess this hurts really small devs trying to make it big but really all it does is require them to make even better more impressive games to be noticed now
>>740314094AFAIK you don't need to use it, it's just asserting the mark should be protected, while saying it isn't registered. If you register it, you get to put ® instead of ™.
>>740310670No it means that I won’t have to look at garbage indies (99% of them) and only the cream of the indie crop is put in front of me. Thank you Gabe
>>740310670Good. Maybe it'll be finally useful.
>>740310670I found this new monochrome fantasy clone with it
>>740311256I also fear that if any storefront seeks to challenge Valve's monopoly, they will be bullied out of the market.
>>740314895don't worry that's an unwarranted fear as there's plenty of alternative stores that have been operating for many years
>>740314895You just have to be not shit. Epic decided to try to bribe people with free games instead of spending a few hours to make a functional storefront.
Why do some indie devs expect valve to advertise their slop for free? If you want visibility for your game, buy ads.
>>740315015Gabe is not your friend.
>>740311628This is great
>>740312409The wishlist is best used as a tool to track sales.
>>740315084Depends on what you mean.Traditional advertising is dead for the most part, and most traffic to games is generated by the store itself.>freeSort of, I mean they do pay 30% of their earnings to Valve.
>>740313728I don't think its listed elsewhere, not even on the game's page itself. Solarpunk isn't trademarkable anyway in the same way that cyberpunk or steampunk isn't either; I suppose the name for the game itself could be, but I somehow doubt they are trying to trademark the setting. Honestly have to respect the devs on this one a bit seeing that they posted both a video and even written bit on Steam that >The Game IS for you if X, its NOT for you if looking for Ypic related. Nobody can say they were expecting to get some massive campaign about this or that, base raiding, or other shit. It seems to be a "cozy game survival crafting" hybrid where you just make a nice farm and being up front about what it is and isn't is pretty refreshing, sad as it is. They could very easily say that they're "looking into expanding Y and Z on a possible roadmap" to get people buying hoping for a different future but they didn't so even though its not my sort of game most likely, I can respect it.
>>740315104Epic doesn't even have user reviews...
so you mean it wasnt sorted by popularity before?
>>740310670>sort by relevanceThere's your problem retard-kun.
>>740310670I am so tired of steamies defending this epstein class yacht billionaire.
>>740315332It was.The way the list worked is that only popular games releasing over the course of the next few days or so would be on the list.Not that these games can be months out, it means that the number of wishlists that need to be on the list goes up because games stay on the list for longer.
I would unironically rather play the blandest Ubisoft garbage ever made over 75% of the indie roguelites, survivors-likes, soulslike metroidvanians, friendslops,etc. on Steam. It’s actively painful having to sift through unending amounts of the most uninspired garbage ever made to find a single decent indie to play. I can browse the store for like an hour + sometimes and not find a single game that looks appealing enough to buy. Also fuck indieniggers in general. You have the freedom to make anything you want and instead of making an immersive sim RPG that’s a spiritual successor to Deus Ex you make a roguelite deck builder with a faux anime art style obviously done by a faggot westerner. Seriously, fuck you.
>>740315937but you might fight that one nugget of gold after sifting through literal manure, bro! it’s fun with friends bro! it’s early access you’re being too harsh bro! it’ll have just over half the planned features in 10 years bro!
>>740315937This is what I’m talking about. I open popular upcoming and I’m greeted with >friendslop>friendslop>city builder #8753WHO BUYS THIS SHIT????
>>740316123Hell yeah city builder #8753 came out
>>740310670Virtually no one has ever found a game from that list.
>>740316119Yeah seriously fuck the indie scene at this point. I had fun with Mina the Hollower but even then it took 6 years and 20 people to make a game with GBC visuals and SNES gameplay. I can only hope AA gets bigger
>>740311330>who neither care about FOTMThen why are you using Steam? You clearly do.
>>740310670Why don't they just make a separate list for indies then?
>>740315937Good goy. Keep sucking corpo dick
>>740314762>blantant loli game
>>740310670Sort by release.
>>740316451not what he was saying, but alright, retard
>>740310670You buy any of those games with single digit review count that nobody ever talks about? Usually a good reason for it.I mostly rely on word of mouth (/v/ and Youtube) and going to the metroidvania top sellers page.
>>740311081newgrounds flash games are kino and sovl. You lost, normalfag.
>>740316207Yeah, this shit has been worthless for over a decade now. It's full of asset flips, f2p trash, and demos plus there's like 100+ games released every day now.
>>740310670>Steam just killed indie slopNo "slop" is hitting 6k wishlists, that's a lot
>>740310670thanks OP, wishlisting countryside cumslots right now!
>>740311514wait, there a 7th guest remake? first time I hear that
>>740316451>oh yeah I'm so unique I don't play popular shit like the others I play unique "indie" xd t. shill>which one?>Silksong and Mina the Hollower >*be the same game 10000000000 other indiefags are playing*feigned controlled oppositionslop lol
>>740316119So what the fuck does Steam even offer?Their recommendation system is trash, they just recommend the same popular AAA and streamer-bait indie games over and over and over.Their forums are trashTheir reviews are botted and ChineseSeriously I keep hearing about how many awesome features Steam has, which are the reason Steam is the biggest storefront, but all of their features are terrible.
>>740316123Use discovery queue or interactive recommender or now the calendar lil' bro.
>>740310858unironically this. don't understand why people shill indies, they're as uninspired as AAA. give me AA soul or fuck off
>>740316906>see because there are 1000s of terrible books that means that there are no amazing or even good books!this is what you sound like.
>>740310670Good. One of the worst things Steam has done to the industry is make it easy for talentless nobodies to put out games and flood the market with shit. In the 7th gen days you needed to actually make a game that’s worth a shit to be seen and it gave us the likes of Castle Crashers and Super Meat Boy. Less garbage getting attention will let the cream that really deserves it rise to the top
>>740317025just because you rely on streamers to recommend you shit, and are too much of a normalfag to find the good ones doesn't mean they don't exist.
>>740316978>Seriously I keep hearing about how many awesome features Steam has, which are the reason Steam is the biggest storefront, but all of their features are terrible.This desu. Although usually they are talking about the social media features, which I don't even care about, I just want to launch the game without the dumb launcher...
>>740315937>immersive sim RPG that’s a spiritual successor to Deus ExBasement indie cardslop studios do not have the resources, that is AA territory
>>740317025Indies are still coasting off the goodwill of players because "at least it's not AAA." It's long overdue for a correction though, and eventually people will no longer be able to ignore all the bad actors.
>>740315937I’ve never played Deus Ex and don’t want to. Indie devs cater to my tastes and I’m happy.
>>740310670good indie games never appeared on those lists it's always asset flip idle shovelware, roguelike deckbuilder #1325267, and porn games
>>740317124>Castle Crashers and Super Meat BoyThese were glorified flash games for people too stupid to find Newgrounds. No console indie from that era matters.
>>740316978Because other storefronts don't even have any of that basic shit. No recommendations, deader even more useless forums. Epic store doesn't even have reviews at all lolSteam is so good that the "big complaints" about it are like three or four steps removed from where other storefronts are. Complaining about a change to the algorithm behind some feature other stores don't even have
>>740316451>>Good goy. Keep sucking corpo dick>30% of his game's profit goes to ValveWho are you trying to fool here?
>>740310670So what we get to see third worlders market their trash even more aggressively to fix a list no one looks at? Yeah great heal.
>>740310670and people say indie games have never been stronger and is going to save the industry, lmao.indie games suffers the same problems as AA and AAA games.survivorship bias all around
>>740317252They do. Deus Ex was made by 20 guys in 2 years almost 30 years ago with completely primitive and inefficient software. Nowadays 20 guys and 6 years with years of game dev experience and the latest and greatest tools gets you a game like Mina the Hollower. Another game like Sea of Stars took 25 people. That is to say, even with wildly more efficient software for game production and with the same amount of staff as Deus Ex, indie devs can only make pixelated JRPGs and GBC-likes
>>740311284so what is fart x bully about? thoughts and hopes?
>>740310670Algorithmic death finally came to Steam too.Can't wait for it to become as useless as Youtube
>>740317337Upon thinking, actually 99% of indie games don’t appeal to me either. And yet I still discover a few good ones every year.
>>740317679The funny part is the "fix" will just make devs pivot from shovelware keyword spam to trailer bait and fake wishlists. Same garbage, different grift. Steam can't curate because then half the library gets memoryholed and people cry about muh open platform.
>>740318012I find a small handful to play every year as well. But it’s still crazy how much endless garbage gets made
>>740317867Mina had resources from an existing breakout hit and also almost killed the studio. Sea of Stars devs had a prior game with a publisher. These aren't the types of studios trying their hand at >>740311514 or games mentioned in OP.
>>740310670
>>740318087It's because the cost of putting a game on steam is $100. If they boosted it to $1000 this wouldn't meaningfully affect genuine developers, who are spending thousands in opportunity cost and labor to make their games anyway. But it would empty the pockets of garbage spammers who don't invest anything in their games.
>>740318139I find it hard to believe that there isn’t a single indie team out there of 10-20 guys using the latest tools that can’t make something ambitious and unique. Instead we get an endless avalanche of what are basically flash games and obvious cash grabs. If you get a loan from a bank, hire 10 people, and put them to work not on a genre worth a shit but instead a fucking roguelite deckbuilder, you are no better than AAA. Like at all. This is the indie equivalent of a Ubisoft open world slop
>>740318408My problem with this is that it is (probably) yet another recommendation tool that is centered around the games people have been playing already. This incentivizes turning individual popular games into massive genres comprised entirely of market substitutes. The previous version of the list wasn't like that.
>>740316123Sometimes I wonder if these games are just made for Youtubers and Streamers.
>>740314762>new
>>740318497What you fail to realize is that more powerful tools are not a substitute for the lack of experience. And that experience needs to come from somewhere too. The other thing you fail to realize is that unique doesn't mean good, a lesson many gamedevs of 90s learned the hard way. There is a reason all new games are siphoned into few specific genres.Also absolute majority of indies are made by teams of 1-3 dumbfucks working on some stupid idea in their free time.
>>740316623Newgrounds flash games were free and had their own dedicated platform for it. This dogshit is neither the former nor the latter.
>>740316982Discovery queue has been pretty consistently dogshit for me for years,. hell i just checked and hit half of the fucking games on ignoreCalender on the other hand had quite a few i'm interested in at a cursory watch
>>740319460People also kind of overrate how easy modern tools have made game development. The way I'd word it is like this; where *starting* a game is easier than ever, but making one is still pretty hard since unless you're flipping assets you still need to make all of the visuals, design, and gameplay code.It's like, sure you got a character controller working in a unity terrain field but you're still not even 99% of the way towards making this into an actual game.
>>740318497Immsims are notorious sales bombs a bank would be insane to lend that
>>740310670Extremely based. The vast majority of indie devs are subhumans.
>>740318497the video games industry is very hits-driven.for every indie game that succeeds, 3 flops.in fact I'd say that the AAA industry has a higher success rate than indie industry.
>>740310670And popular new releases is biased toward indies, so what. You can see it right now. mina the hollower has been on the popular page for a week straight while the 007 game which released just a few days earlier was gone the day after release despite selling way more.
>>740316982The calendar is the only thing that works right now. The interactive recommender turned to shit at some point. I preferred deep dive.
>>740320113This is completely false, both are still there and 007 is even a featured game
>>740310986"Gaming is healing" predates SKG by years and has nothing to do with it. It's a "this shitty Chinese game has scantily clad generic anime girls in it" thing.
All of this will push indie devs towards publishers, which will lead to more predatory deals
>>740314564Huh, so it's the poor man (company's) alternative?
>>740320418Remember indie devs, if Dangen approaches you with a deal the correct response is: "Fuck you".
Directly from the newshttps://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/704394876188361009
>>740310670oh no, dogshit undertale clone about depression and futa tranny commissar simulator 69 will no longer be appearing in the upcoming feedthis is literally fascism!
>>740320418This. Which will basically create the exact same issues as before but now indie and aaa devs will just funnel to the same publishers and nothing will changeI don't care how much you hate indie games and think it's all the same but all you're doing is just a bandaid fix and no. The aaa games aren't going to magically save gaming like before
>>740311256Yeah, you get one shot in my discovery queue and thats it.
Wow look at these AAAA games topping the upcoming releases list those poor indies should just sudoku now that they'll NEVER get on here
>>740321001>The aaa games aren't going to magically save gaming like before>like beforeWhen the fuck was AAA slop ever good?
>>740321209roughly 1990s to 2010 is the cutoff.Yes even games like FF7 would fall under AAA relatively speaking
>>740321294"relatively speaking" lmao give me your definition of triple A.
>>740321189The wishlists are the important metric here, people need to stop characterizing this as an indie vs. AAA thing. The real threat is that this will make both indies and AAA exclusively make only the most popular stuff. For AAA that's action RPG, FPS...etc. and for indies it's co-op and crafting building/ simulation games.Killer bean is the only outlier here, but he's a meme.
>>740318408Fight Knight guy is still alive? He still owes me a bug wife.
>>740321349Budget is the main factor if you're spending literally millions on game development you're AAA. Lower is AA or mid budget games and anything lower than that is basically indie tier or close to it
>>740321209They're good when Nintendo makes themBad AAA = By Non-Nintendo. Get a Nintendo, problem solved.
>>740310670woooo yeah I love ubisoft and AAA and remakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is so much better
>>740321294FF7 was THE big budget cinematic movie game of its time anon
>>740321526Amazing! I thought I was the only one!
>>740321356>The real threat is that this will make both indies and AAA exclusively make only the most popular stuff. For AAA that's action RPG, FPS...etc. and for indies it's co-op and crafting building/ simulation games.To be fair, this has already happened. However it will become even harder for someone who wants to make something that doesn't fall under the umbrella. So this would mean they have to advertise thier game even more aggressively. The problem with this is that old fashioned advertising is dead in the water. At best you might get some youtube views or twitter/BS
>>740321673before you could get to new upcoming with 7k wish lists, now the last one had 200k wish lists
>>740321970i saw your post in the other thread tee hee
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>>740321970Has any game with 7k wishlists even found real success? I feel like if you have 7k wishlists it doesn't matter if you land on the new upcoming page or not, the problem is that you have 7k wishlists.
>>740321970Does being featured in "popular upcoming" really convert into sales? Feels like the new calendar feature is better for that, even if it's only two slots per day.
>>740322441 >>740322553some people said that they got up to 20k more just from appearing there for a week
>>740322441Depends on the development time. If you spend 3 months making a game and you get a little lucky and get 20k USD back in net rev then you're probably doing alright>>740322553Yeah, although some of that data is a little hard to parse since because it overlaps with other data points
>>740322441>Has any game with 7k wishlists even found real success? That ex Vito or whatever game over 100 wishlists and nobody even bought it lmaoThen again it was also mid and just a movie game
>>740322553Being in the list converts to wishlists, and wishlists do convert to sales. It's a low rate but it does track.When every game is struggling just to get noticed this change hurts pretty bad
>>740322441A few thousand sales can be a few tens of thousands in revenue. It's a success if you're a solo dev or small team, and you haven't quit your day job. This is what actual indie games tend to look like, not so-called "indies" with AA budgets and a publisher
>indie indie indie AAA indie indie It's like bragging that you're buying self-help booklets by trendy grifters in Amazon. Ok...? The fact you're giving money to a grifter when getting a shady self-help booklet full of buzzwords, and in doing so, the money went to an independent grifter, and in doing so you didn't get scammed by a "company" instead, but a grifter this time, isn't particularly laudable. It's not worth noting. You're a joke. It's irrelevant. It's funny that you still pretend this means something. It's like being on the Getting Scammed Anonymous convention and you're thinking. How do you lose even more money?! And really invested in your favorite grifter's stock..even though it isn't your money..unless you're a grifter. Yourself?! (Why not go back to focus on your grift and youtube channel..)You believe you're totally fighting da powah by buying the Amazon self-help books or something.
Indies gettin' smashed.
>>740310670First actual complaint I have had with steam in a long time. Let the fuckign new release tab be in release order and have sort by "hot" or "popular" it's own thing
Everyone is too obsessed with dunking some imaginary enemies to realize the fundamental issue is that this will end up just like the internet where everything is owned by like 5 companies plus thier very rich ceos
>>74032100115-20 years ago
>>740321294FF7 was astronomically expensive anon that's a horrible comparison
>>740310670>gaming is healingCall me when they finally ban early access from their store.
>>740323898>Check out our indie game>Check forums>They stopped making the game because the publisher stopped giving them moneyI fucking hate """"""""indie""""""""" devs. Youre a small studio just admit it you aren't independent of shit
>>740324731>Indie game>looks inside>has a publisher
>>740324417Realistically people will lose either way.When dozens of games release each day even if you do it in chronological order games will be pushed off that page within hours or even minutes depending on the timing.
>>740324889>>740324731You’re being autistic about words. Indie game simply means made by a small studio. It doesn’t mean one guy in grandmas basement anymore. Words evolve and change
why do you care if an online store has slop
>>740324731some devs make a prototypes to lure kickstarter/publishers because they know that they are overscoping
1. I've never used steam's popular upcoming releases list to find new games. Is that actually something you retards do?2. Indies is nothing but rogueslop, metroidvania, pixelart platformers, "boomer shooters" that actually play nothing like old FPS and terrible 3d goblina porn visual novels. Who the fuck gives a shit if they all die. Good riddance.Now I'm waiting for Big Geoff to tell me what games are coming out soon so all of you shut the heck up.
>>740310670Good now I don't have to look at 20 new indie games that may as well be mobile games
>>740325101I actually do care because I like browsing the new selection and it sucks 90% of it is fucking gooner ai slop or deck builder garbo
>>740325028Nah. Indie means indie. If you're being published by a big company you can't be fucking indie lmao. This is like how dortio pope tried to call dave the diver indie when it was published by fucking nexon even the fucking devs don't call it indie so you already know that's some bullshit
>>740325028Words have meaning you nigger. If you are being paid to make a game upfront your a small studio not indie
>>740325101I look at the new releases every day because sometimes I find something fun.I wish steam would give ai slop a boot to another section though. Same with early access games unless they're finshed
>>740325126>the scramble vicenever coming out
>>740325441You can at least filter games that are EA. Slop is awful but they rarely can even pass a cursory sniff test just looking at their capsule image.
>contrarians aka ameribrowns have done another full circle and now think ubislop is worth advertising and buyingI can't deal with shartistanis and /pol/trannies anymore
At least we live in a time where mearly looking at the cover art or tags is all you need to know a game is shit
>>740325329Dave the diver wasn't published by nexon. It was DEVLOPED by a fucking subsidiary of nexon
>>740316906>Citadel and yarimonKneel
