Anyone else prefer iron sights over scopes when playing FPS?
Iron sights are just scopes without a lens
>>740376713You can't zoom with iron sights (in good games)
doesn't mater, it's a faggy mechanicthere shouldn't be the type of RNG associated with just not holding a button
>>740377697But how are you supposed to shoot accurately without aiming properly?
depends on the iron sight but yeah, usually.
>>740377697go to bed unc, your mechanic is outdated
>>740376492Depends on how far my target is. Iron sights aren't gonna get you a kill at 700m.
>>740379793>a kill at 700mWhat game?
I hate Russian Iron sights where its just a half circle. And I love G3 style iron sights.
>>740377582you can zoom with irons in ro2 though
>>740378037You put a sticker on the middle of your monitor and use that as a reticle
Only if it's a wide lens viewmodel like your image. In Tarkov for example they're all basically unusable.
>>740376492in VR yeah iron sights are king or rather no sights what so ever
>>740376492Me too anonunless I'm playing as a markman or LMG or something where the role really demands their use I always go for ironsI used to be an utter slave to using magnifiers in Insurgency Sandstorm but I always thought all the scopes and sights looked terrible on a lot of the guns, especially the older non-tacticool ones-- I forced myself to use irons for a bit and now that I'm used to them, I can't go backAll that extra supply from no attachments means I bring three frags and seven mags with me its fucking awesome
>>740379926I've done that in ArmA (don't remember which one) and Tarkov, was easier in ArmA. Partially because I was a 2 man team with a guy that did rangefinding and the wind math.
>>740377697You're right, which is why in most games, there's additional mechanics that go into ADS that makes aiming more of a chosen state, and hence why there's even games where there's little to no inaccuracy to not using ADS but you're still encouraged to use it and make that choice anyways
if they are good irons and not abysmal dogshit made specifically to fuck me over
>>740377697tell us your revolutionary idea for reducing hit rates at range without making it feel like absolute dog shit to the playernote that pure recoil feels like absolute dog shit to the player because of how much it disjoints your point of aim from your mouse movements
>>740380268What are you talking about? Reflex sights are an absolute must for me in VR shooters. VR makes you realize how awful most iron sights are, and the low resolution means it's impossible to use aperture sights as they're intended.
>>740382483Shmovement and projectile weapons.Modern shooters are slop that relies on this shit, because analog sticks can't track spontaneously moving targets, so everyone moves utterly predictably and the game is usually balanced around the player either moving or shooting, but not both at the same time, hence the use of ADS and a sprint button.
>>740382460>webmwhat the fuck...
>>740384782controllerbab aim assist aimbot nonsense
I prefer having a dot on my screen that shows me exactly where the bullet goes.
>>740387169fascist
>>740377582>You can't zoom with iron sights (in good games)RO2 had zoom for a reason retard.The human eye can see in much greater resolution than the average PC monitor.Games where snipers are impossible to spot are always dogshit.
Hell yeah
>>740387856>tfw just hip firing and getting headshots on the regular
In real life the sight picture of iron sights is better than the tiny shit games do like in OP pic. They should let you zoom in a bit.
>>740376492yesi like games like payday 2 that even let you remove the scope from snipers mosin my beloved
>>740376492no
>>740387723>>740389793I think a bit of zoom in like in RO2 in about right >>740377582
>>740389793They should make the gun model surrounding the sight a little transparent. It's way, way easier to shoot with iron sights in real life thanks to the incredible evolutionary trait we humans possess of having two eyes.
ADS only exists because analog sticks are shit for aiming.
>>740392354Operation Flashpoint came out in 2001 on PC and has ADS.
>>740377582>irons completely obscure your vision instead of being translucent as your eyes focus beyond themIs there a single game out there made by anyone who has actually held a gun?
>>740380101Used to do this with shotguns in Rainbow Six Vegas 2
>>740392645FUCK, I consneed.
>>740392354ADS exists because that's how guns work
>>740392354I'm pretty sure it exists because it's how you shoot guns in real lifeI guess it kinda makes sense for doomguy to be hip firing all the time but not for an some random grunt
>>740393006>>740393118Yes but in games, it zooms in and lowers your sensitivity to make aiming easier.
>scope>some shitty camodisable all that shit
>>740393006lolI'm sure health/shield regen exists because people heal too.
>>740392645Milsim autism doesn't generally infest other games though.It may have ended up in some PC games as a niche, but it took off for analog sticks, because it allowed the games to split up moving and looking around into two separate activities that the player would never have to mix together.Analog sticks just don't have anywhere near the fidelity required to combine the kind of speed you'd need to actually look around with the accuracy needed to look at a specific thing.
>>740376492Incel field of view.
>>740377697Get some bitches and touch grass you utter boomer subhuman.You've fucking outgrown vidya
>>740380101That just ruins immersion.Why not play Mario or something like that at this point ?
>>740387169Utter faggot, that ruins the immersion
>>740395383Counterstrike, quake and unreal tournament are dogshit slop and not real games.Halflife gets a pass because the story and level design is worth it
>>740376492Depends on the iron sights, I like open ones in games.
>>740392354meanwhile in reality and not your schizo delusions all the first games to have it were PC shooters
>>740379979HK sights are peakPersonally I've grown to dislike the US style irons in VR where the hole is at the rear sight instead of it being open, the SCAR is especially atrocious to use
>>740376492I like those fat scopes that take like 1.8 seconds to zoom into before you can fire. I think CoD MW2 had a Thermal Scope that took an entire second to zoom in and EVERYTIME I got the Game Winning Kill people would groan and insult me for using the slow scope while I top scored the game. Made me laugh everytime.
reminder that counterstrike functionally has ads. ads in counterstrikeyou hold shift, you walk slower, your weapon conceals more of the screen, your aim gets betterads in other gamesyou hold right mouse button, you walk slower, your weapon conceals more of the screen, your aim gets better
>>740377582iron sights that don't zoom are dogshit
Iron sights are terrible for visibility. In Apex there's meta with cosmetics because some skins have less visible ironsights than others.
>>740397258Well, you can't really "zoom in" with iron sights. Might as well just use scopes.
>>740397220trvke
I hate reflex sights as they make every gun look the same. Part of the charm is lost when you put the exact sight on every single weapon type.
>>740384609>Shmovement and projectile weapons.We had that. Like you said, there are reasons we don't.
>>740376492trick is really to remove the crosshairs so you MUST aim down the sights to hit anything at range. although, that wouldn't really work in a faster FPS. I remember liking it in brothers in arms because it was more about navigating your unit around.
>>740399024fucking tribes
>>740376492Yeah, unless devs fuck up and they're off the center.
>>740395383Military sim implementation is also very different. Let's be real, aiming down any sights in modern FPS is generally just short hand for aim assist.
>>740399109>it was more about navigating your unit aroundmore like tardwrangling your unit around, they literally stand in the open and refuse to open fire most of the time unless you order them to do so
>>740399324>aiming down any sights in modern FPS is generally just short hand for aim assist.I would have agreed for you if there wasn't any>rotational aim assist>crosshair magnetism/slowdown>recoil reduction>sometimes downright recoil removal
>>740403727I think that's what he was saying, ADS in modern fps is literally just activating all that bullshit for controller shitters.
>>740392703>can't even see a semi transparent nose in first personunrealistic garbage
>>740376492idk just give me a white dot in the center of the screen
>>740405287It's always active. Using your sights just extends its range.
>>740387723I actually hate this line of reasoning. Killing from any range is 10x easier in even hardcore milsims than real life. Way easier to see people, easier to aim, easier to pull trigger properly. RO1 was better for not having zoom
>>740405769if you're playing against humans maybe sure, bots in milsims cheat like hell and you know its bad if you've ever played any arma campaign shit
>>740405287>literally just activatingthat's where you're wrong, all that shit is already activated by default. ADS is simply a retard proof button for aimbot. take a look at this timeless classic case study:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLETaKsLwY
>>740376492I remember I played a ton of Siege with my friends and never using anything but Iron Sights, my K/D was something awful like 1/6.One of my friends caught me equipping iron sights and he thought I was mental.I started using scopes and immediately went into positive k/dBasically iron sights is an unnecessary handicap if you're playing against people using scopes.In single player games it's fine but otherwise stick with a scope because you will get crushed.
>>740376492yes, scopes block too much peripheral vision.
>>740377582>red orchestra 2>left shift = zoomKill yourself you disingenuous retard
>>740376492Why are you eating the butt stock on that gun in the bottom screenshot?
>>740405862I know its not as strong when you don't ads but ads is like actual nonsense and the fact that I am forced to play against these legal aimbotting subhumans is a human rights violation
>>740387015Bottom is the clearest
>>740376492Really dumb question but when aiming with the iron thingie, is my shot supposed to hit just above where the line ends or right over it, covered by the end of the line? I have never been able to tell.
>>740398965Adder is the only useful one of those
>>740406307Adder is Kobra and therefore based
The M1 Garand irl has the best iron sights I've ever used, but the way they're depicted in vidya feels kinda cheaty.I don't know exactly why it works irl, but despite how tiny the peephole looks on camera it doesn't behave that way when you're actually looking through it. It's quite easy to see through it and maintain peripheral vision; the disc edges sort of blur out of existence so you can still see quite a bit, but the tiny peephole ensures that the front post is only visible when you have it aligned properly.Vidya always seems to cheat this effect by just modelling a huge rear sight peephole that makes it look like it would bend/deform the second you dropped it. That's always bugged me.
>>740376492>ADS slopSorry I play good games.
>>740377582im gonna say it ro2 is the only game that ever got bolt actions right
