*ruins your party's group dynamic and dialogue*
Yeah, but her ass is big so it's worth it
>>740423016True but enough about Ryuji. now post mona and jack FATASS!
P5 just had alot of bullshitMakotoMorganaThe pedo teacherThe other pedo teacherWhat's her face that shows up in the final actThey really fumbled it compared to P3/P4
>>740423016Literally the only good character in this shitty game. Everyone else was just an anime trope.
>>740423016Yeah she kill joys everything i don't know how anyone likes her.
>>740423016Its her game.
Hypnotized buttsluttYou are being hypnotizedYou love analYou love cocks in your assAnal turns you onAnal makes you a horny slutYou are a butt slutYou are being hypnotizedYou want your ass gropedYou want your ass poundedYou will only be able to cum through analYou will flaunt your assYou want your ass to grow biggerYou will workout to get a bigger assYou want your ass filledYou will stuff your ass with a butt plugYour are a plugged submissive butt slutYou, are the Anal Queen
>Female that dosen't immediately bend over and has a back bone>seething every where
>>740423016Anal Queen
>>740423994Incels say gays are gross because they fuck each other in the shit pipe, but then post these dumbass anal fantasies about animu waifus lmao.
>>740424043>>Female that dosen't immediately bend over and has a back bone>try to have fun as school kids>no fun allowed
>>740423016What kind of pubes do each of the romances have? This is important.
>>740423016>watches you try and fail to finish the big bang challenge
IT'S BIG SADDIN' TIME
>>740423016Thank you Makoto for teaching us uneducated plebs what a Ballista is, I cannot believe you are so familiar with obscure medieval knowledge you could tell at a glance.
>>740423016finally someone says itworst party member in literally every wayunattractive, shit combat, uninteresting personalityim sick of the constant glazing of this woefully mediocre character
>>740424296It's just OP samefagging as always to keep his shitty thread alive. I wouldn't be surprised if more than half the posts in here are just him samefagging.It's always the same posts in every thread.
>>740424827Could also be a bot, there are way too many daily ritual threads on this board. The dead internet theory is real.
>>740423016The worst part about her isn't the dry cardboard personality or the condescending demeanor, nor how bad she is at stalking(kasumi fags stay winning), it's the fucking Marie sue "god-intellect" the writers try to force, "oh makoto you knew that! Can we drink your piss and worship the ground you walk on QUEEN" And it's mostly done as usual per anime, not by giving actually witty or analytical dialogue, but instead by lowering the rest of the party's combined IQ by the number of times ryuji for reals, then have her say the most basic obvious shit, and Morgana goes "ohhh omoshiroi my queen" Ong she's more annoying than og p5 Morgana, but ofc the goondom ignores her because of her only good quality, she does have a beautiful ass
>>740424043Appropriately titled Queen for a reason.
>>740423016A trivial price to pay for meeting the love of my life.
>>740425474It's impossible to recognize Makoto's flaws and then claim Kasumi isn't worse; she was so forced in Royal, it made Makoto look subtle by comparison.
you meant to post futaba aka the redundant role as makoto character
>>740423825They're primarily virtue signallers. They like Makoto so they can posture on the fucking internet about it and win their little internet arguments so these retarded performative male feminists can say corny shit like >>740424043 despite that the very goal of Makoto is to drag down all of the others and make them look worse in comparison
I felt the same away about Naoto, but Naoto was the final character introducedQueen should have been the same.
Makoto and Haru should have left the party after their respective months, and only come back later for Nijima and Maruki. Still been Confidants and allies, but not regular Phantom Thieves like the main five.Futaba can join though.
>>740425474She's made for Reddit
>>740423016I will always insist that Joker, Morgana, Ann, and Ryuji should have been the only Phantom Thieves members. They get worse and worse. I can't remember any other rpg where I never changed my party once.
>>740425771Didn't say kasumi was great, although she's far better than makoto, I specifically mentioned kasumi after the stalking part, but I can understand if you have a life and don't know the meme about kasumi already
I think she's cool.
>>740426330Makoto is one of the most blatant writer's pet characters I've ever seen
>>740423016If she and Anne at least continued to dislike each other it would've been fine. I really liked her when she first started showing up and everyone hated her.
Good evening. Sex with Makoto and Haru.That is all
>>740425474Her ass is nothing special. It's all off-model fanart. Ann has a better ass.
>>740426506When does it ever go away? Everyone likes Makoto, Makoto hates everyone else. Just like her fans.
Makoto has a trimmed bush
except for yukari, all wind users suck.actually you know what only P3 was good. fuck you P5 fags.
>>740426473She's literally stupid. Like, by herself, threw the entire party to be in debt with the fucking yakuza. Like, there was a million ways to tackle the fatty, and she threw herself at him.
>>740426691P4 is the best in the series you fucking emo piece of shit.
>>740426691Mona has a "crit on command" button in addition to the same fucking loadout as Yukari.But you're right about P3 being the best.
>>740426780P4 is legit the worst in the series with the worst cast
>>740426970
Have you ever noticed how many fandoms are poisoned by that one group of waifufags that are just nonstop belligerent shitstain faggots?
Kasumire convinced me to pick her on account of how flexible she isImagine
Other Persona fans like the whole castThe defining trait of Makotofags is that they hate every character who isn't Makoto
>>740424296Incels are idiots, there's nothing sexier than a girl's tight clean ass.
>>740423016That's not Naoto.
>>740423437Behead all nose ring wearers
>>740427385Kasumire is an oneitis so she would clam up shut unless you happen to literally be joker
I hate her mostly because of how fucking faggy and insufferable and fake her fans are
>>740423016Free will is not good for me. I need a girlfriend like her to boss me around.
How did she know?
>>740423016Midkoto should have been cut from the game and Hifumi should have had her place in the party.
>>740427745In their defense, I like every character in Persona 5 who isn't Shitkoto
>Futaba makes another outdated gamer reference
>>740432451All of them are like that, they're practically all the same person. I haven't encountered even one Makoto fag who doesn't act this way.
>>740432608I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was just saying that I understand their kind even though they're wrong
>>740432503>Futaba is introduced via a reference to a 2008 anime nobody but me watched.
>>740427885Anal is gross and doesn't even feel good, faggot Masturbate with two fingers, and fart a lot. Maybe put some shit on your dick for immersion. That's anal
>>740423016Persona has a /vg/ thread. Why is this thread allowed on /v/?
>>740432503Let's learn a little more about her. How did you acquire such 1337 haxx0r skillz? >PrivateOh.
>>740433004Generals and other boards existing has never banned discussion on /v/ you armchair jannie
>>74042497599% of what people think of as bots or shills is just /vg/ leaking people
>>740426593Its not about the ass, its about the posture and the hips
>>740423016Redditkoto
>>740426593>>740433779P6 won't ever come anywhere close to this level of fanservice.
>>740424043>dosen't immediately bend over and has a back bone
>>740432934Speaking from experience, faggot?
>>740423016>HEY GUYS IM REALLY SMART, WE SHOULD BE MORE CAREFUL ABOUT OPENLY TALKING ABOUT PHANTOM THEIVES, I WAS ABLE TO FIND YOU AFTER ALL>WOW MAKOTO YOURE SO SMART FOR POINTING OUT THE OBVIOUS, WELL CALL YOU QUEEN>TEE HEE BY THE WAY, WE'LL KEEP TALKING ABOUT BEING PHANTOM THEIVES OVER TEXT LOL, I WILL STILL BE CONSIDERED SMART FOR HAVING COMMON SENSE YET NOT ACTING ON SAID COMMON SENSE>OH NO MEDJED GOT US HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN>OH GOOD IT WAS ACTUALLY A POOR-MAN'S KONATA WHO IS A 1337 HAXXOR>BUT WE'LL STILL KEEP TALKING ABOUT BEING PHANTOM THEIVES OVER TEXT EVEN AFTER HAVING A CONCRETE EXAMPLE OF BEING EASILY FOUND OUT>WE WONT STOP DOING THIS EVEN AS THE GOVERNMENT IS OPENLY HUNTING US BY THE WAYLiterally why do people praise this shit as stellar writing? Its fucking ASS dude. And all of this could have been avoided if they just started speaking in code.
>>740434171Makes Redditors feel smart by proxy
>>740434171Zooms are tech illiterate retards who didnt think of any of this.
She is a bedwetter
Makoto has good taste
>>740430654This is quite literally the only reason I'm attracted to tomboys. Initiating a relationship by myself is too scary.
>>740423994the hypnosis is completely unnecessary
>>740434659Does P5 let you change her goodnites with her when she's over?
>>740423016makoto was a bit too stuffy and stuck-up for me>>740434171theyre a bunch of highschool kids, were you expecting them to be criminal masterminds on par with meyer lanskey or arnold rothstein
>>740434171I wished there was some adult confidant that you could directly say to that you know all the PT are going to be caught but you're doing it anyway. Because there's just way too many obvious inescapable ways they would be and it's what I always assumed MC was thinking.
>>740423016Was that meant to be a picture of Futaba?
>>740436504>you could directly say to that you know all the PT are going to be caught but you're doing it anywayJoker says that to every confidant at level 10
>>740436945Eat shit sub human Makotofag
>>740437503This
>>740433953Why would you think that?oh
>>740436945truth nukefutaba is redundant and is who really ruins the party>oh we just added the smart one? I know, let's add the smart one [technology]!
>>740434094Yes, but it was a girl's ass, by her request.You can only feel the asshole, inside doesn't feel like barely anything. And unless she fasts for a day or two prior, there will be shit inside, surprise surprise. The vagina is better in every single way. Anal is for retards and porn addicts.
Just finished my second full playthrough on PC and with a fresh mind I do agree that the group dynamic went to shit once Makoto joined.Makoto herself is fine as a character, but Phatom Thieves worked much better as a band of misfits IMO. Makoto feels like a larper.
>>740437971>the phantom thieves were better when it was just dumb and dumbette and a cat
>>740432934>>740437940Talk about telling on yourself, holy kek
>>740438190Yusuke is a fox not a cat
>>740438190Right how dare they have a well rounded cast like 3 or 4 that learns and grows over the course of the story, we have to spend every moment of the story remind you how perfect your special waifu is. Every character must be sacrificed for the purpose of making Makoto look better. How dare they have depth or development because then the writer's pet won't be special anymore!
>>740438190Yes.
>>740437503I just remember Futaba changing the dynamic a lot more than Makoto did and never shutting up in the group chats
>>740423016I told myself I would romance Makoto this time, but I ended up with Hifumi yet again.
>>740438190Absolutely
Makoto is alright, but I prefer Kasumire
>>740438935I can only pick playable party members, there's just something about love blooming on the battlefield
>>740438956imagine being this basic
>>740439065But enough about Reddikoto
>>740438834Is the Art Gallery heist the only moment where Morgana is kinda based?
>>740439027That was my thought process going into this playthrough, but I found I actually really like the dynamic where joker's girlfriend figures out he has a secret identity.
>>740438337Cope. Anal is a porn meme.Fun fact, most fags don't even have anal sex because they think it's gross too
>>740439239you need to be 18 to use this website
>>740438935>could've gotten Hifumi as a member of the Phantom Thieves during P5's development>gave us Makoto insteadStill gets me to this day
>>740439354You're talking all this shit because you love it
>>740438935I told myself I wouldn't pick a hag this time but I romanced Kawakami again and cheated on her with Kasumire
>>740439537I take comfort in the fact romancing another Phantom Thief changes basically nothing about the actual group dynamic and that makes me feel like I'm not missing out on much.
>>740439537>you know what we need? a THIRD smart characterthere was not enough bread to go around
>>740438935Based gigachad
>>740437971Anon, Makoto 'is' a larper. Even after seeing how fucked up Tokyo police is she still wants to be a cop during the game's ending.Makoto should have been cut from the game and completely replaced with Hifumi
>>740440590Hifumi would've taken makotos place dumbass
>>740440913No she wouldn't retard. They both would have been in as slightly different shades of smart.
>>740440975Yes, Hifumi is substantially more intelligent than Makoto
>>740423016>high schooler>wears lipstickwtf
>vilain blackmail highschooler with a picture of them in the same room as few alcool bottlesOh no ? Who care ? Litteraly who care ? What was his plan ?Is this really didhonorabulu for the japs ? Maybe it's a good explanation on why they don't make childrens anymore
>>740426330I hate when j-rpg force me to swap party memberJust make a 5/6/7 or even 8 niggas in a row game
>>740441507Thank you Chang, Very Cool!
>>740438671Yes, 8 is too much (9 with kasumi the useless girl)
>>740441678Your welcomu
Makoto is adorable.
>>740423016More like the Queen steals the spotlight. God I love her sister so much!
>>740441824Ren canon wife is not useless
>>740441953This except ironically
>>740423016It's not her fault every one in the group is a fucking retard and her ass is so fat and sexy.
>>740441507>Is this really didhonorabulu for the japsYes it is, japs are retarded about society
>>740437971This is 100% correct. I do not think Makoto is some super terrible character, but the group felt way more fun when it was a bunch of dumbass outcasts who stumbled onto super powers.
>>740442209Stop acting like a nigger
>>740442221Interesting how Persona 3 has Mitsuru as a smart leader character but that doesn't take a shit on the entire story. Not until that game's writer's pet waifu Aigis is introduced. The fault is with the fucking Japs and how they write games.
>>740441183>girl wearing lipstickUh, yes?
you could say p5 was in college and no one would be able to tell the difference
>>740442358Specify what you mean by that.
>>740442495Yes, you would, since the characters would be getting hammered at parties where they are forced to drink copious amounts of alcohol by their seniors, every single day of the week.
>>740442358Honestly playing the Answer/Episode Aigis just made me start to dislike Aigis as a character. Also she's the weakest of the Wildcards in the series in terms of power scale.
>>740442701this is in japan, they would be twice as dead inside have no emotion other than study to become successful
>>740441667>8 niggas in a row gameany good games like this?
>>740435858>theyre a bunch of highschool kids, were you expecting them to be criminal masterminds on par with meyer lanskey or arnold rothsteinBro, how fucking stupid do you think teenagers are? Are you saying you were so dumb as a teen that you wouldnt think to not hide your tracks, then when some bitch tells you to do it after finding you, you still dont do it, then when another bitch hacks you, you STILL dont try to hide your shit with fucking codewords at least? Thats not "dumb impulsive teen" behavior, thats "I am literally too fucking stupid to breathe" territory. I can let the first time slide, sure. Maybe even the second time, though it undermines Makoto being "the smart one" since she was content on being a retard along side of them. But when Futaba literally finds them, and they STILL dont take precautions? Im sorry, you fucking lost me. Theyre all retarded. Especially Futaba who should KNOW how fucking easy it would be for the government to monitor/pull phone records. You know, while the government was actively fucking talking about hunting them down too. Dont make excuses for it dude, its just fucking terrible writing.
>>740423016>ryuji suggests we do something retarded>makoto says "erm no ryuji lets do common sense thing">random party member chimes in with "god you're so fucking smart queen we're so lucky you're here">this happens dozens of times
>>740434171>And all of this could have been avoided if they just started speaking in code.or if they simply didn't use phones for that shit. P5 came out AFTER Snowden leaked all of that shit so basic OPSEC should've been common knowledge. Criminals would throw their phones away YEARS before that too
>>740442867lollmaoNo dude, you do not understand Japan. Constant alcohol abuse is a thing as soon as you enter college and it is REQUIRED as part of your social life if you want to actually hang out with people.
>>740423016>>740424043babysitting PTs with makoto is dynamic of p5if you don't like it, you don't like p5
>>740443443life ends after high school in japan retard amerilard
>>740435858>theyre a bunch of highschool kids,When I was a teenager after smoking a cigarette I'd take a shower, rinse my clothes in deodorant and throw them to be washed so my mom wouldn't catch me. Joker has a fucking criminal record, he should be extra paranoid
>>740440824It really is funny if you get her last rank after Sae's palace and she tells Joker straight to his face her goal is to be a police officer not even a month after he was tortured and drugged. >>740442358I think Naoto is a better comparison to Makoto. And even though Naoto ends up overshadowing most characters in plot related scenes during the end game she at least doesn't shut down the others fun and is used better during gags.
>>740443368Ryuuji legitimately acts like an 8 year old. And a retarded one at that. It makes no sense. If the only way the writers had to make Makoto look smart was to make Ryuuji into that, they should have just dropped her from the story altogether.
>>740443513Even if you are specifically referencing Japanese entertainment like manga and anime, that is false. Maybe read/watch more than basic bitch shounen once in a while.
>>740443375Agreed. But I was opting for the barest minimum since you could argue it would be hard for them to coordinate without phone especially since Yusuke is in another school and Futaba is a neet. But then again, they could have just designated certain meet up days ahead of time to check in... regardless, yes, discression of some sort should be involved. I can buy Ryuuji/Ann being dumb, Yusuke being too art autistic, Morgana being not used to thinking about this stuff, and Joker being a bit overwhelmed with other shit in his life to think clearly, but there really just isnt an excuse after not one, but two warnings.
>>740443581After Makoto is introduced it's clear that the only reason any of these other characters exist at all is to make Makoto appear more valuable, their sole purpose in the story. They even took care to give Makoto gameplay favoritism with her stats too.
>>740443498>you don't like p5I would like P5 more if midkoto didn't exist
>>740443735My biggest issue is how Ryuuji says this >>740431875. This is just stupid. He could just say let's meet up at the usual spot and it would be completely fine
>>740443581They really need to also bring back Persona 3's system of tying persona evolution to story and not social link, maybe borrow from reloaded and just let you hang out with bros for other perks instead of SLs. Because like, Ryuuji is fine in his SL. Hes not a hyper dumbass. Not the brightest, but not a total fucking idiot. By the end he has a fair amount of maturity. And then the next day a story event happens and he drops 40 IQ and is choking out the cat. Its just fucking jarring. Junpei worked so fucking well simply because it was tied to the story. After he gets his evolution, you dont have 15 moments of Junpei being a turbo retard or acting like he did in the first few hours of the game. He's still the lighthearted character of the bunch, but he has that maturity and seriousness.
>>740443735I just realized, they could've had Futaba make them an encrypted messaging app. It would make her seem useful and let them talk to each other about PT business
>>740444102I think this is one of only 2 instances in the entire game where he calls you instead of sending texts. (not counting all the added confidant phone convos in Royal)
>>740444102Yea. Again, the narration is bending over backwards to make this shit work and it comes off really forced.
>>740442407>in high schoolUh, no?
>>740444301Yep. But they didnt, probably because they didnt want to introduce a text UI and then change it to something else (which is dumb and lazy). Or they just didnt think of it. But thats what happens when people try to make an ebin haxxor character in fiction while knowing fuck all about anything tech related I guess.
>>740444409NTA, but a lot of shit has probably changed since you were in highschool. When I was in highschool, you couldnt have facial hair and they'd make you shave it off. I know thats been done away with since then. So lipstick might be fine now in most highschools?
>>740444409Bro I lost my virginity at 11 with a 13 year old girl, and yes, she wore lipstick. Touch some grass.Makotofags are such virgins.
I hope Hackshino isn't allowed anywhere near Persona 6
>>740444470They could've had Futaba scold them on using an unencrypted app and then just reuse the same UI with a small icon that says something like "ENCRYPTED" or "PRIVATE" or something like this
>>740444710My waifu Makoto is a pure maiden who isn't anything like those cheap whores
>>740444740Yea probably. So they likely just didnt think of it. I dont know, its such a no-brainer thing to me that its baffling that they wouldnt, but maybe Im biased.
>makoto about to use atomic flare
>>740423016Imo All of the characters in P5 sucked ass... P1 P2 & 3 had the best ensemble
>>740443564Naoto is an interloper from a genre with a completely different tone (kid detective stuff) so she's less of a little Ms. Special and more inherently alienated, like Aigis and her '90s Pinocchio robot thing.
>>740445069Nigger.
>>740445419Pardon?
>>740445654Nigger.
>>740423070>off-model fanfiction
>>740445781Off model fanfiction is all makotocucks have, see >>740445069
>>740445069>she uses concentrate>her stomach gurgles
It's genuinely fucking insane that anyone ever thought P5 had a good story, good character dynamics, or good writing of any kind beyond maybe a couple scenes in the first two dungeons. What's even weirder is how so many 3fags will still shill the fuck out of 5 simply to try and 'own' 4fags.
>>740424351>anneshaved but styled>makototrimmed >haru curly>futabanot grow yet
Swap Makoto and Haru's spots in the party. Haru joins first and fills the "big sister" role, but she focuses more on emotional support than organization and strategy. Makoto still does the stalker routine but it's more developed, like she's waiting for you at the airsoft shop or the political rally and you have to postpone that confidant another day. Kaneshiro is the fifth palace and gets killed which is adequately shocking without creating something as traumatizing as Haru losing her dad then sweeping it under the rug. Now with Makoto you have someone that: 1. coerced the party into letting her join 2. adapted to the metaverse suspiciously easily 3. dresses in all black 4. insisted the party target someone that wasn't on their radar who is subsequently killed 5. is related to a public official trying to catch the phantom thieves. Now instead of Akechi being the obvious traitor you have another viable suspect.
>>740424351Kawakami has a huge untrimmed bush and Joker loves getting into to eat her pussy
>>740426330Agreed. I love the 4 so much.
>>740446419>SumiDepilated and waxed so she can get her leotard around her body
>>740423016Makoto my waifu!
>>740447104Shit my taste!
Makoto was the inevitable low point of "smart character that makes the rest look dumb" in that she's just... not that smart. She's actually pretty fucking dumb. Other characters losing IQ points in the presence of other characters happened in P4 as well, but in its worst example, at least Naoto was vastly smarter at playing detective than the rest of them, it was literally her job, so it worked. Makoto's bullshit is almost purely because the rest of the characters already established get really fucking dumb really fucking quick. If anything, the only truly OP brainiac character is Akechi, and it's actually kind of satisfying because he goes out of his way to dunk on Makoto on occasion. So it's like the game is aware of what they're doing with her, and that it's lazy, but they're doing it anyway. I will always prefer the more middling smart characters like Rise and Futaba, they get things on their own but don't ruin any dynamics when it comes to group interaction, not everything revolves around them exposition dumping. P3 was by far the least offensive when it comes to this, it still happens on occasion with Mitsuru, but every other character stays at their initial level of intelligence, so it's not so bad.
>>740447473In P4 Youske is above average intelligence and investigates very competently until Naoto (Makoto version 0.5) shows up and bores everyone with her girlboss bullshit
>>740447473She's not a strategist or a tactician she is explicitly the babysitter. She doesn't plan anything, make decisions for anyone, she organizes and gets everyone on the same page. I don't understand the hate. Outside of her acting retarded in her intro, she does nothing offensive. Just repeats what the party is saying to keep all the information together.
>>740447620That's what I meant to say, may not have said it well, but still. P4 started it first with Naoto, but at least Naoto is a somewhat convincing competent detective, Makoto does the same debuff everyone else thing but she's not convincingly smart whatsoever, it's why she's often described as one of those lazy Mary Sue characters some teenage girl would write.
>>740447881>at least Naoto is a somewhat convincing competent detectiveEven then Youske is a convincing amateur detective, so much that he is substantially more intelligent than Junpei or Ryuji
The moment Makoto slapped a bitch I knew, then and there, that she would be my wife.
>>740448041https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7zmmi4DUQ
>>740448119zoomer
Naoto...
It's been 10 years and retards are STILL forcing this meme
>>740448548I'm not ready for the localization trannies to ruin her in the remake
>>740423016Riko is just a better Makoto.
>>740423016I just like her JP voice actress
>>740448638Even Yusuke is better than Makoto
>>740448607I'm not ready for the sexy outfit to cover her buttcrack.
>>740448041girls slapping some sense into others are the best
>>740423016>joins the party>immediately becomes joker's foil>only one in the party that can match his quick witted action with her cold logic>clearly the perfect partner
>>740447793I don't hate her as a person, I don't think that's possible for me when it comes to these games, I end up loving all of the main characters. But it's still something that detracts from group dynamics and is highly unnecessary. I honestly wouldn't have minded if she was just the responsible student council babysitter, but they went beyond that and made the rest of the Thieves, player character included, act lobotomized around her to prop up her intelligence. I blame the writing, not her. Let every character have the things they're good at and spread the brainpower out. You can still have her chastising the group for being irresponsible, that much did work, but that's not where they stopped with her.Take Futaba for example since you posted her. She's clearly a very perceptive character and the game is good at writing that properly, but that's her lane as the Navi character and it's not overbearing. Only bullshit thing the game does with her is her bullshit hackerman thing, but that's not something the game deliberates on so it doesn't ruin any dynamics. And of course, she has inherent flaws that balance things out, she needs help with things the others take for granted because of her trauma and who she is. Where are Makoto's balancing flaws? Want her to be less grating? Give her counterbalancing debuffs.
>>740423437Nah, P4 danced around the pedo shit with that terrible nurse story. P5 committed with the cockslave teacher.
>>740448929Lmao
Who is the best second-in-command: Mitsuru, Yosuke, or Makoto?
>>740449025Yosuke
>>740424043>Ann and Chie that low>the tranny Naoto and throwaway redhead character that high>marie not on the list>they actually played the female in P3Is this the tumblr rankings?
>>740449025Most competent: MitsuruMost likable: YosukeBest design: Makoto
>>740448814Hilarious how Yukari was reviled on release, but now everyone considers her the best p3 girl except seething Aigisfags.
>>740424493Nobody reacts to this anymore. Too many Joker self inserters.
Bros... I just pooped the biggest Makoto I have ever seen in my life.
My perfect party in 5 was Yusuke, Makoto, and Akechi, representing justice for the weak, justice of rebellion, and absolute justice through retributionBut then Akechi got forced off my party so I had to go back to Morgana
>>740449563it's a cultural shift 20 years ago rabid otakus shrieked if a girl was something more than an obedient doll now things are different
>>740423016wow I've never seen anyone else say this. I really do think Makoto is where the dynamic of the Phantom Thieves starts to rot. I think she could've been a lot better of a character than we got, but the core issue is that this writing team didn't know how to write smart people, so they just made everyone around her unnaturally stupid. Ryuji and Ann aren't exactly known for being intelligent, but they're exaggerated to be far worse around Makoto.
>>740449780Not really. You quite literally cannot even have a male and a female character stand next to each other anymore without people flipping out. Self-inserting has ruined anime.
>>740449867That's dumb, P5 has that happen on many occasions. Ann and Ryuji outright flirt with each other on more than one occasion, other than that they have a friend dynamic going. Even Futaba and Yusuke vibe off each other, and Futaba on multiple occasions comments on male characters being attractive. Not even Yukari, for all of the bitchy realism she has going for her, ever plays off of another guy like that. Except for Junpei, but it's just her roasting the everloving shit out of him.
>>740449780You say that then post an Asuka image, an old school physicially abusive tsundere who was part of the OG shipping wars.
I played P5 when it came out, is it worth playing Royal? like in terms of how much stuff they added?
>>740450451It's mildly better than replaying the original game. So basically wait until you're in the mood for a replay.
>>740450451It's an actual nice upgrade, the new postgame chapter is genuinely pretty goodInfinite times better than the turd that was golden
>>740450572>the new postgame chapter is genuinely pretty goodIt's too short. It should have lasted until the day before Valentine's Day instead of ending in January
>>740450328If you don't believe me then look at the average gacha general and suggest that a non-MC male character is together with a female character and watch the sparks fly
>>740424043Japan with the horrible taste as usual
>>740450841>look at the average gacha generalI'd rather not. I get your point, but these are the absolute bottom of the barrel retards we're talking about. As dumb as the Persona fanbase can get as often as it does, it's nowhere near as bad as gacha shit.
>>740450841But Kotonoe is fun and you know she is
>>740423070>>740423016Makoto's ass is so large its gravitational pull affected the party dynamic and centered it all around her.
>>740451167>another "Makoto has da bigg azz" posterTired of these secondaries worshiping fan fiction
>>740450413also an actual character unlike rei
>>740452232Cuckold.
i liked the short part of maruki's palace where akechi was the navigator i want that for the whole game
>>740447793>She's not a strategist or a tactician she is explicitly the babysitter.The game literally says shes the smart one, even her SL ability relates to it
>>740455208He is the best commentator, everyone else on the mic is boring
>>740449563Nah, she's still a bitch that openly endangered MC and Junpei by talking shit to gang members, then never apologized for it. If Shinji wasnt there, MC and Junpei would have gotten their shit kicked in or worse, and she would have been rape meat in the back of the ally. She also was a dumb bitch in the Answer.>b-butI dont give a fuck what the demake did to soften her, she was still worst girl party member>UMMM IT WAS A LOCALIZATION-Even nips were saying she was softened, shut the fuck up. Tired of Yukarifags trying to push this retarded narrative.
>>740423016Main problem with Makoto is that she insists upon herself
>>740448041This is the Makotofag's entire personality
>>740451959>Tired of these secondaries worshiping fan fictionI don't give a shit, Makoto has a nice arse and I'm gonna emphasize its actual size for my own pleasure.Especially since she overeats on every food date you take her on.
Stop necrobumping your own thread, incel.
>>740455696Yeah I'm sure Door-kun who literally slays monsters for a living would get beat up by second rate bullies.
>>740451045They voted Joker as the #1 male character because of how bug brained they are
BTFO's off model copers
>>740450413As Anno said Asuka is for masochists and Rei is for sadists and that's why he shat on both of them
>>740450328>>740451050>As dumb as the Persona fanbase can get as often as it does, it's nowhere near as bad as gacha shit.Until they have Makoto interact with a male character
>>740423016I thought she was alright at first when she was awkwardly stalking you but I rolled my eyes at her le epic curbstomp awakening and then everyone making talking about how smart she is.
>>740423016>carries original game>but the noncanon remake is a yaoi fantasy so it doesn't matter
>>740424043I like Makoto, but Mitsuru out of the top ten is fucking absurd.
>>740458840/v/ is not one person, fagniggerkikeretard
>>740459978The game doesn't spend every moment telling you how great Mitsuru is the same way they do with Aigis and Makoto and those are also polls where fucking Joker is first.
>>740449008>Sumi Thighmaster Yoshizawahow can the other foids even compete?
>>740449008>Make new girl specifically engineered to appeal to its loser audience, constantly forcing her into the player's face, tripping over the self-insert MC dick every second, and constantly talking about how cool (You) are>Still lost to the humble Makoto
>>740450328This was nearly 10 years ago. Have a female character come within a 100 meter radius of another guy today, and self-inserts will cry "NTR!"
What is it with Makotofags and their Reddit style of posting?
>>740460578They're reddit users, obviously.
>>740424043japanese like makoto because she likes to study, same reason why sailor mercury was massively popular, more than any other sailor and even beat sailor moon sometimes
>>740460705>she likes to studyHave Japs by chance ever studied the subject of 'Not' importing jeets into their country?
>>740460558>Have a female character come within a 100 meter radius of another guy today, and self-inserts will cry "NTR!"That would happen if it applied to their favorite character Makoto back then. Time is irrelevant in this case. Makoto's popularity is because of how heavily protected she is and how she doesn't do anything with other male characters or even the other fucking female characters for that matter. Makotofags are another level of sensitive that if she were to ever interact with even another female character on friendly equal terms that would dirty her.They would fucking lose it if Makoto got too close to a male character.
>>740459978Tourists who only know Persona from porn really post shit like this unironically.
The defining trait of Makotofags is that they hate every character who isn't Makoto
>>740460319Your tears of unfathomable sadness are very yummy
I like Makoto with Haru because I want to fuck both of them plus the thought of Haru as Makoto's architect makes my dick go spastic
>>740447620You know, Naoto being there doesn't affect the team figuring out who the killer was. Yosuke could have solved the mystery by himself. Yosuke's intelligence is always underestimated.
>>740461149Post a picture of a persona game you own. Any of them.
>>740460578Redditors will always come up with whatever faux feminist sounding catchphrase that will grant them the moral oneupmanship and upvotes they seek in the moment and then in the next breath call everyone else used goods whores
>>740461404Happy?
>>740458918Yes retard, because they couldnt use their magic hax outside of the dark hour
>>740461371
>>740461893Typical secondary.
We love Makoto here
>>740443187>and they STILL dont take precautions?They actually do. It's mentioned off-hand in a throwaway line that Futaba gets them all set up in a private texting server that the government can't track anymore somehow. Is it lazy? Probably. But that's the explanation you're given.
>>740461867why the fuck do you have phantom x
>>740455696Holy mentally ill fanfics.
>>740462074What would the reaction be if she did this with Goro Akechi?
>>740462074This except we do not.
>>740462074Only you. No normal person is attracted to farty girls.
>>740462205don't speak for us, we love her
>>740461371>>740461986The fact that Atlus made these two remain together after the end of Royal makes me think this is canon. I guess it makes sense given that Makoto is such a butch-looking girl, tho I feel kinda bad for Haru.
>>740461867That's a random screenshot, retard. Post a picture of a physical game with this thread in the bg, faget
>>740462314>wereddit pls
>>740440230Hag power is too strong in 5
>>740462224You're supposed to plug up farty girls with Anal.
>>740462393I'm good.
>>740462057They literally cant at that time of the series. No, random spinoff shit and events that happen later doesnt change this. You can go ahead and point to the time before this where anyone summoned outside of the dark hour. About the only time I remember it happening all game is when Chidori's shit was trying to kill her in the hospital
>>740462139He's completely right about the back alley thing at least, it was a bitch move and she at least should have said sorry for being rash afterwards
>>740462224Everybody farts
I guess it makes sense you are attracted to farts since you like stinkoto
>>740462984Retard secondary.
>>740461893>>740462057Actual brainrotten P4 anime secondary in the wild lol, it has been a while since I've seen one.
>>740463437staying in shape is hard and I don't enjoy doing itshit sucks /v/ros
>>740463558Human beings are living rituals.You are what you continue to do.
>>740463535Are you going to dispute it or are you going to keep crying?
>>740463437>r-retard-They dont consciously do it at this point in time in the game. At all. Also why are you posting demake shit, retard?
>>740462984
>Anon brings up valid point about yukari being an ass>UM WELL ACHTUSLLY THEY TOTALLY CAN MANIFEST PURSEOWNERS AT WIL THERE WAS NO REAL DANGER AND-If they werent in danger, why was MC and Junpei both shitting their pants, and why were they all like "wowie I sure am glad Shinji was there to save us"?
>>740464115>>740464216Unc you are 40, why are you embarrassing yourself like this?
>>740464317Yes, I mentioned this>About the only time I remember it happening all game is when Chidori's shit was trying to kill her in the hospitalThis happens way after that point in the game, on someone who has had persona powers for a long ass time comparatively, and was also out of control and not conscious at all, and was trying to kill her. So, how would this help MC, Junpei, and Yukari from not getting their shit slapped since they had never, ever summoned a persona outside of the dark hour before?
>>740464396>devolves into babble because he cant argue the pointIs there a more satisfying feeling than embarrassing faggots like this?
>>740464469I dunno I wasn't part of the argument.But later on Akihiko and MC take our a huge army of thugs in one of the added hangouts in Reload, and it's suggested having a Persona even if unmanifested affects your physical strength as well.At the point you're talking about, Yukari is a bitch and gets in over her head.
>>740434171It should be implied that the hacker gurlll encrypted the communications after she joined the team
>>740464396NTA but >>740464350
When are we getting Persona avengers with a huge world ending threat that needs the heroes of 3 4 and 5?
>>740464620Who are you quoting?
>>740464580>But later on Akihiko and MC take our a huge army of thugs in one of the added hangouts in Reload, and it's suggested having a Persona even if unmanifested affects your physical strength as well.Didnt play reload so thats news to me.>At the point you're talking about, Yukari is a bitch and gets in over her head.Agreed, thank you for being reasonable
>>740464746Are you really so determined to not admit that Yukari has some bad moments? Like holy fuck dude.
I don't give a shit nor do I want to waste time discussing whether Makoto's presence made the other characters dumber or not. This has been discussed to death on this board.The core issue is that everyone just starts ADORING HER so.fucking.FAST. It's just unrealistic and reeks of really poor writing. Dumber, less competent people do not just randomly start liking more competent someone who right before joining the team has been actively antagonistic against them for MONTHS. It's just incredibly jarring, humans simply do not work that way, it's borderline impossible to suspend your disbelief unless you are bad at reading and just play the game for the goonbait.
>>740464687I just want Nanako and the P3 loli to be party members as teens. Maybe the get smoked kid too
>>740465013And it's not done like that with any other character. it's just her they glaze like that. Someone on the dev team really wanted to fuck her VA.
>>740423994B A S E DASED
>>740438935The best choice in Persona 5
>>740424296Im straight and have never seen the appeal of anal, even more so when I learned how much prep actually goes into it to not get shitdick. Like, the pussy is right fucking there.
>>740462129NTA, but Phantom X is a good gacha, especially if you're f2P and have been playing since day one, they give you enough crystals to pull all the best units. The 1 year anniversary starts next week and they're going to release some broken unit, people have been saying it's Miku but I doubt it.
>>740423016Makoto is the only good character of P5's cast. Otherwise, it's only adults like Maruki, Kawakami or Takemi.
>>740460319She's emotionally damaged, refuses to join your team, only meaningfully interacts with you 3 times over the course of the school year, and only appears in the opening scene of P5R to act as a Poochie since it doesn't make much sense for her to be there.
Reading (i.e skimming) through this thread reminds me that I should actually finish my replay of P5. Ended up getting into Persona (and even some of atlas other games) because of a classmate in high school suggesting it to me back when I was younger.I want to see if she really was as bad as people are claiming in this thread, especially since what >>740465013 is saying felt more like a problem in P4 with Marie and the Investigation Team
>>740465725>felt more like a problem in P4 with Marie and the Investigation TeamThats not fair, Marie is like the absolute worse and makes Makoto look way better by comparison.
>>740424043I wonder how much of this is down to conformist women all voting the same shit. They're the reason the MC always wins Persona popularity polls, they all mass vote for him and boys split their votes across different waifus.
>>740451045>Japan>Literally different polls from all over the worldUh-huh, sure.
>>740465875That's exactly why I'm interested in seeing if it was awful, and I just didn't notice it because 'baby's first persona game' syndrome
>>740466001*and if I just
>>740465725I don't hate her but I did have to concede that the people that call her a poochie have a point. But it doesn't keep going to the end of the game either.
>>740465725She's not, it's just a couple of contrarians airing their mentally ill fanfics.
>>740466001Youll notice it, but its pretty easy to gloss over it because a bunch of other shit is happening.
The Futaba glazing is worse than the Makoto glazing so I believe this is a conspiracy from the Futaba schizos
>>740465725She is not bad, just boring. You will see.I unironically don't understand what those Makotofags see about her
>>740466531I can tell you that I dont particularly like Futaba either. Makoto is the start of the game starting to slip, futaba carries it, and then Morgana going full retard and ruining Haru's arc completes the stretch of the low point of the game
>>740465996>won by only 14 votesI guess she is not that beloved after all
>>740466617The game truly is all downhill after the Kamoshida kino
>>740423016nah that's Morgana
>>740423016Why do people overestimate Makoto's importance to the party when Morgana and Futaba are the real brains behind the group?
>>740466617Haru doesn't have an arc. Her introduction is tacked on Morgana's arc.
>>740466801I think Madarame is alright, its just that Kamoshida hits so fucking hard right out the gate that you cant follow it up/escalate it very well. I always say that Persona 5 starts out as an 11/10, then goes wayyyy down but pulls back up to like an 8 by the end
>>740423016Makoto's the most noticeable, but there's a lot more Phantom Thieves that just don't belong. Out of everyone, the only ones that fit in when it comes to everything (themes, dynamic, dialogue, personalities, etc) are Morgana, Ryuji, Futaba, Yusuke, and Joker. Teenage outcasts trying to take control of their world for a change was what the Phantom Thieves should've always been. A wealthy fashion model, a student council president with a big shot lawyer for a sister, and a fucking heir to a multi-million dollar corporation just do not belong and I still cannot believe to this day that they couldn't think of anything better, so they just kinda gave up on it to extend the playtime.
>>740467138>pulls back up to like an 8 by the endI didn't like that the ending was once again using the power of friendship to kill Gnostic god. Shido was a decent villain on his own.
>>740463535>>740464396Now I'm not going to say all P4 haters are like this...But a lot of the really vocal ones are exactly like this. I wonder why that is?
>>740444341What bothers me most is that it takes away more from the claim that Makoto is smart, because it makes it seem even more like she was just accidentally right about them being the PTs and all the evidence and proof she got was just due to pure luck and Ryuji being a dumbass, all of which were completely outside her control.
>>740467048Haru's arc is shunted into her social link because Morgana's bitch ass took over her arc. He's a poorly aped junpei with a nonsense conflict that could be resolved in 5 seconds if literally anyone was like "hey Morgana you literally fill 2 niche's that nobody else on the fucking team can do (sneak around/deliver calling cards as a cat and turn into their only means of transport with Momentos), why the fuck are you acting like you are being replaced?"Its absolute fucking melodrama schlock where everyone inexplicably becomes super retarded and refuses to say the obvious thing to de-escalate, which is why its the worst part of the entire game. Then the dungeon boss itself also fucking sucks for the shit cherry on top.Ironically, it makes Haru's Social Links one of the best of the party member's because they were forced to actually flesh her out during it instead of doing dumb shit like Makoto's where they made the SL about her dipshit friend
>>740467250Fair enough and I do agree in that Shido should have just been the final boss.
>>740423016Ann would be best girl if she commanded you to lick the sweat out of her suit after every dungeon. Best girl is Kawakami because she’s ruining her life and that means she’ll do anything sexually.
>>740443564One thing that makes Naoto better, IMO anyways, is that she is smart and mostly reasons things out logically, but is legitimately hampered by the fact she doesn't, and couldn't possibly, know about the tv world while trying to figure things out. Then she makes an illogical leap by making herself a target, and gets predictably punished for it, and despite it working out the game doesn't make light of how much of a suicidal bonehead move it was.
>>740467832I wish they said something about that and had Naoto embarrassed and admit she was being overly emotional at the time.
>>740467903I ship Naoto with my man Kanji and I'm proud. Chad Narukami can have the rest of all the foids in P4.
>>740467391Delusional, Haru is basically a collection of everything that was wrong about Mitsuru.
>>740468091Basically my stance as well. Like I think Naoto is great, but her and Kanji warms by cold heart and I just cant romance her. Yosuke gets Labrys anyway. Or his own personal femboy onahole
>>740468501Not really, but pop off I guess.
>>740423016you mean fixes
>>740466531>Makotofag getting assmad and deflecting into flat out making shit up to shit on FutabaEvery time.
>>740468565>Haru's confidant is good because her arc and screentime are nonexistent How is this not delusional?
>>740423016How good do you guys think she is as a party member? IMO I think they made her way too good and useful given her healing and damage skills. It kinda overshadows some of the other thieves.
I went with Hifumi even though I liked Makoto more. Her and Joker seemed to have good chemistry at first and I felt it made sense for Joker to appreciate a relationship outside of the thieves where he could relax and spend some quiet time away from the chaos. Unfortunately Hifumi's stuff really fizzled out towards the end and she basically disappeared from the game but I'm not a cheatfag so I didn't switch to anyone else. Was tempted to switch to Sumire in the third semester but she became pretty boring after rank 6 so I stuck with Hifumi. Dunno who I'd go with were I ever to do NG+. Most of the confidants became quite asinine towards the end.
>>740468865Really good. Mediarahan is always useful, defense buff if you need it, concentrate, and the new nuclear element can be REALLY good if you use it on something that has burn/freeze/shock for the technical hit.To top it off, she gets the +10 to all stats weapon instead of the MC.
>>740464216I think he's implying that Makoto can easily take care of himself in a physical fight since he's canonically stronger than Akihiko.
>>740468674Actually I'm a completely neutral hagchad
>>740468976I don't know if they are ever compared, but the two of them literally beat up an entire gang by themselves with just their fists. The police is officer is also like "wtf how actually wait just don't do this again".
>>740468940I can see why some anons think shes the dev's favorite kek. Seriously she gets a lot of love in the game.
>>740468825Notice how this wasn't what was actually said. You're doing a really poor job of getting people to want to engage with you.
>>740424043It's not surprising when she naturally comes off as the best fit for Ren.
>>740469056Well, bad news, she is not. Haru is the devs favorite, believe it or not.Sorry Makotocuck.
>>740469171>Haru is the devs favoritePeople literally talk about how she got fridged by the story to this day. I like Haru but that fucking cat's antics ruined the Okumura arc.
>>740469148not after P5R
>>740469249Why did they make their showtime so romantic....
>>740469219I'm not talking about how Haru's arc was rushed. I'm saying that Haru is the devs' favorite girl.They've said it several times before.
>>740462129It's actually a decent Persona 5 spinoff. The devs consider it a proper sequel so it gets quite a lot of love. I consider the writing better than P5 and most of P4 as well.
>>740469080It was. Haru being a non-character doesn't make her confidant good. It's just a copypaste of Mitsuru's SL with a pinch of nepobaby entrepreneurship on top.
Eupha is the only good Persona girl and I’m only kinda kidding.
>>740469314cause she is the canon romance obsly
>>740468865>How good do you guys think she is as a party member?Busted as fuck. She starts being able to do pretty much everything, then doesn't get any good physical skills for endgame and pivots into just a magic oriented character with balanced stats who can still do almost anything. Royal even gives her a fucking multi target Debilitate, which is just like... come on man. We get it, she's someone's waifu on the dev team, chill out a bit.
>>740469395it alrightthe timegating to play the story fucking sucks thoughhappened to me in the dam and havent gone back
>>740469449You mean Lavenza.
>>740469549nah, she wishes tho
>>740423016Love jow PEAKoto makes v mald.Even best singer knows who best girl is.
>>740469475This. On my second playthrough I even avoided using Makoto as much as possible. Shes too OP.
>>740469413>It's just a copypaste of Mitsuru's SL2/10, you gotta do better then that my guy. Also Im tired and going to bed so like I said, pop off
>>740469605Who is that tranny? I'm not into idol shit, but that looks like a man.
>>740468976>he's canonically stronger than Akihiko.Huh? Something in reload?
>>740469413Oh this retard againI'm glad you at least were forced to adjust the "it's literal copypaste!" to admit the coffee shop is nothing like anything in Mitsuru's link after getting BTFO last time. Also no you're still misreading the post if you think it's saying the link is good because Haru is a non-character in the story. Try again.
>>740448548Doesn't she cuck you for a Persona motorcycle?
>>740423016never really got this complaint about Makoto, she gets replaced as "the smart party member" literally one dungeon after she joins.
>>740423016The only thing I watch on youtube anymore is cop bodycams
>>740469759Yeah, Futaba is the real brain of the group.
>>740469654The lead singer of P5 aka peak OST comes from her.
>>740469734No I'm a real person and not a fictional character.
>>740469605Wow... She... dressed up in the soujin uniform...
>>740469759>even more deflecting into but what about FutabaYou guys really do only have one argument. Also no she doesn't, Futaba isn't disruptive to group dynamics like Makoto is, in fact she's more of an instigator of group interplay. She's smart at the thing she does and level headed for everything else, not to mention straight-up useless for some things due to her being a hikkineet. Makoto still acts like the group leader until Akechi comes in and fucks with her like he usually does.
>>740469716Then what makes Haru's confidant "good"? Your fanfics about Atlus prioritization are just fanfics. Haru has nothing in the main story and her confidant about company inheritance and fiancee is exactly like Mitsuru's. And her SL is one of the worst in P3.
>>740469704Akihiko glazes him in his sidequest, but that's just typical MC wanking imo.
>>740469539Best way to play it just finish the story content, uninstall, then come back in a year after the next palace is complete. Personally I keep up with it because I want to play around with the P3 characters.
I honestly think every girl in the PT gets a kind of hinted romance moment. Sumire is mega pushed in Royal of course but that last cutscene with her kinda uh makes it seem like she's not canon so idk
>>740425474>more annoying than og p5 Morganaqrd? Only played royal
>>740470235IIRC Atlus considers Strikers canon and it's a sequel to P5, not Royal.
After how disappointing P5 was, I only imagine how bad P6 is going to be. The hype for the game on /v/ was more fun than actually playing through it.
>>740469605Looks nothing like Lamekoto though. She was just wearing a female variation of the Shujin uniform.
>>740469759Futaba isn't really a character after her arc. She's basically a plot device for stuff to happen thanks to hacker magic.
>>740470065The poop coffee part was memorable
>>740426691>t. P3 babby3 is fine, but 4 and 5 outclass it.
>>740470302>After how disappointing P5 wasI feel like people who say this just don't have a good memory for what P3 and P4 were like. P5 is obviously not a perfect game and is inferior to the previous two in some aspects, but also vastly superior in things like the gameplay and social link departments. I feel people were getting their hopes up way too high, got disappointed based on their unreasonable expectations, then collectively forgot what P3 and P4 were like. Either that or they just pretended like they played them.
>>740442861>Also she's the weakest of the Wildcards in the seriesHow is Aigis the weakest wildcard?
>>740470065They aren't really alike at all except for surface level similarities for double digit IQs to recognize and feel smart. Or in your case to see and go "Grug see thing echo other thing! That mean exact same! Grrrrr"
>>740470590I don't think she has ever pulled the super friendship powered move?I remember P4MC used it to own Liz but dunno if Aigis has something like that.Dunno how the Remake does it but OG Aigis Wild Card didn't do WC stuff like using friendship for fusion or super move.
>>740470235She literally promised that she is going to come back for Ren if you date her on White DayTactical confirms that Royal is canon btw
>>740447793anyone else prefer Shadow futaba's look? I'm honestly surprised the game didn't add let you wear her shadow's costume
>>740470302What worries me more is Metaphor. That was their last game and it was a huge disappointment, not bad just mid.
>>740470440>Futaba isn't really a character after her arcYes she is? She's one of the most relevant characters to the main story, what with her being a package deal with Sojiro. Only other characters that beat her out are Makoto with her ties to Sae, and Akechi because of course he is, and Morgana for similar reasons as Akechi. Ryuji, Ann, Yusuke, and Haru are the ones that drop off a cliff of relevance after their arcs.
>>740448638lame outfit + gacha slop
>>740470551Not going to pretend P3/4 had good gameplay, but at least the characters were fun/interesting and P3 handles it main themes better than whatever the fuck Hashino was trying to do in P5.
>>740470687Feel free to point out actually significant differences. Main plotpoints are the same. Different gimmicks "what's a hamburger" vs "poop coffee" don't bear any narrative load.
>>740450779Agreed. For the price tag, they should've given you more days.
>>740448638She looks like a mix of Hifumi and Yusuke.
Makoto really comes off as a creator's pet character, and it's no surprise the quality of the game's writing takes a severe dip when she joins the team. However, I think it's the double whammy of Makoto and Futaba together that really drag the narrative down; Futaba's arc really brings "omg THE CONSPIRACY" front and center for the rest of the game, on top of multiple other characters becoming straight up retarded to give more narrative weight to the two of them.
>>740470753Tactica plays before Strikers which was actually advertised as P5-2.She is still not canon
>>740471007Explain how they're the same beyond surface level echos like "mean fiance" and "heiress having succession crisis"
>>740470294Yeah I heard that but I afaik nothing in Strikers actually contradicts Royal so I'm pretty sure it's still canon to it as well. I think the lore explanation for her absence is that she's probably doing gymnastics, plus she's just not as close to the thieves as everyone else is to each other I suppose?
>>740470551P3&4 aren't the mega hits that 5 was so of course they will call the most popular one shit anf then rose tint the fuck out of 3&4 despite yes being eerily similar.
>>740471114Ryuji talks about Maruki in Tactica, stupid.Stop crying about Royal and have sex already, waifutard.
>>740435858bro making it obvious he literally just recently watched Boardwalk Empire
>>740471170She is kind of forced into the thief stuff so she is ill conceived as Joker main girl.Strikers at least has a cuter red headed girl (Shame she leaves).
>>740471209Again Tactica is before Strikers so timeline wise Striker is more canon.
>>740470967>P3 handles it main themes better than whatever the fuck Hashino was trying to do in P5P3's story and themes edge out P5's for me, so no argument there, but P5 is still done well. It's all a statement on how legitimately unfair Japanese society is for people who are shunned, and pulls from real world examples of things that happened. The Thieves had cheat powers to escape their inescapable fates, but that's not the message, all that does is emphasize that their situations are unfair and their only way out was to be cheating bastards. Then the endgame shifts to the usual "supernatural solution to unbeatable supernatural problem" and serves as an allegory to give real people hope. You're not a Phantom Thief, you don't have Persona powers, shit's unfair. What you can do is not look away when injustice happens, that's the starting point. Thieves go from being the false problem solvers to what they're truly supposed to be: a source of hope and a rebellious spirit.
>>740471282Now you are changing the subject, you just said Kasumire is not canon, except she is since Tactica confirms Royal, and now you are talking about Strikers? You okay?
>>740471150Why do you think that the main plot points are just echoes?Aftermath of their fathers dying with chaos and politics at the company is the premise.Their fiancees play into this.They both struggle, but in the end assert themselves, dump fiancees and accept the burden of the company.
>>740470551>but also vastly superior in things like the gameplay/v/ says the gameplay in 5 is worse though
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>>740471423Haru does not accept the burden of the company lolEven in your disingenuous summary you can't get that right.Even in your cherrypicked example to make your case look as good as possible you STILL fuck up and fail.
Atlus would never make a romance canon because of the waifuwars but if I had to say who was the most pushed strictly in story it'd probably would be between Ann or Makoto. I agree with that anon about the Kasumire ending...I would have said her if not for that. No bias cause they're not my favs either
>>740471391I said she is not canon because of Strikers existing and that point still stands.P5S was advertised as P5-2 so its canon overrides spinoffs that take place before it.Also sold the best so its the one most people experienced so more canonical.You can skip Tactica and lose nothing.>>740470235>but that last cutscene with her kinda uh makes it seem like she's not canon so idkThe ending of Royal is extremely lame and thats because of Sumire ignoring you and the Akechi tease.Replayed the original route afterwards and it was way better with you going back to your place with the gang and it nicely ties into Strikers.
For some reason this red haired dumbo makes Makoto fans seethe a lot
>>740470967>P3 handles it main themes better than whatever the fuck Hashino was trying to do in P5.I'm a big P3 fan and it's my favorite Persona game (possibly one of my favorite games period) but I appreciate and enjoy what Persona 5 was trying to do. The other anon explained it pretty well but I also wanted to explore that a bit further.>The first arc was the best one, it's downhill from there!This is a common criticism of P5 and it's sadly ironic because it also ties in to Persona 5's core conflict: people stop giving a shit when something isn't personal to them anymore. The first arc was VERY personal. The characters had no choice but to get involved because their ethics wouldn't let them be perfectly idle.After that, the conflicts get increasingly less personal:>A nearby student is in a shitty situation.>A bunch of students are getting caught in a grift.>A borderline suicidal recluse girl is reaching out for help.>Wagies are being abused.>The justice system is corrupt.>The political system is corrupt.>The entire world is willingly enslaved.It goes from a situation you could potentially handle as a human being to situations most people wouldn't dare dream of doing anything about no matter how much they hate it, inevitably arriving at the discussion of Freedom vs. Security, and tolerating corrupt authorities.It's such a strong theme that the final boss is mirrored and foreshadowed in the first one with the grail full of people that the boss feeds on.Quite deliberately creating their suffering while they go along with it because he offers an incentive. It's a topical game and one I think everyone could learn from, because rebellion is going to be increasingly necessary as time goes forward.
>>740471652It's actually the other way around >>740424043
>>740471652makoto has the better hips and ass. Joker knows who to breed with.
>>740471627>You can skip Tactica and lose nothing.Yet Tactica is canon, as are all the other shitty spin-offs, including Strikers. Too bad! I guess Kasumire and Royal are the real canon after all
>>740471587Yes she does, play the game before shitposting about it.
>t-they're exactly the same in these three main points>o-okay two main points! One of which is just a framing device. Also please don't bring up how the fiance is a footnote in Haru's linkThat other anon was right not to waste time with you lol. NEVER argue with Makotofags, their knowledge comes from youtube videos and wiki articles
>People still having the "Royal is not canon" argument when it has been 6 to 7 years since Royal's releaseWhen is the last time you saw Sophie in anything?Kasumire is still whored out along with the rest of the Thieves for collabs, even the team art they've been doing for the anniversary this year includes Kasumire.
>>740471775>shitty spin-offsExcept since Strikers ignores Royal as is an actual canon spinoff touted as P5-2 guess we can say Kasumi abd Royal arent canon.
>>740471879Feels like nobody ever talks about Strikers
>>740471694Eh losing by 14 votes isn't that bad. I bet there was a lot of bots in that poll too.>>740471723Nah.
>>740471887Sorry virgin-kun, but Royal is canon you like it or not.
>>740471932Zenkichi best boy.
>>740471656>people stop giving a shit when something isn't personal to them anymoreYup, and that's the main reason why they pivot into their endgame motives. P3 and P4 are properly balanced when it comes to conflict and solution: supernatural solution (Persona and bonds) to a supernatural problem (shadows and whatever fuckoff unbeatable final boss shows up). The supernatural things don't have any real point aside from allegory, you could say the same things without a superatural story.P5, on the other hand, upends this balance from the get-go. It's characters using their supernatural solution for a NATURAL problem. It's wrong. False. But also done on purpose, as like I said, the Thieves shift their motives to right the conflict-resolution balance: they use their supernatural solution for an unbeatable supernatural problem and allow themselves to be allegory again. They're not the real world solution, they're the message. P5 is far more clever in its overall structure than people realize.
makotofags coping and seething will never stop being funny
>>740472004I've heard many great things about him. Is he really that based?
>>740472096>P5 is far more clever in its overall structure than people realize.I think most Atlus games are, but with the sheer length of the Persona games, the message can get lost under layers of silly social dynamics, dungeon crawling and social link stuff.I think the social links are thematically done well, what with all of them in each respective game staying true to the overall theme. P3's social links always involve death+rebirth, metaphorically or literally or both. P4's are about seeing through truth and the characters always come back to the start with a more clear perspective without the static. P5's are all about rebellion and an authoritative force.But I think the social link focus is getting a bit too heavy of a focus. I think it should be dropped for a new, more engaging mechanic that isn't just dialogue options. These games have a LOT of dialogue already.>>740472246He's pretty cool, I like him a lot. More so than the other new girl who was too similar to Aigis. I hope we get another adult character in the party in the next game.
>>740472004I liked him a lot more than I thought I would. Also funny to have an old man teammate
>>740472364is joker supposed to be a young adult here? I think he was 16 in P5.
>>740472456He is 17 in P5 and 18 in the spin-off.
>>740472364>But I think the social link focus is getting a bit too heavy of a focusI think there's a middle ground to this. There's so much that's offloaded to links that it makes the main story almost secondary to the links. I think what they need to do is at least make social links with the main cast an automatic progression with dialogue variances for the girls for romance purposes, that way you can put character progression back into the story and prevent post-arc character irrelevance. Still keep the non-main social links as optional, though. The dialogue chocie based social sim is why I love modern Persona, RPG + Social Sim combo is a very compelling gameplay combo to me.
>>740471652Considering Makoto's the more popular one, I think it's the other way around.
>>740472456Makoto gets her license and can drive because she's 18, I think Joker's 17 and turning 18 or something because I vaguely remember a comment that he could drive soon.
>>740472619The only ones getting full schizo about Royal are the Makoto fans though?
>>740472625Come to think of it, isn't it fucking weird how these games do so much stuff for events and holidays but we never get to see one for character's birthdays? That's also a special day yet we pass through the whole year with no mention of it.
>>740471992Sorry incel tachi but Strikers remain the only canon continuation that de canonizes anything contradicting it.
>>740472625Damn, this game looks ugly. Why are the edges of the characters so weird looking?
>>740472845Strikers not talking about Sumire or Akechi doesn't make them not canon.
>>740472876No anti-aliasing at all because it had to run on the switch.
>>740472845Nope, but keep being delusional about it. You make people laugh at least.>incelI'm not a virgin like you though, waifuanon.
>>740472905It very much does.Was also pretty jarring to see the gang take Shido seriously in Strikers while in Royal they shit on him to make Maruki look cooler.So its hard for me to see it as canon considering who the final boss is as well (Who Royal also shit on).>>740472992>I'm not a virgin.Sure incel tachi sure. Keep coping to make a game canon just because you are lusting after a 15 year old girl
>>740472945Yeah, but that's a switch problem, no? Why don't they fix it for PC? I know the answer, laziness.
>>740472945I mean it's literally just a toggle. They can turn it on for PC.
>>740473096Boo hoo
>>740473116There is a toggle but it's not much better, the game still looks far worse than P5 base or royal lol.
>>740473198Wow why do you post your portraits?You will get doxxed bro.
>>740473241I think he was posting an impression of you, virgin-kun.
>>740473201>the game still looks far worse than P5 base or royal lol.The reason for that is because the game was ported to an internal KT engine which used the Switch as the development console. It's why Strikers looks so rough because the game was based around Switch hardware.
>>740473273But thats clearly his photo incel tachi.
>>740470201When will this die so it gets turned into a real Persona game?Didn't it like flop in the west?Heard it was extremely greedy.
>>740473449Atlus will probably keep the game going until the story is at its conclusion and the story is setup for 7 Palaces. The game is currently on Palace 4 and the Palaces have only been getting longer.The game does okay. Not amazing, but enough that Atlus seems to be happy with it.It's not really greedy since you can clear story content with the Canon thieves, but the game has zero soft pity. If you are a day 1 player who kept playing you should have pretty much whichever characters you want.
>>740473390Maybe you're right, virgin-kun. You're clearly delusional, so it wouldn't make sense for you to be upset, since you truly believe all the lies you post.
>>740423016>played through the game twice, once for vanilla, once for Royal.>Get two choices for romance.>Kawakami twice, no regrets. It's canon, fuck you.
>>740473449It's a "mainline game" so it probably won't die until P6 releases at the earliest. Their other SMT gacha has been going for like 10 years lol
>>740473645>Kawakamibut that's pedophilia
>>740473805Her problem, not mine.
>>740473787>SMT gachaWait what? This is the first time I've heard of it.
>>740473645
>>740473913It was discussed quite a bit on /v/ when it released, but everyone dropped it since it was turbo p2w being an older JP gacha and all.
I played this game in front of my family and my dad insisted I date her. I don’t know if that meant anything.
>>740474081he fucked your mom so it doesn't mean much
>>740474004>KresnikLove that guy.Fuck gacha though.>Hmmm yeah those games are good but I'd like them to be chore simulator casinos instead.anyone who thinks that should be lobotomized.
She singlehandedly brought the game from 10/10 to 7/10, pretty impressive.
>>740473583But you are the one who posted your picture.Maybe once you have sex you will have some sanity incel tachi.
>>740474004The gacha is a treasure trove of old school demon 3D models.I had a classic Tiamat somewhere too.
>>740474620That wasn't me but oh well. You know, I actually prefer Makoto over the rest of the PT, though I’d prefer Kasumire. It’s a shame you know, people like you only give Makoto a bad name. At least you are not spamming porn like other Makoto fans usually do.Royal is canon btw, grow some balls and accept it. Or not, your problem.
>>740423437holy shit, idgaf how many dicks have gone inside her. I want to eat her everything
>>740473560>Zero soft pityYou're guaranteed to get the featured character in 100 pulls, and I find they give enough gems that you can pretty much get everyone, even if you can't max them out.
>>740423016She kind'a does, honestly. She completely takes over the group.It's caused by Joker being a silent protagonist, which is a fuckstupid trope that needs to die, but hey.
>>740423437hairy jeet
>>740475857>which is a fuckstupid trope that needs to die, but hey.Next persona game being like mass effect where every single choice is voiced and you make every single choice would be kino.
I actually like Makoto alot but she was better when she was spying on you. I think the game would of been better if she joined later, hell around Sae's palace would've been great
>>740471234ive actually been reading the audio book of Selwynn Raab's The 5 Families :-)
>>740476627Would have been nice if talking to her at that point actually mattered in some way
>>740474170Making assumptions, are we?
>>740476076Atlus doesn't have the money for that, anon.
>>740470551I played P4 after P5 and I.enjoyed it more.P5 gameplay is better and the UI is more stylish but I don't know... I realized while playing P4 that I didn't actually care for most of P5 characters while the only character I found truly lame in 4 was Marie and her cringe poetry.
>>740470551you're a retard zoomie, shut your mouthP5 is worse in every single way besides presentation. Especially to P3.
>>740480127I liked Yusuke and some of the side characters. Tora was fucking based.
the fatlus fanbase is full of maldajusted fat atustic incels who never interacted with a woman in real life, of course they would prefer the robot bitch that has the personality of a rock>ooooh anon (Joker) bring me to play with your manchildren toys you are so cool and stuff..... I need to socialize more... I can't fit in with normies or somethingI know this is a thread focused on Makoto's ass but can we have a real talk for a moment
>>740480272Some characters were good but after P4 and doing a second P5 playthrough I didn't like how almost every non party member link end up with magically solving their problem from mementos (Funnily Tora is one of the exceptions).
>>740480943Yeah I didn't like how the party members felt like they had less camaraderie compared to the Investigation Team. Did a different writer come in during P5 or something? The difference is jarring when you move from the Yosuke-P4 MC-Kanji and Chie-Yukiko shenanigans to...whatever was going on between the Phantom Thieves.
>>740423016>Makoto thread hitting bump limitShe would.
>>740481068i can't wait to make the next one!
Is there any reason not to date and fuck all the girls and then have all 10 of them find out together and bash the shit out of you the day after valentine's day? I can't see any downsides to this
>>740448814anyone got the webm of this with all the anon's drawings compiled with the virtua cop music?
>>740469219The main thing I hated about Morgana breaking up with the party is how retardedly contrived it was and it just looked like Morgana was pissy that Ryuji finally stopped being a punching bag.Which was retarded because there was a perfectly valid reason: the Phantom Thieves were starting to get high on their own supply and Morgana thought they were starting to lose sight of why they were doing this in the first place. Hell, they decided to go after Okumura based on a fucking popularity poll, that alone could have been the last straw for Morgana to finally snap and have a legitimate reason to chew them out for it.
>>740481754Cheating is bad though.
>>740481902>The main thing I hated about Morgana breaking up with the party is how retardedly contrived it wasThat, and it's coming off of what was arguably the best arc, if not then the second best after Kamoshida's. That look into Wakaba's research and the implication that Futaba's palace was masterfully crafted by the glowies to keep her trapped makes things 100% more interesting. Oh man, I wonder how things can escalate from here... or not, we're regressing so hard that the next party member is hardly the star of her own arc. I'm in pain just thinking about it, that part of the game is so unbelievably ass.
>>740482280>we're regressing so hard that the next party member is hardly the star of her own arcThat, and Haru in general being crippled by coming so late into the game. Thankfully she got plenty more love in the spin-offs which was nice. I hope P6 frontloads it's party members a bit more so they don't run into this again.
>>740481902I don't mind Morgana for the most part and I dig his social link/confidant despite it being an automatic one. But my god, his chimpout during Haru's arc was just absolutely unbearable. Even on my second playthrough it was annoying to go through.
I love her, simple as.
>>740473645>It's canon, fuck you.This but unironically
>>740481754Yes it will damage your soul
It's funny how Morgana is the only PT with genuine flaws (having mediocre IQ like Ryuji and Ann isn't an actual character flaw) and he's by far the most loathed character in the fandom. No wonder nusona characters are inoffensive as possible
>>740473915I now have no regrets about skipping her in favor of Takemi.
>>740473915>>740485034Arent these in Maruki's reality though? Ann even calls him a creep. These are supposed to show how Maruki changed them for the worse.
>>740485034Choosing between them is thr toughest choice in the game
>>740485034>fell for Maruki propaganda
