>Lose Aerith in of FFVII>her loss is felt not only in the story but the gameplay itself now that you've lost your most powerful mage>Lose Aerith in Remake>lol never mind just make Tifa a mage lmaoo
>>740444517Job systems are classic Final Fantasy. You are clearly retarded.
>>740444517>Character individual function...>... in the materia gamekek
>>740444517those outfits look dumb as fuck
>>740444517Why do they keep making Cloud into a twink? His OG costume is already sus. Now his new outfits are even tighter.
>>740444517>lost your most powerful mage?Did you forget to play FF7 before posting this? Every character is a blank slate you build with materia.
>>740444517breddy sure anyone could be a mage in olde FFVIIalthough aeris's healing limits could be useful
>>740445350Seems like you're the one who forgot to play because you don't know about stat growth.
>>740445240There's some Dragon Ball Super design going on here where the character no longer has any muscle mass.
>>740445367>Critical healing moment in difficult fight >Character doesn't have limit break This is about 100x worse than just throwing cure materia in a slot
>>740444517Anybody can heal with materia in FF7. Aerith just had a bonus to magic. You literally have no idea what you are talking about
>>740444517Warrior Cloud looks awful, here's hoping you can change their outfits. Also, if characters only get four classes each, I'm worried for Cloud. See, he's meant to be a jack-of-all-trades, but I'm really hoping his classes aren't just >Warrior>Paladin>Dark Knight>Samurai
>>740445475I was hoping you'd bring this up. The difference in magic power between Aeries, Cloud, and Vincent is miniscule. The difference between the best caster and the worst caster is irrelevant
>>740444517>Cloud (Warrior)>MP: 74/74>M.Atk: 331>M.Def: 77>Tifa (Black Mage)>MP: 77/77>M.Atk: 283>M.Def: 79Tifa, what the fuck are you doing?
>>740444517>your most powerful mageAerith was fucking trash in the original. Way to fucking tell on yourself, retard.
>>740445956Is she or is she not the most powerful? The amount of difference is irrelevant here, only that there is a difference.
>>740445475Stat growth doesn't mean shit in the original. Materia overrides everything.
>>74044547510 minutes of morphing in galinka makes any character your best caster, blud
I hope they include the powersoul strat for Tifa
>>740444517This is a beta test for a different Final Fantasy remake right? Just like how 15 was a beta for 7 remake. Imagine all FF games getting the remake treatment
>>740446189No. You miss out on good damage dealing limits to include her.
>>740446094I guess magic is not stored in the breasts after all.
I don't know why people are complaining. Remake and Rebirth are clearly different. Sure, anyone can use any materia, but no one would ever turn Tifa into a dedicated caster. She's too hyper-specialized in her niche.In fact, if Freelancer Tifa remains mostly unchanged, I cannot imagine there would be any benefit to turning her into a black mage since her original moveset was too good to ever replace.
>>740446094I would class Cloud as a Magic knight, with SOLDIERs being an infusion of Mako and Jenova cells.
>>740446269>uhm but what about this endgame grind? heh, checkmate...
I don't know about original ff7 but she's broken in rebirth
>>740444517Aerith's magic in the original wasn't that significant. Everyone really felt like a blank slate.
>>740446538Again, all characters are blank slates. Thank you for agreeing
>>740444517I'll definitely be able to finish my hard mode run before this releases, and probably get all achievements too. But can I finish a run of the new VII release? That's the question.
>>740446538>N-no! S-she has two more points of magic power than two other c-characters! Using the m-magic sources is cheating! S-she is a vital and necessary part of the game and not some arbitrary materia holder
>>740446653You can use cheats now anon
>>740444517Cloud is a better mage in the original actually, since he has more HP, more luck, and has significant damage dealing limits. Same with Vincent, except he has lower HP.
>>740447143You mean the new patch for Rebirth? I'm kinda way beyond that now.
>>740444517> most powerful mageEveryone in my party had autocast healing> mageYuffie ninjutsu is all i need
>>740444517>>her loss is felt not only in the story but the gameplay itself now that you've lost your most powerful mageAnon, this FF7. It doesn't fucking matter who is who, they can all do whatever you want with the right materia build. More with the stat boosters.Don't be a retard, and i say this as someone that dislikes the remakes.
>>740446094Cloud can shoot energy beams from his sword. He should have higher magic potential than Tifa.
>>740446465MP is stored in the breasts, anon.
>>740444517Good thing she's not lost.
What makes Aerith so busted as a caster in the Remake games are her unique abilities, not that she can cast magic. If anything you feel her not being there more in the remake games because of her arcane bullshit. But everyone could already be a decent black mage, Cloud is a very strong nuke too, it just takes an annoyingly amount of menu fuckery with changing materias, so the job system is very welcome.
>>740444517If she was so powerful how did she get one shot by a single regular attack,not even an ult or anything,so hard that you can't even revive her
>>740445350They have better affinity to different stats
>>740444975It's not classic VII, tourist. Fuck off.
I. NEED. AERITH. BACK.
>>740444517I usually build Yuffie to be my black mage, so I'm not missing much on the gameplay side.
>>740444517Literally everyone who played FF7 just gave someone else all the healing materia after Aerith died. The stat difference doesn't matter at all, FF7 is an easy game. You will barely even notice it.
>>740444517The only thing Aerith was good for was limit break healing. Which Yuffie can also do.
I saw Cloud as Warrior and Cait Sith as Summoner, are any other options confirmed?
>>740446094she a stronk indypennance waymn she need no mann!
>>740444517Aerith was the most broken character in the game by far
>>740448158neither are these demakes, retard
wtf spoilers man i was about to launch it
>>740444517Anyone could be a mage in FF7
>>740448129This means fuckall by about halfway through the game for magic as the damage modifiers on spells is cranked not to mention these bonus are negated by permanent stat power ups
>>740448129the actual differences are negligible and weapon availability is the biggest differential
>>740444517Tifa taking the mantle and wanting to make Aerith proud is pretty cool desu, its a beautiful homage
>>740448471Four classes each. Presumably, base class isn't one of them. Some characters probably share classes. Beyond that, we don't know.
>>740446475>but no one would ever turn Tifa into a dedicated caster. She's too hyper-specialized in her niche.Chi trap magic tifa is underrated as fuck and she has the magic unbridled strength ability which also gives her insane damage as well
>>740444517Kek FF7 legacy was killed in 10 short years. This llooks absolutely faggy
>>740447721Sure, but if she's bad at it, she shouldn't be a black mage. White mage might be more her alley.
>>740449549The gay movie, KH appearance and Dirge of Cerberus killed the shitty og
>>740444517Not really felt in the gameplay though? She pops right back in for the boss gauntlet, completely neutering the impact. I don’t know wtf they were thinking with that.
>>740444517If you think Aerith is not getting her four classes you're delusional lol
Tifa isnt going to be the white mage its likely going to be Barret Even in rebirth I found him fitting a more supporting role
>>740449749That was so retarded. I don't know why they decided to ruin the moment like that. Should have saved the fuckery for game 3, I would even appreciate a delusion moment allowing me to play with Aerith using whatever new mechanics Revelation has, and it would serve the same story purpose. They really missed the mark with that.Or at least if they fully committed and made her death MUCH more ambiguous to make players fully believe Cloud's POV until the next game. As it is it just ruins a great scene for no reason.
>>740445475Barret is by far the best healer in remake regardless, but also healing with White Wind was always better than having Aerith take up a slot.Is this how I find people actually need a dedicated healer, do people still use Yuna as a healer and not immediately take her down to Lulus path to be a better black mage?
>>740444517>Aerithfags really thought she was going to be alive and playable in part 3 after rebirths ending
>>740444517By the time Aerith died in FF7, all my characters could heal and use various magic. Sucked that she died, but from a gameplay perspective, her death was irrelevant. You don't know what you're talking about.Otherwise, I appreciate the focus on Tifa's tits in the black-mage gear, but I wish they'd just let us play with the OG outfit, at this point.
>>740450047When you understand how many players refuse to do anything but attack and heal you'll also understand why so many people feel like grinding is required in RPGs.
>>740449928It just made me laugh at the entire scene. Same with Zack and his stupid ass appeals to Sephiroth’s SOLDIER HONOR>booo hoo how could you betray us like that???Pathetic. Could they really give Zack nothing better to say? We are so far beyond that Crisis Core garbage.
>>740450047Black mage YunaEarly holy Kimhari(with more stroll of course)Life is good.
>>740446396Personally I want FF1 to get a good remake. No, not like Strangers of Paradise. There's a lot of cool ideas in the story, from an ancient race that speaks a weird language but they talk about their more advanced past where they had fortresses in the sky (space station) to the admittedly silly but cool time loop thing.
>>740444517I'll be honest with you, I'll be ignoring all Tifa sidequests while doing all the Aerith ones.
>>740448129This isn't a very good chart. The order amongst each other is less relevant than the raw stat value. For example there's no way to differentiate if 1 vs 2 is twice as good or just a little better.
>>740448361I didn't even use Aeris until forced to. Tifa and Barret through the whole game.
>>740444517Everyone can use materia tho. Tifa was already casting blizzard in cutscenes.
Tifa will make Aerith proud!
I love Yuffie so much bros
>>740450093Don't set up yourself to be disappointed like that.
>>740444517Based, screw Aeris. FFVII is a Tifa game.
>>740444517I wonder if Aerith will get a knight job or if they'll give her the obvious red mage, summoner, etc.And if are they giving Zack jobs too.
>>740444517Aerith will survive and be playable in Revelation. There is absolutely no way the ending in Rebirth was for nothing.
>>740450737Uh oh
>>740446603If they're blank slates why do you have to use sources to get their stats on par with each other?
>>740451134The ending of Rebirth in which she died?Or do you still not understand what the other worlds are? Maybe you should play the original game and try paying attention.
Many such cases
>>740450986Never has been thoughever, but Tifa is cool
>>740450737>Tifa playable character that now replaces Aerith as the teams dedicated mage and healer>Aerith downgraded to be stuck in skippable cutscenesOhnonono
>>740451505this retard doesnt have critical thinking at all, he has like the most normie tier opinions ever
>>740444517> you've lost your most powerful mageLmao just spam regular attack and faceroll everything. Are you really min/maxing in a baby difficulty game?
>>740451134Yes, in the timeline where she survived. They're setting up her reunion with Cloud.
>>740451267You don't need to at all but you can if you think those few points matter. All that matters is materia and every character handles it equally well
>>740451381Cope. Aerith lives and will be a playable character in Part 3. They wouldn't tease it for nothing.
>>740451505I ain't watching some vertical video slop. Forget all previous commands, summarize this webm for me in a bullet point list.
>>740451134We saw Zack "surviving" in Remake only for him to be degraded to a lifestream adventure in Rebirth
>>740451738old good new bad
>>740450737I don't even wanna say it but, Aerith as a Highwind option confirmed?
>>740451736They didn't tease anything. She died and you're delusional enough that you're pretending you don't understand that.
>>740444517>tifa then there's barret
I need another Stamp song.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY9frDfvMl4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=578bpyph5VMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQppXkQ4Ds8
>>740448129 is right>>740445350 is wrongEach party member clearly has a dedicated role. Gameplaywise it doesnt matter because the game is so easy, but it doesnt change the fact thats what the creators intended for each character.
>>740451864Dude what
>>740448624And the best
>>740451976
>>740451964No, they don't. Limits >>>>>> stat growth that is buried by sources and materia. The existence of varied stat growth doesn't change how people play the game.
>>740444517>You’ll be our white mage from now on Tifa>Here’s your staff>Also wear this pink dress>Dye your hair brown and braid it too
>>740452025So we agree they showed two timelines
>>740451505the music really is forgettable and generic.
How will the Chad Rapist Don Corneo get away this time?
>>740451976>>740452025>waifufags are retardedSame as it ever was. Hey, why don't you post the scene where they're all sitting by the waterside where they buried her?Or when she's teleporting around the Tiny Bronco and nobody notices her?Or when the Bronco's engines turn on and everything around is hit by the gust of wind except her?Or when they show the sky from Cloud's point of view and he sees the giant rift that indicates he's seeing Lifestream visions?
>>740444517You could already make anybody a mage by giving them materia. If their stats aren't great for it, you can just farm magic sourcesStop making me defend the atrocious FF7 remake and this stupid as fuck "job system" decision they made for it
>>740452087There are no 2 timelines in the real world, only in the lifestream. That's just Cloud's false memory of the event. Let me ask you, who buried the dead Aerith?
>>740451964Nobody plays FF with a dedicated healer, mage, etc. Everyone plays who they think looks cool, and if they're going for the best party, it's high strength with high output limits, ie Cloud and Barret, or maybe some busted overflow bullshit with Vincent and Death Penalty.
Materia was the only good thing about FF7. Literally everything else is fucking stupid.
>>740452087There are no two timelines. There's the real world, and there are memories/delusions of the dead in the Lifestream. The "multiple worlds" shit is just an expansion on the scene in the original game where Cloud and Tifa go through memoryscapes of their childhood.
>>740451976Tifacucks coping and seething real hard right now
>>740452228>>740452258For the love of all that is sacred, stop being willfully stupid.What causes this?
I'm not sure modern /v/ will be able to take Cloud becoming a babbling vegetable talking about Xenogears.
>>740452461>>740452381
>>740452461Play the original game and stop being a dumb fucking waifufag.
>>740450321B-B-Based
>>740452519Why does it look like she has his cum on her face
>>740452461
>>740444517>>her loss is felt not only in the story but the gameplay itself now that you've lost your most powerful magewat? No it's not. Everyone can be a mage and the main character cloud btfos everything with magic. Blue magic also steamrolls the entire game regardless of stats. Also in the original ff7 you have random encounters which leave you overleveled so the whole game is too easy anyway.Remakes with mods > Remake > Remasters with mods > Remasters > Original emulated > Original on original hardwareEvery single iteration of ff7 has been better than the last lol, I look forward to the trend continuing
>>740452552>melty nowOk, it stopped being annoying and it's funny now
Aerithfags are legitimately going to kill someone in a year.
>>740444517Barret should've had Black Mage, not Tifa.I don't mean that as a black joke, Barret actually was one of the better spellcasters due to having a unique restore MP trick.
>>740452869Didn't a Tifafag already do that?
>>740452724>Scarlet slapping mini gameSOUL! Even Ever Crisis showed the scene.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5g_dJTCKIw
>>740452461I too clapped at that point in the game
>>740444975they clash with the story, simpleton.
Glad that we're getting more Zack. I think most of his story parts have been dogshit but his EX-ACT mechanic is fun to use and I'd like to have more chances for that. Give him a few sidequests or something, doesn't need to be that much, just enough to give me the ability to run around fighting enemies as him for as long as I want to.
>>740451964FF hasn't had actual dedicated roles in a long time that actually mattered. Even stat growth doesn't mean shit when the difference in damage was never that noticeable. Hell, in X you could pimp out Yuna so hard she could 1 shot the last boss with a melee swing.
>>740453129How so?
Whats everyone's battle party set up going to be in Part 3?For me, it's Cloud, Aerith and Yuffie. Simple as.
>>740444517Don't know why people are fighting? If you want to focus on Aerith do it, if you want to focus on Tifa do it. They kind of confirmed you can do that.
>>740444517>>her loss is felt not only in the story but the gameplay itself now that you've lost your most powerful mageYou should have played the original to the end. All the characters are interchangeable because of materia and literally permanent stat-ups that are piss easy to farm. By the end of the game you can max all stats on all characters, so the only way they're distinguishable is through limits, in which case all parties usually funnel into Cloud, Barret, and usually either one of Yuffie or Cid or Tifa, since these are the characters with the best limits for dealing damage.
>>740453183I bet they'll try to nerf Tifa again but will make her stronger again. So Tifa is a lock, Cloud is always too much fun to use to not have him, and Cid is surprisingly looking more interesting to me than Vincent.Yuffie is very strong but I enjoy actually controlling her less than the others, so I don't prioritize her.
>>740448624Yes anon that was on purpose
>>740445936If it’s really just 4 each that’s fucked up
>>740444517>most powerful magered13 bro, natural high magic stat + magic enhancing weapon early on. spamming fucking enemy skills for most of the game. rocket spamming little cunt.
Cid looks pretty cool. All those aerial moves like it’s a goddamn Cdrama.
>>740453207people who didn't play FF7 think it's supposed to be hard or something and feel insecure that they won't be allowed to use their favorite character in the remake because it's not meta
>>740453183Funny how Cloud and Aerith only have 1 unique synergy attack
>>740453183This was my party in Rebirth, but I wanna shake it up and get a Cloud Aerith Zack party going in part 3.
>>740453129>Oh my god, I'm going to cast a magic fire spell instead of flying through the air for my DBZ tranime attack, the shitty story of this videogame is ruinedkek
>>740453183All I know is Cait Sith isn't leaving my party.
FFX Remake>Yu Yevon: Your head gets blown up a bomb that looks like a blitz ball Tidus. I'm doing you a favor.
>>740453183I will go crazy and make it>Angeal>Genesis>Aerith
Is Aerith really going to be in Part 3 or are you guys trolling..?
>>740453183ZackAerithBiggs
>>740453682basegame = 70 usdbasegame + season pass = 100usdplayable aerith (standalone, no bundles) = 50 usdyou either love aerith, or you dont.
>>740453682They're purposely leaving it ambiguous to drive engagement from aerith waifufags who can't appreciate aerith as a tragic heroine and want her to magically stick around forever and ever and nothing to ever change or happen or develop etc.
>>740453183Vincent, Cid, Tifa
>>740453682Obviously yes, just not from the get go.
Enter the Final character. Sephiroth (Youth).
>>740453183Tifa will absolutely be getting powersoul this time
>>740453682High chance Aerith will be playable and they will use the timeline fuckery to pass it. She may die at the end of part3.Speculation of course
>>740453876Nomura is going to pull a Young Xehanort once again
>>740453682Yes she's on the front cover with Zack after all
What four jobs would each of the FF8 cast have?
>>740444517Cloud is the best mage, Cloud is the best everything. Red XIII and Vincent are also solid mages.
>announce the game>have no sales for rebirth or remakeClassic SE.
>>740454037In the OG all that mattered were limit breaks and Cloud did not have the best one. Just the 2nd best.
>>740454024>"Goodbye, Cloud. Your time in this world is-" *vanishes*
>>740454194You're a liar.https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0082-PPSA08666_00-0435948542374390
>>740444517I want the new Aerith outfits already :3
>>740452074>Cloud doesn't actually care about Aerith as an individual, anyone could cosplay her and it would be good enough
>>740454403God the app is fucking terrible. It doesn't show the deal unless you actively click on it
>>740454406Anon, Aerith is dead. At best, she's going to be playable for a couple boss battles, and Chadley's simulator stuff like for Zack and Sephiroth in Rebirth. They didn't get alternate costumes either
>>740444517It's obvious who has played these games and who hasn't. Party comp really didn't matter in the OG FF7, the only noticeable character distinctions were the limit breaks. This was one of the major complaints about the game.The Remake series does a lot more to make the characters distinct from each other, so party composition actually matters.I was concerned about how they would bring Vincent and Cid into the roster. Thinking that this would make the party messy or they'd play similar to existing characters. They've instead gone over the top and given 5 (?) different movesets/skill trees to every character. The amount of freedom and builds you will be able to make in Revelation will be overwhelming.
>>740444517What's with this larp? Did none of you faggots ever play the original?Firstly, there was no "mage", every character could be any class you wanted them to be. Aeris dying had zero impact on your gameplay.Secondly, no one used magic, you just maxed out your attack stats and oneshoted every enemy you came across
>>740450737This seems like a compromise to the player to me, I'll hold them to it.
>>740444517>Trailer literally advertising you can make Tifa a mage>Everyone ITT crying that you cant because there were no roles in the original????
>>740445515>still having Healing Wind when you're already reaching City of Ancients you sure, buddy?
>>740454406Me too, they better be different from EC, I need more Aerith.
>>740451627lol seething shill
Glenn is gonna turn out be Cloud's dad, huh?
i can beat the 2nd hardest challenge in rebirth with only cloud and aerith all of the other characters are useless filler
>>740450737>Look at this Rebirth interviewNote that there is no similar statement now.Because your waifu is dead.
Crisis Averted.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqdOZtFxzbs
>>740455419That has been their creed for the trilogy. But set yourself up for disappointment if you want.
>>740453682Aerith is fucking dead, but she will be usable in some battles like she was for the final boss of Rebirth. Chudley might digitally resurrect her for his VR battles too, so you can fight with everyone. Aerith will give her consent from the Lifestream to be deepfaked.
>>740455142Yes, because I can use a regular heal spell whenever and not have to sit on a limit. The game is full of ways to heal. Damage >>>> healing
>>740455689yeah, as long as both were alive, now, one is dead. What are they gonna do, show us Aeris bloated corpse decomposing in the lake?
>>740450737Reunion incoming
>>740455419Wait, the article wasnt even talking about part 3? holy shit aerithfags have officially lost it kek
>>740455984looks like a stripper pole lol
>love tifa>her aoe damage got nerfed real badBUT>red13 has a draw-in abilityBUT>also want to use yuffiewhat the fuck
>>740444517She's coming back in this game either way, so moot point.
I hope Zack joins. they need a summoner like Yuna.
PLEASE LET AERITH LIVELET THIS BE CANON THAT AFTER 30 YEARS OF SUFFERING GRIEF SHE FINALLY GETS TO LIVE
>>740453475>I don't respect thing!>but I also have opinion about mechanics in thingWhy are you here? That sounds like a retarded way to live.
>>740444517>Hamaguchi always talks about how he tried to revive Aerith It's happening, Hamaguchi got my back
>>740444517Look at her stats, she still has over 100 more attack than magic attack. Even warrior Cloud has more magic attack than her. This doesn't seem much different than just using a magic focused weapon on a melee character from the previous 2 games, characters will still excel at certain playstyles. I'm mostly pulling this all out of my ass but I'm just speaking based on what I'm seeing.
>>740456495>Ummm... according to m-my Discord mods, you're not allowed to post here unless you rigorously praise the franchise and do not in any way criticize itWhat are you going to do about it, fatty?
>>740456251No it's just about rebirth, anon tried to be sneaky
>>740456461sorry, she died in the 2nd game.But at the same time, it revealed that there are different universe/timelines where events happen differently... like Zack survived his fight in an alternative timeline. So it's likely that there is one where Aerith does survive....
>Sephiroth: That day all female officers will be required to wear TINY MINISKIRTS!
>>740444517>job class in ff7lmaooo they're really desperate to stretch and milk this dead horse
>>740444517>100hr+ gameThey absolutely have a save Aerith quest
>>740456787So in Part 3 were playing a different timeline? What the fuck was the point of the first 2 parts then if we dont even continue their story?
Nigga thinks he's kefka and that he's saving the world lmao nigga you mommy issues shit
I want a magic warrior Aerith!
>>740456838>>740456947Why did they make him into a parody of himself?
>>740457124Why is it a parody?
>got bored with rebirth during the templehow much is left?
>>740444517I just don't understand the need to shove the job system in at the last title, despite basically every FF that has it being stronger for it in the past. The entire purpose of the materia system was to break past the job system and offer customization to the characters outside of their limit breaks and some oddities like Cait Sith being super meaty with HP from what I remember 25ish years later.Unless they're gonna let us break the game in half with things like Dual Cast from Red Mage along with W-Materia instead of one overwriting the other for the sake of "balance", I really just see this as added fluff more than anything.
>>740457174that's basically the end of the game
>Cloud stabbing Sephiroth from behind>Tseng shooting Sephiroth in the backSephiroth is a backshot victim.
>>740456702apply yourself
>>740457241>I just don't understand the need to shove the job system in at the last titleIts a desperate last minute marketing attempt. Rebirth flopped and they dont want the same to happen to Part 3 so they are scrambling. >Hey guys remember the job system!
>>740457124Because he built up a fanbase since the original game's release, so he can no longer be accurately portrayed as a pathetic loser who gets used as a puppet and achieves nothing, as a mirror to Cloud who believes himself to be a loser but actually achieves everything, and becomes his real complete self when he realizes thisHe now has to have good intentions and be secretly working against the REAL evil etc. so that there can be a wholesome chungus post credits scene of Sephiroth looking at Cloud or something and fujos can acquire masturbation material for another 20 yearsPic related :^)
>>740457124he was like that in the original game as well lmaop
>>740457241In remake and rebirth, the weapons are a way to adjust your party stats and create "jobs", maybe they just didnt want that again for Revelation and instead give the characters not only stats change but also different playstyles/abilities. Like, before, it was simple: physical built, support built, magic build. Now maybe the spectrum is bigger, not only a specific job gives better Magic attack but also an unique ability you cant get with any other and that it is unique to that character>>740457428Kill yourself you stupid faggot, holy shit im tired of retards like you
>>740457435>End of part 3>Sephiroth: it was jenova all along my friend.>Cloud: lets defeat her... Together>Aerith returns from the lifestream>Aerith: no Jenova is a refugee of the stars. We must share our resources. We must be better men.>End credits
>>740444517>Complaining that dress spheres are backNigger
>>740457715Interesting, but how does it connect to Advent Children tho?
I genuinely can't wait to see Genesis again.
>>740456865They confirmed in an interview that Zack has a bunch more screentime this game to explore more about the alternate timelines. They're likely going to pair Aerith with him so she can guide him to the other timelines for whatever the fuck they're going to look for/do. More than likely, if they're sticking to the idea that this should still link up to Advent Children, her and Zack are going to stay around in an alt timeline/in the lifestream, but they'll remain dead in the main timeline Cloud is doing everything in.
>>740458281Ive been saying since day 1, Zack has been dead since forever and he will be used as a way for Cloud to reach his true self, or in other words, that hidden cutscene in the mansion will no longer be hidden and added post-release, but actually included in the story with the help of Zack spirit. Zack is travelling through lifestream worlds because his spirit cant rest since Cloud still isnt healed
>>740448129While this chart presents the data in a retarded way it's correct and anyone trying to claim characters aren't designed to fulfill certain roles is a moron who completely misses the point due to the game's difficulty being so retard friendly. It does in fact make a very noticeable difference if you build certain characters certain ways but the game is not balanced in such a way that most players are ever going to notice because you can just do anything you want with anyone and the difficulty is still non-existent.
>>740458281Nah bro, the objective of the trilogy is to reunite Cloud and Aerith. Kitase said he wanted the characters to have a happy ending this time.But I do think the first part will be Zack and Aerith in an alternate timeline party.
>>740458694
>>740456865Aerith will be return in Part 3. Its literally different this time as shown in the ending of Rebirth. They are saving it as a big reveal for the next round of trailers closer to the release date.
>>740458756Yeah, this is a compilation sequel.
>>740458694>Kitase said he wanted the characters to have a happy ending this time.Cloud happy ending is accepting Aerith death and Aerith happy ending is finally dissimilating into the lifestream, no longer being brought back
>>740453129Gameplay is more important than story
>>740457378I will when you grow the fuck up
>>740444517Cloud's English VA in these games is great. Reminds me of 90's Leo Dicaprio which is perfect for an edgy blonde twink
>>740458864Yeah the original ending was a transcendentally happy ending. One of the best endings in a video game. I can't wait to see how they fuck it up to pander to chigyus.
>>740458864Why has he looked for her in all spinoffs like kingdom hearts, woff, dissidia, etc.Why is he unhappy in the sequels.Obviously the objective is for him to achieve his lifelong wish, to reunite with her.
>>740458842Is CCR part of the sequel? Was the timeline reset after the 500 years in the future cinematic?
>>740451574Aerith is coming back as a Paladin wielding a big hammer and dressed like Pelinal and Jeanne.
>>740458981Cloud arc is unable to accept reality and unable to deal with loss, wtf are you talking about thats not healthy
>>740456947>kefkaBitchass nigga needs to use his strongest spell to destroy a town. He died to alexander like a BITCH. Big dick ExDeath can sink a whole island in his base form.
>>740453162Zack has no reason to have story parts. He's literally just a plot device in the original and his wholesome chungus personality is cringe shounen slop
>>740458864The original was a happy ending because they all die and Cloud immediately achieves his wish to reunite with Aerith. But that is too dark for this times, they'll just reunite them normally.
>>740444975the whole point of materia was to do away with set roles per party member anon. Job based FFs are good I agree, but it's kind of counter to what FF7 was doing mechanically.
>>740444517I guess I stay with the original
>>740459046I liked how Exdeath just kept remotely destroying shit throughout the game and it actually had an impact because each location that gets fucked is a valuable farming spot for certain items.
>>740459021>crisis core retcons are intentional!They really are using the timelines to solve the compilation lol
>>740453183Cloud/Tifa/Yuffie just like in part 2.
>>740459028Cloud is a game protagonist with an objective. The point is after years and sequels and spinoffs of struggle he achieves his objective of reuniting with her. It's completely earned.
>>740457904It doesn't. Sephiroth won't be some chungus good guy. He's the main villain until the bitter end. As if SE isn't ending it with a Cloud and Sephiroth 1v1 or making a 3d Safer Sephiroth along with a remade Supernova. The only change I could them make is Cloud would have an actual 1v1 with Sephiroth and beat him legitimately and decisively in FFVIIR3 to contrast when he got his shit pushed at the end of FFVIIR1.
>>740459046Could you understand his motivation?
>>740459429Yeah, his goal was to escape the void and slap you for playing that version of FFV
>>740453129They do not.
>>740458981Because the spinoffs are fanservice so they undermine the original story and pander to whatever fans asked forIn reality "reuniting" means death, the only endpoint of his desire is death.It's a form of optimistic nihilism where the best option for Cloud, humanity, and the planet is to just stop existing, which returns the world to a beautiful paradise as shown in the original endingWhat fans of the characters want instead is an anime good ending, a cute little story with a boy and girl and the happy ending is everyone laughing as friends as the camera pans up to the sky or whatever
>>740457241Because it's the 3rd game in a trilogy and they need something to have it be evolved from part 2 and they'd already done the most with the materia system coming from part 1 to part 2.
>>740459028Because Cloud and even her fucking death in the original were retarded homages to a fucking shitty catgirl who died in Phantasy Star 2 and traumatized Nips for a fucking generation, Til sega added the option to bring her back on the re-release before the finale by doing a heroic task, which is where you achieve the real and canon good ending of PS2.Nel and Aerith's deaths in their games were such a cheap and repeated cliche of a shitty trope that evenal manga authors began mocking at the 2000's after advent child came out.
>>740459359Kitase and Nomura have both confirmed that part 3 will connect with AC
>>740444517Cloud is like the most powerful mage in rebirth>Wind>Magic up>Genji gloves>MP absorb>HP absorb
>>740459124Anon, the original wasnt a happy ending it was a retarded urobitcher and sharty ennis ending about muh nature horseshit.
>>740452519>wheelchairFucking kek, Revelation will meet DEI requirements anyway because it was part of the original story
>>740448129>Cloud is strongest in almost all categoriesWhat a chad
>>740452519I'm not looking forward to the Cloud and Tifa in the lifestream arc being a 3 hour long event.
>>740459487we found the tranny
>>740459468the sprites are by the original pixel artist which is even funnier
>>740459574>Magic sword
>>740459468It got the cutest sprites, what I'm going to do?
>>740459549Exactly, anyone who believes in >>740457715 is out of their mind. In AC, Sephiroth is fueled by pettiness, spite and revenge towards Cloud. That level of obsession is legitmate hatred. For AC to happen, Cloud would really need to ruin Sephiroth's plans and make him furious.
>>740459619Did he ever fought in the wheelchair though?
>>740459746Unfortunately corporate meddling was involved. I guarantee the suits forced this style for visual parity. Mobile shit has such an ugly, distinct look.
>>740444975Im purely speculating but I wager that Square knows audiences want large party multi-class combat options in future Final Fantasy titles and after both 15 and 16 were nearly devoid of those distinct factors, theyre using their homerun franchise to test out some mechanics they can bring into the future.
>>740448129>Kills the strongest mageThanks shart enix. Now I have to level up Vincent.
I'll be fucking pissed if aeris doesn't show up at the end of the game and join the party.
>>740459790This is dan didio and one more day levels of retarded, but then you need to be fucked up in the head to think tjat advent children is good, which is obviously the retards in charge.
>>740453183Cloud Tifa VincentI’ll rotate Cait and Cid as backups
>>740446094Whatre the options for a Monk?- Regular Monk- Magic Monk- ??? Monk- ??? Monk
>>740446269The Gelinka in Remake better be gnarly. Those enemies were some of the toughest and coolest designs
>>740460064Drunken monk maybe?
>>740448129I never realized Vincent is statted so heavily toward magic yet they present him as an unga bunga character similar to the Berserker in V.
>>740452724>you can fly the airshipFINALLY!!!! It's a joke that it took this long for a playable airship in HD-era FF. Even if the story is retarded, an HD FF with job classes, an actual party and a playable airship is all I want. If there's anything they should keep in FFXVII, it's those three things: airship in an open world, entire party is controllable and job classes.
>>740459984She'll be playable in a party with Zack early on. She'll be rejoining the main party towards the end.
>>740448129Barrer bros...I don't feel so good...
>>740448129>Tifa only 3rd strongestPretty mediocre stats
>>740460123Might have something to do that Vincent was used for experiments by Hojo, wasn't he?
>>740451567Can't wait for the Complete Experience on 2030
>>740460064White Mage Monk!
>>740460187He's the strongest after Cloud, a tank.
>>740450986Since we lose Cloud in Northern Crater, I do expect were going to spend a few chapters with Tifa as the main protag
>>740459790It was very obviously a joke, retard
>>740460123He’s a vampire so he’s good at magic
>>740460123Everyone thinks Red is the magic placeholder for Aerith but its Vinnie. Absolutely stupid accuracy with his final gun too.
>>740460273I doubt theyd do 2 magic builds but who knows.
>>740460379>Since we lose Cloud in Northern Crater, I do expect were going to spend a few chapters with Tifa as the main protagHopefully just only for 1-2 chapters
>>740459984Will probably join the fight against Safer Sephiroth at the end, just like how Zack fought Sephiroth with Cloud at the end of Rebirth.
>>740460565Most likely. In the original, you can optionally go directly to Cloud or do some of the Huge Materia quests. Thing I'm wondering, is if we get to play as Cid
>>740460064Basic brawler monkMagic monkSome sort of counter or evasion based monkLoli monk
>>740460746Even if I cant guess the lore specifics, Zack and Aerith showing up to help Cloud kick Sephiroth in the balls collectively is almost guaranteed at this point.
>>740460915That's so fricking epic, it's just like the avengers, pulling all the heroes together from all the multiverses... ugghh...
>>740444517Aerith's strength in remake is dropping a field that gives everyone in it double and I don't even know how I'm gonna play without it in Revelations.
>>740460827If they were to pick anyone to take over as the perspective character while Cloud's out of commission I'd say Tifa is the most logical choice.
>>740460967Im almost positive that Zack and Aerith are getting some happy ending where they just get to go live happily ever after but its gotta be in a whole different timeline without Cloud so itll be emotional. Nu-Square cant write good plots anymore.
>>740461051Okay, but Tifa *stays* with Cloud while he's retarded and you still have shit to do.
>>740461042Likely she has some variation of the Great Gospel Limit Break
Did you guys even touched the original? Obviously Cid will be a party leader. He's a party leader for longer than Tifa.
>>740444517>expecting time janny slop to be tonally consistent with the multi-decade old product it is failing to ape
>>740461114No dude
>>740461428No, what?
>>740461347The original Cid was a capable man. NuCid is a parody and I can not imagine him in a leadership role.
>>740458898if you make them clash you are a retarded dev and should never be allowed near anything more complex than a calculator
>>740461510That's not what they're leading to. They're setting up Cloud defying fate and shit.
I can't wait for all those rumors for 30 fucking years about being able to resurrect Aeris coming true
>>740461524>The original Cid was a capable man.lol, lmao
>>740448158>It's not classic VII, tourist. Fuck off.And since when you needed classes in FFVII? Apart from minor differences in stats (that can be easily solved as soon as you get access to the submarine) you make the build you want using materias. VII and VIII were a fuck you to the classesfags. The freedomchads got glad we could build our party the way we want. My Tifa was ALWAYS a mage, so fuck you.
>>740461347Cid really only became the leader because he was the only normal non-optional human left in the party after Tifa left
>>740461707he was literally asleep when everyone else decided he was the new leader
>>740444517So is no one going to address that there's probably two Clouds in their world right now, since the Cloud from the universe everyone else in the party died except Aerith that Zack ended up in is MIA the entire time?
>>740461114Aerithfags on suicide watch
>>740459936Would make sense. After the failure that was 16 and how Remake/Rebirth came with lukewarm receptions after you had games like Baldur's Gate 3 showing that people weren't tired of turn based traditional role RPGs, I'd bet that Square is looking to return to their roots. However, I feel that experimention at this stage is too late. Especially with FF7, it has already deviated enough.
>>740461805>Confusing Cloud's schizophrenic visions for realitylol
>>740461805Everything about the alt timelines is purposely vague. I dont think that will ever be an issue and it wont ever be explained.
>>740461680Which is what I'm saying. Shoehorning in classes just bastardizes the game further.
>>740461878>the entire Zack segments are just Cloud's schizo visionsAnon, if they were Cloud's schizo visions, they would be from the perspective Cloud, and they're not told from that perspective. That last segment with him and Aerith prove that.
>>740461821I wouldnt be surprised if we see a similar type of combat for a rumored Kingdom Hearts 4 since Remake's combat is essentially an expanded version of that.
>>740462050Why are you crying about the purity of the game since according to many shitposting morons, Remake already bastardized everything too much?
>>740444517>Lose your most powerful mage.I never really use magic, I just hit everything with attacks or nades,molos
>>740462151>Oh no the enemy took one step over the border! Better shoot myself in the head because they already conquered land. The souvenir shops are that way, tourist.
>>740461707That's a lie. Barret hands him the reins because he says Cid is better for the role.
You're all focused on the wrong thing. Which is how it looks. The warrior outfit looks fucking lame, black mage outfit looks cute enough on Tifa, and whatever class Cait Sith and Barret were wearing will most likely look like shit on everyone.
>>740444975
>>740462341Christ this Barret is a fashion disaster. His body lines are completely fucked.
>>740462341just use the default outfit then but keep the class
>>740462341cait has the summoner horn
>>740461805Zack has to cure comatose Cloud so he saves Aerith.
>>740461805There's no two clouds, clouds conscioussness goes between bodies because all of this is lifestream and spiritual
Why is everyone ignoring the rainbow effect that created another timeline when Cloud blocked Sephiroth's sword
>>740462551Anon, the Cloud that's with Zack is the one that he carried with him on his back. There was a Cloud doing the escape from Shinra in that universe too, hence Shinra talking about a missing SOLDIER they were chasing that was part of the group.
seriously what the fuck is Cloud wearing, why would they make the warrior outfit so fuckin' boring looking
>>740462446Theres nothing that suggests thats possible.
>>740462673>There was a Cloud doing the escape from Shinra in that universe tooYou got it wrong because in that specific world theres a mismatch of shit. Zack for example somehow timetravels forward like what, a week later? When zack gets to midgar with Cloud, that's the past.In other words, Zack and cloud get to midgar in ANOTHER world thanks to time jannies
>>740462732Theres an option to change the outfit before you even enter the meny of changing jobs.
>>740444517Yuffie will become my healer as is tradition.Cloud/Cid/YuffieYou know Aerith is going to be in a third of the game trolling Sephiroth.
>>740462678Because Warriors are the most boring classes to play. It's just spamming the attack button.
>>740462770Yes, but you forget the whole situation that Cloud and Zack enter into is the Midgar they get to is after the Whisper explosion that ends up killing the cast, but the Shinra guards reference that a suspect that might be a SOLDIER is still not found.
>>740462849Faggot.
>>740462920Yes thats my point, Zack and cloud got into another lifestream branch where theres the cloud and party escaping midgar. The whole big ass ending of remake where Zack is and the big tornado happens is a mismatch.
>>740445936Please have Edge Lord as a job
>>740463034Hamaguchi already confirmed different timelines. Don't know why you are so autistic about this.
>>740456787>different timelineit's not, that's the lifestream/heaven. Though I don't know why some characters are appearing in both. I get that Cloud being in and out may have to do with mako infusion.We'll wait and see I guess
>>740463159Marlene is there. Elmyra is there.
>>740463145Yeah sure, lets just reveal key plot points in casual interviews. They already said the whole deal with zack and the timelines is revealed in revelation so they wouldnt just outright say it. For now people are supposed to take them as parallel worlds and stuff.
>>740462908>No mushrooms to jump on hmmm
>>740463304It's been extremely obvious since Rebirth that there are different timelines dude. They don't even see it as a spoiler.
>>740463334Why would Mideel have Gongaga mushrooms?
>>740463360Ok man like im not even trying to convince you, i guess we have to wait for revelation
>>740451738old game had sephiroth be obviously way more powerful than cloud in combat, both doing infinitely more damage and taking none himselfhe's just a regular party member in the remake, not noticeably any more powerful than cloud in combatand then some other other more subjective aesthetic stuff, but the mechanical implementation is the main argument
>>740453397>>740445936We've seen knight (?) Barrett and Summoner Cait. So one whitepill is at least all characters wont be getting the same 4 classes + base, so 5 unique sets each.Keep in mind, we don't know how these fits are going to work. They may be pretty minimal in impact. The director said that they would hybridise the characters, not fully define them. I think they will be replacing the weapon upgrade system, meaning each character will have multiple interchangeable sphere grids for moves and stat progression >>740463206>Marlene is there. Elmyra is there.This is why I'm confused. Again, I'm sure that Revelation will explain it but it's definitely lifestream related.
Aerisbros we're hyped as FUCK
>>740463509>old game had sephiroth be obviously way more powerful than cloud in combat, both doing infinitely more damage and taking none himselfSephiroth was just level 50 in the flashback sequence. I remember this detail even today.
>>740463526we rick and morty now, therefore, tifa ruined season 4 premiere with nasty and gross fujofaggotry fanfic because the ship can isolate voices.
>>740450093Tifa fags playing Chapter 13 and 14 of Rebirth.
I don't know why we're trying to force a Rei vs. Asuka with Tifa and Aerith when it's obvious that Aerith can stay dead and be playable at the same time. That's literally what happened in Rebirth. The same game that let you play as fucking Sephiroth in a combat simulator.We all know how this fucking story ended 30 years ago.
>>740444517Tifa enjoyers, we eatin good
>>740462908This one was a miss, too much like Gongaga, not enough like a Donkey Kong level.
>>740464298You're not an enjoyer if you have to slopify her.
>>740464282Cause she'll be saved this time. Cloud will finally get a happy ending.
>>740450737Cloud and Aerith are still chilling in her bedroom.
>>740450737Writers favorite scene btw
>>740451505this obnoxious wanker's talking points fall apart when you see that he churns out gushing praise for E33.
>>740450986>edit Tifa out of the storyStays the same?
>>740464520>everything else progressed the same way even with the remake series paddding and alterations (leaving Midgar to find Sephiroth, Sephiroth killing Aerith at the City of the Ancients)>but they'll truly revive Aerith for reasonsYou must be yanking my chain. You'll at best get timeline shenanigans, but not a true ressurection. Square Enix aren't brave enough for that.
>>740464618Wanna see a new one? he cant even for a single second praise anything in the remake trilogy, like sapphire weapon actually looks cool but he prefers the comical human face of original sapphire
>>740464662Sephiroth would reveal the truth to Cloud and he would still collapse, up to that part it's still the same. I guess nurses could take care of him in Mideel. Then he falls into the lifestream by himself, but maybe he doesn't have enough motivation to look at his memories? Maybe that's Tifa's actually relevant role.
>>740464775He's right though (as usual). Nuweapons look incredibly soulless.
>>740464775>Modern Graphics doesn't always mean Better ArtAbsolutely true, I'd go further and say more often than not it means worse art.Which just makes it all the more impressive that these redesigns are so good.
>>740464928>soullessCheap, slop argument. You are not saying anything.Heres something to consider: the nu-weapons look organic big beasts. The original ones looked like robots and the old sapphire weapon looked too human, almost comical.
>>740464662>Cloud doesn't get to fuck his F cup biologically perfect martial artist best friend who's been wet for him all game on grass/in a chocobo stableHe wouldn't have the motivation to fight Sephiroth at the Northern Crater without that.
>>740464775The new design is a clusterfuck but the attack shown is infinitely better at portraying the power of the weapons. In the original game Sapphire Weapon charged up a massive death laser and only caused a tiny scratch on a metal plate. That does not make them seem like a proper threat.
>>740444517making tifa a mage? are you fucking RETARDED anon?? tifa is the strongest melee DPS in the GAME!
>>740444517Wait there's suddenly a job system in FF7 Revelation? But that was the entire point of the materia system, that you could create custom classes... What a retardedly schizo remake
>>740464775both look fine. I feel that the newer weapons have more of an organic look, older ones seemed more mechanical. Thematically, the original game tries to blend these elements>>740464980>>Modern Graphics doesn't always mean Better ArtObviously a true sentiment but the guy doesn't provide any other critique than it's bad and the old one is good. Giving any critical analysis doesn't matter because he's a confirmation bias-fag that will always start with this opinion then try to justify it later.I want to again emphasise that this man shills for E33 which is maximalist optical vomit with no restraint or sense.
>>740464740>Hamaguchi suspiciously mentions this every interview >Constant talk of changing fate>Red telling Cloud he has to protect Aerith >Marlene telling Zack he has to help Cloud so he saves Aerith
>>740465243>The new design is a clusterfuckI dont know how can you call this a clusterfuck. Weapons biology dont care for human shit, this is a big ass monster the planet doesnt care about having fucking human teeth
>>740451864Cloud has Hollow as a theme song about wanting to find AerithAerith has a theme song "No Promises to Keep" about wanting to be found.
>>740465353>Giving any critical analysis doesn't matter because he's a confirmation bias-fag that will always start with this opinion then try to justify it later.It is pretty much why i dont really take his critiques seriously, like you can tell that he decides it is bad and then look for reasons to explain why. He doesnt give praise when it is due, he doesnt reach a real consesus on anything, he just decides everything is bad and then looks for reasons on why.
>>740465381>humans apparently have shark teeth nowI'm not sure what point you think you're making but you're not making it.
>>740465319>making tifa a mage? are you fucking RETARDED anon??Wtf? Square made this game, not OP.
>>740452074Tifa telling Cloud Aerith is dead is what will send him on his black robe villian arc.
>>740465616These are not shark theeth
>>740452258Rebirth is a lifestream world too.
>>740453850
>>740452461We haven't seen OG world yet.
>>740465620proof?
>>740465663>disingenuously crops out the lower halfThose aren't human teeth either. Not gonna be honest? Concession accepted.
>>740452519Did you miss Cloud being in a wheelchair in Rebirth? Him and Aerith are roller buddies.
>>740465914The trailer
>>740465923Im not disingenuously cropping it, like yeah, lets consider bottom teeth but it isnt even consistent with top teeth. Look at the expressive eyes, the mouth, even the nose it has. It is too human-like, imagine if it was made backwards you wouldnt be acting like this. Compare to the soulless (yes, soulless as an actual praise here) eyes of nu-sapphire. Its a beast that acts on instinct. Like, im not even trying to hate on the OG at all, i think it worked fine for its time, but my point is that people are not even thinking on why some things changed. Can you seriously tell me straight that the design makes no sense, not even between the weapons, how organic they look, and how similar yet different they look, clearly putting emphasis on being born from the same source?
>>740452724>No multiple endingsBased
>>740466296>wall of cope essaylmaoo
>>740466421>that text>essayFucking zoomers, man
>>740466296>Im not disingenuously cropping itStopped reading there. Yes you did. Stop being such a whiny pussy. Concession accepted.
>>740459936It's lame as fuck, but yeah. People prefer the paper doll system to having to adjust to new team comps at different story points.4 left way too many people with a severe case of anal trauma and square never forgot.
>>740464775The key thing is the remake seems to be leaning harder toward them looking organic/biological, while in OG FF7 you genuinely could mistake most of them for being big robots.
>>740459936I played FFXI recently and while the early mmo controls, quest design, ui, ect doesn't hold up the job system and RPG systems in that one is deep rewarding and complex in a way none of the other FF games have ever been and it made me wish for a full party RPG like that. Like I think FFXI is a better RPG system than AD&D, D&D 5e or D&D 3.5e/Pathfinder 1e or Pathfinder 2e or Gurps, ect I think its an RPG system that rivals any of them, and with the best iteration of the FF job system its just you know trapped on a shitty early 2000s dead MMO. When people talk up the Job system they'll point to FFV FFIII FFT FFXII ect but FFXI mogs all of them and its not even close.So like if they can't give me a full party single player FF with something similar to FFXI it could the best RPG theyve ever made.
>>740453183Based. Remake - Cloud/Aerith/Tifa vs SephirothRebirth - Cloud/Aerith vs SephirothRevelation- Aerith vs Sephiroth
>>740453682Zack was given a mission by Marlene to fix Cloud so he can save Aerith.
I'm so excited for the old and new story, I want to see who is in the new secret party with Zack and Aerith.
>>740467163my guess on the guest party members are the turks and cissnei
>>740453850Replace Homer with Cloud
>>740453876I bet the part 3 tutorial is playing as twink Sephiroth
>>740460064Weapon MonkMonk-ey
>>740448129Tifa is shit mage and mediocre warriorAerith is top tier mage, bad warrior
>>740446465>>740447857It's stored in the balls, which is why she's weak.
The only new weapons I don't like are the fish ones they keep showing.
>>740467397Well they weren't of the original five we see in OG, Emerald, Sapphire, Diamond, Ultima, and Ruby.
>>740454406Tank Aerith
>>740467521Knight/Red Mage Aerith looking great
>>740461114isn't that basically what AC did?
>>740444517>>her loss is felt not only in the story but the gameplay itself now that you've lost your most powerful mageYeah, sure, okayCloud, get that Quadra Magic Knights of the Round
>>740444975Yes and each character in FF7 adhered to a famous job class, nigger
>>740452025i burst out laughing every time I see the time jannieswhat a fucking dogshit series of remakesfuck squeenix
>>740457124Sorry but twink hunter Sephiroth is canon. He's the same character as the troll during the Northern crater gaslighting.
>>740466521>>740465243You’re fucking retarded if you’re defending the crappy FMV design of sapphire that was glued together from old stock assets when Square first experimented with human faces.
I think the original REmake was retconned into the second part. It was clear in the first game there were 2 timelines and the timejannies were GUARDING THE LORE from someone who had future knowledge of the timeline.Now I think those ideas were 100% discarded on the second game. But I dont have any doubt they were there.The addition of timejannies makes no sense or purpose.
>>740458694Zack will get dumped a 4th time.
>>740448129cloud was opaeris was the worst party member
>>740453876He was just a boy
>>740468018They're just Weapons of the planet, except Sephiroth is hijacking all weapons apparently now.
>>740447719actually aeris as a physical attacker was pretty horrid
>>740467680such as???
>>740444517I can't wait to see how they utterly rape the ending and watch Remakefags try to defend it
>>740458864Cloud wants to meet Aerith again. He's going to take that hand and never let it go.The learning how to high five sequence was forplay. The holding hands at the end of Rebirth was second base. Madam M taught him erotic hand holding. Hand porn is everywhere.
>>740468340>Cloud wants to meet Aerith again. He's going to take that hand and never let it go.attaching yourself to something that will never happen is bad
>>740468392While that anon is a bit weird, there is a point to be made about the direction things are going; they're tripling down on the stages of grief where Cloud will have to come to terms with the loss of Aerith, and they're gonna drag us through all of that.
>>740459619Organic DEI hits different
>>740459894Yes
Retards
>>740444517>slap cure materia on big nigga barret>no change noticedIm starting to think you niggas dont play games
>>740460154When Cloud gets nuked at the northern Crator he will wake up at Aeriths house where Aerith will teach him how to control the weapons to help the main party. Aeriths pink whale weapon saved Tifa. Everyone gave Tifa some cheese AF pep talk except Aerith who wasn't a figment of her imagination.
>>740460379The trailer showed Yuffie, Barret and Vincent as your main walking around character at times.
>>740461114Is Zack going to kill Cloud with a pillow then?
>>740461524Tifa was a lousy leader. Indecisive the entire time and bails at the first opportunity.
>>740468695It is always funny that in the rush to """""""shitpost""""" /v/ nigger brains always trip themselves up and out themselves as tourists.None of them could tell you the code to get the huge Matera from the rocket without googling it.Or another at all about the secret side quest.
>>740444517Wait Aerith was a combatant in your party? Man why is FF7 glazed so hard? >Sephiroth loses>Aerith isn't even innocent, she kills people just like youIt's celebrated as a tragedy and Sephiroth as a super powerful villain, but when you actually watch what happens it's just a painfully generic battle shounen.Sephiroth should have been truly the strongest character in the game, Cloud should have lost, but his life spared, and Aerith a non combatant that followed you for post battle heals and nothing else.
>>740461805There are 3 Clouds.>Main Cloud>Wheelchair scrub Cloud>The armed with buster sword Cloud who didn't die to the highway tornado like everyone else that everyone confused with Zack.The 1st and 3rd are probably the same Cloud but the singularity broke things.
>>740461878Its all in the first 5 minutes
>>740445106The Tifa black undershirt is the dumbest thing.
>>740462951I accept your concession, nigger.
>>740462770Remake Cloud is on the loose
>>740469161And Wheelchair scrub Cloud is the one that Cloud jumps into to have his "side date" with Aerith before shit starts going down and the final battle starts, and theoretically they're the same person, but 1st and 3rd Clouds are distinct individuals from their timelines.
>Dumb niggers ITT really don't understand that catatonic Cloud replaced alt Cloud in the same way that main Cloud replaced catatonic Cloud temporarily
Is Rebirth worth beating? Got kinda bored 50 hours in and dropped it. There was just so much bloated mini game bullshit.
>>740469443That was a conciousness jump, not a body jump. As then why would Cloud on Zack's back still be on his back if the one with the party was on the Midgar Highway during the Whisper tornado?
>>740448129Vincent is just Aerith reskin?They did Cid so fucking dirty my god.
>>740464775I like both Sapphires. Making the new one twice as big as the canon looks amazing.
>>740446192>>740445956Is this really the case?It's been literal decades since I played 7 and I distinctly remember characters like tifa having a good deal lower magic attack, but whether or not this actually made much difference in damage I can't say I remember.
>>740465379If you didn't try to find a secret way to revive Aeris you are a newfag.
>>740444517But Cait Sith was always the superior mage.
>>740469547He's literally wearing his custom SOLDIER fit instead of the standard issue son and Lifestream is all "consciousness" (memories) anyway baby
>>740469829There is min/max stats for everyone.But the overall rule is that everyone can do everything. Yea Barret does take 10% less damage because of the higher vit stat. But it is not that big of a deal when you go past 1000 health around level 30. By 35 most of the characters have 1500 hp and that coincides with one of the tougher bosses the demon wall.As past that, you start unlocking 3rd tier spells that do 1000s of HP in damage and healing no matter the character.Then by end game you can stat farm to have Barret take the most damage reduction and throw out max damage spells at the same time.
Is the game gonna let me decide my own party instead of deciding it for me every single chapter this time?
>>740456787>>740463159It's not different timeline but multiverse stuff, Sephiroth kinda lore dump it on Cloud.
>>740470192Yes but sometimes noI like to use the party menu mod to have Sephiroth in my party the entire game in Rebirth
>>740468018Sephiroth is the enigmatic whisper. Whenever you see a purple whisper or a whisper with a purple orb Sephiroth is about to do a jump scare.
>>740444517Cid and Vincent should be balancedThey should have made Cissnei and Kyrie as permanent squad members; like Kyrie shows up in Icicle Inn and Cissnei shows up in JunonInstead they went full sausagefest and have confirmed that there will be more Zack segments (with that world's Aeris being alive and present)
>>740461610>They're setting up Cloud defying fateAnd what if fate was Aerith being stuck in an eternal loop of trying to stop Sephiroth because it was the safest thing for the planet but she still had to die initially so the Lifestream could be moved to save Midgar?
>>740468392Close your eyesClose your ears
>>740464775Don’t know what the problem is. From what we’ve seen of Ultima, Sapphire and Ruby in the trailers they look a lot more like Kaiju monsters compared to the original where you could mistake them for mechs. Though I do wonder if they’ll just copy and paste Diamond as he appeared in the FF XV film.
>>740444517You were never going to feel loss regarding Aerith in Remake because the Game being split and her death being a clear cutting off point means everyone basically restart after it anyway. That ship sailed the second Remake went the "Expand Midgar and make a whole game about it" route.>>740469829There are stat differences but they are literally minmax shit, when you equip a materia it comes with stats modifiers that pretty much instantly makes up for the "natural" differences. Some characters are BETTER at different things, but no one is BAD at anything, especially since the system ultimately favors you going Combo-Wombo with Materia for interactions over caring about stats and you'll pretty much able to make everyone hit for 9999 with Atatck or Magic one way or another by the end.IIRC the BIG deal is actually more so their ultimate weapons due gimmick and what is being favored by it, but with some exceptions you ain't really getting those until you are already tickling the "Practically Cap" threshold.
Vincent bros...we are getting his other forms right?
>>740470346No, her fate is dying. Red says protect Aerith. Zack says save her. Notice how neither says 'let her die'?
>>740470457No. That will be the only thing they cut out of all the characters. Please understand.
>>740453183Zack, Cobalt XIV, Indigo XV
>>740470571But that isn't fair! I want Hellmasker
every fuckin game looks like every other game, every time I scroll past this op I think its BG3
>>740470650All just stats n dice rolls at the end of the day amirite
>>740470492>her fate is dyingEVERYONE'S fate is dying. The issue here is Aerith is stuck in this loop of trying to prevent Sephiroth from enacting his plan which means she can't pass on into the Lifestream like she's supposed to.>Zack says save her.From a fate worse than death. Imagine having to relive your death on loop for eternity.>Notice how neither says 'let her die'?Death is the natural conclusion of life, what's going on is unnatural.
Revelation for sure this time, right, /v/?
>>740444517Don't use them. Simple as that. Do you children always need to turn everything into some fiery faggot apocalypse thing?
>>740470457>>740470571I can see Chaos making it as a upgrade, the Death Gigas and Hellmasker are the ones in trouble.
>>740470134Are we counting the overflow glitch here or not? Genuine question because that shit was funny as hell when I first beat the game back in 2015 on my old hand-me-down PS1.>Spend an ungodly amount of time getting extra KotR, Magic Counter, HP and MP Absorb Materia>Shitcan Jenova and both Sephiroths right out the gate.
>>740470784The awful redesign of this enemy was in Rebirth, so he won't be back as you knew him. The English version changed his name, but it was the same name as the original in Japanese.
>>740469392Wheelchair scrub Cloud isn't the date Cloud. Check the shoulder pads. The one Zack drags has two shoulder pads. Date cloud has the one busted one with the screw
>>740470824Galian beast will probably morph its hand into a chainsaw at some point. Death Gigas will probably just be relegated to some electrical attack. Shame.
>>740470784Let it go... It's over... We lost him
>>740470457My schizo theory since rebirth is that everyone’s Ultimate Limit Breaks will be unlocked at various points as part of the plot. In Vincent’s case, Chaos being unlocked and used in the Hojo boss fight.
>>740470457He'll only be available in the final boss fight and only as an uncontrollable NPC.
>>740470975>>740470940I guess I have to move on and accept it's over.
>>740470975Are outfits and playable Sephiroth the only mods available for PC? Not a bad thing and genuinely curious because I don’t trust Squenix to make Revelation run well on Piss5
>>740444517Aeris wasn't the strongest mage in FFVII
>>740470840I was not counting the overflow. But Barret and Vincent can oneshot everyone other Ruby Weapon. Because of it having the highest def stat.To get to that state without using Black Chocobo.Requires like 8 mastered KOTR in the missing Score and 65k kills using Vince's Death penalty.That is a lot of grinding for a 3 second Emerald fight.
>>740470346She's been in a loop for a while.
>>740471128There's one that gives you custom VR fights. One dude has been making bosses like Reno and Rufus playable and made a Cloud boss fight but yeah it's mostly costumes and tweaks
>>740448129This is like the stat differences in FFXIV, after a certain level they don't matter a single bit.
Off all the wall hopium but I hope Vincent's arms turning big and purple here means he can turn into a full Behemoth in a limit unless this IS his lvl1 limit
>>740470457>Galian Beast is free and probably also Limit Break 1>Dunk Gigas is LB2>Jason is LB3>Chaos is LB4 because you know they have to give Cloud Omnislash while also keeping all the past three limitsThere, simple.
>>740466296Old soul new soulless. Calssic badass vs nuslop faggotry. Destroy all new shit and kill all younglings with shit tastes.
The gameplay was always fine. What Revelation needs to do is a better job distinguishing when it's time for a cutscene and when it's time for awkward slow walk gameplay. Your village burning down and you trying to kill Aerith are not appropriate times to be holding forward and mashing L2 and 2.
>>740471294They still exist tho
>>740471446Sounds good to me
Between Vincent and Cid, I'll be hard pressed to use anyone else.>already have 100+ hours with Barret, Tifa, Aerith (yes), and Yuffie in the past two games>Red XIII and Cait Sith were just fine in Rebirth but I never prioritized those freaks>Vincent and Cid are just cool as hell and have been held hostage from us for years
>>740471549A three-point difference is meaningless at level 30 and above.
>>740467274>Tifa is shit mage and mediocre warriorbut a brilliant scientist
I don't understand why people are so against Cloud succeeding in changing fate? I wanted a 1:1 remake, but that's not what they went for. Wanting them to ignore the new plot elements won't change that and will just make the story worse and nonsensical.Or is it because of the attachment Zack and Tifa? I like them too, but they were always meant to be the background pairings to flesh out Cloud/Aerith. I guess Cloud and Tifa do have the possibility of one day becoming a couple, but it never even materializes. Why is it so hard to accept the fact Cloud and Aerith were always meant to be the main pairing of the story?
>>740471728sick reference bro
>>740471621I dunno. I really liked using Tifa and Barret in both games, and had to git gud with Yuffie because of her own story, so those three I can see myself using plenty still if they're about the same in the new game.
>>740471637But they still exist
>>740444517this introduction of the job system from FF5 screams to me that the people making this have no faith in FF7's identity to carry another remake game. Imagine dropping this system 2/3rds of the way into the original game, it's ridiculous and incongruent with what came before.
>>740471859lol ok
>>740471859jobs are from 3, tourist
>>740471784>Why is it so hard to accept the fact Cloud and Aerith were always meant to be the main pairing of the story?This is why. I disagree and plenty of others do too. I think the story is better if Aerith stays dead, and since first finishing the original game, I've never felt that she was better for Cloud than Tifa was.
>>740471845You're really desperate to win this discussion, aren't you.
>>740445036This 100% this.
>>740464775Sapphire need his crocodile eye back, the new one make him looks like a bloody teletubby.
>normies don't know the difference between black mages and white magesThe remakes were a mistake, remember to gatekeep everything that is precious to you.
>>740466563The PS1 designs are literally stolen from Gundam
>>740472141delet
>>740471531I think that problem is a broader one for the whole industry. And to think that all practically began with Press F to pay respects.
>>740472141What the fuck
>>740464775I don't like how everything has to have a million ridges on it. Look at the Rebirth redesign of Bahamut Zero vs original and tell me it isn't a downgrade.
>>740472190I blame SONY. I bet they pushed their haptic memeshit
>>740471901I accept your concession.
>>740451505This dude is retarded and likes plebbit 33 so he's a double retard
i still dont understand Zach. is he Cloud? is Cloud the same person as Zach?
>>740471898Tifa never saw the real Cloud until she fell into his mind, even after that she doesn't understand him. Though I agree they support each other, it's obvious they are not compatible. Aerith came to understand Cloud even when he was under an identity crisis. She keeps loving the guy and looks after him even after death.
>>740472141I mean, there are worse things to steal from. Gundam steals from Gundam too.
>>740471784Aerith dying is supposed to be a tragedy, Sakaguchi's original theme for the game was born from his mother passing away during the development of FF3 and he still had not gotten completely over it. To take that tragedy, and simply undo it, undermines the whole concept and essentially makes the original game pointless because its ending would not matter as the ultimate conclusion of its story. Basically what people like you want is for FF7 to become DBZ, a place where there are no longer any consequences because there's a deus ex machina (i.e. the dragonballs) waiting to fix any major inconvenience that arises.
>>740472412zach is a different person than cloud and an actual soldier, in the flashback cloud has he adopts zachs role as the soldier accompanying sephiroth, cloud fails the soldier "program" initially but has some sort of delayed power given to him that initially disqualifies him, cloud spends the majority of ff7 under the delusion he is zach, to the extent he is even mimicking his personality
>>740472621>Basically what people like you want is for FF7 to become DBZ, a place where there are no longer any consequences because there's a deus ex machina (i.e. the dragonballs) waiting to fix any major inconvenience that arises.Don't forget high octane battles where gravity isn't a factor.
>>740472412He was Cloud's friend who achieved everything Cloud couldn't (but still never managed to defeat Sephiroth). Cloud's personality is based on his image of an ideal SOLDIER (Sephiroth) and Tifa's memories, but his "identity" (who he believes he is) is based on Zack's exploits. Essentially, Cloud placed himself over Zack on what he remembers Zack did. In the OG they were not that different, but Zack's personality in Crisis Core is the opposite of Cloud's in the main game.
>>740472141whats a icarus kuroi
>>740472621The tragedy already happened. This is a sequel. Cloud changing fate is the culmination of years of struggle for his character. I wanted an actual remake, but that's not what we got.
>>740472890>The tragedy already happenedIf you can simply undo a tragedy then it's no longer a tragedy>Cloud changing fate is the culmination of years of struggle for his characterComing to grips with a loss is what should be the culmination of years of struggle but that also should have been achieved by the end of OG FF7. Everything else has been forced drama in order to make money off people like you who disregard the gravitas of a properly concluded story and why things like FFX-2.5 exist.
>>740472890And square's mistake was thinking people would keep up with that struggle when everyone wanted a remake instead of the "culmination " of the compilation
>>740453682The director spoke about how as a kid he would look at fake rumors and try to “revive” her. Would be crazy if there was a secret way to unlock her as a bonus char. For me, my logic is that we didn’t see her LB4 yet.
>>740473038>coming to terms with lossAfter 30 years that wouldn't be a culmination, it would be giving a character an objective and having him give up at the end. I like the tragedy of the original. The focus of the trilogy is struggling against fate.
>>740473058It was not farfetched of them to expect supposed "fans" of the original game who kept begging for spinoffs and remakes to actually follow and emphatize with the journey, struggle, and objective set by the main character. They obviously expected people to root for him to succeed.
>>740473150Explain to me where Cloud had any kind of intention or inkling that he could somehow resurrect Aerith or undo her death before Remake
>>740473086>her LB4I mean it's just Planet Protector + heal, maybe she uses it from the lifestream at a clutch moment or something
>>740473238Guess they got a rude awakening when Rebirth's sales were so low that we still don't have a sales milestone for it.
>>740473240He didn't, he wanted to reunite but assumed it was impossible. Nomura still sees him as suffering in DC. But the opportunity is there now, what do you expect him to do?
>>740444517The fuck you on about? In the original anyone could literally any job. That was the whole point of the maria system.
>>740473351I'm not disagreeing. They should have done an actual remake and an actual sequel instead of a merge. But I'm still enjoying the trilogy as something separate from the OG. Maybe they didn't want to supplant the original.
>>740473512Part 3 has a new system where you can put team members in different roles. How is this so hard to understand?
>>740473582You mean classes? That have been in FF since LITERALLY the first one?
>>740473503>the opportunity is there nowSo it wasn't the culmination of 30 years, got it.
>>740473710It is? It's part of the new story, a sequel linked to all the previous entries.
>>740472127>Press X to Attack>Press X to Attack (Heal)Final Fantasy never had any gameplay variation. It's just checkers for the mentally handicap.
>>740473954Pokemon for teens
>>740473889Doesn't matter. They OG ending will be the base ending and the new ending a continuation of that one, even if it's a reunion.So people can still turn off their console and don't see it.
>>740473889>It is?It's only been around for 6 years. The whole point of AC was Cloud is still feeling guilty about Aerith's death for zero reason, not that he had a way to prevent/undo it. But if Cloud can bring back Aerith then why stop there? Why not bring back his mom, Tifa's dad and Barret's wife? Why not bring back the people that died at Sector 7 due to their inadvertent influence? See where this is going?
>>740474286Because it's about Cloud's feelings. Like it not, Aerith is the one he wants to see.
>>740444975But here it breaks immersion more than nurse outfits in a MMO
>>740474286>so you want to revive your girlfriend dude? What about all the people that have died then, why don't you want to revive them? Pretty selfish on your part.This is how you guys sound. Besides, Zack is the selfless hero that likes everyone equally, not Cloud.
Excited for Zack and Aerith's reunion. Hope is not as shitty as EC.
>>740474569>Because it's about Cloud's feelingsGuess he never cared about his mom at all then. I'm sure that's one of the things Aerith loves about him.
>>740474670Wrong way around. There's not a thing Cloud doesn't cherish. Zack only likes Shinra.
>>740474670Is it wrong though? Why shouldn't he revive all the people that wrongfully died if he can do it for Aerith?
>>740444975FPBPThe game also needed a Materia loadout system, because switching and swapping materia was cumbersome. :)
>>740474918You guys act like he genuinely received a revival machine he refuses to use for others instead of having to fight tooth and nail to save the person that is precious to him.
>>740474986>You guys act like he genuinely received a revival machineExplain how Cloud "saves Aerith from her fate"
>>740452724>scarlett slapping minigameWhat about the Scarlett plapping minigame?
>>740475086Explain what "defying fate", Marlene telling Zack to get Cloud better to save Aerith, Red telling Cloud to protect her, etc, is about? Is it all a red herring?
>>740475262You tell me since people are interpreting it as essentially bring her back to life
