https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXW6GFxYxsQITLOOKSSOFuCKING GOOOD!!!!!!https://www.totalwar.com/games/warhammer-40k/betahttps://www.totalwar.com/games/warhammer-40k/betahttps://www.totalwar.com/games/warhammer-40k/betaCLOSED BETA SIGN UP FOR LATER THIS YEAR!!
Doesn't this developer swing back and forth from making kino to absolute shit? What will it be this time?
>>740551981>no eldar footage
Game looks so sweet. Reminds me of how I felt playing Dawn of War back in 2004.
tyranids doko?
>>740551981ranged units seem op
It looks better than I thought it would but it's 100% going to run like shit.
>CANo thanks. They absolutely botched Warhammer 3 and continue to botch it. Anyone who has any faith in anything they make is a fool.
It looks like Dawn of War 2 with larger squads. Pass.
>>740552127Creative Assembly haven't made a good game in ages. Also fun fact: they actually have their own Concord called Hyenas, it cost $200mil and was cancelled, it was supposed to be a PVP extraction shooter and it had trans characters
>>740552127It's more like "they made kino between Rome 1 and Shogun 2 and then haven't made a good game since"
>>740553408Tbf, after cancelling Hyenas they've seen to be making more decent decisionsActually focusing on WH3Broke the "IN CASE OF EMERGANCY" announcements by announcement Medieval 3 and tw40k, then even have isolation 2 in the pipeline now
Hope Knights are in this. I wish for Titans, but they probably won't.
>>740553567>Actually focusing on WH3Are they? It's still months between patches, which often don't address problems or claim to fix problems but then don't actually fix the problems. They've obviously got a skeleton crew supporting WH3. I'm not even excited for the End Times because it's inevitably going to introduce a host of bugs that will require a year or more to fix.
>>740552205They're future dlc, not part of the base game.
>>740553567>>740553764>Make an END TIMES DLC>Put Nagash front and center for it since he's a big deal in End Times>Go to reveal the second LL>Boris Memebringer, a character who's a glorified Empire Captain, who did basically nothing in the End Times
>>740555047people have been asking for Boris since WH2fuck the retarded furries they added tho
>>740551981>videoThe more the game director talked the less hyped I was for this game.
>>740552127>Trying something new and ambitious.>It's a fucking mess that barely functions.>Claw back goodwill with a number of tame iterations.>Build ends up a spaghetti code mess since you keep building off one major work.>Decide it's time for something new and ambitious to wipe the slate clean.>It's a fucking mess that barely functionsI doubt 40K will be good. It's probably going to be another R2 disaster.
>>740552127DLC is going to be $30 a pack.
>>740551981I like Warhammer 3 and Ill like this.
>>740555294>fuck the retarded furries they added thoWho?
>>740551981I have some minor nitpicks, but overall it looks bretty goodHope we'll also have some battlefields set in a variety of more natural/rural settings rather than just city ruins, the Galaxy is a big and varied place after all
>>740555363>Always see people shitting on Rome 2>It's actually among my favourite Total War games that I always keep returning toGranted, I fucking love the time period so I'm biased, but why exactly it's so hated?
>>740553792They've already been confirmed to be part of the base game. They're even on the cover art.
Actual tabletop popularity of each army.
>>740551981what about total medieval 3? i guess, i'm good to back on ck3...
>>740555641tigermen from chinklands
>>740556019Its a shame genestealers is not popular they are cool but they are among the worst most tedious armies to paint ever made by gw
>>740556019Death Guard being that fucking high is a big surprise for me and I also expected Tyranids and Necrons to be a few places lower. Also kinda surprised that Tau and Sisters aren't a bit higher. Other than that, largely what I expected
I'm really hyped for this. It looks like they got the scale right, that Baneblade is fucking huge. Also saw some of that standard CA jank where large single entities can barely path around small units but I guess it's to be expected.
>>740555862It was a complete dumpster fire at launch. Battles barely worked, ships would walk on land, horrible UI, terrible framerate drops, models were all sorts of bugged. Just one big steaming turd, it was surprising the game could even launch.
>>740555439no they wont
>>740556251I dunno, I'm actually having lots of fun painting mine, but they're definitely among the most detail-heavy models. It's at least a fairly varied kind of details though, so it doesn't get stale, unlike, say, doing the armour trims on Chaos Space Marines. But most models being way too overdetailed to paint quickly has been an overall problem with GW releases for a long time now. It's cool to paint and display, not to actually prepare for playing in any sensible amount of time
>>740556083I think Medi3 is WAY out, when they announced it, it was nothing more than a placeholder logoAt the Show and Tell stream, they showed off some very early dev footage alongside some concept art, didn't look very far along dev wiseWouldn't be surprised if they only started work on it after hyenas got raped
>>740556436>at launchThat'd explain it I guess, I've only started playing it a few years later
What are the chances this doesnt run like shit and takes at least 8 months of patches to be playable?
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>>740556019I'm shocked to see the Votann so high, I would think that as a new army it would take time for them to ascend the ranks.
>>740556585>I think Medi3 is WAY outMed3 is at least 3 years away. I fully expect 40K to be out next year though.
>>740556632 ZEROZE ROZE ROZE ROZE ROZE RO ZERO
>>740556769I'm not sure what the exact methodology here was, but I think they were pretty broken at launch making lots of soulless tournament fags invest into Votann armies. It might be a holdover from that because I sure as hell don't see them being popular now
>>740556019Yers
>>740556125Bashiva looks ugly as fuck though, I bet it's more to appeal to chinkoids than furfags (and to fill out their barebones roster with no lore)
>>740556019Is their really a big difference between Space Marines/CSM and specific chapters? Should just roll them into one.
>>740551981Honestly what I'm afraid about most (and the way they talk about this in the video seems to confirm it) is that they will completely fuck up the scale of the setting and make it possible for the player to conquer the entire galaxy themselves throughout the campaign. 40k is a setting where wars for some shitty small star clusters routinely drag out for generations, engaging hundreds of regiments on thousands of battlefields and consuming millions of lives. You shouldn't be able to just steamroll through it with a bunch of doomstacks. The best they could do to stay more or less faithful to the scale, but satisfy the map painters is to keep it to some fairly small area of Galaxy rather than portraying the whole thing
>>740553408That thing killed Total Warhammer 3 and Bretonnia updates.
>>740556563>they're definitely among the most detail-heavy modelsIs it like painting a Necromunda gang? I painted Orlock during Easter and it was probably the most time-consuming set of guys per head, but I dunno if that's mostly because of the palette chosen.
>>740551981>designed with consoles in mindit'll be shit
yep that thing will be running at 20 fps on a 5090
>>740557886Similar or even slightly more complex I'd say, but I haven't painted anything for Necro myself, so I'm just estimating based on pictures.Would love to get into it one day, but we already play other skirmish games with my friends, so not any time soon probably
>>740551981I'm excited for it, I like that I can customise my Space Marine chapter. I'm think Black Templars, Carcharodons, Maybe Lunar Wolves for the 30k mod/ dlc. Might try a homebrew at some point. But I'm glad that option exists and the battles look fairly large across a wide scope of multiple planets and Solar systems.
>>740556019I wonder if Custodes will be an option at some point. They're not Space Marines so I don't know how they'd be factored into the game, they're very small in number, they're not an army but a 'force' if you will. Same with Deathwatch they're not an Army so not sure how they would be factored into the game.
>>740557373>Space MarinesThey work as supplements. Blood Angels and Dark Angels are basically SM+ if you're not using the bevy of characters that codex-compliant chapters have, while the rest are a bit more restrictive with either their own versions of units or different equivalences. It took a buff mid-edition for compliant chapters to get an extra buff to their core army rule, as to not punish playing vanilla marines, but it's generally still better to play divergent if you're not Ultramarines.Grey Knights have always basically been their own army since Daemonhunters. Nobody knows what's really happening with them, since they're still coasting on old models. Not even a new character last edition, the fucking BABY CARRIER got an upgrade sprue.>Chaos Space MarinesGeneric CSM is pretty appalling for legion-exclusives, for they don't exist. Black Legion, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, Night Lords, and Alpha Legion are no different outside of flavored detachments and on-brand units like Nemesis Claws and all the Red Corsairs stuff can be taken by anyone. Can ally in Rubric, Plague, and Noise Marines, as well as Berzerkers, albeit gimped without an army rule because fuck you (similar deal with Knights as allies).Cult Legions are ultimately their own self-contained armies for better or worse, which means having nothing like basic Legionaries, Havocs, or Raptors. DG and TS are pretty alright, but WE feels really anemic as a range, and EC's modern incarnation is only really just starting too. GW had the balls to cull Daemon allies for all of them unless you take specific detachments, and very few units are shared. Like everyone's got Rhinos, Land Raiders, and the updated FUCKHUGE Defilers, but they're not consistent with giving everyone Predator Tanks let alone Legends models (where all but EC can take a bevy of 30k tanks and the like).
>>740558704They've said that the game will be structured around multiple smaller campaigns working towards some greater goal, so I could see the Deathwatch being deployed to different sectors and temporarily seizing planets for the purpose of the campaign.
>>740558816>They've said that the game will be structured around multiple smaller campaigns working towards some greater goalReally?Thank God, I was on a similar boat to >>740557384
>>740552205>biel-tan confirmedAnd...Macha?
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>>740558816I'm very curious to see the scale in play. I don't mind smaller campaigns for smaller forces and a big campaign for the 'main' forces if you will. Much like in Rome Total war you had the main campaign, but then you had dlc like the Rome Alexander campaign which was more focused, and same with Medieval where you have the main campaign being free foam sandbox of country and Empire building, but then you had a more focused campaign on just the crusades.I wonder if this WH40K game will have those options. I really need more information about it.
Need a few focused narratives campaigns like realm of chaos or the kislav tutorial
>>740558704Could be neat if Custodes appear as NPCs in battles that take place on Terra
>>740558898>>740559059https://youtu.be/njanDkiImPw&t=781They talk about it around here in their post-launch discussion. It's a bit vague, but it seems like one playthrough of the game can involve many separate campaigns strung together.
>>740559153I worry if they add in 'Todes they'll be the 'new' kind with femstodes in their ranks which to me will just fucking kill me. I read Constantin Valdor and in the beginning blurb of the book it says very explicitly that they are an ancient 'Brotherhood' not 'sisterhood' or 'warrior lodge of men and women', but 'Brotherhood' and yes I know I'm getting mad at things I've invented lol. I just know CA and GW, they want to push it a bit to appeal to a broader audience and I do not want that.
>>740559507Yeah GW just did a retcon for the hell of it and doubled down with some of the 30k models outright having subtle boobplate. At this point they're really just turning into sci-fi Stormcast.
>>740559507>>740559742Who cares? Just mod it out.
>>740559890If only had I some experience with greenstuff.
>>740559507>>740559742>>740559890>GW finally made a Custodes focused animation >Ruined it immediately by making it femstodes.
Custodes are shitty Mary Sues that should have just been a minor part of the lore instead of receiving major spotlight, let alone becoming a separate tabletop faction. Only Grey Knights are worse in that regard
>>740558704they are absolutely going to milk this just as hard as they did Fantasy, expect DLC/sequels to add every main army
>>740561316>Mary SuesThey're highly specialized bodyguardsThis power level shit is embarassing outside of frontline infantry.
>>740561316>>740561592They're not Mary Sues but they are very powerful units. That's the point though they're meant to be the best of the best of the best but there is only a very small number of them and their remit until Guilliman came back was to guard the Emperor and to remain on Terra. That was it. I don't remember which Space Marine it was but I remember them commenting on the Custodes that they are supremely powerful and yet they fight as individuals and not as a unit like Space Marines. That's the weakness of the Custodes and that was noted and used against them. Space Marines remember are physically weaker than even the Thunder Warriors but they're so deadly because they work together as a unit, as an Army their coordination with their brothers is their strength and that is the failings of the ThunderWarriors, of the Custodes even.
>>740559507>>740559742femstodes are here to stay, chuds
>>740562149Looks like fucking Fabio
>>740561907Lol that's marine cope.Custodes have no weakness and they are just better than any marine that ever existed. Their final purpose is the complete eradication of space Marines.Marine players need to accept that there is a faction that is simply just better than theirs. That is all.
>>740562740Do you have any friends? People you talk to on a daily basis? No? I wonder why...
>>740556595Yeah, some one would argue it's a polished turd (I sure would), but either way the game actually works now. I fully expect 40K to either be a dumpster fire at launch or get significant delays like 3K did.
>>740559507Removing the Femtodes will be the second most popular mod after red lasguns lases.
>>740563191>Removing the Femtodes will be the second most popular mod after red lasguns lases.> red lasguns lases.LMFAO
>malestodes only mod>red lasgun mod>pre-primaris armor mod>mod that wipes all references to primaris >mod that turns space marine gravtanks back into the old treaded vehicles What am I missing?
>>740563191Agreed, and if they don't come out with an expansion/ dlc then another popular mod will be a Great Crusade 30k campaign - Horus Heresy - The Scouring preferably in that order. Side note, I know they're adding in armoured vehicles but I don't know how big they're going to get, Knights maybe? I guarantee they won't add in Titans as they'd be too OP.
>>740563789God a HH Campaign mod would be so good
>>740563773Necron voice removal mod for oldcron vibes
>>740553378Dawn of War 2 really, really sucked shit. That company of heroes style gameplay always felt fucking gross to me. Plus watching like 3 squads of Marines going up against a dozen or two orks was just stupid.
>>740561907>Supremely powerful They're elite infantry, with the all the constraints that that entails.This isn't DBZ faggot
>>740563969CoH is top tier, DoW2 would be good if it was like CoH.Instead you got 1/3rd of the units you can get on CoH with half of the depth because muh Warcraft RPG elements.Everytime 40K tries to be like Blizzardslop it fails, if I want to play Blizzshit trash I'll play their shitty games (I won't).
So what factions are confirmed
Where's the other IG armour and heavy weapons squads? No Stormtroopers?
>no diplomacy That fits better but the imperium does work with alien races (and sometimes chaos) all the time, just never any longstanding ones I just want leaders to bark at each other >Hey human, surrender for the greater good pls>THE GREATER GOOD IS COMING FROM MY BOLTER, FILTH
>>740564230Eldar and Orks, the only ones that matter. There's also Spess Muhreens and Simp Guard, but who cares about that? Surely not you anon, you seem pretty cool.
>>740551981Will there be space naval combat?
>>740555047When the fuck are they adding yin yin. You know, the expansionist cathy dragon that actually makes sense for a game like total war.
>>740564764A Greenskin made this post. Real Eldar BVLLS will simply be watching and laughing while you and the filthy Monkeigh slaughter each other for our entertainment.
>>740556019Aren't half of these just different colored space marines?What's the point?
>>740564865Doubt it they didn't add Naval battles to Fantasy, at most you'll get auto resolve. There's Battlefleet Gothic for that if you're interested, also has a turned based Map Painting overworld.
black templars status?
>>740551981How's this one supposed to play?Isn't total war cavalry charges and mashing blobs together? 40k probably has a lot more guns than the usual TW game, no?
>>740565002That sucks, the perfect game would have a space battle and then invasion
>>740564904Why did a Greenskin make your post?
>>740565036Pay up piggy.
>>740556019>Tyranids are the third mot popular army>We get snubbed in every fucking game for some stupid reasonWhy are normalfags unable to play as 'the bad guys' in a setting where even the 'good guys' eat onions green and mass murder people because they might be psychic?
>>740565226Pain in the ass the model.
>>740565751Dawn of War 2 managed just fine, it's not that fucking hard.
>>740565781No, but it is more time consuming and resource intense. Why bother when you can shit out cheap stuff with other races and your game will sell just as well.
>>740565847In otherwords>However much you hate game developers, you don't hate them enough
>>740552127When it comes to TW specifically their core design team doesn't really understand what makes a good and compelling TW game anymore. This is before even touching on the clusterfuck that is their technical debt from dragging an engine along at least a decade past when it should have stopped being used. It has largely fallen to the DLC team and now Team Sofia (who are slavs that did stuff core CA didn't care about doing) to pick up the slack and fix up and develop whatever the core CA team shits out. Realistically if this game launches in a stable state and doesn't chug along at a buttery smooth 25FPS it will be another minor miracle. I have zero faith in the actual gameplay side of things being good. At best it might be passable but there will intentionally be massive DLC sized holes in the game one way or another.
>>740565226they're just starting small with the basicsnids are a lock for DLC because people will pay for themless excited about the possibility that they're saved for a game 2 or 3 if they want to stretch this out into something like the Fantasy games
>>740565974The starting roster in most 40k games sucks cock though. If there's a roster at all.Space Marine 1 and 2 and not a single Ork campaign? Fucking bullshit.
>>740553205It wouldn't be CA if it wasn't buggy and runs like shit on release
>>740566112Dumb fuck. Why would there be an Ork campaign in a blatantly single faction game? Thats like moaning that theres no guard campaign in fucking Fire Warrior. Even then, a Chaos mirror campaign would be more fitting as you can use the same mechanics with extras and have the cast backstab and berate each other in contrast to the loyalists.
>>740566521No no no, you're right, every 40k game should be about fucking space marines.
>>740566591The game is called Space Marine you dumb nigger
>>740566591Thats not the argument Im making you stupid fuck. Why would a space marine game bother making an ork campaign? All it would be would be a shit reskin of a marine as either a boss/warboss or nob and have other reskinned stuff. Would much rather a dedicated Ork game than normalfag classic 'but muh x faction plz' pity scraps. >and b4 this retard thinks Im shilling for more marine wank
>>740566591Space Marine 1/2 are linear cinematic action adventure games you dumb cunt.They don't have rosters. Fuck you're retarded
>>740566958>Why would a space marine game bother making an ork campaign?To make even more money?
>>740568785You are either 13 years old or 75 IQ
Really don't know why people are getting hyped. No naval battles? Really? Newer TW games just feel like spectacle simulations and become less tactical as time goes on. The battle maps get smaller and narrower with more shit shoved into the sides/background but is half the size of a Shogun 2 map.
they made several people who worked on Attila: Total War into lead devs and the game director for Warhammer 40k so it can go both waysI think due to the scale of 40k they should have waited to develop it on the new engine but I guess SEGA wanted money now, not years later
>>740565948How much do you want to bet there'll be no reload animations?
Man I must be getting old or something because this looks like irredeemable cash grab dogshit that isn't faithful to 40k or total war. The graphics looks terrible, something is horribly wrong with the lighting system. Then the models/animations themselves look like they're out of a mobile game. Not to mention that giant terrible UI that fills your entire screen.
>>740569747This was my reaction to total war warhammer 10 years ago. I still dont know how people bought the same game 3 times and spent hundreds on DLCs. The 3rd game's campaign map and battle AI is literally worse than in 1 and 2.
>>740551981I have warhammer fatigue.
>>740552127They haven't made a good game since Rome 2 about 14 years ago. Their Warhammer fantasy games are utter dogshit and destroyed the gameplay of this entire franchise. This looks cooler but I doubt it will be any better really.
>>740569886Seriously how can anyone look at this and think yes I want 40% of my screen to be a mobile UI.
>>740570032>"but it's an alpha!"
>>740570221And now we have to deal with the retcon of lasguns being red beams to yellow bullets to go with, whatever the hell this is.
>>740569971Rome 2 is getting rehabilitated now? Dude that was the game that made me never preorder games again.Rome 2 pissed away all of the goodwill it got back from the playerbase after Shogun 2 made up for Empire Total War and it's awful engine we've been stuck with since 2009.Remember how you could have single units walking around on the map that weren't attached to a general's army? You can't do that anymore because you could attach and re-attach units together in games with Empire's engines and get infinite movement.CA has made more bad games than good at this point.
>>740570441Neither Empire nor Rome 2 were ever bad. Warhammer 1 2 and 3, Three Kingdoms, Troy, and Pharaoh are all garbage though.
>>740570516low quality bait
>>740570551Not bait. Keep seething.
>>740570621post your Rome 2 buy date
>>74055198140K Looks bad graphically, like WH quality. But thats what you get when they make it for the consoles tooTotal war will never reach its peaks like it did before
>>740570516Empire in its base state still has completely anemic AI. The game still crashes if you make too many artillery craters in siege battles. It was dogshit in 2009 and it's dogshit today.
>>740570993I'm just relieved they don't try and bullshit us with fake trailers and gameplay footage anymore.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaDlihIqPwsRemember this shit?
>>740552127>release broken product>smaller dlc team left holding the bag>slowly fix everything over years>new release uses older broken version to build new content off>smaller dlc team left holding the bag againevery time
>>740556254they recently got a good sized army addition
>>740564865well they show various ships in orbit... maybe boarding action maps?
>>740564865>>740571609Betting on your ship being your "general" that you recruit from like the Chaos Warriors in TWWH3 or a Black Ark for Dark Elves. Seeing ships in orbit is the equivalent of the two generals clashing swords before you load into a battle.There's no naval combat because they're cowards and will cut content completely instead of improving on it. Also their trash AI probably couldn't handle it.
>>740551981CA I JUST WANT SHOGUN III. WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME!? I DON'T WANT TO PLAY AS RETARDED SMELLY ORCS, TRICKED SKELETON ROBOTS, BLUEBERRY FAGBOYS, OR FIGHT FOR A GUY WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE JUST A SKELETON ON A CHAIR ACCORDING TO A BUNCH OF FAT FANBOYS WHO ONLY POST PICTURES OF HIM IN HIS PRIME. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I already saw one of the Kasrkin in the video was a black woman. Fuck this gay shit. Hopefully someone makes mods immediately to fix this sort of thing.
>>740564865>>740571609>>740571709There is no naval/space battles because Man 'O War and Battlefleet Gothic are technically separate IPs and Games Workshop is incredibly anal about that.
I don't give a shit about warhammer but the upcoming train wreck of Medieval 3 might be interesting. They are probably going to stick with their stupid style of minutely separating units by weapon type so you have levy clubs levy spears levy swordsmen levy axemen levy baseball bats etc instead of a more realistic approach of having the unit models with mixed weapons and averaging out the the combat profile. Medieval 2 had a mild form of the same problem but it still had a very war-gamy feel to the army lists where you could tell some of these guys were playing Field of Glory or DBA. God forbid they try and represent late medieval swiss pike columns. How is their engine going to represent an army attacking in 3 gigantic squares of 2000 pikemen and halberdiers each covered by swarms of handguns and crossbows? Nope we will get spaghetti lines of the same 200 model size units we always get.
>>740572082Can't wait to see you beg for a legit copy update or mods
>>740572081How convenient when each new TW game had less and less naval elements until WH had absolutely nothing.
>>740572178>until WH had absolutely nothingWarhammer was supposed to have naval combat until GW said no precisely because naval combat in the WHF universe is legally a separate IP that CA had no rights to. CA then just didn't pursue the matter further despite some development for naval battles having been done already.
>>740572275And your excuses for Pharaoh and 3k? GW again?
>>740572275>Warhammer was supposed to have naval combat No it wasn't. People speculated and hyped themselves up into a fervor leading up to WH2 after WH1 was essentially a tech demo with a lot of features missing.CA never confirmed or denied anything and just let people delude themselves.
Also was it GW's mandate to make the sieges as buggy and as unfun as possible? Part of the lore the doors randomly open and can't be damaged anymore?
>>740572383I'm sure GW mandated capture points that the AI hasn't been able to figure out since Rome 2 introduced them. Assladders too.
>>740572316There are no excuses, just facts.>>740572336There is leftover code for naval battles in the games to this very day, anon.
>>740556019NEGRON CHADS WON DAS RITE
>>740552127They haven't made a genuinely good Total War game since Shogun 2. Rome 2 is garbage. The Warhammer trilogy is only good because of the setting with the gameplay itself being a bug-riddled mess that becomes painfully boring in the late game. All the other various random Total Wars since Shogun 2 aren't worth mentioning. 40K will be good until the novelty of the setting wears off and it turns out to be yet another auto-resolve simulator after turn 30.
>>740572414Don't forget the horrid pathfinding and the long click ignoring ports on the map, was in the contract right next to guns line of sight being blocked by a small dirtslop>>740572482WE WUZ SPACE KANGS AND SHIEEEET *smacks flayed lips* DAS RIGHT
CA make fun games that also come with fucking bizarre design decisions and pants on head retarded monetization.I don't expect this to be any different.
>>740572543The console adaptation part is a new worrying development on top of the usual stuff
>>740556019Why do people love Necron so muchI thought they dont like nuNecron?
>>740572603I bet it's because they are meta
>>740572603Maximum troll armyIt will never cease to make people mad with resurrecting Necrons
>>740570441>Dude that was the game that made me never preorder games again.It was the first time I preorderd a game and last time.It fucking ruined TW for me and I was a TW vet.Though they have redeemed the game now. Its a great game now.
>>7405725173kangdom is good though Best mechanics since shogun 2
>>740570441>You can't do that anymore becauseWhile I dont like the change they did it to make the game flow better because the AI would use low stacks and make turns take forever.It makes more sense, even if I dont like the change it is better for TW overall.
>>740572603What? NuNecrons was a smash hit, noobs love them.
>>740572673Nah it's boring
>>740564865>>740571609Found this from when they first released info about the game in December:>Wage war across a galactic sandbox where there is no peace, only war. Expand your empire turn by turn; capturing planets, upgrading fleets, and managing your war economy as you carve a path through the stars to dominance.>Fight to determine the fate of entire worlds. Conquer and develop strongholds, bombard enemies from orbit, and deploy your armies to the ground to engage in breathtaking real-time battles over planetary installations and regions.>And when the threat becomes too great, consider unleashing apocalyptic weaponry to erase entire planets from existence.Zero mention of space combat.>>740572517>>740572518I can't wait for:>Death Korps of Krieg have signed a trade agreement with White Scars Chapter for +2 income>Space Marine Bikes pathing into a Shoota Boy Squad and their arbitrary charge bonus wears off and they can't disengage or rout the unit>Orbital Bombardment being reskinned FOTS Naval Bombardment (with extra shells if you pick the yellow line instead of red/blue line)>Nurgle Plague event reduces your reinforcement rate by 4% for 3 turns.>Critically wounding Gazghghul with your Space Marine lieutenant for 4 turns if you specced into the 1/2/3% agent success rate blue line.However much people want to hype themselves over this game it will still be saddled by awful nu-TW mechanics.
>>740572603>Necrons have been Nucrons for longer than Oldcrons ever existed.I won't say it was all bad, obligatory Trayzn stroking here, and some of the personal stuff about how shitty being a Necron is fits the gilded horror theme just right but I really do miss the characterless force of nature the Necrons used to be since it was a good foil to the Eldar and a mirror to the Tyrinids.
>OP>followed by first comment with multiple (you)sAdvertisement. This is why they took away the poster countm00t is in the Epstein files btw
>>740572718Game turns have taken longer than ever since they introduced General-only-armies with Rome 2.Rome 2's turns on launch took over 5 minutes since not everyone had an SSD back then.The engine is dogshit.
>>740572789If you dont know anything about the setting
>>740572831>Space Marine Bikes pathing into a Shoota Boy Squad and their arbitrary charge bonus wears off and they can't disengage or rout the unitIf it's like WH, the Ai will be able to spam 500 orders per second so their cavalry can extricate themselves>>740572912we got a free thinker over here!
>>740563969It really does suck. I never understood its popularity. I recently tried playing it again and it plays like utter shit. It's like someone's pet project of modding DoE into Diablo, but the game engine really doesn't work for that purpose.It's slow, janky and too focused on micro. Pathfinding is terrible, half the time the units did their own thing instead of attacking what I ordered. The cover gimmick barely works.I wanted to like it, but it's just so awful.
>100% guaranteed no naval because battlefleet gothic It’s so over
>>740573025I don't buy it at all. It's people running defense for CA cutting features from their games. Why could we go into a Space Hulk in DOW2 if Space Hulk is a seperate IP?Why did we have fliers in DOW1 if Aeronautica Imperialis is a seperate IP?Do they really expect us to believe GW wouldn't let them do naval battles? CA basically got free reign to do whatever they wanted with Cathay and Kislev in WH3. The Old World is only a thing because of the surprise success of TWWH.
RT had naval battles and it was the worse fucking thing in the game
>>740573152BFGA1/2 are abandonware too so it's not like GW doesn't want competing properties.
>>740573025TWW1 was going to have naval combat and CA didn't have the license for Man of War. The real reason is that they are lazy.
>>740552127I hope Hyenas served as a swift kick to the balls for CA that forced them to sort their shit out, but I doubt it. These cunts are exceptionally retarded most of the time.
>>740573703>I hope Hyenas served as a swift kick to the balls for CA that forced them to sort their shit out, but I doubt it.Don't forget Pharaoh. Didn't they refund all copies of the game or something?
>>740573745no
>>740573793>"Elsewhere, all Total War Pharoah owners will receive a partial refund to their Steam wallets. The price of TW Pharaoh has been reduced to $39.99 / £29.99, and anybody who purchased the game at its previous price will receive the partial refund. Additionally, the deluxe and Dynasty editions of the game have been removed completely, meaning there is now only one version of Total War Pharoah available to buy."Partial refund, sorry.
>>740573853I forgive you.
>>740570032they did that on purpose so that people was take screenshots and speculate about the unit roster.its just marketing.
>>740563789they won allow HH mods the same way they banned all the Sigmar and Lotr mods.
>>740572603models are cool and are one of the most (if not the most) easy armies to paint. And if you look at the lore side nearly every novel or short story featuring them is really good. The nucron hate is mostly from the old heads who still miss the days when they were basically robot tyranids in the sense that they were a mysterious and unstoppable force that was imposible to comprehend or reason with. I feel like that new named character they introduced lately called Nekrosor Ammentar is a pretty addition cause he’s like the progenitor of the Destroyer Curse and just wants to bring back the Nightbringer to his original form in order to kill everyone in the galaxy which feels more like how necrons used to be at the start.
>>740574086They will because Age of Sigmar and Lotrs are different 'Universes'.30k is the same Universe as Warhammer40k simply 10k years prior to the current timeline. That's all.
>>740573635>The real reason is that they are lazySmall family company, please understand
>>740551981Only 40k cattle would think this looks good. I was saying from the beginning that this fucking series and 40k doesnt mix. They units are too fucking slow. Why are they slowly walking like its a stroll while getting shoot to pieces from all directions and getting bombarded by artillery? Cant wait for vehicles going 20mph. Im not buying this shit. Dow1 still king
>>740574086>>740574249>the perfect game to get star wars mods up because we won't get a total war star wars ever>james will nuke shit down with the force of 10000 psykersits over
>>740574249Different IP, they wont allow it, they wont even allow ship battles. This is GW we are talking about, they are on the same tier as nintendo when its about being huge bitches about their IP.
>>740551981>Support the consoles: PS5 and Xboxoooofff They will dumb it down harder. It will run LAGGGGGY
>>740574441If James didn't, Disney sure would.
>>740574542It's not a different IP, it's classified as a 'Prequel'. It's not a separate entity unlike Age of Sigmar and Lotrs compared to Warhammer Fantasy.https://www.dicebreaker.com/series/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/opinion/warhammer-30k-horus-heresy-why-big-dealhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/topics/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/Let me put it this way in the simplest way I can, what happened in 30k directly affects what happens in 40k.What happens in Sigmar has nothing to do with Fantasy. What happens in lotr has nothing to do with Warhammer Fantasy.
>>740574439DoW1 is the goat but lets not pretend like anything was fast in that game either (other than like flyers and DE bikes). Melee is viable only by the fact that line of sight was minuscule and shooting range was roughly within spitting distance
>>740573025Not true at all and never has been, they did a dev talk where they said they wanted to do it for launch but it might be too much and it's something they would do as later DLC if they must.
>>740575053Mate, Gothic Armada is just ship combat in the WH40k universe and it is a different IP, necromunda is a different IP, you can be in the same universe and require a different license.
>>740575235I have a bridge to sell you.
>>740575351Yes they are nortorious liars but here you go https://www.youtube.com/live/n2YXPtt3lUc?si=pb9V3x4Mgo3O_vi_&t=3249
>>740575053You need to purchase the BFG IP license to include ship battles. It's separate from the 40K license, weirdly enough. Given that most plays dislike ship battles (mad because bad, but whatever) there's no way CA shills out for a second license to add them.
>>740575249>>740575457That's not what is being argued here. The licence for Warhammer 40k Total War, is done, it's there, a mod for that game for 30k would not be a new game in the same vein of Necromuda or Battlefleet Gothic, that's not the argument even remotely. Creative Assembly allow mods.These are the rules Mods must not include third-party copyrighted material (e.g., other games' assets, music)Warhammer 30k is not a third party, no third party assets would be required to mod 40k to 30k. Colour scheme changes for Space Marines, that's it. That would be enough. There it's done. How is that third party copyrighted when it's the same company that has given the I.P. I'll go further and say if they don't allow specific 30k Legions because of 'copy-right' there are enough Chaos Space Marine chapters and Loyalist Chapters in 40k to have a smaller scale 30k setting mod without having to change a single thing. >Mods should respect IP (Total War + any licensed content like Warhammer)No problems there>Total War>Assembly Kit + Workshop + Mod Manager>Very encouraged
>>740558975Still a femcel virgin
>>740551981>takes place on armageddondarn, I really wanted best faction to be in
Why must warhammer be popular NOW that it is botched, fucked and enshitified to the maximum possible level?Why couldn't it be 2010 or earlier? I was ahead of the curve and now it's diluted to shit for normgroids and the lore is a fuck....
>>740576174isn't it popular now because it has been diluted and therefore made "acceptable"? I also bet it's tied to the Marvel fatigue yet people need their yummy yummy universe
>>740576174Probably because older millenials are the only ones with disposable income to keep buying the overpriced miniatures.
>>740576174Warhammer was popular back then as well.40k is the most popular wargame and one of the most popular tabletop games in the world.This didn't just happen the last few years.
>>74057556430K is its own game, therefore it's own license. GWs and CA don't really gear if you give Miao Ying big tits or use mods to mess up gameplay. But I would be very surprise is GWs don't force CA to put their foot down if people starting trying to get free Total War 30K without paying up. They won't be able to stop mods, but they can probably stop them from being hosted on various sites including Steam Workshop.
>>740576632>30K is its own game, therefore it's own licenseIt's not.
>>740555294I'm fine with Cathay in general. Have played enough of them as the dragons. The furriest though, that's a no. No desire to get that dlc at all.
>>740576174Nu-Marines are so fucking gay. They massacred my Dreadnaughts. Generic mech suits instead of walking coffins. They literally and figuratively sanded the edges off.
Man, it's good that I landed a good job recently to get a new PC so I can play this shit completely maxed and smooth. Probably one of the few games that I'm excited to play.
>>740577043first CA?
>>740574086>the same way they banned all the Sigmar and Lotr modsI don't think anyone even wanted to make AoS mods for TWW. But the LotR ban is specifically due to the license agreement GW made back when they got the rights to do the LotR tabletop game stuff. They can't let the two IPs interact under that agreement, and it even went so far that when people came in store to buy stuff they couldn't talk about WHFB at all if the person asked about LotR. Hence why the Helm's Deep map for TWW got nuked so quick along with a warning never to do such a thing again or it would mean pulling support for mods entirely. Because it was a potential legal issue for GW.
>They'll get it right THIIIIIS time!
>>740576174>Why must warhammer be popular NOW that it is botched, fucked and enshitified to the maximum possible level?Because modern entertainment is completely fucking botched, stagnant, and completely fucking barren right now. Warhammer is probably the only thing with soul, even with trooners trying to muscle their way into the hobby after seeing a good chud thing.
>>740576337I'm a millenial you bigbrain and I'm not buying shit from that gay ass company
I do get the feeling this is make or break for CA. 2023-2024 was their worst period by far. The Hyenas disaster. The utter flop that was Pharoah. The content fumble, increasingly unfixed bugs and lack of communication turned even fans of TWW3 against them. I do feel like they're going at 40k with the "we need to get this right or we're fucked" mentality.
>>740577146for me it's mythological "nazi" figure they use, as if anyone EVER said "oh yeah I sure do love the imperium we need the same irl"
The whole thing is a minimal viable product again, and the allegations that are basically considerably facts by now, that CA is just modding Rome 2, are still in full swing. The whole shitshow we had last year should have been the waking call to finally innovate and upgrade, and yet here are people that foam at the mouth at the idea of a 40k mod for TWWH3.This is just one aspect of the monument to mediocrity they are building.What we saw yesterday:Line-battle-style infantry like it's Napoleon,2000-man armies with a roughly 4000-men max per faction per battle, no size increase since Rome 1.No smart positioning or squad-based units.No trench digging, no temporary barricades — preplaced defensive lines and static on-map cover.No word on space warfare whatsoever, not even a glimpse of it on the campaign map.Single-biome planets.No clear design goal between lore vs. tabletop.Armageddon as the centerpiece also conveniently while GW is trying to sell new plastic for this setting, and we did not see a glimpse of the Steel Legion yet, all Cadians all over the galaxy.At least the interface looks better now.And we seemingly can deploy 6 units as reserves from orbit. Still 40 unit cards max.
>>740576484I'm into warhammer since early 2000s it was nowhere close to how popular it is now, it was still a niche nerd miniature hobby
>>740577315> lack of communicationwell when they communicated a Bartolomeo fellow told us we either buy Shadows of Change or they pull the plug haha>>740577350wait the new engine isn't used here, it's still Rome 2/TTW 1???
>>740577315All they have to do is not fuck it up completely and the normoids will flock to the game and ensure that they are swimming in cash for the next 10+ years.
>>740577381that's the question that shall be answered at launch: do they 100% rely on the setting's appeal or did they work a tiny bit on the engine. I'm not sure all hands are on deck for Med3 and the dlc team is in charge of TW3
>>740577379Med 3 is a new engine. No way the risk a new engine on 40K though; Empire and Rome 2 were disasters.
>>740577379>>74057747340k TW is on the new Warcore engine. I have no idea where this dude is getting the idea that it's another iteration of the WH (warscape fork) engine.
>>740577379>wait the new engine isn't used here, it's still Rome 2/TTW 1???It's the new engine. Anyone that played even a little bit of TW until now can see that the difference is night and day.
>>740577379>>740577473>>740577614This isn't a "new" engine, it's the same approach they took with their games.They reworked parts of their old Warscape engine, built new renderers, and reused as much as possible so they can present new shiny tricks like destruction and graphics while they retained their old decrepit shitpile to save on time and money, while the parts that reach 99% of the audience look new.Who the hell in their right mind believes otherwise based on the shit CA pulled in past years anyways?And why the hell does it even matter?! They are just redoing the same old shit again, even with a new engine. They won't even do space combat/warfare with this, so why even discuss this? It's second nature until they innovate on their ass-old formula.
>>740577314Same, I'm 31 and I balk at the prices. I don't think teenagers are getting into this shit.
>>740577381>All they have to do is not fuck it up completelyYou're giving CA too much credit.
>>740577901New starter box was 500aud hereTeenagers aint getting into this shit at alldoesn't help that any and every little thing gets scalped nowadays
>>740577879What do you think engine upgrades and children are?
>>740551981>console total warKill yourself.
>>740577350>and we did not see a glimpse of the Steel Legion yet, all Cadians all over the galaxy.They're axing the Steel Legion.>Did you forget the Steel Legion?>A few of you have commented already, asking about the Armageddon Steel Legion.>Armageddon has been at war for generations now, and the world’s original Steel Legion defenders have been worn down to a fraction of their original strength. There are still plenty of them about, though they now represent just a fraction of the expansive Astra Militarum forces deployed across the world, supplemented by regiments from every corner of the Imperium.
>>740577970Fuck that engine talk, the end result is still a Rome 2 40k mod, and until this won't change, they can fucking jump to UE5 and it won't matter.
>>740578076So GW is axing them because they don't want to make molds for a niche faction, but that doesn't mean they can't be modeled in a computer game. So this is basically a payable ad for GW minis then? They won't even hide it anymore? Is there any good in this whole fucking IP anymore, run by imbeciles and monkeys?
>>740578035I forgot about this, well this explains nearly everything then.>It's DOA
>>740578229>So GW is axing them because they don't want to make molds for a niche factionBecause they're more chudcoded than safe-edgy Krieg. The lore excuse is the worst because Armageddon has been one of the most famous hiveworlds in the setting and we're supposed to believe that potentially tens of billions of Steel Legion IG regiments- not counting the PDF- have been whittled away to where Cadians are now replacing them on the field.>So this is basically a payable ad for GW minis then? They won't even hide it anymore? Is there any good in this whole fucking IP anymore, run by imbeciles and monkeys?Correct. I'm becoming more and more disillusioned with Warhammer with every year.
>>740578115>and until this won't changeThis man is actually seething mad. An OG rome 2 hater, one of the old guard.Kinda majestic in a sad way.Shine on you crazy diamond.
>>740578330*tens of billions of guardsmen in Steel Legion IG regiments.If they wanted to squat the Steel Legion range they shouldn't've made Armageddon the centerpiece of 11th edition.
>>740559465>>740558816You have meta progression system which ties your campaigns together. Like in AoW Planetfall and AoW4Campaigns are both premade and 4x style generated ones>>740564865>>740565002>>740571609>>740572081They outright confirmed there are no Space Battles for now and won't be at release. Battlefleet Gothic IP is not an issue, just like there was no legal issue with Naval Battles in TWW.They said they can add it later if there will be a demand for it
>>740575053>It's not a separate entity unlike Age of Sigmar and Lotrs compared to Warhammer Fantasy.Nigga AoS and WFB have the same relation as HH and 40k, except flip prequel to sequel
>>740578330>I'm becoming more and more disillusioned with Warhammer with every year.Me too, brother. Me too.
>>740578405>You have meta progression system which ties your campaigns together. Like in AoW Planetfall and AoW4uh, explains one of the new landmark which carries over your campaign
>>740578442am from so many franchise which told me I wasn't the target anymore I just make my own canon
>>740578405>They said they can add it later if there will be a demand for itI'm not holding my breath.
>>740578410Wrong. HH is based on 7th edition WH40k and is treated as a spin/ prequel to 40k. It's not in the same vein even remotely as AoS is to WFB.They're legally not separate entities.
>>740578353I like Rome 2, but we had this whole revelation that CA is basically slopping around making Rome 2 mods since then, and they get shittier and lazier with each iteration. It's like the Ship of Theseus, but instead of wood they use dried goat dung as planks without touching the sails.
>>740553378i played Soulstorm daily with friends, couldn't get enough of it, #2 was absolute dogshit and me and my friends all felt insulted, still play Soulstorm.
>>740578534I can't wait for space marine bolters to feel less impactful than Shogun 2 Line Infantry.
>>740578489The whole industries and hobby market are in fucking shambles.We basically demand old crap as we remember it fondly, and objectively it seems older products were better.And on the other hand, we want innovation and progress, something new.These two demands cancel each other out, leaving only the shit and bottom-feeder concepts left to pick.Paired with economic demands that growth must happen at any cost, cutting corners is easier than banking on risk.So we will get constant nostalgia bait paired with lackluster innovation until we are fed up and leave and the whole market segment crashes and burns.I hope this for video games and the tabletops.Their greed and sloth can't be left unpunished.
3k was good
>>740553408>200milThey could have spent that on actual video games like medieval3
>>740578813I am insanely racist against the chinks so I wouldn't know.
>>740555439basically free compared to the IP it's based on
>>740578749>inb4 "mods will fix this">We will even get mods.At this point, I'm even in doubt we get mods if CA refuses to make Steel Legion for Armageddon.But that's pears and apples.What we saw yesterday is just a shitshow that won't allow for a "realistic" feeling of ranged weapons, and orks are just mulching over a firing line like there is none at all.
>>740577315What I want to know is why GW have both this and DoW 4 coming out around roughly the same time. Won’t that cannibalise each game’s sales? After CA’s ‘fuck the fans’ attitude with Shadows of Change back in late 2023 I’d take DoW 4 over this shit.
>>740578813>>740578897What the fuck even are these two posts?
>>740579032the RTS and total war fanbase are only slightly overlapped
>>740578942Yeah, I really doubt this game will be mod friendly, despite what they may have said. I fully expect them to be making every single space marine chapter/ork klan/eldar craftworld/IG regiment into DLC packs. And of course the other factions like Chaos Marines or Tau with all of their own subfactions to milk.40K TW's monetization will make WHTW look tame in comparison.
>>740579096>1000 chapters DLCs
>>7405790743k = Three Kingdoms Total War.>>740579032DOW4 is probably gonna flop just like 3 did so I doubt it'll be much competition. Relic looks like they've learned nothing from the mistake of DOW3's dogshit art direction.
>>740579074>3kThree Kingdoms.The idea was that CA could wring the chinks out of their rice money, which expectedly failed spectacularly.In addition, it had some neat ideas for army composition, the first innovation on that field ever. It could have been a neat idea for 40k to adapt the system and increase army and unit composition meaningfully, but we are back at the ass-old Rome 1 system again.
>>7405790743K like stands for Total War Three (3) Kingdoms (K).Likely supported by the reply being racist towards chinks.
>>740556019Emperors Children at 12 is Impressive considering they only came out on Table top Last year
>>740579032September 2026 is when Dawn of War is coming out, there's been no final iron clad release date for TotalWar40k only that it's releasing in 2027 and the speculation is, it'll release on the 40th anniversary of WH40K which will be September of 2027 and if that's the case then there'll be a year between game releases which does track with how these companies typically operate by staggering releases so they don't overlap.
>>740578942I am of the mindset that if you rely on mods to patch up bugs or make the overall base game prettier instead of just having them add in fan made fun stuff that the devs wouldn't have added, then that's a negative mark on the game and the devs.
>>740579182>which expectedly failed spectacularly.They up and abandoned support for it out of nowhere. I don't think sales were particularly bad either.
>>740579096t could be even funnier than this:12 Ultramarine DLCs in a row. Like GW intended.
>>740555294People have been asking for Boris as a FLC lord because he's already been in the fucking game since TWW1.
>>740579143>>740579182>>740579185Ah ok, thanks for the clarification Anons. Yeah that one completely missed by I'm not really interested in the Chinese wars for some reason, they don't inspire my imagination like the Europeans with the Romans and Medieval periods or even the Japanese and Shogunate. I don't get it really why the Chinese don't do anything for me, I think it's probably just too alien a culture for me to relate to.
>>740579236>They up and abandoned support for it out of nowhere. >I don't think sales were particularly bad either.Pick one.
>>740556254>Death Guard being that fucking high is a big surprise for meThey've been a meta pick for quite a while and seem to avoid nerfs that other factions get when they hit the top tables so regularly.
>>740579303I like imperial chinese history but the three kingdoms period does absolutely nothing for me. Had zero interest in 3K because of it.>>740579281Red Duke too.
>>740579182>>740579236The initial release sales were actually incredibly good. What drove players away though were the poorly thought out DLCs, none of which had were on the actual Three Kingdoms time period, instead being around the fights either before or after it. The base game never actually got to main period when the actual three were fully formed either.
I will not fall prey to either the marketer or the hater.I will stay cautiously optimistic.
>>740579261Marneus Calgar is every space marine's spiritual liege, so every chapter is Ultramarines at heart.
>>740579356Wouldn't be surprised if they throw a half-assed Duke in as one of the 4 lords in the Nagash DLC as well, it'd be par for the course for CA these days.Can't remember who the Vamp Counts LH is going to be but it should have been Konrad.
I remember when companies at least *tried* not to look like their viral marketing posts were viral marketing. Oh gee whiz, it looks "so fucking good!!!!!!" all caps. Just jesus fucking christ. There's no hope anymore is there. There's just no point in even trying. We're genuinely at the point where the internet would be a better place with absolutely no anonymity.
I can't wait to front flip into the enemy army with gabriel angelos. Blobbing them up around him and having my stack of 19 tac marines shoot into the blob (not primaris marines because they cost 5 more gold in upkeep. It's not worth it)
Inevitable 1:These guys will be DLC. Probably one of the first.Inevitable 2:There will be female troops in their ranks, hell probably 40k equivalent to lords and heroes will probably be filled with them.
>>740579539I'm just glad most people here seem to have pretty realistic expectations instead of spamming stale 20 year old memes about heresy.
>>740570380tbf that's not on CA, GW is now forcing this retcon on developers and I'm expecting to see it look the same in all future 40k games, I think even the new Rogue Trader DLC has the shitty star wars laser bullets
>click on Imperial Guard unit>female screechingBravo TCAL
>>740579582>tac marinesexcuse me they're called PRIMARIS INTERCESSORS please respect the trademark pronouns of the small indie company.I really doubt they'll include the """"firstborn""""
>>740556019>Death Guard in the top 5I'm happy to see it since they've been my boys since back in 3rd ed I stopped playing at the tail end of 5th but I can't stand to see how flanderized they've become, just like every faction nowadays.>thenPlague Marines, Lord w/Mark of Nurgle, Blight Grenades (optional)>nowPLAGUEGUARD BILESPEWERS BLOATDRONES BLIGHT LAUNCHERS POXWALKERS LORD OF CONTAGION MALIGNANT PLAGUECASTERS
>>740551981>looks like dow clone>even has victory point rts condition convinces me why i should play this slop instead of the already successful DOW remake with unification?
They are coming right? I mean they're the dwarves. You can't have a fantasy game with elves without dwarves, even if it's in space!
>>740579661They're just screeching that you're not calling them the Atari Millipedeum
>>740579747>even has victory point rts conditionMuch like any Total War game out there.
>>740579661be weird if you clicked them and got male screeching.
>>740579770They will never get me to like these. The genestealer cult shit was cool but I really do not like the nasapunk/starcraft 2 design of a lot of their units.
>>740579770Coming it like 7 years. Bro we dont even have fucking Necron and Nids yet
>>740559507>>740559742>>740560135>>740560853Games Workshop needs to appeal to its famously large female fanbase.
>>740579384Fuck off Matt
>>740579770TEN YEARS WORTH OF DLC'sHOW PATIENT ARE YOU!?
>>740578751I think Blanche dying was kind of the symbolic end of it all, the last of the "old guard" who could have ever come back to have some kind of input on the games universe.
>>740579608I can't stand Custodes. Dumbest fucking idea for a playable army.>what if the guys whose sole job consists of "stand around the emperor so he doesn't get ganked" went off around the galaxy to punch tyranids and necrons
not playing until they add Chaos Dwarves
>>740579812>I want every game to play like siege mapsays no one ever in the entirety of total war franchise
>>740556254Outside of being an actual full armyDG art has so many areas you can go with>full zombie>fungus>flesh, tech body fusion>full on mouths and tentacles>just bloated ass CSMAlso each Plague Marine Sculpt is a work of art. Easy to paint but the skill level is immense, each one has dozens of little details like tentacles, bugs and maggots on them
>>740579303Mainly because of Mao's Cultural Revolution, the history of it to me seems barely true and overall uninteresting to me. Motivations, scale, and story are so foreign and primitive on the same level that I cannot see any merit in them. They lack any concept of things graspable. But mainly because I think all of it is just fairy tale due to heavy destruction of evidence and denial of history all along from the Chinese people/government.And CA is, in admission, supporting these systems by feeding their delusions.
>>740553408>JOIN THE -ACKkek
>>740579941Blame the forge world guys for that.
I wonder if it will inherit the current TWW3 bug where the AI just stops functioning after turn 30
>>740579940It really went to shit when Alan Bligh died.
>>740579747Okay but does it have THE BANEBLAAAAAAADEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK5-uE5JFg
>>740579384>>740579885
>>740580112I bet you most people who have hundreds of hours in these games and buy every DLC pack only do 30 turns per faction.The lategame in a TW hasn't been fun since Fall of the Samurai.
>>740580125Anon there's a Baneblade right there in that screenshot
>>740580125yes, unification has it
>>740580112>>740580201funny that this was one of the things that came up in their show and tell for the wh3 segment... 10 years and they still haven't fixed the ai..
I have a space marine fatigue (for years now) Can we have anything else
>>740580263buy smegma games so we can get a smegma total war..
>>740579747>>even has victory point rts conditionWhere?I don't see it on that picture.
>>740579885Search your feelings, battle brother, you know it to be true.
>>740579770Yes and here's howhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTYpKlIc_fg
>>740580263buy other armies lol
>>740580325the top middle bar, go see a doctor
>>740556019Bought Combat Patrol of Astra Miliatrum after my second son was born.That was ~2 years ago and I only managed to put them together and paint like 2. Hopefully shit will ease up soon and I'll get to make my dream AM army.
>>740579940In hindsight, one could argue that the WH IP is already pretty grimdark if you look outside the universe at how it's handled. They always say "in the grimdark future", and we are in it. It's just not the grimdark we like. It's a hyper-capitalistic corpo-slop world where minimal effort kills things that are loved and thought out, to make everyone who truly was involved in seeing it grow up a miserable cunt who hates it now. Pretty grimdark, if you ask me.
>>740580209Oh, you're right anon. I just wanted to post the video
>>7405802433's AI is even worse than 2's. 2 actually could put together some armies and use them in coordination. They don't even build walls..The AI really must have no idea what to do with all the feature creep.
>>740579883The funny thing about this picture it's in London right? A place that is 36% White British and yet not only do I see not a single woman (I looked very extensively) I can only see a single black guy
>>74058041440k is not capitalistic lmao
>>740580398>Astra Militarum>AMJust say Imperial Guard. It's cleaner.
>>740572603I got in during the oldcron era, but my 14yo self's thinking process was "C'Tan are the strongest, even regular necrons are godlike, say no more". I ended up regretting it they're boring to paint and the transparent gauss guns looked gay.
>>740580201because nobody has fixed the 4x problem of>first 30-40 turns are five times as important as the last 100 but also feature a tenth the number of discreet decisions being made so they flow fast
>>740580503ok
>>740580325Oh that must mean Rome Total War has an RTS victory condition.
>>740551981>IT>LOOKS>SO>FuCKING GOOOD!!!!!!Holy shit if you say so.
>>740580201The most fun I've had recently playing TWW3 was an Arbaal the Undefeated campaign and he's a FLC lord (I don't have the Khorne DLC because Skulltaker's a fag and the units are lame)>teleport around the map beating up other lords>tear shit up for a while before getting bored and teleport somewhere else to repeat>after a few turns the lord I just wrecked offers to pay me so that I don't come back and do it again>khorne blood-o-meter is perpetually maxed so I'm getting max regen on my entire army every turn, even in enemy territory>only have a single province on the map>major campaign victory before I even knew it>never defeated in battleIt was pretty fun. Wish I could say the same for most other campaigns.
>>740580574it does look pretty cool
>>740564984They all have different rules and playstyles
>>740580571>>740580389
>>740580485You don't understated the nature of my argument buddy.My core points are not about the contents of 40k, but the reality of how GW handles the 40k IP. Pretty grimdark if you like(ed) 40k.
>shitty lasguns>primarisI might just have to main Ork in this game, bros. They keep fucking with my beloved humies.
>>740580571ALL ROME WILL BE AMAZED AT SUCH A LAZY REMAKE
>>740580389You've not played a Total War game before have you? See here>>740580571
You niggas are never happy.Shogun II was greatRome 2 was shitAll the Warhammer games have been from ok to great
>>740580389Look Anon, Shogun 1 has the bar too! OH MAH GAWD IT WAS AN RTS ALL ALONG!
Attila is underrated
>>740580658>>740580709>>740580798it's gonna be siege map where you have to do tower defense like in wh3, slit your throat shill
>>740580571What do these look like to you?
Another one for you stupid nigger.Don't be obtuse with the balance of power bar. There's obvious capture points.
>>740580534I remember thinking the original late 2nd ed 'cron minis were okay, even if they were a little goofy (everything was, it was 2nd ed) but the Lego-esque plastic tubes they added for the 3rd ed minis and onward were fucking stupid.
>The planet broke before the Militarum did.
>>740580842Well yes, I would expect the game to have siege maps with fixed defences. Shouldn't it have them?
>>740580847Marvel Space Laserstbf i think at least we get some sort of diverse gameplay with it and not always "Hammer and Anvil".
>>740580907
>>740580920every one hate siege since the dawn of age you tourist because TCAL cant into pathfinding, thanks for outting yourself
>>740551981>showcase it's only ork shit
>>740580928>tbf i think at least we get some sort of diverse gameplay with it and not always "Hammer and Anvil".Why do you even play these games? Just for flashing lights? Want me to jingle some keys for you?The whole point of these games is an exercise in tactics. The games have gotten less tactical with each iteration. AI hasn't been able to handle capture points since they were implemented in Rome 2.
>>740580842You've never played a Total War game before and tried to moan about something that didn't exist. >T-the bar! You silly wanker, it's called the Balance of Power bar, or Balance of Power indicator)Here for you telling you what it exactly is and not what you think it is>The bar shifts as units rout, take casualties, or as the battle dynamics change (e.g., flanking, morale breaks, reinforcements).>It gives a quick overview of who's "winning" the battle at that moment based on factors like troop numbers, unit quality, morale, and positioning
its very hard t care about the game knowing it will need a minimum 1 year of DLC to actually feel remotely completeonly 4 factions is insulting
>>740580970u rigt game sux CA is so baddd xDI'm sorry, I didn't know the caliber of person I was arguing with. Reply to this so you get the last word and consider the argument won.
I can already tell the AI is NOT going to be able to handle ranged-heavy armies. Be prepared for AI Guard to blob up and half their units won't even shoot you.
>>740580374No mr workshop, I don't think I will buy anything
>>740581096pretty sure they are good in TTW3 to find the small angle where they can actually shoot you
>>740581090Enjoy the pathfinding fuckery in wh40k because obviously you've never play siege manually since medieval 2. Me? I will stay in dow
>>740581084They got away with it in WH1 and the stupid cows bought the Day 1 DLC Warriors of Chaos faction that was borderline unplayable on release because Hordes grew at a snails pace.
>click Tempestus Scions>IRON HAIL GUNNERSSmall family company
>>740581090Lol he just had to get the last word in. How in the fuck did he not know what the bar in the battle maps was for as well if he's played Total War before?
>>740580993I'm completely on your side.My issue is that in recent years, even in Shogun 2, the game sooner or later always devolves to simple hammer-and-anvil tactics. The only mix-up are sieges, and they suck because the game seems heavily balanced around this basic playbook tactic.Having capture points demands the abandonment of hammer-and-anvil to spread forces and focus on these instead of waiting until AI is stuck in the anvil and dies to damage dealers.Another front to this debate truly is: Will AI be able to handle capture points?
>>740581096>I can already tell the AI is NOT going to be able to [LITERALLY ANYTHING]Correct. We have decades of history that prove this. That Creative Assembly's AI is fucking terrible.
>>740581203>click space marine>THE NATION CALLS1billion franchise btw
>>740579582
>>740581203Hehehe
>>740581221>simple hammer-and-anvil tacticspreferable to anything in WHTW where your Legendary Lord can go solo the entire enemy army after turn 60. Shogun 2's AI was far smarter than anything that came out after it.
>>740581221The "problem", if you can even call it that, is that hammer and anvil is THE way to do formation warfare.The same way that fire superiority and flanking is THE way to represent maneuver warfare for modern combat for example.Like how can they fix it when that's just how it is?
>>740579941>>740580091Nah it's Wards fault for basically killing the Gray Knights. The Custodes took over the niche of being the super special even more elite than regular marines.
>>740581050>tried to moan about something that didn't exist.i hope you misquoted
>>740581221>>740581391I think they're going to have to think slightly outside the box for wh40k because most if not all units in this game are ranged and not like Empire Total War ranged, where it's still slow paced, but it's fast paced, automatic weaponry, large explosive and flame weaponry, heavy armour e.t.c.You can sit back and blast your enemy and they can sit back and blast you so to me the solution here is very obviously focus points on a map to force your armies out of sitting back and firing, a choke point or strategic asset to capture.If it's RTS then so be it, think of the Battle of Waterloo where the Farmhouse, The Château d'Hougoumont was a pivotal asset for both the French and British armies that both fought intensely to capture while their main armies still fought around it. There are plenty of moments like that in our own historical periods, so honestly speaking it's more unrealistic to not have 'strategic points' to capture and hold in a battle.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3738018566did someone test it
>>740579747>>even has victory point rts conditionNot only has TW always played like that, that's literally how the tabletop is played as well
>>740581391You LL is just another Hammer or both if you cheese to the max.>>740581416Overall, to give the AI more tools and sense:I'm not a designer, and my ideas aren't claiming any completeness or final solution, but my suggestion would be to give the AI the capabilities to not run headless into an anvil and be smacked senseless with the hammer. The AI should put their units in direct opposition to the player and counter strategies accordingly, for example spreading forces and creating favorable positions. H&A, for example, falls apart as soon as the AI gets told not to senselessly charge the anvil at every possible opportunity.It could simply start by baiting the anvil, exposing the artillery flanking it, and retreat again.
>>740581493At least Gray Knights had the niche of>are you playing Chaos? not anymore you're notwhile Custodes are just great at everything, it's tiresome.
>>740581635You dumb fuck. You're so stupid it hurts. That's not single player is it? That's not a single player battle map against an a.i. The like for like comparison from the Total War Warhammer 40k screen shot is a single player campaign battle map. So you show a multiplayer battle map. Do you understand what you've done wrong here?
So this looks like a reskin of WH fantasy, like a mod overhaul. Will M3 be the real next gen total war game?
>>740581709Yeah, prior to the Wardening Daemonhunters were genuinely nice, Gray Knights filled the elitest niche without being too over the top, and Custodes had a nice place in the background lore. It's all gotten a bit silly since then.
>>740581729>IT DOESN'T EXIST>we-well it does exist but its just for MPfags!what happens when i post the siege rework maps next?
>>740581649>but it's fast paced, automatic weaponry, large explosive and flame weaponry, heavy armour e.t.cHave you seen how bad the artillery and weapon teams are in WHTW?The Basilisk will target the gretchin on the far left of the perfectly organized stack and knock off 180 HP from it's 10000 HP bar. The time to kill is either going to be super cartoony like Dawn of War 3 where marines are paper thin and die instantly to some Ork boyz or it'll be as janky as in WHTW where 2 spreadsheets blob into eachother and whichever modifier is highest wins.Notice how little of the actual combat you see in the gameplay footage or the damage being done to unit healthbars.
>>740580847>>740580892Nigger Total War games always had capture points, like during city battles, and they just give your army a buff.You stupid cattle retarded gorilla nigger with room temperature IQ
>>740581649They won't. We will basically see Napoleon-style line battles if there isn't any sort of temporary cover or a dynamic trench system.In addition, they will heavily favor melee units just like in the tabletop. It's easier than thinking about systems and the plausibility of modern combat. Just put 50% melee units into the game and see how, on paper, tactical and drawn-out ranged battles devolve into a primitive, senseless brawl.We already got that in the preview yesterday. Guardsmen get sent into wall-like positions to take cover, orks just roflstomp over them, no trenches, no spreading out in smaller tactical units, no fortified heavy positions. It's basically Napoleon, but even in Napoleon we had temporary defenses like trenches and spikes. This is, again, degradation of the formula.
>>740581836read the reply chain instead of acting like you know it all downie
>>740581803>Do you understand what you've done wrongNo you don't understand. I showed you an apple from England, you showed me an orange from Israel when I asked you for an apple. Do you understand the concept of 'like-for-like' comparisons? The information we're taking here is from that screen-shot from Warhammer 40k and you're showing something that is not a comparison to the game mode on display from the 40k screenshot. Are you ESL? I want to know why your educational standard is so low that you don't understand such a basic logic concept as 'consistency'.
>>740581836You are a retarded coon or intentionally disingenuous if you think Rome 2 and onward's capture points are the same as taking the city square in Rome 1/Med 2.
>>740581923Wonder if you'll at least be able to occupy buildings like in Empire and Napoopan.
>>740580398this nigga is built like a fridge with tiny t-rex arms
>>740581923The solution would be like I said in >>740581816to improve the time-to-kill with ranged weapons. A bullet should not take off a chunk of a health bar, it should turn an Ork boy or Guardsman into chunks like a bullet from a Line Infantry in Fall of the Samurai will instantly kill a Spear Levy or another Line Infantry.Because the way the units aren't individual models though it won't work and you'll just be chipping away at a health bar until models arbitrarily start dying.
>>740582029it's ai slop
>>740581791Everything's gotten so insanely flanderized since the glory days of 2nd-4th ed. Space Wolves are the perfect barometer for it.>norse names, occasional wolf pelt/beards on the minis, "shut up it's not a tactical squad they're grey hunters" "lol okay ragnar whatever you say">to unironic WOLFKING KINGWOLF OF THE SPACE WOLVES RIDING A SPACE CHARIOT PULLED BY LITERAL SPACE WOLVES
>>740582070>A bullet should not take off a chunk of a health bar, it should turn an Ork boy or Guardsman into chunksWhile that would make more sense, it'd also completely invalidate any sort of unit hierarchy. Elite units would be utterly worthless, why send a unit of nobz in when the basic bitch guardsman can just pop its head off with a lasgun in an instant? Balance would devolve into something not even remotely fun and it wouldn't even fix the issue with large single entities dominating because you sure as shit ain't shooting down a Baneblade with lasguns or shoota boyz. Stats and variable time to kill are a necessary evil.
>>740582225Kislev might be Fantasy but it's a great example of this>BEARSBEARSBEARSICEBEARS
>>740582225The Space Wolves are particular egregious. How do you fuck up Space Vikings? It should be an easy slam dunk.
>>740582005In their map showcase, they teased guardsmen standing on a ruin but basically overlapping in formation. It's so stupid. Maybe they tried that but met the limitation of their "new" engine and scrapped it in favor of preplaced cover points on the map. Oh God, if they truly go down the route of preplaced cover points like shown yesterday, this whole endeavor is doomed from the start.>>740582070I agree, but they would need to up the system so that battlefields are realistically covered with cover. So charging senselessly is a last-resort option, or if you feel like you have the upper hand, or after a suppressive barrage.The whole idea of 40k TW would need such a heavy paradigm shift in theory, and we did not see any of it yet. It's like in my first statement: just a mod for Rome 2 still.And to be diplomatic about this, each unit has its own hit pool. If a unit is hit enough, it dies, but I forgot how that translates into the health bar we have now.
>>740582329The bear cavalry was silly enough, but if it was just that I'd be fine with it. But no, they had to go all in with bear sled chariots that generate magic ice underneath them so they can always be on ice, and cannons mounted on those same magic bear sleds, and a giant bear elemental, and please just fucking stop holy shit.
>>740582098I know the post chain you're replying to is a grok gen ai image, but just so Anons know GW itself has banned its staff from using ai art.https://www.ign.com/articles/warhammer-maker-games-workshop-bans-its-staff-from-using-ai-in-its-content-or-designs-says-none-of-its-senior-managers-are-currently-excited-about-the-tech
>>740582543I guarantee the only reason they're doing that is because if they do, then they can't copyright it.
>>740582098>>740582029It's official 11th edition Armageddon art from newsletter>>740581934>>740581968What the fuck are you even on about now?It's pretty obvious that it's not Dawn of War capture points why are you coping retards.
>>740582617Are you just pretending modern TW hasn't had a ticking down capture victory condition mode since rome 2 like Dawn of War or Company of Heroes has?
>>740582579Maybe...But I do think it might be something deeper, they've had an in-house art team since inception, as much as I like to shit on GW for their bad practices the one thing they've done right (until recently) was the importance of the emphasis they placed on the art setting the tone for WH40K (and the rest).I just can't imagine a.i. art being able to produce something as tonally imaginative as anything John Blanche touched, maybe on a technical level but not on an insightful human perspective.
>>740582729That's only been for siege battles, and it's had that since Rome 1. It's literally just "hold the town square to capture the city" shit, it's not like DoW/CoW at all.
>>740582729Partially true, but not entirely accurate. it's an oversimplification.Modern Total War games do have capture point mechanics that trigger ticking countdown victory timers in sieges.It's not as central or fluid as the constant ticket-bleed map control in Dawn of War or Company of Heroes. TW battles still focus more on routing the enemy army m8
>>740582928>>740582930it's gonna be like this you just know >>740581635
>>740583194this is multiplayer battle screenshot to force engagement not to let players camp in corners you fucking retard
>>740583396>it's le hecking MPare you seriously clinically medically mentally retarded? What would stop creative assembly from adding this in 40k SP gameplay?
>>740583462Because they released like 5 games since that was implemented and none of them had it you fucking clownfuck you wasting my time on you indian brainlet
>>740579582Watch me win the campaign by turn 10
>>740556019>Orks 9000>Genestealer cults 3500Go to a local club, there are always 2 orks and 1 GSC wtf is this chart?
>>740583728>anecdotes
>>740556019What faction is imperial agents?
>>740583614remember to stream you suicide live when they inevitable add it useful downie. 40k is literally different from every game before it because the battle happens in the planet so it's 100% siege map, not skirmish map like in FOTS or Napoleon/empire
>>740583728probably an aggregate of players in some tournaments database
>>740583831they made Inquisitors & Assassins into their own army, and they're terrible.
>>740583831Kill team models that don't fit into any faction or imperium free agents
>>740582617>It's official 11th edition Armageddon art from newsletter>AI slop on official newsletter grim
Carefully optimistic, but CA has bungled it too fucking hard too many times for me to get hyped.It's also going to run like absolute dogwater for years.
>>740572986>>740563969Both retards, you played campaign and didn't even tried multi-player? Opinion discarded
>>740583728>This average must be wrong because my local club has different ratio
>>740584072>games with grenade spam>fun multi-playerI don't need to try it to tell you it was not a fun time
>>740551981>going to run like shit>going to fuck your CPU up because it is incredibly poorly optimized>going to be vibecoded>going to be $89>going to have week 2 DLC>going to have monthly DLC releases>going to be $15-20 each for DLC>going to have only 5% of gameplay available on basegame, everything else locked behind DLCWho the fuck even buys these shitty games?
>>740556019>custodes choking to death between tau ass cheeks
>>740584210me
>>740576174This isnt true, you're more like the oldschool boomer thats claiming demons souls is better than dark souls on 2016 /v/
>>740584210>monthly DLC releasesCA has wet dreams about a world where they're capable of doing this.
>>740583931>>740584029Thanks bros
>>740584210Also designed for cucksoles
>>740583931There actually was rumors of a Codex: Imperial Agents due for release back in 2nd edition, and they had a list in the Army List mini-book that came with the 2nd ed box that was essentially just inquisitors, assassins, tech priests, psykers and all the other miscellaneous Imperial guys, but that was just a placeholder until stuff like Sisters of Battle and the Witchhunters/Daemonhunters codexes.The fact that they've gone back and done it unironically is all kinds of fucking stupid, especially since shit like the AdMech and Custodes have their own separate lists.
>>740578526AoS is just a spin/sequel to WFB 8e by your own logic. HH is made by a separate studio within the wider GW brand and the models aren't designed to be compatible as evident by straight up bans for using them in 40k tournamnets
>>740584317shut up newfag
>>740584339more like yearly dlc in 10 years lmao amirite?
>>740578076anon they announced that the steel legion are getting new minis a few months afterwards
>>740556019Honestly hilarious that they're pushing the Mechanicus on all fronts when they aren't even that popular
>>740579747Because total war is a better series than dawn of war?Dawn of war has only 1 good game, TW has like 8
>>740585706The steel legion may have been heavily featured in the trailer for Armageddon and they may have new minis releasing soon but I could completely ignore that and doompost instead
>>740564984Warhammer has just become a giant soap opera between different daddy issues primarchs and their stupid flavours and colours. It's a real shame. The imperial guard and orks and shit might as well not even exist.
>randomly placed chest high wallsLmao
>>740579975Kinda crazy there isn't plague zombie wh40k game. Endless waves of zombies to mow down with 40k weapons. Few elties here and there later on
>>740585898ESL sir..., I am asking you to convince me to choose only total war 40k or dow. I've played other total war
They can literally just drop Chaos Daemons anytime they want. They already have most of the models developedFucking Masque, Belakor and Skarbrand have bigger roles in 40k than Fantasy
>>740586052Someone should make a game where maybe like four players work together to fight an endless tide of darkness
>>740586140Oh, total war, for bigger battles, and the more in depth overworld
>>740586052Bro that's literally Darktide
>>740586205>big battleunification has it>in depth overworldpressing button to see buildings go up isn't deep brolol, no still sticking with dow
>>740586378Tw is also wayy more likely to have all 40k factions added, even votaan
>>740586378Oh and Tw will have naval combat aswell before long apparently
>>740569971>rome 2>goodIt felt absolutely lackluster to play. No force in charges whatsoever.
>>740586597Its probobly the best tw game besides shogun, especially if u use mods like Divide Et Impera
>>740585837That's mainly because they were shit in 10th edition and this is a tournament list
>>740586838Nta, but not when it came out and not until like 10 years after release.It's a good game now I agree. Not the best. Medieval 2 and warhammer 2 (not 3, 3 fucking sucks) are better imo.
>>740586838>still cannot disconnect troops from generalsIt's shit and always will be
>>740584735No, not at all. If you can't follow the previous posts it's because you're not reading the posts.
>>740587395>THE HORUS HERESY is a registered trademark (Registration #5526841) owned by Games Workshop Limited, a Nottingham based entity. The trademark was filed on 04 Jul 2017 with serial number (#79216062) and registered on 31 Jul 2018.Heil Hitler isn't legally the same shit as 40k
>>740587642You dumb fuck, read the comment chains, read the posts in this thread. Multiple times 'copyright' is what is being discussed, it's the same I.P. HH the TT game runs on an expanded version of 7th edition and in the lore itself it's classified as a prequel/spin-off but still directly related to 40K, it is not a separate entity as what happens in the HH is directly referential to 40k.AoS and Warhammer Fantasy are not set in the same Universe, they share elements, themes, e.t.c. but they are not comparable to HH and 40k which is the same Universe with the same characters defining the same events. You don't understand this because you didn't read.© Copyright Games Workshop Limited 2026. GW, Games Workshop, Citadel, White Dwarf, Space Marine, 40K, Warhammer, Warhammer 40,000, the ‘Aquila’ Double-headed Eagle logo, Warhammer Age of Sigmar, Battletome, Stormcast Eternals, and all associated logos, illustrations, images, names, creatures, races, vehicles, locations, weapons, characters, and the distinctive likenesses thereof, are either ® or ™, and/or © Games Workshop Limited, variably registered around the world. All Rights Reserved."
I can now get the coveted dream of big boobie Tau army
>CA>paying for DLC>especialyl those cut away from base game to sell as separateI pity the retards, the normalfags, since If the game is good enough, I'll pirate lc with unlockerthat way, I'm safe even if they go stellaris route aka breaking the game every major patch for no reason
>>740556083>what about total medieval 3?It still in pre production. They just announced they the started pre production. And all they are showing on dev streams is stuff behind the curtains of pre production like gdd snippets blockhouse concept art mechanics they are prototyping etc etc
>>740587948>AoS and Warhammer Fantasy are not set in the same UniverseNigga they literally do. You can find chunks of the wfb planets still around in aos after it got blown up, plus half the characters are the same people
>>740580904>the Lego-esque plastic tubes they added for the 3rd ed minis and onward were fucking stupid.I thought they're the coolest fucking thing in exsitence when I first saw them. I was 11 back then but still.
>>740587948>>740587642>>740587395>>740584735What the fuck is even the point of this argument? The question boils down to >would GW allow people to do for free something they might eventually sell for moneyIf you so much as touched 40k once in your life you know the answer is fuck no.
Can't wait for lazy implementation of some game mechanic and then get stuck for it for literally the next 10+ years.
>... just saying that if a Callidus Assassin has shapeshifted to look like an Eldar, then if you have sex with her, it doesn't count as having sex with a xenos, so it's completely legal, right?
>>740552205>no dark eldar footage
>Drukhari are not very popular>will probably have to wait at least two years for the dlc
>>740595086SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>740565002>>740572081>>740578405>>740573025https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2YXPtt3lUc>Josh: Do we have space battles?>Roger: Well, I'd say that is very, uh, lore appropriate. Do we have space battles... let me say this. Space battles is something that I want. Something that the teams want. Is it going to be there for launch? Maybe not. I think we got a lot of new stuff that we're working on that we're trying to get there, to get into the game. Maybe it makes it, maybe it doesn't. It will definitely be here eventually. The "when" is the big question.What is with this game and people talking out of their asses about certain stuff?
>>740596658sounds like a roundabout way to say "no"
>>740596658Sounds like a if we get them working in time for launch then yes but probably not.Don't know why he couldn't just say that but I'm not a PR guru.
>>740596658i'm sure if they can't do it for launch they'll do it much later when adding naval battles means adding 100 ships for 50 factions each all at once
>>740596658Space battles adds way too much problemsNot only does each fucking faction have unique looking ships you have to balance all that crap.
>lasguns shoot laserbolts instead of beams Someone needs to be shot for this.
>>740595086Shameful slop, but also it's well known assassins from Callidus shapeshift into genestealers for hot inquisitorial sex, or "playing with the hairy spider" as they call it
Might buy after they release Tau expansion. And mods fix the awful Stormsurge suit.
>>740595643>>740598000>noo you need to spend hours redrawing a meme image to suit a joke you will use once!
>>740598291it just looks bad, Anon
>>740551981>modern 40kIts trash
>>740592474You're arguing that HH is not connected to WH40K are you retarded? No really? What the fuck are you saying? They share a copyright for fuck sake how stupid are you?
>>740559890I bet this one will be even harder to mod
>>740599184It looks good enough for the intended use.
>>740551981who the fuck still plays Total War games are u a bot
>>740552127Last kino they made was Fall of the samurai. All the good devs have left the building a long time ago.
>>740552616DLC faction, undoubtedly.
>>740600547why is CC giving all those elf children to vulcan
It's going to be beyond buggy, I can feel it
>>740601031Feel this
>>740601031>New engineBugfest guaranteed. I'd bet good money on at least one major delay too.
>>740601031Just ask Cloode to fix the bugs
>>740551981>hyped for controller slop
>>740600994He burned the last batch.
>>740602056Well...what should I be hyped for?
>>740602608ricochet 2
>>740552127They make turds that takes them years to polish. Also the base game is barebones without dropping 200 bucks on DLC.
>start up total war campaign>enjoying the battles and upgrading tech and cities etc>suddenly hit a point where it just drags on and on>uninstall and then reinstall next year when I get the itch againI have never finished a campaign
>>740602575KISSING EACH AND EVERY MOLE ON LONGSHANKS-CHAN!
>>740556019Why the fuck are Dark Angels so high? God they're such a lame fucking Chapter.>HURR NOBODY CAN EVER KNOW OUR SUPER SHAMEFUL SECRET OF... WE HAD TRAITORS IN OUR LEGIONEVERYBODY HAD TRAITORS IN THEIR FUCKING LEGIONS IT CAME FREE WITH THE HORUS HERESY YOU CUNT
>>740603112ok but did you have fun?
It's in alpha so realistically when is this releasing? Delayed to 2027? There's no way it comes out this year
>>740576174>Why must warhammer be popular NOW that it is botched, fucked and enshitified to the maximum possible level?Because every other western nerdy franchise has been taken over by politically correct shit. Star Wars is the best example as that franchise is fucking dead that the new movie they made is making less money than some random horror movie.
>>740603112Try the multiplayer
>>740603218They were building up to something bigger like the current DA being traitors but switched back when emp won, but nuhammer thinks it has to explain everything instantly especially when its explanations are dull and boring
>>740560135Just buy from chang. He understands what the customers want.
>>740603218they're the super cool marines who have the best equipment and shit
>>740572603>I thought they dont like nuNecron?The Necron retcon happened twenty years, people got over it or weren't even around when it happened
>>740603251For the first several hours? Hell yeah nigga.>>740603346Playing this type of game with strangers seems like torture but partnering up with a friend or two to paint the map sounds fun if it can be done in an afternoon.
>>740563969Dawn of war 2 is a very good game, it just had not business bearing the dawn of war name. It's not what why fan of dow1 was expecting nor was it what they wanted
>>740603482This happens all the time, some sick as fuck implication happens to drop in our laps and GW shoots it down.>Bring back a fully uncorrupted Fulgrim via clone-fu who ends up in Trazyn's eternal dusty collection pit>Literally has Fulgrim's soul, the Emperor's Children who witness him break down in tears, realizing what they've become after seeing him>Bring out the Sons of the Phoenix, who share the color scheme of pre-heresy EmpChildren and an eerily similar Chapter icon, and are noted for kicking up showboaty spectactles in combat, and it's no secret Cawl used traitor geneseed in many of the Primaris>Nope, nothing's happening. Fulgrim is stuck eternally in the cum jar>The Sons of the Phoenix are just Imperial Fist successors
>>740603924They weren't shown if they have white long hair, the Black Templars are also Imperial Fists successors.
>>740603218>hooded knights with plasma weapons are lameyiff in hell>>740603924The sons of the Phoenix being labelled as Dorn's is clearly a coverup
>>740604951They're literally based on a gay poem by a fag author
>>740551981>two IPs that haven’t made a respectable game (tabletop or otherwise) in over a decade teaming up to milk autistic consoomers for another decade I will not be buying your game but I WILL be seething thank you very much.
