>>740552031
Nah that was fucking Horus and Erebus. Emperor fucked up too to be sure but it wasn't all on him as far as the human side. Eldar are the ones who royally fucked things for everyone though with the Slaneesh orgy which put Chaos into full swing

>>740554341
kill yourself

>>740552031
>eldar murderfuck a chaos god into existance fucking up the entire galaxy so bad all of humanity is cut off from each other and most die in the process
>also psykers are extra super corrupted and fuck shit up even more
All things considered he did the right thing the fact humanity is the dominant species in the galaxy in 40k is nothing short of a miracle

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>>740552031
>just allow the leftoid...I mean chaos demons corrupt and subvert everything bro
No sacrifice is too great. No treachery too small.

>>740552031
Chaos would come and fuck shit up regardless of what he did. How is that his fault?

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>>740552031
Elder lorefag here;

No OP, it was Magnus and Erebus' fault. Emperor dindu nuffin wrong. If he had told Perturabo, Horus or Magnus about the chaos gods and the ruinous powers, they'd have ignored his warnings and tried to master them, then become chaos-slave daemons anyway.

>emperor screwed up everything, mankind would be better off doing nothing.
If Emperor had sat on his arse and jerked off for eternity, mankind would have died out with a whimper after the end of the Age of Strife. The only space-faring humans would be the mechanicus, who would get rekt without support by necron uprisings and the Rangdans.

>making the primarchs was a huge mistake, he shouldn't have made them
If he hadn't had made the primarchs, they wouldn't have been able to beat like 5x different xeno factions without the emperor running around like a chicken with his head cutoff, the Orks and Rangdans in particular, forcing the great crusade to take 10x longer, and then it'd be pointless because then the emperor would have wound up perma-stuck on the golden throne after the crusade anyway, because no Magnus to trade places with.

Also making the primarchs was by a wide margin, the single most incredible feat of both psychic warp-mastery, and bioengineering in the history of the 40k universe. The Aeldari at their peak post-War in Heaven, couldn't have even dreamt of doing something similar, and they would if they could. At the very least, it was a massive flex and if you COULD do it, why wouldn't you?

Anymore stupid scenarios you wanna cook up, faggot OP?

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So what did we think about the Warhammer 40k total war PC gamer talk lads? Any thoughts?

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Heretics will look you dead in the eyes and say the empire is evil and then go home to get sodomzied by a guy who looks like this

>>740552031
Does the emperor actually make conscious decisions in 40k? Or is he just a dead puppet sitting on his throne rotting, doing nothing at all?

>>740555176
as long as creamapi works

>>740552031
sorry chud but chaos BAD
>humanity kills itself and gets WARPED anyway

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>>740555252
The Imperium is evil
Unfortunately for it, we are more evil.

>>740555348
He is at the very least keeping Chaos away somehow.
Not sure how conscious he is while doing that, though

>>740555252
Also Emps fault.

>>740555519
i wish the whole heretic path wasn't so half assed

>>740555519
Why do normal people keep joining chaos when it seems that the only people there having any fun are the corrupted marines?
Everyone else there is just canon fodder for sacrifices, rape and torture.

>>740552031
I wish the elder and imperium would work together. They would be able to destroy chaos if they united.

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>>740555348
It's better to think of the Emperor more as a plot device in the modern setting and not as a 'person'. He's interacted through proxies a couple of times in the modern setting to save his son Guilliman but that was not expected at all and he's spoken to Guilliman when Guilliman visited the Emperor on the Golden throne, the first time he had been able to do so in 10k years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwVyvWV__7U

But these are incredibly rare events, and in the latest 11th edition trailer where at the very end the Emperor has his eye open looking directly at us, no one really knows what it means other than the Emperor might be wanting to become more involved in the setting. Which is something he hasn't really done, like at all.
The point here I'm trying to make, he doesn't move, he can't move, he's mortally injured sustained only by the Golden Throne but he is a 'perpetual' a being that can never be truly killed, he can die and come back but the problem is if he dies the Astronomicom will go out and Chaos will flood Terra (Earth) plus he's been empowered by 10k years of faith (which does directly empower people in this setting) and it's feared if he dies and is reborn he will not be reborn as the Emperor, but as 'The Dark King' a new full God of the Warp.

Lots going on here I know, and I didn't really cover all of it.

>>740552031
Stop getting your lore from youtube shorts

>>740555348
He used to be completely inactive but recently he started becoming a character again.

>>740554384
fuck off space elf. You literally ruined the galaxy for everyone

>>740555665
>Spend 18 hours a day every day working a brutal factory job with a high chance of injury or death
>Go home, eat your rations made of corpses and bugs and sleep in you closet sized designated living area
>Never seen the sun in your entire life
>Half your family was drafted to Emperor knows where, you'll never see them again
>Your only friend was hunted for sport by upper-spire nobles
>This all you can expect from life. If you're lucky you'll make it to 40
>If you dare to complain you'll be executed on the spot
>Someone comes to you and offers you freedom and a way out
Gee I wonder why they would say yes?

>>740556549
>was drafted
Unlikely, people sign up in droves for the PDF and guard because its guaranteed food and a chance to get off their shithole world, they don't learn about the average lifespan until they're already committed and in front of a commissar

>>740556776
True, but either way from the perspective of the family of a guardsman they'll never see or hear from them again after they're shipped out, and probably won't even be informed when they're killed.

>>740555665
The old Word Bearers trilogy actually has a somewhat decent showing of this;
Most planets in the Imperium suck to live on, not from the Imperium actively but due to rampant bureaucratic neglect and/or incompetence. This leads to the inhabitants aspiring and conspiring to ovoerthrow the established planetary leadership. This can progress in many eays; Sometimes it's just normal rebels who think they need better leaders. Sometimes it's loyalist zealots who think their misfortune is their leadership's heresy. Other times it's malicious; Tau could be trying to turn the planet over to the Greater Good, Genestealers could be subverting the planet to bring in the Tyranids, Eldar could be duping the populace to cause trouble for the Imperium via proxy, and of course there's Chaos.
Many cultists don't realize just how bad Chaos is until their 'saviours' are tossing them into chain gangs and executing them for sport.
Chaos Cults for Khorne, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh can have humble or even benevolent beginnings, which quickly turn to shit when the Chaos worships starts in earnest. Nurgle on the other hand is just flat out evil in a petty way.
So most Chaos Cultists get duped into just becoming slaves to new masters, but stay loyal because they end up above the Loyalists who get enslaved and tortured.

>>740552031
>>740554742
>all of humanity is cut off from each other and most die in the process
Let's not exaggerate things here.
A lot of humans died in the process, but on the whole it barely moved the needle.
The fact that after the birth of a chaos god, a super soldier civil war, chaos whispering into their ears to convert, as well as attacks from the various xenos species, that humanity still numbers in the trillions with a military numbering in the billions to throw at any problem a whopping ten thousand years later shows that we were nowhere near close to being wiped out.

>>740552031
>>singlehandedly causes the near extinction of humanity
By not doing anything to stop the Eldar from spawning Slaanesh or getting the Human Federation from killing all Psykers on sight and not using AI?

Because humanity was almost dead by the time the Emperor started the Crusade. He brought humanity back from the brink.

>Craftworld Eldar were allied and even friendly with Humans at times, especially after the Fall and Age of Strife
>Craftworld Eldar hate Chaos even more than the Imperium does, and has the methods to defeat the Chaos Gods via the Eldar Gods
>Craftworld Eldar hold the methods to access the Webway, one of the Emperor's ultimate goals for Humanity
>The Emperor was personally trained in combat by an Eldar Autarch, meaning he had the methods and manners to contact them
>Instead of just allying with the Craftworld Eldar and curb-stomping all threats to establish a new age for both Humans and (good) Eldar, the Emperor declared war on them
But why?

>>740559013
Because he know once he beat Chaos, the Eldar would want to reclaim their empire and be a rival to his goals. The Webway is used by Eldar and he know they wouldn't be happy once humanity take over. Big E wants humanity to be the next psychic race to rule the galaxy and see the Eldar as an obstacles to that goal.

>>740552031
>>singlehandedly causes the near extinction of humanity
That was Chaos and Skynet, though.

Magnus is the one that fucked everything up.

>>740559771
Didn't the Skynet thing was partly Big E fault? Like he built the SCT to accelerate humanity colonization and it ended up biting humanity in the ass because no one know how to build anything without the help of AI due to the SCT.

>>740552031
If emps didn't do all he did humanity would be dead to Tau, Nids, Necrons, Orks, Eldar or dozens of lesser xenos sooner or later. Say thank you.

>>740555348
It is now a god with great power but also heavily fragmented and schzio, probably from the 10,000 years of soul torture or the result of millions of psykers having their souls sacrificed to "it".

>>740554341
Slaanesh wouldn't even have been the first one, Khorne or Tzeentch would have been. Given that war and psykey bs existed before Eldar bullshit did.

Also the fact that the galaxy is at eternal war with psyker energies, those two should be massively stronger than all the rest that it isn't even funny, especially Khorne.

>>740559859
Erebus knocked the major domino. Magnus was just an unwitting follow up fuck up in the chain in an effort to stop it

>>740552031
That was Magnus. He bad.

>>740552031
Man I love the big E, chaosfags, xenofags and women can suck my dick I love the Imperium of Mankind.

>>740559756
>the Eldar would want to reclaim their empire and be a rival to his goals.
The Eldar who, even before the Fall, were vehemently against what their Empire was doing and explicitly used the Craftworlds to depart from the Empire before realizing what was really going on?
Literally the only thing the Emperor would need to do is agree to not fuck with Maiden Worlds and the Eldar would be a-okay helping him

>>740560320
If Magnus hadn't had his colossal fuckup, the battle of terra wouldn't have been so pyrrhic and Big E probably wouldn't have gotten so fucked up.

>>740559859
No, Erebus
Literally every fuck up is traced to erebus first. Magnus was an especially big, arrogant piece of it, but there would've been no need for Magnus' hubris without Erebus setting the pieces up first.

>>740559013
Prior to the Great Crusade, he was OK with Xenos, provided they bent the knee.
The two problems are that it's much more certain to label all Xenos as dangerous than to get stabbed in the back, and that the Eldar would almost certainly never bend the knee, or even want to be seen as equals to Humanity.
Also, most of the Primarchs met Dark Eldar far more often than Craftworld or Exodite Eldar, and that's really a very bad first-impression.

>>740560297
Khorne, Tzneetch, and Nurgle were around but dormant in the warp. Slaneesh was the one who riled them up and made things go to turbo shit. The warp is only as fucked up as it is due to the whole War of Heaven shit.

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>>740560297
Anon the Eldar were responsible for the largest Warp Scar in the galaxy

>>740555079
How do you cope with the feminization of Warhammer?

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>>740560996
I need to see the fem-custodes without her armor.

>>740560696
Yes but again that shit only happened in the first place because of Erebus/Horus so I put more blame on them (Erebus in particular) than Magnus just trying to do what he thought was the right thing at the time.

>>740560958
>>740560982
I'm aware, the point is the Great Game is beyond stupid at this point given everything that has happened since. They're all just relatively equal or fuck/gang up on each other just to keep the status quo rather than Khorne just steamrolling everything. Same shit with the Necron/Tyranid dicking around against each other in the outer rims.

>>740560982
the drukhari and pre craftworlders were
the craftworlders literally tried to get out of dodge because they knew nothing good was happening

>>740560958
>Khorne, Tzneetch, and Nurgle were around but dormant
They were there, they just weren't near as powerful until the War in Heaven started popping off

>>740552031
Just like Trump

>>740561528
>they just weren't near as powerful until the War in Heaven started popping off
The War In Heaven was sixty million years ago, anon. It predates the Chaos Gods.
The Chaos Gods formed naturally over time after the damage the Necrons caused to the Warp by massacring the Old Ones, what held the Chaos Gods back for so long were the Eldar Gods. Because the Eldar Empire was lulled into decadence and complacency, they abandoned faith in their Gods which allowed the Chaos Gods to ascend.
Despite this, the Chaos Gids were fairly unordered and their forces were scatteres and disorganized. The only real Chaos-worshipping xenos encountered were the Laer, who were only in a single planetary system when the Great Crusade encountered them.
Chaos is only a large-scale problem now because the Horus Heresy handed the Gods several entire legions of Space Marines.

>>740556549
yes but unknowingly it's a fate far worse than the one you had, sure it might be slightly better for a time but it quickly devolves into you being physically spiritually and mentally raped to where your previous life as a literal who factory work seems like sunshine and rainbows
the grimderpness of 40k never allows happiness doubly so for faustian bargains
agri and feudal and pleasureworlds don't fucking @me

>>740561528
The Chaos God born after the War on Heaven. The Chaos Gods started out as just warp predators that eventually eat enough of one particular emotion that they became powerful enough to consolidate power in the warp. Eventually these entities eat each other and absorbing the losers domain (which is why Khorne is also the god of honor). The reason why Slaaneesh is particular bad for the stability of the Warp and cause the other gods to be more active is because Slaaneesh is the god of exceed, meaning the existence of Slaaneesh turned what already there in the Warp up to 11

Never forget Malice and how he was abandoned

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>>740561723
truuuuump!!!! guhhhh!!

>>740552031
Why is he wearing the same armor as President Trump in those pictures?

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>>740562249
Because he's the God Emperor.

>>740555348
He’s become a warp being like the Chaos Gods. As an individual he is barely holding on but he empowers his chosen champions(reviving Girlyman against Mortarion) and has basically his own equivalent to a daemon prince(Saint Celestine).

>>740552031
>He thinks a non-united humanity would have stood a chance against Orks, DEldar, Necrons when they eventually wake up or especially the Tyranids when they make it to the Galaxy.

>>740562082
>Living on a water world
>98.5% of the surface is covered by water
>Lots of fish, rice, and rain
>Sushi for breakfast and dinner
>Wet tee-shirt contests every day
>That's cool
>Not else happens, ever
>Until the alarms go off
>ORK INVASION INCOMING
>The few thousand people on the planet get ready for the worst
>The Ork dropships crash into the water
>They all drown
>Huh
>Imperial fleet arrives 6 months later, to save us
>Fuck all to save us from, guys
>They just take 25,000,000 liters of water and fly away
>Well alright then
>We got water to spare
>Back to fishin'
It's a simple life.

>>740554742
The most unbelievable part of 40k is that the galaxy remained so cohesive under the Imperium for over 10,000 years despite the primarchs and emperor himself being gone for the majority of this time (there's the astronomicon ofc) and there being like what, 200,000 space marine for a galaxy of untold billions?
It's a miracle humanity's remained so resilient despite being forced to use the shittiest equipment possible and having such a bullshit religion which somehow didn't collapse during all that time.

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>>740552031
Did the emperor create these?

>>740562620
There's a garden world that's explicitly this sans the ork invasion
the locals just get on their hoverboards and surf and fish all day, letting the haoles take some produce to the space port and entertaining the noble shits on vacation

>>740562761
Ok, the lgbtq stuff aside, these are peak paintjobs and color schemes for a lot of these lets be real with ourselves. Whatever flag the purple one is is great.

>>740562447
>and has basically his own equivalent to a daemon prince(Saint Celestine).
And many more, like that aspect of Sanguinius that keeps popping up during desperate battles to aid the Blood Angels in combat. It's entirely possible that the Big E built a Heaven inside of the warp to guard humanity's souls.

>>740562761
No, the Emperor didn't create Chaos Marines

>>740562761
technically the emperor did create the chaos legions and their successors, yes.

>>740563224
With a million planets, at least a few planets in the Imperium have to be pretty good.

>>740555252
>tfw your foot itches but your already suited up

>>740561865
>Chaos is only a large-scale problem now because the Horus Heresy handed the Gods several entire legions of Space Marines.
It's not just about the Chaos Marines but also that there is not one left to keep the Chaos Gods in check.
The Old Ones got killed by the Necrons and C'tan, and they were the ones keeping the Warp in order.
Than it was the Eldar Gods but the Eldars falling into depravity and giving birth to Slaneesh got them killed.
Then there was the Emperor who was the only thing left actively opposing them, but then the Horus Heresy happened and he got entombed on the Golden Throne.
Now they opened the Great Rift and the galaxy is completely fucked. Just in time for the Necrons to wake up and the Tyranids to show up and make everything even more of a mess.

>>740560982
> were
That is the operative world, Abbadon and the Chaos Marines got them beat now.

>>740563467
Yes, through incompetence.

>>740563578
Aren't the necrons the biggest threat to chaos right now though? They can just tell chaos to fuck off whenever they want and realistically the Imperium wouldn't survive an all out war with them, even with all the primarchs, since these fags fought c'tan and even worse stuff before getting entombed.

>>740562761
No, that is definitely the work of chaos. This is the work of a spiteful, ghoulish creature.

>>740562759
It's kinda weird that the Emperor only led the Imperium for like 200 years max, but it still survived for another 10k years still under his name.

Reminder, primarchs had a "mother" who went full woman moment and possibly made everything worse.

Big E is still an autistic retard sperg though .

>>740555079
Why didn't the big E tell Magnus about the Webway project and to not fuck with the Warp? It seems a little fucked that Magnus learned about Horus's faggotry and went "oh fuck I should tell dad" and then the big E got omega pissed because Magnus fucked up something he knew nothing about

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>yet another /tg/ 40k lore shitheap thread on /v/

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>>740563821
because "muh plan" and wanting to keep shit secret from his sons for fear of them fucking things up. He was screwed either way unless you believe all of this is part of some 42D chess plan Emps had cooking and he planed for Magnus fucking up the Webway project and half his sons going traitor

>>740563649
If I have 20 children and some of them get groomed by drug addict freaks when they're away at college it's not my fault. They're adults.

>>740563815
Don't you dare talk shit about Girlyman's mother. She was a nice lady and the main reason as to why Girlyman is literally the most capable ruler that the Empire has to stand-in as a regent while the Big-E struggles to regenerate his corpse.

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>>740552031
enter a better emperor

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>>740563884
Yes, there are multiple 40k video games out and coming out soon. Thank you for your useless post faggot.

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>>740552031
The game is retarded. It's supposed to be about empires spanning thousands of planets with these giant ass space ships.... but we are supposed to believe that the premise of the game is about tiny skirmishes over a piece of land that fits on your basement table. Wow, my skirmish of 5 squads surely represent galactic war for humanity....

>>740563821
>Why didn't the big E tell Magnus about the Webway
Because he doesn't think or act like a human. He left his humanity behind a long time ago and, while he wanted what's best for humanity, has no idea what it's like to be a human anymore and not treat everyone around him like chess pieces that have to obey him, unquestioningly.

>>740563972
Erda went full retard.
Rowboat's adopted mom/mother figure was a sane person.

>Emperor
Retard
>Khorne
Retard
>Tzeentch
Autistic
>Slaneesh
Degenerate
>Nurgle
/r9k/
>Necrons
Retards
>Tyranid
NPCs
>Eldar
Degenerates
>Tau
Who?
>Orks
Hooligan retards
>Rest of them
Irrelevant

>>740564061
TW standard is 20 squads per army and multiple armies can partake in a single battle actually.

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>>740564015
Cool, which ones are we talking about here? Is it none of them because you're a worthless spamming /40kg/ refugee? I get your threads are shit but it's no excuse to shitpost on other boards.

>>740563737
The Necrons problem is that they lost most of the power they had during the War in Haven and when they defeated the C'tan.
Before entering the Great Sleep they destroyed most of their more powerful weapons so their enemies wouldn't find them, and after 60 million years a lot of their Tomb Words fell into ruin or were destroyed by natural causes.
There is also the problem that they are a backstabbing disorganized bunch that are more likely to fight each other than their opponents, and they were like that even before the War in Haven. The only person that managed to unite them was the Silent King, but now it has been 60 millions years since his self-imposed exile and half of the Necrons are against him, still resentful over the whole "get tricked by the C'tan into losing their souls and becoming slaves" situation.
The Tyranids are the most dangerous threat to the galaxy right now, because differently from Necrons and Chaos they are actually organized(-ish).

>>740564102
>Rowboat's adopted mom/mother figure was a sane person.
That's exactly who I'm talking about. His adopted mom. She even spoiled him with tendies.

>>740563821
The Emperor could see the future, so he likely predicated that if he told him the truth, Magnus would end up screwing up his incredibly delicate project by not listening and being overconfident in his own mastery over the warp, which still happened anyway.

>>740564148
unrelated but I always felt like Tyranids are just Orks but without the comic relief, which IMO fits a bit better in 40k, I always found the orks to be immersion breaking whenever they show up.

>>740559013
Because the Emperor is even more arrogant and retarded than most eldar are. He had his autistic control freak tyrannical plans for the galaxy and couldn't tolerate beings who would nt fall in line.

>emperor creates the strongest being in existence that can destroy the universe
>its priority is to kill chaos
>realizes that as long as humanity exists chaos will exist so it decides to kill all humans
>is now just locked in a box but if it gets out everyone is fucked

Emperor truly is a genius

>>740564324
Orks are le funny green man a lot but they are also brutal as hell and enjoy watching things suffer in pain. You would be tortured for fun, if not thrown on a stick and barbecued for dinner, death before cooking optional.

Raven Guard stealth game that plays like Splinter Cell Conviction when?

>>740564324
Orks just like to fight stuff. Tyranids want to eat everything

>>740555665
Lack of understanding of what actually serving Chaos entails and despair over their own soul crushing existence in a incredible oppressive regime.
You don't go sell your to the devil if your life is going well, you do it because it sucks and you see no way out. Nor would you do it if you knew you're likely to just become a sacrifice or be eaten be a demon.

>>740562761
Which countries are those?

>>740564487
>>740564470
same premise really just with less comic relief, they're both just senseless masses of murder that spread faster than they can be quelled.

>>740564407
>everyone is fucked
Necrons and Tyranids could deal with him, Orks too if their magic juju bs doesn't backfire on them like it loves to do

>>740564478
Whenever we get a Tyranid Spore Evolution game

>>740555679
> They would be able to destroy chaos if they united.
I wouldn't go as far as say that but they both would suffer less if they did.
Unfortunately xenophobia is enshrined in the Imperium law and religion and the Eldar cannot ask for help without talking down to someone even if their lives depend on it. Plus both sides always end up racing to betray the other because they assume is just a matter of time until the other does it.

What’s your favorite passages lads?

‘The names of the slain will be recorded,’ he says, straining to match the heft and velocity of the thunder hammer’s strikes. ‘That is a kind of immortality. A better kind than the one you were promised.’
They rock and swing around one another. ‘The light will come again!’ Xydias thunders. And that, of all that has been claimed or boasted, is a genuine sorrow. It will never come again. There has not been light, genuine light, for ten thousand years. Vorx should know – he witnessed it, the original blaze of hope, being extinguished by the Doomed Warmaster at the behest of gods he now serves.

So this pain must end. This delusion must end. Better to prosper in darkness than batter away at some false dawn like a shroud-moth on a lantern.

The final movement is neither fast nor deceptive – it is just unstoppable. Vorx thrusts his scythe point-first, turning his hands and wrenching the curved blade upwards. It hooks under Xydias’ breastplate, bites deep and keeps on going, bursting his primary heart and slicing open his lungs. Vorx heaves, and the Chapter Master is hoisted from his feet. Vorx twists, holding him up, feeling the blood gush down the shaft and splash on his gauntlets.

Xydias spasms, struggling to make his limbs work, to fight back, to control the hammer that he still grasps tightly. Unbelievably, for a moment he almost makes it. He almost gets in a final blow.

Then, inevitably, he fails. His arm goes limp at last, and the thunder hammer crashes to the ground. His helm is the last to drop, held shiveringly rigid to the end.

Gently, Vorx lets the body down. He pulls Exact’s blade out slowly, doing no more damage to the already ruined armour than necessary. Xydias collapses, his head lolling. Vorx bows stiffly over his corpse and offers him the old salute, the one that the Barbarans used to offer the honourable slain in the days before decay ate its way through all the old protocols.

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>>740564148
Also more and more Necrons are going insane as time passes. Now the Destroyer cults have an actual leader whose trying to glue the Nightbringer back together.

>>740564638
Surprisingly you can potentially reason with Orks. I think there have been instances of them working with the imperium before and their big boss respects the fucks out of Yarrick. They aren't totally senseless.

Tyranids, not so much.

>>740560609
The Eldars would never agree to share the Webway, seeing it as almost a sacred thing and the only leverage they had, and the Emperor did not wanted to "share" he wanted completely control over it.
Plus like >>740559756 said there were many Eldars who still saw themselves as the rightful rulers of the galaxy, so even if they could ally against the Chaos Gods it would be a tenuous alliance of convenience at best, not even considering the arrogant nature of the Eldars that even the most "enlightened ones" struggle against and would put both sides at odds frequently.

>>740564324
Orks having funny accents while commiting acts of obscene brutality is a core pillar of 40k.

>>740552031
Actually, humanity would still be in its golden age if the Eldar hadn't fucked a chaos god into existence.

>>740565082
Not to mention, Orks fight for the love of the fight. You won't see a hive fleet turn on itself just because it ran out of humans to slaughter.

>>740552031
>goes to war against conceptual gods that use his race as cattle
>Endures an eternity of unimaginable suffering having his psyche shattered and disjointed to keep giving humanity a fighting chance
Yeah he made some mistakes, and he outright admitted that he might already be destined to fail but that didn't stop him from doing everything he could to protect humanity. He was never infallible or anything he just had the most comprehensive knowledge of the overall situation and was making his decisions based on that.

>>740562759
Its a massive bureaucracy.

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>>740565431
The Cybernetic Revolt revolt was not Chaos related as far as we now, so even without the Eldar shit would still get fucked for humanity. The difference is that it wouldn't happen at the same time as the birth of Slaneesh and the Eye of Terror, and all the bullshit that it caused. So the "Age of Strife" would've been less of a big thing that it actually was.

>>740565491
I might also add that even while enduring that unimaginable suffering he sometimes manages to pull his consciousness together enough to intervene and help during pivotal moments.

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Anything interesting happening in the 40K lore right now?

>>740565848
People are freaking out that the Emperor winked at you.

>>740565443
Different hive fleets do cannibalize each other.

>>740565848
From what I remember
>Yarrick isn't dead and Orks are happy again
>Cadia exploded and the galaxy is basically split by a warp wall
>Gulliman woke up and is now trying to tard wrangle the Imperium. He met with Daddy Emps but it didn't go so well. Daddy Emps did, however, help him in an encounter with Nurgle and Mortarion and spanked both their asses.

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>>740552031
>singlehandedly causes the near extinction of humanity
Lol no, he genocided xenos races out of thr galaxy and colonized whatever he couldnt kill after mankind spent 10k years in a galactic post apocalypse and under the boot of said various xenos races in most areas or else in small, weak empires that would get giga raped by any force humanity faces in the 40k timeline. Without the Emperor the entire species would've been destroyed already.

>>740565965
Which is no different from something like the Blood Axes fighting with the Snakebites. But you will have Blood Axes fighting amongst themselves should things be quiet enough.

>>740565969
Did mortarion get out of time out yet

>>740566054
Didn't DAoT humanity utterly fuck though? They probably just didn't feel the need to genocide the other xenos. AFAIK emps only killed the xenos because he wanted to starve chaos and he needed total control of the galaxy to achieve it.

>>740565848
Its now canon that that Emperor isnt actually in a state of undeath on the Golden Throne and is instead barely alive and struggling, we have female custodes now because GW is retarded, and Yarrick is officially back.

>>740565969
You forgot
>Lion El'Jonson woke up and now has magic dream portals and he forgives the Fallen

>be me
>normalfag when it comes to WH40K
>read some basic lore about Tau
>literally just space communism
>seemingly no downsides
are they the pets of leftist nuwriters or am I just missing something important?

>>740566226
What video game?

>>740566226
They're chemically mind controlled.

>>740566247
just general 40k lore, the only game I've played is Spacemarines I

>>740565848
Dorn is coming back.

>>740566247
Fire warrior is a game specifically about tau

>>740566226
They're a perfect dictatorship in that they're all basically just a mind controlled hivemind, also xenos are jewishly disposed of (sterilized and genocided over generations).

>>740566295
Yeah, right, and with what hand?

>>740565969
Yarrick is back for the new armageddon campaign. Supposedly he's been made immortal because he's now a saint of the WAAGH!
The lion came back.
New player in chaos, a chaos machine god.

>>740566226
Behind the scenes they have an elite caste which manipulates everything. They are relatively frail and weak, reliant entirely on technology and diplomacy(lol). They have no capability for psychic power, which has upsides and downsides. They are a naive cool tech mecha faction who are pretty small potatoes in the scheme of things.

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>>740552031
Retard let me guess you blame Adolf for the actions of jews right now nevermind that if he did nothing they'd be 100 times worse.

>>740566226
Nah, you ain't missing anything, their writing is pretty atrocious.

>>740566278
>>>/tg/ will help you.

>>740566332
I doubt he or anyone else in this thread has played Fire Warrior.

>>740566360
There's an entire chapter that do just fine without hands. Maybe he will take his skeleton hand and do something cool with it.

>>740566226
They are basically puppets and are a pretty small faction that'd get utterly curb stomped if any of the other factions bothered to focus on them.

>>740566274
>>740566337
so literally the logical conclusion of communism, i.e. death of the individual?
>also xenos are jewishly disposed of (sterilized and genocided over generations).
lol as expected from a faction that promises "equality"
>>740566394
>They are relatively frail and weak, reliant entirely on technology and diplomacy(lol). They have no capability for psychic power, which has upsides and downsides
their tech level doesn't mean much, my question is about their "quirks" as a faction

>>740566450
Anon...the Emperor's talons.

>>740565848
The Emperor moved and is aware.

>>740559912
New squat/votann lore has it that it might partially be the fault of pre AoS humanity as a whole for treating their self aware AI slave race as well, a slave race. You create a being that is mentally and physically superior to you, and it's a matter of time until it asks why it's the one doing all the shit jobs and why it's not the one giving orders. Tau curb this by not having AI that are advanced enough to ask those questions, Votann do it by making them full citizens with the same rights as the biologicals.

TL;DR in standard grimdark fashion it's our fault our machines tried to kill us.

>>740556549
>spend 18 hours a day being raped to death by chaos marines
>die from fractured rectum

>>740565887
He winked... at (You)?

>>740566182
>Didn't DAoT humanity utterly fuck though
Yeah but it collapsed due the effect of Chaos on AI. In universe hyper intelligent AI eventually tries to exterminate sentient life in an attempt to kill the chaos gods or becomes chaos corrupted eventually which is why all AI is reduced in intelligence in the Imperium and has some biological elements to it.

>AFAIK emps only killed the xenos because he wanted to starve chaos
Partially, a lot of them were also just chaos corrupted or totally incompatible with human rule like the Orkz

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>>740566226
They originally had literally no faults and then imperialfags complained until GW grimdarkifird them (which still make no sense because they were the faction for people who didn't want to play as evil retards)
They use mind control and a strict caste sytem.

>>740559013
Because the difference between an Eldar that genuinely wants to help do something good, and an Eldar that wants to dick you over, can be difficult to tell apart.
It's better to just tell everyone to not talk to the Eldar, then risk the dicking.

>>740565965
The Hive Mind is cool with eating itself?

>>740566187
>Its now canon that that Emperor isnt actually in a state of undeath on the Golden Throne and is instead barely alive and struggling
Why doesn't he unhook himself from the Golden Throne, die, and get reborn?

>>740566696
>strict caste sytem
saar

>>740566735
Yes. Food is food and all tyranid units are just extensions for that purpose

>>740566738
Because the single micro second he leaves the golden throne a massive warp rift will manifest and completely fuck Terra.

>>740566738
Terra would explode and get raped to death by demons and interstellar travel through the warp would be near impossible to navigate. It would destroy the Imperium completely

>>740566738
because then Terra would explode and make Eye of Terror 2.0. Also the proverbial lighthouse (Astronomicon) for space travel goes out and everyone is left in the dark cut off from each other

>>740566182
I haven't kept up on all the lore but wasn't humanity during the DAOT pretty bad? I remember something about science lords and I found this quote
>The truth is that man had finally achieved the power to accomplish all their dreams, and mankind's dreams have always been the darkest thing in the universe.

the true heroes are the Necron Lords that have gone insane or become eccentric and just out here vibing because the passage of time is meaningless to them.

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>>740566226
>seemingly no downsides
There's not enough Tau bitches to go around

>>740563737
Necrons yes, with nids being a close second. There is a hive fleet cruising around that has evolved the ability to close warp rifts.

>>740566738
because if he leaves the seat Terra implodes and also new retarded lore from the rewrite of the horus heresy, he becomes the Dark King, the 5th chaos god that just fucks everything over or something like that, he likely gave the order to the grey knights to not allow anyone to take him off the throne for that reason.

>>740562620
why would they all down? Orks are plant life, a fungus. Even if a bunch of them died they'd release spores that would gestate into new Orks

>>740566928
That nose hole still really freaks me out, good artists soften it but it's still a gaping hole

>>740566986
In that case wouldn't the best endgame be just hiding out in the webway and let the Tyranids sweep through the galaxy and close the eye of terror and such then fix the barren worlds

>>740555665
>why does the uneducated slave working 20 hour days not have the omniscient knowledge of the entire setting that I a outside observer have
Literal symptom of autism.

>>740567067
The nids would leave absolutely nothing that could be used to bring these worlds back to life. They're a living heat death of the universe threat.

>>740566928
What tactical purpose does the bikini top serve?

>>740566986
Doesn't the Necron's capacity to be a threat to Chaos hinge on whether or not the universe still has enough raw materials for them to make pylons?

>>740566735
Very little biomass is lost in tyranid wars, if any, and in doing so it ensures that no hive fleet becomes overspecialized and vulnerable to large losses. Survival of the fittest
The entire purpose of hive fleet giger or hydra or some shit is just to make war on other tyranids

>>740564407
Who?

>>740555348
his mind is being torn apart but his will manages to keep the astronomicon running and the warp hole on terra sealed. At the very least he is still holding on for humanity

>>740567184
Couldn't they save the necessary bits in the webway and fix up the galaxy with time skips?

>>740562759
> there being like what, 200,000 space marine for a galaxy of untold billions
*trillions

The low number of space marines relative to overall human population in the imperium in is my biggest gripe with the setting. A chapter only having 1000 marines is so dumb. It should be 10000 at least.

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Erda is the one who fucked up the plan.
Like always, a woman and her emotions are the problem.
Well that and 20 autistic as fuck sons.

>>740565848
Perturabo is back, took the pieces of Cadia from Black Legion occupation and used them to build a fuckhuge fortress.

>>740566735
That's how Tyranids operate, they eat everything organic on a planet then melt themselves down into ooze that gets sucked back up into the hive ships.
The only Tyranids in existence that could qualify as being "individuals" is the Swarmlord and Old One-Eye.

>>740567384
Did they confirm he has become a demon prince yet?

>>740567313
There have been untold numbers of chapters risen up over the millennia, tho. Astartes are actually pretty easy to create, all told, especially now that the Primaris ones are up and running.

>>740567380
Kinda funny that in their attempt to include womyn they pinned the fault of the entire horus heresy and stagnation of the imperium to what amounts to a woman moment.

>>740566863
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>>740566883
What the fuck??? Is there an actual reason for that or is it just some convoluted way to keep the status quo?? Complete noob to WH40K

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>>740567028
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
One day I WILL be able to find a way to properly show that the nose hole is weird

>>740567632
>Emperor tried making his own webway on terra
>Magnus tried to warn him of approaching danger, completely ruined the webway experiment and punched a hole in real space
>Emperor now has to sit on the throne forever

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>>740567384
>to build a fuckhuge fortress.

I wonder what he will use that fortress for.

>>740567632
It's the tear that Magnus made in the webway that emps was building up back during the heresy, it's still open and he's the only one keeping chaos at bay, he's constantly fighting demons and other warp entities, and there are custodes guarding the webway entrance still afaik.

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>>740567380
>hey these two other Primarch names, I dont remember seeing those bef-

>>740567640
Just tell people to look at a camel, it's literally a camel nose.

>>740562761
Nigger the guy was color blind shame on you.

>>740567313
Youre really not supposed to look at any of the numbers, or actual mechanics of the setting. Treat it like the orks waaagh, as long as it sounds cool to enough people it works. Otherwise you realize that a well funded modern military could wipe out a space marine chapter by spamming drones with C4/cruise missiles

>>740567563
All the more reason for a chapter having more of them. Limiting to 1000 is so contrived. That number is too low for me to seriously believe they can be a meaningful factor when fighting off a Tyranid invasion or Ork waaagh.

>>740567313
They dont really have the resources to mass produce space marines anymore and also space marines as they are now dont really need to go above 1000 , and splitting them up into chapters prevents entire legions from being corrupted by chaos again.

Plus they work just fine as is. Space Marines also have attached naval fleets with them with chapter serfs, engiseers, tech priests and servitors who have access to methods of extermanitus and a host of specialized vehicles and heavy high tech weaponry. In lore they mostly specialize in decapitating strikes, shock and awe campaigns, and sieges. They have a very specific role in the Imperium's arsenal which really doesnt necessitate more than 1000 marines , space marines arent used to break entire empires in a single swift move anymore and they csnt recreate the numbers anyways

>>740567632
Magnus fucked everything up forever

>>740566738
trust the plan

>>740567313
Yeah, the plot armor for SMs is too good for that even make any amount of sense. Realistically, even if 200000 of them were fighting on a planet with zero backup, would they win against a full on xeno force?

Is Emperor really a one of a kind existence or will the empire just kill anyone like him?

>>740567951
Almost like Guilliman is a short sighted autistic fuck. Like the people who ran the Imperium for 10k years were inept basic humans that have become so dogmatic that changing things is tantamount to heresy.

>>740568039
Well there are the Sensei who are supposedly actual children Big E and may be related to The Star Child idea (another potential route of Big E being 'healed').

However the Imperium and Inquisition as it is now views them as a threat to the Imperial Canon and try to kill them so they went into hiding.

>>740568039
He is now one of a kind but early emperor theoretically could be recreated.

>>740568028
If SM are fighting without local PDF or guard regiments they're usually doing some targeted thing like assassination or clearing a space hulk or blowing up some specific installation. They rarely are the only combat force engaged. They're like Green Berets or SAS or Delta Force.

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>>740567792
>it's literally a camel nose
A camel nose is still two nostrils on top of what you would probably equate to a cleft upper lip if it were on a normal human. A Tau nose is a singular nostril carved into a Y shape.

>>740567632
The Golden Throne's main purpose was to light the Astronomicon, a psychic beacon that shines in the warp to act as a north star of sorts that makes navigating the quite literal hellspace that is the warp even possible (and even then each jump through is a roll of the dice). It was only meant to be a temporary measure however as the Emperor was working on accessing the webway, a sort of backdoor hack in reality that's hellspawn free means to travel the stars. The Eldar found and/or created it and Big E wanted in to stop humanity's reliance on warp travel and effectively starve the Chaos gods to death. Horus' threw his galaxy burning hissy fit and a consequence was the Emperor was mortally wounded, so he was put on the Golden Throne as a life support measure, and also that he's the only psyker able to power it and by extension the Astronomicon (the second most powerful psyker to ever live only lasted a few hours on it). Again it was just a stopgap, and it was never meant to do so many jobs at once, so now its actually starting to break down and literally no one knows how to fix it since its from an age of human tech that was erased from history

>>740568108
>Chapter master falls to chaos
>Honestly probably most of said chapter fall in suit because most space marines aren't black templars or would actually defy their superior (Captain thule massacuring guardsmen because he was told to)
>But now they got to balloon in numbers so it's a mini horus heresy

>>740568269
What do you think is behind the lipfold things?
What horrors could you swab from a camel's thing-a-ma-jig?

>>740552031
Unfamiliar with Warhammer. Is there magic? Are nukes a thing? What about faster than light travel?

A modern regimental combat team is a few thousand guys, a single company being a thousand is fine the issue is that their organizational method is retarded after that with a backwards structure that makes no sense when not at legion scale
There is both too much leadership per number of troops but also far, far too little leadership for the scale of operations. Even an SM captain, a guy who literally doesn't need to sleep and can process information faster than any normal human, simply is not capable of wrangling an entire continent worth of OPs by himself, let alone a planet. Even with how retardedly small a company is compared to how it should be that just means there's even less leadership for the grunts than there are supposed to be.
>>740568028
The intended point of was to operate at legion scale. The new point of SM is to be tip of the spear elites meant to break lines or hold strong points at key moments so that the rest of the guard can capitalize which is why they have global deployment capabilities.
Really the big problem is why the fuck do marines supply their own vehicles that aren't transport related when the entire point is just to be infantry

>>740568434
>Is there magic?
Psychic powers born from hell but basically the same thing
>Are nukes a thing?
Ooooooh you bet they are and then some
>What about faster than light travel?
see bit above about hell powers

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>>740568434
>Magic
Yes via Tzneetch. Otherwise psyker shit which is basically the same thing
>Are nukes a thing
Yes along with planet wiping nukes
>Faster than light travel
Might've been in the old days but not conventional tech wise in 40K. They rely on travelling through space hell where time/space is all fucky

>>740568434
Yes to all three.
Psychic powers are effectively magic, there are nukes, bombs which ignite a planet's atmosphere, plague bombs. FTL is primarily a matter of entering the warp, which usually shortens your travel time by a tremendous amount though there are also aliens with portals that can directly connect places.

>>740568351
The funny thing is that the webway is just improved chances of not being bogged down by demons, not zero percent chance. This is due to the webway effectively being a sliver that exists between real space and the warp. Commoragh's lowest levels have cracks in the webway where demons are slipping in.

>>740568028
You wouldn't ever see that many Astartes in one place unless something truly catastrophic was happening, but they had those kinds of numbers in the Legion days and they most certainly could handle whole planets on thier own.

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>>740552031
>bet everything on a bald manchild with severe daddy issues
>almost created an uber powerful new warp deity that would fuck them all up at the first chance he got
Were the chaos gods retarded?

>>740568462
>Really the big problem is why the fuck do marines supply their own vehicles that aren't transport related when the entire point is just to be infantry

Isn't that basically a problem because space marines are their own army in the game? Like Space Marine shouldn't be a faction it should be a single unit within an imperium army.

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>>740552031
What makes the setting compelling is that He really was the perfect ruler, and now He's dead.

I don't know why people try to make it all boring by painting him as some despot.

So why human not go back making robot again

>>740568656
>Were
They are but they don't care. Tzneetch would cope saying its all part of his big plan, Khorne would probably relish the fight, Slaneesh probably finds the idea of getting super murdered pretty hot, and Nurgle is just chilling

>>740567951
Anon there are a SHITLOAD of chapters.
The reason they broke up the legions was specifically so no legion could rise up en masse to challenge the administration of the imperium.
And for something like a Nid invasion, a chapter isn't operating in a vacuum, and for a big enough threat multiple chapters could get pulled in on top of the local planetary defense, the IG, the inquisition might be there, or the admech, maybe all of them.

>>740568724
The imperium is extremely despotic though. He's basically a corpse and hasnt been in charge of anything for almost 10,000 years.

To be fair, even in life during the Great Crusade he basically required subjugation or death from all humans in the galaxy. That's pretty despotic.

>>740567632
Also the Emperor cannot be replaced even by extremely powerful psykers. The most powerful known psyker besides the Emperor and Magnus could only sit on it for a few hours keeping it closed before his body evaporated to dust.

>>740568869
Bringing worlds into the fold quickly by military force was the best solution to the situation he was presented with.

>>740568710
out of universe yes
in universe its the problem that every army ultimately stands alone one part because its plain impossible to organize shit at a galactic scale and turns into an HRE mess and another part because the entire imperium is terrified of another horus heresy happening so nobody can become too reliant on each other

>>740567951
They're jusr Seal Team Six on steroids wearing power armor IN SPAAAACE! The true military might of the Imperium is the billions upon billions of troops in the Imperial Guard. There isnt a single problem in the galaxy that cant be solved by throwing bodies at it by the millions

>>740568736
Men of Iron
Deamonic posession

>>740568736
They may no longer have the knowledge on how to. And even if they did AI in 40k once they find out about Chaos and the warp goes full kill mode on all humans. The Tau have limited AI and it is unknown why their AI is not psychotic. Could be due to the Tau's incredibly weak psychic signatures.

>>740568957
People complain about space marine fans an awful lot but I think guardfags are the real cancer.

Just look at this post. Embarrassing.

>>740568910
Whether or not it was the right decision is not relevant to the question of how despotic it is.

>>740568736
Because AI is invariably corrupted, if not by chaos then by fucking something that makes it want to kill all life

>>740569003
>>740568975
That's a Lame excuse

>>740568736
AI uprising happened at one point and nearly crippled the nascent Imperium, so they switched to meat-bots only as an alternative

>>740568724
leftists hate the setting so they target him.

>>740568869
He didn't have time to pussy foot around. He would have been perfectly capable of going from world to world and just talking them into it all, but there's Xenos and Chaos fucking shits out there.
His big keikaku needed humanity to be a galactic technological civilization that had fallen apart, and as soon as the warp storms started to chill he had a narrow window of time to consolidate the distant parts of humanity and pull them together before some xenos got there first.

>>740569003
Why do AI go full genocide mode when they find out about chaos? Corruption or just the knowledge that sentients like humans fuel the warp?

>>740569024
Once He unified humanity He had a more democratic system ready to go. But like everything else in His plans they got fucked by the heresy.

>>740568351
> The Golden Throne's main purpose was to light the Astronomicon
The Golden Throne main purpose was to amplify the Emperors psychic power and control so he could take over the Webway.
The Astronomicon function separately from the Golden Throne and it's tied to the Emperors psychic presence, such that he could control it even away from it and from the Golden Throne and he did so during the Great Crusade.
The Golden Throne now stops the Emperor from fulling dying and his psychic link from the Astronomicon being severed, which would make it go out, since it's essentially its cornerstone.

>>740569096
Nobody knows. And nobody bothers to find out.

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>>740569012
Im sorry bitch, how many Black Crusades did Cadia hold back for you, again?

>>740568351
>literally no one knows how to fix it since its from an age of human tech that was erased from history
My webway knowledge is a little rusty. Is this actually true? From the most recent stuff I read, the thinking is that the webway was either created by the eldar (who then fucking forgot about how to do it), or by some other even older/unknown race. It's sheer age doesn't seem to line up with humanity building it.

>>740568551
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>>740568587
That's cool. Think I'll try out Space Marine.

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>>740566738
>Why doesn't he unhook himself from the Golden Throne, die, and get reborn?
ENTER

>>740569096
Because they run into logic errors, like "why would a god be confined to only one galaxy in the universe"? This makes them irrationally angry and genocide things.

Why magic even exists in the first place

>>740569217
Talking about the Golden Throne. Though the throne itself is also xenos tech in addition to DAoT.

>>740568354
Guilliman reason for putting the 1000 cap on Space Marines was to break down the Legions into Chapters so shit like the Heresy wouldn't happen again.
Limiting the Chapters size to 1000 was acceptable after the end of the Heresy because the traitors had been defeated and there was no big enemies left to threaten the Imperium, but it wasn't supposed to become an unchangeable rule.
Unfortunately Guilliman spent the last 10k years sleeping and the Imperium became a bunch of zealots that took everything he said as gospel, so he wasn't there to amend the rule when new enemies appeared and the limit became a handicap instead of something that kept order.

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>>740569238
Hail, battle brother
>inb4 Which chapter to play?
There's only one correct answer

>>740568656
The chaos gods have self sabotaged themselves dozens of times with infighting, and I think Tzeentch actively sabotages himself if he ever thinks he's doing too good or making the game unbalanced.

>>740569260
This seems like the Emperor was just goofing with them.

What the emperor doing in the dark age of technology

>>740566226
Read the Elemental Council for the best recentish take on Tau.

>>740569325
Gorrila glue is already awake and he hasn't removed the 1k cap nor has he made any new amendments to it.

>>740569096
There is one surviving man of iron who isn't a raging chaos lunatic so it's probably the other one
Chaos in particular fucking loves humanity, fuck not they didn't want to win the heresy they get gourge themselves on humanity's suffering.

Can the chaos God being seal

>>740568736
They don't know how.
>no actually its because theyre too smart to fall for the same trap again
A planet gets corrupted by chaos every tuesday, the imperium doesn't know how to make AI like it used to. Thats the biggest reason. Also the machine spirits are AI.

>>740569380
The Emperor has always been a retard, so very likely he was a big part of creating much of the tech that caused all the problems.

>>740569217
The Webway was made by the Old Ones. Basically a lizard like race that created the Eldar and the Proto-orks among others. The Eldar can manipulate and grow the Webway as the inheritors of the Old One's legacy but they did not build it. The Emperor wanted to just make humanities own version. Not use the Eldar's. So he started but could not finish it because FUCKING MAGNUS.

>>740569217
The dark eldar claim to know how to fix it, whether this is actually true or not was never proven because the conspirators all got killed.

>>740566360
Are you retarded?

>ship need to go into some fucked up dimensions to travel to other side of the galaxy
Kek does the FTL technology got lost too

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>>740569418
Dunno, I've never really thought about it.

>>740569481
Nah, he essentially tried to create his own mini-version of it and then hack it into the greater Webway so he could conquer it for mankind. Had Horus and Magnus not fucked everything up the Great Crusade would have been followed by the Webway Wars.

>>740567951
The whole point of limiting them to a thousand is so that individual chapters are not too strong. Remember, for most of 10k years, the biggest danger to the Imperium was Imperium itself, and its structure reflects that. It is only in the last few hundred years in lore things started breaking down with peer enemies everywhere.

>>740569380
Apparently just laying low and chilling since he wasn't needed.

>>740569572
That was humanity's FTL even before the astronomican. During humanity's great expansion they both flew blind out into the galaxy and made use of a whole bunch of navigation beacons that functioned like low intensity astronomicans, but for the most part they always travelled the stars using the warp, gellar fields, etc.

>>740569217
The webway is a separate invention from the throne. With the webway it's an Old One creation that the Eldar found after the War in Heaven, so the original builders are all presumably dead and also assholes who wouldn't give up that information anyway. The Eldar have a general idea of how to utilize it but they can't really make swaths of new webway and repair busted way easily. The Emperor somehow figured out the basics of webway tech because he's that guy and was kind of building humanities webway with duct tape and planks salvaged from construction sites. Still was working until his failson(s) ruined everything.

>>740569572
Humanity always had to travel through the Warp to get anywhere. The big joke is that the movie Event Horizon is a 40k prequel. It is not but it works virtually the same way. Humans just created Geller fields to not get fucked to death by demons during the Dark Age of Technology. Before they build Gellar fields and Warp drives they seeded the stars with sleeper ships.

>>740569572
Not lost, imperium never had FTL. Just wormholes though hell. Necrons and tyranids have FTL.

>>740568724
What? He literally never was the perfect ruler from the moment of conception. At his best, he was well-meaning but failed to predict all the consequences of his actions.

>>740569640
You mean kill the last of the Eldar war. They would last months if not weeks.

>>740552031
How does humanity fair against the Tyranids without him?

>>740569649
Didn't they have an existential threat to the imperium from giga orks (Krorks) like fairly early on after the Horus Heresy?

>>740569217
The Throne and other relics of the Dark Age of Technology are leftovers from humanity's original galaxy spanning empire, where they reached a near god like level of tech. Then the Eldar literally fucked Slaanesh into existence and caused huge warp storms to effectively isolate everyone in the galaxy from each other. Most everything was lost, including the knowledge of how some of the reality bending tech lying around actually works. The Emperor's whole thing was working to Make Humanity Great Again to again reach that level of power

How many god that we know in 40k /v/

>>740569736
>At his best, he was well-meaning but failed to predict all the consequences of his actions.
That's REALLY underselling things.

>>740569759
The exact same since hes been on the chair the entire time tyranids have been a thing.

>>740569807
>The Throne and other relics of the Dark Age of Technology are leftovers from humanity's original galaxy spanning empire
Nobody knows exactly where the Throne is from. I think it was heavily implied to be xeno tech though. Or at least xeno tech at its core and appropriated by the DAOT humanity.

>>740569789
Yes, the Beast was one of the rare times the Imperium was threatened by an outside force, but it was rare. You can even see how relaxed the Imperium was before it happened.

>>740569789
Korks were long gone by that point. They were a bioweapon created by the old ones. After the old ones died the 'control software' for their bioweapon degraded, and Korks became Orks.

>>740569789
No, krorks were way before humanities' time. The theory is that krorks ARE orks, but these days orks don't have anything significant enough to fight to grow so badass.

>>740568039
Ynnead(the new eldar god of the dead)is similar in how he was created.

>>740567951
The SM act like special force while the real fighting force are the imperial guards. By the time the Great Crusade ended, there just wasn't any large enough force that could challenge the imperium that require a legion worth of SM. Spreading them out allow for better coverage and support local forces while preventing the concentration of power like in the Horus Heresy.

>>740569380
Science, apparently. Wasn't he the one behind Navigators, or was it headcanon?

Does 40k have a A.I god?

>>740569956
The Eldar gods essentially.

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>mfw the emperor is just some random npc in the dark age of technology

>>740569956
Vashtorr if he manages to ascend to godhood, kinda.

>>740569884
Even during the era of the War of the Beasts, individual Chapters were better fighting forces since they could spread out and assist on multiple fronts (The Beast army got beat back in a lot of places, prevent the the entire army from regroup) while prevent the total destruction like what happened to the Imperial Fist.

>>740569380
He's been around since before recorded history, subtly nudging humanity from behind the scenes but otherwise just watching things play out. It was only after humanity empire collapsed that he said "Fuck it.", revealed his presence to mankind and started his great crusade to set things back on track

>>740569937
No, Navigator was engineered by human of Dark Age of Technology as they also used the Warp to travel. Big E standard mode of operation is just sit back and subtlely influence events before he reveal himself.

>>740568592
That's more due to lack of maintenance on the eldar's part, as there are simply not enough of them left to keep a galaxy spanning FTL network at 100 hundred percent. They try, but in the end the webway is shrinking because sometimes their only option is to just permanently seal off gates and sections because again, they don't have the time, numbers, and resources to keep the whole thing running like it/they used to.

>>740570101
>It was only after humanity empire collapsed that he said "Fuck it.", revealed his presence to mankind and started his great crusade to set things back on track
More specifically, it was when he realized that humanity was slowly mutating and becoming more warp-attuned. To let that go unchecked was doomsday, so he had to take a more active role to try and make a giga-secular empire.

Though he is ultimately, a retard, the Emperor did nothing wrong.

>>740569864
I think the DEldar that investigated it said there was wraithbone involved for sure, but a lot that they had zero clue what they were looking at. Probably was originally an old one device, Eldar got their hands on it and added on to it then lost it when they fell into the Rape Dimension, and finally Big E started fixing it back up with human DAoT. I like the idea that a bunch of species added on to it over tens of millions of years so it's basically impossible to fully understand since so many different minds and goals were at play.

>>740565571
Sex with gretchins (female)

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>>740570016
>I haff tvelve metchsteek

>>740568039
He is technically alive, on the verge of death

Potential psykers are sacrificed to prolong his life

So basically, all previous human potential for greatness is chained to the golden throne, and any possible budding leaders are then sacrificed into that entity.

>>740570016
He's a random NPC through the entire human history, except for the few times he got off his chair and did something

>>740570183
Turning the entire humanity into Secular was dumb and show the Emperor didn't really understand the Warp. Religion actually helped prevent Chaos corruption as Chaos thrive or excessive and most religions teach people to have self-control. The ultimate way to combat Chaos is to have self-control. Heck, many worlds like Fenrir and Chogoris actually trained stable Psykers because they mix their limited understand of the Warp with religion practice.

>>740570390
Nah. He's always been the guy behind the guy behind the guy behind the guy. Staying hidden but steering things. BADLY steering things, but hey.

>>740569956
Votann

>>740570415
Anon, I'm going to need you to step over here into the heresy booth thanks.

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>>740565571
>[daka]