I am a millennial but I didnt play this in my formative yearsI played it much much later. It is astonishing how shit this game is. Uematsu also phoned it in apart from a handful of tracks. Yuna is cringe and gay. Wakka sounds like a retard. The team dynamic is very weird and the closeness they imply doesnt seem earnedYou guys are so easily impressed
>>740556257I played it recently and thought it was overrated but still enjoyed it
>>740556257Also I don’t know why you think the closeness isn’t earnedWakka and Lulu are essentially step-siblings and acted like Yuna’s older brother and sister from childhoodKimahri is pretty much her adopted dadRikku’s her cousinAuron’s a very well respected figure around BesaidI guess it’s unrealistic how quickly Yuna and Tidus fell for each other but thats Jap media for you
>>740556257The only thing that might have made it better would have been to make it the sequel to a game where you played Braska's pilgrimage, since that's essentially what it is.
Uematsu didn't do half of the soundtrack which is why it's shit
>I am a millennial but I didnt play this in my formative yearsSame, I actually only played it in my 30s. However the game was fucking awesome, probably the best story in any FF and personally I'd rate it as the second best FF after FF7. Maybe not the best replay value, but that remains to be seen as I only played it ~5 years ago. Then I played FF12, and that was awesome too. (FFX-2 is an abomination though.)What the FUCK were people saying the series went to shit after FF9 smoking? FF8 and FF9 are both boring messes, FFX was a beacon of light after a long corridor of darkness if anything.
>>740556860Yuna was drawn to how carefree Tidus is. Since he's the only one who's grown up without the shadow of Sin looming over him, he's optimistic in a way she's never seen before. With Tidus, I wouldn't say he falls for Yuna right away. He's maybe intrigued by how everyone treats her so reverentially when, to his view, she hasn't actually done anything yet. He notices her because she's hot, but he also bonds a bit with Rikku, enough that he dream about her and Yuna later on. The early part of the game plays up his brotherly relationship with Wakka rather than making him get close with Yuna immediately.
>>740556257you had to play it in the frutiger aero era to understand
>>740556257Yeah, it’s Final Fantasy, they’re all shit. They’re all poorly written and beloved by the biggest retards.
>>740557818true except 7
>>740556257>It is astonishing how shit this game is.It's a Final Fantasy game, so that's perfectly normal
>>740556257Lol you're a faggot.
>>740556653Same. Good game but obv not as great as PS2babes say it is.IX was much better, for example. As were many FFs.
>>740556257Lemmie guess, you love 9?
>>740558634Meh, X is better than IX.What new things does IX actually offer?X is the first one that does genuine turn based combat.
>>740558727I love 9s soundtrack
>>740556257Those temple puzzles fucking sucked. I wish I skipped them because I didnt need those rewards
>>740558829Not what i asked, autismo
>>740558903You need those rewards for Anima. That's the real reason to get them
>>740556257I played it when I was like 12 and even back then I thought it sucked. I really only finished it cause I wanted to complete all the FF games, telling myself back then I was an FF fan. Today I know I was just a Sakaguchi fan and couldn't care less about the utter shit from Square after he left.
>>740556861how fucking boring would that be? just go through the exact same process twice?
>>740559007Ah I got gigacarried by chadjimbo. Maybe it would have been worth it if I did end game stuff
>>740558764X's """combat""" is literally just boring rock paper scissors. Don't think, just use the correct attack against the correct enemy type and do that a trillion times in the game. And X didn't add anything of value. Instead it took away what fans loved: a world to explore got replaced by a fucking corridor.The voice acting was cringe as fuck and it was the first time I realized how shitty the writing in these games are. When you read things in your head, you can often make everything fit just right, but when that shit is read out loud, it gives away the cringe melodrama.9 is the culmination of what made the series great.10 is the boring husk that remained after all the talent had left the company and the idiots tried to cobble together the next big thing
>>740559257why bother when the game gives you an instant win cheat? utterly pointless. the game broke itself.
>>740559121It's Final Fantasy. Every game is essentially the same process.
I'm too tired to upgrade this. 16 and remakes are just the same shit as the other modern shit
>>740556257Yeah FFXVI was much better
>>740556257Baten Kaitos was the better game to play during the formative years.
>>740559468what kind of retarded argument is that? you follow the story in 10 because you wonder where things are going. uncovering the conclusion of the past journey is part of what makes the current journey interesting. if you already know how it all plays out and then just do the same shit again, the player wishes he could just fast forward to the part where things deviate
for me i wish i played ff8 or ff7 as a kidi feel like its really hard to go back and play them now and appreciate them for what they are
>>740559603this 100%
>>740559498
>>740559628I replayed both and to my surprise found I actually enjoyed 8 replay a lot more than 7, despite back then liking 7 way more than 8. 8's weird magic system and the way you can mess around with the cards allows playthroughs to feel way different, whereas in 7 you feel just like going through the motions again. yeah the substance combinations are still the most fun system but I figured out how to abuse that already back then because of how intuitive it was. everybody was confused by 8 but now with proper knowledge, abusing it is super fun
>>740559362>X's """combat""" is literally just boring rock paper scissors. Don't think, just use the correct attack against the correct enemy type and do that a trillion times in the game.Type effectiveness is literally the backbone of FF, so the fact you are saying this is bad contradicts with what you said that IX is culmination of it when it has the same problem with X. There are literally skills that existed to just makes you deal more damage to a particular type of enemies in IX.>9 is the culmination of what made the series great.And what is that? You just sound like a rose-tinted glasses nostalgiafag with that kind of argument.
>>740556257This, but about VII. >oh, here's another random minigame where you have to pretend to be chief Shinra cocksucker and if you don't suck enough cocks to the rhythm, you don't get this All Materia
>>740556257>Wakka sounds like a retard.They couldn't resist the urge to make him speak like a nigger in the English version because his skin is slightly suntanned, even back then.Even in FF8, which is not voiced, they couldn't resist to make Raijin speak in AAVE, which is not a thing in other translation.
>>740559047kitase was the one responsible for absolute kino like 6 and 7
>>740559876Are Hawaiians niggers now?
9 is cringy. The You're Not Alone scene especially is hard to sit through as an adult.
>>740559708>Red's cringe voice>Sephiroth butt stalking Cloud in every cutscene>Zack shit>time jannies>Aerith death ruined by parallel universe shit>Dyne ruined by lol so random shit>Seto scene ruined by filler shit>Cid is a completely different character>Tifa is a shy moe blob instead of badass bitch>plates not killing anybody who matters>Midgar solom scene ruinedAnybody who liked FF7 absolutely must hate fake FF7I bet you haven't even played the real FF7
>>740559362NTA but I agree. The dialogue was cringe. You cannot even credit it to japanese autismo at the time
>>740559862You saying it's bad yet event-based progression is my favorite thing in JRPGs
>>740559957It's hard to empathize with Zidane since there is absolutely no attempt to build this scene up from the start, and the Bran Bal itself is barely explorable as a location.
>>740559787>Type effectiveness is literally the backbone of FFIt is barely relevant in the first 9 games.
>>740560008I loved ff7r especially rebirth and the original as well. I am also very jaded and mostly only play older games so me liking ff7r maybe an outlier.
>>740560119Absolutely false.
>>740560008But I have though, multiple times. The original still exists and I replay it regularly, the remake is just more of Nomura's Wild Ride and in that respect I enjoy it. Could definitely lose some of the filler though
>>740559708>Meh about 3 but loves 5>Enjoyed 7R while accepting 16 and hating 15 even though they all feel and play relatively similarly enough Retarded and gayHowever you get it for 4, 6, and 10
>>7405602143 is not in the same league as 5. I'd rather play 1 or 5 over it any day
>>740556257I played it on release after running 7, 8, and tactics. I thought 9 and 10 were both ass compared.
>>740556257That's a really interesting take. I'd love to hear more about it. What about it makes it shit? What music tracks do you think Uematsu phoned it in on? What don't you like about the team and their dynamic? Is there any part of the story that made you feel this way?
>>740560324>Filtered by FF1Hate to see it
>>740559787The point is that there is nothing more to X's combat. Rock Paper Scissors is ALL there is. It's 99% of the fucking gameplay, whreas in other FF games it was just one aspect of many.>And what is that?- controllable world map- ATEs- classic 4 player character party- card game- treasure hunt.- parallel narrative perspectives
>>740560205>>740560180go suck off Red 13. he can fill you up with his furry cum while he moans with his cringy teenager voice
>>740560295Story wise, I agree, and although the job system is more fleshed out in 5 AND battle on the big bridge is one of ff's sickest tracks, I feel like 3 was a great starting point in that regard If it had to be broken down between those 35≥3>1I find 3 charming and cozy even if it's not as dramatic and big as 5
>>740556861Braskafags are always the worst part of Xdom. You saw all you needed to see about their pilgramage in the flashbacks.>Jecht gets drunk and punches a pack animal>Auron gets flustered chews him out>Braska now now ara araThe entire fucking game that would be.
>>740559941>Are Hawaiians niggers now?>now
>>740557291>you had to play it in the frutiger aero era to understandthishttps://files.catbox.moe/do6t6l.mp4
X had better music than 9Better setting, better characters, better final boss, better story, better everything
>>740560585The OST is 3's best aspect. I don't care for the way 3 handled the job system at all. The mini dungeons alone make me never want to play the game again.
>>740560295Absolutely not 1Yes call me filtered I can't find value in it other than the time loop shenanigans
Just realized Jedch looks a lot like the odin guy from 16
>>740560736It has a simple appeal to it that I quite enjoy. It's decently short and there's not really any bullshit to put up with so I replay it fairly often
>>740560447Most people, including me, preferred X combat than IX. So don't use RPS as an argument when literally the previous games use elemental systems as a knowledge check.Also your bullet points can easily be countered with:- FFX world map is more realistic and thematically more sensible- CTB allows more turn order manipulation than ATB- Blitzball > card game- dual protagonist with equally interesting journey
>>740560008The thing that really pisses me off about the remakes is how overproduced the music is. Everything has to be a bombastic, grandiose version of the original track and it misses the entire point of having music in a game in the first place. There's no contrast. The chorus is always going WAHHHHHHHHHH and the strings are always playing meso forte at five billion notes per minute.
2.5
>>740561096Some of them are quite good. I liked bombing mission, flowers blooming in the church and let the battles begin
>>740556257X is still the last FF game with a great soundtrack despite it not being Uematsu’s best work. Everything after is soulless or tries too hard to remix the already good tracks from previous games.
>>740561320For all its faults, FFXIII has some good stuff
>>740561320i thought 16 was quite good
>>740561393ff13 is fucking shit. Hamazau is fucking shit
>>740561462Hamauzu has his unique style, maybe you didn't like it or just a Uematsu diehard fan
>>740561641his style is cringe and gay and retarded. He cannot even hold a candle to shitmora or mitsuda
>>740561735Still think his style has merit. He shouldn't have been one of VII remakes lead composer though
millenials seethe and still don't understand why FF7 is the main face of square enix and why it's so popular, It's the only reasonable option for confirming that "it's a great JRPG"The rest is just coping
>>740562558you people who cling to it because it's the best by sales standards are also cringy desuyou could have easily listed out its objective unique qualities which actually superseded the other FF games they like to compare it withotherwise you sounded like "it's popular because it's good" which is circular reasoning.
>>740562747VIIfags are just turbo normies that haven't played any other Final Fantasy games
>>740562747>>740562815>proves what >>740562558 is saying
>>740562815I am a VIIfag and I have played other FF games and I still find it the most complete out of them in terms of what I want in JRPGYes I acknowledged the "individual character combat identity" criticism but I still think the good outweighs the bad
>>740562927>criticism>you're just coping!!The reason why JRPG discourse is littered with subjective and dishonest takes all the time
>>740561096Holy shit this. Overproduced muddy ass soundtrack. I can't believe people don't mention this more. >>740560008All true. All too many minigames and openworld slop.
>>740563032>criticism falls into the former argument trapshut the fuck up nigge
>>740559708This is the faggiest format for something ever
>>740563146If you can't argue and just want to shout "x is the best and you can't prove it why because I don't care", don't join in the discourse
>>740563235keep yapping bitch no one cares
>>740563284Thank you for the proof.
>>740556257Man this is a solid 10/10. I played it with 16 years old in my football days and I had a blast, everytime that I replay it I have the most nostalgic feeling ever.
>>740563323>he craves the attention to be the last one to post
>>740563385Hey man if you don't want to actually argue and just want to shitpost just make another thread for it. There are lots of people like you who crave the same thing.
>>740560008>plates not killing anybody who mattersThis is the shit that pissed me off about remake and where I ultimately dropped it. The scene where the plate dropped was so fucking long and drawn out with time wasted basically everywhere. There was no sense of stakes or urgency and they were practically over explaining the situation. The original has a lot of panic, raw dramatic moments with AVALANCHE even if it was a bit truncated and a true sense of urgency. The plate drop was fucking raw and sudden, and made for a great parallel to show what AVALANCHE themselves were doing. The problem these remakes have is that they are too afraid of raw and sudden moments. Everything has this air of uncertainty, every scene just has to linger for minutes longer than it needs to, like a joke in a bad comedy movie
>>740563220Sorry I should I tweak it to use wojaks? Would that be more your speed?
>>740559765ff8 has an appeal going back because it's one of those late 90s/early 2000s early 3d era games that was very experimental. in terms of storytelling and gameplay. its not that surprising that it has more appeal that ff7, which has been aped to death 10 million times since its release. not to criticize ff7, its a victim of its own success.but its perfectly reasonable to appreciate ff8 more nowadays, i think. experimental games that get big budgets and creative control are pretty rare, so there's a novelty there
>>740563335>in my football daysWay to out yourself as brownSquare saw FIFA's popularity and wanted to tap into the shitskin market
>>740560324get that normalnigger tierlist outta here zoomieThis is a real Final Fantasy fan's tierlist.
>>740556257looking back on ffx its a very poor game but its aesthetic is just so kino. my heart will forever be on the shores of Besaid
>>740563628the "shitskins" hated blitzball turn based gameplay though
>>740559708wow i havent seen those little reactions in over a deacde. x-2 is goated tho us uncs were wrong in hating it back then>>740563220newfag tourist
>>740560324Swap 5 and 4, and 15 and 16 should be above 13.
>>740556257>It is astonishing how shit this game isYes it is it literally killede FF forever as it was used as the basis for FX13 trilogy>Linear hallway simulator>full of cutscenes>Cities and settlements are 2 screen big with 4 houses tops>temples are small and there is only a shitty puzzle in each of them
>>740563880It's true but the kids are still saying X is the best and now they are even saying XIII was great because they watched YouTube essays on both
>>740563880that's just the original release of FF4
If you can't appreciate FFX you just don't have an artistic soul and all your ancestors were probably farmers instead of warriors, poets, adventurers kings etc
>>740556257I’m a zoomer and tbis game is kino of the highest calibre>numerous optional missable dialogue conversations that flesh out the characters (wakka and Lulus boat conversations) >oozes soul at every level with an insanely cool world >great story about growing up and being above a religion ruled by coping old Jewish faggots >timeless soundtrack >great combat that suffers when doing post game things but is fun and strategically rewarding on the story play through >dozens of character interactions in battle>the romance is not cringe in the slightest and genuienly made me want to get a girlfriend Okay it’s linear, okay the VA’s have some mediocre delivery at times, so what? You faggots probably like Half life or some shit
>>740563880That's what I hate. You can tell the budget mostly went towards graphics/cutscenes, voice acting, and blitzball.Everything else suffered: plot, characters, combat systems, exploration, music, etc.
>>740564048I appreciate it but I also understand that it's shit objectivelySE doesn't even understand how to recapture it because it was likely just in the right place right time just like FF7 was when it launched with the PS1
>>740564048>warriorsI'm sure your warrior ancestors are very proud of you taking this fight to underwater basketweaving forums
>>740563880>Linear hallway simulatornot really hallways if you have puzzles desuThis is pretty nitpicky overall.
>>7405597086-10 really was the best of the bunch and an amazing run for the series
>hey, that game where you're on a pilgrimage to visit specific sites to get the Aeons you need to do the Final Summoning? Why is it so linear?Giga-brained as usual /v/
>>740564341Put 11 in there too, it was a solid mmo.
>>740556257I never actually finished ffx. I've played every other one up to then, but i just kinda stopped there
What does linear even mean? Majority of final fantasies are linear the only difference being the overworld allows you to revisit places, X has just as many optional things >weapons >spheres for anima >many many missable dialogue >jecht spheres You retards are insufferable and bitch about anything
>>740563451>Hey man if you don't want to actually argueI don't need to argue anon, the facts speaks for itself, even zoomers talk good shit about FF7, you guys are delulu boomers lolAt the end of times only one game from this franchies will remain, and you know which one is it
>>740564415>you don't understand, the dumb map was needed to support the dumb story, that's good worldbuilding
>>740563701>MMO’s in SI don’t agree with every placement on this list but you’re based for that anon
>>740564548>What does linear even mean?X and XIII are literal corridors
the graphics were so poggy when it came outI thought the hair looked like real lifeall the cinematics were good
>>740564658Your moms vagina is a corridor
Apart from to zanarkand, wandering flame, prelude and out of the frying pan I remember not liking any more tracks
>>740556257Square Enix Derangement Syndrome
>>74056141916 soundtrack was amazing
>>740563701>>740564635I'm not bothered by genre. I could even put Chocobo Racing and Dungeon games on there somewhere I'm sure. That being said, XI and XIV have some amazing stories that definitely belong amongst the greats.
>>740564793Servants of the Mountain? Besaid? Spira Unplugged? Movement in Green? Assault? Via Purifico? A Contest of Aeons?
>>740565053No
>>740564927Story alone can't put them in that category, unless that's your primary criteria of it
>>740556257If it's so bad then why did I put 500 hours into it over a month?
>>740564586You are stupid since you think any kind of criticism toward VII = hater.One can be a VIIfag and know it has its cons while also knowing it's the most complete FF in terms of JRPG goodness.
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>>740565194you can't read
>>740556860>Wakka and Lulu are essentially step-siblingsAnd yet they fuck.Final Fantasy 10: Incest is AWWWWRIGHT.
>>740565186>he fell into the endgame grind trapreal non subhuman niggers played the game until zanarkand, finished it, and put it down. Only the truly goycattle went out of their way to complete all the minigames and get all the overpowered weapons to kill the arena bosses and whatever the fuck else.
>>740564793you must be half-deaf
>VIIKino>VIIIGay>IXKino>XKino>XIIKino>XIIIKino>XIVFor retards>XVKino>XVIShit>XVI DLCKino>VIIRSo fucking bad man, how is anyone excited for more of that garbage, oh my god, some of the worst fucking shit I've ever played in my life, fucking AWFUL>DissidiaKino>TacticsKino>Crystal ChroniclesGay
>>740565353Step-siblings TO Yuna, not each other.
>>740565379Do you really need that shit for end game? Final Fantasy superbosses aren't really that insane. Even 12's Yaizmat doesn't need end-game gear, just time for the health bars.Like, I could understand the preparation for Shin Megami Tensei's super bosses because they have rules (like Elizabeth's "no almighty" in Persona 3) and a time limit (like 60-90 turns), so you have to get gear/demons to fit the rules and learn the gimmicks.But superbosses in FF are just "heal, buff, wack."
>>740565353Wait what are you talking about anon
>>740565263you keep insulting someone who want to point out the good of FF7 in a good faith instead of using popularity as an excuse. You are the one lacking literacy
>>740565523Yes to each other, Lulu was engaged to Wakka’s brotherThey were step-siblings to each other, and acted as an older sibling role to Yuna
>>740564927>>740565121I didn't say that. Those games are S rank in all aspects.
>>740566025MMO combat is even worse than Action combat
>>740565758VIIfags cannot rate the game objectivelyThey are like OoT fags. There are many much better Final Fantasy games than VII. >JRPG goodnessWhatever that means. You like anime games or something? I wouldn't even call the Final Fantasy series JRPGs, Nomura and Yoshi-P find the term derogatory and I'm inclined to agree. It's a western DnD inspired series.
>>740566090Oh you're one of those retards. Don't reply to me. Combat is combat and should be measured objectively on how well it works and its depth.
>>740565782Motherfucker, do you understand the differences between step siblings and in-laws? Begone ESL
>>740566315Oh shit yeah but that also means calling them step-siblings to Yuna doesn’t make sense so you’re just as ESL as I am
>>740566409It said ESSENTIALLY step-siblings, not literal step siblings. Go tell your teacher to fucking beat you for not paying attention in school.
>>740559708>liked 16 and 7Ryou eat shit
>>740566562If step-siblings means your parents married their parents then that makes even less senseJust admit you’re as retarded as I am
>>740566263It's absolutely reflex based and you cannot measure it to the freedom of options given to you in turn based combat.Also the fact that you can control multiple characters.
Ff7 rebirth > ff 7 > ff9 > ff6 > ff16 > complete dogshit > ff x > ff7 remake
>>7405586349 is completely fucking ruined by its combat taking 10-35 minute battles per random encounter.
Yevon bros...they keep shitting on our masterpiece.
cont. >>740566724Also the fact that you *cannot control multiple charactersr in MMO or action combat and its brethren in general
>>740556257>Didn't play it in 2001 on release>Reviewing it in 2026 post social media, gamergate, woke slop, and almost 3 decades of technological advancement>You guys are so easily impressedYou're the biggest most retardedest faggot of the year
>>740556257It's okay to dislike good games
>>740556257i've always hated ff10 as a millennial who did play it when it released. nothing about the game has any appeal to me from the simple-but-slow rock-paper-scissors combat to the characters and setting. not to mention those stupidly tedious cloister puzzles. 6 and 7 will always be the best in the series.
Was he, dare I say it, /ourguy/?
>>74055949813 did irreparable damage to the retards at Square-EnixIt fucked up literally everything that came after from 14 1.0, to versusXIII becoming 15, 15's failure leading into Forspoken, and the FF7 remake trilogy being made by the exact same fuckhead all over again.13 is the reason Square Enix will burn in hell
>>74056139313 is a fucking hallway with shitty asset flip sequels that ruined that company>>740567492
>>740567492VersusXIII was being made by Nomura, there’s a big chance even if it were complete it would be shit and not reach any of the lofty promises he gave for it15 is probably no worse than what we would have gotten
>>740565473>>VIII>Gayfiltered
>>740556257It’s based because it stopped pretending that final fantasy games weren’t linear movie games with press x to win gameplay. The end game is literally just grinding too which is the other key element to JRPG ‘gameplay’
>>7405676698 is cringe
>>740567089Play the Steam port then retard
>>740556257>I am a millennialsure you are.
Also millennial that missed it (played and loved kingdom hearts instead) and I played it after expedition 33. I absolutely loved it and if I had played it at launch it probably would have been one of those games that defined me as a person like ocarina of time does now.
