I can't go back. It's so much prettier, better written, better presentation....everything is better.
>>740559736Same. Gaiden is drastically inferior to Echoes. Sadly there's not much discussion on it.
>>740559736Proof that NES/GBC games deserve remakes more. 8-bit to 16-bit.
>>740559956>GBC
>>740559736Gaiden is great, Echoes is greater. Echoes makes many additions to the story, which I was worried about upon first hearing about it. However, after actually experiencing the story, the changes feel natural and were clearly put there for good reason. Except Conrad, he's not used nearly enough. The music is faithful. The combat is overall harder imo. The combat arts feel both natural and forced.
>>740559736Kaga would be disappointed
>>740560039GBC is 8 bit you dumbfuck
>>740559736What's worse is going back to regular Archers after the absolute HANDJOB they got in Echoes
It really is insanely well produced. But they should've made some changes to the maps and some of the gameplay. They're a drag.Love the story and the drama thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPsy-8YVOQ
>>740561365Yeah the gameplay was 90% the same except the enemy AI was smarter and the addition of combat arts
>>740561365>maps should be changedrefer to this: >>740560761Although will he though? Compared to his more famous works Gaiden maps are even worse than Sacred Stones. So maybe he wants to fix it?
>>740559736I did this last month, I enjoyed Gaiden significantly more. Echoes takes the nes repetitiveness and 10x it.16>1>2>7>8>13>14>5>4>3>6>15>17
>>740560398Started strong, and story and characters are much better. I just felt the farther I went the less soul it had, and the crypt battles killed it for me. I got 90% dropped it at gargoyle fight #196. I just couldn't.
>>740559736Hidari inspired me to take up drawing, his art is so good.
>>740562030I personally disagree. I found Echoes way more fun. Also is that Durandal Lyn?
>>740562208What even is 'soul'?
I liked echoes except for the dungeons. those were total shit.
>>740563227I like the dungeons, but they could've done more with it. However they clearly don't have much material to work with, since Gaiden dungeon maps are even worse.Also actually wished Three Houses got exploration too continuing from what Echoes had
>>740562535damn those colours are great
i've yet to try echoes, but i was surprised at the cool sprite animations in gaiden. the ninja class or whatever it was called looked sick in action. surprisingly very stylized despite the limited movement, and i somewhat prefer it to FE4/5's battle animations in some ways
>>740562878For me its anything that illicites a sence of relaxation. If when I view it I admire the beauty, want to drink some scotch there and take a nap, its got soul. Gaidens original pub with 80s wall paper and a fall down drunk one eyed mercenary Id love to go there order a beer and chill. The pub in Echoes did not look comfy, I looked for items, did the recruitment, and never thought about it again.
>>740562807Don't know, just someone posted it and I liked the tits! I played Echoes after Gaiden so maybe I was burnt out. If it got rid of 90% of the undead and gargoyle fights it be 10x better.
>>740562878A buzzword that means "it's better/worse because it just is"
>>740559736Riddle me this. Im playing 14 and its ok but plot and dialogue is garbage. How does the same franchise that made 8, 13, and 16 also make 14 and 17?
>>740563981Are you implying Awakening had good writing?
>>740563981>8, 13, and 16*LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER*
>>740564035Yea I liked it. It was good enough and than the ending knocked it out of the park. Im assuming your talking 13.Im posting this for my own reference. I cant remember if it was 13 or 14 that saved the franchise.
>>740564107Im going yo ask you your top 3 based on story and than you are just not going to answer are you?
>>740563981I don't think 8 is good writing desu
>>740563517Fully agree, Everything but the knights, which looked cool but fought like old people fuck. Worse a night on night fight took 10 rounds of this snail race.
>>740562878I'd say when you can tell the creators tried their best.
>>740564356FE5 > FE4 > FE15
>>740563981Different writers and development teams.
>>740559736>It's so much prettier, better written, better presentation....everything is betterFunny how you couldn't mention gameplay and map design.
>>740563981>>740564204Would it really kill you to just mention the name of the game?
>>740564750I just dont know. Im playing 14 right now and have zero clue what its called. I look it up to download the rom than never think about any title again.
>>740564682Gameplay is overall better, but map design is basically identical. The biggest flaw with the original wasn't changed one bit.
>>740564987Love this game but this has to be my least favourite map of all time.
>>740564921Is it the one with the dragon and the sword guy? Oh and there's magic.
>>740559736Just got SoV Echoes & Awakening on Citra 3DS.But I also just purchased Unicorn Overlord when it was on sale for my Switch 2.Which is better between these, the two Fire Emblem games or Unicorn Overlord?
>>740562030Her tits really jiggle that much during gameplay?
>>740566540I'd say FE is overall better, but Unicorn Overlord is great
>>740562535Did you learn to draw like him? I've used that style with AI, I like it too.
>>740566540UO is an autobattler (nothing wrong with this)
>>740566815Cool, thanks anon.>>740566979I know, I was just wondering which of those choices is the better game to play first.
>>740567053Well personally UO is easier to finish than the FE games. There is no worry of permadeath
>>740567135There's fucking permadeath in FE? I did not know that damn
>>740567407Have you not played it?
>>740567407The two games you downloaded have the option to turn it off if it scares you that much. It's usually a core part of the experience and I'd encourage you to try playing with it but the series stopped being ironman friendly right around Awakening anyway.
>>740567407Well I forgot you can actually opt out of permadeath in the games you mentioned (Echoes & Awakening)But ofc that also gives you less of the full experience
>>740567683Nope, never played a single FE. Just randomly decided to try them after looking up which games had the best story. A couple in the top were a bit too dated for my taste, except for Three Houses, Echoes & Awakening.
>>740566540Different strengths. Unicorn Overlord had the best dialogue in the industry, good sexo characters, and a fun map to explore with soul >>740563537. Game itself is meh. Id recomend doing a no item run otherwise it gets way too easy.Ultimately it doesnt matter, you got some good gaming ahead of you.>>740566620Mod
why is FE9 so damn easy?
>>740568063They made 8 and 9 overly easy for the gaijins who were just getting into the series now that it was getting localized.
>>740568063first nuFE on home console
>>740568120That's weird, because I actually had a hard time with 8 in some areas. In FE9 I'm just steamrolling things. The combo of early promotions, forged weapons and minimal brave/killer weapons make most conflicts trivial.
>>740567407Permadeath is what got me into this gay ass autistic series. Having your choices matter makes gaming 10x better. After Engage killed my 3 Houses love with cringe I started at 1 and just played blinde till a game over than moved on to the next one. Its been fun.
>>740568063Why is 9 $300 is the real question. I was going to buy it till I went to ebay.
>>740568216It's also because the localization removed FE9's hardest difficulty and replaced it with an Easy Mode. So there was a mode that actually is somewhat challenging but only in the Japanese version.
>>740568272I'm playing on an emulator, but I originally bought it when I was a kid. I guess it was a pretty good investment.Still got my old gamecube too.
>>740568063It's just FE7 on gamecube
>>740565094Echoes did improve this map because Genny (and all other saints) gained the ability to heal adjacent allies each turn.It’s not much, but it makes the swamp a lot less frustrating.
>>740568049>Unicorn Overlord had the best dialogue in the industryAbsolutely not. Decent or adequate at best>fun map to explore with soulAbsolutely not. Fillerslop.The AI customization and class variety is its strong points.
>>740568783What did you think of Engages dialogue?
>>740568645Best healer in the series. Carried me in Gaiden and titilated me in the remake.
How would you guys design a hard mode?
Hey buddy take a load off, relax Guy!
>>740568887Engage biggest negatives is the writing quality, not the dialogue itself. And even so using Engage/Fates/Awakening as comparison is a low hanging fruit. Why not Three Houses?
>>740568969I find this franchises biggest issue is the best thing you can do is lean on 4 characters to do everything. Makes it too easy and boring. I dont know how you fix that?Somthing like Unicorn Overlord or FE5 where characters get tired is somthing but doesnt quite cut it.
>>740568969Enemies have higher stats, better AI and better skills. Enemy placement varies slightly. Some maps gaining additional objectives. Additional tools to combat the increased difficulty, though nothing that trivializes it.
>>740566540>pirated 2 tendie games>but not the third>>740568969halve exp gain+1 enemy per formation+2 enemies per reinforcements+5 to all stats per enemy-5 to weapon durability+10 to all stats per boss+2 skills per enemy (randomized)-10% to each growth rate for all units
>>740569138>writing quality, not the dialogue itself. Those are the same to me. Im just trying to figure out where you are comming from as I dont think the UO writing was good, I think its the best a game has ever had. What they said could have been better, how they said it was the standard I wish all gaming would adopt going forward. Whoever translated it did it perfectly. I truly dont understand how you could not of loved it.
>>740569202Please never cook again.
>>740559736I loved the art style for this game and I still feel disappointment it didn't become the default Fire Emblem art-style going forward. Its just so visually appealing to me. The way the characters/weapons/armor/monsters/world/ect looks is just perfect. Hell I even think the shitty 3DS character models mog the shit we got on Switch.
>>740559736Except the gameplay still stinks, Echoes somehow managed to have worse gameplay than the first game on NES
>>740568969Leave everything exactly the same but just use real probabilities instead of the bullshit fake probabilities all the games post-FE5 use which skew everything in the player's favor.
>>740569596too hard, sissy?
>>740568965Genny is prime gap moe, she’s shy and demure but will easily slaughter anyone she looks at funny thanks to her 60% Atk growth. Easy best girl.
>>740569608Fire Emblem has never had a default artstyle, it always changes.
>>740565094I didn't think it was too bad in echoes. Send the pegs to the top of the map to pull all of the gargoyles while the rest of your team slowly walks across and fights everything else.
>>740569887that doesnt take away from what he said nerd
>>740569608I like that they always change it. 3H looks muted but it was what it needed for the game, Engage looks like a clown cummed on another clown with clown cum, but it worked. Only style I did not like was 3/4/5. Fuck 3 especially for killing the 80s lazer gun vibes.
>>740559736i can confirm the original gaiden is ass and the remake is better. celica's brother is a stupid addition though.
>>740568969harder wins conditions.- survive x turns -> increase the number of turns- defeat boss -> give it a better weapon/skills- escape -> add more enemies/map pressureKeep overall balance intact, don't reduce exp gain or rewards.Try to avoid enemy stat inflation and focus on encounter design instead with more simultaneous threats.More map activity = more decision-making + smarter unit placement required (the goal is to add stuff that can't be solved just by grinding levels)
>>740569978After Gaiden I was ready but my first time seeing it I did not have any promoted Pegasus to one shot. It took me 2 hours to slowly grinde the win.I said it was the worst map ever, that one in tactics where the guy kills the girl giving you a game over before you even move is worse, and I remember Breath of Dragon 5 Dragon Quarter had some awful maps, but that has to be top 10 of all time and worste in the franchise.And than you do it again!
>>740569682Worse? How so?
>>740569726Ok but plus 10 for bosses is more than enough to make many fights borderline impossible
>>740569978Shame all the Pegasus Knights are absolute dogshit.
>>740570168Yeah he felt kinda tacked on and extremely underused
>>740564204Awakening was the worst written game in the series when it released, and then they released Fates right after which took that crown immediately.Same writter btw, she also wrote Engage which also had dogshit writing.
>>740570642184 undead and gargoyle battles. The worst is they not only made way way more of the same repetitive shit, but added side quests so you can walk through even more graveyards incase 184 undead and gargoyle battles was not enough. I dropped it in the final tower, I just could not do a tower full of undead.
>>740570849I can't wait for FW!
>>740570314This. Enemies probably should still be stronger, but it shouldn't be a massive gap. Just 2-3 points at most earlygame. 5-6 after that
>>740559736It's easily my favorite FE. Everything about this game is gorgeous. I desperately wish it worked well in Azahar. I can't wait for that day to come
>>740570849Engage isn't that bad, but the other two are shit.>>740570870Wasn't the original like that minus the side quests? Also the undead battles are quick, and there's enough monster variety that you won't get bored.
>>740566320No, it's the one with the wyvern and the blade fella. Oh and there's sorceries.
>>740570849Awakening was Shonen but I thought they hit the spot well. It felt like Demon slayer. Fates and Engage though, wtf. Blown away its that same chick.
>>740571204Every crypt had one battle and one battle only. At the start its 20 slimes doing repetitive ping damage so it was its own special hell but at least it was one and done.Both games I found were overall good but at their worst with repetitiveness.
>>740568969like>>740569148said the problem with difficulty is that most challenges can be solved by throwing your big stat guy at them. to make the game harder you would have to force player to deploy weaker units and then force them to use them instead of hiding in the corner.>>7405700383h looks fucked up, like they accidentally rendered the grafix with preview lighting.
uhhh how do you prevent this?
>>740573518-ACK
>>740562878it's the feeling that even in a flawed work you can tell the developers put their passion into it
>>740563537>illicites a sence of relaxationKaga games aren't soul then, but I still hold them to the highest regard among FE games.
>>740573518You got a rescue from Maribelle chapter no?
>>740575131*Before Maribelle Chapter
>>740572492Then perhaps taking Thracia's fatigue system to force the player to rotate units?Or maybe a scaling system?
>>740574107Usually.
>>740574563SOUL is when you can sense the creator’s individuality through their work and Kaga games are a prime example of this, the guy poured his whole heart into his creations. You can see his growth as a creator in every new title, he had no problem experimenting and taking the risk of creating frustrating experiences. The result isn't perfect but that's what makes it great, modern FE could never.
>>740575414Yeah if you mean having soul being the creator vision bleeding into every part of the game I can agreeI'm just using his definition of 'soul'
>>740562878Soul is when I play an old clunky shitty game and pretend to like it for street cred by larping about how the game being bad is the whole point
>>740575131I couldn't figure out how to get anyone into range to use it safely. I had to keep restarting until he got lucky enough to not die for a few turns. this chapter was pretty hard because of the same turn reinforcements + enemies I thought were static starting to move, but I managed to get through somehow. I even got a master seal for sallya and a speedwing to use on someone from a random shop that appeared on the map. I also got sumia to s rank with frederick so chrom's virginity is safe for another 2 chapters, but according to my rules now I can't use fred as a backpack anymore so I'm losing a lot of power.
>>740577087it must be miserable being this cynical
>>740559736I enjoyed Echoes a lot back when I first played it. A shame that it's just not very replayable though.
>>740568969>Better enemy skills/ equipment>Tougher enemy formations (but keep the number of enemies about the same)>Tighter objectives (maybe a soft turn limit of sorts)>Maybe throw in a few twists to map mechanics like fe7 HHM does on occasion with Kishinua warping out early and the desert becoming Fog of War>Stats can be a bit higher but not the stupid degree they are in a lot of FE hard modesThose would be the main things. I fell like the series has dabbled with most these things individually but has never put them all together
>>740577252Great Job.
>>740559736The game just oozes style. Definitely the entry with the best presentation in the series
>>740569202Posts like these are why /v/ should never make an FE game
>>740559736do you guys ever get burned out on fire emblem?so many levels of the same gameplay per game, and in the modern fire emblem you have to do all social shit in between chapters. watching like 15 support conversations that are each 7 minutes long gets exhausting in between every chapter
>>740559736and it still sucks
fire emblem
>>740560398why did they add cucked and betrayed faye tho
>>740578970>do you guys ever get burned out on fire emblem?No. At least I sm doing like my 4th Fates all routes playthrough (Harem mod) and will start my 7th Engage run (Will try new OCs).Modding makes FE so replayable.
>>740581896can you link the fates harem mod? sounds worth a replay
>>740582778https://gbatemp.net/threads/fire-emblem-fates-polyamory-patch-wip.423852/Though I have been having issues getting it to activate the gay children.The vid posted worked for some reason but trying the newest patched ROM of the japanese version doesn't seem to work as well.So you should probably get gay Fates ver 0.4.1 (There is a link in the page), play the game using the one with unlocked child paralogues, get the women, then replace the gamedata bin with the poly patch and then you should be set.I tried marrying Kaze and Silas then didn't get the paralogue. I saved and applied the paralogue unlocker but Midori Paralogue didn't activate so don't try that.Also note that the one who appears in the house is seemingly determined by who you marry last except Hinoka who seems to have max priority regardless of order.
