Why is FF8 not as popular/critically acclaimed as FF7?
>>740574360Because it's the second worst square soft FF (after 2)
>>740574360FF7 beginning = legendaryFF8 beginning = doesnt know if it wants to be a pseudo MGS/Syphon Filter, has cool music but feels like a long tutorial instead of being epic like FF7's beginning
because it filters sub 90 IQ cattle
>>740574360Its my favorite FF. But, junction system is ass.
dieselpunk was more attractive than a more contemporary + scifi setting, environmentalist themes struck more chords, a revamp of the esper system was less intuitive and all around worse than the materia system
>>740574360it's God Tier but Hate Squalls outfit and the Mental Fruit Club Ding Donged up the outfits because they were supposedly too sexy in the remaster somebody find out who these fruits are that Ding Donged up Games they Never even played
>>740574360my playstation kept freezing from the fmvs combind with the game
>>740574360Because it simply wasn't a good game to play.Had everything going for it except a good gameplay system.
>>740574360>Level up>Game gets harder>Level up too much>Can't beat the gameSuch a stupid fucking combat and level up system. The story and character etc are fine, but what the fuck were they thinking with the actual gameplay? If any FF needs a remake, it's this one.Also, fuck the long ass summon animations.
FF8's story was stupid, the brooding moody protag was stupid and the villain was introduced at the very end of the game, right before you fight her, which was also very stupid.
>>740576279ThisThe level scaling system is fucking retarded
>>740574498It's better than FF3
>>740574360FF8 disc 1 and 2 = best jrpg ever. Dollet, abducting president Deling, assassination of the witch, prison break, garden war. All kino as fuckFF8 disc 3 and 4 = most retarded shit. All party members actually grew up together but got amnesia! monsters from the moon! It was just too much
>>740574360FF8 needs more IQ to be appreciated
>>740576961nothing is kino about a jrpg stuck in the era where Sony thought every game had to be military/secret ops shit
>>740574360I like it its just ff7 was such a leap forward even a better game isn't really all that impressive.
>>740574360FF7 is not a good game, it never was. But it came out exactly when millennials were peaking so they think it's great, but it's just timing and anything that came out that time would be their nostalgic obsession.Same reason people think D&D 3.5e was the best despite it being probably the worst edition of D&D, little millennials had their first taste of ttrpg with 3.5e and it imprinted. In other words, if FF8 and FF7 swapped release dates, FF8 would be the one getting the remakes.
FF7 was just so mind blowing and left such an impression on gamers that FF8 was simply destined to disappoint.
>>740574360Because it's terrible from every angle.Shit characters in a shit story with shit mechanics. It genuinely baffles me why people even like the game.
>>740577103it would not.ff7 just gets you immersed. ff8 starts with a long tutorial followed by random military missions that impressed people that watched late 90s movies. ff7 aged better
>>740574360People decided to hype 7 for some reason. 8 doesn't need hype. 8 is a good game.
>>740577208Your opinion is not based on anything empirical and is entirely nostalgic hypnosis because you were fresh out of the womb when ff7 was making the rounds.
>>740577103>Same reason people think D&D 3.5e was the best despite it being probably the worst edition of D&D, little millennials had their first taste of ttrpg with 3.5e and it imprinted.Worse than 5e?
>>740574498>>740574634>>740575417>>740576279>>740576468>>740576472>>740577205Filtered.
>>740576279>>can’t beat the gameHow fucking retarded do you have to be to be unable to beat a Final Fantasy game? Every enemy has a scaling cap.
>>740577014The military/spec ops angle of 8 was one of the best parts of it and if anything, I wish there was more of it rather than it falling into the background come disc 3.
>>740577613Let me tell you about Dirge of Cerberus.
>>740576279>Level up>Game gets harder>Level up too much>Can't beat the gameThis is falseboss levels are capped (and the caps are all really low relative to the level you could have, too)encounters in the final dungeon are also level randomized and not level scaledpeople who parrot this nonsense never actually played the game
>>740574498Is like the 3rd best selling non-MMO FF game of all time. >>740574634nah VIII went for "learning magic in highschool" comfy vibes at the start. its biggest crime isnt having the opening at Balamb Garden go longer. Like a couple of other missions THEN the Dollet mission would've been cool.
>>740576279>Level up too much>Can't beat the gameLevel scaling or not, every FF game is painfully easy. This is only an issue if you play Ragnarok mod on Brutal difficulty, and by that point you've probably played 8 so many times you know exactly how to break the game and which mechanics to exploit to try and stand a chance
>>740576961Yeah I always felt like Disc 3 and 4 were really rushed to meet a deadline or massive sections had to be cut for time/space. The pacing changes completely in Disc 3 and you feel like you're constantly being pushed into the next cuhrazzzzy encounter.
>>740577261Eh the problem there was 4e was very time consuming, rules-heavy and clunky even for a D&D game (an already time consuming, rules-heavy and clunky system). People liked 3.5e cuz 4 was shit and 1/2 were too old and had fuck all supplementary content.
>>740575239I remember one day my disc kept freezing right here at the beginning
>>740574360it's just worse. the really underrated one is FF6. it's popular, yes, but it should be much more. it's the one that should be getting the remakes
>>740579165That’s exactly what happened behind the scenes. Square was split between FFVIII, Xenogears and Spirits Within and it meant compromises were made on all 3. The Laguna sections in particular are where you feel the cuts the heaviest.People don’t talk enough about the fact that Sakaguchi had an inflated ego from his success and became overly ambitious as a result.
>>740574360Junctions were cool, but there are several points throughout the game where all of your junctions are wiped on every character and you have to spend 10 minutes fucking around in the menus trying to remember who had what. It was annoying. And aside from Squall, not really any memorable characters. Quistis was just abandoned halfway through as a character. Also, the story was total nonsense. Time loops are gay.
>>7405795106 is overrated, not underrated. It’s a buggy mess of a game that’s primarily praised for being slightly edgier relative to other SNES games that came out at the time. 1, 8 and 12 are the true underrated FFs.
>>740574360>instant drop into raid on reactor with battlesvs>heres how to junction your girlfriend now go to class
>>740579510ff6 remake would be so kino if they made it properly turn based
>>740574360FF8 has a pretty bad story, it's just a blatant fact. Also the junction system was just awful to use.
>>740579510IV deserves a remake. Cecil and Kain are way more memorable than...uh...whoever the fuck the main character of VI is.
>>740579640it's popular, but deserves more imo >buggy messi played it on gameboy advance, had 0 issues. >>740579913maybe, i just think the visuals could give so much more value with today's graphics
>>740580101>maybe, i just think the visuals could give so much more value with today's graphicsit would be kino as fuck if it was with pre-rendered backgrounds like ff7, but that will never happen
>>740579929Junctions are the material system with magic. No idea why it filtered so many people (aside from maybe the tutorials make it sound more complicated than it actually is).
>>740579229What does that have to do with 5e?
FF8 requires a relatively high IQ to appreciate. Unlike FF7, which was precision-tailored to appeal to even the retardest of retards.
both are very good.normies latch on to ff7 more because its more western in its norse themes and gritty early game envirornment with a plot misinterpreted as being pro environment/anticaptalist. that, junction, and the self fulfilling prophecy of lpopular game getting more popular
>>740574360https://youtu.be/XyBensMp_MAThe intro is goated for sure
>>740580487>No idea why it filtered so many peopleLot of retards honestly thought the only way to get spells was to grind for 5-10 hours at the start of the game spamming Draw on random mobs. Summoning GFs to kill enemies is an early noobtrap, so lot of noobs spend their early GF's AP lvling up damage/HP instead of refining skills. It isnt helped by melee just being really overpowered in 8 and magic just generally being shit. compared to doing 9999x3 dmg that autoheals you every turn. Mods fix a lot of the balance issues with the Junction system and the cheesability of some of the bosses (like 3 of them you can 1-shot by just using a Phoenix Down).
>>740574360All I care is that I loved it
>>740574360crazy how square fucks up every remaster of ff. don't think there has been a good one
It filtered the retards.
>>740580487It's horribly imbalanced and breaks the game completely. I like that you could do funny shit like that but once you figure it out the already easy game gets really boring.
>>740574360ff7 shouldnt be critically acclaimed either
>>740581141ff derangement syndrome
>>740579929FF8 has a bad story, but it has great LoreIm not even kidding, the backstory shit is neat and it pulls a fuckton of worldbuilding and small details like Adels message during the Timber Broadcast and teh stuff about Witches basically being immortal but passing their powers on so they can die in peace is cool too, that's the sad thing with VIII, the world and setting is actually really cool but loads of it is missable or easy to ignore going through the main plot, or easyl gloss over when the main plot brings it up.>>740580487It's cause Draw and Level Scaling makes it an Autism filter, Some Autismos Draw all spells to cap and then get the "Elixir Effect" about EVER casting any of them because "IT GONNA DROP MY STATS!" and then keeps the level low because they think the monsters levelling up is bad (It isn't, it upgraes their drops and conversely the magic you can Refine). VIII is both and Autists Paradise (if they figure out Triple Triad and that the key is Card and Item Refining, NOT Draw) and Hell (If they are too dull to think beyond "I MUST DRAW FIRE TO CAP IN THE FIRST BATTLE I SEE IT IN!").
>>740581459oh zoomers are entering the phase where they start to think differentiating story and plot is intellecutal huh
>>740581459You don't even need to endlessly draw. Just get a few good triple triad cards and level the refine spells on the GFs and you can make 300 triples before the first quest and one shot everything.
>>740581459I remember the good old days, figuring out that leveling made enemy levels also go up, restarting and then getting to the end of the game with barely any level ups because every time I was about to kill a normal enemy, I just turned it into a card instead to only get AP from it.God damn I was stupid back then, but eh, I guess it did keep me entertained until the very end of the game. I never actually beat the final boss.
>>740574360back in the day it was because FF8 wasnt FF7 2most people had never heard of FF until 7 released on PS1 (it was heavily marketed)as far we knew, there couldve been 6 previous games featuring cloud, tifa and the gang
>>740574360It's 10/10 in atmosphere and that's the only thing that counts in video games.
>>740576279>>740576472literally one of the easiest games ever made. scaling system is largely irrelevant. try playing the game before talking shit about it>can't beat the gamecongratulations, you are worse than a video game journalist
>>740581459> the world and setting is actually really cool but loads of it is missableAnd its made worse by most of the world being pretty fucking empty for an RPG
>>740581536I mean it more as backstory and world building, with small details that Theory Baits, Like Ultima Weapon possibly being the King that demanded Hynes power (Effectively being the other half of Hyne while the Sorceresses are the other one). GFs being memory eaters IS a cool detail, but it being used for "We were all at the same orphanage" is also pretty lame. That kind of split.>>740581601Exactly.>>740581632I can't exactly blame you for it, and a lot of discourse back then did spread misinformation how it worked and people were telling eachother that was "optimal". Another note is that Devouring enemies at high levels (IIRC 60+) gives statboosts too, depending on the enemy, which destroys the "Keep levels low so you can use Abilities that give stats on level up" argument.Don't get me wrong, VIII is a mess of throwing random shit on the wall with things like the largely irrelevant Salary mechanic, but i think that's what makes it interesting.
>>740574360Still mogged 9 tho
>>740582251It was probably the "throw random shit on the wall and see what sticks" that lost me by the end. Back then I had also gotten my hands on some other RPGs that were way more straightforward in their mechanics like Legend of Legaia, the Tales of- games for PS1 and not to mention FF9, so I just tossed FF8 aside.
>>740582251>the largely irrelevant Salary mechanicI loved the idea of your performance in missions and battles affecting your SeeD rank, which affected your salary. If the game wasn’t so generous will Gil, I think it would have been even better.
>>740582781Mods fix a lot of that stuff at the expense of making the game WAY harder. I tried playing Ragnarok mod on Hard Mode and got as far as the first Laguna "Lunatic Pandora" section before I gave up on trying to clear it legit. And to get to that point was like 20 or 25 attempts to be Fire Cavern kind of masochism.
>>740582781I remember it was largely made irrelevant by the fact that you could easily farm and grind up your SeeD rank. But I forgot how.
>>740576279>>740576472Why lie on the internet for no money?
>>740574360>>740578967Yeah, the GARDEN setting is the premise that sold the game. Too much of what happens outside of it or direct SEED missions, is just a fucking mess.I'm not too bothered by the Ultimecia stuff though, because most FFs can't hold their shit together in the endgame anyway. It's just a persistant problem squeenix has a hard time getting past. I think once they get that far, the director starts furiously jerking off to superboss ideas and just stops paying attention to the game proper.
>>740583295Type 0 did the academy thing well and the final boss isn't an assault.
>>740583295>I'm not too bothered by the Ultimecia stuff though, because most FFs can't hold their shit together in the endgame anyway. It's just a persistant problem squeenix has a hard time getting past. I think once they get that far, the director starts furiously jerking off to superboss ideas and just stops paying attention to the game proper.I still love the games but you hit the nail on the head here kek.Final Fantasy 9 is my favorite mainline FF and it literally falls apart at the last disc.
>>740583019It was suprisingly complicated under the hood.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197343-final-fantasy-viii/faqs/19029Like for years there was Disinfo that Summoning negatively impacted (Lowered) the points when it was actually that it doesn't count the kills and not an negative.
>>740583295>because most FFs can't hold their shit together in the endgame anywayPeople forget that basically every FF game has a really retarded story in the last half that makes basically no sense. The bad FF games have a retarded story in the first half too. XI: Chains of Promathia is the only one that wasnt completely pants-on-head-retarded but its problem was just adding more and more sub-plots/characters until shit got messy and they had to resort to killing god to fix it.
>>740574360They didn’t kill off Squall or Rinoa like they did for Aerith.Probably would’ve been redundant. FF7 really left big shoes to fill but who cares. I still love it more personally.
Squall is literally me
>>740576901It’s better than FF9.
>>740583565You have girls literally fawning all over you everywhere you go?
>>740583654Yea except that part
>>740583693That remaster or remake looks so bad it's hilarious.Why do people chose to play this instead of emulating the original?
>>740574634>>740577029>>740577128>>740577208say what you will about FF8, FF9 or hell even FF6 but at least they didn’t have this problem like pic related. Here’s a moment where FF6 shines over FF7. Where Final Fantasy VI had unified its sprite sheets between overworld and combat (remember when Locke had to disguise himself as a merchant and then an Imperial soldier? They were using NPC sprites in combat!), FF7 needed to "revert" to using separate character models in the overworld (low poly, with a "sprite-like" aesthetic) vs. combat (high poly, realistically proportioned), which -- again -- precluded them from using the actual combat scene for anything beyond (some degree of) actual combat. Sure, you had the flashback with Sephiroth as a party member one-shotting monsters that were clearly beyond Cloud's experience level, and that final Omnislash to finish Sephiroth off for good, but that was nothing compared to what FF6 was doing before it. FF7 definitely took one step back for every two steps forward. Thankfully Square managed to turn those steps back around with FF8 and FF9 using the same character models for both in and out of battles. Compare the character models between FF8/FF9 with FF7. Night and day difference, looks like entirely different console generations. Don’t even bring up the remakes because that’s cheating.
>>740583795That bogged down the speed of the gameplay, 7 has the fastest battle starts of the PS1 games there's no long panning hidden loading bullshit.
>>740574360Because it wasn't the first 3D/PS1 FF. Unironically the reason.
>>740583778cuz its like $5 on Steam and you can just click it and it works, and it's got some mod support.
>>740574360It did have critical acclaim. Let’s not even pretend like ecelebs didn’t have a big hand in this being shunned. It hasn’t been until lately that people are starting to turn around on it.
>>740574360because it sucks shit.next.
>>740579545People also don’t talk enough about this mechanic that was only in 6 and 7, never to be a mainstay moving forward.
>>740579640>6 is overrated, not underratedIf that were the case FF6 would be getting all the love from square stop being dumb and lying to yourself. We all know FF7 is the TRUE overrated golden goose. Hell Cloud was the first SQEX character to get into Smash Bros and funnily enough Bartz and Terra were considered at the time before Cloud.
>>740574360Because 8 sucked and 7 was GOAT. What other mysteries can I unravel for you while I'm here?
>>740583778It's a sequel.
>>740581035It really did.
>>740574360It arrived too early to exploit the military school anime drama trend at its peak.
>>740581459>if they figure out Triple Triad and that the key is Card and Item Refining, NOT DrawDraw is only good for getting GFs and spells from certain bosses that are rare.Pic related is FFVIII's junction system, along with the Guardian Forces, forms the basis for a character's role in combat. For instance, Shiva offers a lot of defensive bonuses, which gives a character more survivability (tank), while Ifrit will boost a character's STR, making them a stronger physical attacker (melee). In anticipation for when the FFVIII HD Remaster came out, this is a simple(ish) chart of the Guardian Forces to help with junctioning them to characters at a glance, in order to craft the kind of desired roles.
>>740586618>LCKLick?
>>740574360FF8's world feels very comfy, especially Balamb Garden. But I think the plot flew over everyone's heads, especially for literal kids playing it at the time.
>>740586941Kids also couldn't grasp FF7s plot. But attractive characters, kino atmosphere and nice visuals are enough.FF8 has all of that.
>>740582364Despite 9 being a so-called “return to form” I felt it took too many steps back and I still feel that same way even revisiting it recently. It’s too much to list but my least favorite thing about FF9 is the pace and load times of battles think Mario & Luigi Brothership. FF9 is also an autism game if you’re banking on Zidane getting all steallables from bosses which it will take FOREVER because Zidane is your only thief and he sucks at the role.My favorite part about FF9 is probably the FMVs I forgot how many there actually were. And Vivi of course who I consider the true main protagonist, so much so that he got to be in Kingdom Hearts 2.
>>740587108>my least favorite thing about FF9 is the pace and load times of battlesSpeed it up with your emulator you fucking retard.
>>740574360Because Rinoa and Squall just weren't interesting enough to carry the shit romance plot. I think if Laguna was the main character from start to finish it'd be way more fun.
>>740587108QRD on Amarant?
>>740577839If you lvl up too fast your equipment and your junction fell off compared to the enemies scaling from levels. Yes, its balance out at the end game but its definitely harder if you didn't know fuck all about junctioning; aka everybody first playthrough.
>>740587347Anyways why is his name Amarant when his Japanese name is literally "Saramandā Kōraru" aka Salamander Coral?
>>740584896True. Spoony did a lot to damage the game’s reputation, which is hilarious in hindsight, because Spoony is now a schizo that no one takes seriously and Expedition 33 was a game made by FF8 fans that won GOTY.
>>740587364Being punished for not learning how the game’s systems work seems like good game design to me.
the girls aren't as memorable or hot
>>740581932Playing it now yeah its easy to understand. At 7 years old? Drawing to get magic to then junction to actually get strong was a foreign concept coming from 7 but other JRPGs too. Ontop of that, these days you just play Triple Triad, use the summons skill you learn to refine cards into items then into spells to then junction. IIRC there is a way to get 99 Tornado super early and just speed through the game I just can't remember which NPC has the card that turns into Tornado.
>>740587775>At 7 years old?There is literally a mandatory tutorial once you get out of the Ifrit cave.
>>740574360Nearly 50% of the FF playerbase at that point came from starting with VII, so they didn't understand VIII at all. OG's like it just fine.
>>740587909>Nearly 50% of the FF playerbase at that point came from starting with VII, so they didn't understand VIII at all.How did they "understand" FF7?Seems to me they never liked FF in the first place and just "liked" 7 because of all the marketing.
It had a great ad campaign.I was hyped as a kid for the game when I saw Rin-Wa in the flower field looking all cute.But, the game is tedious if you dont abuse junctions and too easy if you card farm early on and transform those good cards into end game spells.You can get cure 3 quake flare x99 within the first hour of playing cards if you know what you are doing. Double that with the facts. The facts being that doing random encounters are detrimental and can potentially put you in difficulty levels well beyond the means of an enjoyable time if you choose not to run. Then shuffle your mind over to the sappy story with no reall payoff.
>>740588230The lack of level scaling in 7 meant they could just grind through every challenge. At least in 8, you need grinding + junction knowledge to get overpowered.
>>740588230You misunderstand - FF7 is the game that brought JRPGs to the masses, no joke. People who didn't even know what an RPG was played 7 because that's how huge it was at the time. Your personal feelings about the game are irrelevant, it is the game that culturally broke through. Fast forward to 8 coming out and you have a very mixed playerbase of OG FF players and the new contingent who only played 7.
>>740588548>FF7 is the game that brought JRPGs to the massesFF6 and Chrono Trigger exist.I fucking hate you zoomers.
>>740588306>You can get cure 3 quake flare x99 within the first hour of playing cardHow?
>>740588306Is this true though?I can level scaling exists in 8, but does the game really get "balls to the wall" hard when you grind levels?
>>740588689Anon, those were certainly big for their time but come on now. There is no way you were actually sentient in 1997 and don't understand. I don't even fucking like FF7 but you would have had to have been blind and ignorant to ignore how much it increased the scope of the JRPG playerbase practically overnight.
>>740588689The PS1 was many people’s first console (myself included) 6 and CT are only known by people who grew up in the 80’s-early 90’s and also owned a SNES instead of a Genesis. >>740588869No. People who claim it does are just bad at the game.t. One-shot Ultima Weapon with one Lionheart at level 97.
>>740587404I dunno about you but I always renamed him to Faggot so he can say "Some people call me the Flaming Faggot" and Zidane replies with "Fine, we'll just call you Faggot." and that made me laugh. He's a non-character anyway so at least serving as comedic relief gave him a role.
>>740574360Because its poorly written garbage with the odd madman's glimmer of genius here or there. FFVIII comes off as a bizarre confusing fever dream in the end. Whereas FFVII felt like a nice emotional and coherent dark sci-fi story with a satisfying conclusion.
>>740589346>Because its poorly written garbageWhy do you have to talk like a overly dramatic hysterical woman on tiktok?
>>740588792Can't remember the cure or quake ones off the top of my head, but for flare you essentially need to farm ruby dragon cards from one of the Quistis groupies, turn those into inferno fangs or whatever they were called via Quetzal's card mod and then use Ifrit's fire magic refine ability to turn those into flares. I believe you needed like 10 cards for a single fang, so if you wanted an entire stack of flare it was like 50 cards lmao.
>>740588689As someone who was from that era when FF6 and CT were big on SNES, they were fucking nothing compared to when PS1 came out, not to mention what happened when FF7 was released. Now we can argue that the roots for JRPG are on Chrono Trigger, FF6 etc. other RPG games on the SNES and even as far as NES, but it really hit it big from PS1 era onwards.
>>740574360FF games suck in general and people only gave a shit about FF7 because it had FMVs that were impressive at the time to the console audience.
>>740589652>I believe you needed like 10 cards for a single fang, so if you wanted an entire stack of flare it was like 50 cards lmao.So>You can get cure 3 quake flare x99 within the first hour of playing cardsIs just pure bullshit again huh
>>740574360Rinoa, Irvine, Zell and Selphie are very bland characters. And that's most of your party.
>>740574360Because they dont understand it. After finishing the Dollet Radio tower in the first hour you can have five GF's and unlock card, mug, almost every magic and item refine and every possible junction combo and refine base to mid tier magic. Now imagine not knowing any of that or how to do it. You are having a totally different experience.Example:>Friend and i both play at same time>Both completionists who love grinding>GF's gain ap after fights that unlock new abilities and passive>So we both grind outside garden>I get Card early because its cheap and notice the 2 fish on the beach can be easily carded and give 0xp but 6ap>Friend doesn't and fights blue bugs on grass that give like 15% of your level due to level scalling and 1ap>We both max out the first three GF's while shooting the shit over a few hours>My party is lvl.11>His party is lvl.99>The game does not scale off your highest member but your average>Every new character joins at a preset level and fucks him over each time>Not only do i have a smoother, more balanced experience i know i can use Card to slow levelling if someones getting too far ahead when they split you up, to say nothing of turning cards into items that then become spells, weapon upgrades and shit like teaching Quistis new Blue Mage spells.If you don't read the tutorials this is a game where you spam GF's and auto attack and get mad at the draw system. If you do read them its an extremely elegant system for an audience used to "i put the ball in the round hole".
>>740589859Well, I wasn't the person who originally said that but yeah, it takes a bit of time to grind everything. As usual with FF8 discourse, there's just a lot of disingenuous or overexaggerated shitposting.>>740588869No it's not true. It's just a simple modifier based on your average group level and number of party members and it always caps out at 100 with a few exceptions like the fire cavern being at a fixed lvl 5 or the island closest to hell and heaven being at a fixed 100 or enemies in Ultimecia's castle being assigned completely random levels.Ultimately there are certain "level ranges" to the whole scaling which determine what attacks and spells the enemies have access to but even that can be manipulated if you have Tonberry with his level down or level up abilities. One example here is to level up the Ruby Dragon in that one Laguna dream sequence until it reaches the new level range, so that you can draw Meteor from it. Again, people misrepresenting the scaling as something that makes the game unplayable either never played the game themselves or are just complete shitters that never grasped how the game actually works.
>>740589831>people only gave a shit about FF7 because it had FMVs>I don't like turn based combat so nobody else does either
FF6 & FF7 were two of the easiest games in the series, which made them accessible. My siblings played Ultima and Bard’s Tale and the like, so I was decently prepped for JRPG’s. But when FF7 came out, I would see people play it for the first time, one person mashing buttons in combat like it was an action game, another saying, “You tell your guys what to do instead of doing it yourself? That’s fucking retarded.”Most people mashed their way through the game, and never had a better grasp on the materia system than, “Put the leveled up spells on people, and it’s nice to have that conjoined slot you can out All in.” Anyone I knew doing anything with Added Effect got the idea from a magazine. It’s not very complicated, and people can fumble their way through it.Get to FF8 and everyone is hyped, then confused when they play it.Materia worked fine with everyone, why do the G.F.’s suck on some people? Having to move yours spells, move your GFs, set your junctions and abilities - I loved it, but it was too much for a lot if people, nvm the grinding being bad for you, weapon upgrade system - you couldn’t just mash through it like 7.Of my other friends that had played 7 as their first RPG, they all drew to 100 when every spell first appeared, one got fed up and just used a Game Shark to get through the game, and one did nothing but summon back to back GFs every encounter. It filtered people.All that said, I really think the girls was a huge issue. Everyone likes arguing if Aeris or Tifa was better, and would happily brag about about their waifus best scenes. Nobody gave a shit about any of the FF8 girls, and in fact most people seemed to find most/all of them annoying. A very small number of people liked Quistis because they liked having a crush on teacher, and only girls liked Rinoa because they self-inserted as her.This is broad with exceptions ofc, but that was how it felt when the game was new in my area.
>>740574360Unlikeable characters
Final Fantasy was always a pendulum that swung back and forth from vanilla to experimental in varying degrees between entries, FF7 leaned more towards the vanilla side, while FF8 was more on the experimental side. That's the entire answer.
>>740574360FF8 after the halway point drops the ball on story hard, it also dropped the ball with characters and the combat system is completely imbalanced and stands in its own way (junction magic should not be used cause it reduces your stats... so hoard magic but dont use it) which can be fun when you know all the exploits but it isnt fun when on your first or second playthrough.
>>740574360Because it's shit, and FF7 completely no-diff slamdunks it into the trash can
It's funny how people didn't get FF8's combat system while FF8 was the first actual video game I completed at 8 years old
>>740593859If you didn't get a cookie from your mom for beating the game, you aren't getting one now via posting this
>>740574360People are too dumb for the very simple junction system. 2. Following 7's story with something incomprehensible like this and calling it a romance when 7 also had better romance angles is embarrassing. 7 is a really good, digestible anime movie. 8 is an avant garde anime show that wastes too much time.I still really like 8 though.
>>740593987I'm sorry I hurt your feelings because you got confused by a game a kid could figure out
>>740574360Better FF than XV and especially XVI (which realistically isn't even an FF game any more).
>>740593987I got nookie from YOUR mom for beating the game actually
>>740574360>FFVII - innovative and musical>FFVIII - "there's a difference?"That's why.
>>740581035Remake Sephiroth is sniping Ultimecias plot.
>>740574360People were unironically too dumb to understand the junction and draw system
why did ff8 never get the level of quality modding that 7 and 9 got7 had reunion, 9 had moguri
>>740594086no you didn't lol keep dreaming bitch lmao
>>740593494>and one did nothing but summon back to back GFs every encounterWhat's wrong with that
>>740594525the system is inherently stupid
it's too kino for the average midwit
>>740578967sales =/= qualityretard
>>740583693It would be awesome if you can either chose which girl you want to romance, or let Squall be sociopath until the end. I'm started to dislike Squall when he started to act like a medicore teenager confused by simpathy of a random girl he've met yesterday.
>>740588689>(Zoomer reveals himself)I didn't know anything about FF7. My sister bought it in 97 and thought it was a type of movie game based on the commercials. There were a lot of PC games kind of like that. I thought the game was just going to be blow up 8 reactors, kill President Shinra and gg. Going in blind I was blown away. It was one of those games that people got obsessed with after you play it. Today people get obsessed before a game comes out and move on. Everyone my age regardless if they like RPGs played it.8 had great music and I played it on release but I mainly remember Rinoa dying in space and thinking they wasted Edea's potential as a character. They built her up and never used her as a proper antagonist. I replayed it once but only 7/9/Tactics I keep coming back to.
>>740592306stupid nigger TONS of games had turn-based combat back then that isn't at all what set FF7 apart
>>740576961>All party members actually grew up together but got amnesia!Minor correct, all but 1 of them got amnesia. And the one that didn't have amnesia just figured it wasn't worth trying to remind everyone about their past. Also, them growing up together and Ultimecia taking over their nanny had no actual relevance or impact on the plot, and could have been left out entirely without effecting the narrative or themes. It was literally just there for a, "What a twist!" moment.
>>740593494The Cloud/Aeris romance or Cloud/Tifa romance mogged whatever Squall and Rinoa had despite "romance" being it's theme.Squall/Rinoa was Sauske/Sakura until Rinoa gets hurt (Can't remember why) then Squall is like nooooooo! It was too abrupt. I wasn't invested.
>>740583561In the year 2026, the gaming kids on the Internet don't get those references. It's 30 years too old for them to know existed, let alone "remember."
>>740588342>you need grinding + junction knowledge>need junction knowledgeNo, you don't.
>>740596349Yeah I remember thinking. Huh, that's kind of stupid and lazy writing. The music for that scene was nice though.The FF7 twist had me cheering when Cloud yeeted Sephiroth off the bridge.
balamb garden is real and i want to live there forever
>>740596349>grew up togetherThey spent, as pre-schoolers (see: no human memory anyway), about 1 year in an orphanage.Only Squall and Seifer "grew up" together, and it was mostly "went to school together."Can you name all the kids in your Kindergarten class? No? What, do you junction Guardian Forces or something!?
>>740594052the junction system is inherently stupid in its game design.All magic in ff8 are underpowered to the point that normal attacks deal higher damage than tier two magic except a select few that break the game (aura).on top of that the best magic gives the best stat boost so the only magic worth using in the game... the game itself discourages you from using it because it lowers your stat when you use them and then you have to farm them up again.Magic farming is retarded, draw from enemies is shit tier and takes too long, getting magic from cards and item synthesis is good to the point it breaks the game but unless you like the shit card game you wont know that, i dont play final fantasy to play cards i play it for exploration and combat.So unless you happen to fall in love with the card game the first play through (which is unlikely because the random card rule/the worst card rule more or less gets forced on you at the beginning of the game) you will rely on draw which is shit.. or you rely on cards and items which breaks the game to the point no fight is a challange at all.the only way to make the junction system fun or not shoot itself in the foot is by breaking the game itself which in turn makes you so overpowered that the game itself shits itself and isnt worth playing anymore cause there is no enemy that can do anything against you.The system is a gamedesign sin.
>>740574360Because brainless fuckwits got filtered by mechanics and being expected to find in game lore on their own.Hence the shit theories.
>>740594052The avant garde nature of the game is why it’s my favourite game in the series. It’s weird and surreal in all the right ways.
>>740598973Kids today HATE "exploring."They want to be told everything, at the beginning, and it BETTER BE EASY AND QUICK!>What!?>PLAY!?!?>Screw that! I just want to sit and watch for 15 seconds and then do something else!
>>740574360Its more complex and overleveling without undestading its systems makes the game harder. Not unbeatable at all but youll be relying a lot on summon calls which get old fast and drag even the tiniest of encounters.
>>740578967>Is like the 3rd best selling non-MMO FF game of all time.it was for people who missed ff7 trainFF8 also tanked FF9 sale because the game sucked
>>740574360 No sex scene with Selphie
>>740574498it's the second best after xii. this comes from a diehard fan who played every entry multiple times and has god-tier taste in video games. fuck off pleb.
>>740598297The level scaling makes things ever worse because you can equip late game spells you get from items or triple triad and steamroll the game. Some bosses don't even give exp so you can play the game ignoring XP and that's the best and most efficient way to play. Which is insanely retarded for a JRPG of all games.
>>740603928Is she getting railed?
>>740574360At this point its pretty obvious this brand literally is Final Fantasy 7. If it weren't for FF14 I can't even see the brand being profitable for them in any way anymore. FF15 may have sold well but that is only because the wait and anticipation for it was so long. Any compilation stuff with that FF will not do anywhere near as well. Final Fantasy 7 is quite literally a brand onto itself because baby's first JRPG.
>>740604264>Which is insanely experienced for a JRPG of all games.Oh.
>>740604320Laying down the tracks. It's working up a steam!
>>740574360junction is retarded compared to materia
>>740594086>I did it all for Rinoa (Yeah)>Rinoa (Yeah)>Rinoa (Yeah)>So can take this Gunblade and Lionheart your ass! (Lionheart your ass!)
>>740574360It's not very good but has some cool ideas
>>740574360>junction is bad>forgettable party members>convoluted ending but that kinda just every ff
>>740593730I think you summed it up bestFF2 was very experimental I’d say.
>>740594667Because it’s already perfectI’ve been watching a streamer play with Moguri and my goodness does it make FF9 go from a 6/10 to an 8/10
>>740574360Because of the shit battle system, shit story, and shit characters.
