But why are you as a gamer so against the idea of a Superman game?
>>740579575The Legend of Zelda is closer to a Super Man game than God of War is. That's the problem, people want to do one thing as Superman, when he is more apposite to another idea.
>>740579575Maybe if it was one of the evil Supermen it would be kino, I want to destroy cities with my farts
Superman has historically been seen by conservatives and white people as a symbol on the left. Therefore, it is not surprising that ch/v/ds hold negative views towards him.
>>740579575Why does gaming have no Goku vs. Superman tier debate between characters? Almost everyone agrees Sonic would beat the shit out of Mario or that Dante would easily kill Kratos but even then the debates dont get as heated or detailed by comparison.
>>740579575isn't superman just some last surviving alien from another planet? why is he depicted as a god now
>>740579819Cause as a newborn to adulthood he spent his time taking in solar radiation which amplifies the physical attributes of his species and makes new powers manifest. Then he routinely engages in fights with villains or heroes who can match or exceed him in strength or have some esoteric abilities. Or hes bench pressing the planet for some experiment for Star Labs.
>>740579575Because superfaggot is boring and all his fans are trannies
>>740579819Snyder made him a Jesus analogue and it kind of just stuck to the character ever since
>>740579819Because the country he lives in doesn't know they are also empowered.
>>740579930so if superman was born in current era he would be just useless since today's kids is pretty much indoor type?
>>740579575I'm not against it at allPlease, make one. A huge budget AAAA one.I'll buy it, I promise
>>740580215They made a zoomer Superboy and they made him a homosexual
>>740579819>dukes it out with both old and new gods on the regular>saves the world from extinction events on the regular>why is he depicted as a godpeople have been depicted as gods for doing far fewer things than what he did
>>740580215if he still landed in kansas no, farmboys are a lot of things but shut ins they are not
>>740580281Superman is like a small person in comics featuring New Genesis.He's a key to a vital problem, but that's all he is. He's basically Link from Zelda.
>>740580281And yet he loses to rich kid that dresses like a bat lmao
>>740579575Because what makes Superman interesting isn't possible in a game. Superman is interesting because he's a good guy, no matter what.This is also why all the edgy superman clones and stories don't work. They're not Superman.
death to capeshitnothing to do with whedon or consumerist whores even, i simply pray that the character-shaped franchises spawned from american comic books are gone for good from all facets of public consciousnessa story without an ending is no story at all
>>740579575Because Superman is fucking gay and lame. The only reason you retards want one is because of contrarianism spite for Dragon Ball Latinx that you'll ignore Superman having the absolute worst game of all time for his reputation or maybe that's your plan all along? To get another god awful Superman game that will embarrass the character's legacy even further if that were ever possible. Point is, either way it's retarded. Go back to /co/.
>>740579787>debates dont get as heated or detailed1,000,000,000 lions vs. 1 of every pokemon got quite detailed
>>740579575Game devs
>>740580472It's easy to write compelling conflicts for lawful stupid (good) characters though. Every DM who runs a TTRPG group with a paladin has to manage that, I'm sure professionals hired by multimillion dollar companies can.
>>740579575Even pre Saiyan Saga Goku could defeat Superman.
A real Superman game hasn't been tried before.
If they made a Superman game and it was actually good, it would sell over 30 million copies guaranteed.
>>740583128>Even pre Saiyan Saga Goku could defeat Superman.Dragon Ball characters can't even defeat FTL characters from other anime such as Saint Seiya, let alone the strongest versions of Superman.
>>740579575I need this, make it like the Arkham Batman games
>>740579787Bro, you'e not here when Kratos vs Asura, or Samus vs Masterchief (aka Haloid), or Samus vs Doomguy happen?Really?
>>740579787Powerscaling loses meaning the instant you take it into crossovers. Power levels serve a story or gameplay at the end of the day, so who the fuck cares about comparing characters that aren't in the same story/game
>>740579575literally no way to do the character justice>flight>super speed>super strength>super hearing so acute it can detect a pin dropping hundreds of miles away>impervious to all forms of damage except for a few exceptions that are out of reach for 99.9999999% of people (blotting out the sun, magic, kryptonite, some weird anti-matter bullshit science thingy, altering history)the only way it could work is either a moviegame, some sandbox-ish game with missions batman arkham asylum style, or a licensed game that slaps superman on it like TMNT turtles in time which disregards most of the character's powers
>>740579575Because that happened already. It was called Superman 64. And it was fucking awful.
>>740584731Superman gets beat all the time so all of this is moot.
>>740579575Every piece of Superman media for the past 10 or so years has been the gayest shit possible. Now picture a videogame.
>>740579787>Almost everyone agrees Sonic would beat the shit out of MarioBut would Sonic beat his fellow Sega-owned Chuck?
>>740579575Hulk better.
>>740583087Superman is not lawful stupid and the point is that Superman's appeal, being the goodest guy there is, doesn't make for compelling gameplay.
>>740579575I don't like DC. Thor game would unironically be better.
>>740584731>no one can stop himThis is boring>actually a rock can stop himUh ok, tell me more.Superman is the progenitor of superheroes, he was flawed from the onset and is too generic to make interesting. Otherwise, we'd still just have Superman because who needs assholes that can't fly?
People aren't ready for 6dof flying mechanics
>>740584884Because comics need to sellSuperman can race with the Flash without breaking a sweat. In the video game you'd never lose unless it was a moviegame with scripted losses.
>>740579819Power creep. He's been around for like a century.
>>740584731>it's a very rare stone bruce
>>740579670>tfw no Postal 2-esque superhero parody game where you can spec into all sorts of retarded powers to harm people with
Superman isnt immune to babidi's magic lol.
>>740584731There are absolutely ways to do it, just make MG:R except the threats are way more dangerous and actively require Superman and his strength. What's stopping someone from making a game where Superman has to slam aliens into the ground as hard as he can or have moves where he throws them to the other side of the galaxy?What's stopping them from making monsters and aliens that actually are that tough and need Superman to push with all his might to defeat them? Why not? Why not seriously?
>Superman is too OP! He can't have a good gameHow come Kratos, the strongest character in fiction can have multiple good games then?
>>740585445Are those good games in the room with us?
>>740583382Saint Seiya being FTL is so egregious because those guys who are supposedly so fast almost never dodge each other's attacks.
>>740585445Kratos' strength is symbolic and metaphysical.
>>740583382>Supes moves countless worlds across the universe on his back>forgets their suns>inhabitants freeze on a trip that should take over a billion years>thedayissaved.png
>>740585436if you go with kaiju-sized threats, you end up with a GoW-esque QTE movie game (see gaia fight, poseidon fight, etc.)if you go with aliens, people are gonna wonder what the hell happened to metropolisif you give everyone kryptonite, everyone's gonna wonder where the fuck it came from and how they're not dead from the radiation>>740585445kratos can't flykratos can't run around the world in less than a secondkratos can't fly to the planet's core and destroy it unscathedkratos can get beaten, mauled, and dismembered. no kryptonite neededkratos can't survive lava
>>740585814I don't really get the points honestly>Kaiju sized threatsThis is why I brought up MG:R. Doesn't have to be GoW tier to have a good fight. Sure QTEs can be a part of it but you can do small vs huge fights without the entire fight being QTE>people are gonna wonder what happened to metropoloisjust have him fight elsewhere...>kryptonitewhy is it even part of the conversation.You can absolutely make a Superman game where the stakes are real but he's not nerfed and you can show off how fucking cool his moves would be without holding back. Sure it might not be pinnacle comic strength but who fucking caaaares Injustice already exists and people just stomach it with no issue even though Flash and Superman could fucking RUN at everyone and obliterate them.
>>740579575True gamers have generational trauma from Superman 64
>>740586110>people just stomach it with no issuethat falls squarely on 3: licensed game that disregards the character's established powersbesides, they did try to bridge the gap by giving characters some kind of super serum or something
>me creating a character that can kill Superman just because he doesn't give a fuck about the laws of narrative that define who can and can't be killed
>>740586285plot armor is one of the core principles of comics. the need to keep churning out issues supersedes any other phenomenon
>>740584312Not only that, but half of powerscaling isn't even accurate because what's depicted is often actually metaphorical, or is not actually meant to be accurate to any form of reality, ours or the video games, but is purely for gameplay feel. For example, no, Sephiroth didn't actually destroy the solar system when he cast super nova. No, Doomguy isn't actually running 28mph while carrying 2 tons of equipment. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
>>740583382well he is in space so the planets are obviously not weighing anythingeverybody could do that
>>740586369>plot armor is one of the core principles of comicsAnd I'm the man with the plot armor piercing bullet. Hell, that character I mentioned didn't just kill Goku too, he killed the Zenos and dropped their corpses in front of Goku just to make it clear how screwed that spiky-haired moron was.
>>740579670BASED
>>740579575Goku can annihilate universes in base.Superman gets bodied by a fridge.
Shiki would easily kill Superman.
>>740583128I'd argue SSJ2 goku would probably kill superman with a full powered kamehameha since at that stage it can destroy the solar system with one burst much like super perfect Cell could
>>740585031>>740585035Spencer could take both
>>740583382if he travels at speed of light or above the planets will become pure energy, resulting in their inhabitants death, but if he travels too slow the journey will take billions of years, and there will be moments where the planets dont receive a star heat and light, resulting in their inhabitants death. So this is bullshit
>>740579729he was literally created by a jew
>Gokukeks copingFunny
>>740586863>Goku can annihilate universes in baseYet his attacks don't instantly destroy the universe.Still stronger than regular Superman. Though I heard he gets completely bullshit forms in some runs.
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>>740590161>defeated by missing bargain day saleoh no no no caped baldy we got too cocky
I would be so down for an Action Comics/Fleischer bros "leaps over tall buildings in a single bound" Superman. That's the one variation of him I actually like.
>>740590161Superman and arguably Goku still have more and better feats. Wait for Saitama's story to finish so you have the full story and a full list of his feats and powers before wanking him. Liking him more doesn't make him the strongest.
>>740583382The real champion are the chains, how do they support the weight of several planets without breaking? holy fuck!
Injustice is a superman game technically
>>740590161>One punch man >Some alien from outer space shows up >He punches it once >It survives Should've killed himself after that
>>740585772>>740588209Superman's "super strength" also includes a form of telekinesis to unify whatever he's carrying - it's why he can grab a plane without ripping it apartBy carrying the planets, his telekinesis will be protecting them from any adverse affects of traveling billions of times faster than light
>>740588209>>740583382Forget about that. Being chained like that means those planets can't rotate, so it must be utter chaos on each one of them.
>>740590161>says Shazam once>baldie gets incinerated with magical lightning
>>740579787
>>740590438Hasn't saitama already completely cleared a cone of stars from the observable and probably further universe? like theres just a hole in the rest of space time where there used to be quadrillions of galaxies?
>>740579787Because it always ends in Kirby winning
>>740579819the extent of his powers is wildly inconsistent depending on who's writing him and what DC want
>>740590461They're made of indestructium.
>>740579575The kamehameha would definitely hurt Clark
>>740579787You need a maximum IQ of 50 to be a powerscaling debater, those exist primarily on comicbook/anime fags
>>740591735Absolutely, Goku might not win against Clark but he won't win easily either
>"i'm going to repeat back what you said to me, verbatim, but omit the last, very simple syllable and replace it with 'what?' in an attempt to be the bigger smarter man that's confused by your silly nonsense words"this trope peeves me to hell and back. It's been ages since i've seen a realistic, believable form of someone saying "whatcha-whosit, now?"
>>740592008>this trope peeves me to hell and back. It's been ages since i've seen a realistic, believable form of someone saying "whatcha-whosit, now?"what?
>>740591108>Hasn't saitama already completely cleared a cone of stars from the observable and probably further universe? They disrupted the observable light. The light being seen happened many decades/centuries/millenia/millions of years ago, varying between each celestial object and how close they were. Don't try to use physics/math/logic to try to make facts while conveniently ignoring other facts that are inconvenient.Superman still has better feats regardless. He once contributed 1/5 of the energy to recreate the DC universe, which is 1.82 vigintillion times larger than our own.1 vigintillion is 63 zeroes.1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
>>740579575Wolverine has a health system and revive QTEs. Yet he is practically unkillable and we are playing him so I don't think it matters to ppl all that much
>>740590528He’s capable of holding back. He could have killed him in one punch, but recognised a kindred spirit and gave him one last fight he could feel excited about.He doesn’t bother normally because he doesn’t care enough to. if you bring up that goddamn manga arc that’s been rewritten about fifteen times now, I swear on me mum I’ll hook you in the gabber, m8
Shazam, Mongul, Darkseid, Zatanna, Flash, Lex, Lobo, Trigon...There are several characters they could add to a story that lasts a few months to a year and use no crutches like Batman or Wonder Transwoman.Warner Bros. just doesn't want to.
>>740592190What is wrong with Hulk's face? Why doesn't he have lips?
>>740582919Lions clear easily, btw. Earthquake runs out of PP before killing 100 lions.
>>740592447>lions could kill GodThis is your mind on animal planet crack
>>740592824Man killed God and lions can easily kill Man therefore lions > God
>>740579787There have been thousands of those debates and every single one ends with that pink fuck kirby winning
nobody wants to play him straight, they think he is only interesting when he is intentionally designed with moral flaws and / or is not actually invincible
>Yet another Superman story about the antagonists trying to paint Superman as a villain
>>740594686Antagonists projecting their own flaws is a tale as old as time
>>740579787>Almost everyone agrees Sonic would beat the shit out of MarioThe latest trending debate that lasted 3 weeks between them proves literally otherwise. People argued long on both sides.
>>740579787>Almost everyone agrees Sonic would beat the shit out of MarioWrong.>or that Dante would easily kill KratosHoly shit, where are you getting this from. There's so many Kratos spammers in powerscaling debates.
>>740590438>feats bro bro the feats bro featsFAGaraot gets killed in ONE PUNCH
>simpler highscore/survival focused game instead of big narrative thing>big city, things of various severity happening all over, from super villains, to bank robbers, to grandmas slipping and cracking their hips>everything is shown on your map with approximate timers, symbolising the super hearing>even with super speed, whether shown as fast movement or game world slowdown, you can only be in so many places at once and have to decide which order to solve the issues>everything you don't solve in time "damages" you relative to the damage it dealt to the city and citizens affectedThere, a game where you get to be as OP and as "always the good guy" as Superman is meant to be and yet be challenged
>>740594081>at the end of times, the only thing you hear is poyo!
>>740592447>what is recycle leppa berry strategies
>>740579575I'm not against more Superman games.>>740586863Early Superman broke the concept of infinity in base alone casually.Goku needed a god's help "maybe" destroy 1 universe, and still gets no diffed by rocks, lasers, and trees (yes, tree level super goku is way after the cope shockwaves that didn't really destroy much of anything)
>>740583382Who the fuck made that chain?
>>740579575we have the technology to make a planet-spanning Superman game, it's time to rip the band-aid off and give people their indestructible power fantasy>>740579787because games let you actually play out those matches so you can see who is stronger
>>740591167>>740594081>kirby>dies to apples
>>740583382holy shit that's the most retarded thing I have ever seen.
>>740586646retarded gokufag
>>740585514There are some bullshit, aoe unavoidable attacks like Shaka's Treasures of the Heavens, that can completely fuck over a bunch of high level enemies like they were nothing. Granted, that's his ultimate technique and has to close his eyes for years to gather power to use it but yeah, that universe has some of the most powerful beings of fiction doing some insane shit like this and then dying to a couple of normal techniques.Everyone's a glass nuke launcher.
>>740586646RetardAlso Goku is such a weak alien that he dies in outer space, so he couldn't even reach where Superman is.
Daily reminder toon force is the most powerul force in fiction. Bugs Bunny is infinitely more powerful than the most powerful versions of Superman and Goku combined.
>>740594686I want a game with Superman as the antagonist Where Superman is portrayed as a genuine heroic figure and you're playing as a true villain A game where you play as a new and upcoming DC villain would be a genuine fun concept, plenty of choice if you want to be a harmless or gimmick villain or a more serious or vile one, which villains you want to work with, and course how to handle heroesWith Superman of course always being around as someone you have to avoid rather than fight, you're not strong enough yet to handle him and sequences involving Superman are always high stress "mission survive" kind of deals, though in a subversion of it, Superman doesn't beat you up, he just grabs you and brings you to jail, while also giving you some cheesy downright groan worthy life lessonsEndgame is trying to find dirt on Superman, to do the thing nobody else could and discredit him as a hero, to get your victory that wayExcept, there's nothing there, and instead you face of with Superman in the end who judges everything you did, and if you've been a harmless enough villain, or not shown you're beyond redemption, he offers YOU a chance to give up your villainous ways
>>740596375>But needs Michael Jordan's help to defeat tiny aliens in basketball.Pathetic.
>>740596375toons are a whole different category, they are as strong as the joke requires them to be
>>740596685Aliens also have toon force.
>>740583382>superman finds your mom's anal beads
>>740579787Because powerscaling is low iq shit for tiktokkers
>>740584731>earth gets invaded by an alien race that's comparable in strength to kryptoniansWoah, I cracked the impossible code. WB Games should hire me
>>740583382the irony in touting that panel with pride as if it isn't the most precise example of why superman sucks
>>740596375Remember toons lose if it's funny for them to loseThe more you wank and power scale them into being unbeatable gods the funnier it becomes for Bugs Bunny to lose to someoneAt this point the actual joke of him in a deathbattle-esque scenario is for him to get his head comically blown up and his mouth to land next to it going "well what'd ya expect"
>>740596375True. Toonforce is unbeatable. Bugs bunny solos.
>>740579575I'm not against the idea, similar to how I'm not opposed to idea of another F1 game.I just have absolutely zero interest in it, and will not buy it.
>>740596375Arale rapes this dumb rabbit and Beerus is immune to Arale’s bullshit.
>>740597603>Arale rapes this dumb rabbit and Beerus is immune to Arale’s bullshit.Beerus literally got defeated by a poop gag. Stop forcing this filler episode meme.
>>740583382Isn't this actually superboy?
>>740592272He's asian
>>740596375Bugs would never try to fight any hero. If he did he would lose due to the comedic aspect of Toon Force. For example if he tried to make Batman slip on a banana peel, he would fail each time and become enraged and then Bruce would have some Rabbit Feed that bugs falls for and placates him.
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>>740597284>>740597892>Remember toons lose if it's funny for them to lose>The more you wank and power scale them into being unbeatable gods the funnier it becomes for Bugs Bunny to lose to someone>At this point the actual joke of him in a deathbattle-esque scenario is for him to get his head comically blown up and his mouth to land next to it going "well what'd ya expect">Bugs would never try to fight any hero. If he did he would lose due to the comedic aspect of Toon Force. For example if he tried to make Batman slip on a banana peel, he would fail each time and become enraged and then Bruce would have some Rabbit Feed that bugs falls for and placates him.Nice headcanon and forcing limits on toonforce where there are none. Though it's wrong. It will also be infinitely more funny erasing a "serious character" off the page of the paper. Sorry your fav jobs to the pencil.
>>740597892Bugs always wins as long as he's the underdog in the scenario, and if he's not the one at fault in the conflict. If you could get someone to destroy his burrow, or bully/intimidate him for whatever reason, it doesn't matter if they're a planet destroying galactic conqueror, they'll lose. Unfortunately Goku and Clark are too nice for that, so I don't see it happening.
Am I the only one who finds it really retarded that Superman's power comes from absorbing the power of the Sun, but he has shown to be consistently able to do things that would require more energy than the Sun has in total, let alone the tiny % he realistically would be absorbing?
>>740598130it's going to end with Bugs losing then the stinger being that Bugs arranged the whole match and bet on his opponent while everyone else bets on Bugs
>>740598274You could say that the sun is "activating" his kryptonian cells and not necessarily "powering him". Like he had all that potential already inside him, the sun is just letting it loose. Then again your argument can apply to any metahuman. Where do they get the energy to lift buildings or shoot giant laser blasts? From the food they eat? That doesn't make sense either.
>>740597894THE MOST KEKED MAN IN FICTION
>>740579575>Not Kamehame-huh?ruined
>>740591167>>740594081>>740595398The problem is that Kirby is canonically 8 inches tall and has never been shown to have the ability to inhale things more than a few times his size (barring Hypernova). Sonic is canonically 3' 3", and even he'd be too big for Kirby to swallow.
>>740599476>Kirbo is 8 inchesDoesn't this completely fuck up Shiver Star or Lost World = Earth theories?
>>740598412VS battles are to see who is stronger, not to tell a good story or tell the funniest joke. Popeye already beat up Saitama.>>740597603Bugs has superior 4th wall feats.>>740597603>Beerus is immune to Arale's bullshit.Filler and not-canon, as well as baseless and featless. What is Beerus going to do to Bugs Bunny exiting the cartoon and just erasing Beerus. You can't even say anything like "Beerus just erases him from the cartoon frame or follows him to the real world" because Beerus does not have any such abilities. To make matters worse for you, Beerus has absolutely been the victim of toon gags in both the anime and manga. Get that shit outta here.
>>740598474I wish comics made little nods or jokes about metabolism and calorie intake. Only Spiderman has at the top of my head.
>>740599886>VS battles are to see who is stronger, not to tell a good story or tell the funniest jokeDid you just say this in defense of a power that relies entirely on jokes?
>>740600153DC's Flash and Invincible's Atom Eve too. And in manga, I can think of Momo from Hero Academia.
>>740600247Take the L Fat Ugly Bastard.
>>740598130I think powerscaling with toonforce should be an instant autism diagnosis.
>>740600739My Toonforce is making me smell your aura through the screen so I guess I have no choice.
>>740598130He lost to a tortoise trying to be a jerk. He wins against dudes trying to hunt or intimidate him. Thats how Toon Force works.
>>740579575>Literal rape victimSuperJOBBER fans never been able to refute this btw
>>740601189He TANKED all of that.
>>740600980The tortoise also had toon force.
>>740601189This is the peak of western media right here.>be leftoid>take your jew created super hero (these jews literally created him as the "ideal jew" bringing morals to the dumb goyim)>you are leftoid and see him as a white male caricature because only white people have any morals like superman, not kikes>have him assraped out of seethe
>SHITkuMarvel board.
We prefer Invincible here
>>740590438Saitama operates off of comedy, he's always unbeatable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F37tLAN-kOQ
>>740579729Incorrect, Superman has always been a symbol of America.Like remember that time some greedy mine owner refused to invest in safety for his workers so Superman sealed him in his own mine to teach him a lesson?Good stuff.
>>740602356Saitama is a parody character, not a gag character. Many people have survived his punches at this point in very serious fights, which if he was a complete gag, this wouldn't be the case. His extreme levels of durability is his only thing.
>>740579575I am? I didn't know that.Also I'm pretty sure Superman vs. Goku would swing in Goku's direction, but of course he'd need to spend awhile getting surprised by Supe's bag of tricks before he stopped fucking around.
>>740582919Pokemon die to extremely weak attacks like fucking bubbles and hail. Humans tank everything pokemon can throw at the multiple times like ash tanking flamethrowers or james tanking basically every pokemon hes ever had. Even in the games trainers survive things like dragonite hyperbeam. Lions would tank everything pokemon could throw at them unless metapod can clutch up against his 975609.756098 required lions>>740592824Their god dies to being tackled by a magikarp btw
>>740598274>>740598474That's why Superman beating Goku isn't an accomplishment. If Superman isn't strong enough, he just has to sit on his ass and absorb enough sunlight, but Goku actually has to work to get stronger, the amount of times he had a power-up just handed to him can be counted on one hand and you'd still have a few fingers left.
>>740602939Are you one of those types who considers Goku being not only a different species but specifically the legendary prime of that species something that was "just handed to him"?
>>740579575Goku can't even survive in outer space. Superman has so many ways to win the fight in a moment it's laughable.
>>740579575Gokukeks are still seething at Superman?
>>740602868how much damage saitama's punch does is entirely dependent on if he has killing intent or nothe isn't a gag character either, in the manga it's stated his mortal "limiter" is broken so he's basically a god and the only character that managed to hurt him was apotheosis garou
>>740579575Godzilla is stronger than Superman.
>>740579575What manga character is closest to Superman in personality though? I think Kenshiro is more similar in benevolence, his insane bodycount aside.
>>740579575Make it a more "fucking around" type of game, with destructible environments and emphasis on the fun of zipping around as Superman. Making a standard action game would be boring if they kept you invulnerable, and would miss the point of Superman if they made you more vulnerable.
Why do powerscalingfags never consider anti-feats as canon? Besides just gameplay mechanics, if a character gets his ass beat by mooks in a cartoon then how could you say hes some solar system level tank?
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>>740581572Its not the worst game of all time
>>740579787Because powerscaling doesn't work as easily in video games because we directly control the characters, they're as capable as (you) are. Even in games built around dream match ups like Ryu vs Terry Bogard, at the end of the day the most skilled player is one who wins, not really the characters themselves. Comics and Cartoon aren't interactive so you can endlessly debate who would win. Plus the whole debate is in reality Japan vs America, if you want to see Weaboos fighting Nerds just go to a JRPG vs WRPG thread.
>>740596685Toon force is weaker than money.
>>740603139That doesn't mean jack shit, he was born with a power level of 2. I was referring to the time Korin pulled "the actual sacred water that really does boost your power and isn't just some wax on wax off bullshit that I conveniently never mentioned it until you happened to need it to stand a chance against my upstairs neighbor's dickhead brother" out of his furry ass, and even then it's highly likely that the water was actually just poison and Goku got a zenkai boost from barely avoiding shitting himself to death. The point is, Goku still had to work his ass off to get to where he is now, he pointedly hates gaining power without earning it (see when he popped his Super Saiyan God cherry) and if he had pulled a Freeza and never trained a day in his life, he wouldn't be Son Goku, the Super Saiyan, he would be Son Goku, just another unremarkable ordinary Saiyan who's only considered special on the planet of weaklings he lives on, and any fight he picks against Superman would be over in the literal blink of an eye.
>>740603580For the same reason the character appearing on a cereal box and implying that the cereal is the source of their power isn't canon. Retarded shit that only happens because of the realities of moneymaking interfering with the story itself is not canon.
>>740579575you cant make interesting gameplay with an invincible flying superspeeder superstrong protagonist
>>740579787Why are you faggots telling lies, lots of videogame characters are brought up in powerscaling debates. Sonicfags are among the most annoying.
>>740603580Anti-feats, actual anti-feats are very rare. Like if someone brings up Superman losing to Muhammad Ali they ignore that Clark was explicitly depowered and knows nothing of boxing form. Or if someone brings up Thor losing to Stilt Man because he had some weird crisis of conscious that made him unworthy until the arc ended.
>>740603580Because the point of powerscaling is to cherrypick your guy into the highest powerlevel you can.
>>740603841You mean Captain America's power doesn't come from Hostess fruit pies?
>>740584185Iirc the Samus matchups just ended up with shipping her with her opponents.I'd bet on Asura though, the shit he's tanked could kill Kratos five times over.
>>740603818One could argue that the very premise of a Zenkai boost is pulling power ups out of your ass without any work. Need Goku stronger without "skipping" training? Have the villain leave him barely alive to gloat or something.
>>740603903You can't make an interesting comic either yet here we are.
>>740599476>barring HypernovaWhy?
>>740604074Yeah, but Goku still worked harder for everything he has than Superman did. You can't deny that.
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>>740579575KAAAA MEEEEHAAAAAAAAAA MMMMEEEEEEEEESUPERRUSSIANRAPE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>740604267I never even tried to. I asked if you were the type to consider goku's species as something "handed to him" because I've heard that argument made multiple times before.
>>740602936Are we talking about pokemon in mechanics, anime, or reality breaking dex entries? I think you end up with wildly different results depending on which, because one gardevoir is soloing the billion lions if it creates a black hole like the dex says it can.
>>740604192The biggest thing Kirby has successfully swallowed without Hypernova is only like three or four times his size. If he tries any bigger without Hypernova you get Mouthful Mode.
>>740586646damn I didn't think of that
>>740579575>>740583382>>740585031Toonforce wins?Toonforce wins.
>>740604579Toonforce wins...as long as it has food delivery mid fight.
>>740604312This quite literally ends every power scale discussion. A kryptonite cock ring solos the whole DC universe https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=kryptonite_cock_ring
>>740604464And the lions would tank that blackhole like children tank playing pokemon amie with magcargo
>>740585035>bluesky tronfolks throwing slurs at anon
>>740604385I'll admit that they both have hax, but Superman has the better hax because he doesn't have to do anything more complicated than flying into the sun, parking his ass and waiting, whereas Goku has to almost DIE to activate his hax, and that's the point I'm trying to make: Superman only wins because he has the better hax. If they're fighting somewhere Superman can't use his hax to get stronger mid-fight, Goku would have much better odds.
>>740595198One Punch man doesn't defeat multiple enemies with only one punch in his own stupid manga and anime. Maybe change the title?
>>740592243So his name is "holding back man"? Good to know.
>>740604672If it has enough mass to be recognizable as a black hole, it would be would have several times more mass than earth. The lions are fucked, the planet is fucked, the solar system is probably fucked. If we go by the dex entry, there is no winning.
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>>740604267Superman did train to hone and refine his powers. Hell he even trains as an adult. Hes just not spending everyday doing it, because hes a man with responsibilities.
>>740604712>superman goes to sun>launch funny rock into sun>superman instantly incineratedSomehow westoid comics are more retarded than anime.
>>740589930Even Roshi is near superman´s strengths,
>>740585031>I hate weaklingWhat the FUCK is his problem?Is this actual an evil Superman or did some powerscaler horribly mischaracterize their guy in an agendapiece for the 70 billionth time?
>>740605113>RoshiReminder that Krillen and Tien are both stronger than him and neither one can get past Dr Gero's door. superman can break metal with his bare hand.
>>740580215Flashpoint did this by making it so that Superman was captured by the US government and basically in a cage his entire life. But just standing in the sun for like a minute was enough to charge him.
>>740604473Ok that makes sense.
>>740605202Krillin sliced Freeza when he was joung, and in super they outperform DR Gero for sure.
>>740584185He wasn't alive then.
>>740605202Multiversal level plotanium door.Roshi literally blew up the moon.
>>740579575superman is like the most boring gary sue super hero in existence.Like I like the comics cause its a power fantasy but the character itself is so incredibly boring.
>>740605478`> and in super they outperform DR Gero for sure.What about his door though?
>>740599476>Kirby is canonically 8 inches tallNo the fuck he's not. He's around 2ft, maybe 3.
>>740604579>>740604636Toonforce users have a big weakness that no one ever considers, and I'm not talking about the Dip. Think about the basic principle of Toonforce: the user can do anything... if it would be FUNNY. In other words, the rules and conventions of comedy are both a Toonforce user's source of power and the chains that bind their power. Look at Roger Rabbit, for example: while he can easily slip out of a pair of handcuffs, he cannot actually do so until it would be funny, and when he hears Judge Doom tap out the first few notes of Shave and a Haircut, Roger physically cannot stop himself from saying "Two bits!" even though it puts him in danger. A Toonforce user has to do everything they do in the funniest possible way. They have to choose the most humorous and entertaining course of action. But if there is no funny way to do something, they can't do it at all. Therefore, any user of Toonforce would be completely powerless in a situation so dire and devoid of levity or humor that any joke they can make would fall flat.
>>740604164They make interesting stories by making him significantly weaker. But what does Superman look like in gameplay? What kind of game do you make? Prototype/infamous except you can fly?
>>740605527His door has plot armor...
>>740604579Usop is his BVLL
>muh troonforceEnter.
>>740605936That would be another weakness Toonforce has: people who have no sense of humor whatsoever.
>>740579575
I feel like Death Battle completely ruined the image of Superman. People think he's some all-powerful mary sue but they don't realize the Superman in those videos are some weird composited mess.You CAN make videogames with Superman obviously.
>>740604312I prefer the canonical version
>>740590528You didn´t watch the show or read the manga. He defeats all the enemies in one punch. He DIDN¨T want to deffeat Boros so fast so he could have a great last battle
>>740605580You say that as if they can't make anything a joke. If someones killed they're now a dummy with ketchup, if they're on fire it's fake fire, if they're drowning it's a kiddy pool not even ankle deep. The explosion is a firework, the moon crashing into the earth is cheese. The more serious or dire the situation the more comedic it is to cancel it all out instantly.
>>740606120LMAO
>>740606120keksaved
>>740606120Brolys canonical wife is so cute...
>>740605580>if it would be funnyFunny is subjective and toonforce characters still do their toonforce shit regardless of what the audience feels, so there is no such thing as a funny restriction. Besides, not all toonforce scenes are even meant to be funny, some are just meant to be 4th wall breaking or referential or just as a display of power.
>>740591108Superman has a bazzilion rewrites and one of them turns him into an omnipotent god. He can will all universes to disappear just by imagining it in a split second. That hole in space punch is just a drop of water.tldtr superman is written by 10 year olds. you can't win unless you're also a 10 year old.
>>740605571>t. kirby
>>740604931No the lions would still tank it. Gardevoir has literally never once pulled out the black hole and done anything remotely impressive and we see what magcargos hotter than the sun body does to children (fucking nothing) so there is no reason to think gardevoirs black hole would be different
>JEWrbyhttps://youtu.be/2bEZQ00OOxY?is=4z1DaWOMM9zLmYAC
>>740579575Why is everyone treating Superman like he's One Punch Man? He's not fucking indestructable.
>>740606485I was more arguing about better feats than goku. Who was stated to shake the universe in his fight against beerus but hasn't actually output such wanton destruction,
>>740606637He is He is beyond fictional meta conceptsHe has no limitsAnd Saitama and Goku will never catch up to himIts character with no limits vs characters who break their limits, but the one with no limits in the first place always wins
>>740606143>If someones killed they're now a dummy with ketchup, if they're on fire it's fake fire, if they're drowning it's a kiddy pool not even ankle deep.What if the victim is a child and their parents are being forced to watch? Is it still funny?
>>740579575Wait... technically, shouldn't the Kamehameha actually vaporize Superman?Dragonball attacks are chi-energy, which is magic-adjacent. And Superman is notoriously weak against magic. It's his one fairly consistent achilles-heel.
>>740579787Comics (generally) suck ass, and the community surrounding them relies on a big fat library of one off gags, and over inflated multi comic stories to pretend they're interesting.Gaming literally lacks this outside of shit with no substance that desperately needs people to justify it's existence.Like people pretending Minecraft Steve is a deity because he can hold 1700 1m blocks of gold.Or people pretending Nintendo characters are earthshattering paragons of strength because the games are kind of mid.Or the people pretending anyone ever cared about marathon
>>740606120>with Batman's help I escapedHOLY FUARK THIS BATMAN GUY IS STRONG
>>740583224This is true
Superman won't kill. Goku won't either if the person is innocent. It'd be a stalemate, neither character wins
>>740588278Nothing leftists hate more than strong Jews
>>740607541batwank is the most powerful force in comics
>>740607786>Superman won't kill.ez pz, just give him some black kryptonite bro
>>740607541>Let Clark get raped for 8 months before moving his assBruce sure took his batfucking time
>>740579575>But why are you as a gamer so against the idea of a Superman game?Have I got some news for you.
>>740608031Little anal in the ass never hurt anyone.
>>740604312>Soviets as bad guysI thought Leftists banned that as thought crimes
>>740608008>If Batman kills Jonkler he'd become LE BATMAN WHO KEKS and GENOSLIDE THE MULTIVERSE>>740607842 was right.
>>740608008Why doesn't crazy Superman or Supergirl also tear apart JokerBats and his buddies?
>>740608197Cold war neocon kikes (which include the slaanesh hordes you call local leftists) never stopped seething about commies
>>740603152>Dude can tank blows that'd fracture entire planets>Gets hurt by a dinky rock
>>740579787>Almost everyone agrees Sonic would beat the shit out of Mar- ACK!!
>>740608325sorry anon the hyperspecific effect of the black kryptonite is that it makes you kill only your family members in as bloody a manner as possible and nobody else, then you diedon't ask how the fuck bruce made this in a lab
Sonic > cuckrio
>>740586808Why is Superman a brapfag?
>>740608401>which include the slaanesh hordes you call local leftists>never stopped seething about commiesLol no. You should check some videos on the recent Animal Farm movie, they genuinely changed it from a cautionary tale closely mirroring the Russian revolution to "capitalism bad" or some shit.
>>740608407>>Dude can tank blows that'd fracture entire planetsNo character in Dragon Ball has ever shown to be able to punch that hard, only times we've seen planets and celestial bodies get blown up it was by ki attacks.
>>740604579Luffy isn't Toon Force. Being wacky and rubber isn't the same thing as Toon Force. Come back when he leaves the comic/cartoon and talks to the writer.
>>740608882IIRC that's kryptonite gas, but this version is immune so he's saying it to mock whoever released it.
>>740604279They sure are lucky that the Batcave floor is beyond multiversal durability.
>>740609220That's not Superman, that's Ultraman and it's from the New 52 event where the Legion of Doom has to face off aginst the Crime Syndicate. This version of Ultraman gets his powes from snorting Kryptonite like crack cocaine.
>>740607492Chis is a part of martial arts (wich is phisical by nature). Magic exist on DB´s world, just he doesnt use it (Maybe in that teleportation skill, but dont remember). Superman would be obliterated by it easyer that he got destroyed by doomsday, wich was a phisical brawler
>>740609220That is evil superman from the evil universe where he gets his powers by snorting kryptocoke
>>740602939>Goku actually has to work to get strongerHe relies on transformations and power boosts.
>>740609358And those comes from.... training to get stronger?
>>740608893Yeah I'm not watching more mutt brainrot slop, sorry. Your actions speak louder than words. EU leaders not even daring to talk about Soviet contribution in WW2 and liberal zogmutts to this day writing shitslop about North Korea and China while funding proxy wars against them. The average shitnigger "leftist" liberal in your subhuman nation is a zionist/hohol shill that calls people "tankies".
>>740609459Super Saiyan is from Krillin dying. Super Saiyan God is from a magic ritual. Super Saiyan Blue is from being near Gods/Angels. Fusion is from magic items/dance moves.Yeah Goku does train, but so does Superman actually, and he even knows martial arts. He spends a lot of time constantly fighting crime and other Super Powered beings. He actually has more experience than Goku.
>>740602939>Goku actually has to work to get strongerYou've forgotten something. Saiyans get a massive powerboost everytime they lose a fight. So its not all work, its also his biology
>>740609459Namek saga has Goku and Vegeta abusing zenkai boosts to keep up with freiza before Goku unlocks Super Saiyan from Krillin's death, Piccolo also fused with Nail and then later Kami in order to get massive instant power boosts. Gohan's latent power, Gohan getting his potential unleashed in Namek and Buu arcs, SSGod is a ritual rather than something you gain on your own, with Blue just being a combination of it with Super Saiyan. Ultra Instinct was miraculously unlocked mid fight with Jiren as a literal deus ex machina. And then there's fusion.
>>740609490>North Korea good actuallyAh, you're retarded. I see.
>>740605580A good toon can always be funny, regardless of the situation.
>>740579787But who is stronger, Sonic or Sonichu?
>>740610161Serious answer? Sonichu as Sonic has limits while Sonichu's only limits are those Chris puts on him which are none.
>>740579787Because games are about beating games where the main character is in constant danger. While capeshit and shounen is about seeing characters surviving nuke bombs to the chestYou think the chosen undead could beat Kirilin? His equipment load caps at 263
>>740610229>Someone COULD write the character be omnihyperreallifeversal
>>740610025>subhuman child raping zogbot that bombs schoolgirls: "UHHH LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT THIS ONE ASIAN COUNTRY THAT DARED TO KICK US OUT"Get raped in hell, mutilated mongrel.
>>740608407
>>740604883I suppose if you're snarky little bitch man
>>740579575I'm not, but you can't really make a Superman game that isn't some jumbo mumbo mess to explain him getting new powers or abilities. With someone like Batman makes sense because he literally uses new gadgets, with Supe you need something like a year one Sup, or some stupid shit. Now, I hate skill trees, but at least it makes sense to have some progress rather than just a lackluster game that will probably rely on how the story plays
>>740609459They come from emotion and physiology. Had he not gone SSJ against Frieza he would've died. Had Gohan not gone SSJ2 against Cell he would've died. Some are even via rituals like SSG or literal plot like MUI.
>>740609153Technically part of the same universe btw.
>>740610630More like nobody gives a flying fuck about NK.
>>740610768
>>740579575superman lame as fuck
>>740610853
>>740610630>>subhuman child raping zogbot that bombs schoolgirlsHOLY projection, not surprising from someone supporting the ideology that ends up murdering millions of its own people most of the time though.
>Googling Dragon Ball facts about Goku>Discover the Werewolf from universe 9 >And the Fox God of Destruction from universe 8God DBZ after I stopped watching got furry and homosexual
The idea of a Superman game is an excellent litmus test. You can immediately tell when someone has never read or watched Superman immediately when they say "a Superman game wouldn't work because he's too powerful."
>>740609956>>740610753>modifiers you need a good base level to make useful is equal to Superman automatically winning fights due to growing up on Earth
>>740610853This was so fucking gay. The TTGL vs. Kyle fight was cathartic as hell for it.
>>740579787The closest I'd say there is in Master Chief vs Doomguy, but it's more because there's four layers at play here1) People that actually give a shit about power scaling and will start rattling off feats and calculations like they're ironclad law2) People that hate powerscaling and will argue vehemently in favor of common sense. That attempts at calculating inventory weight and map unit speed doesn't actually capture the characters as they truly are.3) People that fucking hate Halo and view it as modern slop, so they NEED Doomguy to win the argument4) People that fucking hate Nu-Doom and the canonization of le rip and tear, so they NEED Chief to win the argument
>>740611047>projection ?fun fact: you are a drugged, raped, cuckolded, mutted slave race whose daughters get trafficked by your rulers on an island while your sons willfully get their legs and dicks exploded and mutilated in a desert after bombing and raping children loland you won't do shit because you are genetically mongrelized and bred to be a slave
>>740579787>or that Dante would easily kill Kratoseven Kirby would be able to do that.
>>740579575It would be fine if it’s good. I just don’t expect them to make a good one.
>>740579787Because gaming comparisons are somehow less autistic than comics/anime. You'll get the old Master Chief vs Samus or Gordon Freeman, but it's all gameplay dependent and no one really gives a fuck. At most, you'll have big debates about in-universe characters against each other.
>>740609210Someone dropped the series early. Luffy's real power is the fruit of the god Nika who uses toonforce, it was just mistaken for being a "rubber man." I won't call it a good twist, but that's what is canon now.
>>740609906I already said that Saiyans and Kryptonians both have hax, but Superman's hax is easier to activate.
>>740579575>faggots still believe that Super Goy would win against Gokukek
>>740610669To think Dr. Gero spent his life creating failed androids when a sniper rifle and a bit of patience would have done the job
>>740596375Bugs Bunny ran from a common real world dog in Space Jam though
>>740579575>Base Goku.Lets see ol' Supes take a full on blast from Ultra Instinct Goku.
>>740611389I'm not American though. And arguing against the people currently in charge isn't an argument for communism.
>>740611673I'm arguing for non-intervention achieved with TKD and TAD alongside their slaves.
>>740611179Every story arc in DB is characters constantly having to find ways to fight on par with the villain of the arc through quick or instant means, every relevant character trains but their training isn't what wins the day. Superman auto wins fights because his stories are generally never about needing to punch harder at a moments notice, same goes for literally every other mainstream super hero.
>>740611671He'd tank them just the same. Supermans potential is essentially infinite because hes not a man hes an ideal
>>740610061What you mean to say is that a toon HAS to be funny regardless of the situation. That's the price you pay by using Toonforce, you HAVE to be funny even when being funny isn't a good idea, even when it's to your own detriment. And there are times when even the funniest joke won't be appreciated. Any master of the comedic arts knows to read the room.
because nothing will surpass superman 64 and going through the rings
>>740579645What the literal fuck are yoy talking about? Go eat shit.
>>740611856Don't know having to visit 240 temples all with the same "puzzle" comes pretty damn close
>>740611765What about Piccolo he can use magic which IIRC is Superman's other weakness.
>>740583382>Planets like Earth rotates at 1600 or something km/h. >big ones like Jupiter/Saturn pass the 30k mark>chain it in a way that would make it 100% stop>everything would fucking explodes eastward at supersonic speed. who was the retard that thought this would actually work? lol
>>740612020Superman isn't weak to magic he just has no special resistance to it, just like everyone else in Dragon Ball so really this is a Zatanna upscale.
>>740608642>No coin soundmissed opportunity
>>740612020He'd survive and find a way to beat him because superman not a man. Even when he loses he wins. Why do think he keeps coming back from the dead
>>740612107>Superman isn't weak to magic he just has no special resistanceUHVUHDUH KUHDUHVRUH
KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>740612318Yeah, DEH man could unironically kill Superman
>>740611937Arranging metal objects to complete a giant circuit is the same as a combat trial?
>>740611765>teleports behind him>sends him to some planet that's full of Kryptonite>Superman just die without Goku doing anything.nothing personell, kid.
>>740611837>And there are times when even the funniest joke won't be appreciated. Any master of the comedic arts knows to read the room.Wrong. Because in the case of a deathbattle fight, a toon would have the meta knowledge required to know that us, the audience, are watching the fight on a mongolian basketweaving forum, meaning that no matter how sad or serious the fight is, no matter how much a joke wouldn't be appreciated, they know that WE would find it funny, so they'd do it and win.
>not even the strongest DC heroflash outran DEATH, goku got reincarnated
>>740583382what is that chain made of and what was it attached to?also how the fuck did those planets survive being pulled away from the orbit of their stars?Silver Age Sups was Popeye level nonsence as far as power scaling goesGoke cannot beat him, but Arale sure can
>>740612402... Is doing the laundry so Laufey can spend more time with her BVLLS
superman is the best hero because leftists hate him for being a handsome powerful yakubianite and rightists hate him for being a foreigner created by a kike
>>740579787the only two characters that fit the mold of "everyone knows who this is" that you would even put into that spotlight are Mario and Sonic and like you said without a shitload of cope Sonic wins that because being a shitzillion times faster tends to do that, also people don't get as heated over it unless you start bringing in the real hyperautists
>>740601189ouch, i didn't know Sups took it up his ass in an official DC comicat least when Japan does this, it's in unofficial doujins
>>740612467Goku can't and won't do that. IT works by teleporting you to a persons ki signature. Krypton exploded so he can't IT to it since nobody lives there any more, the only other sources he could IT to would be one of Lex Luthor's hidden caches or Batman's but he would have to be able to identity the ki of specific lexcorp workers and when they'd be in range of the kryptonite and in Batman's case he'd have to convince Batman to help him out. Metallo is a cyborg with no ki to detect and Element Man would also never help Goku fight Superman either. Goku could also teleport Superman to planet with a red sun like King Kai's planet, however Superman wouldn't lose his powers instantly since his body stores sunlight like a battery so nothing stops Superman from flying away since he can survive in space unaided and Goku can't. Goku wouldn't do this however because he's too much of a fightfag, when he fights an opponent he wants to fight them at their best and wouldn't resort to cheap tricks.
>>740579575They would be great friends and goku would be fucking thrilled if someone could hand him his ass that wasn’t also trying to blow up the planet.
>>740579575You can't top Superman 64 with the Superman IP
>>740611130you can make one. it will just come out like superman 64
>>740579575Superfag is weak to anal sex....
>>740613052>ITok, just ask supreme kai to use his kaikai teleport hax instead. done
>>740613390>Hey King Kai, please teleport Freiza into the sun kthx.
This is THE thread.
>>740603249Monsterification in OPM works by someone breaking his limiter with a clear goal in mindGarou being absurdly talented had very high celling to break as a limiter and his goal was half hearted because he wanted to become a monster out of heroic reasonsSaitama was normal and had a low celling limiter and he broke with the explicit purpose of beating bad guys in one punch, that's why he cannot use his infinite strength against an innocent mosquito, his power is 100% lawfull good aligned and works similar to a Paladin's
>>740604464Just look at which has the most reasonable data to extrapolate from>MechanicsConsistent and replicable data.>AnimeInconsistent data, Pikachu on his own fluctuates so wildly in power each second of an episode that you can describe the power level to whatever's convenient in a moment.>Dex entriesOutright lies, only a fool would trust it when it's so easily proven false.
>>740612467>the waku waku guy is going to end a fight as soon as possible
>>740606007how would a lack of sence of humar save you from Popeye when he's high on spinach?not much you can do when you are punched so hard into space you rearange the constelation as you fly past by, no matter wether you find it funny or not
>>740596452Nigga, i would play the shit out of that.Just trying to imagine the fun ways the devs could set up some shitty humor... damn, someone hire this nerd.
>>740579670A traditional manhattan+ open world superman game with a karma system that let's you choose to be classic non lethal/jail only superman, to lawful evil injustice superman, to full brightburn murderhobo superman would have to sell numbers approaching approaching gta tier at least, right?
The Lions would beat the sun.
>>740579819>nowThis was in the 60s, anon. Silver Age Superman was so strong that they had to NERF him and scale back his powers once the writers wanted to tell more serious stories. Later on in the 2000s, one of the big bads was Superboy Prime. Prime's whole gimmick was that he had the full, unnerfed power of Silver Age Superman on top of an immunity to kryptonite. This combination allowed Superboy Prime to literally solo the entire modern day DC universe. Prime was so durable that he could withstand the explosion of a universe and his punches were so powerful that they could warp reality. To beat him, modern day Superman had to team up with Bronze Age Superman (the first Superman ever) to beat him, and Bronze Age Superman still died. That's how strong Superboy Prime is. And THAT'S how strong Silver Age Superman (60s-80s) would've been if he ever went all out. So there was never NOT a time when Superman wasn't a walking god in the comics
>>740613209Not necessarily. https://youtu.be/fnPVwyf1eAQ
>>740613805Just beat him before he eats the spinach. Toons need a setup to deliver a punchline. Don't give them that setup. Anti the fuck out of any joke they try to make. Hurt them in ways that aren't funny at all.
>>740579819Because back in the day comics writers would just have him doing the most ridiculous shit like >>740614446 where he flies to another universe just to sneeze without destroying anything that could be important.
>>740613667>implying HEROku would be lethally fighting SuperCHAD in the first place and not just a sparring matchWe're being BLOODLUSTED here anon.
>>740580080>Snyder made him a Jesus analogue and it kind of just stuck to the character ever sinceBlatantly wrong. Superman was always op.>>740580427>And yet he loses to rich kid that dresses like a bat lmaoEven Batman doesn't believe he can beat Superman in a straight fight. All of his plans hinge on Superman holding back and not even using a fraction of his power. It's a literal plot point that Superman holds back 99% of the time, even when villains mind control him. For example, Superman isn't going to accelerate to a faster than light speed on earth because of collateral damage. In some comics, he's hesitant to even break the sound barrier because of the sonic boom that comes with it. The New 52 Superman vs Darkseid movie showed this off pretty well. Superman spends the whole movie getting dog walked by Doomsday. But after the city is evacuated and Wonder Woman saves Lois, he immediately breaks the sound barrier and oneshots Doomsday, with the impact of his punch shattering glass and buildings several miles away from him
>>740615009Forgot to attach pic, but here's Batman admitting he could never beat Superman, if Superman actually tried to kill him.
>>740584185>or Samus vs Masterchief (aka Haloid), or Samus vs Doomguy happen?To be fair that's another one people consider a stomp for Samus since Chozo tech and genes are busted by comparison.
>>740579575American comics are fucking trash and always have been.>gamerI am not a "gamer" you zoomer faggot.
>>740615250>I am not a "gamer"Kek, classic /v/bro.
>>740579575>gather dragon balls>wish for kryptonite>bye bye "super"man
>>740609671>Super Saiyan is from Krillin dying. Super Saiyan God is from a magic ritual. Super Saiyan Blue is from being near Gods/Angels. Fusion is from magic items/dance moves.Super Saiyan requires the Saiyan to be at a certain level of strength to achieve if all it took was rage Goku would have turned into a Super Saiyan as a kid the first time Killin died. Same with SS2 mind you Grade 2, 3 and Super Saiyan 3 were all training only. God is correct when it came to Goku, however Vegeta trained for it. Both also trained for Blue.>He spends a lot of time constantly fighting crime and other Super Powered beings. He actually has more experience than Goku.That's true in the sense that DC doesn't end but if we're talking say, how long they've been training and defending themselves that goes to Goku who basically had to fend for himself since he was, what, seven? That and he's not as broken as Superman, he could realistically be injured making a mistake.
>>740584731>impervious to all forms of damage except for a few exceptions that are out of reach for 99.9999999% of people (blotting out the sun, magic, kryptonite, some weird anti-matter bullshit science thingy, altering history)You secondaries always out yourselves. Superman at his base has planet level durability. When he's sundipped, then he has universal level durability. When Superman isn't sundipped, then any Green Lantern, Blue Lantern, Orange Lantern, Black Lantern, Red Lantern can hurt him. Black Adam, Mongol, Lobo, Brainiac, Parasyte, Livewire, Banshee, Shazam, Kryptonians, and the New Gods can also harm him. Enemies like Darkseid, Superboy Prime, Mandrakk, the Anti-Monitor, the Darkest Knight, Parallax etc. are flat out stronger than Superman.Superman also outright admits that he has no magical immunity. He has a resistant to magic spells like fire or lightning. But a simple spell that does something like cut people in half WILL effect him. Which means that any mage or sorcerer that gets the drop on him, CAN beat him.
>>740611737Thats western vs eastern philosophy.Eastern heroes are all about the good guys being weaker than the bad guys and rising to success through hard work, dedication, ingenuity, and friendship.Western heroes are all about the good guys being stronger than the bad guys and winning because you are morally correct.
>>740614780Popeye is indestructible in his base form, the spinach just makes him unstopable on top of thatthe character quite literally broke the 4th wall to punch his own author, not even Bugs Bunny did that
>>740616374Lace the spinach with Dip. Not even Popeye is immune to Dip. Watch that fucker dissolve from the inside out.
Personally, the fact that Superman and other Western comic heroes has been so thoroughly raped (literally lol) and has so many interpretations (many of which contradict one another in terms of their powers, their wins/losses, actual lore, who they are, etc.) just makes me not take the lore or whatever seriously. They just exist to make money for DC and Marvel nothing more. Their powers are meaningless and that Superman vs. Goku fights are pointless autistic squabbles.It's not that Japanese/Eastern manga don't have the same end to make their publishers money. It's just that they're WAYYY more consistent on average and I don't have to worry about runs or different artists/writers changing shit. Not to mention I can just ignore shit I don't like or care about lik anything after GT.
>>740611737>>740616019You're both blatantly wrong, and you're both just crafting a false narrative to get angry at.Western Heroes are not about good guys being stronger than the bad guys. Literally where the fuck did you get that shit from? Western heroes is about people using their supernatural talent to perform incredible feats of either courage or heroism.It's roots come from mythical figures like Hercules, Achilles, King Arthur, Odysseus, Beowulf, and Jason and the Argonauts. These figures weren't always the most moral (such as with Arthur, Jason, and Achilles) or the most powerful (Jason, Arthur, Odysseus etc.). What made them notable was the incredible feats they performed in their lives, and the sheer force of will and tenacity that they demonstrated as they struggle.Modern day heroes are rooted in that philosophy. Do you think Superman is effortlessly beating Zod, Bizzaro, Darkseid, Lobo, Brainiac, Parasyte, Ultraman, Mongol etc?Do you think Batman is effortlessly beating Killer Croc, Manbat, Bane, The Court of Owls, Ra Aul Gaul?Do you think the Flash is effortlessly beating Hunter Zolomon, Revere Flash, or Black Flash? Do you think Spider-Man is effortlessly beating Venom, Carnage, Scorpion, Rhino, or Green Goblin?Do you think Thor is effortlessly beating Loki, Gorr, Enchantress, Hela, Surtur, or Thanos?Heroes are almost never stronger than the main villain. They're usually only stronger than the mooks that the main villain employs. And to beat the villain, the hero will usually have to go through trials and tribulations that test him not only physically, but also mentally.
>>740616860Same. Who the fuck even enjoys seeing Superman get raped or him killing his own wife and kids? It's spiteful doujinshi territory yet it's completely canon lol
>>740617115The actual answer is that comic books don't fucking end. Villains are all over the place because nobody is willing to just put a cap on it.
>>740583382Goku is an universe buster in dragon ball super
>>740616860>It's just that they're WAYYY more consistent on averageI would say it's mostly just that they are expected to tell a story and then end. Sure, you have zombie franchises like Naruto or Dragon Ball. But for the most part your average famous Shounen hero's story is done. You can tell new stories with the same characters, and sometimes make a badly received sequel set years later, but on average Goku's story was finished in 1995 and nobody (Other than GT) tried to pretend otherwise.
>>740616860You do know you don't have to read the ongoing series, right? You can just read the finished stories, and the stories that take place in alternative universes. That way, you get a story by one writer, with one vision, and a story that has a beginning, a middle, and a definitive end.For example, my favorite comic book stories are:>Kingdom Come>Superman: Red Son>Superman: Secret Identity>All Star Superman>Spiderman: Blue>Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows>Ultimate Spider-Man >X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills>X-Men: Days of Futures Past>Green Lantern: Rebirth (2004)>Batman: Earth One>Batman: White Knight>Birds of Prey (Gail Run)>Earth X>Green Lantern (Geoff Johnson run) - you admittedtly need a reading order for this one, but it has some of my favorite stories in DC: Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, Sinesteo Corp War, Superboy Prime etc.
>>740596375toon force is just another dimensionany reality tamper can erase it from existence.
>>740611554Gen Z doomguy fans are the most autistic people you will meet
>>740602936Alternatively: Humans are just really fucking strong in Pokemon.
Mario > SonicMario > cucknic
>>740579575Yamcha solos marvelslop.
>>740618891Post Mario having any feats when he uses flight abilities NOW
>>740602356Completely untrue.
>>740617832Ultimate spiderman is dogshit lol
>>740602936What are 900k lions gonna do about a butterfree thats floating 20 feet off the ground though?
>>740580364>>740579575>Capeshit
Haha, so true!
>>740618891
>>740604579>>740604636>>740605580>troonforce>forced powerupI not laughing.
>>740610975>>740610853>Death fanfic
>>740619845>>740619695Eslku...
>>740608401>neocons never stopped seething about commiesCorrect>commies never stopped seething about other commiesAlso correct
>Dbz spic mass replying in seethe
Good morning sirs
>>740611735>the commie's solution is mass genocideSomehow that's the communist solution to everything
>>740619919Brownoid...
>>740579575How is this video game?
I don't know why people act as though Goku is literally the most powerful character in fiction. He has the potential I guess, sure, but all the dude really knows how to do is punch super hard and shoot out energy beams.
>>740604660What her endgame?https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=16726243&tags=kryptonite_cock_ringhttps://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=15123357&tags=kryptonite_cock_ring
>>740579575Goku's power level is way higher than Superman's. I'm not sure this dude is familiar with either one of them.
>>740604579He watch wan piss?XD
>>740619492fucker has to land eventually
>>740620313>Goku's power level is way higher than Superman's. I'm not sure this dude is familiar with either one of them.Superman literally is stronger than the concept of infinity while Goku dies to the vacuum of space.
>>740620243Goku's NEVER lost...!!!!!............unless it was to vegeta, or cell, or vegeta again, or frieza, or black, or jiren, or frieza again, or vegeta again again...
>>740620512Or space AIDS, can't forget that
>>740620243He can teleport ridiculously vast distances.He's trained his reflexes and martial arts style well well well beyond the peak of human potential, which were already beyond superhuman by irl standards in the orginal dragon ball, back when humans could keep up with Goku.And his punches and energy beams have been capable of destroying planets since probably before the beginning of dragon ball z.
>>740620243True.
>>740608713You gotta be kidding meThat's some plot bullshit
>>740620506Superman got knocked out by touching an electrified pothole in JLU
>>740620887And endgame goku got incapacitated by a normal fire hydrant in dbs along with being speedblitzed by a train, etc. The matter is that Superman's peaks will always be higher than Goku's.
WHOKU???SUPERWHO???
>>740620759And yet a single beam to the heart was enough to kill him, kek
>>740620874Plot bullshit was the very essence of Batkek.
>>740620243you missed the Saiyan's gene part where they can grow indefinitely as long as they don't die?
>>740620243>I don't know why people act as though Goku is literally the most powerful character in fiction.Because they want him to be. Dragon Ball was the coolest thing in a lot of people's childhoods. It's the first piece of media where you'll actually see planet busters. Goku dedicates himself solely to training as well. Dragon Ball is the face of powerscaling. Even the biggest DBZ downplayers will eventually find themselves arguing that their hero totally beats Goku. Why? Because Goku is the benchmark, because they want Goku's approval.
>>740621328Honestly considering there's art out there that exists of Goku/Black fucking girls from Fortnite, I wouldn't be surprised if it's literally just a self-insert thing
>>740620243Goku can't even solo his own verse. Nearly every main villain he fought, he either lost to or had help defeating. Goku fans are just ridiculous.
>>740579670>evil SupermenI'M SO SICK OF THIS SHIT FUCK OFF ALREADY
>>740621328>Because they want him to be. Dragon Ball was the coolest thing in a lot of people's childhoods. It's the first piece of media where you'll actually see planet busters. Goku dedicates himself solely to training as well. Dragon Ball is the face of powerscaling.This just sounds like you're a spic who only watches Shitgon ball and nothing else. Even the side series (that was the older series) Dr Slump had Arale busting planets long before Goku did. I can already remember Transformers having at least one case way earlier than Dragon ball did off the top of my head. Gokufags pretend DBZ is the only series disingenuously.
invincible had a decent evil superman and then fucked it up by making him cry after beating up his son
>>740579575OK but what about Goku vs. Martian Manhunter?
>>740620982>The matter is that Superman's peaks will always be higher than Goku's.DBspics can never comprehend the truth of this statement.
>>740587970Who is Spencer?
>>740590528They weren't serious punches
>>740599476Kirby has grown larger as he's aged.
>>740621950>This just sounds like you're a spic who only watches Shitgon ball and nothing elseDude it's no secret that the West's action cartoons are completely inferior to Japan's. Stuff like Naruto and Dragon Ball completely blew kids away with their level of violence. That's why people shill for Goku so hard.>Even the side series (that was the older series) Dr Slump had Arale busting planets long before Goku did. That's a gag series, I mean a completely serious detonation of a planet done by one character, most notably Frieza destroying Planet Vegeta.>I can already remember Transformers having at least one case way earlier than Dragon ball didCan you be more specific?
>>740621879NTA and this may sound cringe, but the ending of Superman vs. The Elite is what turned me around and made me love Superman. Or rather, have an epiphany as to why he's such a good and beloved character. You get to finally see him let loose a bunch of thugs, effectively putting the lives of every civilian around him in danger, all while scaring the absolute shit out of everyone, including all of the world's governments. Yeah, the "It was just a prank, bro" twist is a little on the nose, but it's still fun to see. Superman's a boy scout, and that's why we love him. Because despite being arguably the most powerful being in the universe, you can trust him to always do the right thing, and he's an example that you can lead by. If you gave his powers to anyone else, they would instantly misuse them. I used to think that Superman was boring, too. That it would be cooler if he was a bad guy. But then you take a step back and realize that he's the perfect character. Not that he quite literally and figuratively is perfect, but that he tries just as much as everyone else does to do the right thing, which ironically makes him incredibly human in that respect.But honestly I've never really read any of the comics or watched the shows and movies to much of an extent, so what do I know. I'm just some fag giving my opinion online in a retarded bait thread.
>>740595998deathstroketripsfflash.webm
>>740622623This is really from his game and not a parody? That's hilarious.
>>740579787Simply because gamers are smart enough to use anti-feats to set limits for how strong their characters are. There's no bullshitting "Link is actually FTL because he moved out of the way of a Beamos once" because nobody who has played a Zelda game long enough to encounter a Beamos is stupid enough to think the beam is actually lightspeed. Hell, Breath of the Wild gives you the Guardians, and we can compare their laser speed to the horses and birds in the game. Unless both the birds and horses are actually Mach 500+, there's no way a Guardian's beam is the speed of light.Meanwhile comic-fags will look you dead in the eye and tell you that Spiderman is FTL because he dodged a laser once (ignoring his fucking precognition due to Spider Sense).
>>740622872Yup. Little man can suck up vending machines and cars too.
kwab
>>740622742>This just sounds like you're a spic who only watches Shitgon ball and nothing else>Dude it's no secret that the West's action cartoons are completely inferior to Japan's. Stuff like Naruto and Dragon Ball completely blew kids away with their level of violence. That's why people shill for Goku so hard.>Even the side series (that was the older series) Dr Slump had Arale busting planets long before Goku did. >That's a gag series, I mean a completely serious detonation of a planet done by one character, most notably Frieza destroying Planet Vegeta.>>I can already remember Transformers having at least one case way earlier than Dragon ball did>Can you be more specific?1. The west mostly went all in on painstakingly tedious golden age cartoon smoothness and comedy than action, which a lot of Japan got inspired by.2. Unicron eating a Cybertronian planet predates Frieza.
>>740623105canon btw
>>740620990No one cares about gook """heroes"""
>>740579575Capeshit is gay and Superman is the gayest of them all
>>740604810he is pulling his punches 100% of the time, just on the first season he makes a "serious" punch on of ther strongest beings a one shots him
>>740620982>And endgame goku got incapacitated by a normal fire hydrant in dbs along with being speedblitzed by a train, etc.No he didn't. The worst performance Goku had was getting bruised by bullets he blocked in base form after years of not training.
>>740622623
>>7405829191 billion lions clears, but 1 billion indian elephants jobs supremely
>>740623349>>And endgame goku got incapacitated by a normal fire hydrant in dbs along with being speedblitzed by a train, etc.>No he didn't. The worst performance Goku had was getting bruised by bullets he blocked in base form after years of not training.Why do you lie?
>>740623105double kwab
>>740620243He's not the most powerful DB character, always being outclassed at every point in the story until the end of Z, but he's also actually a galaxy buster with massively faster than light speeds without the need for wanking. Frieza actually on-screen destroys a planet in his base form without even trying. Twice. There's no taking statements out of context, there's no ridiculous upscaling needed. Frieza, as a matter of fact, is able to point his finger and destroy a planet 10x the size of Earth. And by the beginning of the very next arc, his form that is 200x as powerful as his base form gets fodderized by a character who himself is fodderized by the Androids. Very few other series have actual feats that put their characters at planetary. Goku, by the end of Dragon Ball Z, is significantly stronger than basically every single canon feat of strength shown in any comic, movie, or video game ever created at that point. The only one who could match his strength with actual feats in 1994 was Superman himself.
>>740604680lel
>>740623690CANON!
>>740623387Kek
>>740623121>2. Unicron eating a Cybertronian planet predates Frieza.Isn't Unicron planet sized himself? That's not really the same thing.And from what I can see the media where he does that is too old to be a lot of people's childhoods like DBZ was.
>>740623105>>740623690>Narutard
powerscaling autism especially with crossovers is some of the most autistic shit ever. youtube briefly kept shoving them in my feed and its embarrassing how seriously powerscale autists treat it and pretend like its some sort of definitive science.
>>740623105>>740623690KEKWHATABITCH
>>740590161>these rubes aren't worthy to lick your feet, saitama... leave them to us...
mooooodsdeath battle autism is leaking onto V
>>740623896The Great Degenerate is an actually incredible hero name. I don't know why he's complaining.
>>740579575Capeshit faggot Jews are getting uppity again I see Superman is a cuck
>>740579819Because Superman is a cringe power fantasy for Jews >>740579575Also his son is a faggot lmao
>>740582919How did this retarded meme even started?
>>740623893>KEK>WHAT>A>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE RANDOM ANIMAL-SAMA.Saitama bros...
Code, anyone?I need to finish cape grinding tac and stock up on accolades, personally.Might bother finishing antennae grinding snipe, mainly cause I like playing him so much.
>>740624615>seethe
>>740624292superman and batman are the only good things to come out of comic book capeshitand superman is only good as the mascot of generic 20th century superhero and not for actually consuming his mediaand batman is only good because he gave us that movie series with heath ledger joker and now that those movies executed so well on that version of batman there is no room to keep trying to copy it and anything else from batman/joker isn't worth consuming.
>>740624823Disregard. I'm stoned.
>>740579819God's chosen among the profane.
>>740624615Random animals in OPM are bullshit. Saitama is explicitly faster than light and yet he gets outsped by a singular mosquito. The episode 3 mosquito would outspeed The Flash.
>>740579787Because powerscaling is retarded and has only gotten more retarded over the years. The few attempts at powerscaling Mario always acts like Chance time (yes the fucking event from the party game spinoff) is a real power and that Sonic is DBZ.I don't give a flying fuck if Sonic can beat Mario or not. Sonic and Mario should be buds. I'd rather see them cooperate in a real crossover than have them do some dumbfuck dbz fight.
>>740579787The Mario universe and, by proxy, Mario characters operate a lot on toon force compared to Sonic's universe and power system. Toon force invalidates many if not all power dynamics.
>>740585772Never mind the insane gravitational effects that planet apply to each other at such close distances. Those planets are 100% dead and Supes is a villain.
>>740623461Super was such a mistake
>>740625257Scaling is always funny when its like>he was walking around this guy that had THE POWER OF THE MEGA GIGA STAR THAT SCALES TO THE GALAXY which means he must be relative to him in speed>also because of newtons third napkin or whatever, since this guy can fire a gun he can logically take the equal and opposite force so he has building level durability>but since he punched the galactic star boosted man that also means he can tank at least a galaxy level attakc without dying otherwise he would have blown up on contact!!Now run and jump man is some type of speedster gigatank
>>740623461The sad truth of the matter is Toriyama wanted to write comedy, he never wanted to be the anime fighting guy.
>>740608882>The other reply got purged for copyright/co/ confirmed to be infiltrated by shills
>>740622478>has to punch guy 20 times>uhm actually only the last punch was a real punch
>>740616860>care about lik anything after GT.Imagine thinking GT is worth watching.
People underestimate Superman's battle IQ by miles. That said, let's compare them in various categories:Pure physical strength : SupermanPure hand-to-hand combat skill : GokuAdapting during a fight : GokuLearning new techniques: Goku Battlefield leadership : Superman Strategic thinking outside combat : SupermanThey're basically tied, but you could add a seventh category for overall battle IQ and Goku takes it. It's a narrow lead, but Clark lacks feats related to physical finesse and actual technical skill, he's a bullet that throws himself at enemies as quick as he can. He also has the weakness of enemies who stay enemies - Goku befriends basically everyone eventually. There's no telling exactly where Superman's enemies will be - The chances of one intervening with Kryptonite and inadvertantly uniting the pair is more likely than either of them fighting to the bitter end. Be real, that's how all of these dream matches go. One guy gets the upper hand with his thing, the other guy gets the upper hand with his thing, then they both unite to take down something bigger than their own fight and they shake hands at the end and the scaling battle continues forever as God intended
>>740608031That's the prep time for you.
>>740623893>>740624615Saitama's reputation has truly went downhill thanks to S3.
>>740626218I really don't care what the group consensus on GT is. I liked it when I was young, I still kinda like it now and the people that hated GT loved Super and Daima and those were objectively worse trainwrecks than GT ever was. GT needed to be organized better in terms of the main villains and the actual journey part, but it is enjoyable enough and the special at the end is a proper send off for the Dragon Ball franchice. Super and Daima are just unforgivably bad.
>>740620512Please note: Goku not was significantly stronger than these characters and defeated them on several occasions (Frieza on Namek, Frieza on earth, Jiren in the ToP) and in some cases even held back against them see: Majin Vegeta.Many of his "losses" were the result of interrupted fights, a defeated character getting a second wind because he didn't kill them.
Here's a new age matchup for youse.
>>740627085>Goku not was significantly stronger than these characters and defeated them on several occasions (Frieza on Namek, Frieza on earth, Jiren in the ToP) and in some cases even held back against them see: Majin Vegeta.Goku had extreme help against Frieza and Jiren and he only could get to his strongest states against them because of his teammates either stalling the villain for his recovery or other shit.
>>740627148Honestly, that one is a lot less autistic since one person made both of them and he can stop all the Aspergers patients from powerscaling over retarded bullshit. I never got why nerdy fags do this shit man.
GT has the benefit of actually still feeling like old Dragonball.>But what about *gagshit scene*Old Dragonball is not as good as you remember.
>>740627234No, these are two characters by two separate creators. Anton only became a Peppino clone after the success of Pizza Tower.
>>740579575I'm against Superman anything because he's the most boring character possible.
>>740592447Pokemon restore their PP with a short rest retardbro. Rayquaza solos while resting in the ozone layer.
The ideal superman game gives him his full power set, but is an 'open world' sandbox. The game world has an 'approval' state for supes and a 'fear' and hopelessness mechanics. You see super man has to save the people out of the burning building (set by luthor)...But if he super speed flies in only... uh, whoops. He just sonic boom destroyed the entire building, into dust, and red misted every human nearby.Whereas for a 'perfect score' for that 'mission' superman would have to>super speed fast enough that time almost seems to stop NEARBY the building.>scan with xray vision etc to identify everyone.>super speed at JUST the right speed to get to everyone in time without killing them, land them on the ground safely outside without hurting them>then use rewind time fly backwards around the earth power to get MORE time to deal with the house fire>now he has to carefully use breath power to blow out the fire without, again, flattening building>then he has to find a girder pile to pick beams up and spot well into place with heat vision to repair the damage enough to brace the building to make it safe.>then he has to rewind time some more. So he now has time to inspect the building and find the bits of gas can and rag with one of authors fingerprints on it and surreptitiously move it aside so it doesn't get all burnt up.>while he rewinds time some more so that Clark went can simultaneously show up to photograph with Jimmy superman walking out and saving everyone bla bla bla... then going in to 'investigate ' and "find" the fascinating and rage, to report on and call the cops over.>then supes has to fly over an arrest the crook and bring him to the cops, unharmed,On and on an on.
>>740627573Only dedicated healing such as a Pokémon center or a Mom taking care of your pokemon while they sleep works for restoring PP. The roaming legendaries are proof of this, as they don't get their health reset if they flee from battle.
>>740613629>>Dex entries>Outright lies, only a fool would trust it when it's so easily proven false.>Translation: I must cope because Pokemon solos my shitty cats with ease.
IF SUPERMAN gets everything perfect, the people don't lose hope, gain fear of him, lose approval, and they trust in truth, freedom and the american way, and luthor gets closer to being arrested.And don't forget that while supes is fighting the building fire, there is ALSO a mugging taking place accross town, three cats stuck up a tree, four lost dogs, a kid stuck in a hole in a cave,And that's not even talking about the looming threat to the whole planet of some actual bad guy, like braniac plotting to bottle up new York.. >Ok, let him take new York away. It is mostly necessary and retards druggies and fags.Fuck up too much and Earth under President luthor joins forces under arms to fight the evil alien superman..This means the player would actually have to be smart and use all of superman powers, supes mind etc.It would be far too tedious and boring for too many players who are spoon-fed retards. There is not enough blue fucking paint on earth for what you'd need to Lowest Common Denominator that shit.
Before thread dies, tell me what's more latently homosexual.Power-scaling or shipping?
>>740614149You're describing Infamous.
Never trust pokemon scalers, they're the most disingenuous liars out there.
>>740627971>Power-scaling or shipping?Unironically powerscaling is somehow more gay and annoying, though shipping is a close second.
>>740627045>Super and Daima are just unforgivably bad.And now you know how everyone felt about GT, the only difference is that GT actually is unforgivable.Daima and Super have some interesting and somewhat original ideas that don't go against the original story and lore in any significant manner and Daima has consistently good animation, Super comes and goes but even it has its moments.GT on the other hand just gave the middle finger to Dragonball doing things that didn't make sense like the black star balls for example for two reasons, one the normal earth balls were stated to be the first and they would have been detected by the radar several times over.The animation was also a complete travesty, there's not a single good piece of animation in it. You're not going to find a single moment of GT where Goku or anyone move like this for example so there's not a single real enjoyable moment in GT by any metric that's why the only defence for it you'll ever see is deflecting to Super and Daima rather than a real defence of GT much like you did right now.
>>740579787>>740625265>>740608642The common "hurr this character who's whole thing isnt speed can perceive this speed character" doesnt work here btw. Mario literally can't react to how fast Sonic is.
>>740628146the defense you put out for super and daipa is how i feel about gt.
>>740606016So unlike Homelander who only offered to suck dick and eat shit, Superman CANONICALLY sucked dick and ate shit? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
>>740628213Mario literally has toonforce on a greater level than Sonic.
>>740628213>The common "hurr this character who's whole thing isnt speed can perceive this speed character" doesnt work here btw. Mario literally can't react to how fast Sonic is.speed doesn't = win, and mario has traveled the galaxy in secondsalso>Mario instantly perfect counters Sonic the second he gets close just like in his many rpgs
>>740579575Ignoring autistic power scalers, my personal headcanon is superman is roughly on the level of super saiyan 3, for no other reason than I think he should give goku a good fight and it'd be kino to see them both go all out, but ultimately goku has the edge, i think. (ignoring super)
>>740627232>Goku had extreme help against Frieza and JirenNot really.Frieza didn't take any damage from anyone else other than Goku after he transformed into his third form let alone his final and every transformation basically refreshed him so it was all on Goku. The only stalling was to gather energy for the spirit bomb rather than recovery, which didn't work. Much the same with Jiren, no one really stalled him and even Vegeta firing a Final Flash at him did nothing, the only thing that did anything was again Goku who defeated him extremely quickly in the anime until his body gave out giving Jiren a second wind.
>>740628463and i'm using mario traveling across universes for reaction speed, before you say "launch stars", mario can react to things while being space catapulted
>>740628423You're going to have a hard time arguing that GT didn't mess with the story or lore and has good animation and I'd love to see you try.
>>740628446>toonforce is taken seriously>but not the anti-feats that come with it
>>740628672Every single development of dragonball shits on what came before, even Z can't keep its story straight.
finally this shitty powerscale thread can die, next time op, just use a superman solo image so we can actually talk about his games this time and not shitku
>>740627971Power scaling is literally just "MY FAVORITE CHARACTER IS BETTER THAN YOURS" at its core and doing extreme mental gymnastics to justify it. Rather than appreciating a character for their writing or struggles you boil the whole thing down to numbers and get into internet slapfights about it. Thankfully no sane writer bends to their will, even when doing crossover battles.Shippers are genuine fucking freaks that should be executed en masse. Caring about whether or not a character hooks up with another and getting into keyboard wars over it is probably the most pathetic shit I've ever seen.
>>740579575Superman solos all Goku's forms./thread
>>740579575>>740579787>>740583382>Be Superman/Goku>Lose to a rabbit from Brooklyn
>>740628797It doesn't really but we're talking about GT here, don't deflect like you fanboys usually do, post some good animation or make an argument.
>>740579787>Why does gaming have no Goku vs. Superman tier debate between characters? Almost everyone agrees Sonic would beat the shit out of Mario or that Dante would easily kill Kratos but even then the debates dont get as heated or detailed by comparison.Very false statements all around.
>>740628992>He's right behind me isn't he?
>>740601189Is it true?
>>740628992>imageGoku dies 3 seconds later, but Bugs didn't even have to lift a finger because Goku can't fucking survive outer space. Even bugs bunny can do it without a suit or helmet.
>>740579787The Emperor from Warhammer40k would absolutely destroy the Emperor from Star Wars.
ok so then i powerscale yugi to be the strongest character in fictionyour character instantly dies to mirror forcei win its over.
>>740629183Nah, you forget that Goku has toonforce blood in him, that's why he didn't get destroyed by Arale while Vegeta did.
>>740629268>Nah, you forget that Goku has toonforce blood in him, that's why he didn't get destroyed by Arale while Vegeta did.Not how it works, and Arale playing around had goku using his 100% on her to just calm her down. Also Goku's consistently stated to not be able to survive if he goes to far space.
>>740629234I smeared shit over his Mirror Force card so he can't use it, I win the duel.
>>740628680>fastest thing alive>fatass somehow can catch him
>>740629431Again, Goku has toon force blood in him.
>>740628672>>740629003It didn't other than introducing new shit to the Dragonball universe, just like Z did with the original Dragon Ball. Super and Daime are straight up capeshit levels of bad. Sueper Saiyan 4 Goku, Vegeta and Gogeta looked cool. What the actual fuck does Dragon ball have to do with multiverses, capeshit prophecies about the chosen one and Super Saiyan recolors? GT at least has the benefit of not trying to milk retarded Dragon Ball fans forever. It was supposed to be the end of the franchise as seen by the last episode being about Goku's great-great-grandson going to fight in a tournament and not more escapades. Also, how the fuck can you say the animation in GT is bad when you're defending the literal Korean sweatshop tier animation in Super and Daima? It's 1000x worse than GT ever was. The only reason you fags don't like GT is because some autistic sperging about how it was Toei's idea and act as if Toriyama wasn't already tired of Dragonball at the time.
>>740629452mirror force activates as you try to smear shit on it, smearing the shit inside your lungs instead causing you to die
>>740629504>Again, Goku has toon force blood in him.Kid goku*Adult goku can't even tank bullets as well as his kid form and has been given way more limiters since then as the series got more and more serious
>>740629765They're the same character, anon. Again, that's why he didn't get instantly demolished by Arale.
thought robot solos
>>740629831>They're the same character, anon. Again, that's why he didn't get instantly demolished by Arale.It was a filler episode and there was no toon shit from goku in that fight, he was struggling to break even with her just playing around, and again, goku constantly is at peril of planets blowing up because he and saiyans in general can't survive space. You're ignoring most of the series to disingenuously give him this one thing of low toon power.
stan lee solos
I spent months scavanging for can caps in order to get a """FREEE""""" copy of Superman 64 and when i got it I felt as I had been rapedNo, Superman, die
>>740629653>It didn't other than introducing new shit to the Dragonball universeYeah no. You can't make that argument when the black star balls exist. Even the depiction of Hell goes against what appeared numerous times in Z filler.So yeah GT fucked up hard there.>GT at least has the benefit of not trying to milk retarded Dragon Ball fans foreverWhy do you think it was made? Unlike Daima and Super which came about because Tori wanted to make more GT existed purely to keep the DB hype going because it was extremely popular, instead it went out in a wet fart because it was such an abysmal series, whoops.>how the fuck can you say the animation in GT is bad when you're defending the literal Korean sweatshop tier animation in Super and Daima? Because in those you're still going to get something good like this from time to time, by the way this is actual animation, not a single frame like you posted, note the movement.In GT this doesn't exist, it's just bad the entire way through. >The only reason you fags don't like GT is because some autistic sperging about how it was Toei's idea and act as if Toriyama wasn't already tired of Dragonball at the time. Well, it was Toei's idea but that's not the reason otherwise people would hate most of the DB movies which were also their idea for the most part, people just don't like GT because it's bad. It's not that hard to understand.
>>740629504to stay consistent with the rest of the series, this would just give goku enough held breath time to reach the moon and back, he dies in this length of space otherwise
>>740629653Just to drive it home, this was the fight before Goku returns and defeats Omega.It's absolutely awful like Omega has this shower of attacks and Trunks, Gohan and Goten only take one hit each? Come on.Then there's Vegeta just fading into existence like a ghost.
>>740630431Jesus, they didn't even animate Vegeta's hair going down.
>>740625257>and that Sonic is DBZ.Well...
>>740629653I don't have anything from Daima though but this drives the point home even more.This is from Super Dragonball Heroes, the video game promo series that is known for its bad animation and even that puts GT to shame.
>>740630659Actually this isn't the one I meant to post this is.So yeah, when people shit on GT it's not for some hackneyed reason like Toei making it without Tori because because these definitely weren't, it's just because GT, on its own, is BAD.
>>740625257Mario already has chance time-like abilities, so it doesn't matter. Also reminder Kirby's best feats are from party minigames, if he gets to use that Mario can use the other, it's a double standard otherwise.
>>740620990Solo leveling is bottom of the barrel slop for uncultured swines that couldn’t tell a decent anime if it cockslapped them in the face. Write your Gary Stu to be as retardedly strong as you’d like, it won’t make him any more memorable.
>>740612903>the only two characters that fit the mold of "everyone knows who this is" that you would even put into that spotlight are Mario and Sonic and like you said without a shitload of cope Sonic wins that because being a shitzillion times faster tends to do that, also people don't get as heated over it unless you start bringing in the real hyperautistsSonic gets speedblitzed by sandwiches and mechanical hands (both in canon cutscenes).Mario reacting to across universe travel speeds will allow him to land a gold flower attack on Sonic to turn him into coins eventually. Or Mario can just use vanish cap to make himself intangible until he lands hits. And lets not get into his more powerful toonforce. Mario can just whip out a broom and existence erase his enemies since SMW. Also the only people who say that downplay shit only see Mario as only having 1 or 2 early games and nothing else and HATE counting anything past SMB1 or especially RPGs where we can get Mario to crazy levels while having neverending powerups but love counting every game for Sonic in a double standard. The stuff I talked about isn't even scratching the surface, but normalfags have a hard time even comprehending that small level of shit. "Mario only jumps on a goomba, and fights a turtle" is most you'll hear, though that same turtle has many crazy feats of his own. As the years pass there's more people who know of more Mario feats and fight , as I saw through the recent twitter trend a few months ago. But then that sends more detractors pretending every Mario game that isn't SMB1 isn't canon just because they don't want to believe Mario's strong or they use "infinite" speed sonic cope (Mario also has infinite speed arguments,Nintendo + Sega made Mario win races, and he can time travel in base without the need or use of a specific planet or goalposts or stones like Sonic). If Kirby got the same type of scrutiny (and he does get it these days, but way less), he'd not hear the end of it.
