A lot of people say that this gen was the first real bad Pokemon gen. Why?
>>740633472Because it cut tons and tons of content from the previous gens and replaced it with nothingBecause the game became loaded up with cutscenes and lots and lots of rival battles, pretty much between every city
BW/BW2 had the best single player of the games IMO (though I have not played Gen 8/9 personally), but its the designs that kind of suck.This is arguably the least popular starter trio as a whole - Oshawott is ripping off Piplup's cuteness, which it loses when it evolves, Emboar is the 3rd Fire/Fighting starter in a row, Snivy line is just pure grass snake.And the other mons in the region are often derivitive of other pokemon since BW1 was designed to feature no gen 1-4 mons in its main game, so the new pokemon had to fill in.
>>740633472well those starters are ass for one
>>740633472People were simply mad they were nostalgia baited. Gen 5 is one of the best generations and was a massive improvement over DPPt.
>>740633472Oshawott final evolution makes absolutely zero sense physically. Turns from an otter into some fuckin water dog thing. What the hell?
>>740633472>dude what if geodude but new?>repeat for the entire genIt was one thing to have regional bird, bug, normal type, pikachu clone etc. Doing that for an entire pokedex is way more creatively bankrupt.Who genuinely thought Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee needed clones?
It introduced Trubbish and Garbodor, my favorite Pokemon. So it's good by me.
>>740634058Man how the fuck are the literal trash bags your favorites unironically?
>>740633817>was a massive improvement over DPPt.how?
>>740634180I like Poison types and I think the designs are cute/fun. Also the idea of rescuing an unwanted trash monster and training it up to be my best bro sounds cool.
>>740633472only oshawott is bad, tepig and snivy are top tier
>>740634202The bigger pool of pokemon that aren't locked out by the endgame that have unique typings. Battle subway. Inverse and triple battles. Instant repels. Pic related.
It's just shit, man. Horrible designs. Awful, overly linear region. And those 2 elements influence the rest of the game, so it's harder to enjoy battling if you hate the designs, and it's hard to care about exploring if everything's a straight line with nonsensical roadblocks.
>>740634314Literally just worse grimer
>>740633472The average pokemon fan throws a tantrum if they can't use their favorite Kanto mon in a playthrough, sales reflected this and pokemon was doomed ever since. USUM was good though, but that was it.
Eh, I stopped caring after Gen 2. That's what I grew up with and I don't care about anything that came after, good or bad.
>>740634575Okay. What's your favorite Pokemon?
>>740634180at least he isnt doing basic bitch picks like the rest of the retards who still cling to this kid franchise.gengarcharizardumbreonsylveongyaradosetc etc
>>740633472the roster from the previous games was replaced by a bunch of shit rival fights and a pretty hit or miss roster without a good starter these issues are removed by playing blaze black / volt white
>>740634880are we listing are favorites?mawilekirliabunearygothitabraixentinkatuff
>>740633707Not as bad as gen 2 though
>>740635001Wow. All the Pokemon that everyone wants to fuck. Surprised you don't have Gardevoir or Vaporeon.
>>740635125maybe braixen but i rarely ever see people liking the rest.
>>7406334722 is the holder of that title
>>740634779Crobat
>>740633472I actually imported the games because I couldn't fucking wait. my gripes were the mostly fuck ugly dex, hallway routes, disgusting OST, retarded plot twists you could piece the moment ghetsis opened his mouth, both rivals were dumbasses, N is literally some faggot's OC that is "totally special and can talk to pokemon". I could keep going but you get the point, the games were so bad I skipped BW2. it wasn't until some day I was bored and dared touched them that I realized how fucking kino they were. BW2 redeemed the (at the time) lowest point of the series and became the last good games before GF truly gave up
The hippo was cool
>>740635282Yeah but Kirlia, Buneary, Gothita all evolve into fucktoys. We see you.
>>740636101>evolvei don't want that.
>>740633472The first half of BW is complete dogshit. Imagine picking up a copy of your favorite franchise and the first thing the game tells you is "oh, all your favorite mons? You can't get them. Not in combination with the new mons, not at all, at least until post game". Okay, what mons DO you get? The starters first stage is fine but they get progressively worse as they evolve. Then you get the elemental monkeys which everybody has hated since release. You get a lot of rehashes and re-imagining of gen 1 archetypes except the art design is worse and there's ugly model tweening, everything is ungulating and pulsating. Eventually you get some good designs, a more fleshed out story, and actual effort in the game but by that point your experience is soiled and you've fully embraced the online hate mob that was shitting on gen5 for years.
>>740633605I think BW1 feels very fresh actually, since you don't encounter any old pokemon, it felt like a really brand new Pokemon gameyou mentioned cutscenes which I think are OK since they aren't that long>lots of rival battlesI thought we want difficult fights, those battles perfectly suited BW being full of OP mons to capture early on. Otherwise the game become really easy
>>740636759>oh, all your favorite mons? You can't get them. Not in combination with the new mons, not at all, at least until post gameWhy would you play every Pokemon game with the same thing forever all the time?
>>740636968The Kanto pokemon are the main characters. it's like a mario game without mario or luigi or peach
>>740633472Idk
>>740636968I wouldn't. But I would like to use the other old pokemon because the new designs since Gen 5 are largely dogshit.
>stated right from the beginning of RBY that Pokemon enjoy fighting and getting stronger>BW's Story: Uhm, awkshully, owning Pokemon is...LE BAD!>oh wait nvm owning Pokemon is...LE GOOD!>also 80% of this gen's designs are shit knockoffs of Kantomons, you can't use anything else before the postgame, and the region is a circle.Gee, I wonder why.
>>740637286>The Kanto pokemon are the main characters*The main characters of the Kanto games.What the hell is it with this logic?
>>740634004Pretty much this. People bitch about only being able to catch new Pokemon, but that's not the problem at all. It's cool that we actually have a new region where there's a completely new dex and you have to use the new mons. The problem is that they're all just knock-offs of first gen Pokemon. I think most of the gen 5 designs are okay, but I can't think of any off-hand that I would pick over whatever gen 1 Pokemon it's aping.
>>740637286This is the kind of retard that think BW (the most kino games of the series) is bad
Turns out when you milk a franchise for eternity and have 1100 pokemon it's hard to come up with new or interesting designs. Nothing will ever be as creative or well-designed as Gen 1-2
>>740633472Because people still pretend Diamond and Pearl were good games
4chan is the only place that shits on Black n White and that's because contrarians can't accept Unova is the best region lmao
>also 80% of this gen's designs are shit knockoffs of KantomonsReductive and dishonest. Just to entertain you:-Geodude clone-Grimer clone-Pidgey clone (which every gen has)-Rattata clone (which every gen has)-Abra clone (If we call Solosis one, I guess so)-Caterpie clone (which every gen has)-Zubat clone-Poliwag clone-Tentacool clone (looks quite distinct desu)>you can't use anything else before the postgame, and the region is a circle.I think this is a positive for me. You get to only use the brand new mons for the region.Maybe unrealistic, but Kanto also only has Kanto pokemon.I do think Gen 5 starters suck, but other than that most of them are memorable. Even the unpopular ones like Druddigon and Durant are cool too.You also get sick alien-themed ones like Beheeyem.There are many other ones but I will just be listing every one of them.Also people ignored Kanto has shitmons too.
>>740637712You can see those shitposters are just genwunners because they are comparing it to RBY onlyThis one >>740637286 is the funniest so far
>>740637837You forgot>machop clone>hitmon clones>sandshrew clone>paras clone>pokeball mimicking clone>magnemite clone>tauros cloneProbably some others too
somebody has the gen5 pokemon distribution images?there were 2 of them.one that shows the different pokemon you can catch until you beat the 1st gym for all gensandthe second one with that gigachad meme where you see that all the good and relevant mons are only available post 5th badge and especially before elite4yeah, gen5 was really trash
>>740638853Drowzee clone.Also, while not clones, I feel like its also worth bringing up what a useless waste of space the elemental monkeys are.
>>740633707>Hating smugleaf>Hating bacon that cooks itself
>>740638853Klinklang is the best. I'm sad we didn't get mega Klinklang in ZA.
>they're clones because I say they are: the threadJesus Christ.
>>740638853Venipede = WeedleAudino = ChanseyDucklett = Psyduck (probably the most elegantly executed ripoff with the ugly duckling reference)It gets even worse if we include the ripoffs beyond Gen 1.Zoroark, Alomomola, and Ferrothorn are all pretty egregious.
>>740639980Classic unovabortion, can't even acknowledge the clear and obvious references in his favorite gen.
>>740638853I think the ones that are painfully obvious are Bouffalant, but even so it still has a pretty unique design.Pokeball mimicking clone is a bad thing? I think it is actually makes sense to have another pokemon to do it not just Voltorb>magnemite cloneI think klingklang is more in the "so terrible it's good" category, I don't have any problem with it>>740639383If the Drowzee clone you mention is Munna, actually it looked pretty unique and the only thing similar is the Psychic and 2 stage evo status. You can even say Spoink is a Drowzee clone too with his logic.>>740639494after some reflection I think the final evos of gen V starters are actually pretty cool. It's just their typings are awfully boring.
Multiple reasons for me.1: It was the first generation that stopped adding mechanics that all pokemon benefitted from. Gens 2-4 all added stuff onto the mechanics of one, whether that be held items, abilities, weather, physical special split, etc. Gen 5 was the first that added nothing new besides expansions for previous systems (which every other game already did)2: It was the first generation that started a focus on a story no one cared about over a pokemon adventure3: Most of the new pokemon sucked.4: The region design sucks. It's too linear, and doesn't even feel like America. Sinnoh feels more like America than Unova does with an east/west split and way more biomes which is funny as fuck. It really does feel like they just got the tourist experience of a metropolis for America but don't actually understand what life is like there.I could go on and on about the failures of gen 5 but these 4 are the most important.
>>740640078Every similar typing is clone now? Shitty logic.Audino doesn't even have Chansey evoluton stages.Also it's only Ducklett, the evo doesn't resemble Golduck at allAre you calling Zoroark a Lucario ripoff? That's stupid.Alomomola = Luvdisc? Stupid.And what about Ferrothorn ?
>>740640185There are many clones but not everything is a clone. Munna isn't a Drowsee clone even if they are both are dream related psychic ant eaters which does sound pretty specific. It'd be like saying Alomomola is a Luvdisc clone or Gequa is a Sobble clone.
>>740634058Trubbish is cool. The evolution could have been nicer though
>>740640513>Every similar typing is clone now?No, it's just that they're all obvious references to older mons.You even immediately knew the ones for the later gen ripoffs, it's actually sad that you couldn't put together Ferrothorn and Forretress.
Why should I care that most of the Unova dex in BW are clones/spins on classic Kanto when most of them are still fun as fuck to use/train? I can say a bunch of things that are fun about most Unova shitmons unlike Kanto and other gen shitmons.
>>7406403971. Gen V added hidden abilities, multi battles, inverse battlesSure not really competitive-inclined but that's still something.2. story wasn't that obstrusive, gen 4 was pretty obnoxious too with the story, combined with its slow speed. speaking as someone who still liked gen 4, not a hater3. Just your opinion for some reason.4. It definitely feels like a tech-focused region rather than the rich biomes in the previous games, but that gave its own unique style.More of 'em takes pl0x
>>740640658>No, it's just that they're all obvious references to older mons.You ignored that previous gens have obvious references as well.Heracross = PinsirLegendary Dogs = legendary birdsMiltank = TaurosThe mandatory early game critters from 2 until 4and many more>it's actually sad that you couldn't put together Ferrothorn and ForretressWell I don't intend to make this a war like you wanted to, and I'm not a perfect human like you think yourself are
>>740633472the DS pokemon games in general are great, but BW had some problems like>incredibly linear>new mons were 90% just ripoffs of old mons>bad level curve>no endgameBW2 definitely improve on it though
>>740640529>even if they are both are dream related psychic ant eaters which does sound pretty specific.>but they totally aren't clones
>>740640678>1. Gen V added hidden abilities, multi battles, inverse battlesHidden abilities are just a third ability. They are nothing """new""". Multi battles and inverse battles are gimmicks that no one ever does.>story wasn't that obstrusiveBro, it's the first pokemon game that got a sequel for it's """story""". The cutscenes are the longest in the series up to that point apart from, I don't know, spin offs like mystery dungeon except mystery dungeon had actual characters and shit to care about and an interesting world.>Just your opinion for some reasonTrue, but most who dislike 5 share it. There are at most 20 pokes I actually like.>that gave its own unique style.Bullshit. Everything felt the fucking same, which is a strict downgrade from the direction 3 and 4 started taking. It felt so much more restrictive but in a bad way and not in a good way where they are "focusing" the game.
>>740640513Ferrothorn is Forretress.Haxorus is Tyranitar but Fraxure is an Artibax clone.Chandelure is a Gengar cloneReshiram is a Palkia clone and Zekrom is a Giratina clone.Stunfisk is a Dunsparce cloneEmboar is a Pangoro clone.Volcanora is a Vespiquen clone.Darmanitan is a Primeape clone.Carracosta is Blastoise cloneCryogonal is a Glalie clone.Golurk is a Bronzong clone.
>>740640939Now here's some genuine retardation.
>>740640827Yes, pokemon has been very derivative for its entire lifespan. I don't think I need to post the DQ ripoffs in Gen 1.Gen 5 was just one of the biggest offenders.
>>740633605>it cut tons and tons of content from the previous gens???No it didn’t. The first bad gen was 7. 6 was questionable kind of because it was the first 3D game, but the series has only regressed since 6 and built up nothing on top of it. The only thing 7 did was remove the overworld and replace it with hallways and red waypoint flags you can’t deviate from and remove legacy support. All previous gens were linked by hardware but from 7 onward you need to pay some third party fuckshit online service to trade and upload your pokemon.This coming from a (classic) Pokefag who dropped the entire series hard when Dexit happened but I had already checked out with Moon and never bought anything Nintendo related after that, all that said BW1 is my favorite Pokemon game.I piss on anyone who gives modern Nutendo money but as far as the OP topic goes the only reason this gen was “hated” is because the starters looked like dogshit. I grew to like Serperior and Samurott (kind of) over the years but Emboar is still absolute dogshit, I guess Emboar is cool by modern poketranny standards though.I miss Pokemon.
Something that I rarely see being brought up is the horrific low res models. I could never truly get used to the seemingly 15 pixel mons after the excellent 2D models from gen 4. Either the DS just wasn't up to the task or, more likely, this was another example of GameFreak "effort"
>>740633472It changed things and autists don't like change
>>740641236They do suck and they are another complaint I have but it is less of a issue compared to the gameplay stagnations and complete change in direction for story and region layout.
>>740640873It's because of the aspects of it. Drowzee which is a myth based pokemon evolves into big nosed catman with a pendulum. Munna retains it's characteristics of the myth when it evolves. Their pokedex entries show their different natures. Munna's line is mostly positive to those around it whereas Hypno's line is mostly predatory. You can have Pokemon of similar origins and still be different with execution.
I wish they kept triple battles they're way more strategic than double battles and single battles.
>>740640569Garbodor isn't a cool looking, but the concept of him just being a burst open trashbag is still neat. I think it's an underappreciated Pokemon design.
>>740641527Too complex for the average pokefan, even though it was the natural evolution for the series.
>>740641527I definitely didn't like them. They just felt like too much to me. I mean, one mistake was a game over there and there were less chances for comebacks since a wipe was way more devestating unlike doubles and singles
>>740641236My biggest complaint is that Hilda's throwing animation is also broken up into segments rather that full back sprites from the previous gen.
>>740641320I respect change but gen5 did not stick the landing and the proof is in the sales numbers. And because gen5 failed, GF's lesson they learned was to turn every future gen into Kanto dicksucking with minimal effort.
>>740633472They don't know ball. I've been playing since Gen 1. Gen 5 is my second favorite Generation, and my favorite is Gen 2 because I have nostalgia goggles for all the mechanic overhauls they made (Clock, berries, dark type, etc). BW and BW2 are incredible.
>>740641639So you just don't like a challenge?
>>740641976More that I like a back and forth rather than 1 wipe deciding a match
>>740633472It's the first generation to me where all the designs felt like they started copying older ones like Chinese knock offs. The map was forgettable to me and even the story which people like to suck off, meh. Just feels like it was trend chasing the "STOP animal abuse" headlines that were making waves at the time. The fact that Masuda considers this his magnum opus makes sense why he absolutely stopped giving any fucks every Gen after this.
>>740633472Funny, I just started playing BW for the first time. I agree that the map and towns sort of suck balls so far. Hopefully it picks up here. Also Team Plasma is retarded.
>>740634574It has the most expensive routes next to hoenn, a huge amount of side/hidden areas, but because the world map layout is straightforward people write it off
>>740642183Forgot pic.
>>740641864>gen5 did not stick the landing and the proof is in the sales numbersGen 3-7's main games had essentially the same sales numbers, only DP sold significantly more than the others and not by muchBW2 is the best selling "third version" in the series, after YellowGen V selling poorly is completely unsubstantiated cope. Pokémon as a whole stagnated after Pokémania faded, that didn't change for almost 20 years until the series found unprecedented new success on the Switch in Gen 8
>>740640915>Hidden abilities are just a third abilityBut still a new mechanic. What about Phys/Spec split, that's also nothing new - except it's just assigned to different moves now. >Bro, it's the first pokemon game that got a sequel for it's """story""".So you hate it because it has a sequel. We are talking about that the story not being obstrusive. The 3D games were worse, and Platinum started the story trend, not BW.>Bullshit. Everything felt the fucking same, which is a strict downgrade from the direction 3 and 4 started taking. It felt so much more restrictive but in a bad way and not in a good way where they are "focusing" the game.You just can't accept that style of design. Not every region needs to be a multi-biome maritime continent.>>740640939refer to this >>740640827>Ferrothorn is Forretress.Grass/Steel =/= Bug/Steel>Haxorus is Tyranitar but Fraxure is an Artibax clone.Salamence is a Dragonite clone>Chandelure is a Gengar cloneFire/Ghost =/= Ghost/PoisonRequires a Dusk Stone to evolve>Reshiram is a Palkia clone and Zekrom is a Giratina clone.Palkia is a Kyogre clone and Dialga is a Groudon clone.>Stunfisk is a Dunsparce cloneDunsparce is a Lickitung clone.>Emboar is a Pangoro clone.>Volcanora is a Vespiquen clone.>Darmanitan is a Primeape clone.>Carracosta is Blastoise clone>Cryogonal is a Glalie clone.>Golurk is a Bronzong clone.OK I know you aren't trying anymore.
>>740642225>but because the world map layout is straightforward people write it offStrange...
>>740642004Triple battles aren't blatant wipes though
>>740637339You missed the point Team plasma was a fanatic cult, they were only tricked into thinking Pokemon needed liberation. And the reason for that is power consolidation, ghetsis wanted to stir infighting and disharmony among the people and then take their mons so he can be the only one to possess them and his ancient lineage could rule uncontested. Imagine a story taking place in a fantasy america about an ancient cult of elites trying to take away self protection rights from the populace The moral is that humans don't think in such black and white terms, despite the cult brainwashing and propoganda when confronted with reality everyone was able to make their own choices
>>740642315>But still a new mechanicNot really. They don't change anything any more than adding a third ability would. If it were something like "two abilities combined" you might have a point, but it's just a third ability with extra steps and it doesn't even benefit a lot of pokes.The physicals/special split vastly helps a lot of Pokémon and single handedly made many viable by expanding viable moves. Not even for just STAB moves.>So you hate it because it has a sequelNo, I hate it because it takes more focus on story and characters yet they all suck.Other generations are not epics of grand stature either, but they also don't waste as much time as 5 does. Yes, 3d games are worse, but the story slop trend started in 5. 4 was still barebones.>You just can't accept that style of design. Not every region needs to be a multi-biome maritime continent.Yeah I can't. America is more than faggot cities and furthermore it walks back the design from 3 and 4 which tended towards more interesting region design. Again, it really feels like a tourist experience rather than a fun adventure. The fact it is so linear reinforces this too.>>740642476They were. Being able to see what is on the field allows you to prepare for fuck tons of things
>>740642291It was the worst. Especially damning because it was on the DS, a console with double the sales numbers of the GBA near the end of its lifecycle. It had twice the potential sales to make and still underperformed relative to RS, and DPP which was early on in the DS's lifespan.
>>740642578So that's why chuds like this game...
>>740633472This right here did it. >>740641320 They were simply trying to do something different and oldfags kicked and screamed like babies. So bad they broke the cycle of a 3rd game with enhanced improvements and just make a straight up sequel that brought everything back. Past gen gym leaders, past gen elite 4 members, kanto mons at the start of the game. Just shows they can't try anything new with the series.
>>740642764>They were simply trying to do something differentThey should have done something different AND good
>>740642764>They were simply trying to do something different>by copying half of the Kanto dexlollmao, even
was gen 5 the first and only to do the seasons and pokemon like Deerling that change with them? I forget
>>740643154Yes, it was the one thing I liked about gen 5
>Game is supposed to take place in America>Make a literal garbage PokemonSo funny, bravo Gamefreak
>>740642656Gen 5's sales were not significantly worse than Gen 3 and 4's. BW+BW2 sold more than RSE. You and every other person making this cope argument are factually wrong.There's no correlation between the console install base and the games' success (by the same standard, Gen 4 already "failed" compared to Gen 3). Between 2000 and 2018 Pokémon games had a consistent audience with a loose ceiling of 16 million sales for their mainline titles across several consoles because there was not a single person alive in that time who didn't know what Pokémon was and wasn't already buying the consoles if they were interested.The Pokémon franchise did not achieve significant new growth by reaching a new generation of fans until the Switch games, which have vastly outperformed everything since Gen 1.
>>740643270>>740643270love himfuck trubbish hatersme and my trash bro are gonna go dumpster diving together
>>740642340You misunderstood. The world map LOOKS linear, just from the design they chose. but unova has the most expansive routes (alongside hoenn) and most side areas (out of any 'mon game.) probably the most unique cities too?
Male Jellicent is cool.
>>740643398>Bleak Beach Trubbishmy boy
>>740642645>The physicals/special split vastly helps a lot of Pokémon and single handedly made many viable by expanding viable moves. Not even for just STAB moves.OK by what I meant is that the hidden abilities were actually lifechanging to certain pokemon. You mentioned Phys/Spec helped made certain mons viable, that's also what hidden abilities did. The easiest example: the weather wars were caused by hidden abilities that certain shitmons got from this generation.>No, I hate it because it takes more focus on story and characters yet they all suck.No, you call it suck because you just didn't like it. I am assuming you were the same anon in the past who said you don't care about stories in games and is just here for compfagging. Unless you can actually explain what you mean by that I'm not going to take you seriously regarding this story argument.The last bit about "unova doesn't depict America at its full potential" isn't more of critique but more about expecting something more. Even Japan got 3 regions (Kanto, Hoenn, Sinnoh)
>>740633472It was the last time Pokémon was good. B2W2 was peak
>>740643619>were actually lifechanging to certain pokemonSure, but they were like megas were not everyone got one. They are just 3rd abilities only some got. They are not a thing that vastly changes how the game plays like abilities themselves were, held items were, or physical special split was.>No, you call it suck because you just didn't like itESL>I am assuming you were the same anon in the past who said you don't care about stories in games and is just here for compfaggingESL dramafag?>Unless you can actually explain what you mean by that I'm not going to take you seriously regarding this story argumentSimple. They waste your time with cutscenes for characters I don't care about. I liked characters in mystery dungeon, all the characters in unova suck.>The last bit about "unova doesn't depict America at its full potential" isn't more of critique but more about expecting something moreIt is. America has more biomes than Japan but they only depict the tourist view. Lick my sack you faggot. They phoned in unova.>Even Japan got 3 regions4. You forget Johto. But it's the difference in quality. 1-4 play like an adventure and 5 onward plays like a curated tourist experience that they add random shit to which makes sense since that is the experience they got in other countries. 5 onward simply don't feel cohesive nor interesting in region design like the prior games did.
>>740643619>The easiest example: the weather wars were caused by hidden abilities that certain shitmons got from this generation.NTA but that's not because they're "hidden abilities". They're just abilities. Abilities were already in the game since gen3, all gen5 did was add a potential third ability (and only for some mons), it's not a systems overhaul that completely changed the game.
>>740633472It started the whole Shiny Locking shit.
>>740643356They made significantly sale boost with Gen 6 since it was a new entry to 3D on mainline series and doubling down with Kanto everywhere.
Gen 7 and Gen 8 have the absolute worst starters
Incineroar is everything wrong with modern competitive pokemon. I'd rather deal with prankster assist liepard/purloin
>>740644672just punch his really hard
>>740644672its kind of crazy if you think about it how strong it is to have what is effectively free use of the move Growl for switching in.
>>740643894>Story sucks because it sucks>I liked characters in mystery dungeon, all the characters in unova suckSounds more ESL-ish to me>ESL dramafag?If you weren't that person sure go ahead, I'll admit I was wrong>>740644143They are considered "hidden" because you don't get access to those abilities in normal playthrough, without Dream World. Also those hidden abilities definitely changed the metagame as a whole
>>740644536>They made significantly sale boost with Gen 6No they fucking didn't.BW sold about 15.7 million copiesXY sold about 16.3 million copiesThat's barely half a million more, <4% difference in total salesIt did not sell significantly more and Kanto pandering did not lead to success or change the trajectory the games had been on since 2000. Gen 7 is directly comparable to Gen 5, two pairs of two games, and their sales numbers are almost identical.Look with your fucking eyes >>740642291 and use your brain, stop repeating the stupid shit that manchildren on /vp/ are telling you
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>>740644672Prankster encore is the real demon, I've never seen anyone run assist.I'd also take incineroar over fucking Farigiraf, that stupid fucking thing has absolutely no counterplay and I hate it
>>740644895It sucks because I didn't care about any character or what any of the characters were trying to do. It was worse because they waste so much time with it and I also hated everything around it like the gameplay regressing and poke choice.I never even beat the games because I was fatigued with everything looking the same too.>Also those hidden abilities definitely changed the metagame as a wholeYeah which is a fine point. But abilities aren't new. They, at best, expanded something, they didn't add anything new. Physical special split was something EVERY poke got access to in all battles. Abilities were something EVERY poke got access to in all battles. Held items were something EVERY poke got access to in all battles. What did they add in Gen 5 onward that EVERY poke got access to in all battles that wasn't a temporary gimmick for that gen only like Z moves or dynamaxxing? Nothing.
>>740645221Gen 2 only added Steel and Dark types, split the special stat, DVs.Most people didn't really care about Gen 3 abilities when they first played it. Natures, IVs and EVs only mattered much in competitive. >They, at best, expanded something, they didn't add anything newSome hidden abilities actually are absolutely new and exclusive to being "hidden" abilities of certain mons. -Moody-Impostor-Regenerator-Multiscale-Harvest-Zen Mode-ContraryYou should've been there when people were excited about this feature when it first was leaked.Lastly I think what you mean is actually "why didn't Gen 5 add a new combat gimmick" which can also be applied to the earlier generations. It's an unfair criticism.
>>740635067Typhlosion is like a sexo bodypillow.
>>740644720It also has a really good type and great movepool. It has parting shot and uturn.
>>740633472Competitively it was kino and probably the peak of pokemon but it really left a sour taste in my when it first came out, and still does to this day. Ugly shitmons all around, no good starter, uninspired burger maps and so on. Excadrill, the red crocodile, electric spider, chandelure, Volcarona and Hydreigon carried this gen. I don't know their english names (I am fr*nch)
>>740645915>Gen 2 only added Steel and Dark types, split the special stat, DVs.They also added held items among other things.>Most people didn't really care about Gen 3 abilities when they first played itIt's not about "caring". It's about meaningfully expanding gameplay instead of keeping it stagnant. Abilities were also much more impactful than natures, IVs, and EVs since in most cases they were not just more stats.>Some hidden abilities actually are absolutely new and exclusive to being "hidden" abilities of certain mons.>of certain monsYeah, exactly. Not all got it. It is no different than say mega evolutions. Just less flashy. If they just flat out gave all pokes 3 abilities it still would simply be an expansion on abilities and not anything new
>>740633472That tepig looks faithful
