>>740634108
>what adopted cunny does to a broken man

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>>740634108
Why did she hit the<

midwit writing.
>hur dur da science people with zero (0) infrastructure to speak of can totally just scoop this girl's brains out and make a magic potion to cure zombie fungus aids for everyone everywhere

>>740634623
this is on the same level of nitpicking as
>hur dur the ant brain fungus magically evolved to affect people even doe its literally heckin impossible

>>740635178
NEXT GUY

>>740635178
why is it impossible though?

Because Neil wanted to double down on the whole "Joel was selfish, he fucked over the entire world just to keep his replacement daughter alive" narrative as strong as possible, when in actuality the Firefles were retards and making a cure all vaccine from just one single sample was a retarded premise.

>>740634108
Joel's not exactly a brain surgeon

>>740634108
its just a simple calculation anon
if there is even 000.1% chance then you have to take it since we are talking about the survival of the human species itself.

The 2nd game and the show retroactively goes so far out of its way to have every character go:
>"N-NO...REALLY...IT TOTALLY WOULD'VE WORKED 100% WITHOUT ISSUE"
>Joel L I T E R A L L Y doomed humanity duuude

They ruin the entire allure of the idea that Joel might have made the "wrong" decision by having every character in the universe, including himself, somehow now know that it would have 100% worked without issue or contention from the settlements they'd try to make inject a cure

The first game had a great father daughter ending. Then the DLC and 2nd game made you wish Joel just let the Fireflies kill her.

Druckmann needs to get raped by a pack of niggers.

>>740634108
They said they probably could and its not like he knows any better.
Also sorry they didn't make 3 hours of the game just detailing the research and infrastructure of the firedlies and technical details of the surgery they were gonna do so autists couldn't nit pick major plot points that exist just for the story to make a point anyways.

>>740635403
cuckmann cant write

>>740635274
It affects invertebrates, not vertebrates.
The building blocks are completely different. Even the inner workings are completely different.
Rabies evolving into a zombie virus? Unlikely but possible
Zombie ant shooms controlling complex vertebrates? Lol lmao
It's just how things work, it's like trying to give nigger aids to fucking crabs. It just won't do anything.

>>740635403
>(((Druckmann)))
His ass needs to be shoah'd until he dies. This is unrelated to his games tho.

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>>740635337
>>740635392
>>740635403
Druckmann said he would do the same thing Joel did, though

>>740635593
Wait zombies aren't realistic!!?!?!??!??!

>>740635392
I'm pretty sure the first game implies that too. The whole point of his character is that his grief of being unable to save his daughter so when was able to save his adopted daughter he took it.

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A lot of people say Druckmann didnt write the first game
Although he has sketches from 2003 that seem to depict rudimentary versions of Joel and Sarah

>>740635378
Everyone including ellie and all humans are basically dead man walking/ dead as default in the last of us scenario.
So either it works and ellie is dead but you can save humanity or it doesnt work and ellie is dead and everyone is dead or you dont even try and everyone is dead.
The only scenario in which humanity at least has some chance to not die die is if you try but any other scenario (not trying or trying and it doesnt work) means dead for everyone.

You gotta play the cards you are dealt.. and joel in the end couldnt cause he is a selfish retard.

>>740635664
Druckmann made her a lesbian. Every man that played the game wished her dead after that. There was nothing about her being a dyke in the first game. It came with the DLC.

>>740635392
>They ruin the entire allure of the idea that Joel might have made the "wrong" decision
lolwut? Thats the whole point anon. Putting the feasibility of a cure in doubt makes Joel completely in the right, which makes his “decision” uninteresting.
It also makes Joel look evil if he was factoring in the Fireflies ability to make a cure into his decision to save his daughters life. He wasn’t. He says straight up in the first game that they should kill someone else to make the cure.

>>740635850
The DLC was written first, anon. That’s why Riley is mentioned by name at the end of the first game. Ellie was always a lesbian. Sorry.

>>740634108
This game is impossible to discuss here. Anons straight up lied and said there were tapes confirming the Fireflies found other immune people.

>>740635403
>The first game had a great father daughter ending
So you saw that scene where joel lied to her face acting like he didn't kill a hospital full of people and ruin any chance they may have had at finding a cure from her while she's obviously uneasy and not quick to believe him and thought
>oh what a cute lil' father-daughter moment
?
what the fuck is it about this game that inspires people to so purposefully miss the point or just make shit up out of whole cloth for the sake of pissing on it?
>duhh i can't handle anything bad happening in stories please make the tragic bits go away and make sure the characters always make clear-cut, black and white decisions where they do the right thing and everyone lives happily ever after

>>740635976
>he only played the remake
Go gaslight on reddit, nonbreeder.

>>740636079
Don't have kids. Not that we expected you to anyway.

>>740636034
Its not like it matters one way or the other.
It literally doesnt matter if there is even the smallest singular chance of saving humanity from certain doom you are literally obligated by the survival of the human race to try.

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>>740635403
It's simple. Last of Us 1 was developed before Anita Sarkeesian's videos. However the DLC and Last of US 2 were made after her videos. Druckmann has said how much Anita's videos inspired him, so her videos are the reason why Ellie sucked so much after the first game.

>>740636094
Why are you lying?

https://youtu.be/coTGONUS6XY

>>740636079
>what the fuck is it about this game that inspires people to so purposefully miss the point or just make shit up out of whole cloth for the sake of pissing on it

Its really strange how committed v is to misinterpreting the story of both games, or hanging everything on a single plot point that they think is wrong

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>>740635717
The entire concept of the cure being as easily created as it is is so antithetical to the universe the game establishes itself to be. My point is all the supplementary characters in 2 are all written to believe there was a 100% chance of creating a cure, without question, when it was more likely a fucking .1% chance if they got lucky.
Not a single character every genuinely questions this and treats it as thought Joel 100% prevented a cure from happening. Its entirely antithetical to the "grounded" nature the game prides itself on.

>>740636181
>It literally doesnt matter if there is even the smallest singular chance of saving humanity from certain doom you are literally obligated by the survival of the human race to try.
Yes, and you're obligated to try things in increasing order of severity and irreversibility. You don't jump straight to dissecting the golden goose. They should have seen if her immunity bred true first.

>>740636365
ok you dont try and now all of humanity is doomed congrats

if there is chance you gotta try anon because the default state is that you have already lost

>>740636365
>Its entirely antithetical to the "grounded" nature the game prides itself on.
>fungus that keeps people alive indefinitely and turns them into zombies
>spores infect you but you can wear clothes covered in them no problem
>Joel strangles highly infectious zombies and punches them in the face with his bare hands
>lone survivalist is a fag
>lone immune girl is a dyke
Very grounded lmao

>>740634108
this just made me ask the question why didnt FEDRA try to look for the cure instead they certainly got the manpower and infrastructure especially compared to the fireflies

>>740635664
Yeah he said he would do the same as Joel but he still insists that it was an evil thing to do, because he's infatuated with the idea of moral ambiguity as if acknowledging that life is grey is some galaxy brain intellectual take. When in reality, as you get older, and as you continue to witness the developing state of the world, seeing life in black and white / good vs evil ceases to become the take of an idiot but that of someone who sees the truth. It's especially ironic for a game like TLOU2 which pretty much operates as an Israel/Palestine allegory - to claim that conflict is some "oh well both sides are just as bad, le cycle of violence" state of affairs is hilarious because of the disproportionality of violence between sides. It's like saying the Iraq War was morally complex.

>>740636181
>It literally doesnt matter if there is even the smallest singular chance of saving humanity from certain doom you are literally obligated by the survival of the human race to try.
See, you'll say this and then the fanbase gets upset if you imply that she should get pregnant.

Which, they then ended up making the exact reason why she was immune in the HBO show

>>740634108
>Why didn't [character] do [really smart thing] instead of doing [immediate decision in the moment]? Are they dumb?
Why do people assume everyone in these stories have all the information on hand at any given time?
As we the audience, hindsight is 20/20 since we can make informed decisions after several moments of discussion and rational thinking.
But characters like Joel are stressed out, emotionally compromised and only have several minutes to make a decision.
Not everyone has to be an omnipotent being with a perfect moral compass.

>vaccine
>for fungi
this game is fucking retarded

>>740636650
Neil has never said Joel’s decision sad evil.
>It's especially ironic for a game like TLOU2 which pretty much operates as an Israel/Palestine allegory
I find it highly unlikely that an Israeli Jew would frame the IDF as bad in the way he portrays the WLF.
Zionists don’t believe “both sides are just as bad”

>>740636675
i am not the fanbase and yeah in the real world her eggs would be harvested and inseminated constantly just for the chance or birthing some child who also has immunity

>>740636871
*was evil

>>740636306
That's the remaster, nigger.

>>740634623
That was the worse part, like something straight outta a fantasy setting

>>740635741
He drew this when he was 25.

>>740637048
he draws better than me

>>740636879
she would never be allowed to even leave a room out of fear something happens to her, she would be under 24/7 surveilance, fucking and birthing and getting only the best healtiest food they can find etc everything to prolonge her life for as long as possible to brith as many children as possible..

Yeah i can see why they didnt make last of us realistic lol

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>>740636079
>kill
lol he merely crushed some spider in his path

>>740636520
>ok you dont try and now all of humanity is doomed congrats
humanity IS already doomed, that is the fucking POINT. The entire game does a "humans are the real monsters" bit. Infected are barely treated as an actual issue in 2 compared to factions

You would in no way, shape, or form just start approaching random raiders, settlements, PMCs, QZs, cannibals, slavers, pedophiles, etc and convince them to take a cure

>>740637313
neither here nor there why would try and safe people that dont want to take the cure?
(especially rapists cannibals and raiders)
there would be people taking the cure and there would be people not taking it, but again there would be people taking it and thats more than before. again simple calculation that you dont seem to grasp. You are now better off than before the cure so what is confusing you?

>>740634108
You're a nigger and every reply above mine is a jeetpost, but if you really want to know: It's because the cure being real or not doesn't actually matter, it was only used to give Joel motivation to take the job and see it through to the end. The actual plot is about Joel reliving parenthood through a surrogate daughter-figure, before finally coming to terms with Sarah's death by leaving Ellie behind and moving on in life. Joel of course was unable to let go of his own guilt and selfish desires.
Basically Neil Druckmann is a fucking hack that wanted to tell a story but he put everything into a world and setting that was completely unnecessary and doesn't actually facilitate the plot all that much, which shows given how even less important the zombie shit is in the second game. Everybody that keeps trying to think about it logically don't realize the writer doesn't give a shit about it.

>>740637072
Its not bad but not great. The proportions are a little off and they have no necks.

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>>740634108

cute

You’re looking at the problem of the cure all wrong. Even if they DID 100% make a cure, they were never dispersing it to the public. It’s laid out in plain terms that the Fireflies are being battered by the government and need a one-up on them. The cure was a war move, to give the Fireflies and edge over the government, they were never giving it to the people of America.

Joel didn’t give a shit either way, that’s the point, even if they were being altruistic and Ellie WANTED to do it he was still going to kill them and he was justified imo.

>>740634623
it's mostly just terrible from any kind of medical perspective, some tests take a while and these guys aren't even doing the proper procedure for brain stuff

>>740636306
>PS4 remaster
You lost.

>>740636947
>>740639623
Remaster =/= Remake

>>740640361
The point is that retcons were made. I beat the first iteration of the game in the span of hours divided by 2 days, immediately when the game came out. There was no mention of her being a lesbian then.

>Unrealistic situation where all sides are lying and the person in the middle can't read between the lines in the situation or even imagine a situation where a cure may require their death
The reason this doesn't make sense is because it doesn't make sense. None of it makes sense. In any shape or form. You can't argue over imaginary things that are illogical.

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>>740635403
during a sweltering summer, no less

>>740636079
>>740636337
We don't miss the point, you are just retarded and cannot figure out how badly cuckman mangled his attempts to tell a specific story.
The medical procedure to get samples of the fungus being lethal is what the divide hinges on, and it makes NO fucking sense that the doctor would be incapable of knowing about how to do brain biopsies that have been a thing since the 1800's, and got fairly precise back in the 1950's before they had imaging technology to guide them, which was developed in the 1980's.

The entire point of the doctors that got killed being bad is that the leader is the LAST fully trained doctor from before the fungus plague.
There is no reason for him to not have known about how to do a brain biopsy from physical book documentation, EVEN if the hospital's more delicate machines had broken (which is never covered anyways)
The man was supposed to be the ONE guy competent enough to make a cure, and he couldn't figure out an ANCIENT procedure that is over a century old?

We see so much incompetence and malice on the fireflies leading up to this point, and now we are supposed to trust a team of assholes who act like medical incompetents?
THAT is where cuckman fucked up.
One major detail in the plot that ruins the entire thing for the story HE wanted to tell.

How come joel never got infected? He was pretty close to the fuckers.

>>740642947
Yeah man like, the Lord of the rings sucked because that should have just flown the eagles

>>740643070
No, that was handled properly already.
The eagles cannot fly the ring because they are very powerful and the ring tempts you stronger and over a longer distance the more powerful you are.

That is why Gandalf is scared shitless of touching the One Ring with his bare hands.

If the eagles got near the One Ring, now that it is active and looking to jump from Frodo to people like Boromir and Gandalf it would LOVE to tempt a powerful being like the eagles.

>>740643070
There weren't any eagles in lord of the flies.

>>740635392
It bugs me that his original daughter was killed for the greater good too by USG and it ended up doing nothing. How many daughters is he supposed to let get fragged

>>740636817
You do realize that the immune system can recognise and attack fungi right? That's like being outraged about a rabies vaccine existing.

>>740642947
Yea but maybe they could have done it. Joel killed them all so well never know, they couldn't even try.

>>740643468
The intent of Cuckman was that Joel was supposed to be unjustified and had no reason to doubt they could make a cure.

The execution of the game made it very DOUBTFUL that they could make a cure, making it a morally grey zone instead, and Joel far more justified in his actions.

>>740643594
I don't think that was the original intent, the fact that it's bookended with the opening scene where authority figures senselessly killed his real daughter and it ended up being for nothing means it being for nothing again was supposed to be on the table

>>740643594
A low chance is still a chance. Now they dont even have that.
Also, the game definitely wants the player to go along with the idea that they might be able to do something with ellie, they never ever suggest that the fireflies wont be able to do it. That would defeat the point. You're intentionally missing the intended point of theat part of the story in favor of pointing out plot holes that the story knows are unimportant enough to intentionally gloss over.

sex with drugged ellie

>>740643803
I like that interpretation actually. A part of him is afraid it wont work because of his personal trauma of him already losing sarah for nothing, and he doesn't wanna risk losing ellie for nothing.
Still, his selfish reason and past weighing out the bigger picture, is still the crux of it, but that extra layer is neat.

>>740643817
You.... you don't fucking get it.
You are rambling about what I already explained.
The morally gray zone.

>>740643803
Cuckman makes it clear that he wanted Joel to be an evil man. The Last of Us is meant to be a story where you play an evil guy.

But then the retard fucked the story and made it very unclear if Joel was really a villain.

Do you just not GET that people can care about different things and wouldn't like to murder a child in a retarded way for a miniscule chance at saving the world from violent incompetents that clearly have no intention of sharing it????
Because THAT is how the game portrays things.

>>740644027
What bigger picture is there when the people preaching the bigger picture are portrayed as lying, cruel, incompetents?

>>740644045
Are you the same butt blasted guy who thinks the fireflies were gonna use the cure as leverage or something in a war or whatever?
Also im not gonna take you that seriously if you keep saying "cuckman" like its super funny or clever

>>740644173
No, I am one of many people that have issues with your obtuse idiocy.
You going to actually argue something, or just seethe because you don't like Cuckman being called Cuckman?

>>740644124
A potential cure for a planet destroying virus in the hands of anyone is better than not at all.

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>>740634108
>You now remember that boomers and Gen Xers basically relived the exact culture shock that gamers had with the Last of Us show by stubbornly refusing to change the plot the second game for the second season.

>>740644227
Its not a virus?
And if the last trained doctor is an incompetent that cannot figure out well established medical procedures, the potential cure WASNT lost.
It becomes something ANY asshole who can read, can potentially figure out from access to medical books.

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These threads are always such a shit fest. I dont know why I keeping looking at them

>>740635392
>yeah, we murked like several children and we are no closer to finding a vaxx, BUT THIS TIME 100% GONNA WORK GNG TRUST
faggyflies we're a joke, Joel was 100% justified and no amount of retconing by Neil "I bought a PS5 for my wife's boyfriend" Cuckman will change this.

>>740644045
>The Last of Us is meant to be a story where you play an evil guy
>then the retard fucked the story and made it very unclear if Joel was really a villain
Have you ever considered that they may have given Joel more than one character trait on purpose? That maybe there was a bit of a theme about people who have to do horrible shit to survive still being human at the end of the day? If he set out to portray him as evil then I'm not sure what he was thinking by practically deifying the guy in the second game and making both main characters entirely motivated by how much they miss him and/or feel guilty over his death.

>>740644280
>ANY asshole who can read, can potentially figure out from access to medical books.
Ok. Then they can make a cure in Jackson using their local libary.

>>740636650
>Israel/Palestine allegory
I despise TLOU2 as much as anybody else with a working brain, but this is just buttfuckingly retarded.

>>740644353
Well when people decide to cry about Druckman being called Cuckman instead of trying to explore how minor details can significantly alter people's perception of a story, its gonna be a shitfest no matter what.

God forbid anyone tries to understand other people's perspectives.
>>740644418
like this shit.
the game was full of stuff that made Joel seem far more justified in not trusting them

>>740644440
I am going to ignore your entire rant.
You are an illiterate fucking retard.
There is nothing wrong with Joel.
NOBODY said there was anything wrong with Joel.
Its how the doctors and the group they are with are portrayed.

>>740644474
Yes. Potentially YES. It would be very difficult and take a lot of time and prep, but they unironically could.
It could be as simple as taking a sample of the adapted fungus and the antibodies of ellie and putting them in someone else.
That being the solution would GUARANTEE that the firefly doctors could make a cure.

But that isn't that HARD to do, besides the brain part to get the fungus in her brain.

>>740644418
joel made the wrong decision already in the first game that wasnt a retcon. The entire ending of the first game lets you know that by literally framing it that way with joel lying to ellie lthe music making the point as well.

at the very least it wanted you to doubt if what joel did out of selfish personal feels was correct or not.

your media literacy is in the dumbster

>>740636947
>>740639623
>>740641183
You definitely didn't pay the original if you didn't know Riley was mentioned>>740636094 and thought it was a retcon they put in the remaster

https://youtu.be/eOtcWkbn6qU?si=OtCDEcaUbQ0DaRal&t=11691

You got caught in a lie. It happens.

>>740644584
>illiterate tries to jump into things without reading

>>740644561
Ayyy we got a docta ova heere!

>>740644617
make a point moron

>>740644584
>IESLB

>>740644698
Many were made, you chose not to read them and instead jumped in to be retarded

>>740634108
Because the writers established so

>>740636094
WTF are you talking about retard? Riley was brought up in the original game.

>>740634108
Joel didn't care if they could or not
at the start, it was just a job
later, he only brought Ellie there because that's where she wanted to go
it was only after finding out that they were going to murder Ellie that he even really considers what was happening, and only so far as how it affects Ellie

>point of game
>Would you sacrifice your child for the greater good?
>Obvious answer is yes, but player character says no.
>autists on v argue for years over technicalities

i can't take these threads seriously when it's just
>"the vaccine wouldn't have worked even though the writers say it would have!! why? uhh...b-because I said so!"
if you think it's retarded then that's fine, but trying to argue from the angle that the vaccine wouldn't have worked is even more retarded, just accept that you're not the writer and call it shit writing or get over it buddy

>>740644418
It wasn't a retcon and it was clear the whole point of the ending of the first game was to have people debate whether or not what Joel did was right. If it was clear that Joel did the right thing it was probably just a mistake on the writers part. A sequel still was not necessary though

>>740644259
it was fucking hilarious
they were so sure that it was just us uncouth gamers with our lack of "media literacy" who couldn't understand Cuckmann's genius

>>740644868
This

>>740644259
No they botched the TV version of part 2. Everything is out of order and all fucked up. Even the character of ellie is different.

>>740644868
/thread

>>740644868
>>740644914
nobody is saying that though
the problem is that, per the games, the vaccine doesn't seem to NEED those specific doctors, it didn't NEED them to kill Ellie, and there certainly wasn't any reason for them to be such jackasses about it.
If it was gonna work guaranteed.

>>740635664
Cuckmann only said that long after everyone decided he was a fucking retard
an effort to downplay his miscalculation

>>740644259
>>740644896
The show was so insecure and lacking in confidence that it doesn't even work on people who might have otherwise engaged with it

>>740644561
>It could be as simple as taking a sample of the adapted fungus and the antibodies of ellie and putting them in someone else.
You keep trying to use real world logic to find a reason to invalidate a fictional story's premise instead of actually arguing about anything in the story itself. Sure, maybe it COULD be that simple, but the writers did not write it to be so because it wouldn't be much of a story then, now would it? It's the same level of pedantry as saying a superman story sucks and makes no sense because actually people can't fly and shoot lazorz from their eyes. The fictional premise of "fucked up zombie fungus we can't cure easily" is central to the whole story and it kind of comes collapsing down on itself if you write in a way for them to cure it easily.

>>740644964
how do you botch something that's already botched?

>>740645031
Tlou2 portrays Joel as a Messiah who was too good for this sinful earth because he remembered that life without love isn't worth living.

You are just a man baby who couldn't emotionally navigate the murder of your self-insert character

>>740645109
You can always make it worse. I love part 2 and really dont like what they did with the show version.

>>740645021
Like the anon said, it's just shit writing and people analyzing it like this kinda just destroys the narrative/set up that the writers were trying to create

>>740645151
>I love part 2
weak bait

>>740645067
Congrats you have failed at media literacy.
You don't get to handwave whatever you want when it means contradicting what is already established.
The reason it can't be cured easily is because its a fungus that spread too far too fast and they can't make chemicals to blast it anymore.
The reason it can be cured NOW is because there is a human that managed to form a symbiotic relationship with the fungus.
The doctors only say she needs to die because they need to get certain samples.
But none of those samples require you to kill her.
Meanwhile the entire organization of the doctors is shown to be kill-crazy retards looking to play warlords.

>>740645158
Its mostly pretty good writing, but a few bad spots ruined the entire thing because Cuckman ruined it afterwards.
He accidently made something BETTER than what he originally intended, but didn't like it.

>>740636181
worse yet she is playing gay while billinons are dying

>>740644852
This, so much this

>>740634108
>ellie thread

>>740645280
>He accidently made something BETTER than what he originally intended
How so? The original intention of there being a moral dilemma of whether to prioritize your own child or sacrifice her for the greater good seems far more interesting than just saving your daughter from some delusional crazy doctors.

>>740644852
>would you let delusional retards kill your child for a pipe dream with no chance of success?
I'll pass on that

>>740645381
Too bad it's the worst kind of Ellie threads

>>740645430
Because he accidently made the "greater good" argument seem shitty and uncertain.
THAT was what made it work.
It gave justification to saving ellie.
It made Joel a villain of CIRCUMSTANCE who did things "mostly right" but made a questionable choice.

Erasing all of that and crying because fans had a divide and questioned which was better is STUPID.
Cuckman couldn't handle people thinking Joel could be considered justified.
He couldn't handle having an ACTUAL conflict instead of a simple
>DIS SIDE GUD, DAT SIDE BAD
story, because it was slightly different from the story he WANTED people to get from the game.

>>740645450
>>would you let delusional retards kill your child for a pipe dream with no chance of success?
>delusional
Look who's talking

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>>740634108
I would have just fucked her and had a child with her to see if she produced kids who were immune. Giving birth might be a hard thing to do during the apocalypse, but it isn't brain surgery-level hard. God, I'm such a genius.

I never understood why they didn't just turn Ellie into breeding stock. Sure it's dark but it's at least it's realistic. Slowly beat back the enemy, reclaim territory, and in the background work on the kids born via Ellie.

>>740645280
>The doctors only say she needs to die because they need to get certain samples.
>But none of those samples require you to kill her.
That's YOU saying that. The writers are saying that Ellie needs to die for them to get whatever samples they need, and those will give them some real shot at a cure, because otherwise the whole fucking dramatic punch of the ending disappears and it's just Joel saving Ellie from another band of crazed raiders. It's a bad look to talk about media literacy when your entire point is to nitpick around for a reason they could have used to make the story not happen.

>>740645580
Joel was justified anyway since his daughter figure was going to be killed. That was justification enough that many people already sympathised with Joel's decision even though people knew what he did was morally questionable. Making it so that fireflies were gonna fail making a cure pretty much just deletes the whole dilemma since it completely justifies Joel's actions without any consequence.

>>740645824
The writers are handwaving shit aside and SIGNIFICANTLY re-writing how medicine works with zero explanation or elaboration.
You can't just do that and expect people to mindlessly nod along.
>It's a bad look to talk about media literacy when your entire point is to nitpick around for a reason they could have used to make the story not happen.
more media illiteracy.
You cannot make a thought provoking story if it requires you to shut up and stop thinking because it missed something critical.

>>740645895
Its not about whether he was or wasnt.
It was about the BALANCE of justification.

>>740645895
the dilemma is whether to lie to Ellie about it
there is zero dilemma with saving her because the Fireflies have no chance of achieving their nonsense

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>>740645805
Probably because the kind of immunity she has - where you are infected but don’t present symptoms - is generally not heritable.
What doesn’t make sense is why Ellie doesn’t pass the infection through saliva or other bodily fluids. She’s infected.
But then against, Joel also doesn’t get infected from going hands on with zombies, and the spores would infect everyone whenever they weren’t wearing a gas mask. Most of the game doesn’t make sense.

>>740646025
So I'm assuming in this interpretation it's still left ambiguous as to if the fireflies could actually make a cure and not an outright no? In that case yeah I think it actually works.

>>740635337
>when in actuality the Firefles were retards and making a cure all vaccine from just one single sample was a retarded premise.

That's a retarded cop-out though, the whole moral dilemma is whether the player will sacrifice one they care about for the sake of the many. There's no moral dilemma if it's a 99% chance of just being a pointless death.

I get that the fireflies are actually retarded, but this should be fixed by making their plan not-retarded, deflating the entire emotional climax of the game is not good actually.

>>740645581
Considering they already butchered many kids before and they had nothing to show for it I'd say anon was spot on.

>>740646025
>You can't just do that and expect people to mindlessly nod along.
Yes you absolutely can. Shows do it all the time with absolutely everything. Cop shows, historical shows, anything with hacking or computers, and belive it or not, shows involving doctors and hospitals. They'll simplify something or make something up just because it makes a good story because THATS THE POINT. A good story. You are nitpicking it saying, uhh actually thats not how it really works, as if it matters at all to the point of the story.
Its the same autistic nitpicking that's been going on for decades.

>>740646025
No fucking shit retard. That's precisely why people think the writing in the game is trash tier. It doesn't change the point that you can engage with the writer's intent without getting bogged down in their stupid logistical decisions

>>740646243
You mean that lie Joel told ellie? Or something else?

>>740646335
>he didn't play before the retcons

>>740646082
>the Fireflies have no chance of achieving their nonsense
Yeah but thats boring

>>740646175
>why Ellie doesn’t pass the infection through saliva or other bodily fluids. She’s infected.
its a fungus. not a virus. not a bacteria.
its a physical growth.
this was something that made sense with the writing.

>>740646207
exactly. it being ambiguous and uncertain makes it something to argue over and consider the moral implications.

>Yes you absolutely can. Shows do it all the time with absolutely everything. Cop shows, historical shows, anything with hacking or computers, and belive it or not, shows involving doctors and hospitals.
You have just described mindless slop made to entertain without being deep.
Things that don't try to give any sort of divide, nothing for people to argue over.
Only drama, comedy, and clear "good side bad side" conflicts.
Congratulations
You proved my point.

>>740646330
Not sure where you are going with this.
We gamers DID ignore the writers bullshit and engaged with it as it was presented.
Other people insist on ignoring the game to focus on what the writers tried to retcon into being and argue for that.
I am trying to get them to see that what the writers WANTED is not the story the game TOLD.

>>740634108
TLoU sucks my balls.

>>740646025
>The writers are handwaving shit aside and SIGNIFICANTLY re-writing how medicine works with zero explanation or elaboration.
>You can't just do that and expect people to mindlessly nod along.
yes you can my nigger, you were nodding along just fine with a fungal infection that produces vicious ambulatory corpses, but the idea that it might not be as easily cured as a real life fungal infection is a bridge too far? The whole conceit of the story requires them to re-write how medicine works to make the zombies go. All you're saying is
>nuh-uh, zombies wouldn't work like that in real life
which is to say, no fucking shit retard, they don't work at all in real life because they're fictional

>>740642947
I think the other half of it is just how fucked the Fireflies have proven themself. Even assuming the medical shit was a sure bet because "reasons" we have a group that has regularlly balked from actually paying Joel for his services to that point that when he delievers their magic cure girl they knock him out, steal his shit, and don't fucking pay him.
How could you even begin to trust this group with the cure, let alone to have the infasteucture and resources to mass produce and distribute it.

>>740646464
The game very heavily insists on feasibility of cure creation, retard. There's just no foot work done to make it believable. This is the whole reason you are even able to argue your stupid ass position that makes zero sense to anyone with even a modicum of media literacy

>>740646551
why are you crying about an argument nobody in this thread made?
>yes you can my nigger, you were nodding along just fine with a fungal infection that produces vicious ambulatory corpses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis
the fungus EXISTS in real life already.
>nuh-uh, zombies wouldn't work like that in real life
nobody is saying any of that.
if you are just going to make up things to argue against then go see a doctor.

>>740646642
Thank you for agreeing with my point
That is the entire problem.
That is why the writers tried to tell ONE story but the game told A DIFFERENT ONE
Good job.
Glad we can agree.
You finally achieved media literacy :)

>>740634108
the fireflies leader was a nappy haired brown women and such people are not to be trusted

>>740634108
Do goyim really have such heated debates over a fucking 13 year old movie game

>>740646215
it's not a cop-out, it's a failure of the writers to actually write a solid story
it doesn't matter what they intended the situation to be, only what it is
and what is is a group of people with dubious qualifications in a twenty years on dilapidated hospital with little equipment, no logistics, and a single subject's worth of material to not fuck up
and we're supposed to take that seriously despite even a passing understanding of medical research to understand that it's incredibly complicated and takes decades with nigh limitless material to work with
it's absurd

>>740645572
i need the best kind of ellie thread

>>740646872
>dubious qualifications
to be fair here, the one guy in charge of the doctors WAS supposed to have the ONLY set of qualifications left, but the writing made even that questionable.

>>740646642
>There's just no foot work done to make it believable.
That anon was saying that multiple times over.

>>740646703
The game didn't tell any other story, retard. It's barely a story to begin with. The logical footwork is absent but the narrative elements which were inserted in the game literally almost outright state that the sacrifice of Ellie is going to bring the cure about which you chose to ignore due to your immense retardation. The lack of logical explanation doesn't equal = impossibility. Joel doesn't doubt that the cure will be created. Ellie doesn't. Not a single person among fireflies does. There are several records indicating that the cure is possible to make. The game literally goes out of its way to make it as certain as it can that it is going to happen. The thing that makes it unbelievable isn't the game but your outside of the game existing logic you dumb motherfucker

>>740647014
You have become enraged and are resorting to name calling because you are incorrect.
Writing fanfiction about Joel being certain the cure was gonna be made only hurts your case further.

Did you bother to properly read anything posted or did you just get mad and stop reading?

>>740634108
Last of us story seems retarded

Joel is killing people every where all the time suddenly he doesnt want ellie to die. I a betting theres children like Elie out there fighting and bet joel had encountered them and killed them yet here he is upset ellie will be used for s cure.


This makes me think of jesus and isaac. Issac had to sacrifice his son as a test from god. God gave up jesus to save humanity. But the exact opposite happens.


In last of us 2 the ending ellie kills all those people and in the end she let's the group leader live. This is so dumb all those people that died due to the trans womans actions all of it is forgiven. What's the chance the trans guy will start a new group and start to kill people again.


Both ending is kinda shit and dumb. First one is selfish and doesnt talk about how self sacrifice for the good of humanity is a good thing nope it's about being selfish. Second one tried to be about forgiveness and shit bit it just falls flat and just gives of a vibe like they are trying to be riotous but gives off a ego centric ending like look how better we are then you we forgive.

>>740646996
The retard was saying that the absence of the footwork makes the in narrative implications irrelevant which is complete and utter retardation. The game insists on high possibility of the cure. His in real life logic tells him it is not. So he fails to grasp that there's no accidental genius here that is somehow battled by the creator. It's just his own inability to separate his own logic from in game logic that lead to his retarded interpretation. And the interpretation is retarded because this moron thinks that the opposite of what the game claims is the case and that the game thematically benefits from that which double retarded

Why don't they just take samples off Elie like blood liver and other organs abs fund a cure? She didnt have to die. The writing is dumb. Atleast mgs plot lies are entertaining.

>>740634108
for the same reason people trust a man in a white labcoat with shit they have no clue about, his own ignorance of the subject and his desperation to save his loved ones fueled his delusions that a ragtag band of terrorists could concoct a cure by murdering a child

Genuinely what the fuck is there to even cure, you're already a mushroom head

>>740647201
>saying that the absence of the footwork makes the in narrative implications irrelevant
ok so it WAS illiteracy.
I did not say that.
I said that the narrative implications were ALTERED from what the writers intended by the lack of groundwork.
Why are you so angry and hateful about your lack of media literacy and regular literacy?
Just calm down, stop throwing a tantrum, and actually read what I wrote.

>>740647262
pretty sure they were making a vaccine to make others not sprout mushrooms when scratched

>>740647220
Which is deeply ironic considering there are notes lying around saying that the Fireflies have found multiple people like Ellie and have tried the same operation on them as they were going to do with her but they all failed

>>740647274
They were not altered you dumb motherfucker. The lack of groundwork is just you regular hack writing which this game is full of. There's barely any groundwork done to properly establish and progress Joel and Ellie's relationship which is the focal point of the entirety of the game. How is it a surprise that the game fails to lay the groundwork for fireflies being capable of creating cure?

>>740647262
its not really a cure they are hoping for, but rather they want ellie's immunity to the fungus.
right now, like >>740647312 said, its really hard to deal with it because the slightest injury from the zombies or anyplace with a buildup of spores.
fix that and a lot more stuff becomes possible.

>>740647328
experience does not imply progress in all cases, i think it is supposed to imply they are "so close to a cure vaccine" but in reality all it does is show that these terrorists have been dissecting kids for nothing for some time now

>>740647402
I am sorry that you are angry, irrational, and hateful over your inability to read.
When you don't lay groundwork for one narrative implication, and lay a LOT of groundwork for OTHER narrative implications that have already been mentioned MANY times.....
The narrative implications ARE altered :)
Calm down, learn a bit more about reading.
It's not your fault you were likely taught to read wrong.

>>740647472
There's no groundwork for other narrative implications imbecile it's literally you being unable to separate your real life logical expectations from the in game justifications

>leftist nonsense believing that all the people with intelligence would want to live in the zombie slums instead of government protection

Genuinely who the fuck gives a goddamn shit about this stupid fucking retarded series
Go fuck yourselves you gay fucking faggots, holy fuck acquire actual fucking taste

>>740647558
Again with the name-calling and illiteracy...
Dude come on, this is sad.
The game lays so much groundwork people keep discussing to make you doubt the fireflies in general.
That is narrative implication, dude.
Being nasty and hateful because it deviates from what you were told to blindly trust is pathetic.

>>740647014
>Joel doesn't doubt that the cure will be created.
he doesn't outright believe it either. he doesn't really have an opinion until he finds out what they're going to do to Ellie
>Ellie doesn't.
Ellie is a 14yo girl with survivor's guilt and barely any formal education. hardly the best judge on what's possible
>Not a single person among fireflies does.
because the alternative is admitting that they've done all this for nothing
>There are several records indicating that the cure is possible to make
with enough time and resources, lots of cures are "possible". but you still need the time and resources
both of which missing here

>>740647627
The game literally does nothing you blind retard. How the fuck can you still insist on this. The discussion is possible because morons of your caliber are just incapable of separating the intentions of the writers and what was actually put in the game with your out of the game knowledge and expectation

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>>740647743
That's not the point the in game universe insists on that being the case it doesn't provide any opposition to this possibility. What does is your real life understanding or expectation of how things work. That's the whole goddamned argument here. Thematically it is better for fireflies actually being capable of creating the cure. If they incapable there's no thematic clash. The story becomes even worse than it actually is which is hard to believe. The game failed to properly establish the possibility so it opted out to just delete any possible opposition and hammer it home by insisting on cure creation by in universe attitudes and comments

>>740647890
Jesus christ you are retarded. Nobody argues about the writing quality. Everybody agrees it's shit. We argue about intent

>>740647769
>The game literally does nothing you blind retard
Thats... not how video games and stories work, dude.
Games DO do things.
The problem here seems to be that you become irrational and enraged at the idea of nuance, and resort to name-calling when you are calmly out-argued.
You proved my point and even agreed with me, and when I called it out the insults started.

I am sorry that you were not taught to read properly, and cannot fathom that a person can tell a story and mean something different from what their words imply.
I have tried to explain these things to you and all I have received in return is petulant belligerance.
Gamers are completely justified in our disagreement with Cuckman for ruining a great story he accidently created.

>>740647928
>The game failed to properly establish the possibility so it opted out to just delete any possible opposition and hammer it home
correct
>by insisting on cure creation by in universe attitudes and comments
wrong. it was purely by Druckman being mad at creating a good story
In universe you had things pulling BOTH ways, but you lack the media literacy to understand this and just seethe and insult people when we try to explain it to you.

>>740647997
to spell it out for you, "the fireflies could plausibly make the cure" is the BMW in this analogy

>>740646215
It works better if it's ambiguous whether they could make the cure
The tapes in TLOU depict the Fireflies as desperate and possibly delusional with no clear indication to anyone that this plan will work. Joel is asked to sacrifice Ellie for the possibility of a cure/vaccine not the certainty of one.

>>740648158
nta but I would argue that it being a 100% thing and not questionable enough to think they might be incompetent psychos is the bmw.

>>740648069
There's no good story there no matter how you look at it. The relationship between ellie and joel is fucking godawful. Ellie suddenly wanting to sacrifice herself makes no goddamn sense. Their journey is arbitrary as fuck in general. All of the encounters are thematically weak and largely irrelevant to the story serving merely as a way to pad out game time. The very fact that you believe the story is good was good or had any potential to be good in the form it was presented already proves that you are just too fucking dumb to engage in this conversation. Also the moment I entered this conversation I was calling you names you dumb fucking faggot

>>740634623
the true midwits are people like you who cant separate fiction from reality and must needlessly nit-pick it

>>740634108
Because like with most drug discovery, its throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. And what sticks is what merits further observation and experimentation.

Now when you somehow have someone immune to something that no one else is, you study the bejesus out of said person.

And yes theres no guarantee, but its a pretty good shot compared to the alternatives.

>>740648158
To spell it out for you. This is completely fucking irrelevant to the conversation at hand you dumb fucking motherfucker. I'm not arguing that the presence of bmw is justified. I'm saying that it was intended by the morons who created the game and you disliking it is irrelevant

>>740635708
As they're often portrayed, no. But you could have a disease that "zombifies" people and alters their thinking. Hell, look at any fent addict doing weird shit on the street.

Imagine a disease that triggers that same part of the brain but makes them slightly more conscience and violent.

>>740648268
And once more you just seethe and rage because you don't want to have any sort of media literacy, regular literacy, or think beyond what Druckman said.
You seem to lack a lot of basic socialization, which might be why a messy relationship having actual care behind it is so inexplicable to you.
This is probably because ACTUAL drama was being portrayed instead of some casual tv-show slop like you were trying to use as an argument earlier... and it was a bit too deep for you.

>>740647928
the problem is intent and theme are meaningless if the execution is poor
and setting your game in the real world means that your story has to track with what people know about the real world
aside from the fungus, the game does not show any significant deviation that can explain an alternative to the breakdown of the supply chain preventing the production and distribution of any vaccine viable

>>740648509
this anon gets it, thank you.
thank you for getting how these kinds of stories work.

>>740648198
fair
that's more accurate

>>740634108
Why did they even need to do surgery on her?
Why couldn't they just take a sample of her blood and do tests on it?

>>740648584
its a fungus, not a virus or bacteria
its not sitting in her blood, its a physical growth sitting in her body.
So this naturally would mean they need to do a biopsy and physically cut out a piece of it.
That said the blood could give them antibodies or other things.
The fungus is in her brain and around her nerves, specifically.
So, they need to go into her brain.

The writers intended for this to be a lethal thing.
But it hasn't BEEN a lethal thing to biopsy the brain for a long, long time.
Just... difficult.

the fireflies are terrorists killing soldiers of what they call the "fascist state of america"
in the first game the hospital is in disrepair and dirty and you can find evidence of them already having killed several immune without any medical progress (not the rerelease, that was cleaned up by cuckman to cover his tracks) and they sent joel away without his promised payment at gunpoint so they cant be trusted
even if they were able to make a cure, the government would hunt the base down and the fireflies would destroy it so it didnt go to the "fascists"
cuckman saying that he would do the same thing is joel is just cope to endear himself to the audience
the way he wrote tlou2 is proof of what he really thinks

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>>740644813
>doesn't state what update

>>740634623
>hur dur why da science people not have proper condition during literal apocalypse?
this is you

>>740648454
There's literally no care put in the relationship you delusional moron. There are very few far between exchanges between the two but the actual progression of their relationship consistently happens off screen. You do one encounter the characters treat and talk to each other a certain way then there's a several month time skip you are transferred to a new location to a new encounter the characters treat each other very differently. It's funny how you try project your insecurities on me hiding behind a veil of being passive aggressive and snarky it's especially hilarious how you keep repeating the goddman thing in every of your posts do you really think it will stop me from calling you a dumb fucking sissy?
>>740648509
Again all of that is irrelevant and is not the topic of the conversation. The quality of the writing is abysmal I'm not arguing that it's good. We arguing about intent

>>740648878
You don't need proper conditions to do a brain biopsy.
We first started doing brain surgery back in 1879, a mere 30 years after retarded doctors finally figured out that WASHING YOUR HANDS before surgery was important. (1847)
you just need to build a frame to hold the head in place perfectly still.

>>740648882
>anon thinks that relationships only exist in cutscenes and conversations
oh god... you don't know how to communicate in person without talking.
>more name calling
>more fanfiction
It is a crime that your most basic education (reading and social interaction) was mangled in this way.
I am sorry for you.

>>740634108
Why did she need to die to make a cure anyway? Were they going to put her in a blender or something

>>740649035
You are not person though you are literally too dumb to qualify as one. Surely the relationship development happens when you press left click to shoot your gun in this amazing movie game not in the dialogue or the cutscenes. Jesus christ you get dumber dumber with your every post

>>740635274
Cordyceps infecting humans is about as likely as AIDS infecting amoebas. It's hyper-specialized (inflexible) diseases that you're trying to infect a radically different lifeform with.

>>740649259
>You are not person though you are literally too dumb to qualify as one
I am very sorry that you have become so enraged that english is failing you, and that you do not understand how being around a person and doing things with them breeds closeness and familiarity.
Being this angry over Druckman screwing up the writing but making a good game and a good story on accident, because you don't want to see it, is beneath you.
You have been robbed of a proper education in reading and social interaction.

>>740649363
chemically speaking it is perfectly possible for a fungus to infect us in that manner.
the only handwaves are in the fungus lasting and the bodies remaining altered instead of dying from a lack of food and water.
but that is normal for zombie stories.

>>740649461
>chemically speaking it is perfectly possible for a fungus to infect us in that manner.
No shit, but it's not physically possible for a fungus to infect something about a million times larger than it's used to.

>>740649461
How do you faggot even find time to feel sorry for others being wronged by life as much as you are. Like you literally must be the most bottom of the barrel philistine to believe any of that slop was any good

>>740649584
You are quite wrong, but its not THAT common of knowledge.
There are about 300 species of fungus that can and fill infect humans, and about 50 of them are common.
The difference is that the common ones usually just get your skin, hair, and nails... or the vagina.
Yeast infections.

There are some nastier ones that can infect your bloodstream... mostly yeasts as well I think.
Some kinds of meningitis are from fungi
Some others are only present in specific locations on earth.

Oh, and hospitals can develop weird funguses that are really resistant to anything you throw at them.

>>740649680
The more you rage and blindly insult me, the smaller you make yourself.
There was a good story there, it just wasn't the one Druckman wanted to tell.

>>740649792
Cordyceps doesn't infect humans, retard. Pay attention.
It takes over the brain of a creature weighing less than a gram. It won't work on a brain considerably more complicated and MUCH larger.

>>740645632
mistyyy

>>740649841
There is nothing stopping it from working on a larger brain besides the requisite dna and rna.
Chemistry is chemistry.
All it needs to do is bind to the brain and nerves in the right places in the right ways and produce the right chemicals.

>>740649792
How can I blindly insult you when your retardation is open for anyone to see? There was nothing good about this game be it its narrative or gameplay. The fact that you actually truly believe it is not surprising. Tracks with the complete lack of intellectual prowess you've demonstrated so far

>>740649939
>It would just have to do things it'd never actually naturally evolve to do, ever
What did he mean by this?

>>740649976
congrats... you figured out how horror stories involving zombies or things like zombies work :)
dunno why you are mad.

>>740649969
And now all you have left are insults?
Lashing out blindly like an animal?
Come the fuck on bro. Stop acting childish about this and grow up a little.
The first game was a massive hit and we all liked it before Druckman ruined things.
You cannot change the past just because you are salty.

>>740650063
They picked the dumbest possible way of making zombies, but they have their heads up their own asses and insist its 'the most realistic zombies possible!'
When literal space radiation magic heebiejeebies from Romero's films is just as realistic.

>>740635850
>Every man that played the game wished her dead after that.
Why?

>>740650063
Just because a bunch of retards thought something was good doesn't change the fact that it was objectively terrible. I will keep responding to your retarded empty posts as long as you are willing to play this game you dumb sissy just because I know how much it annoys you thanks to you never failing to emphasize it in your every post you silly failed abortion

>>740650098
This sounds like you are taking anger over something dumb the devs or some journos said and putting it on me.
I never said anything about the zombies being realistic or plausible, and neither did anybody else.

Just because its theoretically possible on a CHEMICAL for a fungus to do what it does to ants to human doesnt mean its plausible for the game to happen bro.
Take it easy.
IRL we would see the fungus coming from miles away and the game would never happen.

>>740636181
I don't feel any such obligations to the "human race" whatsoever.

>>740650223
Cordyceps cannot infect humans, not without some hardcore genetic engineering being involved.

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>>740634108
the second game pretends the cure was gurenteed.

Niel is a cunt

>>740650208
What a sad bundle of hatred and impotent anger you are.
The game was good and had an impact on us, which is why we can keep having threads on it so many years later.
>annoys you
Anon I pity you.
It is sad and disheartening to see what people have become in my nation due to being taught how to read and socialize incorrectly.


>>740650274
Correct. it cannot jump the necessary evolutions without a LOT of time or someone engineering it.
Nobody said that part was plausible because it isnt.
I didn't declare it as part of the handwaves so I guess thats on me, but nobody thinks nor said it can just jump like that.

>>740635178
It's fine to start a story with an impossibility to reality. It's not even an issue to potentially find a cure through weird brain science in game. The real issue here is the FIREFLIES ARE ABSOLUTE CUNTS and will help no one even if they find a cure. Not even to mention the current faction wars that are gonna go on seemingly forever for no good reason. You're immune to a fungal virus, cool. How does that prevent the bullet from entering your brain?

>>740650358
there is also no reason to think the fireflies won't just be ganged up on and the cure lost in the process because it seems pretty sure that they intend to keep it to themselves if they get it.

>>740650357
Anon, you're on 4chan. The fuck are you talking about in regards to 'hate'?
Denounce the talmud.

>>740650357
I'm a pretty happy thank you very much. I can't help it not to be in a presence of a clown of such a large caliber as you. The repertoire is a bit repetitive if I'm being honest but oh well when you optimize your retardation to such an extent as you there's barely any time to do anything else I imagine. The game is shit and because it's so bad it's very easy to talk about not. Good things are usually not a particularly engaging thread material

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>>740650408
Yes, this is 4chan.
I am just as free to be the bigger man and look beyond your failings to the ones that engineered them in you, as you are to be the smaller man, raging after he lost the argument in every way possible.

You are free to choose to be a nigger about this.
I am also free to choose not to engage you in niggatry.

>>740650408
>>740650509
hold on which of you is the man-child who lost the argument?
One of you got in first and I want to be sure as I try once more to appeal to the man you were meant to be instead of the sad loser you have become.

>Good things are usually not a particularly engaging thread material
lmao this thread has proven you wrong.

>>740650512
You are not looking past shit though you hypocritical snake. You do nothing but talk about it. You are just a sissy that struggle to think straight

>>740650512
Denounce the talmud, jew.

>>740650573
You literally entered this thread to talk about Cuckman ruining your perfect story you delusional faggot. We haven't talked for a second about the positives of this piece of shit game. You just blindly keep stating that it was good. Also what's up with the name calling I thought you dumb retard was against that?

>>740650573
Also the man-child who lost argument would be you. Always glad to help

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>>740650584
>that struggle to think straight
did a 3rd worlder slip in?

>>740650629
Ok so you are just a schizo
yeah jews are the retarded fuckups who god keeps punishing for their arrogance that refuse to learn.

>>740650642
So look now there are three of you.
I get that one of you is just seething because you were out argued and robbed of a proper childhood, but the rest of you really should take a second and wait.
Calling you a manchild is not name-calling.
Its what you chose to present yourself as.
>>740650726
ok so you are seething and samefagging massively... christ bro way to let yourself down further

>>740634108
It's the end of the fucking world, not wondering if the lettuce you bought is still good.

>>740650742
I'm not samefagging retard. I just made two posts to answer you. I'm not pretending to be anyone else. I even added also so that your dumb ass won't get confused. didn't account for your specific case of mental disability my bad. Also it's hilarious that you believe you won any argument here you enormous faggot. I entered this thread calling you what you are the moment I made my first posts. You dumb sissy can't get over the fact that I pegged you down so quickly so you futilely try to hide behind passive aggressive snarky remarks like a cock gobbling homo that you are

>>740650642
>We haven't talked for a second about the positives of this piece of shit game
Sorry, missed answering that while you were samefagging out of impotent rage over losing again.
I started out with the positives while explaining what people were divided on.
The game presents a really good moral dilemma where there is little reason to trust the fireflies but they literally have the most qualified team of people in terms of credentials and training left... who also act sketchy like the rest of the fireflies.

Its very simple and easy to summarize and its been said many times.
>>740650879
you made 3 posts, by the look of it.
Calm down :)

>>740650921
I literally made 2 posts to this retarded take of yours you faggy bitch>>740650642
My other posts were replies to some other retardation of yours of which there's no shortage in this thread sissy

>>740650921
>740650980
My bad this retarded post of yours >>740650573

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Gentlemen, its getting late and
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>>740651029
Seems to be getting saltier and saltier since I pegged him as illiterate and antisocial.
If you are going to crash out harder and harder other people will pretend to be you for entertainment's sake :)
You chose to stop arguing about the game and devolve into this.
All I did was avoid insulting you and lament what made you into this pathetic mess.

You wanted me to get mad, to rage, and to insult you.
And in the process all you did was insult yourself.
You flopped about from arguing that Druckman was right to arguing that the story was shit anyways.
That is sour grapes if I ever saw it.
I will recite a Christian prayer before bed in the hopes that the good Lord will send you opportunities to dig yourself out of this dark place you have been thrust into by the failures of your educators and parents.

The real question is would a cure really even matter at that point? The fungus absolutely shreks people’s bodies to force room for the fungal growth. Let’s assume this is a genuine cure rather than just an inoculant. It’d likely be weaponized as it’d almost certainly kill people with late stage infection outright because of the severe bodily alterations made to accommodate the cordyceps. Those that haven’t gone full shroom dome will still more than likely be left a mangled mess beneath the skin and would be a resource sink on any settlement unless they got the cure within hours. This is of course assuming that a parasitic infection that can mutate enough to jump from insects to mammals wouldn’t form a resistance to the cure within a few generations. Situation’s fucked, Jim.

>>740651420
Yeah its fucked either way, but not beyond what humanity has recovered from before... assuming a foothold IS gained against the fungus.

>>740635741
>>740637048
Cuckmann was a *unnyfag? I like his original designs better, desu.

>>740651181
There was no flip flopping anywhere you retard. I'm kinda tired of wasting my breath on you when you can't see the point straight. I'm getting second hand embarrassments from watching you fail so spectacularly at reading comprehension while constantly accusing others of the same. My argument is that thematic intent didn't change. My argument is that the thematic intent was decent. My argument is that the story is shit and doesn't lay down the proper ground work for the thematic intent to work properly. My argument is that overall the story is terrible and the failure isn't surprising. This isn't flip flopping it's different arguments that can freely coexist at the same time and be relevant at different stages of our exchange. I once again reiterate that you are mouth breathing retard that can't take the heat and should fuck off back to the shithole you crawled out of.
Also nobody was pretending to be me it's an anonymous image board you dumb retard with how retarded you are it's no wonder you dumb ass would be called out by several anons

>>740634108
>Hey Joel, let's make a deal. Bring that girl back to our base several weeks long away from here and we'll give you back what we stole, I promise.
>*Joel gets Ellie to Fireflies' base but gets beaten up and doesn't get his stuff back*
>Lmao, whatchu gonna do bitch? Anyways this is for the greater good, we promise and we Fireflies never break our promises kek lmao even
I mean, I wouldn't trust them either, if one of those niggas said "Goodmorning" I'd look outside to make sure it's not night

>>740644964
And? A lot of the same shit happened.
I remember when my old ass aunt and uncle were raving about season one and giving me shit for warning them that the show will shit itself by the second season so it wasn't worth even watching the first one.

Should have listened, but clearly I was wrong because videogames are meaningless media and the show will obviously be superior right? We had the prophecy years before the calamity and they refused to listen.

>>740634108
How long was she out cold?
Just wondering...

>>740655040
Several hours after being slightly drowned too

>>740652040
Mathew 5:39

>>740634108
I'm glad his gender reassignment surgery was successful and now he's a big movie star in chris nolan movie

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>>740635337
>>740634108
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Essentially they (by which I mean Druckmann) got mad that people pointed out the 'quandary' in the original game was anything but. The Fireflies 100% could not have made a cure by scooping out her brain. That isn't how it fucking works. You want her ALIVE to take all kinds of samples from. You may need some brain tissue, yes. You don't want to kill her.

They could have easily made it "she won't die, but due to the paucity of our equipment and circumstances, we're going to have to operate on her repeatedly and each time it's going to damage her brain more and more, until she's just a vegetable whose forgotten you and everyone else." THEN the moral dillema becomes 'do you sacrifice this young woman to a LIVING DEATH to save everyone else, or do you preserve this young womans future at the potential expense of everyone else?'

This is much more believable and also much more dire than just killing her, which is a one time sacrifice and a painless experience she might be willing to make. But in the end the writing failed, and Druckman had a little fuckie-wuckie over the world calling it out so he doubled down on baby's first morality lesson about the cyclical nature of violence and revenge.

Considering what he lost and went through, Joel is totally justifed by the fact that the Fireflies didn't give him his reward of cache of weapons he was promised. His reward was "you're lucky to be alive". Fuck those people. If anything considering the situation the world is in, if Joel can kill everyone and take their weapons he should.

One thing I've noticed thing about leftists, redditors and other trash alike is that they really have these incredibly simplistic views of how things work. They think if you create a vaccine in a completely doomed and depopulated world where all social norms have been completely abandoned and violence is the only law, that the world will automatically fix itself (maybe through the power of communism?).

>>740635337
I don't care, Death of the Author, there is nothing in the games that confirms or denies whether the Fireflies could've made the cure or not.

>>740656358
I'm a communist and my reading of TLoU is actually that Joel did the right thing because the Fireflies were going to sacrifice an innocent life to a misguided and ill-fated attempt to restore the past when places like Tommy's settlement show that society is capable of persisting under the circumstances and we ought to look forward, not back. Joel's change of heart is ultimately a rejection of the possibility of going back and a determination to face the uncertain future, symbolised by sparing the life of a child.

One thing I've noticed about reactionaries is that they really have these incredibly simplistic views of how things work. You disagree on the interpretation of a work, so they must all be communists and the issue is communism somehow.

>>740655920
>The Fireflies 100% could not have made a cure by scooping out her brain.
The game suggests they maybe could've, and that's what we have to go on.

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>>740656713
>communist gets mad at the fact that communism wouldn't work even in a completely fictional universe
lmfao

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>>740656806
And this is why the writing of the game is fucking retarded, because the entire crux of the series revolves around the writers and characters all having to beat into the player's head that a cure would've objectively 100% worked for no other reason than "trust the experts"

If the game ever properly suggested a cure was feasible, you wouldn't have the creator having to do interviews 10 years later going "no really, it would have worked!". He says that SPECIFICALLY because the game doesn't properly address how retarded of a concept this is and is deliberately vague about it

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I wonder if there were ancient Greek bookclubs that wasted their lives going:
>Ummm, I don't think the Trojans would have ACTUALLY just taken the horse into the city? Why does every character just accept that as fact? It's not very realistic if you ask me
That's the story retards. The Trojans took the horse, the cure would have worked. The point is that a humanity that will sacrifice their own children to make that cure don't deserve to have it, and should instead become The Last of Us™.

I think Joel deserved to die just for shooting unarmed marlene who was ellies guardian and not telling her
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theorize about how dumb the fireflies are all you want but daddy joel was never in the right

>>740656967
>One thing I've noticed about reactionaries is that they really have these incredibly simplistic views of how things work. You disagree on the interpretation of a work, so they must all be communists and the issue is communism somehow.

It doesn't even matter what I actually write, does it, you're just going to read something something communism I'm dumb and so goddamn crazy

You are making discourse impossible, incidentally

>>740657256
>the entire crux of the series revolves around the writers and characters all having to beat into the player's head that a cure would've objectively 100% worked
No it doesn't. It just suggests that it might, and that's enough for the plot to work and for the dilemma to exist. Is it a foolish hope that people cling to out of desperation despite it being unfeasible? It could also be, and that has implications on its own.

Really, the hack move is going on record and trying to take the doubt away by confirming things that didn't need confirming.

>>740656806
The game also shows that the fireflies are incompetent retards that fuck up literally everything they try to do, but suddenly you're supposed to believe that THIS time they'll do something right

>>740658143
>but suddenly you're supposed to believe that THIS time they'll do something right
Are you though

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>>740634108
I think the point is that it doesn't matter

Whether he did know or not, he felt that humanity is a fucked species that isn't worth saving. They are evil, who can't even work together, squabble, rob, steal, rape, are pedophilic, ratshit individuals, and are tribalistic even in the midst of their own extinction and will just repeat the cycle all over again. He would rather live out the rest of his days with a surrogate daughter than without one instead of saving humanity.

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>>740657598
According to this pseud historian faggot, he believes that the Library of Alexandria was mostly filled with scrolls that entirely comprised theories and treatises on Homer's works, so maybe.

>>740634623
What would you know about writing when you seemingly don't know what suspension of disbelief is?
Also
>zero (0) infrastructure
It's an hierarchic organization that functions as a micro-government. They have somewhat functional logistic and communication networks. They have a hospital, energy, water supply, its implied they educated the younger members.

>>740644868
> Fungal infection
> VACCINE
You're the worst kind of idiot.
The sort that mistakenly believes it is intelligent.

>>740634108
Trust the science, Chud.

>>740661737
>its another episode of a dishonest piece of shit pretending not to understand things

low iq swine

>>740634108
Why did the second game never bring up the fact that the Fireflies went back on their deal with Joel? He held up his end of the deal, and they responded by stealing everything from him, and wanted to throw him out into the wild with nothing on him.

>>740635664
Too bad Troy Baker, who improvised a lot of Joel’s lines, and is basically responsible for his more memorable moments, heavily disagrees with Cuckmann after becoming a father.

>>740635392
>Firefly don't pay Joel
>In fact they even take his gear from him
>Going to dump it outside, alone, without equipement leading him to a certain death (if they didn't planned on shoting him in the back themself)
The fireflies deserved it

>>740634108
Tried playing the game three different times over a fucking decade but the moment you arrive and are slow walk carrying a ladder with some sheeboon mmmbucking at you I shut it off. I cannot understand how anyone can tolerate these "games"

>>740664464
You kill her at the end.

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>>740634623
>midwit writing.
This is literally what Louis Pasteur did to develop a rabies vaccine, only he used rabbits. Perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect here - the writers are midwits, but you're a fucking retard

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>>740634108
He trusted the science

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I'll stick with my mystery mutt zombie apocalypse daughter, thank you very much

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>>740635741
Holy shit so he's the guy behind Anonymous Agony. No wonder why dev on it slowed to a crawl when he got more responsibilities at Naughty Dog.

Ellie is not a lesbian because lesbians do not exist
Mind-control fungus is more likely to exist

>>740664819
Louis Pasteur lived in a very advanced society with a fully equipped laboratory at his disposal. He had glassware and microscopes and nutrient broth
The 19th century wasn't the fucking stone age.

>>740664819
No, it's not. Don't debase and dismiss what Pasteur actually did by comparing it to retards whose first response is, "Our only hope for a cure? Yup, kill them and hope the corpse yields useful results!"

Why does this series attract so many tourists who haven’t played the games yet insist on participating in discussions about the story?

>>740666147
It's big enough that people have a vague idea of what it's about regardless

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>once upon a time there was a world killing sickness turning everyone into zombies. There was one very special girl who was immune to the sickness. Now the only way to find a cure was for doctors to use her. But the sad truth of the story, is that if the doctors use her, she will die.
>4chan-

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>>740665602
>Louis Pasteur lived in a very advanced society with a fully equipped laboratory at his disposal.
>He had glassware and microscopes
Top kek, you don't think a large hospital has "glassware and microscopes"? Oh my god - how fucking stupid are you? You know every major hospital has an on-site microbiology lab, right? How do you think they establish antibiotic sensitivity when you rock up with a pneumonia? Do you think it's magic? Do you think they send samples to a wizard in Japan to culture them? It gets sent via medical student to a double-digit IQ lab monkey to be cultured on site.

>t-they had nutrient broth!!!!!!
Nigger, I can make an agar plate in my garage. You can grow most fungi on a fucking potato. Just shut the fuck up lmao.
>>740665732
It is. Describe the procedure Louis used to extract an attenuated version of rabies, anon.

>>740664319
>Firefly don't pay Joel
This is what bothered me the most, Fireflies asked Joel to do something which was impossible for them: move Elie from one end of the continent to the other. They knew he was more competent than them and he delivered on what he promised. They backstabbed him in return. If they can't be trusted to pay the delivery guy, how can anything they say or do be trusted?

>>740634108
Because there's no compelling moral decision if the cure is not possible. The story would fall flat and create an unambiguously correct action to take.

>>740666697
>Top kek, you don't think a large hospital has "glassware and microscopes"?
They explicitly did not. Watch the sequence again, you can see how much of the hospital the Fireflies actually controlled. A couple rooms turned into food storage/barracks, a hallway, a patient room converted into a impromptu surgery room, and part of a hallway that's blocked off. I'm not counting the elevator shaft they used as their waste disposal/latrine which lead to the areas of the hospital they abandoned. You don't see a single microscope or advanced piece of equipment.

It's clear that they were losing ground to the zombies when Joel showed up.

>>740666697

This fucking moron thinks a dilapidated hospital in zombie world is exactly the same as a functioning hospital in any developed nation LMFAO
I'd tell you to kill yourself but you're so fucking stupid you might actually hurt someone else, so just sit there until you die of ignorance you fuckwit.

>>740667527
>They explicitly did not.
Did they show the microbiology lab was looted or something? Did you mean 'implicitly'? Just shut the fuck up, anon, you're clowning yourself.
>>740667717
Do you think the bolted-down microscopes were looted, or do you think they moved themselves? Do you think the zombies took them? Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>740634108
Shut up and play We Must Become Better Daddys simulator, goy.

>>740663618
Troy Baker would sacrifice his own children?

>>740669361
>Did they show the microbiology lab was looted or something?
Yes. Look at the signs, the labs were in the parts of the hospital that the Fireflies abandoned. The equipment might have still existed but the Fireflies had no way of finding out. They were living out of a hallway and a few patient rooms. The only medical or scientific equipment they had was in those rooms.
>Did you mean 'implicitly'?
No.

Was the virus global or just in America?

>>740634108
He didn’t care either way; he just didn’t want Ellie to die.

I do wonder if the show will keep the both sides bad presentation of the WLF and the Seraphites, cause that thing can no longer be believable due to the current events happening in Tierra Santa

>>740666697
>Top kek, you don't think a large hospital has "glassware and microscopes"? Oh my god - how fucking stupid are you? You know every major hospital has an on-site microbiology lab, right?
this nigger thinks any of this shit will still be working 20 years into a complete collapse of society scenario
hint: they wouldn't even be able to reproduce the advanced manufacturing done in the 1800s when there is no society to produce the resources needed