This might just be the best game of all time.
The grind makes it a 7/10
Mogged by Tactics Ogre, though.
>>740635916Mogged by Kaga games in terms of SRPG quality.Even if you are addicted to building supersoldiers, there are more games dedicated to it.Personally it strikes a decent balance between build autism and SRPG, topped with an epic story.
>>740636253Grinding is self-imposed.
>>740635916it's fun, but the balance is fucked
>>740635916>jrpg >gamepick one
Most FFT fans never touched any other SRPGs (except maybe Tactics Ogre) in their lives and claim it's the best.That's just like Persona 5 fans thinking it's the best JRPG ever lol
>>740636305I tried playing this a while ago but I was trying to get some witch and got bored of the grinding. I wonder how far into the game I was.
>>740635916>gameplay is slow by srpg standards, with giant wastes of time for every single aniamtion and map move>Writing is shit, with protagonist is your standard anime cuck who will just stand and watch without doing anying, just for world to feel more "edgy">nobles are stupidly evil, but commoner had le hard past, so everything is forgivenNah bro, it was mehAt least pick advanced
>>740638634FFT is kinda overrated by boomers but your reductive take on it is also kinda garbage
>>740635916Yeah i love grinding to earn good-boi points to spend on skills that should have been unlocked by default because you can't play the game without them.This is one of the most player-hostile games ever made. It has nothing but contempt for its audience.And the localisers increased the in-game cost of everything in the USA version, making it even worse.>>740636973That's an outright lie.You have to do it to earn the points you need to unlock skills you need in order to play the game.Even the most basic fundamental skills/jobs are locked.You literally can't use a fucking potion on a character who's wounded unless you've grinded to earn "JP" to spend on the "Use Item To Not Die" skill.It's absurd.
>>740636305>>740636464>>740637221Hey guys let's not discourage them from making their own thread for once instead of just whining in ours like they always do.
>>740639780>And the localisers increased the in-game cost of everything in the USA version, making it even worse.Decreased. The localized (PS1) version is significantly easier than the original. Later versions restored the original costs.>That's an outright lie.>You have to do it to earn the points you need to unlock skills you need in order to play the game.Which you earn by playing through the story battles and any random battles you encounter on the way to story battles. That's not grinding, that's just playing the game. If there's a demon in your head telling you "I need to unlock EVERYTHING right now or I can't make it", that's your problem.
>>740635916which version do I play?
>>740635916You're absolutely right. >>740636253That's the most fun part though>>740636305Also a great game>>740639975The Ivalice Chronicles
>>740639975SFC version
>might *is*Fixed for you. >>740637221I played Let Us Cling Together and, no, it is not better than Final Fantasy GOATics.
>>740640075>The Ivalice Chroniclescan you make them sprites instead of this weird melty look?
>>740635916So long as we're talking about the playstation version, yeah
>>740636464FE4 was the most boring game I've ever played, no clue what FE fans are smoking when they think that dogshit is quality
>>740640134With mods, yeah.
>>740640075>>740640134There are some mods out there that do that if you are so inclined, yes
>>740639958He's a regular filtered or trolling retard in FFT threads anon. People keep correcting his misinformation (like the increased JP costs) but his copy pasted posts remain the same.
>>740640256Japs fucking love it, used to always rank near the top in Japan. I fully agree, story was awful. Only cool part was the grave scene.
>>740639975Either PS1 or Chronicles. I guess Chronicles if you're too lazy to mod the PS1 version and need some QoL features.
>>740637221Top 5 SRPGs?
>>740635916It's not for everyone but it scratches a certain itch that is impossible to find again for those that love it.Tactics Ogre comes close, doing some things better and some things worse.
>>740638634You’re a disingenuous faggot and your taste is shit ramza is based and literally does not take shit from anyone >le nobles are evul There’s a good amount that aren’t >le peasant are good Many are not and are literally bosses Shut the fuck up
I played WotL on PSP when I was a teenager, I probably put 200+ hours in. I impulsively bought the Switch one because I was like "no way!" but I seriously don't think I have the time for it
>>740635916Nah, >>740636305 is better imo, but its okay
>>740635916Biggest flaw is never being able to control this chad
>>740641058It's not even that long of a game
have you ever tried walking in place while playing fft
>>740641058I guess it can be played like a mobile game in short bursts but it also has some level of macro planning for your units that is easy to lose track of if it doesn't occupy your mind often.
>>740641218No flute?
>>740635916it's certainly my favorite final fantasy
>>740641124I don't care about guest units but seeing more of his side would be cool.Biggest flaw imo is the lack of advanced enemy jobs used against you. You keep fighting priests and knights all the way. Also the war of the roses part of the game is more interesting than the final fantasy crystals stuff.
>>740636305I wish. Tactics ogre no matter what version is just a boring fucking game. Law route is the only route worth playing. Otherwise, game is a waste of time.
>>740641058I broke the timer on wotl. it stops at 99:99:99, and I probably tripped that with maxing out everyone's stats. I got the new one for free. I had a Walmart gift card and bought a physical version for switch. it's in my back log
>>740636305Tactics ogre is excellent but FFTactics story is better. Anyone who likes FF Tactics should play this
>>740641124>chad>cuckold who got stabbed by his own wife
>>740641476you haven't done the midlites deep? you fight a whole army of ninjas, and they throw chaos blades at you
>>740641549I have the switch version, but I have so many games to finish before I jump into that
>>740641058The Voice acting is really good. Made the later half with the demons much more interesting.
>>740641640Well I wanted more of that. There is also the issue of enemy units being generated with garbage skillsets too so fighting something that does cool stuff is a bit too rare for my liking.
>>740641693I was going to play in Japanese, did you do it in English?
>>740641752I see what you mean
>>740635916I love FFT because I grew up with it but it really isn't a great game under any critical examination. The biggest problem it has is that it's absolutely trivial for the game to just break itself even if you go in blind when you just stumble onto a busted set up because they're so easy to enter. Difficulty is just so poorly tuned in FFT.
>>740641752it's technically not a challenge if all your units have sticky fingers
>>740641810I personally like it for the story, and I'm sure that's why it's so popular
>>740641810Play the new Ivalice Chronicles Tactician hard mode then
>>740641779Yup. The English VA is great especially when they turn into Lucavi. Lord of the Rings style accents except for Cloud who due to how he got there is murican.
>>740640123>This is just be the best game of all time
>>740641940I bought wotl day one, and I understand why people don't like it, but they're wrong. I love the original, and updated version with the animations, and voice lines.
>>740641810The newest version Ivalice chronicles hard mode fixes that. No more going from impossible to piss easy.
>>740641796Should be an easy thing to fix honestly. A hard mode that's not ball bustingly difficult but touches up enemy formations to be interesting sounds like an early mod if anything. I guess the ai can't handle too complex strategies but even just decking a unit out with nice equipment and giving it an annoying reaction ability can spice things up.
>>740640794Radiant DawnPath of RadianceThree HousesSacred StonesBlazing Blade
>>740636464Final Fantasy Tactics is a more fun game. Thracia 776 is a better game from a pure strategy perspective. Genealogy is a joke
>>740642076All trashFFT mogs those easily
>>740642082I have a soft spot for this tactics game. Played it when I first got a PSP.
>>740635916It's not even the best SRPG from the 90's
>>740640794>>740642076you guys ever played vandal hearts 1 & 2, or saiyuki journey west?
>>740641940I spent so much time trying to get Cloud and then he was just fucking level 1. I wasn't going to spend another 5 hours grinding him
>>740642234>"save before you enter battles anon">"lmao do u think im some kind of casual?">enter side battle without saving>there are like 5 giga lv9999 dragons>im like level 9>no choice but to beat them>read up guides and learn about that elemental synergy shit that made little sense>make god tier strategy>beat them>do next mission >its against bandits or some shit>story gets weird>drop gamewell, I was enjoying it a lot but I basically ruined it for myself being a god gamer that doesn't save scum
>>740642074like the other anons said there are difficultiy settings in ivalic Chronicles. I personally haven't played it yet even though I own it.
>>740642429Hes my second dual wielding samurai. The limit breaks are pretty good.
>>740642429The way leveling works in the game it's not that bad. Still baffling he joing at level 1 though.
>>740642429cloud is trash character even if you have the materia blade, and max him out. soldier is a garbage job class.
>>740640256FE4 is kino but also you have to look at it with the lens of a war observer. Kaga has a vision of what a war should be and sticks to it to a tee. Big open spaces, cavalry everywhere.Too many units too which I think is completely the opposite of what FFT was.>>740640681Story is sparse due to its age. But I like how it shows the epic scale of war instead of FFT's "tell don't show". Which also applies to Tactics Ogre too, but that one has more units in the battlefield at least
>>740642537who decided cherry blossom is better than omnlislash?
>>740642234The PSP had a lot of weird games I got because the library wasn't huge. I might be one of the only people who played and enjoyed The Legend of Heroes Gagharv Trilogy even though they're pretty objectively mid jrpg's
>>740642550can you bequith in ivalic Chronicles? that's how I maxed stats out in wotl
>>740642602Cherry Blossom and Omnislash both suck in Tactics, Finishing Touch is the GOAT.
>>740642375how about Vanguard Bandits and Saiyuki instead?Vandal Hearts is too bland for me.That said Saiyuki's were system is what an Attack on Titan SRPG would have been like.
>>740642665yeah I agree. I very disappointed
>>740642679saiyuki is way underrated, and may actually be a hidden gem
>>740642082Genealogy is the one that needs a remake the most. It has lots of features but the SNES is heavily limiting it to its full potential.
>>740635916This game released 3 years before the Bioware overrated slop known as BG2 and its x10 times better in both gameplay and story.
>>740642679I never got to play vanguard bandits, it was always gone from the rental stores, and I couldn't find a copy of it to buy. although I could play it now via emulator
>>740642234I tried it and found it pretty boring sadly
>>740642506Hard mode in IC is utter crap. All it does is make you unable to nuke units by lazily applying a damage penalty for you and a damage bonus to the opponent. So you just switch your strategy over to petrifying people. Not a fan of the game having to alter the rules in its favor just to be "hard". If we both have the same knight unit there is no reason one should be stronger. Ultimately it's not an interesting way to do difficulty compared to having the player develop a counter strategy.
>>740642794those are two completely different games
>>740642729Honestly I still think the were concept is unique, but the other features are showing its age and limits. I like it makes facing important in damage calculation, but the fact that hit rate / accuracy is totally invisible to the player is bullshit.But for a Journey to the West rpg I appreciate it a lot, and the spritework and artstyle is great.
>>740642857It was the first time I had to give a shit about which accessories to use which I liked.
>>740642857Ever seen the 1.3 mod? It does some fair things in theory, like actually giving every enemy a full slate of support skills, but it also does some bullshit like giving some bosses the ability to equip weapons in their accessory slot and shit like that.
>>740642857I see. I don't know about you, but my main focus in fft is to see how op I can get with max stats. that's the difficult part having to lower your levels and picking the right jobs
>>740642760I don't think so, Mystery of the Emblem didn't have these problems, nor did thracia. It is heavily flawed from a design and balance perspective. The threats are few and far between, the macel strategy isn't that hard. You spend more time moving your units in some wacky staggered formation than you do engaging your enemies. Some of the optional objectives add a form of challenge but the game is fairly easy to a point where you don't need to sweat about any of them barring like Naga
>>740642658The bacon ability? Sure.No idea why you'd use that for Cloud, unless we are talking about stat maxing via Onion Knight which doesn't exist in Chronicles.
>>740636305SPBPPeople only hate on it because they played FFT first.
>>740641810>Difficulty is just so poorly tuned in FFTI think Matsuno just doesn't care much about the gameplay and let some other staff did it, which is why compared to Tactics Ogre there is lots of ludonarrative dissonance in it
>>740642967yeah I was talking about wotl. did they end up adding death knights to IC?
>>740642954I still just think it's budget and console limitations.Thracia and ME didn't have problems because Kaga wasn't aiming them to be a large scale war simulator. Every map in these games fit a certain scenario, while in Genealogy there is a reason there are only 12 chapters in total.
>>7406429461.3 is also ass sadly. It is in no way lazy as it has some fun stuff in it, but at the point where it does stuff like have regular enemies carry infinite elixirs so they can heal full HP and MP every turn it lost me.I guess the point of it was to be super hardcore and difficult for bragging rights so I can't blame the autism. Not something I'd ever play for fun again.
Shame about the typical "kill God" final level
>>740642967>>740643021I always named my little sacrifices pig, pigu, piggy, pig mog, and faggot.
>>740642234JD'arc is cool.I feel like the transformation system are homage to the PS1 Saiyuki game.But as always since it's def. inspired by a folktale the story itself is limited to that scope. Still entertaining, and that sacrificial moment is brutal.
>>740642946there has to be mods on pc that allow you to randomize enemies, abilities, and skills.
>>740642951Always found leveling down and up completely unengaging. And I say this as someone that likes to build units taking into account job stat growths (annoying).
>>740643101It's more budget I think. Der.Langrisser handled the scale fine and even had auto movement command. That game has its own slew of gameplay problems but scale wasn't one of them
>>740643176Yeah that's pretty bullshit, but it is possible to farm 99 Elixirs. You'd be basically unstoppable with that. But I think there was another variant of 1.3 that just implements the basic things like giving enemies support skills without the insane bullshit difficulty.
>>740643293I enjoyed it personally. I'm a numbers guy
>>740643021Mods added it apparently.
>>740643293>>740643341to me it's fun learning the mechanics of a game, and manipulating them
>>740643278The pc version has been surprisingly tame with mods so far, taking into account that the FFT is supposed to have a very active scene. Or it used to.
>>740643350man that sucks. death knights, and soi knights were an awesome addition to wotl. it's too bad they didn't add them to IC. >what were they thinking!?
>soi doesn't get auto changed to onionswhat happened?
>>740643451you'd think there would be a ton
>>740643232Yeah. I can still picture it in my head and remember it being messed up because while that character was getting a bit manic she didn't deserve her fate.
onions
>>740643494>>740643617I spelled soi wrong lol
I always make Ramza a dual wielding ninja, I don't even know if that's a good strategy
>>740643463They weren't thinking. If I was making Chronicles I would have options settings to let the players experience the game how they want. Even pokemon rom hacks let you toggle game mechanics on/off nowadays. Their "we wanted to stay close to the original" excuse is lame when they changed stuff without much thought themselves too anyway.
>>740643641I make ramza a duel welding Arithmetician samurai
>>740643293It's absolutely unnecessary to my enjoyment of it, only build autists slurp at it.That said finding that mecahnic existed is comical and makes me wonder what the devs were thinking.
>>740643694>squire
>>740643641It works but it's far from the best and most versatile. The fantasy of something cool is often more important so play how you want.
You know what would've been crazy? If dual wield actually affected Holy Sword techniquesOf course that sounds OP but they can always do it the Valve way
>>740643726you know they meant for people to find that mechanic.
>>740643726It's barely a mechanic really. It's just a result of jobs growths not being equal and the devs implementing a level down trap that's a mechanic more common in older RPGs.
>>740643829double holy sword techniques? now that's just too op, anon>says the heretic with all jobs mastered, and max stats
>>740644004why did they give him a thong
>>740644004>wrong pic
>>740644096leather strips to protect his ass hole from the zodiac
>>740643941No wait I take that back. Thinking about it, it's also a result of how raw stats get translated into actual stats and how raw stats are just in a pool tied to the unit.
>tfw Holy Explosion
>>740644183fuck yo cards nigga
FFT OST is proof that mankind can achieve greatness.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NivFjekKnbg&list=RDNivFjekKnbg&start_radio=1
>>740643641Dual wield Katanas learned as Ninja but then go Samari for the really good AOE attacks and buffs.
>>740644217the ost for fft is truly a masterpiece
>>740642234>cuts hair off for "character growth"
>>740644253fuck that duel weild Excalibur 2, and 1.
>>740644191>tfw Agrias always ends up as a magic class cause she's a woman
>made two of the greatest game for the company>got firedThere's no gaming company that deserved to go bankrupt more than Square Enix
>>740644004Lol thong armor.
>>740644278This is FFT not FFTA. In FFTA you don't dual wield, you Geomancy + Holy Blade for the lolz.
>Jeanne d'arc >Agrias = SaberWhen will we get a Fate SRPG?Not including Type Moon Wars. That is just an SRW clone.
>>740644253at least have one chaos blade equiped
>>740644361you're right. I'm getting mixed up
>>740644358yeah that's his gay mercenary armor lol
>>740644183RPGs have always been the penultimate genre for escapism.It's funny that the best acclaimed RPGs usually need to have elements of realism though.
>>740640681They like it because of shipping faggotry
>>740641940I did not like the ye Olde English voices in either FFT or Tactics Ogre
>>740644462I actually liked ffta, but it's not as good as the original, and than it's better than 2
>>740643181Back then that was a new and novel concept though.>>740644361You do that in the first game too, equipping the Geomancer job with Holy Sword secondary makes your Holy Sword hit like a truck.
>>740644639that's the only thing it's good for. geomamcer is a fly over class unless you're trying to get really powerful. it's a pain in the ass to level
>>740644361I thought A2 was the Geomancy cheese game
>>740644639>get me the fuck out of here>I have enough JP to class up, please!no
>>740644639>equipping the Geomancer job with Holy Sword secondary makes your Holy Sword hit like a truck.Geomancer job doesn't interact with elemental weaknesses. Also pretty sure the sword skills have no element even though the ai counts them as having one for the purpose of choosing moves.The FFT version of this is really Magic Gun + Strengthen element. It's not as strong because Strengthen is not double damage like Geomancy but shooting accross the map for 500 is pretty funny.
>Love SRPGs>Love Job systems>Fuck all new games for years now
>>740644583I didn't like WoTL script either, but I don't think in the remakes the TO script were as flowery as WOTL.
>>740644794It can be strong there too yeah. I mean it's obvious a passive that doubles your elemental damage is very good with the right skills.
>>740642451>"save before you enter battles anon">lolno>I am nine years old and Ramza is a chemist because I wanted him to have a gun>DRAW YOUR SWORD RAMZAAnd that's how my first run ended.
>>740644639>>740644879>we need you to suffer a little longer...
>>740644959Mewgenics, bro
>>740644906the easiest way to level up geomamcer is duel classing as a monk. especially if you unlock geomamcer early because they're a useless class
>>740644879This but fem mancer.Tough. Don't blame me, blame that cute sprite.
>>740645252dancers are unique. they're based on what items you have/stolen.
>>740645252>>740645302I'd rather steal from elmdor's whores than be a geomamcer
>>740645252dude the perfumes and women onky items are op
>>740645197What do you guys mean by level? Unless you mean abilities all jobs level at the same rate.Geomancer is far from useless too. The skillset of 0 mana instant long range AoE + status is really good. And they get to equip a lot of stuff so they can wack things in the front line too. They are just not completely broken like some other jobs.
>>740644906>Geomancer job doesn't interact with elemental weaknesses. Doesn't need to, Holy Sword damage is based on your PA rating and Geomancer has high PA. Spell guns and elemental attack boosts are sick though.
PS1 or Steam?
>>740645427their abilities are tile based. you unlock them too early it's all earth based attacks
>>740645018kek
>>740645429If we are maximazing PA then knight or lancer are better though. I don't see why it has to be Geo + Holy Sword.I might be imagining things but I think I remember the game having a knight dual wielding icebrand + black robe somewhere. Seems cute.
>>740645429you don't need PA at all if your second one is monk
geomancers are weak, so you star punching
>>740645653>start
>>740645534Well you can certainly fuck up what you learn when playing for the first time>waste JP on lava tile ability>no lava until chapter 3The vine and cobblestone are very common and the statuses powerful at least.
>>740645440PS1 + optional translation patchSteam if you really really love VA
>these mother fuckers are so powerful they get you JP regardless of class
>>740645009I specifically remember a class in A2 that can use melee attacks from every element without needing MP.
>>740645704the thing is that you need to master them to unlock arithmetician
>>740645592>I don't see why it has to be Geo + Holy SwordBecause Geomancer can wear headgear other than helmets and Knight and Lancer can't, so you can use the Twist Headband.
>>740645704>>740645893they're the weakest job class in the game. that's why you pair them with monk, and fists so you can actually get JP
>>740645864Yeah Parivir. Swordmaster class with elemental iaido skills that hit for ×2 damage as a normal attack. Couple it with Geomancy and you have a heavy hitter. Only falls off when the optional content has enemies with resistances to all elemements.
Interesting challenge run suggestions for vanilla?
>>740645987theif only
>>740640105Sega Saturn version is better
>>740645986why would you duel weild katanas when they're not as strong as swords?
>>740646096lmao 2kat
>>740645986>>740646096oh never mind you're talking about advance 2
>>740645856>breaks the law of energy conservation like a boss
>>740646134monks are op and broken
>>740645957Interesting. Unsure if +2 makes up for the difference of the PA multiplier but I can see it in the lower levels where +2 is huge and you don't have bracer yet.>Dual wield sword + PA boosting bag Agrias build
FFTA 2 gameplay wise is better.
>>740646134>>740646153I'm pretty sure you can just beat the game as a max level monk
>>740645987SCC/SSCC to start, but there are tons of them.>>740646162Yeah, it's good to level up with. Maybe not as important later on, but since your characters' stat growth is tied to which job they level up in, it does make a difference.
monks are like sneak theif archers. they're just too strong
>>740645987Clear all enemies (makes assassination battles actually hard)No mathMales locked in magical jobs, females in physical3 - 4 units limitChoose any/all you like. Not meant as something hardcore but will require some more thought.
>>740646370if you're talking about fft (original, wotl, or IC) a army of women monks and ninjas with destotry everything
>>740646370>>740646447too EZ
I think everyone is forgetting about the zodiac system
>Steam has it for $50Who the fuck would buy that when I can play the original for free on anything with slightly higher graphics then a tamagachi. Is there some reason why? Is it the same war of the lion changes?
>>740645987>>740646370make it even harder with no ramza
>>740646618no it's not the same as wotl. Just emulate it
>>740645987no ramza leveling. keep him in the corner at all times>you're going to fail
>>740646447I mean if you have a 3 unit limit it's going to require some elbow grease.If you're asking for a real challenge and not something to just spice up a playthrough then I remember a mod that disabled exp gain so you were always lvl1. You could couple that with some SCC/SSCC for extra difficulty. I honestly only ever liked Mystic as a SSCC because status effects are interesting. At some point you have to decide whatt the right balance of fun vs hard is for you. A SSCC Archer might be more difficult but outside of seeing that it's possible it would be a snoozefest.
>>740646810I can do that easily with one monk and two ninjas. all women, but the hard part is that you have to level them up
>>740646810>>740646910not that anon btw
>>740645987you'll fail every challenge unless you have a way to beat Wiegraf, and all the other ramza 1v1 battles
>>740646618There is no real reason outside of details like native widescreen, voice acting, not bothering with emulation etc.Like, benefits only "dad gamer" types appreciate and negatives the same types always handwave away as insignificant. It's not a bad version of the game but at 50 bucks who gives a shit. Plus I'm not a retard and can mod the original for a better experience anyway.Ultimately it's a cash grab version for people too lazy to bother. Could be worse I guess.
>>740636253Dont play the weebshit remakes. The american OG requires way less grinding
I soloed the original game as ramsza and it's hard even when you're OP when it comes to storyline battles
>>740647063you can beat fft without grinding if you know how to make a strong character
>>740647063monk is viable class to beat the game with. you don't even need op weapons since you just use fists
>>740647063>>740647193all though I recommend learning duel wield since you can pinch twice as a monk
>>740647226>pinch their assholes twice with 999 damageI meant punch
>>740646910You do you. If you are imagining yourself having double sword and hamedo in the first chapter then yeah. Vanilla challenges are just a matter of banning whatever you think makes the game too easy so it's up to you.The only "modifier" I will insist on trying out is to clear all enemies. The game has so many assassination missions that turn into a different battle if you have to kill all the fodder while disabling the target.
>>740647305>assassinselmdor's little whores?
>>740645429>Spell guns and elemental attack boostsThis is good but it's not the real most based thing in the game you can do with a gun. The best thing is to use Battle Skill with a gun so you can shoot off all of an enemy's equipment from 8 spaces. >>740643641Dual wielding ninja is one of the best builds in the game, it's the other build that works best with Battle Skill. Using Speed Break with a dual-wielder is basically GG for that unit, they won't get any turns ever again.
>>740647364duel welding is one of the best skills in the game hands down
>>740647358No, I mean missions where you only have to kill or critically wound a single target or boss. Those are always way too easy in my opinion since you can go all out expose yourself while also nuking the target and end the fight.
>>740647435oh, I understand
>>740647063american isn't the original
you know what you shouldn't waste abilities on? teleport
only use teleport when you're trying to steal elmdor's genji gear, and mursame. it's useless everywhere else
>>740647364>shoot off all of an enemy's equipment from 8 spaces.The best part is that those aren't mutually exclusive. You can also do physical damage with a magic gun by targetting equipment the enemy doesn't have, like shield on a monster. The damage formula gets a bit funny there and can overflow for 999. But yeah I guess I try ro avoid obvious exploits.
>>740647465It's the american original
>>740647576if you can wield a gun, and have knight abilities you can destroy armor and weapons
>>740647506Not in chronicles that's for sure.
>>740647665it's mainly useless
>>740647635I know
>>740647665>>740647681even in the original and wotl. it's a giant waste of a slot
Geomancer is so fucking bad. Literally what is the point of this job.
>>740647735To make you seethe and make me happy, what else.
>>740647735a cute
by the time you get teleport you already have shout, and you can already act 3 times. teleport is one of the most useless abilities, and it's sad, because it seems really cool
>>740647814she's super cute
the gameplay is so fucking slowdid they speed it up in the remake
>>740647880just emulate it. there's a fast forward button on the psxe
>>740636305Treasure
>>740647835>>740647735I am on to you
>>740647814Christians are the heretics
>>740648000you'll never catch up my speed is beyond you
>>740647735Smacking your enemies with feng shui is cool
>>740648037>*teleports behind you*Ready to eat your words?
>>740648000>>740648037+20 speedheh heh good luck dude
>>740648083>shout
>>740647408The Speed Break trick is even better than it sounds because the Ninja is the fastest job in the game, so it's better to do it with a Ninja than to put dual-wielding on another job because the speed gap between you and the enemy just gets bigger. Another fun trick is to use Yell/Scream or Speed Save to get more speed on top of that.>>740647635I literally just said this.
>>740648087I love ffta, but this is a fft original thread
>>740648087The fat shark things are lame. The rest can stay. Shame about all the female humans that got extinct.
>>740648161the beat job in the game is unique to ramza, and it's squire
>>740648087>Viera are better mages than the dedicated mage raceBlood Price was a mistake
>>740635916This is the WORST fucking cover the game could have.
shout is literally the most over powered ability in the game
>>740648108>>740648136>Assuming that I'm slowerIt's a single movement slot investment :)
>>740648302but I have 4
>>740648206Ubersquire is definitely one of the best jobs, it has Scream, Ultima and some of the most diverse equipment options of any job, including knight swords.
>>740648161I prefer Monks desu. They land both way more often due to higher PA
>>740648336You have 4 what?
>>7406484384 attacks
>>740648380ultima isn't even that good, but shout and yell are super overpowered
>>740648463>anon that thinks is fast is actually retarded
>>740648396The Ninja is faster, so you get more attempts, evening it out. The Monk is still a good pick though.
>>740648380>>740648527Ramza also has other equipment that normal squires can't equip
>>740648553my speed is beyond you're control>you're going to die tonight, bitch
>>740648527Ultima is a lot better after you've used Scream a few times. But the only major use I found for dual-wielding on a non-Ninja job is swordskill jobs and Ubersquire. Ubersquire Ramza with dual-wielding and 2 knight swords is a powerhouse.
>>740648563I find that Ninja is better as the dual puncher that kills enemies while the Monk is the better debuffer. I really don't want to be making multiple attempts with how frail Ninja's are, and often enough you have to work through a shield's odds. But obviously both can work nicely. Just exaggerated on the Ninja speed difference a bit in my opinion. In reality striking twice for speed break is lethal on its own, even on a knight that did it once on a boss.
>>740648721it's not worth. you can do more damage with duel weild. by the time your maxed out ultima just does 999 damage. it's useless
>>740648704>speed peaking that earlyPathetic
>>740648781monk, and ninja are both really good classes in the game
>>740648835my speed doesn't peak. no one is strong enough
>>740648721Dual wielding is funny for some stat boosts as well. Like a Geomancer with 2 rune swords for +4 MA.
>>740648835>>740648875as a heretic I literally killed that last skank false God in two moves with ramza
>>740648958they were big moves. massive moves. lots of damage
>>740648958>Not mime maxing for fancy setupsPeople are trying to do it in half a button press nowadays I hear.
>>740648895every damage boost doesn't matter when you can just hit 999 regardless of your class. you have to understand how to utilize it
>>740649058what's that?
I think the most underutilized abilities are talking shit to enemies, and lowering their bravery, faith.
>>740649071I lost you anon.
>>740648781Ninjas aren't as frail as they seem at first with the right reaction abilities and items. I use things like Angel Ring and either Blade Grasp/Shirahadori, Dragon Spirit/Dragonheart or MP Switch/Mana Shield (or perfumes instead of Angel Ring if it's a female ninja). You only need to be able to survive a couple of hits because Ninjas do massive damage and will often OHKO, so if you just know when to hit an enemy with standard attacks and when to hit their stats or equipment with Knight skills, you basically can't die.>>740648794Yeah, I don't use Ultima that much, most of the time everything dies to dual-wielded knight swords anyway.
>>740649162And convincing enemy cuties to join your party so you can strip them of their clothes. What a great job.
>>740649181you have to learn how to have extra moves, rdouble attacks. extra moves. that's why shout is the most over powerd ability in the game. speed let's you attack more than once
>>740649257I wish I could recurrent elmdor's slutty whore assassins
>>740649278You solved the mystery of speed being the best stat anon
>>740649187once you can naturally hit 999 on a regular attack everything else becomes useless
>>740649379I solved this a long time ago
>>740649331Those 2 are the hottest characters in the game.As well as generic dancers.
>>740649435I totally agree
>>740649435>>740649460If you know you know
Let's settle this: if you use TG Cid, did you beat the game?
>>740649435I was really disappointed that I couldn't recruit them. too bad
>>740648794>Duel weildFor the love of god, look at dictionary before posting, you stupid ESL
>>740649380Against normal units in single player this is usually true, but in some of the hard mode mods and multiplayer you'll run into enemies that have Reraise and Mana Shield, and it also helps to have something else against zodiac beasts because they can exceed 999 HP. Speed Break/Magic Break are much more damaging to zodiac beasts than a 999 attack.
>>740635916>"This is undoubtedly the best game of all time"ftfy>>740637064True, get a mod for it, I suggest Retweak>>740639975WotL, everyone shits on the Shakespearean prose but it's the only possible game where it fits without sounding pretentious, as I said to the post above yours play it with the Retweak mod.>>740640075TiC has an artstyle all over the place, I don't get why in a medieval game with a grounded political intrigue plot they choose to make everything in the UI have this neon glow to it making it look like an asset flip phone game.
>>740649494I didn't use him, but he's still fucking cool
>>740649494You didn't beat the game if you uses half of the shit in this game so who cares.
>>740649545anon I have over 1200 hours in these games. stop being a faggot only reply to me if you're talking about fft
>>740649551stone them
>>740649494Yes but only if you make it a bard
>>740649676damn.. that's rough
>>740649648>wears anti-petrify accessory
>spoony run
>>740649716which boss fight are you talking about?
>>740649716>>740649764you know that you can stone demons
Everyone who said "waah why did they abandon the political plot and go kill God at the end" is a faggot, prove me wrong.
Should I stop playing SRPGs like chess and just focus on stats and character skills because every time I play a SRPG I try doing epic positionals and it never ever works.
in elmdor's zodiac boss fight his little faggot demons can be stoned, and you can stone him too if you break his faith. he turns into that 4 armed ram.
>>740649789I've never seen anybody do that, does it work on all of them? I wouldn't think they'd make the final boss vulnerable to stoning.
ramsza is so powerd he can just stone demons
>>740649826They are just rpgs anon.>epic positionalsThose only come about once in a while by circumstsnce. 80% of the time you will be walking in range of an enemy and hitting them.
>>740649961you have to lower their faith. you can't just do it
>>740649971I was playing XCOM2 and kept dying over and over again and just assumed I was really bad at positioning
>>740649994I thought lowering an enemy's Faith made them less vulnerable to magic, not more. How the fuck does that work?
>ramza shouts>elmdor is a fucking faggot>loses faithlike I said before orator is underrated. you can make your enimes feel like shit by yelling at them because they're gay
>>740650059Which is better, FFT or XCOM?
>>740650060correct. you lower their faith so you can turn them into stone
>>740636305I prefer lucavi, agrias, cloud strife and Delita.I do like Kachua though. And canopus.
>>740650060>>740650146break
>>740650060There is a high chance of bullshit
>>740635916Is this better than Sengoku Rance?
>>740650195no. it's real. there are tons of ways to beat each fft encounter/storyline battle
>>740650130Purely based off gameplay? XCOM, though XCOM is admittedly bullshit sometimes but that adds a lot of replay value. I like FFT and replay it once every year or so but I have 1600 hours in XCOM 2. I like FFT’s aesthetics and flair more though.
>>740650195>>740650249the thing is you have to beat elmdor's zodiac mode before your break ends because his demons come back even if you kill them. that's why your turn them to stone. I beat this solo. it's hard
>>740640256FE4 was amazing, just give more battles throughout the map so your entire army has something to do and it would be kino. Still get chills when thinking about the silessia campaign or Elsigan or the finale in the first act
>>740649826At first focus on survival. Live units get to act, downed units do nothing. Pay close attention to what your enemy can do and reach. In Xcom and others more brutal ones only max cover/defence/unreachability matter, the half-covers and other low chance defs are beginner traps. Focus one enemy down instead of spreading damage on multiple enemies that still survive to act on their next turn. If enemy attacks, it's irrelevant if they are in full health or whittled down.Know units' strengths and weaknessess. If your ranged unit acts best from back and is weak to melee, don't bring it to frontlines unless you are 110% sure you can take down any melee enemy that could reach your ranged unit or neutralize any damage your glass canon would take. Jack of all trades is objectively worse than unit focusing on one aspect unless the jack of all trades is main character who by design needs to have variety. Your fire ball mage doesn't need to waste resources on punching hard, you will never bring the mage to melee.
>>740650249Pretty sure the formula for break is faith based
>>740640794
>>740650338yes I stated that you lower their faith
>>740650130I like both but I have to say Xcom gives bigger thrill while FFT lets you customize units more to your desired state. FFT is enjoyable power fantasy while Xcom is more about rolling with punches and minimizing risks
>>740650390Higher faith = more vulnerable to spellsI think you are confused about something. Or there is extra content in IC I haven't seen because Elmdor does not turn into a zodiac in the first fight.
>>7406502921600 hours, got dayum. I probably have at least 400-500 in FFT though. I've beaten the game I think 5 times and also fucked around with a bunch of mods. If you replay it every year you've probably got about the same amount.
>>740650460I haven't played IC yet
>>740650460maybe I am. the bravery faith scale is kind of confusing
>>740650487Then idc what you are talking about when you say you lower faith to raise petrification chances.
>>740650528what do I was trying to say is disable elmdor's minions when he turns into the zodiac monster. you can break them if you have enough speed I did this solo as ramza
>>740650419I'm all about the unit customization so FFT is more my style, and the story and characters are among the best games ever. I knew a couple of guys who loved XCOM though.
>>740650614What minions? The skeletons and the zombie knights? Sure you can break them. Anon was asking if the literal boss was able to be petrified not the minions.
>>740649494using the named characters are basically cheating. especially mustadio, orlandeu and beowulf. then again, the game only demands you actually know what you're doing in about 10 of the 80ish campaign fights
I want to post a picture of elmdor transformed by the zodiac, but I can't find an original artwork piece where he's a 4-amred ram demon
>>740650752because you're looking for wiegraf, not elmdor
>>740650703no his zodiac fight. the final showdown against elmdor where he uses the zodiac stone
>>740650776nope the final showdown against elmdor and he's cornered, and he used the zodiac stone
>>740650803elmdor doesn't turn into a four armed ram. he turns into thishttps://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Zalera_(Tactics)
why is it so hard to find original fft artwork?
>>740650782Yes his minions are skeletons and zombie knights. Are you ok anon?
>all you do is yell in a corner for an hour and then become mathematician to wipe entire maps in one turn
>>740650715Yeah Beowulf is busted, might be even more busted than Cid. Okay maybe not but he's close.
>>740650965while orlandeu will basically win the game for you, beowulf enables degenerate grinding strats with speed break and chicken
>>740650884who's the fat faggot in the church who summons demons then?
>>740650914You don't even need to yell in a corner if you use Math Skill, you can just instakill everyone.>>740650965Beowulf is slightly less powerful than Cid in general, but he's actually stronger against zodiac beasts because his life drain ability works on a percentage of the opponent's HP. You basically can't be killed as him because he'll always top himself up.
who are each demons who posess the zodiac stones?
>>740651018thats cardinal delacroix who turns into queklain/cuchullain
>>740651039I was more thinking of how you get to that point as solo ramza which is the only way I play the game now
>>740651018>>740650841>>740650776This anon tried to reach you but I think you are too lost. Been drinking?
>>740651065that was right after elmdor, right?
>>740651089yes sir
>>740651098no, that was several hours before elmdor
>>740651127I just remember several boss fights in a row. my bad if I'm mixing them up, I just want to about how powerful you can nefo
>>740651185>you can get
you can easily stop demons in fft. I'm pretty sure you can just use status abilities on them
>>740648003this, ban christmas
>>740635916No because once you understand and have mastered its system, theres no reason to replay it.
>>740651270this makes you look bad, jew
>>740641549FFT story is a ripoff of Berserk bruv
>>740651290Brah there are so many challenge runs you can do of this game and so many builds to try you can never get bored of it.
>>740651325when fft released mostly everyone was unaware berserker
>>740651290that's the point. you want a challenge? play the worst of the worst, and try and beat the game
>>740651325yeah we were too busy watching fucking dragon ball z
>>740651473I was watching Bleach, thank you.
Does anybody actually use Mimes?
>>740651270it's yule in the civilized world anyway
>>740651394true, i still love fft, mime was the best job
>>740651593>>740651607
I've been thinking of this mother fucker the hole time. fuck this faggot ass bitch>Pic rela
>>740648161>>740651593You can use a Mime in an extremely OP turn manipulation team comp. Mimes are best when they're used with abilities that don't require you to target a specific unit, like Bard or Dancer abilities. Get Ramza as a dual-wielding Speed Breaking Ninja, with a Bard using Last Song, a Dancer using Last Dance and a Mime miming everything the Bard and Dancer do. The enemy will never get a turn.
>give me the zodiac stones, or die
>>740651780Get 3 arithmetics/mathmeticians and 2 mimes. Fucks everything up. 1 arith acts and 2 mimes follow, the other acts and it cycles, thats 9 moves.
>>740651896mathmation is erased.
>>740651936?
it's time to master classes
>>740645063>>740651990fag
>>740651936it's arithmetician you dummy
have fun guiz
>>740652182You going to get drunk?
>>740635916Mogged by Triangle Strategy.
>>740652965I think in terms of map design and choices that matter, TriStrat wins.That said I find TriStrat characters boring and lacking depth, although I think it's also caused by the writers making the world awfully small which reduces the sense of stakes. The dialogues are painstakingly boring as well, albeit better than the Octopath series.Ultimately reminded me of Sacred Stones, which I consider the worst FE in terms of stakes.
>>740635916it certainly shat on mainline finalfantasy games of it's time, and even to this day it's possibly one of the most fun iterations of turn-based & tactics combat.It's a childhood classic and I am willing to praise it but for some reason I couldn't bother finishing it the last time I replayed itMaybe it's because I already know all the jobs and it's not as exciting the second time when it's no longer a mystery to figure out
>>740637064After chapter 2 every single fight is basically kill the enemy in one turn or be killed in one turn. I don't know if the expectation was that you'd be losing units left and right and spending untold hours training new ones or if they expect you to just grind until the game is piss easy.
>>740648721Ultima is basically just a stronger fire 2 , dunno why the devs decided thats a better fit for ramza at nearly the end of the game when the final boss has an even better version of the move
>>740651593>Mime can't use clothes for some reason>Literally hard coded that way so you can't mod them to wear armor???
>>740642972I played TO first and FFT right after, FFT played much better imo, both had their jank but TO felt like way more of a stat check.
>>740658646TO has a weird damage formula where your final damage number is dictated by being first filtered through opposing stat checks and armor. It leads to cases where you can do pitiful damage if you're not geared or leveled enough that FFT avoids. FFT battles and maps are also much quicker to have you face the enemy as opposed to TO's bigger unit count and slower map battlefield traversal than you're going to spend some turns simply moving around.All that said I think TO makes better use of choke point strategies and environmental kills via gravity. Hard to reach tiles also offer more of a reward for the right ranged units. They certainly play differently even when they are similar. TO is definitely slower though, people that dislike how FFT is slow might have more of an issue in TO.
>>740636305I played the N64 one and found it an interesting novelty due to the console it was on, but otherwise kind of brain dead once you figure out the systems. Are the PlayStation entries better?
>>740656201>Triangle Strategydoes it even have an OST that can compete with FFT ?
>>740644879>>740644906Geomancer / Dual Wield / two of the +2 magic swords isn't good, but it sure is fun.
>>740635916It legitimately is.
>>740644339My thoughts exactly. They don't deserve him.
>>74066409164 is good but MotBQ is a lot better imo, the soldier promotion system in 64 just lengthens things for no real benefit imo.Saturn version is ideal for Ogre Battle, it adds voice acting and a few bonus maps, PS1 is probably the worst due to load times and a lot of text in the game using an awful font
>>740641810I love the game still. But you do have a point. The whole game is easy dave for 2 fights if you are not ready for them.The bull boss that ramza basically needs yell, and second is the ninjas that will kill the character you need to protect if you don't go before them
How to make a strong archer?I was never able to. Also wtf is up with charge?
>>740669913Ignore Elevation, Max speed since it's the same as PA for bows, Minmax charge every turn, consider ranged breaks and golem as secondary.
Agrias sexo
>>740675680Thanks, I didn't know the thing about speed. Crazy thst the game doesn't explain that at all.How do I minmax charge though? What's the point for charge 20?
>>740678442Charge works the same as spellcasting. Each charge level resolves at incrementally more clockticks in exchange for power. When you target an enemy, charge the most you can before they take a turn and move (or you are in danger of getting hit by their allies mid-charge, that's why elevation and safety are important). Sometimes you can charge up to +5, other times the turn order only allows for a small +1.Start by learning the early levels of charge first. Something like charge 20 is very impractical outside of using it in combination with immobilize or something.Charge is a bad ability but not unworkable. It just provides a small damage boost to your attacks most of the time.
>>740644906>>740645592ice brand combined with elemental armor buff PA. holy sword takes that PA to do nonelemental damage.thats why its a common Agrias build.
>playing fft for the first time with TIC>going very smooth, came up with a simple asspull for killing weigraf>get cool act 4 characters>become obsessed with getting them loaded out before the end of the game>start grinding>lose interest in playingRIP
