This is Fujin from Final Fantasy VIII. She speaks in isolated kanji characters. English localizers translated this into all-caps, single-word statements, making her seem like she is constantly shouting.
>>740642916So they made an autist autistic?
>>740642969Pretty much. It is like translating chigyu as chud, it is the same insult. Language is a mere representation of the Will.
>>740642916She did shout plenty in the game though. She even stomps her foot and everyone around jumps as if she's doing something loudly.
>>740642969Yeah, but in a shrieking madwoman way instead of a military efficiency way.
>>740642916Making into single words and achieves the same effect. All caps maybe less of a great choice, but with so much shit localization out there this is an odd thing to concern yourself with.Just in the last few game conferences were japanese game trailers with the same AI or amateur translation red flags."So, you are...""Yet you..."People will still perpetuate it cant be helped memes frim 20 years ago because they dont know what actual translation problems are out there now, but I personally encourage you to pay attention to how often you hear sentences starting eith So or Yet
>>740643383You ever see women in the military? It is just shrieking madwomen yelling at guys trying not to laugh at them.
>>740642916That's not the impressive I got but I played KH2 first so I can understand. I just thought she was speaking in that deep tone girls do when they try to act scary.
>>740644974*impressionor not scary but the 'le random xd' deep voice
This is Shotgun. Important character to the FF7 lore who is completely forgotten.
there's no exclamation point so it doesn't seem like she's shouting. It's a bit closer to how NORG-SPEAKS-LIKE-THIS.>>740645395I played this goddamn game or at least the RPGmaker recreation of it, and Shotgun is even less important than the entirety of Crisis Core. That is to say, less than nothing. Negative experience. If I can get the keitai game to work I'll try it but it probably won't be much different.
>>740645525>NORG-SPEAKS-LIKE-THIS.Seriously what does he sound like
>>740642916I'm still ANGRY she didn't get an MTG card
Did you play the FF8 game from ILLUSION?
>>740645950something really exaggerated and goofy. Headcanon is Jack Atlas in the yugioh abridged parody and I'm sorry if that's cringe but that's all I can imagine when I see that thing
>>740646180What all the name again?
>>740645950Ignore the other guy. It makes her sound cold and clinical, as if she were a robot.For instance, when I read pic-related, it comes across as her sounding like>Persuasion ineffective. By force we take.
>>740642916>making her seem like she is constantly shouting.i thought it was trying to imply she was deaf till one of the last scenes where she drops the act
I just thought she was retarded.
>>740646835https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Mv1KrBjBI
>>740645395>>740645525i also watched the longplay of beforw crisis on youtube lol
The localization for FF8 is really ass, specially because the game is filled with callbacks and puns that the localization just doesn't catch, and in case of some characters like hers, Odine, and Ultimecia they just decided to rewrite their entire dialogue lines.
>>740646883Alright... I agree with this, I am not familiar with the jp version
>>740645395>>740645525The canon protagonist was retroactively clearly Shuriken aka Cissnei.
>>740648095i joke in my last post but they mistakenly asumed shotgun was the protag because the only youtube longplay uses shotgun (or at least it was he only video, maybe theres more now). you can choose from various turks named after weapons, who ll appear for like second in the short anime ova.i think i do remember hearing cissnei was the canon version of the player character, though im.not sure
>>740647784Honeywood, the guy responsible for the accents and crappy dialogue in Dragon Quest, worked on it, hence all the fan fiction.
>>740647784in its place it makes its own callbacks like whatever.you people have never tried to translate and see jus how different japanese and english are.find the japanese script and throw it into google translate or deepl and see how shit it is because thats what you people advocate for
>>740648937Neither have you if you call that ass of a script a translation.
>>740649101Im a professional working translator and currently am in the process of translating a few books.Im not in favor of extreme rewrites like the worst examples out there, but youre completely delusional if you think Japanese can be translated 1 to 1.
>>740648937Doing Whatever several times isn't a clever callback, it is more like a catchphrase.
>>740649293You must not be a very good one if you think the differences in syntax justify the kind of blatant rewrites we see in FFVIII.
>>740645950He's a fat fuck being kept alive in that machine. He's probably taking a breath between each word because he can barely handle it.
Chinese is all kanji
>>740649424>>740649405Making sensible changes that conveys the intent and underlying meaning, emotions, nuance, cadence while still being presented in natural sounding English is harder than it seems and these FF games are one of the few localizations that manage to do it well.The one of you being anal about it being a callback or a catchphrase are not understanding that its the underlying concept of an ongoing thing that develops meaning. Whatever in particular reaches its conclusion when Rinoa says it at the same time as Squall which serves as an effective emotional connection and character moment.Look up comparisons from the Ace Attorney Investigations 2 fan translation and official translation.You can scream angrily into the void and tell yourself you know what youre talking about as much as you want, but you dont. Im sorry.
>>740649909You call rewrites like these sensible? You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
>>740649909>Making sensible changes that conveys the intent and underlying meaning, emotions, nuance, cadence while still being presented in natural sounding EnglishFF8 failed at this, several times over.
This is another place where the localizers fucked up. Nida uses a phrase that revolves around the verb "動かす" (ugokasu), which translates to "moving" something.In Japanese, ugokasu carries an inherent double meaning. Metaphorically, it means to manage, direct, or run an organization (acting as the driving force or the boss). Literally, it means to physically operate or pilot a machine. Nida is proudly stating that he will become the man who "moves" the Garden. In his mind, he is declaring his ambition to eventually replace Cid as Headmaster, but the script is winking at the player because he is destined to literally pilot the building once it is able to take flight in the second Disc 2.The official English localization instead went with:>"(I'll be the ruler of this Garden someday!)"To localize this in a way that feels completely natural to an English speaker while perfectly preserving the writer's intent, i'd go with something like:>"(I'll be at the helm of this Garden someday!)">"(I'm going to be the one steering this Garden someday!)">"(I'll be the one running this Garden someday!)"I personally like the first one best, since "At the helm" is a widely used English idiom for being the leader or director of an institution. However, it is fundamentally a nautical term for standing at the steering wheel of a ship.This is a constant with FF8 localization work.
>>740650017He's having the conversation he wants to have, and not the one that's actually happening.
>>740643029>It is like translating chigyu as chud, it is the same insult.man they aren't even remotely the same thing.a chigyu is an autistic dork with no social skills.a chud is an internet racist who sends death threats for fun.
>>740650109Nice catch on that.>>740650115I was about to accuse him of defending his own, but I guess he already admitted to being one.
>>740642916I always interpreted it less as shouting and more as bluntness even as a kid before I was aware of her speaking in Kanji.
>>740650109God I hate how VII got the Remake treatment when literally everything about the Remakes would have worked better for VIII
>>740650482VIII would actually be a bit nicer if Ultimecia was popping up in visions earlier in the story to let us get to know our antagonist a little better, honestly.
>>740642916She does have a few normal lines where she drops the act
>>740651149This even the concept of the time jannies works better with VIII, even splitting the game into three games works better with VIII>Game 1 - Beginning until botched assassination>Game 2 - Prison until Garden Raid or a bit after>Game 3 - everything elsePeople keep saying they have remake fatigue but I honestly feel rough gems should be remade if anything does.
>>740651227As great as 7 was, I feel like it was the "rough gem" of that era. It was janky in ways that games like 6 and 8 weren't; sometimes running from one side of the room to the other felt like a challenge.>>740651347Cute.
>>740642916BEST GIRL
>>740648937well said
I want to fuck Fujin, ya know?
>>740653368We know, Raijin.
>>740642916She speaks normally in the french translation, which has a number of other quirks that i'll post about later
>>740653860DO IT NOW
>>740646883I would say I disagree with the all caps. If it was in カタカナ I should see it but if it's kanji there's no reason to put it in all caps and make it seem like her pronunciation is off. When it more just the sentence structure.
>>740654225It's mostly a lot of name changes for no reason.Sharp Spike -> Nine Inch Nail (described as being "the claw of an industrial monster") Diablos -> NosferatuQuetzacoatl ->GolgothaCrescent Wish -> Islam StarUlysses -> W.W. WestPhoenix Down -> MT-PsyAnd a ton of others, like Quistis' second whip that was renamed "Totally S.M." and the description was changed to something like "The more you use it, the more pleasurable it gets". Also they changed the magic levels system to, for example, Fire Fire+ FireX instead of Fire Fira Firaga, and that stayed in french translations of later square games. They also randomly changed certain minor lines, impacting certain plot points, for example Ward being mute isn't due to an injury anymore, he just breaks the 4th wall in one of the Laguna sequences and says "If that's how it is, i'll say nothing else for the rest of the game!".
>>740654773>If that's how it is, i'll say nothing else for the rest of the game!Based.
>>740654773What a weird decision. Then again, those were the 90s.Thanks for sharing, anon. Merci.
>>740654773>"If that's how it is, i'll say nothing else for the rest of the game!".
>>740654773interesting. the german translation is closer to the japanese.
>>740654773>Ward just arbitrarily taking a vow of silenceThat is actually funny as hell
>>740655265Interestingly this is a trend for Square Enix games. English is always the worst with the other translations being varying degrees of better(the german being the best). Though none of them end up being good because they're all dragged down by the english.
>>740654773>i'll say nothing else for the rest of the game!">all those scenes where he goes "......." years later is just the guy being stubborn
>>740654773Ok, so, i actually got the Ward part slightly wrong. The dialogue when they're about to jump off the cliff goes something like this:>L: My grandma used to say: "It's when you speak of something bad that it happens.">W: In that case...>L: In that case... what?>K: I think i got it...>W: I will not say a single word for the rest of the game.>L: What are you talking about?>W: Not a single word, until the end! I dont want something bad to happen to me, no way...>L: Ward, it's just an old saying my grandma used to say! I>L: know what'll get you talking! If i say you're FAT, you still have nothing to say?>W: NOTHING!!!>L: Nothing?>L: Well...And then Laguna spots a boat and they jump off into the water.
>>740656035
Apologize.
>>740656490I always liked him i have nothing to apologize for
>>740656490>"...."
8's translation seems to be a complete mess from what I've seen people post about it, there's no retranslation patch or anything like that?
>>740657139I've only seen rewrite patches, where the creators changed the dialogue to their own fanfiction to "patch plot holes"
>>740653860I my spanish version she talks like a robot
>>740651227With 7r system already perfected they could easily make a 8r in the futureBalamb seed missions also sounds way better than midgard missions
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>>740655465at least we didnt get the "whatever" nonsense.
>>740647784>UltimeciaI still to this day have no idea why she spoke in Mortal Kombat text. I've heard people suggest it's supposed to make it seem like she has a foreign accent but all the words she says with the C replaced would be the pronounced the same with a K anyway.
how do I get a quistis girlfriend?
>>740659403Go back in time to the 90s
>>740659185>I've heard people suggest it's supposed to make it seem like she has a foreign accentWonder what this is based. Lifting quotes from her pixiv page I don't think there's a foreign accent. I hope it's not just assuming there must be a reason because it's a square enix game. They do shit for no reason all the time. >「……eeD…」>「SeeD……SeeD……」>「SeeD、SeeD、SeeD!!」>「気に入らない……なぜ魔女の邪魔をする! なぜ私の自由にさせない!?」>「もう少しで完全なる時間圧縮の世界が完成するというのに……」>「さあ、最初に来るのは誰だ!? 誰が私と戦うのだ!?」>「ふ……誰であろうと結果は同じこと! 私が選んでやろう!」>「おまえの思う、最も強い者を召喚してやろう」>「おまえが強く思えば思うほど、それは、おまえを苦しめるだろう」>「わたしはアルティミシア」>「すべての時間を圧縮し」>「すべての存在を否定しましょう」
>>740660507just the usual case of anglos viewing japanese works as lesser so they feel free to just write over it
>>740660507She talked normally in Dissidia so it definitely was a case of the localizers doing whatever the fuck they wanted
She was 1:1 with my good friend Autumn Gale on FFXIV. I enjoyed that.
>>740660507someone in a thread a while back suggested she takes a masculine tone in the japanese script and the K stuff was an attempt to make her sound harsherplayed into the sorcs = fragments of Hyne
>>740645950https://youtu.be/52ZrLZdaGho?t=2644
>>740659185Doesn't that happen in the US version only?
>>740660939That guy was bullshitting because that makes zero sense. Her speech would need to be insanely aggressively masculine for that to even be in the realm of possibility(considering there are male characters using masculine speech that don't get the Ks). Even then it's still dumb. That's not a common thing in english writing. Extremely niche. Relevant quote from Tolkien.
>>740642916are you sure she's not just chinese
>>740661426masculine characters wouldn't need to have their speech emphasized in the same way because it'd be implicit due to them being maleartemecia needs it because she's femalethat tolkein quote is a non sequitur here; this isn't a colloquialism nor is it obscuredon't post again. you're ruining the thread with your idiocy
I remember spotting an error in the official LotR making-of subtitles, so I know that translation is difficult. I suspect the guys just weren't familiar with D&D stuff.
>>740643757can someone localize this post into english?
>>740662228Making into single words and achieves the same effekt. All kaps maybe less of a great choice, but with so much shit lokalization out there this is an odd thing to koncern yourself with.Just in the last few game konferences were japanese game trailers with the same AI or amateur translation red flags."So, you are...""Yet you..."People will still perpetuate it kant be helped memes frim 20 years ago because they dont know what aktual translation problems are out there now, but I personally enkourage you to pay attention to how often you hear sentences starting eith So or Yet
I'm mad we never got Final Fantasy Gaiden.
>>740662365cheers, anon. doing the lords work.
>>740659185>C pronounced the same as Kno retard
>>740662406We did get 光の4戦士ファイナルファンタジー外伝
>>740660507Man, ultimecia is kind of pitiful. She tried to wreck time to stop SeeD from hunting her, but it was because she tried to wreck time that they hunted and killed her. It was a misunderstanding!
>>740642916
>>740650224>tries to differentiate>there is no differenceAutistic dork with no social skills has high comorbidity with internet racist who sends death threats for fun.
>>740661768Her speech is closer to say Dracula from Symphony of the Night than your typical man which is to say it's more regal than rough masculine. Secondly, men and women talk differently in English. It's why a man can "sound gay" without being particularly higher pitched. What they did is not how you typically achieve masculine speech in english.
>>740661030That's literally Kermit the frog
Whatever
>>740661289I know she did it in my PC eidos copy from 1998 in the UK so not just the US? But also I didn't have their issue with it: It's clear it's a crude attempt to give her the accent given she also does the classic "Z"s for "S"s. Why? I have no idea given the Japanese didn't do anything like that but the original argument posited by this """user""" is either disingenuous or feckless given that.
>>740642916They translated Lenore as RINOA. The translators hadn't a fucking clue what they were doing with FFVIII. The game is a goddamned mess.
>>740662480>what is a "hard C" soundYou shouldn't make comments about English, if you can't speak it Rajesh
>>740662901literally no difference in cunt and kunt
>>740663001https://youtu.be/Ry6f801Tsl0You should be able to hear the k.
>>740658836孕
>>740662874well she is rinoa in the japanese credits too
>>740663254>ActorsWhat the fuck does that even mean.
>>740663406some motion cap stuff iirc
>>740663254How can a game without voice acting have actors...
>>740663254I have Quisitis.
>>740663254That doesn't mean it's not a translation.
>>740663254Imagine if they als put Ultimecia with Rinoa. The R=U crowd would have field day with it.
>>740660506But I don't want to be in school again.
>>740652016>PTSD from a training injury when she was young which lost her eye>has to make up for it by having a forced "tough" persona to copeShe's definitely cute, but you don't want goods this damaged. Same thing for Selphie - a forced happy / ditzy demeanor that hides her unhinged core (casually suggests blowing shit up constantly without even a hint of remorse, barrels into dangerous situations constantly, etc).FFVIII actually has some interesting takes on child soldiers and their psychology.
>>740663762Irvine was really well written and it's always wild to me that people don't understand him
>>740648937You're right, but EOPs and people who barely got a passing mark in their native language in school will never understand it. Pic related is a slight exaggeration of what would happen if the weebs got their way, but not by much.
>>740663762"We could skin this little guy and wear him as a disguise." - Selphie
>>740664028Deepl give us>This is a world of snow—White Snow! >Enjoy this beautiful winter wonderland.
>>740663762>a forced happy / ditzy demeanor that hides her unhinged core (casually suggests blowing shit up constantly without even a hint of remorseThat's just a common anime trope
>>740663762VIII was unironically too mature and subtle for its time and audience, and I will die on that hill. The JRPG crowd doesn't understand shit unless the characters yell out their motivation and character development in plain words like they're attending an endless therapy session.>I was an abandoned problem child, whom nobody liked. Even the potential foster parents avoided me. I created a new larger than life persona to feel important, feel powerful. I started reading books about sorceress knights, watched every movie adaptation. When I screwed up the SeeD exam, I felt like a failure. I had nothing left. But then she appeared and gave me a chance to fulfil my childhood dream. A way out of the mess I created. How could I refuse her?10/10, amazing character development, best JRPG ever.
Has there ever been another game that used the Junction system or something like it? Is it even possible to expand on it the way SaGa expanded on FF2's mechanics?
>>740664301Google gave me>This is a world of snow—a realm of pure white.>Please enjoy this beautiful, silvery landscape.I don't know what that translator was smoking. Did he get confused 銀世界 and tried to cover it up?
>>740664390Selphie has actual competence and resolve to back it up, though. She considers vivisections acceptable, is genuinely good with tech, is a crack pilot and adrenaline junkie, and loves her artillery. She's also self-reflective and insightful, unlike most anime characters of this type.
>>740664028Most of the time when people say they want a "direct translation", they don't mean a literal 1-to-1. They just mean preserving the exact meaning of what was originally said. Obviously because of grammar, sentence structure, dialect, and language peculiarities, a lot of the time you can't do 1-to-1, but as close as possible.IE: if the original text means something akin to "the highest authority in the kingdom", they expect the translation to be close to that. If the speaker's being facetious, something like "The high muckadimuck around here" or something might be appropriate as well.What most of them are saying they don't fucking want, is for that to become shit like "the head of the patriarchy that rules this country and oppresses all women" out of nowhere. Nor do they want the line completely rewritten to something like "Stop asking who's in charge because it'll never be you."
>>740664575>>740664301Anons, Deepl and Google are making shit up to make the JP version acceptable. The literal translation of these lines is:>This is the world of snow, White Snow village, Enjoy the beautiful glittering world.This is obviously total nonsense in English, so the AI has to localize it to make it sound like normal English. That's the point.
>>740664786You're responding to an example of a "direct translation" that isn't direct. No one understands what a direct translation is. It's a buzzword. 1 side uses it to mean accurate translation, the other uses it as a catch-all for anything they don't like. Any discussion around direct vs 1-to-1 vs whatever is meaningless.
>>740664948>This is obviously total nonsense in EnglishHow?
>>740662707>retarded republican trying to pretend all nerds are on his sidenot falling for it, chud.
Speaking of the remakes, is vii 3 the last one? Are they finally done with ffvii?
>>740652016grok, animate her unzipping her shirt pls
>>740665351
Will she be a party member in the remake?
>>740664948>make the JP version acceptableNo I just copy pasted wrong and gave the MTL>ここは雪の世界、ホワイトスノーinstead of >ホワイトスノー村Google didn't realize ホワイトスノー was a name, and deepL didn't clarify it was the name of a village. Which is my fault.>This is a world of snow—White Snow Village!Is what first sentence becomes when pasted correctly. Also half of the "literal" translation issues just comes from insisting "ここは" has to be "this". Pretty sure it's supposed to be "here" here. "Here in this world of snow is White Snow village" and "here" is a "literal" translation of "ここ"...The entire discussion over what is "direct" is pointless. What's more direct between "here" and "this place" for "ここ"? What about the ”は”. What about "よ". DeepL put and "!" is that the literal for "よ"? It's a bad faith point, That's why it has to be couched in the initial assumption that Japanese is a "dry language". Which makes no sense intuitively and even less sense if you know anything about other languages.
>>740665914>remake
>>740651347Armpits.
>>740654773Seems soulful, although I still do not condone changing text in foreign works, this is much preferable to what localizers are doing nowadays.
>>740648435>i think i do remember hearing cissnei was the canon version of the player character, though im.not sureIt's as the other guy said, Cissnei was designed for Crisis Core to be the canonical version of the Before Crisis player character and her corresponding player class ("Shuriken (Female)") was added in a late update to reflect that fact.
>>740666098he really was the most handsome guy in the room
>>740642916I wish they used Squall's CGI face instead of his Dissidia modern face in the remaster
I just feel so bad for Quistis. She clearly wanted to be fucked and then he fell for Rinoa instead.
>>740671360I wouldn't even have minded Selphie
>>740642916 Best girl!
>>740642916Looks weak to anal
>>740672794Too girly/cheerful for Squall. That's a girl you fuck once and chuck.
>>740671360Zero sympathy for her. She couldn't relate to him despite her feelings for him. All she could ever talk about was herself or tease him.She didn't deserve to win him in the end.
>>740664948>This is obviously total nonsense in English?
>>740673252ADORABLE
>>740673980Squall didn't mind it or maybe he couldn't handle her train autism
>>740643029>It is like translating chigyu as chud, it is the same insult.It isn't. Fuck localizers.
>>740643757>"So, you are...">"Yet you..."These are both fine.
>>740645395>FF7 loreIf it didn't come from the original playstation game it doesn't exist.
>>740643757>with so much shit localization out there this is an odd thing to concern yourself with.You people say this every-time. There's always a worse translation that we have to focus on INSTEAD as opposed to just pointing out both. So annoying
>>740648937>find the japanese script and throw it into google translate or deepl and see how shit it isYet it's much better than your garbage localizations.The audience can figure it out, we always figured it out even when we were first exposed to highly literal translations as children. You don't have to make it sounds like it comes from the mouth of a Current Year Californian
>>740660939straight up bullshit she uses normal feminine speechif anything she sounds too normal like a hysterical little girl which is another thing that JP fans used for the rinoa = ultimecia theory
>>740664028People understand better than you think they do, and you are not as smart as you think you are. Your localizations are garbage and politically-moitvated.
>>740676063>first exposed to highly literal translations as childrenYou mean translations that arbitrarily cut out words, phrases and even entire sentences for "reasons". So literal. So direct.
>>740675603Based based based
>>740664948>>This is the world of snow, White Snow village, Enjoy the beautiful glittering world.This is not nonsense. Maybe you should actually learn English
>>740676468What kind of little girls says >完全なる時間A lot of little girls actual but they're hags in disguise.
>>740647784Total Localizer Death.
>>740676664You're deflecting. I don't want any shit cut out. I'm saying when a game had a literal or even rocky translation, we were fine with it and we understood it. It's infinitely better than localizer slop.
>>740677102That's after she switches into "boss mode" but when you first confront her she talks 100% normal
>>740677462Aside from the fact that those "literal" translations were localizer slop, it was not fine. You got a butchered version.
>>740674120
>>740677102you can't juts drop 圧縮 (compression) man
>>740674120She and Selphie are built for black Seed...mercenaries.
>>740642916I want her to shout at me.
>>740671360Important establishing scene for Squall anyway, who feels let down by authority figures in his life acting either incompetently or inappropriately, coupled with Squall dealing with the Westermarck effect but not actually understanding why he feels that way towards her
>>740673441What exactly would happen if i fucked her up the ass?
>>740688485Lots of protests followed by lots of moaning after you've got it in
>>740678251>You got a butchered version.Still less butchered than localizer slop, and you're still missing the fucking point on purpose. I'm not saying those translations never cut anything else. I'm saying a literal translation is fine. You don't need to swoop in and "save us" from it like some condescending fuckwitted narcissist. You're inventing a need for yourself that doesn't exist, and you're inventing it in the name of personal egotism, to justify taking ridiculous creative liberties.
>>740689290>never cut anything elsenever cut anything out*
>>740653860>PLUS THE DETAILS, IDIOT!EXPLAIN!
>>740688837BTFO
>>740690202Actually, she's saying>More details, moron!As in give him more details
What the localization did to Ultimecia pissed me off.They wrote her lines, and didn't even include anything clever.In the original she is shown to be resentful, to be purposely playing an act of the evil sorceress, to be theatrical referencing dancing and so on (which is why in the FMV the crowd starts to dance like Michael Jackson), to reference dreams and delusions giving her this dreamy quality like an entity from a dream or another time, and so on. Then in the final fight she stops talking like that and starts talking like a robot mentioning things like algorithim, compression, and so on.All of this is ignored by the localization team.
So has anyone done a kind of de- or re-localization that fixes all of these issues, and tells the real story of FF8 in English?
>>740689290You're trying to say old translators were better, when really it's the same localizer slop. Same rewrites, same censorship, same basic Japanese comprehension errors. The localizer clique is legitimately brain damaged. They're too inept to do their jobs so when they encounter something they don't understand they fuck it up. And when they fuck up they have two excuses>It's a localization not a translation>That's the literal, japanese is just dryAt some point the former excuse is going to become untenable(it already is but they pretend it's not), so they're going to switch to the latter, claiming it's a return to form while doing the exact same shit.
>>740692049What's worse is that in Japanese there is a part where she says "Ultimate Fantasy", which is almost a title drop, and it is so cool, but the localization did nothing with it.
>>740692642In order for that to happen the Japanese->English scene for media would need a factory reset. The culture of overwriting someone else's work is so deeply ingrained it affects professional and hobby translations.
I'm a hardcore fan with FF8, so many times I would even try to escape reality with lucid dreaming, I would be in Balamb Garden where I would often train with Zell in the training center and help Selphie with the Garden Festival, but one day as I was talking to Selphie, we went to my dormitory for a private talk. She immediately said, "You know you could live with us forever.." I gave her a confused look and she continued, "We understand that you live on earth and you REALLY wish to live here". I then said "How..How did you know?" She then giggled and said "Because we've been watching you, silly!"This was a dream come true and I almost cried right there. She then said, "I talked with Headmaster Cid and he agreed that you would be PERFECT for SeeD, you just have to do...one thing". She then held my hand and looked deep into my eyes and said "...You have to kill yourself for the transfer to work correctly." I then gave her some questions, "How long do I have before the deal expires?" She then said "Cid said 3 months.." I added by saying "What's the most painless way?..." She giggled again, "Suicide will require pain buuut...if you want it quick...Get a gun and a nice shot to the head works.I then agreed and she gave me a kiss on the forehead, "I know this will be tough but once it's over and done, you'll get to live here!" I then woke up and this was last week and i purchased a gun. I might actually kill myself because that dream just felt too real to be fake and my life isn't doing so grand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qMZ08Sd7JQ
>>740649293You're a trannylator? kiil yourself
>>740672794>>740671360
She likes trains
>>740642916tired of people shitting on 8 when it still has a touching story with its "bad dub" and especially when people talk shit about best girl, besides selphie. RAGE *kicks you directly in the shin bone*
>>740642916Why do I never see porn of this character she is literally hotter than Tifa
>>740688675Imagine she doesn't like anal because it makes her gassy... And her belly starts to bloat...
>>740654773>Crescent Wish -> Islam StarThat's funny, I know of English localizations obscuring references to Islam in Final Fantasy VI (changed an esper from "Jihad" to "Crusader" (SNES) and then Doomsday in both Japanese and English (Pixel Remaster) ) and the Doomsday spell in Final Fantasy IX changed from "Jihad" to "Doomsday" in English, but this is like the first time I hear of a translation ADDING thatHeard the French FFIX changed "Zidane" to something like "Djidane" to avoid sounding like the footballer name which is a choice for sure considering FFVIIII always heard that their French translations improved massively after FFVII French (apparently so bad and by Sony that the localization team used pseudonyms) but VIII doesn't sound like much of an improvement
>>740642916She is. That's her charm point. Short sentences are cute.Then busts out the video essay format when she tries to talk some sense into seifer. it's kino.
>>740666098its fun to dream
>>740697169Anal doesn't give you gas silly
>>740697568It shakes up her insides...Let me have my depraved fantasy...I want her to fart on my cock while it's still inside her rectum...
>>740697568H-how do you know...?
>>740697745Logic, Gas appears due to digestion, granted anal might make it harder to keep the gasses in so to speak but it will not create more gas in the "system". But of course i might be totally wrongt. 40yo virgin
>>740697115PEOPLEGAY
>>740697115Fairly small role from what I remember (haven't played the game in 15+ years) and VIII is probably one of the least popular of the mainline Final Fantasy games
>>740697170>Heard the French FFIX changed "Zidane" to something like "Djidane"He just won the World Cup and was really, really popular at the time. Imagine if a character in a modern day game was named Ishowspeed or something.>VIII doesn't sound like much of an improvementIt is, compared to VII.Also, they added another reference to islamic/arab culture: they changed Righty's name to Fatima, referencing the Hand of Fatima thing in Moroccan culture. They also changed Lefty's name to Gangrène and Vysage's to Cariotide (Caryotid). I think another item or magic was also changed to Fatima but im not sure.
>>740692992>You're trying to say old translators were betterI'm trying to say accurate translation is fine. It doesn't need to be "fixed".I know a lot of shit was cut or made up for older games, but I've also played games where, to my knowledge, that isn't the case, and I've played fan translations, etc
FF8 doomtrain is called Devil Thomas in Japanese. Yes that Thomas.DURR WHY DID THEY LOCALIZE IT AND NOT KEEP DA NAME IZ NOT FAIIFFFFULL AIGH IT CANT BE HELPED....
>>740697170Regarding VII, the french translation is borderline incomprehensible, it absolutely ruins the story and characters. Thankfully, a re-translation mod was released a couple of years ago for the Steam and PS1 versions
>>740697170>changed an esper from "Jihad" to "Crusader"Reminds me of Bleach where the "Royal Guard" of the Quincy where actually called the Schutzstaffel in the Japanese version.
>>740692642lmaoby all means someone make a fan translation so i can laugh at how bad it is like the aai2 fan translation
>>740700424>Doomtrain's Japanese name is Glasya-Labolas. In demonology, Glasya-Labolas is derived from one of Goetia's demons, the mighty President of Hell who commands thirty-six legions of demons. He is depicted as a dog with the wings of a griffin. He is mentioned in the 17th century Grimoire, The Lesser Key of Solomon.You fucking liar, you fucking piece of shit, you fucking snake
Everytime a game or anime gets a "more faithful" translation it just means they throw away a well done localization and revert to direct machine translation.Its why Dragon Ball Z Kai and Super have such garbage scripts
>>740700424>IT CANT BE HELPED....Completely legitimate phrase in English.
>>740700835its his name in the debug, not the actual game
>>740692642Learn German. The German translation is probably considered the most faithfull
>Kadabra of Pokemon is named ユンゲラー in JPz literally Uri Gellermaycke mai twanswashuns faifffullll
>>740700913At least we got the OVER 9000 meme
>>740701021not in every other sentence it isnt
>>740701034No it isn't.
When are we hanging lolcalizers not in minecraft?
>>740700835>>740700424Since we're talking about the Girlriends name changes:Pandemona. Its Japanese Name is Pandemonium (パンデモニウム, Pandemoniumu). The capital of Hell in John Milton’s epic poem Paradise Lost.Diablos. Its Japanese Name is Diabolos (ディアボロス, Diaborosu). The Greek word for "Devil" or "Slanderer."The Brothers (Minotaur & Sacred). The Big Brother in Japanese is called Minotauros. The Little Brother in Japanese, his name is Seku (セク), a shortened reference to Sekhmet.Cactuar. Its Japanese Name is Sabotender (サボテンダー, Sabotendā). A Japanese pun combining saboten (cactus) and the English word "pretender." However, this change was actually a franchise standard rather than an FF8-specific oneLot of the changes are due to character limit and references to demonology.
>>740701724KEK
This is...So, it was you..Yet you you..I wont forgive you (cue shocked face lilr this was the sickeest burn ever)it cant be helped...set x ablazeLike hell!You bastard!Go back and watch some of these notE3 jap trailers like wo long 2 or onimusha and xount how often you hear these phrases. They do direct like some you fags want. Which is why people think japanese games have bad writing, bad dubs, people dont like anime or jrpgs, etcits a lot to do with shitty direcr translation, and also dumbass jap devs micromanaging the script and voice cast/direction despite not understanding english. a lot of the english dub actors in japanese games or anime are not as bad as they seem, their hands are tied by incompetent jap devs and incompetent translators giving them fuck all to work with.nintendo direvr narration is always the most awkward direct shit ive ever heard, but i guess people who dont understand japanese may not notice
>>740701571>2+2=3ok
>>740642969Pretty sure she's intended to be chuunibyou so basically autistic anyway.
Any of you fuckers criticizing localization, go out right now and try to translate anything JP to EN and share it. Until then shut the fuck up
>>740700913>la luz extinguido thinks his DBZ dub was good
>>740702871learn english before we start talking japanese
Direct translation fags think language works like Al Bhed where its just different sounds for the same words, grammar, etc lmao
>>740703532Holy fuck, this thread really made you very upset, huh? FF troonlation defenders are the most mentally ill posters out there.
>>740703718You could almost say... This guy are sick.
>>740703718>Ms Ryukku, I must go pray to the prayer child so I can receive the summoned beast for my trip to defeat SinSounds like youre the mad one, making 180 posts between mine and not a single good argument
>>740703421You're pitch black.
>>740703718>troonlationFirst of all, your a retard just by using such ass memespeak. Second, you choose one of the best localizations to go on your retarded localization rants when theres so much actual dogshit out there you could be mad about.Translate and show your work or shup up.
>>740702196>it cant be helped>Like hell!>You bastard!Normal English phrases.>I wont forgive you (cue shocked face lilr this was the sickeest burn ever)>...set x ablazePerfectly acceptable. There's no problem with them.>This is...>So, it was you..>Yet you you..The trailing off/omitting is a little awkward in English but who cares? It's recognizable as being "Japanese-y" but why is that a problem?They're Japanese works. They don't need to sound like it came from the mouths or keyboards of Californian zoomers.I'm beginning to think localizers and localizer apologists are just anti-Japanese, and that's what motivates them to erase all cultural and language quirks.I am my friends grew up with games that used all these phrases and we didn't spontaneously combust or whine that it was "clunky" or whatever the fuck.If kids can understand it just fine, why can't you?
>>740704506>i dont understand japanese, localizaton,writing, or anything at all but i must do the typical greentext every line and say some meme buzzword or stupid shit so i can feel like i did somethingand this is why the internet gets old. every dumbass teenager with a keyboard thinks their uneducated opinion matters
>>740702689>you aren't fluent in Japanese so I can insert whatever stupid bullshit I like and you're not allowed to say anything!I'm not a surgeon, but I don't need to be able to perform open heart surgery to know that amputating a foot instead means the surgeon did a bad fucking job
>>740704454>one of the best localizationsFF translation work has always been comically bad. From the "attack when its tail is up!" to the post Vagrant Story era I'm sure you're such a fan of, with Alexander O. Smith's ye olde butchery. Of all the dogshit out there, FF might actually be worse than DQ. It's just less talked about because of the mentally ill like yourself who have to defend Woolsey tier slop because you grew up with it.
>>740703532>Direct translation fags think language works like Al Bhed where its just different sounds for the same words, grammar, etc lmaoNo they don't. The only way you can defend your vandalism is to pretend everyone else is a moron.In reality, the moron is you, and every arrogant-but-incompetent localizer like you.
>>740662685what the fuck man>>740663512jej
>>740704231>deliberately exaggerates the most absurd and hyperliteral example possible, instead of just doing a faithful fucking job like people wantAnd here you are, pretending not to understand again. Funny how you do that so often.
>they localized his name as Squall instead of Sukoorufucking troonslators game is ruined
>>740704885Reminder that the original plan was to have an affinity system with the 3 girls and you could choose who Squall ended up with. Life is full of suffering.
>>740705361>Reminder that the original plan was to have an affinity system with the 3 girls and you could choose who Squall ended up with. Life is full of suffering.FUCK YOU NOMARUAAAA
>>740704774If you're so educated why do you do such an abysmal fucking job? You should be embarrassed.>i must do the typical greentext every line You gave individual examples, fuckwit, and I was being diligent by dividing them into what's perfectly natural and what's less natural, but still fine.I did not use a single buzzword.If you had even the hint of a fucking argument you wouldn't resort to such rampant dishonesty.You know your position is indefensible. That's why you just act like a smug cunt every chance you get.But sadly for you, acting smug doesn't make you correct and it doesn't change how utterly atrocious you are at your job.You will be replaced by AI. Normally I would be sad to say that, but when you and your cabal insist in maliciously and arrogantly doing the worst job you possibly can, your imminent replacement is extremely deserved. I will celebrate.
>>740704506>I'm beginning to think localizers and localizer apologists are just anti-Japanese, and that's what motivates them to erase all cultural and language quirks.Close. Its because in general there was little oversight from the japanese side (language barrier) so localisation was defacto just another platform for political activism and it had no standards meaning anyone who could pretend to know japanese could do. It went on like this for decades.However machine translation is now good enough that the language barriers are dropping, meaning there is increasing oversight and growing awareness from the japanese side that a lot of eigo translators are literally larping faggot commie retard trannies that unironically just rewrite text.Furthermore since people are becoming more aware of just how scumfucky localisers are, reliance on machine translation is also growing, because people would rather have a slightly less accurate translation then the fanfiction of some deranged fat fuck with dyed hair.Localisation in general is just a mind boggling concept that degrades everything it touches.-It assumes the target audience is so insular, retarded and ignorant that foreign concepts are completely and permanently incomprehensible forever. (Basically, the customer is a retard).-It devalues the producer side and forces more cost on them to hire localisation teams (thanks to an incestuous HR level connection between overseas distributors and whatnot whom have absolutely no stake in either the success of the product, the satisfaction of the customer or the artistic value of anything in question).-It degrades said artistic value of the product and also robs the customer of appreciating the original form of whatever is in question, or the intent behind it, because they never actually get to experience it. Only an approximation of it, in the opinion of someone very opinionated, whom has already been paid and has no stake in quality.
>>740705361What about Edea?
>>740704774>y-you don't understand Japanese!This is a deflection, because there is no Japanese in your post. You listed translated phrases. Everyone who grew up speaking English (unlike you, it seems) is capable of understanding what sounds natural in their native language.>y-you don't understand localization or writing!You don't understand localization or writing, which is the point being made.
>>740706234Imagine her being wet to see grown up Squall again
>>740705878>-It assumes the target audience is so insular, retarded and ignorant that foreign concepts are completely and permanently incomprehensible forever. (Basically, the customer is a retard).This is a point that doesn't get made often enough. This attitude is the crux of the issue, combined with the arrogance that leads them to think that they know better than both customer and creator.>-It degrades said artistic value of the product and also robs the customer of appreciating the original form of whatever is in question, or the intent behind it, because they never actually get to experience it. Only an approximation of it, in the opinion of someone very opinionated, whom has already been paid and has no stake in quality.I was saying this about remakes earlier, but we don't need extra layers of "interpretation" between us and a work. That just muddies everything and is almost universally shit. Something is meant to be interpreted directly by the audience, and translation needs to facilitate that interaction, not seek to shape it.>However machine translation is now good enough that the language barriers are dropping, meaning there is increasing oversight and growing awareness from the japanese side that a lot of eigo translators are literally larping faggot commie retard trannies that unironically just rewrite text.The fallout from this can't come quickly enough.I don't have anything else to add, but good post.
>>740705361FF8's themes work better with a sole heroine, despite the execution not always hitting the mark, but Quistis and Selphie should have gotten more than they got.The biggest mistake was keeping quite a few character scenes they did have dependent on overall meaningless choices. It's nice to see different characters react to different circumstances depending on your choice but missing something like >>740690284 when Quistis' development is already so thin isn't great.In an alternative take on FF8's world it might have been cool to be doing SeeD missions and having the related things like political/global intrigue, Gardens and Squall's rising through the ranks be the focus. Choosing what kind of teams you build, how you take on missions and who you take where would be better to express choose-your-own-heroine, as opposed to fighting fate and the big bad type of story.
>>740650224>a chud is an internet racist who sends death threats for funSo a thing that doesn't existReminder not a single death threat has ever been produced from anyone who ever claimed to receive them
>>740662607That's pretty much the tragedy of her character. We don't even know if the future she did anything wrong before she was hunted by SeeD as she was foretold to destroy the future and compress time and that would mean that SeeD (and the general population) would view sorceresses with great fear and hatred. She is one of the best written villains of the series - she has the humane motives for doing what she does - and falls right back into Final Fantasy VIII's theme of how war warps up and twists innocent souls into killing machines for the purpose of survival.
>>740708482>Reminder not a single death threat has ever been produced from anyone who ever claimed to receive themThat's not true, anon. Some of them have been caught sending themselves death threats, so it's inaccurate to say they never produced any.
>>740650109So why aren't you a translator?Why is it that people who are knowledgeable and care about the subject matter and medium do absolutely nothing to help it or change it and instead just flex to random nobodies on the internet in complaint of the people who are doing the job YOU should be doing?
>>740662685what the fuck is this storyboarding
>>740664495Yeah, character motivations were very much driven by traumas, a common trope from 90s japanese vydia. I know people like to compare Evangelion to Xenogears, but I always felt that Final Fantasy VIII connects better to it when it comes to themes of children orphaned by war being molded into soldiers to enact the same violence that brought them to that state irregardless of their awareness or will much better.
>>740708828>We don't even know if the future she did anything wrongIt'd have to be implication of the world in her time not looking all that great that she must have subjugated/destroyed everything. With how obsessed she is with keeping herself safe that she would warp the universe it's hard to suggest she's just been holed up in her ethically constructed castle and not harming anyone in her time. It'd be interesting to know how they might have detailed that part of her if they'd been able to flesh everything out some more.
>>740643757>but with so much shit localization out there this is an odd thing to concern yourself with.why? how about we just go over every missed nuance?
>>740709538>Evangelion to Xenogears, but I always felt that Final Fantasy VIII connects better to it when it comes to themes of children orphaned by war being molded into soldiers to enact the same violence that brought them to that state irregardless of their awareness or will much better.Evangelion is about a secret cabal of jews using alien corpses to turn people into goo. It has nothing to do with war, soldiers, human violence or any of that. The military fights kaiju, it doesn't commit atrocities against civilians. The children are traumatized by their parents, not by "war".
>>740705878ENGLISH TRANSLATION:>Edea: "...Lowlifes. ...Shameless filthy wretches. How you celebrate my ascension with such joy. Hailing the very one you have condemned for generations. Have you no shame? What happened to the evil, ruthless sorceress from your fantasies? The cold-blooded tyrant that slaughtered countless men and destroyed many nations? Where is she now? She stands before your very eyes to become your new ruler. HAHAHAHAHA.">President Deling: (...?)>Edea: "A new era has just begun.">President Deling: "E-Edea... Are you alright...? Ede...!">[Edea outstretches her hand and Vinzer is stricken by something.]>Edea: "This is reality. No one can help you. Sit back and enjoy the show.">[The crowd cheers for Edea's speech; she tosses Deling aside.]>Edea: "Rest assured, you fools. Your time will come. This is only the beginning. Let us start a new reign of terror. I will let you live a fantasy beyond your imagination."JAPANESE >イデア (Edea):「……臭い。……薄汚れた愚か者ども。古来より我々魔女は幻想の中に生きてきた。おまえたちが生み出した愚かな幻想だ。恐ろしげな衣装を身にまとい残酷な儀式で善良な人間を呪い殺す魔女。 無慈悲な魔法で緑の野を焼き払い温かい故郷を凍てつかせる恐ろしい魔女。……くだらない」>(……?)>イデア (Edea):「その幻想の中の恐ろしい魔女がガルバディアの味方になると知りおまえたちは安堵の吐息か?幻想に幻想を重ねて夢を見ているのは誰だ?」>デリング大統領 (President Deling):「イ、イデア……いったい何を……。イデ……!」>イデア (Edea):「現実は優しくない。現実はまったく優しくない。ならば、愚か者、おまえたち!こうするしかない。みずからの幻想に逃げ込め!私はその幻想の世界でおまえたちのために舞い続けよう! 私は恐怖をもたらす魔女として未来永劫舞い続けよう!おまえたちと私。ともに創り出す究極のファンタジー。その中では生も死も甘美な夢。魔女は幻想とともに永遠に! 魔女のしもべたるガルバディアも永遠に!>イデア (Edea): 魔女には生け贄(いけにえ)と残酷な儀式が必要らしい」
>>740697170>>740654773they changed doomtrain to helltrain which is odd given that neither namespeaks to the average french speaker anyway
>>740642916How old is she supposed to be?
>>740709538.... I don't think you actually watched Evangelion. You know it has giant robots, and you heard the protags were traumatized children, then you made up the entire rest of the plot in your head based on those.
>>740710715it's a japanese game so probably 15 at most
>>740642916>>740652016>>740673252>>740673441>>740688485ORGASM
>>740710715It's too late, you already had a lewd thought about her. The FBI are headed to your location as we type. You fucking sicko.
>>740708968NTA, but nepotism and gatekeeping
>>740664948white snow being in english could also be meant to sound exotic/foreign.so saying white snow village in english wouldn't have the same effect as the jp.
>>740711468You can just make your own translation company and offer your services directly. Do you really think you have to join some corpo cult to work?
>>740709961Yes, we know she ended up subjugating and destroying the future using her powers but it's never clear if this was done before SeeD hunted and persecuted her and the japanese translation from her speech as Edea highly suggests that the disdain and hatred displayed by others because of the fantasy she represented in their minds might have pushed her to embrace and play the role of Ultimecia, perhaps even renaming herself after the tales of the events that would come to pass written by the SeeDs from the past that had defeated her many years before. Ultimania had one last Selphie diary public entry that confirms that Ultimecia was public knowledge by the end of the game.
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>>740666405That's just how BC functioned. It started with four characters and added a new pair during updates and gave them a "Gi, I'm me. Everything I say is colored by my obsession with X." Shuriken and Nunchaku weren't even the last pair. Shuriken became Cissnei, because Tabata liked her the best.
>>740712387If she was able to subjugate the world in the future, then that means either SeeD did not exist anymore, or they were not powerful enough to stop her from conquering. If so, where did any prediction/prophecy of SeeD defeating her even come from, and why would she believe it? Further, if there were no SeeD around in her present that could defeat her, by what reason would she believe one would come from the past to kill her instead of be born in the future after she has conquered? And if she already knew that one would come from the past, why would she then willingly open the doorway for them to come through straight to her to do it?
>>740710789The protagonists are nothing but tools to fight a war about Angels. Sure, the trauma steems from the abuse and neglect from their parents but the series hints several times that had humanity not being fighting Angels at the brink of extinction, those children (and those close to them) would have grown differently. They are a byproduct of all this violence and war that humanity has to endure if it wants to live.
I am wondering how Ultimecia aka Rinoa speaks.
>>740711634>You can just make your own translation company and offer your services directly.And I am sure my services would be purchased without any industry connections.
>>740713089There is no "war" with Angels, any more than there is a "war" with Godzilla. War is a Human vs Human conflict and the trauma comes from Humans inflicting horrors upon their fellow man, not from alien or incidental natural catastrophes. The entire monster / robot story is just set dressing and is not the cause of any of the actual problems with the characters, all of their issues stem directly from each other and would exist regardless of any monster attacks or end of the world shenanigans. That's the whole point. People cause their own problems and problems for each other, then blame it on the world around them.
>>740713336Yes, especially from smaller Japanese studios. Why do you think this is untrue? Kadokawa has been hiring translation companies for their manga that are literally run out of the backs of comic book stores in Britain for their latest releases. They care about price more than anything.
>>740710230My attempt:>Edea: "...It reeks. ...You filthy fools. Since time immemorial, we Sorceresses have lived within an illusion. A foolish illusion of your own making. The dreaded Sorceress, clad in terrifying garb, who curses the innocent to death in cruel rituals. The wicked Sorceress, who burns green fields to ash and freezes warm homes to ice with merciless magic. ...How absurd.">(...)>Edea: "And now that the terrifying Sorceress of your illusions has become Galbadia's ally, do you breathe a sigh of relief? Who is the one lost in a dream, layering delusion upon delusion?">President Deling: "E-Edea... what on earth... Ede—!">Edea: "Reality is not kind. Reality is not kind at all. And so, you fools! You leave yourselves but one choice. Flee into your own delusions! I shall dance for you within that world of illusion! I shall dance for all eternity as the So, the harbinger of terror! You and I. Together, we shall create the ultimate fantasy. Within it, both life and death are but a sweet dream. Forever live the Sorceress and the illusion! Forever live Galbadia, servant to the Sorceress!">Edea: It seems a Sorceress is in need of a sacrifice, and a cruel ritual."I fucking love this speech.
>>740713052She has no reason not believe it. Remember that Ultimecia cannot compress time on her own, she needs Ellone and Ellone does not exist in her future time. All she knows is that she is fated to be defeated by a SeeD (she acknowledges that much when she sets her eyes on Squall the second time they meet) and as long as Ellone exists "somwhere", just as Ultimecia can travel to the past, she has no way of knowing they cannot travel to the future. As for how the general population, SeeD and Ultimecia would know about all that.. well Selphie seals the deal when she writes that public entry in her diary (the one we can access in-game at Balamb computers) and ironically she questions if perhaps the reason why Ultimecia wasn't trying to compress time wasn't just to survive (which without that piece of information that gets passed down to the future, Ultimecia would have never known she was at risk - since like you said, she was powerful enough to dominate her future).
A ff8r would be kino
>>740714120Reminder:>Rinoa: リノア「…やさしくない。やさしくない!」>Edea (Ultimecia): イデア「現実は優しくない。現実はまったく優しくない」Literal translation, or one closer to the original:>Rinoa: "...That's not kind. Not kind at all!">Edea (Ultimecia): "Reality is not kind. Reality is not kind at all."Instead, the official localization went with this:>Rinoa: "...You're mean. MEANY!!!">Edea (Ultimecia): "This is reality. No one can help you. Sit back and enjoy the show."It was all there, right from the beginning, dawg.
>>740712387I see what you meant. In my mind it would seem weird that SeeD would be so hung up that they'd hunt Ultimecia like that if she had not yet done anything. A lot can change in some several hundred or thousand years but if the idea was that SeeD would be so aggressive then it just seems extra strange that Squall could just up and decide to free Rinoa without it being shown that someone of either Cid/Edea or Garden had serious problems with that. Just because it isn't shown doesn't mean that isn't the case of course, but overall we're shown that while SeeD are taught to handle things properly they're also expected to think independently and fairly, to where saving the dog in Dollet is a mission bonus. It'd be against their foundation to simply persecute an innocent, even if a sorceress, just as much as it would be not dealing with a bad one.But it is hard to say with a SeeD that has gone to such a long amount of time.
>>740713519Are you fucking kidding me? Gendo only becomes neglectful and manipulative of Shinji because Yui had to sacrifice herself to ensure Shinji would have a world to live in. IIRC he (or was it Fuyutsuki?) acknowledges latter in the series that all would have different if Yui was still alive.
>>740714218I have a lot of ideas that could be explored for a remake but it would be probably be just a barebones job done by square
>>740714949That has nothing to do with a monster attack. If Yui died protecting Shinji from being hit by a car, it would be the same result. The problem being Gendo is a selfish piece of shit in any situation or reality. HE is the problem, not his circumstances. He caused the problems for Shinji, who in turn caused his own problems with others. Aliens and monsters and "war" are not needed for anything but to greenlight the show to sell toys.
>>740714751Fuck localizers
>>740715295Post them, so I can steal them for my FF8 At Home game
>>740713519Children piloting a warmachine that you can feel as if it is your own flesh, shooting guns at incomprehensible monsters while every second they waste risks said monster getting them maimed or killed, their fellow kid soldiers getting killed, actual people such as regular soldiers getting killed or their city full of people blown up is far beyond any threshold to say that, while Evangelion is about a lot of things, the effects of war and battle forced on children is one of them.
>>740714949Dude millions of people lose their loved ones to war. They don't generally abuse and neglect their surviving kids as a response, or try to destroy the entire Human race about it. That's a Gendo issue.
>>740714792Yeah, we don't know what happened between the present and future timeline but remember that it's not the first time humans and sorceresses have been at war against one another. One of the tutorial terminals hints at sorceresses concealing their powers because they fear repercussions of being known by the general population (hence the whole knight thing). I imagine distrust and apprehension would greatly increase if tales emerged that a sorceress in the future engulfed the world in chaos, destruction and nearly made the universe disappear, and people had no way of knowing when exactly that would happen. That level of dread and impending doom would probably make people do nasty things.
>>740715510There is more. There is a moment in the game in the Japanese where Ultimecia calls Seifer a "poor boy" and also a moment where Rinoa calls Seifer "poor Seifer".
>>740712387>it's never clear if this was done before SeeD hunted and persecuted her It can't have been before. SeeD was around first. Because of the time travel shenanigans, the organization was founded from the beginning specifically to kill Ultimecia. She had to learn pretty much straight from the cradle that this mercenary group had been building for ages just to get her and she was basically born to fight a war against them without even knowing fucking why. Squall was the real villain of the story, when you think about it, because he gave the idea to found SeeD to Edea.
>>740715495>>740715964But it is a consequence of war, is it not? War as theme just explores the darker corners of human psyche and actions, you can replace these stories with more mundane ones driven by other forms of personal trauma to get the same point across but it's more staggering to use war and its destructive and violent consequents because it reaches out everyone with the same degree of intensity albeit each individual will be absorb that trauma differently. Evangelion's world is tailored for this and the anime hammers that point on the audience's head several times - it all steems from humanity desperately clinging to survival. Sure, some characters are assholes, but had circumstances been different, wouldn't things be better, happier, more normal?
>>740716624>That level of dread and impending doom would probably make people do nasty things. That does make it an important point whether the events concerning Ultimecia are common knowledge that you raised, and is certainly something to consider. But while SeeD are also only human I'd still make the distinction between them and the general populace.All of the things you mentioned could have reached another boiling point in the general population in Ultimecia's time but if SeeD as an institution existed even somewhat as they do now I'd half expect them to try and protect Ultimecia from the mob by dropping her on a white ship rather than being on the side hunting her without asking questions.To me it would have to be that SeeD and their mission on paper even existing at a conceptual level is what triggers Ultimecia's disdain for them, rather than anything they actually did. Even them doing nothing while she was in fact persecuted by others, would still be a valid mark against them in that sense.Galbadia Garden being coopted is another example to say that anything is possible really but then that just opens up the question of defining what it means for someone or something to be SeeD and whether Ultimecia actually really cared about making the distinction.
>>740645395nothing outside of the original game matters or counts.
>>740717140>Squall was the real villain of the story, when you think about it, because he gave the idea to found SeeD to Edea.Yup, pretty much this. But you can't even blame him because Squall too, is a victim of war waged between humans and sorceresses. If Laguna had not been not been in Esthar fighting Adel to free humanity from her tyranny, Squall would have not been orphaned and abandoned and he would have had a normal uprising like most kids, instead of becoming a cold-blooded mercenary that follows orders and is incapable of understanding his foe. Maybe that "other" Squall would have been truly capable of changing history.
>>740714792The key idea is that it is known in her time that Ultimecia is the last living sorceress, so she would likely be hunted even if she personally didn't do anything wrong just to finally rid the world of them. Living in fear, she finds a way to travel to the past via junction magic and in doing so she concocts a plan to compress all time into one spot. That is kind of the whole theme - it doesn't matter if she is actually evil or not, fate has decided that she gets hunted and thus will fight to protect herself. Fate and how you can't escape it is the entire point of the game.
does the Succession mod change anything significantly?
>>740642916That's crazy.
>>740718746That's a good point you bring up, it is possible that SeeD (or factions within SeeD) did acknowledge and know that protecting Ultimecia was more important that hunting her down and it's not clear which part started the aggression. Her speech in Deling City also portrays a lot loathe towards the general population, it could that she was just the target of hate and violence and before SeeD could have done anything, they were forced to take action and attempt to stop her. It's never clear how events are set in motion in Ultimecia's story but her dialogue suggests she was very alone in her pursuit for survival, often finding companionship in objects given life.
All this talk about localization damage, still no real effort (with AI or not, don't care) to fix game scripts. It's all epic edits in photoshop. What's the point? I hate stupid translations just like anybody else but there's no progress here. Even machine translated porn games put more effort than these threads.
>>740719319Well, that was the point being made by anon, that technically we don't know who shot first, and while it doesn't necessarily matter for the themes the game is portraying, as you put well, it's interesting to think about how the particulars would have went down and why.Though Ultimecia's lack of obvious development in being the big bad is also a common sentiment and if you leave the possibility of a remake on the table, thinking about this also plays into what kind of things we'd want to see or not see about her.
>>740720743There's some retranslation projects in other languages than english
>>740720743>>740719521not sure if that mod actually fix anything tho
>>740645525>NORGWhy was he so much bigger than anyone else of his kind?
>>740725474That mod is fanfiction applied to the english script. It isn't a restoration mod like, say, the Xenoblade 3 de-localization mod that floats in GBATemp which unlike the de-localization mod for Xenoblade 2 that just restores some names, actually goes deep into the script to remove the changes made out of the japanese version. Xeno3 might as well be a rewrite, but this is really common in Xenoblade.
>>740708968Because being a translator pays like garbage. Why would anyone who could actually be gaining money choose to starve instead?
>>740725772Most other yellow humanoid Shumi are 'regular'. They can evolve into all sorts of things , which includes Moomba's as well as 'elder' Shumi, of which NORG is also one, or something similar, though even then he is a particularly fat example.Because Shumi's evolutions are informed by their personality the idea is that he shows on the outside the greedy fat fuck that he is on the inside.Though the extent of his greed when it comes to Garden's finances is somewhat debatable, him being willing to just serve up Squall and friends to Galbadia no questions asked in order to curry their favor does show how little he cares for anything this isn't his own business and himself.
>>740702975rip Eden
>>740730152https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwXKXoQz7UE>Miss
>>740729803Reminder that they are the ancient Centra people that were altered by the Lunar Cry
