We made it onto the BBC bros.
What norwood level is this?
>>740647264nice
How do you justify demanding the right to play live service games for life without sounding like a shit eating chimp?
>>740647264>Chicago>DetroitTough call but I think Chicago is still worse.Enjoy those level assets Ross!
Ross always looks so funny in thumbnails like this. I swear he looks like he got lost and just randomly walked into a camera.
The tranny banany jannie auto deletes threads that mention Stop Pilling Lames So you can't put it in the op
>>740647512the laws that they're advocating don't apply to live service games, just multiplayer games that rely on servers
>>740647529kek, he does. Autism phenotype.
The shills have no argument any more. Ross is on main stream news when they said he would never be taken seriously. Now talk they can do is get the threads deleted by paying the jannies
>>740647512I gave them money to be able to play the video game.
>>7406473965A - 6
>>740647529so based...
>>740647264>campaign that tries to give the state full control of all video game IPs in perpetuity while still demanding the the original owners of those IPs retain full responsibility for maintaining their games without any revenue streamsThe UK loves their dystopian, life-ruining shit but SKG is ridiculous
>>740648437This whole thing started because companies were fraudulently claiming you owned those games in the first place.
>>740648437faggot
>>740648508>companies were fraudulently claiming you owned those games in the first place.When? Every ToS I've ever read says you have a license to access the software until they arbitrarily revoke it
>>740647512That's not how it's being framed, what they say instead is you should be able to have the means to play the games you have already bought without it being taken from you, there is no distinction between live service and not
>>740648608How would you lose the means to play a non-live service game?
>>740648597Ah-ah-ah! ToS that are only revealed after purchase? That's a paddlin'
>Ass: Blown
>>740647512Because they don't apply specifically to live-service slop.Any game that is linked to an updater can phone home and can be told to disable or remove features, potentially ransoming them for an additional cost.This is already being done with software outside of the games industry and pretty much the only regulating factor is coordinated public backlash with legal backing or large scale industry contracts dropping the company in question.>>740648437The UK aggressively shut their own version of this down.>>740648597Not enforceable.
>>740648723How's he doing these days?
Ross wonJannies lostGamers wonJews lost
>>740648437>UKThe UK is dystopian in a way that will never ever benefit the common person, they killed their petition and aren't in the EU so SKG is now dead in their realm. The EU is probably going to pass something and the US already did pass law spurred on by SKG.
>>740648638Godfall is a single-player game that requires internet connection to play. Once the developers decide to shut their servers down, you'll never play the game ever again.Plenty Ubisoft games do thisThere's also games that ping home once on startup, so if there's nothing to return that ping, the game won't function, so it's not necessarily always a constant connection that's required.
>>740647264Ross has the potential to be the next Anita Sarkeesian.He will redpill an entire new generation of gamers on the horrors of governmental regulation and politics intruding in video-games.This will lead to Thomas Massie or another libertarian being elected POTUS.I heard here first.
>>740649328retard
>>740649328This. Can you imagine the state holding companies responsible for their bad practices and defending consumer rights? Literal 1984 dystopia.
>>740648723>Rent: Free
>>740647529>got so lost he somehow wondered into an EU bureaucrat meeting
>>740647264>I need the government to permit me to mod a 10yo game>Something I can do at any time on my own and no one at all can stop meHow about fuck yourself bootlicking retard? If games "get killed" why can I just open the OG doom and still play skull tag? Fucking shit for brains I swear.
>>740649365You're the one typing down your credit card number and clicking Pay.
>>740647512There is no such thing as a live service game
>>740649568Wronghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_service_game
>>740647264VIDEO GAMES PLAYERS AREN'T 'JUST KIDS ANYMORE', SAYS ONE ADULT GAMING NUTThe industry you've never thought about since "Pac-Man" is actually making billions worldwide, analysts now say.-Peter O'Hanraoharahan, BBC News (2026)
you can't own a servicecheers
>>740649558They sold me a product which I now own. This is my right as the living man under natural law, and my rights shall be upheld.
>>740649603Games aren't a service
>>740649370You fucking lost AHAHAHA
>>740647264Having seen the "subtle" AGP threads on /v/, I'm pretty sure many of you have made it onto the BBC long before today.
>>740649673>which I now ownHallucinating contract clauses won't help your point, little bro.
>>740649657Peter next time you cross the road, don't bother looking
>>740649673You can't own digital media. You paid for ease, not ownership.
>>740649568True. All games which require internet validation or a continuous connection are bad regardless though
>>740649732>>740649790If I can own a book, I can own a game. The book publisher cannot come to my house to destroy my book, so the game publisher shouldn't be allowed to take my game away either.So it is.
>>740647264>another thread of paid off anons to shit up the thread with misinformation and bullshit because vidya companies fairly treating such an easily manipulated demographic as gamers is a nightmare scenario for them
>>740649797Not necessarily, it's just invasive DRM.
I don't care about your "rights".I don't care about the ToS. I don't care that a fool and his money are soon parted. I don't care about your principles. I don't care if the industry loses money. I don't care that it's a "license".You will properly advertise your game as either a product or service.You will make games that are stated to be products entirely playable without a connection to a central server.You will provide server hosting tools where necessary.You will state the minimum support period of your game.You will state what happens to the game at the end of the support period.You will give refunds in the event of a shutdown that occurred earlier than the stated period.This is not up for debate.
>>740647512>all this because Ubishit made a single-player racing game online only in 2014Now devs will have to refund the purchase or go to jail. Most people buy games digitally so it's not fucking hard.
>>740650119You will get a job.
>>740648841Unironically dead.
>>740647264Wait, will this apply to gacha games? Whenever one goes down you always see people begging for an offline mode.
>SKG thread>exact same "arguments">exact same posts misrepresenting the initiative>exact same strawmans>and probably exact same images will be posted tooIt's so tiresomedid they really hire indians to monitor /v/ for SKG threads 24/7 or is it just americans being corpo cocksuckers again?
>>740647264Nice that the BBC gave him a fair shake>>740647515Always great to see the superiority of Chicago making people seethe>>740649328>Reddit frog>Shit takeClassic combo
>>740647512I don't bother justifying myself to pajeets
>>740650435>superiorityAlways great to see the Windy City living up to its reputation. Congrats on figuring out how to make city blocks rectangular.
>>740648723He’s a millionaire at this point btw
Why are Americans so against consumer rights? Just the whole World Cup thing is ridiculous with banning referees and fans entering their country but they also despise the idea of owning things they buyIdgi
>>740649853Everyone agrees with you. When we buy a game, we want to be able to play it as long as we want it. If it's a game we play with others online, we want to be able to keep playing it as long as there are others wanting to. But the way to secure this is not through government. Gamers have enough power when choosing the games they purchase and companies they make business with. Why do you think Ubisoft is dying? Because games used their power to sink this shit company.There is not a single issue with the gaming industry that can't be solved with "voting with your wallet". Sure, you may have a list of things that "voting with your wallet" didn't solve. But the truth is that your opinion or desire was in the minority, or maybe it wasn't a problem for most gamers. Too bad.Or sometimes companies take too long to adjust to what consumers want. But if your alternative is expecting corrupt old boomers running the governement to fix it faster, you must be new to this world.
>>740647264Good. Ross was made for BBC. :^)
>>740650652>If it's a game we play with others online, we want to be able to keep playing it as long as there are others wanting to.I have a physical copy of Peter Jackson's King Kong movie tie-in game. I cannot play it, because the DRM on the disc wants to connect to a server that doesn't exist. This is a single-player game.I want the government to rape Ubisoft to death. I will not be stolen from.
>>740650714>I want the government to rape Ubisoft to death. I will not be stolen fromThen I'll vote to stop you, because I don't want the government to be used for this matter. See you at the crossroads.
>>740650628>>740650414They are all insane and go with the most braindead logic
>>740649558Do you think that a corporation should deny your access to their product? Like killswitching your processor or monitor when they want you to buy their new version?
>>740651062Yes. I made a conscious choice to purchase a limited license to use their product and feel deeply grateful for the time they gave me with it. The company doesn't owe me anything.
>>740647264why would anyone call their news agency "BBC"?
>>740650628a lot of them have deluded themselves into thinking its totally necessary for the economy to work, and for many they believe that one day they to can become rich enough that nothing matters, in other words it a massive case of fuck you I got mine (or I will get mine)
>>740651017I love it how you niggers always use the same "we shouldn't involve the govt in this".Okay, what's your alternative then? Just keep getting fucked over by corporations? >inb4 just vote with your walletThis is exactly what got us into this mess you incredible faggot
>>740650414Being against citizens seem to be part of the American core culture. They are proud of bad infrastructure and corpos making more money. The whole supply-demand thing. Whole FIFA thing and raising bus and train tickets while making it illegal to walk to the stadium. They had nine(9) years to fix all the shit but decided not to because it wouldn't bring profits to corporations. Like seriously look at this >>740651118>"limited license to use their product and feel deeply grateful for the time they gave me with it."Feeling GRATEFUL that you give money to corporations and that they rape you over and disable your access to stuff you pay for.Its hard to understand US culture.
>>740649328Sarkeesian is the reason America is bombing Iran right now. #FACT
Mold Man killed games forever
>>740651309>>inb4 just vote with your wallet>This is exactly what got us into this mess you incredible faggotnta but elaborate...>>740651314>making it illegal to walk to the stadium.What?
>>740647264That guy has to be the absolute worst figurehead imaginable fit this thing
>>740647264
>>740647512I don’t care if only retards buy live service games, because even retards deserve to be protected from being scammed.The only reason one would be happy with anything else is because they’re spiritual street shitters who see their fellow man as objects to exploit.
>>740651429British movies (BBC funded) are literally just boring dramas
>>740651552>BBC fundedBy extension, taxpayer funded.
>>740648437Having right to play games i bought is not dystopian shit. Literally all what companies need to do is to either remove always online requirement from sibgle player games and add dedicated servers to multiplayer games. Done and done. Conpanies have no need to pay for servers.
>>740651669West Ham FC is literally paid by the taxpayers.
>>740651382It's very simple1000 idiots will vote with their wallet in 1000 idiotic ways.Me ,the smert one, will vote smertly.So instead of having them vote with their wallet their stupid way I am gonna do it for them ,smertly, because i just know better and the goverment is gonna be the one that helps me do it.
>>740649558The average MIGAtard 2026
>>740651693regarding multiplayer games, whats stopping a company from releasing the game's source code so hobbyists could make dedicated servers for them? instead of shelving them forever for whatever reasons. since they're no longer making money from them, why not give back to the gamers who supported you.
>>740647264Ross went woke? Fuck
>>740648841Still streaming to thousands of viewers
>>740651382Also Nta, but the problem with vote with your wallet is the fact there are so many ways for one retard’s vote to count as far more than anyone else’s.Live service is deliberately predatory in this regard, so 10 people choosing to abstain can easily be drowned out by one moron emptying their own wallet out.
>>740649558Didn't CC companies caved in to some Australian feminist group?
>>740647512>Leave my multi-billion dollar company alone!
>>740651382>What?Yeah, it sounds as dumb as it is.There aren't proper pedestrian infrastructure to the Finals stadium and its illegal to walk next to the interstate. You are supposed to drive there or take bus or train. But they raised the bus and train ticket prices and the ticket prices in general to the game are fucking ridiculous.
>>740651747So true! We all know that normalfag redditor masses are very sensible and never support predatory practices and deeply care about not being fucked over by corporations.Truly, they are the smart ones here!
>>740650191Die nigger
>>740651967Supply and demand in work
>>740648437disingenuous faggot
>>740651849>Still streaming to thousands of botsfixed
>>740648437not a single part of your post was correct, bravo
>>740652020>suddenly reddit because you don't want to be raped by corporationsincredible goalpost shifting we got here buddy
And shills claimed this would fail
piratesoftware was right, this assburger nigger just wants to give power to the government to ruin video games
you guys make no fucking sense. do you want devs to just make all their game servers run indefinitely? it's delusional due to cost. you want them to release their server codebase? that's also delusional due to ownership rights. there's no angle where a game that's online-heavy can just continue to run forever, and nobody ever answers this. all this would lead to is either games being made with no online features, or they would all become a subscription. either scenario is worse than where we are, so i ask, what the FUCK are you doing?
>>740647264UK is a lost cause. Their government is bought and owned by tech corporations.
>>740650628https://www.aol.com/articles/fifa-world-cup-travelers-warned-093531000.htmlBasically a lot of American infrastructure is so optimized for car traffic, that pedestrian traffic is somewhere between difficult to impossible. We're really fucked when we're essentially ruled by the same oligarchic corporatism-aligned class Russia has been subservient to since 1991.
>>740650531Amazing how basic city engineering has become a lost art.Or the art of including alleys.
Beware of the>this does not help your cause>t.guy that hates you and your causeBad actors here.
>>740652095Its just fucked up when other countries made some public transport free for the finals even.But Americans want corpos to make money.I just don't understand the logic.
Do not forget that the video game industry would rather waste money lobbying and running disinformation campaigns than to invest that money into quality products that don't self-destruct after a month.Half of the posters in this thread are underpaid indians using arguments that have been discredited and will be discredited repeatedly by anyone with basic literary skills. Never let yourself be discouraged by corpo-niggers.
>>740652294Everyone is becoming a degrowth slopulist now, sad to see.
reminder that corporats have spammed LITERAL child pornography in these threads to get them bannedkill all corporats
>>740652271shut the fuck up, Jasonnobody likes you
>>740651118Holy based. I hope that corporations make every product in existence bad for no reason other than they are legally allowed to. Surely if I defend them I will get rich enough that it won't affect me too badly.
>>740652294people that do not play live service games want to see them outlawed so they don't care how or if it works
>>740652646Corpo shills trying to sink threads is the least of it. They are spending million to lobby against SKG in multiple countries.
>>740647512You first. How do you justify planned obsolence without sounding like a foreskin eating rabbi
>>740648608So do i get Vanguard Saga of Heroes and Matrix Online back if SKG succeeds?
>>740652646At least it's nice that they're being so obvious.
>>740652753To be fair.It isn't illegal, and people rarely even complain about it. Its just a way for them to make more money and secure their wealth.Imagine if there was someone who tried to turn your country communist, which would hurt your own monetary situation. Now, you could block it with disinformation, manipulation, lobbying, and generally attacking people and trying to deplatform them. Would you "play fair" or protect you and your family?
Why does the janny give a 3 day bans about talking about something so videogames related it's literally in the name?
>>740651967Just block off a single lane so people can walk to the stadium then.Why are Americans so fucking retarded all the time.
>>740652881No.
>>740653103The fuck is the point of the whole thing then? I paid for those so they should be available in playable state per SKG manifesto.
>>740653190Retroactive laws are extremely hard to pass. Consider it a safeguard for future games instead.
Why is vee filled with yurofaggots and socialists now?
>>740652998Anon. That would inconvenience car owners. Car travel is the most important thing you should protect and advocate for in US. That is why some people there see walking and stuff like trams "woke". It is why they have bulldozed millions of buildings, thousands of them being historical, to make car travel easier and faster and have more parking space in cities. Like many churches have been destroyed for car lanes.You need that as a context why Americans refuse to even such a temporary easy thing. It goes against their fundamental ideology. Just see the petrol price hike as well. People are "mad", but having to blame murican oil corpos who raised the prices just because of the Middle-East thing, despite it not affecting them at all, is going too far.
>>740650652Yeah free market capitalism has worked out so well in america like trickle-down economics. In reality these companies know they can get away with anything because the goycattle will slurp up whatever garbage they make anyway and their billionaire investors will reward them with more money to spend. "voting with your wallet" haven't changed shit for the better in the gaming industry it only influenced trends which is the reason we got in this mess in the first place so no, government regulation is the only way to fix this now no matter how much that makes you mutts seethe because these companies have grown too big to care about the consumers.
>>740653304What future games? Summer game fest just ended and it was all fucking slop not worth existing let alone preserving.
>>740650628Boils down to conservatives (same types that were repeating corpo talking points to be against SKGs during the EU debate) successfully brainwashing the greater public to believe anything that helps the working man at the expense of the wealthy is communism. Also the selfish 'I got mine, fuck you' mentality that's really permeated American culture over the past 50 years. Hell, you can see those shills in this very thread if anyone goes 'mum socialism'.There is some more good news, this time from California, whom conservatives despise for their moderate and liberal stances is pushing through SKG on their own. It even just passed one of the two necessary house legislators and shrugged pressure aka bribes, from the ESA which is the big corpo lobbying group for video games in America.https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/22330/stop-killing-games-movement-gains-momentum-california-assembly-passes-game-protection-billBefore the usual nay sayers claim this is just one state and it won't matter, EA and Activision Blizzard are both located in California, we will see an immediate Brussels effect if the bill successfully passes.Plus it's not like what is asked is impossible, even Nintendo proved you can have an offline version to an original always online mobile game like what they did with Animal Crossing Pocket Camp.
>>740650191What does a job have to do with media getting killed?Buying more of something isn't going to fix it from being destroyed, are you fucking stupid?
Bit late there, eh? The UK petition failed a year ago.
>>740653515Let me guess, you also can't understand why anyone would ask you how you'd feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning when you've had breakfast.
>>740648841His entire mod team quit, I haven't heard anything beyond that.
>>740652998metlife is on a 6-lane highway, you can't just block anything offthe setup is retarded and all the amenities should have been put on the same side of the highway, but they are still giving people good advice of "please don't try to run across a 200' wide road, you will die"new jersey is the worst state in the US, I would not live there even if you paid me 50k a year just to be a NEET in newark; it is basically everything third-worlders think the entirety of the US is (a concrete shithole full of fat, ugly retards)
>>740653670Still on the way in europe and california. Maybe when the big dick countries get it done, poor uk can finally have a spark of brain activity and copy them.
>>740653661>Plus it's not like what is asked is impossible, even Nintendo proved you can have an offline version to an original always online mobile game like what they did with Animal Crossing Pocket Camp.This is the fucking point I wish people understood.If Nintendo, the "evil and greedy company" does it voluntarily, then how on earth can't other companies do it? There is literally no fucking excuse.
>>740651927No, the feminist group was a convenient scapegoat for the CC companies to point at to justify making changes they already wanted to do. Anyone who thought they were able to bully Mastercard and Visa somehow are brain damaged.
>>740653789Could be worse. You could be inundated by fucking gyppos like in our Newark
>>740653789The problem is that USA had 9 FUCKING YEARS to prepare for it but they did nothing. They didn't even clean the shit river, a situation Britain had when they hosted and they cleaned it up and its now a very cool place.They could've built at least a bridge to there, or maybe not charge fucking $100 for train tickets. But oops thats communism if government owns public transit I wanna fucking kms its ridiculous.
>>740650531>>740650435youse guys get it.
>>740647572no they apply to live service gamesthats what The Crew was
>>740652378>AlleysCan cars drive through them easily? No?Then its pointless infrastructure.
>>740653816They’ll have no choice. If a regulation is set in the EU and California, it will be infeasible to preserve games in two massive markets and arbitrarily kill games in others
>>740652351Do foreigners really just wander the streets? Learn some manners and order. Streets are for cars. We take for granted how industrially superior the USA is.
Did somebody say BBC?
>>740651927>>740653834Also, the real mastermind behind that was Project 2025 since one of their leaders also controllers US government oversight of CC companies. And there's a secret recording of him admitting he wants a national ban on porn and violent video games.In a classic case of NOTICING, once that came out, and it was Gelbooru of all places that made the connection, all the threads complaining about CC companies stopped being spammed. Also Gelbooru got taken offline for a day, but that must have TOTALLY been a coincidence.
>>740650628Americans are second only to the Japanese for their love of corporate cock-inhaling.
When are gamers gonna learn that you cannot run to big brother to stop greedy kike companies and their dirty conniving practices?The problem is just gonna continue anyway
>>740654138Why do you pretend that government regulation doesn't exist?
>>740654004
>>740654134Isn't Japan like that due to America's post-WW2 influence on their culture?
>>740654203Pathetic and desperate
>>740654163I never said that, what I'm saying is the corpos will always find a loophole and the government legitimately doesn't care about them being dirty kikes unless they can profit from it and delete more basic freedoms
>>740654168Yes, it was meant as a joke.Tho genuine retardation, shitposting, and jokes are hard to tell apart these days.
>>740654292No, it's their love for order. Though japan also has pretty strong workers rights laws compared to the burgerland.
>>740654316Hammer and sickle is a good solution then if you believe that no matter what regulations you push forward, it doesn't matter.
>>740654138As opposed to what? Boycotting and voting with our wallets clearly doesn't work so should we just bend over and take it?
>>740650628>Why are Americans so against consumer rights?Retarded Libertarians that keep putting the cart before the horse.Anyone who rigidly sticks to ideology instead of just doing the best thing at the time is retarded in general. Other countries have other problems too because of the same type of person, in the US it manifests as 'muh freedom' faggots even though the founders would have preferred someone like Hitler over our current system
>>740647264You don't own the hotel room or the hotel for buying your stay in it, stop being an entitled cunt once in your life
>>740654313Don't talk about your mother like that, eceleb tranny
>>740654331Understandable, Poe's Law is always in full effect in this day and age.
>>740648723>>740648967>>740652271>>740647264
>>740654134At least the Japs get secure employment out of their corporate fellating and genuinely great workers rights laws. I can't even blame them for being soft on corporations when they actually benefit their employees to a great degree.We don't even have that as Americans. Our corporate cock-sucking is retarded and self-defeating. America has pissed all the gains it had from WW2 away in less than 70 years when it could've lasted for much longer with more investment in its people and its natural resources.
>>740647264>BBCWe all know what the Timmies are thinking when they see that word.
>>740654415The easy answer is you should take the lesser of two evils and not try and let the government treat you like a child and delete more freedoms in the name of stopping those heckin corporinos
It's always funny that people go "but muh developers" on /v/ when /v/ regularly shits on developers. Fuck the developers, I want my vidya.
>>740647264so who are the people constantly kwetching and handwringing against...consumer rights?
>>740654645I miss when BBC just meant "British Broadcasting Corporation" to me.
>>740654652Ah yes, because the lesser of two evils to let industries that had all the time in the world to self regulate to not actually do it.Keep in mind, I'm not advocating for governments either, because both have the same problem of "targeting lowest common denominator to get just enough people to make something common place" and "corruption and spite at the top to fuck over literally everyone else". Instead of seeing things in pure terms of "government" and "corporations", you should look at everyone as your enemy that you can use when it benefits you.
>>740654708Oy vey
Who cares about developers?
>>740654708>>740654138
>>740654708You dont own the game, get a grip
>>740654407Ah yes, because communists have always been obsessed with rule of law.
>>740654467When you reserve a hotel room you know full well how long the reservation holds so you pay the money knowing that after a predefined number of days you have to leave the room. When you buy a game you just have to hope that the publisher doesn't just pull the plug in a year invalidating your purchase. It was one of the points of SKG that consumers need to be properly informed about the nature of their purchase so they can make better decisions.
>>740654656That's the thing i don't get my vidiya out of skg, it does effectively nothing for me so you are all annoying faggots keeping it going to stick it to the corpos out of principle. Nobody in these threads ever named a single game he is genuinely looking forward for skg to save, while i can name heaps that skg won't affect in any capacity regardless if it passes or not.
>>740647512I don't play live service games, but I still don't like the idea of games being completely destroyed so that no one can play them anymore.
>>740648841He couldn't find the mana gem to save his dying channel.
>>740654870>i can name heaps that skg won't affect in any capacity regardless if it passes or not.Go ahead then.
>>740654808Owning the game changes nothing about me asking for continued access to something I paid for as long as I can preserve my copy of it.
>>740654870It's not so much games that will be saved, it will be for the ones I couldn't.Rip Dark Spore and shit ton of games killed by GFWL
>>740647264>All that media buzz>Nothing happened.Thor won. This whole movement was retarded and doomed from the start.
>>740654467>>740654842Don't bother, he's just a shitposter.
>>740654652If I let the gayming industry does whatever it wants, wouldn't they be the one that are governing whether I own a game or not?
>>740651160it predates your indian fetish by almost a century
>>740654652I'm not american so this "deleting more freedoms" doesn't affect me when the companies in question have used their freedoms to fuck over their customers in increasingly elaborate ways so the government stepping in and fucking them in the ass seems to be the better option but that's just my opinion.
>>740647264Why'd they use an edited photo? He's missing the mushrooms growing out of his head
But think of all the poor indie developers who make live service trash and MMOs!
>>740654842You can stay for an indeterminate period of time in a hotel if you want however the hotel can refuse you to stay any longer even though you want to keep staying in it
>>740654494Kneel when you speak to the one graciously delivering your only (you), peasant.
>>740654982I feel like the BBC meme wasn't even on 4chan until around the mid-2010s, I do remember a time when I could go here and not see it.
>>740654910Every closed down mmo under the sun for starters. From f2p korean slop to proper box+subscription ones, from lobby based mmolights to expansive sandboxes, none of them will be affected.
>>740655113>Laws aren't retroactiveLiterally how would you have this work in the first place?
>>740647512I don't have to.Movies have to say when you are buying or renting and so should games. They are both entertainment media.
>>740655104Bro, there was a time when /b/ was random stuff that didn't fit in other boards instead of a containment porn board.It feels like the entire Internet is filled with goon shit.
>>740649790>You can't own digital media.Yes you can. In the EU.EU Court of Justice has ruled multiple times that for purposes of consumer rights and in particular the question of ownership, digital content is to be treated as a good. Even in absence of a physical carrier medium.
>>740650373>Wait, will this apply to gacha games?It will apply to anything you bought in those gacha games with real money.Infact- in the EU it already does. This is part of a set of 7 core principles regarding virtual currencies and items that the joint EU member state regulatory bodies and the EU Commission published last year.
>>740649790>You paid for ease, not ownership.So paying for a physical disc gives you ownership then, right? A game with a physical release would never be destroyed?
>>740655169I think the problem is that /b/ is redundant due to people just posting off-topic threads on /v/.
You would think in the era of infinitely producible, infinitely replicating data that we would have more consumer friendly shit.
You dont own the fucking game, just because you bought it doesnt mean you can do literally anything you want with it, same way you dont use your fucking owned kitchen knife to stab babies on the street
>>740654810>"No, laws against corpos don't work">"No, any regulations don't work">"No, going against lobbying don't work">"No, any social laws or regulation don't work">"No, any higher taxation towards the rich elite don't work">"No, any other economic system don't work"Just lie down and die and never do anything then I guess. Or are you one of the "just vote with your wallet" people?Like what do you even want if you constantly shoot down any kind of idea to limit corpo and rich elite power?
>>740650652>There is not a single issue with the gaming industry that can't be solved with "voting with your wallet".We tried your way for 30 years and counting. It didn't work.Now- we try OUR way.
>>740655381I see what you mean but it's not the same.Like people will make /co/ threads on /v/ because the former is too full of faggots, and /v/ threads on /co/ because /v/ has too many chuds for their taste, but no one makes old school /b/ threads on /v/.Junji Ito dumps on LOL threads was the closest but LOL threads are dead too.
>>740655459Stabbing babies is illegal.
>>740647512
>>740655459Yeah, but the kitchen knife also doesn't stop working one day because of someone going "nah".
>>740655462I never said any of that.
>>740655080That's an entirely different scenario, with extended period stays you pay monthly/weekly depending on the hotel policy so it's like playing a subscription based MMO like WoW or FF14 where you know you can only access it as long as the service is kept up. If you want to keep the hotel analogy it'd be like if the hotel closed down while you were renting it forcing you to stop living there. I don't think that scenario works with SKG in this case.
>>740655462NTA but to be fair, no other economic system works. They've been tried. Millions died of starvation in the Soviet Union, in Communist China and in North-Korea because communism can't into economics or agriculture
Legal anons: How can a terms of service that includes "can be [taken away] for any or no reason" be legal in any way? "Any or no reason" opens so many gaping holes in any legal framework that I can't believe it is real.
>>740647264>big black cock dot com
>>740655149It's called "Stop Killing Games" not "Revive Dead Games"
>>740655459The question of ownership doesn't even matter because the law will apply around that. Even if it was, ownership of digital products is itself defined by a law and therefore could be changed if needed.
>>740647264>4.6k viewsBBC is literally irrelevant so who gives a shit if they try to milk this for money
>>740652294>you want them to release their server codebase? that's also delusional due to ownership rights.That's only a problem with IP ownership because middleware vendors use licensing that's incompatible with it.So- find different middleware vendors that won't use such licensing. If you *can't* use middleware that uses an incompatible licensing model, it means they'll either be pushed out of the market in favor of other vendors, or they will be forced to switch to a compatible licensing model.The market will provide. Supply and demand. Simple as that.
>>740655684It aired on tv too
>>740655698So what, another 4.6k views?
>>740655475>but no one makes old school /b/ threads on /v/.While it's not really the case anymore, I remember like 15 years ago there was a lot of random stuff on /v/ like those "that'll be 19.99 plus tip" threads.
>>740655251Why i can't trade my games on steam then?When will big bad eu regulators kick in the door of gaben yacht and force him to make steam games tradeable as a commodity between people?
>>740655581There's a hierarchy to laws.A EULA or a contract can't contradict the law of the land, just like regular laws can't contradict the constitution. That's the basic gist of it.One of their main arguments is that these EULAs are never brought to court and thus the relevant consumer protection laws are not being enforced as they should.
>>740651967Speaking of fotbol, USA football chant is some fucking cringe: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V3Iq5DaZ18QAlways makes me laugh
>>740651062Of course not, that's why I would never give my CC number to a a company that promotes such practices. I'm not fucking retarded.Cheers.
>>740655575NTA but free-market capitalism and communism aren't the only choices for economy, you could have a regulated market like in europe without resorting to communism.
>>740655763That would actually be pretty cool
>>740655797https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hve-CD1aWpU
Where next Freeman's Mind at?
>>740655692nobody is gonna just license you a free fully developed server for a game. sorry that's not how reality works. it's not about markets it's about cost. you wanting a compatible licensing model is irrelevant here. >The market will provideunless it collapses due to zero incentive to participate in it
>>740647512I justify it by the law requiring you to provide access or be executed by public decapitation. Tough shit kike!
>>740655581Basically they aren't. In EU in particular the general legal option has been that EULA just straight up aren't valid contracts and it doesn't matter if you click agree. It's just they are rarely challenged in court because most companies don't really give you a reason to most of the time.
>>740655985Developers did so in the past.
>>740647512Not my problem
>>740655763>Why i can't trade my games on steam then?Legally you can. You have that right. And neither the IP rightsholder nor any of their representatives such as a trader or distributor, is allowed to actively interfere in that. The catch however, is that they also do not have to FACILITATE it. And that's why you can't. Because Steam as a platform doesn't have a feature to transfer license activations between different accounts, and Steam cannot be legally forced to implement it.
>>740655692>The market will provide. Supply and demand. Simple as that.Anyone got that comic how how capitalism is supposed to work, and how it actually works? They used lemonade IIRC.
>I want to own my games>I also hate landlords and support the abolition of private propertyCommies are weird.
>>740655610The only value skg can possibly have is in reviving and preserving dead games that people actually want to play, not potentially preserve whatever AAA live service shit will come out in 3 years.
>>740656107>I want to support private property>I also support people's private property being destroyedIt's a double edged sword no matter how you slice it.
>>740656025we're not talking about the past. one precedent doesn't apply to a scenario where it's legally mandated against a company that has to pursue profits for shareholders. if it's not profitable it won't be implemented, meaning the game won't be funded. we're talking about not killing games, but this would have the reverse effect and lead to more games not even being funded unless they 100% will make a huge net profit to nullify a creeping cost, meaning more AAA slop, more DEI, more inoffensive approaches to design altogether. it would be a massive creative regression in the gaming industry all because of a financial constraint that can't be removed nor justified. it just doesn't make sense. nobody benefits from this.
>>740650628>Why are Americans so against consumer rights?"2 more weeks until I become a billionaire myself" mentality. They all think they're gonna make it and join the cool kids club themselves.
>>740655575People starve under capitalism all the time. All three countries you mentioned were dictatorships.And you ignore all the times USA and Israel keeps meddling with any country with social systems and usually just going in plain warfare.Remember Iran trying to nationalize their oil and USA, UK, and Israel replaced the leader with western slut that kept funneling money towards west to the point religious extremists started rising up. And in general USA backing all the religious extremists in the region.South America, Asia, AfricaWhenever there is any country that tried to break away from USAs economy or Capitalism in general, USA fucked them up instantly. Now they are funding right-wing group in Europe with Russia and trying to break up EU because they want to regulate Capitalism even a bit.Capitalism has failed so many times but the rich are always bailed with, funnily enough, their own socialist policies that the working class never will see.During covid, when fuckton of people died and lost their job, the rich Capitalists just got richer and even more socialist policies aimed only at them.The whole system is designed around worshiping the rich, and fuckton of people even here are brainwashed to the point where they worship the rich elite and corpos. Under this system, we need people who are poor and never will make it just to support the elite. People are starving due to companies needing to make profit, but the people are just starving and suffering elsewhere instead.Now USA is at the point of using prison labor(aka slave labor) because the jobs in fields don't pay enough for anyone except immigrants that got deported.Because the rich needs to make profit.So please don't use three dictatorships as an example why any non-Capitalist system "don't work" when every other type of communism or socialism gets always overthrown by USA and Israel to serve the rich elite and their profits.
>>740656107>gotta strawman as hard as possible
>>740655921>"We love it!!!"
>>740656192>one precedent doesn't apply to a scenario where it's legally mandated against a company that has to pursue profits for shareholders.Maybe that should be the next thing on the chopping block.
>>740656109that's why SKG is stupid. just poking the bear in regards to fan projects because some retard had a melty over a ubisoft game. it's so unnecessary, people already made an offline version of the crewif the game is worth preserving, fans will do so
>>740656109That's what GOG is already doing, SKG is about preventing games from needing GOG to revive them in the first place, that's the whole point.
>>740656278>if the game is worth preserving, fans will do soNot every game has an autistic slav that can reverse engineer server side code.
>>740656107>abolition of private property
>>740656209
>>740656182You don't own the servers you play games onIf you want to actually own games, make an offline copy
>>740656278Why do fans have to work for free to play something they paid for?
>>740656015>In EU in particular the general legal option has been that EULA just straight up aren't valid contracts and it doesn't matter if you click agree.That's incorrect. EULAs are legally enforceable as long as the consumer was made able to inform themselves beforehand of their contents and said contents gave them a clear enough picture of things to actually be able to understand what the terms of contract imply.This follows from EU Directive 1993/13 on unfair terms in consumer contracts, aka the Unfair Contract Terms Directive (UCTD).https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:31993L0013Said directive states that any terms in a non-individually negotiated contract that harm the balance of rights and obligations to the detriment of the consumer may be considered unfair, and that unfair terms may not bind the consumer - i.e. are unenforceable and can at any time be annulled.The directive closes off with an annex containing a non-exhaustive list of terms which by their nature are *always* to be deemed as unfair, and among those it states:>Terms that have the object or effect of:>[..]>irrevocably binding the consumer to terms with which he had no real opportunity of becoming acquainted before the conclusion of the contract
>>740656334But I do, I own a couple of shitbooks that act as my Quake and PS2 multiplayer game servers.
>>740647512I justify it by you being a jewish kike rat who lost.
>>740656107Communism doesn't want people to own land.That tends to lead to companies renting it to you and getting a complete monopoly on your housing. If they raise your rent nonstop, what can you do except go homeless?Housing, water, and food should be human rights but it seems too "radical" for some countries.
>>740655985>nobody is gonna just license you a free fully developed server for a game.:: Open Steam :::: Opens list of dedicated servers available for installation ::You were saying?
>>740656345because companies can't be trusted to maintain games for a niche audience like fans will.
>>740656328>Unironically defending USA and Israel nonstop meddling in world politicsGlowing
>>740656324>>740656182So SKG supports private property, including rentism?Damn, I was completelly wrong about the movement, I stand corrected and apologize.Thanks, bros.
>>740656416Official maintenance ends when the servers get taken offline, and thus it's not relevant to the conversation.You seem a little confused.
>>740656324>Leftist discourse>Against communism???
>>740656450>pretending not to understand things (contd)
>>740656491>>740656324https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/PtxsW0aTH5NfZw6R4cmapw/Hmmm
>>740656278And devs/studios are doing their best to prevent these fans from doing exactly that. They either make the game hard to reverse-engineer on purpose or they strike down any non-profit fan work that manages to do it (a la Nintendo). SKG wants to give legal protections for fans to achieve that.
>>740656424Communists tried to conquer my country on two different occasions, you can fuck off.
>>740656491It's leftist well poisoning to call it communist.
>>740648597you know, that episode of south park wasn't how reality actually work, ToS can be against the law and aren't the highest absolute authority
>>740647512What do you mean? It's asking for companies to allow players to be able to host their own servers after the company has stopped supporting the game.
>>740656530You think bending over backward for the usa and israel is sticking it up to stalin?
Americans hate having their lives improved if there is even the slightest chance of someone else's quality of life also goes up with it. An entire nation of crabs in a bucket.
>>740650628It's the capitalism capital of the world. Consumers and human lives don't matter. Only companies and profits for them.
>>740655581>Legal anons: How can a terms of service that includes "can be [taken away] for any or no reason" be legal in any way?It isn't. In the literal sense actually. It's not a legal document binding the consumer at that point.If push comes to shove and an EU court would have an actual look at it, something very interesting would happen.See- there's this interesting thing in the EU called the Unfair Contract Terms Directive as mentioned in >>740656362And one of the *other* things mentioned in the annex of said directive is>Terms that have the object or effect of:>[..]>making an agreement binding on the consumer whereas provision of services by the seller or supplier is subject to a condition whose realization depends on his own will aloneSo quite literally, if a EULA states "we can pull the plug on this at any time of our choosing for any reason of our choosing" then it automatically makes any terms that aim to make the entire EULA binding as a legal contract, an unfair term - which may not bind the consumer.Note: May not bind the CONSUMER. It still binds the other party involved, namely- the publisher and their representatives.Conveniently, that means you can hold them to any and all of their obligations under contract, and they cannot hold you to yours.
>>740656308When i can play PSO2 or Tera on GOG?
>>740656502So do you support private property or not?
>>740656573No matter how many times you post about muh America or muh Jews, I will always stand by my firm belief that communists are evil and need to be destroyed in all cases. Your ideology is anti-human, anti-life and has failed every time it has been attempted.
>>740652294No, you let the playerbase run the servers. That's why you give them the ability to host dedicated servers. People can still buy and play your game, but the players pay for the servers out of their own pocket. It worked fine since the 1990s
>>740656530>Criticizing USA and Israel means that I MUST support some authotarian dictator shitThe brainwashing is fucking real Jesus fucking CHRIST imagine the nonstop kneejerk defending fucking Israel and USA because Stalin was fucking retarded powerhungry faggot.
>>740656530What country?
>>740656786Binland :D:D
>>740656702You can play PSO2 right now and Tera has private servers
>>740651967>>740653789haha you cannot be serious. this has to be satire. not even the worst comedy sketch on yt shorts can be this dumb.
>>740647396Final boss
>>740653789So people cant even walk there?
>>740656709Sounds like you got buckbroken so bad, you think anything that's not cutthroat capitalism is communism.Well, keep being buckbroken, kiddo. Nobody can heal an assblasting that bad.
>>740657034>we just want to kill you and everyone you love! why would you oppose us? don't you know that THE JEWS are making money off of usury?...
>>740657086Thanks for confirming how buckbroken you are.
>>740656826TähTalvisotahan täällä vaan oli, ellet oikeasti laske sisällis sodan tukea muka neukkujen vallotusyritykseksi. Tai jotain heimosotia :DJatkosodallahan me kustiin koko homma ja sen jälkeen natsit alko telomaan ja raiskaamaan saamenmaata ihan kunnolla.Mua kyllä hävettää että sä oot niin vihanen kommunismille ja sosialismille että alat oikeasti puolustelemaan kaikkea paskaa mitä USA ja Israel on tehnyt melkein sata vuotta. Mihin sisältyy ihan meidänkin vakoilu ja politiikan manipulointi kuten vitun Kokoomus. Jenkit näkee Suomen melkein kommunistisena valtiona meidän perusoikeuksien takia. Se että vitun Stalin teki diktaattoripaskaa, ja herra ei ees ollu elossa sun elinaikana, saa sut jotenkin ihan kallu tasolla vihaamaan mitään sosialismiin ja kommunismiin viittaavaa, JA puolustelemaan USAn ja Israelin paskaa(kuten niiden takia syntyny pakolaiskriisi lähi-idässä koska "yhyy ne ei halunnu antaa öljyrahaa muricalaisille korporaatioille!!!) on ihan helvetin noloa.Vitun mossadin huora :D Kato ku Orpo paskoo sun päälle vähän lisää ja kiittelet ku myydään lisää meidän maata muricalle ja briteille.Siis hyi vittu
>>740657150I just can't understand why you think society is improved by mass murder and a decline in quality of life. You'd think the difference between East and West Germany would show you why one system works and the other doesn't. Same with the two Koreas.But no. You ignore all this and think that if we killed tens of millions of people through purges and starvation just one more time we'd achieve some utopian society.And I don't want anything to do with it. I just want to own my games.
>>740650652When you're young you are idealistic about free market and think consumers can just steer it with their money.When you grow up you realise it will never work because most people are too retarded, ignorant, don't care and are easily fooled. So your options is to outsource your steering to either brain-dead retards or government, and the brain-dead retards is what got us here in the first place.
>>740657203Voitko muuten laittaa yhdenkin postauksen jossa olen sanonut mitään positiivista jenkeistä tai jutkuista? Yhtäkään?Et voi. Tapa ittes vitun kommari, whataboutismi on aina ollut teille maistuva puolustus, mutta ei se toimi. Mikään paska mitä te teette ei ole oikeutettavissa sillä että joku muu jossain muualla tekee jotain.Kuole.
>>740657240You northeners should be prime example of knowing that you don't have to strictly adhere to one economic model over another and can mix them to your benefit so all this posturing you're doing sounds fake
So anyway, can we all just admit that Ross and his ilk are just bitter that time has passed them by and now they want to take everyone down with them? They hate modern games because their cheap old PCs can't run them so they don't think anyone should be allowed to play them either. This is what SKG is about, the destruction of all innovation and technological progress, so only games made in the 90s would be available, and those would be all anyone'd be allowed to play.Imagine it. It's the year 2032. SKG has passed. Any game made after 1998 has been banned. The Europol agents march the streets and do random inspections to make sure your hardware can't run anything more advanced than Counter Strike. All games are free, the companies that made them gutted, the people who worked there slaves in the server rooms, manning the bicycles that generate power through dynamos, turning the fans that cool the servers.That's all. That's life now.
>>740655459>The companies are poor little babies who only leased us the knife in the guise of a product. By asking that we get the ownership of the specific copy that's sold to us as a product, we are committing baby murder against le poor heckim multi billion dollar company.Based.
>>740656989effectively, nowhat i've circled in red is residential, everything else is commercialnew jersey fucking sucks, most other places in the US have a good reason for being car-centric (we're huge and spread out) but NJ is just poorly plannednew jersey is new york's storage shed/insane asylum/ghetto and i can think of nobody more emblematic of its leaders than chris christie (fat retarded wop faggot)
>>740657315No juu mutta heti kun joku on kritisoimassa jenkkien ja Israelin paskaa niin tuut äkkiä huutelemaan "ÖÖ EIKU STALIN OLI VAMMANEN PASKA JOTEN MIKÄÄN KOMMUNISMI EI VOI TOIMIA!!!" ku homman nimi oli juuri se että USA ja Israel on kokoajan paskonu kaikki yritykset mihinkään sosialismiin viittaavaakaan.Se on ihan vitun noloa oikeasti. Tää on just tason että Israel tappaa jengiä Gazassa niin sä olisit huutamassa että "Hamas myös tappo jengiä joten ei ny puhuta siitä mitä Israel tekee pls ;/ <3"Sulla on niin Amerikan idpol mädättyny pää että näät kaiken vasemmistolaisen ekonomian, joka harmittaa rikkaita Epstein asiakkaita, pahimpana pahana maailmassa.Ny järki käteen hei ja lopeta toi murikan ja Israelin simppaaminen alkaa olla ihan vitun noloa. Toivon että oot joku Kremlinbotti tässä vaiheessa ihan oikeasti.
>>740657514You can stop your retarded larp now.
>>740655575feudalism worked for thousands of years
>>740651429she cute
>>740655684>BBC is literally irrelevantAll women everyone in the world would like a word with you, including your mom.
>>740647264A thread died for this eceleb faggotry?
>>740651849Why you are sucking his cock defending hin?
This current finnish shitflinging reminds me that finland had a ridiculously high per capita rate signing SKG compared to everyone else.Wasn't it like 1%?
>>740653357Lmao there are no historical buildings in America
>>740647264>>740648723/v/ traded their video games and consoles for attention manwhores and homosexuality
>>7406576561.07%
>>740655575Any economic system can work.But will it serve the people?Does Capitalism serve your average person, when the whole idea is to generate and gather as much capital as possible, leading just 0.001% owning almost everything in the world?
>commie this>capitalist that>kike this>faggot that>label this>label thatAbsolutely disgustingThe merit on the other hand is clear. I get my vidya. Fuck those that take them away. I don't care what you call me or them
>>740657606Cavemanolism worked for hundreds of thousand years, checkmate
>>740657676There were. Yeah no like Italy or Greece level of course. And if we don't count the Native American sites where most were destroyed for highways etc.But still, buildings that were like 1800s 1700s or older got destroyed for car parking and highways etc. walmart stroad shit.
>>740657584Sano nyt joku postaus jossa olen puolustanut jenkkejä tai jutkuja, sano. Linkki nyt. Ei voi olla noin vaikeeta näyttää sellaista postausta kun koko ajan jankutat siitä että teen niin.Veikkaan, ettet onnistu, kun en ole kertaakaan sanonut mitään hyvää kummastakaan. Mutta kommunismi on paskaa, on aina ollut paskaa ja tulee aina olemaan paskaa. Se ei voi toimia, se ei ole koskaan toiminut, se ei tule koskaan toimimaan. Voit aina leikkiä että "oikeaa kommunismia ei koskaan kokeiltu" ja että ilkeät jenkit aiheuttivat holodomorin ja muutkin kommunstisten valtioiden nälänhädät, mutta eiköhän niissä ollut kyse valtiotason epäpätevyydestä ja massiivisista, puhtaan teorian varassa läpi runnotuista uudistuksista, jotka eivät toimineet.Jenkit ovat vammaisia idiootteja ja juutalaiset ovat kiireisiä pikku kansanmurhaajia, että älä nyt yritä koko ajan puolustautua whataboutismeilla.En aio vastata sinulle enempää. Tapa itsesi vitun kommarihuora.>>740657764This is honestly all I want too, I paid for it so it should be mine.
>>740652108Man this post should be obligatory in those X community notes to any argument.Ross preditcting retards like>>740652271>>740652294 and already having answers for them will always be funny
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/740643902/#740643902So how come this gay eceleb shit thread got deleted in an instant but this >>740647264 is still up? What the fuck is wrong with the mods here?
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>>740647264The Mold spreads.Ferretfuckers on suicide watch.
>>740657717It doesn't sound like a lot but then you realise 1.07/100 eligible people in le ebin binland signed it.
>>740657832hunter-gatherer societies did okay, but it's an inherently risky strategy since you're so at the whims of natureagriculture doesn't just let you get food more consistently, it lets you stockpile where that was quite difficult with foraging and huntingobviously humans did just fine with it for a really long time, but one bad season and you're all dead
>>740657913I had no idea Finland was obsessed with The Crew, but with all the pro-commie shit they're spouting in this thread I guess it makes sense they'd want all games ot be properly of the state
>>740657954It is hilarious trying to paint fucking FINLAND as pro communist lmao.
>>740658004Finland is very Russian in many ways. They were neutral during all of WW2.t. Charlie KirkHey isn't t. a Finnish thing? I heard it's a Finnish thin
The american has been tricked into cheering for its own slavery and to recoil whenever someone offers him freedom.What can even be done for pitiful people such as them?
>>740658043>They were neutral during all of WW2.
>>740647512>How do you justify demanding the right to play live service games for life without sounding like a shit eating chimpStealing is illegal, you can hide behind muh license all you want, but if someone paid their hard earned money to buy a game, the least they can expect is for said game to not disappear in the ether some day without them getting their money back.You might not believe this, but most people in the world barely can afford videogames now that they're pushing the 90€ and 120€ price tags, that's literally the whole month's wage for a person in most of the world.
>>740658089>What can even be done for pitiful people such as them?A swift mercy kill.
>>740658104https://youtu.be/afAObpz10SE?t=225
>>740658089Chinese invasion.
>>740657859Ja uudestaan.Joku kritisoi USAn ja Israelin paskaa.Ja sä olet heti sanomassa "KOMMUNISMI PAHA!!!"Mikä on vanmasta. Samaa tasoa kun joku sanoisi että miesten itsemurhat on vakava asia johon tarvittaisiin apua ja sä huutaisit että "okei mut yks mies raiskas mut ;/"Sä et vaan suostu uskomaan että se että Stalin oli vammanen ei tee kommunismista pahaa tai vittu oikeuta USAn ja Israelin paskaa. >>740656530Tuossa nyt se esimerkki kun joku kirjottaa tekstiseinää miksi kommunismi jne ei oo toiminu ku USA ja Israel paskoo kaikki yritykset ja sä tuut kiljumaan että Stalin oli vanmanen joka tarkottaa "että kommunistit yritti vallottaa suomen kaksi* kertaa".Joka on just sitä whataboutismia mistä ite syyttelet ja jolla yrität kokoajan vältellä sitä pointtia että sosialismi ja kommunismi ympäri ei oo saanu jalansijaa ku ne tuhotaa USAn ja Israelin toimesta. Siis oikeasti kiljut joistain vitun neukuista vieläkin ja vertaat niitä kaikkeen maholliseen kommunismiin ja sosialismiin. Kato ny jotain Afrikan kapitalistista valtiota jossa joku sotaloordi telottaa jengiä ja hyökkäilee, sen jälkeen kato ku joku Afrikkalainen sanoo että "Kapitalistit yritti vallottaa mun maan joten fuk you kapitalistit"*yhden kerran.
>>740650435>Always great to see the superiority of Chicago making people seetheBro, the criminality is so rampant that there's literal warlords in that fucking city, every democrat ruled city is a literal failed city at this point.
>>740658089>What can even be done for pitiful people such as them?Introduce Social-Democracy to them. Judging by NYC they like it.
Can the Mongolians stop posting in Mongolese? Thanks
>>740658228Ja vielä painotan.Sun koko argumentti siihen että Kommunismi paha on se että joku kommari(diktaattori) hyökkäs Suomen kimppuun. Tolla logiikalla voi paskoa kaikki ideologiat. Esim. Kapitalismi.Sulla ei oo ees mitään järkevää argumenttia muu ku emotionaalinen joka perustuu johonkin tyyliin 80 vuotiaaseen tapahtumaan.Lumihiutale homo :D
>reeee americansand>i am american and this is badare divide-and-conquer tacticsanybody using the word 'commie' is a disingenuous shitposter Ross is American and most Americans are very much so pro-consumer rights, we just have literally no control over our own government which is owned by the same people who own our media. The majority who want stuff like this don't get heard at all because they can't vote for it and the media is told to ignore it or slander it.
>>740658228>>740658345Can you two take it somewhere else?
>>740656530And now USA says it's okay and you should spread your legs wide for the third attempt.
>>740658378>Americans are very much so pro-consumer rights,LOLLMAO even
>>740658445any rebuttal for what i said right after that, or will you just dismissively shitpost? neither of those people are american btw
>>740656389I hate this shithole so much it's unreal, I hope WW3 happens so every major city gets wiped off the map. The jewish oligarchy is killing us and it needs to go.
>nooo its communism!>nooo regulations don't work, stop voting!>nooo you expect to maintain the servers forever?!>nooo *insert retarded corpo misrepresentation here*you love to see it. corpo screeching is music to my ears
>>740658509>neither of those people are american btwPretty sure it's illegal to give aliens job in your government
>>740658378holy basedit's all either national d&c, or SERVERS ARE LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO RUN apologia that relies on complete technical ineptitude of people listeninglooking forward to the time where """license holders""" enter full gear and start saying that the only way media can exist is by switching to legal requirements of the music industry (like performance fees and the right to murder michael jackson)
>>740658603>Pretty sure it's illegal to give aliens job in your governmentand? what the fuck are you gonna do, little amerikan? your elites literally raped and ate children on an island and you did nothingcause you're a bitch
>>740647512It's always you faggots that are like this, twisting the narrative as you see fit and blinded by all the cock sucking you do, that the mere act of someone asking for something back is like someone shot your dog.
>>740658601>regulations don't work>big corpos grew and sustain themselves based on regulations and use them against newcomers>lobby to revoke those that are incovenient to themWonder what would they think if the US was ran by warlords like Haiti, regulations and laws be damned.
>>740658713>regulations don't workbut they do work, that's the point
>>740647264>We m-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCKKK>>740657903>The M-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCKKKK
>>740658676Hopelessness leads to cynicism and to that kind of post.
>>740654021foreigners live in places built for people instead of cars
>>740658795They're not sending their best
>>740657764This. No matter what shitflinging, derailment or deflection gets attempted, only one thing matters; I paid for the game so I want to own the fucking thing.
>>740658089Just nuke most of our major metro areas and the problem fixes itself
>>740658946I hope you didn't buy it on steam, psn, xbox, nintendo, or any other platform that sells licenses
>>740659176>no but what aboutcorpo shill derailment attempt
>>740647396Great Norwood King
I don't care for the opinions of ugly people
>>740659317Post face, let's see what your opinion is worth.
>>740658895Worked so well for you last time right?
so just how hard are lobbyist going against this?
>>740659176Did you not hear me?I don’t give a fuck about whatever bullshit you fling to try derailing the discussion. I paid for it. It’s mine. If the boot you’re shining disagrees, the EU has some bad news for it.Simple as.
>>740659387They've been at it the moment the eu initiative gained traction so probably pretty hard. Two massive lobby groups covering basically the whole AAA part of the industry are heading the charge.
>>740659387refer to >>740652646
Europoors really need the money from fining non-Europoor companies. They are parasites and I wish America would leave NATO ready.Not to imply this is primarily a problem for Americans. This is 100% targeted against Asians. Gacha derangement syndrome has reached the level of western state-actors because of how successful of a business model it is, and it conflicts with their christo-comminist puritanism.
>>740659643Nice derailing attempt. I give it a 4 out of 10.
Did Valve say anything about this? Pro or anti?
I don't get why what he's asking for is controversial.It doesn't cost much. It provides a lot of value. Companies avoid harsher regulation in the long term because the low-hanging fruit is eaten.They don't have to do anything while they're priting money with their gacha or whatever, it's just a responsibility to do something when they're shutting down the game.
>>740659729No statements from Valve, probably for the best.
>>740649328It's actually the complete opposite, it's whitepilling people on the benefits of overreaching nanny state governmental regulators like the EU and blackpilling them on free market publicly traded cancer corporations.
>>740659763Valve already gives us dedicated servers so they wouldn't be against this.
>>740659382>>740654313Imagine getting triggered over food
>>740647264GAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>740651843Because time a gamer has is limited and company doesn't want you to keep playing one game over and over again. They want you to buy another one. And another one. AND ANOTHER ONE. AND ANOTHER ONE.
>>740660098They can do that AND play the old game too. Now you can get a new player to buy the current AND the old game. You double your money.
What does BBC stand for?
>>740649421
>>740660209Big Beautiful (girl)Cocks
>>740652646DELETE THIS
>>740659696>leader bot issues [completely ignore this and don't give attention] commandI must have hit the jackpot then.I derailed what exactly? Cult chanting that you own things that you really don't and that government overreach is heckin based. Is pointing out that this is also a good PR-boost for the governments that are trying to implement OS-level age verification also derailing?
>>7406542032 - 5 - A, for me.
>>740647264this bozo needs a haircut if he is going to represent us
its funny how piratesoftware was right, just look at the bill that passed in californiamight as well have called it "keep killing games and fuck indie games"
>>740647512if thats the case everything you pay for you dont own and you deserve to have it taken from you at any moment dumbass
>>740660375You're a double nigger faggot.How's that for a bot, retard?
>>740660514What's your issue with it?
>>740660628its literally just a loophole, it has no guts except to fuck over any indie multiplayer game lol
>>740660514Ah yes, the indie games that rely on a central server instead of peer to peer connections or dedicated server software that users can deploy like... uh...
>>740660679>it has no guts except to fuck over any indie multiplayer gameGonna have to explain better than that.
>>740647264>petition very successful in EU>burgers are following suitOH NONONO corposisters wtf is happening
>>740660375Yes it is because EU laws aren't made based on a single ideology. The EU implementing consumer protection laws doesn't mean that bullshit anti-privacy legislations pushed by the Danes that has been rejected twice already is going to get auotomatically accepted, that's not how democracy works.
>>740660789google it moron
>>740660789His favorite eceleb said that's what it is, he hasn't actually looked at the bill himself
>>740660852EU also generally doesn't do those Omnibus bills where they pass a trillion things at the same time. It's a per issue law, you can't sneak in the rape the rivers provision with the puppies and flowers bill.
>>740660686like all of them?you know all that friendslop you complain about?basically every unity multiplayer game uses the unity matchmaker too
>>740648723RAPED AND GAPED
>>740660924So you don't actually know anything LMFAO
all of this thanks to ubisoft pissing off 1 guy really hard.
>>740660924I read the text. I'm not seeing what you are referring to.
>>740653661>Boils down to conservativesThank you for identifying yourself as a directionbrained retard from the beginning, saves me the effort of reading your moronic bullshit.
>>740661138get an llm to read it since you can't
>>740660962I thought that was common sense, is that not how things work over the pond?
>>740661516they do a lot of things very differently, some are good, some are retarded
>>740661214So you didn't read it as the other anon said. Good to hear.
>>740653818Oh they understand it.
>>740654038
>>740649328lil niglet out here tryna be nostradamus
>le voote with your wallet bro>concord is made>immediately flops>all of its devs fall upwards>le market is fair it will fix itselfYou lolberts should be flayed alive.
>>740647264>We made it onto the BBC bros.You sure you're not talking about your wife?
>>740648841It's she now.
>>740662740They will continue to make flops until finances catch up to them or they learn their lesson. They aren't going to go under overnight.Lets not also pretend some of these garbage games aren't also partially funded with europoor taxes, like Dustborn was.
>>7406542035, 4, D
>>740660209British Broadcasting Corporation
>>740650652>just vote with your wallet when Blackrock has a wallet 1 trillion times bigger than you
>>740663047>They will continue to make flops until finances catch up to themDoes he know?
>>740663272Where is your Chuddha now?
>>740663047>Lets not also pretend some of these garbage games aren't also partially funded with europoor taxes, like Dustborn was.While Dustborn is an affront to art and culture, the European grant they recieved funding from is not some globalist conspiracy to push propaganda so don't pretend that it is.
>>740663047>finances will catch up to them... eventually...somehow...any day now...
>>740658089Nothing needs to be done. They want the system to stay in place in the vain hope that they will be the taskmasters one day. Therefore they're evil and deserve to live like that.
>>740657584When I think of finland I think it's what swedenboos imagine Sweden to be but with vodka seems like really cool country
>>740664608Swedish we are notRussians we will not beLet us be Finns :D:D - some guy in the 1800s
>>740647512Like Ross.
>>740658089just wait until you see our work culture>working 80 hours a week is BASED actually! lower your tone if you work less hours than me! i give ALL my time to mr bossman and i'm PROUD of it!
How raped must one be to argue against their own rights?
>>740662740>studio makes shit game>people vote with their wallets>game fails and Sony loses hundreds of millions of dollars.Isn't this free market working as intended?Do you want the employees to be punished for the mistakes of the company too, dumb chud?
>>740672529>look at my singular example that backs up my claim>that means the market is working as intended !lemao
>>740652646I was banned several times for off topic because apparently owning your vidya is not vidya
>>740647512Stop defending corporations taking purchased products away, you retarded corporate cumsock
>>740672529>game fails and Sony loses hundreds of millions of dollars.>this justifies Sony just deleting the game from their player libraries and refunding them without the players having any say in the matter
>>740672806>working as intended means what an youtuber told me soHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>740650119Imagine getting owned by a trip cuck >>740650191 Golems are this pathetic.
>>740674793cool but whom are you quoting?
>>740663047>Lets not also pretend some of these garbage games aren't also partially funded with europoor taxes, like Dustborn was.>europoor taxesRetard.
>>740675174If you don't define your terms, others will do it for you and against you. Debating 101. Get rekt kiddo. Keep simping for a youtuber, LMAO
>>740663047>Keep voting with your wallet so they can continue applying for grants and leech off your taxes insteadOr you could take a more direct approach. Voting with your wallet has to be the most idiotic grift in this past decade, there are so many documented ways around disregarding it and yet morons like you peddle it like it's a universal solution
>>740675836>If you dont say what I want I will strawman you! Get rekt! Muh youtuber!This is the average anti-skg corpocuck
>>740648638Its connected to always online DRM that breaks the game once those servers go offline and often companies will actively target restoration attempts even if you bought the game. If i recall arent a lot of "games for windows live" games as well as games that use that crap SafeDisc broke on modern systems? I cant even play my copy of STOLEN (actual name) because of it.
>>740675836the fuck are you talking about, are you having a stroke? nobody mentioned any youtubers except for you
>>740650373"We" really are coming out of the woodworks for the "party"huh?
>>740655113>you can't literally fix the past, so why attempt to make the future better?
>>740647512>>740648437>>740649328>Ahhhh government regulations!>I heard that 1984 book had government regulations!>I wish governments never existed!Wish granted.The simple act of opening “your own” door now requires a service fee since all property everywhere is now actually owned by BlackRock.Your comfy job with reasonable hours recently just killed its last competitor and now your work weeks is 112 hours for the same weekly paycheck.Actually its less as Peniscoin, the currency they pay you in, just fucking crashed after a few very wealthy people decided to pull everything.After your life is suddenly fucking ruined do to your entire life savings of Peniscoin being nothing now, the thought of killing yourself appears in your brain for a split second. This however is your biggest mistake as unknow to you, Microsoft put a mind reading chip in your brain after you bought a crappy enshitified computer to pay specific set of bills which you can only pay off on Microsoft computer (your other bills need to be paid for on a Mac).After having sensed your suicidal throughts, Microsoft’s own private military breaks into your workplace and kidnaps you. Your company fines you for all the broken windows.You’re strapped to a table with your eyelids forced- I mean freedomed open to watch 24/7 stream of cringy advertisements like its fucking Clockwork Orange
>>740682276Did you draw this? Because it's incomprehensible.
>>740675262Fuck this nonsense whats that article in the bottom right, thats the actual important article
>>740647264Theory: the purpose of shills is not to convince anyone, but to convince bystanders that "there is debate" and "opinions are split". It's to calm down decision makers by claiming that the lobbied for decision is not unpopular.
>>740685253that's why it's extremely important to call out shills, instead of arguing with them
>>740647264why is an ugly guy leading this?i won't ever take ugly people seriously
>>740647264AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEE
>>740647572you're talking about the cali law.
>>740647512If I pay for a magazine subscription, and the service ends, you can't kick in my door and take back my magazines, retard
>>740675262>USA is pushing faggotry and DEI outwardsMore news at 11.
>>740647264bro looks like the average 4chan user
>>740647512I'm paying 80 for your overpriced garbage to allow some diversity hire live off of a 6 figure salary doing jack shit.
>>740658273>ESL thinking he's people
>>740686990A KING IN MY OWN MIND
>>740661168Who's voting against SKGs in both the EU and America? Conservatives.You've picked the wrong side if you're upset over that fact and want to support consumer rights and video games.
