Realistically this phenomenon wasn't limited to just secondary scrimblos, it affected the entire image of the N64 and its flagship games>heard about SM64 and OOT for so long I assumed they'd be timeless masterpieces that blow the fuck out of modern games like other games from the time>finally played them >all I got was extremely rough half-baked proof-of-concept tech demos whose ideas were fully obsolete just several years laterThe entire history of the origin of 3D games and the N64 has been skewed by the fact a ton of Americans literally had nothing else to play on the console they happened to get and had to convince themselves the games they had were somehow super special, leading to the "game essayist" phenomenon to focus so much on the N64 compared to literally every other platform
OP = BIG mad
>>740661318this shit was disproven a long time ago
>>740661318WUAHHHH! WUAHHHH!!WHY DON'T YOUTUBERS GIVE CHEESY THE RESPECT IT DESERVES???WUAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!
>>740661318Tendiejeet games hold up better than snoygger sports games. That’s just how it is.
PS2 games were like marvel movies. A lot of people played them, but they were slop. They won't be remembered, they won't be cherished. They will fail the test of time. I bet you'll find some retard in 30 years going "why does nobody like Marvel movies anymore, everyone is wrong" and he will also think he's some enlightened intellectual for his absolute shit taste. Just like you OP.
>>740661769Cheesy would have a dozen different video essays about him all 2h+ long if he was an N64 exclusive
>best game of all time Zelda:OOT >sold 7.6 million copieswtf brosnobody even heard of it until youtube I bet
>>740661845>drone-like religious worship is my standard of qualityThat tells me a lot honestly
just because 3 million poor kids' parents bought them an aborted Yoshi game for the thirdie console doesn't mean the game was good enough to be revered today
>>740661845what does the ps2 have to do with any of this
>>740661318>>740661684Croc 1 sold 3.56 million, Croc 2 sold 500,000Banjo-Kazooie sold 3.65 million, Banjo-Tooie sold 1.49 millionBanjo was the bigger seller.Also Rare wasn't a one-hit-wonder and actually made more well known shit afterwards, what the fuck did Argonaut do? Buck Bumble and some shitty movie tie-ins? There's a reason they're culturally irrelevant
>>740661890Now you're getting it, just switch the brands around
>>740661929Now post how many games they were competing with the month and year of their release
I played both as a kid, I only remember BK fondly as it was actually a good game.
>>740661879>strawman that has nothing to do with my postnice try my mentally challenged african-american friend
I played both as a kid, I only remember Croc fondly as it was actually a good game.
>>740661318Trvth Nvke
>>740661846Oh yeah because there's so many Rocket: Robot on Wheels youtube retrospectives.
>>740661318Didn't croc only sell because of a "best of the worst" sort of deal.The game had tank controls, consisted of tiny areas to do 4 jumps and then teleported you to the next. Jumping had to be booked in advance because it took so long and didn't even feel consistent>then how did it sellBecause there was fuck all else and this had the most advertising/visibility. Quality was harder to tell and jank was expected to a point with older games. There was a lot more tolerance to that bullshit back then/
>>740662349>Because there was fuck all else>on the PS1
>>740662413Of the genre that people recognised.Only other ones that I think of are Toy story and other movie tie ins.
>>740662413in terms of 3D platformers he's right there was fuck all else
>>740662246At least I've seen videos about rocket before your post.
>>740662486Toy Story is one of the best platformers from the generation
>>740661318>DADDY YOUTUBE!!! ACKNOWLEDGE MY LIBRARY!!!>>740661929This doesn't even take into account how many more PS1 consoles were sold compared to N64s. It's sad how brutally mogged that ratio is when you think about it.
>>740662628gex enter the gecko was literally better than mario 64
>>740662497Spyro 1 to 3, Ape Escape, Jumping Flash and its sequels, Ray Man 2, Toy Story 2
>>740662686I liked mario better
>>740662628I know.. Movie tie ins, notabley the disney ones like Hercules, a bugs life, lion king. All really memorable.
>>740662486The Toy Story 2 collect a thon game was pretty good from what I remember of it. Though move tie in games were already a mixed bag of actually good to rushed out shovelware to sell on the popularity of the movie.
>>740662718Croc came out in 1997 when there was indeed fuck-all else>Spyro1998>Ape Escape1999>Rayman 21999 also the PS1 version is easily the worst version of that game ever made>Toy Story 21999pretty much the only decent platformers on the system at that time were Crash and Jumping Flash
>>740662865Take into account that only Crash Bandicoot 1 was on the stores when Croc released. Cortex Strikes Back released a few months after.
>>740661845And then you have those games that were good, but didn't get pc ports or sequels becuse reasons and are mostly forgotten
>>740661846As if. You still have diamond in the rough games on N64 that get little coverage like Jet Force Gemini.
>>740663285Everyone goes on about how Black is this huge masterpiece but it's a completely run of the mill 2000s era FPS.
I'm fucking old, and I remember not liking the N64 anywhere near as much because early 3D was so fucking ugly. It was impressive to be able to move like that, sure. But my choice was: beautiful Link to the Past pixel art on still one of the best controllers of all time, or no fucking frames, characters that looked like they were made of blurry origami, with a horrible controller. There's a reason Symphony of the Night still holds up but Castlevania 3D doesn't.
>>740663285Well I can tell you why BLACK didn't do well. It was an early era console FPS where people were still trying to adjust to using the analog stick for moving the character and the camera respectively. The idea of adding some auto-aim to make it feel better to play didn't really kick in until after Halo.
>>740663415It's COD4, a year and half before and a generation before. Great graphics, great sound design, no health regen, a slog of two last levels and still stuck in console (thank god for emulation). It was ahed of it's time, but that time was long ago and what made it a good game, COD made it standard later on>>740663686It did well, but>In an interview, co-creator and designer Stuart Black revealed that plans for a sequel were underway, but were scrapped due to differences with Electronic Arts
>>740661318This picture is actually an example of the even more modern trend of not even talking about the game and just dropping financial information like that matters at all to the person playing it. This guy can't wrap his head around the fact that people might like one game more than the other, because in his mind they're exactly equal for having made the same amount of money.
>>740661318So you're another falseflagging secondary born after Y2K expecting literal GoaTs instead of major steps forward for their time, got it.Back to your TikTok binge you go.
>>740664128Sales charts really have become the biggest tard-magnets both here and elsewhere for some reason, my favorite one being this Sonicfag I know who will claim superiority for his IP over having a 50k higher sales figure than examples but ignore when others sell 10-20 million over it. Just legitimate cult-like behavior.
>>740664128He can't figure out Croc just blew ass completely and nobody fondly remembers shit about it, let alone the completely forgettable sequel. I've only ever heard people complain about its dogshit level design and the stiff controls when compared to Crash or other platformers of the era. Its like some stupid tryhard pretending Jersey Devil of all things was ever a threat to Nintendo's stranglehold on platformers because they played it once on emulator and think it had actual legs in its era after looking up ancient Consumer Report articles about it
>>740661318I don't care about how much you want to fuck Spyro or Crash because you played them when you were 6, SM64 is the only good 3D platformer to this day and absolutely no lessons were learned from it, not even in Sunshine which committed suicide trying to ape Banjo.
>>740664808I liked the music I'll admit.
>>740664858If it was trying to ape Banjo, then it wasn't the only good one. It means Banjo had some ideas that were better than M64 that Nintendo decided to take those ideas for the follow up game.
>>740664963Yoshi's Island was aping Plok, is Plok a good game? Hint: same answer as Yoshi's Island.
more like Croc of shit!!!
>>740663686>Well I can tell you why BLACK didn't do well. It was an early era console FPSNigger it came out in 2006. Early era console FPS my ass, this was four years after Halo CE set the standard.
>>740661318Croc had the SOVL Banjo lacked. Banjo always felt like a corporate focus group creation.
>>740661318the difference is that banjo-kazooie was a good game and croc was fucking TANK CONTROL garbage on a fucking PLATFORMERsales from way back when are not very impressive either, purchases were not made by knowledgeable customers but clueless boomer parents know their kid likes mascot platformers so they buy everything that fits the bill
>>740664128>>740664790Pure projection on cultists' part, it's not about sales it's about the fact one game is disproportionately represented compared to the amount of people that played it, it demonstrates Nintendo fans compulsive need to rationalize their childhood games in constant video essays
>>740663686Pfff... Jesus.Lmao, you weren't there. BLACK came out when the fucking 360 was already out.
>>740664858>SM64 is the only good 3D platformer>one analog sticklmao
>>740661318>mfw my favorite balloon animal was forgotten
>>740662723no, you are not allowed to
>>740663415I agree, but it was a graphical powerhouse for that generation IMO. Very typical game but the explosions and scale of them were quite good. That being said, it doesn't make it a great game though.
>>740664898The soundtrack slaps.The game is genuinely bad in every conceivable way and the completion is unhinged (don't you want to redo the whole level just to have one (1) attempt at a minigame tucked at the end of every stage that controls like dogshit for a mandatory collectible, or else you have to redo the whole level again, every single time?), but the soundtrack is based.https://youtu.be/JrQn_PMgUvM
>>740665216>purchases were not made by knowledgeable customers but clueless boomer parents know their kid likes mascot platformers so they buy everything that fits the billThis explains 90% of N64 game sales
>>740661318The triple digit IQ takeaway: Banjo Kazooie left a huge impression on the kids who played it while the kids who played Croc have probably forgotten what they were doing that Saturday and never touched it again.
>>740665252>cultists>cultists>cultistsAnything else to say besides your NPC programming and being indoctrinated to hate the "Nintendo fan" in the room with us right now?
>>740665350This is correct, because Banjo Kazooie kids had fuck all else to play and had to obsess over what they had while Croc kids could just move on to the thousands of other games the PS1 had
>>740661684The most popular things are typically the most obscure in the internet's cultural osmosis. Things that sell are typically low-quality crap that's consumed by preschool Chinese and Indians, internet users don't give a shit about those products.
>>740665350Lack of abundance usually causes that, a car ride will leave a bigger impression on kid growing up in poverty than on a kid growing up rich.
>>740661318Tendies absolutely seething at this trvke.
>>740665495You answered your own question, fucktard.
>>740665553What question retard
>>740661318recite one line of dialogue from croc
>>740665040Dunno what some examples picking inspirations for dubious reasons have in common with examples knowledgably picking ideas that people critically liked and therefore wanted more of, same reason why people from the 90's talked positively about both games you're making a poor attempt at an example of.
>>740665608>ad populumNot interested. Is Plok a good game, yes or no?
>>740665582>t. IQlet
>>740661318>"extremely rough half-baked proof-of-concept tech demos whose ideas were fully obsolete just several years later"That only applies to SM64, not OoT
>>740661929Thread probably should have ended here, but /v/ needs to shitpost I guess
>>740661318N64 users were sad, I remember my friend having to play those shitty star wars games because he had nothing else to play, while the rest of us were swapping CDs and playing 3-5 new games a week.Kids were so starved for games that they spent all day trying to find more levels in M64, that's where all the glitching comes from, kids trying to find more to do since they had nothing else to play.
>>740661318The Gex series sold over 15 million, 6 million from just Gex 3 alone.
>>7406613183D PS1 environments were jittery blurry shit. Why do you think the most fondly remembered PS1 games used pre-rendered backgrounds while the most fondly remembered N64 games are the ones that fully utilize 3d environments?
This game sold more than both, so I guess the history of gaming and my memory is wrong. We were all super into Frogger and loved this game.Sales alone never give the full story, OP.
>Nintendo Youtubers are what made N64 games dominate gaming discourse, not the gorillions of famous developers directly stating that they were heavily influenced by games like OoTholy fuck what is wrong with zoomers
>>740661318You're right OP, but tendies will never admit it. This board is unfortunately completely nintendo dominated. Full of manchildren playing baby games into their 30s and 40s. It's impossible to make them realize that the thing that gave them an escape in their formative years could be anything but perfect. They are perfect consumer golems fully ready to defend their megacorporation until death.
>>740666231>3D PS1 environments were jittery blurry shit
>>740666236>He's Back!>>740666324You see, they're also cultists who have been brainwashed you don't understand!
>>740666231>3D PS1 environments were jittery blurry shithmm
>>740666236To be fair, Frogger was already an established name in gaming at that point. The series didn't fall into obscurity until after the PS2 era.
>>740666421>>740666485Okay, now post them in motion.
>>740666410>Full of manchildren playing baby games into their 30s and 40s>Croc is an adult male game>Croc is a better man!Kill yourself faggot.
>>740666231>used pre-rendered backgroundsWhat is>Gran Turismo>Crash>Spyro>Tekken 3>Metal Gear Solid>Driver>Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2>Twisted Metal 2N64tards only whine about pre-rendered because their shitty cartridges couldn't spare the room for the jpeg.
>>740666231>3D PS1 environments were jittery blurry shitlol
>>740661318First 3D game i ever playes as a kid was croc and it almost made me think that 3D games were just ass and that id better stick with sega megadrive.Then i played m64 at a friends place and now im a nintenfriend. Croc is just not very good. If it sold nearly as much as banjo was on there being like thrice as many ps1 machines in the homes. And for good reason. Just croc wasnt one of them.
This thread is just bait, it's rehashing old bait even, but it genuinely does fuck with my head seeing younger people narrating things I lived through and getting details wrong. It makes me worry about how much of our cultural history gets twisted over time in general. All we can do is preserve as much info as we can, and make it easier on the few nerds in the future that care about sorting out the truth of things.
>>740666558But no one here is defending Croc or saying he should have video essays made about him, on the other hand the thread is full of Nintendo fans who are fervently defending essays about Banjo Kazooie instead of being embarrassed by their existence and having to associate with the people who make and watch them
>>740666679Nigger the whole point is that if you're an American who grew up with an N64 *you were the one who grew up in a biased environment* and didn't have the full picture of the actual game world outside your immediate surroundings
>>740661318ask a n64 fan how many hours he has on tony hawk's pro skater 2 or resident evil 2, that's right, they never played anything without the nintendo logo on it
>>740661318Simple rule: n64 favorite console - opinion rejectedThose clowns are too loud
>>740666679Same applies to the internet, it sucks how much of the old internet is gone. For example, you'll see people arguing about what old 4chan was like. It'd be so much easier to shut down bullshit ideas about that, if you could just pull up more archives when the topic comes up.
>>740666614>>740666613Not him but ps1 definitely had some particular struggles with 3D and it was noticeable if you came from an n64. And i was extremely jelly of the fighting games on the ps1 but there's a reason people who had a ps1 barely even bothered learming to use the joystick. The 3D aspect of games was limited enough so using the D-pad was more intuitive in most games.
>>740661769i has this game and played the shit out of it. it was absolute dog shit
>>740666813NTA, I grew up with both and 3D movement and environments were simply better on the N64, especially early in the generation before the dualshock.
>>740661318Mario 64 outsold any PS1 game despite being on a console that sold 1/3rd as many units, the N64 had a small library but the major titles were absolutely more influential than anything on Playstation.
>>740666813The point is that the original post is fallacious retardedness dressed as valuable insight. Croc sold as much as Banjo because there were several times more ps1s in the world as there were n64, not because it was just as good. In spain barely no one had an n64 and the ps1 killed it but i can guarantee that Croc was absolutely not a thing.
best n64 games > best ps1 games > most ps1 games > most n64 games
>>740666941>as kids we could play the shit out of awful games>as adults we won't touch a game due arbitrary meaningless labels such as "rollslop"That should be the real take away from this thread. I want to give myself brain damage and to back.
>>740662686not at all, most of these overrated 3d PSX platformers had restricted movement and extremely generic art direction.Mario 64 was more freeform and that's why it is still played today.
>>740666813Croc was never as big culturally as Banjo Kazooie, no matter where you lived. There was no Croc fandom on the scale of Banjo. It was a game that many played, but most people who played it didn't feel attached to it the same way they got attached to Banjo. Look at GameFAQs for a sample. Unfortunately it only goes back to 2008, but you can see that Croc has 3 pages of discussion going back to 2008, while Banjo has 105.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/196694-banjo-kazooie?page=103https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/197001-croc-legend-of-the-gobbos?page=1Where was the massive cultural impact of Croc that you're imagining? Big Croc fansites and forums? People obsessing over hidden and cut content in Croc? It didn't happen like it did with Banjo.
>>740667105yeah i played croc too, all the way to the end. i know the controls aren't good but as a kid i didn't care at all.
>>740667078Good post and pretty truthful but console warring spergs like OP can't separate his feelings from all the youtube channels he apparently hate watches.
>>740666902>there's a reason people who had a ps1 barely even bothered learming to use the joystickBro, my left thumb stretches more than the right one just because of excessive stick usage, and it was like that by 2004 before I got my ps2, I verified the same thing in other friends who had playstations too. I get your point, some jumps are definitely easier on a d-pad in earlier 3d platformers, but that's in all consolers, including n64 games. Your point is also completely different from the point the anon I replied to was making, i conjured up a list of fondly-remembered 3d games, if I were to talk about good 3d movement I'd be filling up the list with things like jumping flash or speed power gunbike.
>>740666813Is your true seething about America or the N64?Or both?
sony kids were the autists and 64 kids were the normies. I'm 40.
>>740667154Your mistake was assuming the whole croc discussion is honest to begin with
>>740667154Reviews are useful too, since they go back further.22 reviews for Crochttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197001-croc-legend-of-the-gobbos/reviews68 reviews for Banjohttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/n64/196694-banjo-kazooie/reviews
>>740667025>pack in game>only decent game in the console for a good 2 years of lifespanit should've sold more
>>740667078>best n64 game > best ps1 games > best n64 games = many ps1 games > most ps2 games > most n64 gamesftfy
>>740667349The seething about Americans is immutable, and this is a widely accepted fact. You can drop that part of the question, anon.
>>740661662Yet not wrong.
>>740667078Currently as a nintendo guy im not even sure the n64's best is better than the ps1s best because both had great stuff for completely different reasons. And definitely ps1 had more things that were just good. In fact i remember i had to be very careful choosing a game for thr n64 because the selection was tiny and even then you could be buying some blunder. Which is why i ended up with superman and lode runner 3D. It was extremely important to know which one was the game to buy at that particular point, because stores sometimes had like 5 n64 games at times. ps1 always had a bunch of stuff and the bangers were always avaliable and plenty.That said, 3D on the ps1 was kind of ass and theres nothing like mario or zelda on it.>but musashi but spyroall jank, all cope. Ps1 just didnt do 3D action games that well.
>>740667414Mario 64 wasn't a pack-in retard, the N64 was the first time Nintendo released a console without a pack-in title (in America/Europe that is, they never did pack-in titles in Japan). Good job outing yourself zoomer.
>>740665350Croc chads don't have arrested development, thus moved on and aren't obsessed with mascot platformers they played when they were 5 years old, yes.
any random jrpg on ps1 was leagues beyond anything 64 had
>>740667584Metal Gear Solid, Crash Bandicoot, and Resident Evil, all that was great. I agree N64 did 3D action games better, but games like Ape Escape are still awesome. I probably did spend more time on RPGs with PSX than anything else though.
>>740667591https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/Pack-in_gamehello nigger
>>740667897>>740667591Super Mario 64 was later included in system bundles, but it wasn't a pack-in when initially released.
>>740667897>>740668034That shit was not standard with the console by any means, the bundle itself was only released in parts of Europe and in limited quantities.
The thing I really don't like about the modern Internet is the fact that fuckers will dress up their batshit insane takes with a paragraph of flowery language and barely-relevant statistics. Niggas can't just say that they think the N64 is overrated any more, they have to construct a whole goddamn narrative about how the only reason that N64 games are popular is because faggots on Youtube started talking about them 25+ years after the fact.
>>740667274>jumps are definitely easier on a d-pad in earlier 3d platformers, but that's in all consolers, including n64 gamesMario 64 on a d-pad is a miserable experience, and the d-pad was not even usable in like 95% of the n64's catalogue but okay.In any case i dont deny that you may have gotten used to the sticks on the ps1 but the games certainly didnt push people into using joysticks because 95% of the games just werent built around it. I remember clearly all people who had ps got used to the stick on the ps2, not before. And sure tomb raider and crash work better with a d-pad. These were great games, but as 3D experiences were quite limited. Tomb raider seems like a very open 3D game but movement and obstacles are tile-based, and the organic inputs of a stick would make it harder, not easier.
>>740663285darkwatch had cool ragdolls/animations for its time desualso the good/evil thing was kino
m64 is easily the most overrated game of all time by far. it's an average 3d platformer. compare it to super mario world which was phenomenal
>>740668127Yeah I agree with you, I was just clarifying that >the N64 was the first time Nintendo released a console without a pack-in titleWas correct despite it technically being a pack-in title later on in Europe.
>>740668152The whole youtube argument is so stupid, they're mixing up cause and effect. Youtubers talked about games like Ocarina of Time a lot because they were already popular, they didn't make them popular.
>>740667636>don't have arrested development>seethe on xitter and here years later over losing to BanjoUh huh.
>>740668154There's a huge difference between "some jumps" and "the entirety of Mario 64", but I guess reading is too much to expect from a n64 fan, almost no RPGs after all.Also, you're pivoting away from the original argument again. Still, as 3d experiences, playstation games were better just because they were overall better than 99% of n64 games. The average experience of playing a n64 game consisted of either powering through unplayable slop or through the same game you had been playing for over 3 years. The n64 had no games, just stockholm syndrome.
>>740668152I really do not understand what causes this level of toasted anus either. There are a shit ton of MGS, RE, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo, Spyro, Crash, etc... But the Nintendo 64 videos are just completely unforgivable. I have never seen people(probably just a handful of autists) be so anally destroyed by one console's legacy.
>>740668574>There are a shit ton of MGS, RE, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo, Spyro, Crash, etc...videos* I meant to say
>>740668247Yeah but even without those sales it would still be above the best selling PS1 title. Even high-balling the production numbers for the bundles it's only around 250k console bundles across all of Europe.
>>740668754I've got to admit, the bundle sales were way less than I expected.
>>740668202Different types of games. Yoshi's Island is a better comparison.
It's disheartening to be, unironically, a nintendo fan in these threads. I genuinelly think the company develops unique games with a consistently high quality of gameplay, has the best console of all times (SNES), and that m64 and OOT are great games.Still, sharing fandom with n64 fans feels like being stuck in a room with one guy eating his own shit at the corner.The n64 is, by far, one of the worst consoles of all times, has barely any playable titles, atrocious controller design, and last-season storage capacity in its media. Capcom's output alone on the psx makes it questionable to get a n64 instead, with 4 megaman titles on it, no BoF or MvC, that's already almost the entire playable catalog of the n64. Add that to the distinct lack fightans and RPGs, the n64 was a punishment upon the kid who got it. The kid that had a Saturn had a better time.
>>740669618>the n64 was a punishment upon the kid who got it. I had both (I liked the n64 better cause it had mario party 2 and iggy's reckin balls)
>>740669618>atrocious controller designI don't see the issue with it, unless you're holding it wrong. Depends on the genre I suppose, I wouldn't want to play a 2D fighter on it (not that there were many to play anyway).>the n64 was a punishment upon the kid who got it>The kid that had a Saturn had a better time.Nah. I was a kid with all three, and n64 had plenty. Basically what >>740667078 said. There were fewer games, but the ones it had were great. Plus the multiplayer alone would've made it worthwhile, it was the console everybody played with friends and at birthday parties.I loved my Saturn (still do), but the N64 got more playtime.
>>740669896>I had bothI have both still, nonpoint.>>740670251>it was the console everybody played with friends and at birthday parties.Parties meant either Fightans or Twisted Metal, ocasional Bomberman. On the Saturn, did it get less playtime because the muliplats (that weren't on the n64) were played on the playstation?
>>740669618Amazing false flag!Anything else you want to share OP?
>>740662497WHERE'S BLASTO
>>740667138Restricted movement is not bad. Restrictions and limitations make for better games.
>>740669618>The n64 is, by far, one of the worst consoles of all times, has barely any playable titles, atrocious controller design, and last-season storage capacity in its media. Capcom's output alone on the psx makes it questionable to get a n64 instead, with 4 megaman titles on it, no BoF or MvC, that's already almost the entire playable catalog of the n64. Add that to the distinct lack fightans and RPGs, the n64 was a punishment upon the kid who got it. The kid that had a Saturn had a better time.If any of this were true you wouldn't have the guy making these threads every week for 4+ years.
>>740667138The only reason you think freeform is superior is because Nintendo happened to have it in SM64, when Nintendo's games have limited but tuned design you praise that instead
>>740670689clearly you haven't played mario party 2 or iggy's reckin' balls
>>740670251Actually, let me revise >>740667078 a bit, the most ps1 games > most n64 games is off, because PSX had a bunch of garbage. I'd say N64 games were better on average even.It's just the Playstation had so many games that there were still more good games on it than the total number of N64 games.>>740670689Saturn Bomberman was amazing, best Bomberman game. I played at least some multiplatform games on Saturn back then, like I had the Saturn Tomb Raider. The Saturn was better for 2D fighting games and had cool 3D fighting games like Virtua Fighter/Fighting Vipers, but the Playstation had Tekken 3 which I played more of than any of those in the end. We did play Saturn at a couple parties, Fighting Vipers and Tomb Raider at one, while the other party was more like a kid showing off Saturn when it was new. Played Bug! at that one, it was impressive at the time.
>>740671827Playing Tomb Raider at the party was funny, because one of the kids was pressing his face against the screen to look at Lara's triangle tits.
>>740661318My theory is that early internet was dominated by americansEnglish language + Rich + 300 million population overshadowed everyone else in internet reachThrough this domination they wrote the zeitgeistAngry videogame nerd talked about Nintendo games to millions while Cyke Blyat the C64 kurwa wasn’t
>>740672445Jesus fuck, you retards are stupid.
>>740667584>That said, 3D on the ps1 was kind of ass and theres nothing like mario or zelda on it.Legacy of Kain Soul Reaver, Ape Escape, Spyro, Toy Story 2, Mega Man Legends, MediEvil, Sheep Raider, Tail Concerto, Muppet Monster Adventure
>>740672724Except it's literally true
>>740672445Theory? Anon, that data fucking exists. America was the majority of people online until it switched over to shitholes like India and China. Anyone who bitches about the American perspective being the standard online is bitching about the way the internet has historically thought in favor of how it now thinks.
The best PS1 games are better than N64's best. Even like SOTN is better than any n64 game.
>>740668518CrocKINGS won. Seethe
>>740672445The gaming industry itself was dominated by America and Japan in the 90s. Not to say other regions didn't contribute or matter, but those were the centers both culturally and financially.
>>740661318I liked that game too.
>>740673563Europeans, Brits especially, really hate being reminded that shit like the ZX spectrum was barely a footnote in gaming popular culture and Nintendo, even though it basically didn't exist for them back at the turn of the century, was in fact popular.
>>740661318Mega Man Legends sold way less than Croc, yet it gets more discussion. Must be the evil YouTubers.
>>740674254Mega Man is an evergreen franchise
>>740673098Where did I say it wasn't?He(You) are just fucking stupid. Now go ahead and post "American" PS1 sales to prove your retarded point as moronic.
>>740673563>>740673920Obviously Western Europe (especially the UK) was significant too
>>740671407It was designed to have freeform movement, that's why most of the missions occur on the same map.>>740670970for 3d psx platformers, it is inferior because it becomes a matter of memorization.
>>740674614Smaller market, but UK developers made a lot of big and important games
>>740674958>that's why most of the missions occur on the same map.No that's because they ran out of time and had to rush out the game with whatever they had before their competition beat them to the punch
why did americans get so brainwashed by nintendo and why did they miss out on playstation 1? tomb raider alone mogs oot and m64, aged much better
>>740661318Yes, most people google "Top 10 best games" and base their gamer personality off the results. it's old news
>this nigger keeps samefagging after getting btfo on /vr/
>>740675453that's better than zoomers who obsess over sales numbers
>>740675375Americans sure as hell didn't miss out on Playstation, it was hugely popular. Just because people liked N64 doesn't mean they didn't like PSX. Plenty of people had both too. Never got into Tomb Raider as much as OoT or Mario 64, personally. I should try replaying it sometime.
>>740661318You know Croc is trash because this is the only way to start a discussion about it.
>>740675375They didn't miss out on the PS1 at all, it sold twice as much as the N64 here, it just didn't sell like 100x more as it did in Europe. The amount people talked about N64 titles is still higher than you can understand because of that.
>>740665520>Things that sell are typically low-quality crap that's consumed by preschool Chinese and Indiansthe users with the best systems and income
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>>740675315i disagree, the objectives force you to use different mechanics and it makes you optimize your approach. mario 64 is the quake of platformers
>>740661769I say this like this
>>740676931>the objectives force you to use different mechanics and it makes you optimize your approachThey really don't, it'd be cool if they did but the game is piss easy with the most basic mechanics and jumps
It's a weird thing. As a European, games like Monkey Island, The Lion King or Aladdin were way bigger than Mario or Donkey Kong. I also never met a single person who owned Ocarina of Time but every single one of my classmates had played FF7 and Resident Evil 2.
>>740676818Oh Crocfag, you're no Steve.
>>740661318It's because the N64 was most popular in the US and most of the people making these videos are millennials that grew up with those Nintendo games.
Sorry Banjo but the hotter one gets all the sales
>>740678532>It's because the N64 was most popularCulturally? SureAs in actual sales, fuck no, N64 was behind in every market, no exceptions
>>740663415You don't know what a run of the mill 2000s era FPS is.
>>740679481He just means N64 sold more in the US than any other region.Roughly:>The Americas (primarily USA): ~20.6 million units>Europe and Australia: ~6.7 million unitsJapan: >Japan ~5.5 million unitsSo two-thirds of the sales were in the US.
>>740679481He's saying that the US was the N64's biggest market, I think. Which is objectively true. The PS1 went like four to one with it in Japan but only two to one in the US.The specific bias on the earlier internet towards the N64 is probably thanks to the bias of who was using the internet at the time. In America, the N64 belonged to basically the same demographic as the internet itself while the PS1 spread across some of that demographic plus a lower income bracket.
