What makes her the best nu-Xiv character?
>>740728062She's muh queen
Cutie genki fantasy japanese girl. It automatically makes her supersede 99.99% of any and all characters.
>>740728062she's not much to really write home about overall, but she's actually got an arc to go through in the limited patch cycle time and does kinda interesting things that make sense for her to do versus everyone having rocks for brains the rest of the expansion.
>>740728062It helps that she doesn't cause physical pain to look at
if your battle high gauge doesn't look like this by the end of the match then you're not playing the game right
>>740728062Wait a minute>Jacket is zipped up>Zipper is at the bottomwtf?
>>740728062>cute, dumb, innocent, goody two shoesin a better timeline she married Zoraal Ja and fixed him with coffee or some gay shit and they raised his dumb bratty ugly bastard lizard kid together. But the retarded incel had to wife a fucking robot didn't he.
>>740728553There are two zippers.
>>740728553It zips down for fashion reasonsI'm more surprised they gave her daisy dukes with visible pocket liners
>>740728631based decision
>>740728062They knew they had a fire character in the barrel when they first teased her Endless design way before Dawntrail's launch. Post the expansion now, they can finally develop her with a more modern direction.
>>740728812>literally how do you do fellow citizens design but it works
>>740728883Can we take her with us? Leave cat and also cat in charge of Alexandria too?
>>740728062Cute, and her reactions and interactions are a lot more grounded and endearing. She's also alot more aware of her limitations, and is more somber and introspective than expected.
I thought she was evil or something?
>>740729165That was her robot double-Gengar made because Alexandrians are emotionally fragile and couldn't handle the death of their ruler. She caught lightning disease and was put into stasis. She woke up after the system was shut down and was cured
>>740729165Vtuber Sphene was stupid evil, real Sphene was good
ffxiv is so dead trannies have to resort to spamming a mid character
>>740728062You only like her because she's cute. She's not a good character outside of aesthetics. This applies to pretty much every female character in this game.
>>740728062Speen is extremely cute and had great raid music
>>740729416>She's not a good characterHow so?
Kissu chuu chuu chuu cute wife's chuuable lips.
>>740729663I don't think she liked that
>>740728062>What makes her the best nu-Xiv character?pic rel
>>740729882>Similar hairstyle
>>740729764she's mad because my WoL still hasn't shown her his shy wol
>>740728883she cute
>>740729307Oh wait I forgot I don't give two shits about this game after Endwalker.
>>740730008no, SHE cute
>>740728062spheenis
>>740730245sphene's sphenis
>>740730008gota say, I like this look more than the old wolf ears one
generals belong in /vg/
baldo unbanned yet?
>>740730749who tf cares
They didn't ban the story skipper yet? I know he made an alt but he doesn't ever play the game. Why is he allowed to touch fringe content?
>>740730850I care
ONE BRINGS GARNET, ONE BRINGS SPHENE
>Ghoulash Poutage still hasn't clapbacked the allegations
Rank the Dawntrail Extremes
>>740731521i didnt do any of them out of 10
>>740729542NTA but she barely has any personality and her "arc" is about as shallow as it getsshe's literally only popular because she's a fuckable anime girl, same as Alisaie or Gaia or Venat or 4$
Didn't they say they want to make a clear cut in the story so that new players don't have to play through 10 fucking expansions before they can play endgame content? I skipped this expansion and I don't want to play it once the new one comes out.
>>740729542Just boring and forgettable. I legit don't even remember what her arc was, if she wasn't hot I'd have probably completely forgotten she existed already. She's good compared to everything else in dawntrail but that's an incredibly low bar.
>>740729542Ugh she's such a pickme...
>>740731891
>every major release this year prominently features a tomboythis is gonna be the "Alisaie grows up and cuts her hair" expansionI can feel it in my bones
>>740732761Don't tempt me. Her waffling between anger and fawning adoration got really old.Or did you just mean "grows up" in the sense she finally gets her weirdass Elezen second puberty?
>>740728178Oh look, we got John Fantasy over here...
>>740732924>wafflingit's all fawning adoration anon, she desperately wants (You) to see her as an equal (and a woman) and gets frustrated when you get yet another protag powerupbut yes hopefully she finally gets over that
>>740733349It really pissed me off that she suddenly became Wuk's cheerleader
>>740729416true, btw my favorite character is erenville
FFXIV: Combat Devolved
>>740728062long slender legs and firm butt
>>740733798I almost threw up when she called her "Lamaty'i" and I don't even like Alisaie
>>740734049It's definitely a copout in order for their controller players to be able to continue playing the game, They better impress with their next showings of evolved jobs because the first 3 were totally a disaster for me in terms of identity and player interactivity. Say what you want about the 2 minute meta, but at least it allowed for you to interact with other players, even in the most minuscule of ways. What is SE's answer to this problem? Well, they'll just shift + select all and delete it, replacing it with absolutely nothing. Placing every single job design on one guys head is just outrageously stupid, but a peak Square Enix move.
>>740728062Killed any interest I had in the game, literally went from steampunk/dieselpunk with bits of older lost technology around here and there to a literal cyberpunk city sitting 5 feet away from a bunch of no shoe spear chuckers, it's literally "if you can accept fantasy and dragons you HAVE to accept my 2026 F-150 Coyote 5.0L V8!!!"
>>740734702>Say what you want about the 2 minute meta, but at least it allowed for you to interact with other players, even in the most minuscule of ways.The two minute meta is not an interaction exactly because it all aligns itself every two minutes. There's no conscious decision to align everything with your party and get a bonus for it like there was in previous expansions, it autoplays.With evolved mode we have BRD buffs that protect the party so your skill as a BRD is about using them at the ideal times to get the most use. That's already more party interaction than pressing Radiant Finale every two minutes has. WHM can forego party heals and do targeted heals instead to get more Sanctuary charges. PLD's Cover now charges them to the party member they're protecting, meaning positioning is important. You're out of your fucking mind if you think evolved mode somehow has less party interaction.
I find it kind of pointless to debate evolved mode until we see more
>>740734702>muh player interactivityyou're a complete retard if you think slapping your government-mandated 5% damage boost button every 2 minutes was a meaningful interaction with your party members
>>740735420i've already decided what it is therefore the discussion is over
>just wait until we see more at eu fanfest>just wait until we see more at jp fanfest>just wait until we see the job action trailer>just wait until we actually get our hands on it>just wait until 9.0 this is a good foundation to build on>just wait until 10.0 this is a good foundation to build on>just wait until 11.0 this is a good foundation to build on
>>740736035
BLU mage should be the "solo old dead content" job. It's time for BLU to be able to enter Eureka.
>>740736140>solo old dead contentso anything older than 4 weeks?
Halmarut will be the true standout character from Dawntrail, and will end up with 10x the amount of fanart compared to troon cat and the lame queen
>>740736035previously I would have agreed with you, but as of right now you're genuinely just seething at nothing
>>740728062She's cute and likes you.
>>740736626god I just want to punch her in the stomach
>>740736035sad but true
>>740735679I'm not going to reply to you because I just think you're a retard not worth talking to, since you just make assumptions like a woman.>>740735124What they had shown off feels like a little lie they are either telling us, or completely believe themselves. What they had shown off looks more akin to role identity, rather than job identity. Sure, the info we have is very limited, and I'd love to be proven wrong. They've already stated that the Paladin parry mechanic is a main tank feature, so it's not unique to Paladin, not to mention this is something that every tank already does (using cool-downs lest second to maximize its usefulness). So what exactly is Paladins evolved identity that has jumped up over its current nearly identity-less form? It has cover? Some of the things with bard looks interesting, like the cast bars. Everything else in the ensemble I look at doesn't make sense, and also doesn't make the job more interesting. Look at every button they give you, and think about what you're going to be doing on the job. You're going to be spending a lot of time pressing 1 over and over again on most of these jobs for 11-20 seconds, then you're going to be hitting 3 buttons that are not 1 and then using your Overwatch ultimate ability before returning to smash 1 some more. It's a bit hard to tell where the identity lies in any of that, but they didn't really show us any jobs that would have overlapping identity. It's just extremely aggravating that they decided to do that.
>>740736035What I saw at NA fanfest was good. I'm excited to see more!
>>740736035fortunately this "game" will never see a 9.0
>>740736760>god I just want to punch her in the cervix. with my penis, repeatedly.Fixed that for you chief.
>>740737245yea just like 7.0 was the end and it was going in to maintenance mode.2 more weeks bro
>>740736035>I can't wait to see more at eu fanfest>I can't wait to see more at jp fanfest>I can't wait to see the job action trailer>I can't wait to get my hands on it
Yeah I need Speenporn
I will only sub to this game again if they bring back miqotes ear holes and ear sockets on headpieces.A few sets from the FF 11 alliance have 'em, and even have a tail hole too that makes the chest piece differs from miqotes to other races. They need to bring back this level of attention to details that they had back in ARR and HW
>>740737015PLD and BRD have a bunch of defensive utility and are otherwise the retard-proof girlfriend classesthat's their identitythey even kept stressing that "these jobs are appealing because they're so simple"you may actually have a learning disability
>>"Job homogenisation is bad, we're going to redesign every job to make it more unique.">>"Here's WHM, its identity is a straightforward healer so we kept it simple.">NOOOOOOO YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE ALL THE HEALERS EXACTLY THE SAME STOP ITTTTT
>>740735124>PLD's Cover now charges them to the party member they're protecting, meaning positioning is importantOh yeah I can't wait to cover a recovering healer right before a tankbuster is about to go off, that way instead of dying to the aoe non-tank party stack mechanic, it dies to my aoe tankbuster instead because I couldn't cover from a distance
Pooh Shiesty just subscribed to FF15-1
>>740737015>this is something that every tank already does (using cool-downs lest second to maximize its usefulness)None of them reward you with a dps gain, let alone a GCD one that breaks up your rotation by replacing filler. Even TBN is just damage-neutral. Your reward for perfect mitigation timing right now is that it only takes 2 ticks of Kardia to heal you back to full instead of 3.
>>740738327Yeah the only thing you "wait til the last second" for is to interrupt a spellcast so that the amount of time the enemy wastes on casting is maximized>>740737015Also what is this shit about "Bard cast bars" being interesting? Bards has cast bars in Heavensward and it was FUCKING AWFUL, Bow Mage is NOT fun, don't let that shit deceive you.
>>740738074Yeah, you'll have to think more carefully about your skill usage. Combat devolved.
>>740738074zamn, maybe now you'll have to likecover and then move away or somethingalmost like.... positioning is more important now .....
>>740738642Tell me you don't play Tank without actually saying so. Not a good one, at least.
Speen is great. >500 years out of time>everyone she knows is dead>regal and kind>learning how to be a zoemancer>hiroi cant write worth shit>send her ass to the bench. its crazy how much hiroi should be killed by yakuza ninjas.
Cast times are good.Positionals are good.Fail states are good.Tradeoffs are good.Buttons that don't have to be pressed in the exact same order every minute of every fight are good.
>>740737990It's funny really, WHM is the most bare bones basic healer in the franchise besides hitting hit with holy damage, what were people expecting
>>740738919>Buttons that don't have to be pressed in the exact same order every minute of every fight are good.DNC PCT and VPR already have this, outside their 2min cooldowns, priority system. I don't expect a huge difference honestly>>740739003WHM has always been that and should stay that. Also, rebrand it to be Holy from the start, get rid of that Nature shit at low lvls, and fuck Lillies, they're a stupid mechanic that only exists so they didn't feel left out of having a Bonus Class Resource/Gauge
>>740738919Good thing devolved has none of these things other than the mindless button mash press whatever whenever combat.
Culty is having a meltdown lmao
>>740739135you will use the flowersyou will use the sparklesyou will wear the lore appropriate panties
>>740738919>Fail states are good.See, I both agree and disagree with this.I agree because you SHOULD be able to fail because you put no thought into your rotation. Fuck you, learn to play correctly.But I disagree because, since it's an MMO, we're carrying the faggots from the previous statement through the content ANYWAYS. They'll die 15 times in a 4min fight, and do more dps to the Healers' mana bar than the boss but still get a clear, still get gear, still get clears. And then we're stuck with these awful, AWFUL dipshits constantly. Because while there is a PERSONAL fail state...there is no group fail state in an MMO that would survive long term.
>740728062>"What makes her the best [TEXT HERE]">always lolishityou like being filtered as a fetish huh, anon
>>740739156Sovl
>>740731521Extremes feel so retarded and pointless if you already cleared the current tier multiple times and dont give a shit about the mount that you'll lose to some shitter anyway.
>>740738719use cover one gcd earlier and then move out of the way, numbnutsdo you think you can manage that?that's fine if you can't, because there's another tank and another healer and a BRD and either a RDM or a SMN that can also assist the healer in this incredibly niche scenario where you would need to use cover exactly in the middle of a tankbuster
>>740739654Cover itself is frankly a niche skill to begin with. The times it's actually been useful I can count on two hands, probably just one even. Doubly so because it costs Shield Gauge
>>740737990Ngl all the people saying all healers will be the same are retarded , pvp healers play nothing alike
>>740737952The promised identity. They promised individuality at the showcase. So they cut PLD down from 30 buttons down to 16, but they've added nothing new. They added 'parry', and the parry is part of the Main Tank identity. Where are we assuming the PLD identity is coming from any of this? What in its new kit is going to set it apart meaningfully from the other tanks or the other MT. It doesn't matter if it's fun when they made huge promises of identity during the showcase. I'm very sorry, but if you think cover is enough to be an identity to set yourself apart from the other tanks then you just have low standards or haven't thought about how they've designed this game for the last 14 years. >>740738327Again, this isn't a new mechanic. It was already in the game and to a degree still exists, but it's also not a unique feature for PLD, it is a main tank role feature. My major issue here is that having complete uniqueness between 23 jobs with the way they want to balance this game feels like an impossibility, and what they're actually giving us is role identity. I want to be realistic with what they had shown us, and seeing people cheer about the 1-1-1 condensing of jobs without giving us anything in return, regardless of how you feel about the 1-1-1 combo.I think you can infer a lot more than you think about these changes, regardless of what they've shown. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, but I have a lot of doubts that they can deliver on the individually as they promised and keep the jobs dynamic like they promised. Look at WHM, you can tell that Mister Prime does not particularly enjoy healing. Immediately from the evolved showcase you can tell he does not understand what makes healing fun. Unless you know that spark of joy from playing a job well, then you're not qualified to design it. They've removed the blood lilly system and removed any failure conditions, which is very bad optics for a job that is currently so boring.
So is devolved cover actually mega super high IQ compared to current cover or piss easy simple? You can't seem to make up your mind.
He's back from his vacation.Video game generals belong on /vg/
>>740728062>discover treno still surviving after all this time>oh cool! wonder what sphene thinks of this!>sphene fucks off and krile becomes the main focus for the rest of the patch despite already having wrapped up her lore at the end of 7.0>afterwards sphene fucks off for good because "my duties without any fanfare"such bullshit. the whole expansion would be better without the wuk and krile segments. give more time for the events concerning the ninth. doesn't even make sense that the milala are the only ones in treno.only one tiny reference to treno's card tournament and auction house. they could have had so much more content.
>>740731763People always say how the MSQ is the great filter but I unironically would want them to let people skip the fucking story so that more raiders can come into the endgame. The amount of retards running end game right now is already awful and it cant get much worst.
>>740738074>i have to consider the situation and the condition of my party members before i use a skillNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>740728062bakool jaja is better
this is your gamenever forget that
When ever frozen silver walker pre-orders come out are you able to activate it and play ew>dt?
>It is NOT an easy mode! It is NOT an easy mode! It is NOT an easy mode!
goddamn this peanut butter strawberry jam sandwich is BUSSIN on god fr fr no capp. bout to wash it down with some pineapple koolaid sHEEsh
>>740739807>Where are we assuming the PLD identity is coming from any of this?maybe the part where the devs explicitly fucking said "PLD is popular because it's so straightforward, and we wanted to keep that"you absolute buffoon
>>740739903wukkoanagulool jarandom ass shale and geodewhat an awful expansion. all it had to be was wol making sure krile doesnt get killed while she follows her grandpas steps.
>>740740021when did they do an overwatch crossover? is yoshi-p finally honoring blizzard after ripping off WoW?
And everyone complaining about Evolved is probably already using XIV Combos / Wrath Combos and have no way to prove to the contrary without showing they're some schizo.
>>740740379How the fuck does that make any sense?
Tranny game, tranny thread
>>740740021>lesbian representation in new cosmic zone>rainbow and "cotton candy" mounts release during pride monthYeah I'm thinking /ourgal/ is still running things.
>>740740263That's not an identity, that is a design approach. When a PLD joins your party for a raid will you say, wow glad we have a PLD in our group because he brings easy to play straight forward gameplay to the table? What unique feature did PLD have in the showcase? It wasn't parry. Having 1-1-1 -> big attack is not an identity, because everyone will be using 1-1-1 -> big attack.
>>740740056a pre-order does not unlock EW/DT unfortunately, you'll need to wait for evercold release in january unless you buy DT before then.
>>740740951>That's not an identitywell clearly the devs disagree, because they stressed that point multiple times>what unique feature did PLD haveall of the unique features they have now, you fucking idiotdo you think DRK is going to suddenly have Cover or Clemency or Passage or Veil? do you think WAR is going to suddenly have a ranged magic phase?
>>740728062I think it's funny that we redeem the demiurge.
>>740741427I think he's more getting at the fact that PLD is the "Main" tank and the identity will be LESS of the Ranged Magic phase and more "The 'Proper' Tank with more mits and party survival focus/healing" while, let's say DRK, being an Offtank cuck now, is going to be more focused on supportive mitigation for the team rather than himself and dps, losing any "proper" Main Tank style skills since nigga doesn't have a Shield, just a big-ass sword which is traditionally seen as DPS.Honestly, I think DRK and GNB both should've been dps classes, neither makes sense as a tank. DRK should just basically be a DPS PLD but Dark instead of Light, with "ranged magic" phases.
>>740741826To add on: Identity isn't about specific skills per se, it's about the overall idea: PLD is a Healing Tank. Even though right now, WAR heals more than PLD does despite PLD having a canon reason of always having done so in previous FFs while WAR is just...some nigga with an axe. Who apparently wields it so hard it heals him every 30 seconds.
god I hope they just revert BLM to 6.0 BLMlike it was the best iteration of the job, and they removed ice paradox for some retarded reason I dont know why too. The job was literally somehow more perfect than ShB BLMand I just hate that every job comes with their gauges prefilled when you enter an instance now instead of buliding towards your giga skills to spike in the middle of the fightits so gay
>>740742226I mean the insta-fill makes sense for Healers because waiting on literally-time-based bars to fill when that's half your kit and you need that shit for wall pulls immediately, sucks ass. But agreed otherwise.
>catching up with the story>game gives me a giggle
>>740742498even erenville was shit.
>>740742498We all agreed with that line, it's the one true line of the whole expansion.
>>740742556i didnt say otherwise, i just thought it was funny.
>>740736626I am literally indifferent towards this soulless ginger lizard.like, girl, I beat your guys, I beat your guys' bosses, I beat the evil thingy your bosses were crapping their geriatric diapers over. how about I take my stupid retard cat vacation and go on to the NEXT vacation while YOU save the fucking world this time around?>b-but you just ruined her world sav-WITHOUT cheap retard suicidal bullshit?
>>740742603Yes and? That is based.
>>740742751>BUT WHAT IF YOU DIDNT HAVE BREAKFAST WOLyea her whole new shtick is lame. anything prior to 8.0 is going to get retconned anyways.
>>740728062Everyone wants to have sex with herFucked they didn't have her show up in the final arcadion tier to cheer you on though
>>740741826>>740741989For all the talk about main tank off tank. I hope it'll actually matter for once in regular content outside of savage raids and current patch extremes. I'm tired of half my tank and healer abilities seeing no real use most of the time. They need redesigned dungeons and fights alongside the new job system. Have enemies that will ignore aggro and specially go after certain rolls sometimes alongside some other mechanics. Otherwise when are you actually going to use something like Cover or another support mitigation? And healing never requires anything of you since no one takes any damage.
>>740743009Agreed. We haven't seen Tank-Ignoring mobs since...well, technically the one tree boss in Titania, but besides that, Heavensward was the last time they used it regularly, e.g; the bulky arm-swipe dragons in the dungeons and I think some in the Steps of Faith ignored tanks too. We need shit that *can't* be tanked so that offtank mits that're for party members actually see use, and non-tanks have to pay attention again
>>740743154Yeah more of that would be cool. DPS have also always had clemency and their own mitigation actions only see use in very specific content. All of these job changes will mean squat if we still don't have to actually interact with the game.
>>740743009you are not the main character tranny.
>The reason why we are changing every job is because we designed ourselves into a hole we cannot get out of where every boss needs to have a paused down-time state so that players can use their 2 minute bursts.>Please ignore the fact that before Endwalker we had no issue making players use their burst abilities during mechanics.>Please ignore Kefka Ultimate entirely. It's just not possible.They've used this excuse to remove player agency and friction that makes playing jobs satisfying. Now we're moving into a friction-less future, again and everyone is clapping when every time this has happened people have gotten more and more bored of the gameplay. You've pulled the wool over your own eyes because something sparkly has been put in front of you, but you haven't yet put in the critical thinking it takes to see what direction this is going.
>>740744330>Please ignore the fact that before Endwalker we had no issue making players use their burst abilities during mechanics.Lil newnigger doesn't know that ShB had a six minute meta?>Please ignore Kefka Ultimate entirely.Designed for the new system.
>>740732761i hope she's not present at allmy hot take is that alisaie was the wuk of xiv before wuk existed
I want to get into caster and physical range. What is the most fun job from caster and physical range?
>>740745004there's no fun phys ranged atm. sorrypictomancer is the funnest caster imo
>>740745109Pct looks complicated to play. Am I wrong?
>m-muh two minute meta!!!!
>>740742603dis nigga ain't going to azimborea
>>740745306Completely. Picto Opener:Pre-cast Rainbow Drip if the tank lets you, then drop your 2min cooldown aoe, stay inside it, use Starry Sky, cast do your 1 2 3 Fire/Ice/Lightning combo while popping your first painting skill after Fire, then prep your Hammer attack after Ice, then after casting Lightning, use the Dark Holy skill whose name escapes me atm which triggers the final proc of your aoe area and lets you insta-cast Rainbow Drip, followed by your 3 hammer hits to finish the burst.Otherwise it's just "Spam 1 2 3 in order, re-paint when you have an opening, and use those skills on cooldown unless you're about to drop another Muse aoe area. There is no effort behind it, it's way more straightforward than BLM or SMN will ever be. Paint, cast, paint, cast, burst.
>>740745306Yes
>>740745793>Pre-cast Rainbow Drip if the tank lets you, then drop your 2min cooldown aoe,You already fucked it up.
>>740745931Retard
>>740744330This.
ffxiv combat isn't fun at allraiding isn't fun at alli wish devs would stop catering to the 1% of players that bother to raid
>>740746096If you're going straight from Rainbow Drip into Starry Muse then you're going into your two minutes without Moogle prepped, you fucking idiot. Shut your mouth if you don't know what you're talking about.
this thread isnt doing gangbusters since your prison sentence OP
>>740746198It's just a free cast before pull. If the boss is already aggro then yes I agree. But if they actually give a /countdown, pre-casting at 4seconds is ideal for a boost in starting dmg
>>740744330How is evolved less agency than what we have no? How is evolved less friction than what we have now?
>>740746414>It's just a free cast before pull.You're not understanding what I'm saying. The problem is not the precast Rainbow Drip. The problem is that you're weaving it straight into Starry Muse, meaning you haven't prepped Moogle, which means you'll be spending 3 extra seconds in your burst window needlessly painting Winged Muse if you want to get Moogle out. What you do is precast Rainbow Drip -> weave Pom Muse and Hammer prep -> paint your Wing -> weave Starry Muse and begin your burst with Moogle stocked and ready to fire
>>740746525>>740746198What does this have to do with Sphene? Please stay on topic.
>>740745793>it's way more straightforward than BLM or SMN will ever be>SMNWhat timeline are you living in and how do I get there so I can go back to playing my favorite class and not actively losing brain cells?
>>740746517The jobs are near frictionless already. There's zero decision making, zero opportunity to express any form of skill. You are on your railroad track and you will use your press X to awesome button every 30 seconds. Look at this list of every time they've pruned or changed a job in the past where they have not added anything meaningful or complexity back in to compensate. We have gotten to where we're at now because they've slowly but surely removed every aspect of friction from the game, now with the excuse of content design limiting them. So now you're suddenly just going to blindly trust that they're fixing everything, even AFTER seeing the Evolved demo? There's even less room for error than there is now.
>>740734702>Say what you want about the 2 minute meta, but at least it allowed for you to interact with other players, even in the most minuscule of waysthis is so idiotic I think it gave me brain damage, I can't even see straight anymore
>>740747226>Say you don't like pancakes>So you love waffles? Fuck youI know a lot of women play XIV, but come on.
Man I enjoyed myself even when going through the slog that was the ARR filler quest line for Titan. 7.0 is boring me to death man. Just got the section where the train is broken. I want to make it to the point where Hiroi gets taken off, but this is difficult. Sub runs out today and am contemplating whether to resub or wait a few months.
>>740746101TRVKE. This is also why they can't put any long term grinds in the game like merit points or something.
>>740747563There’s 0 reason to resub before 7.56.
>>740747392finally, I'm fembrained enough that someone thinks I'm really a woman.... thank you...
>>740746525Even though it "feels" like a loss having to repaint in combat, you're right, thanks anon. That's probably what's keeping me in the high purples/low oranges
>>740747167Been saying this for years but everyone just shat on me instead, I dropped the game completely mid-shb.Stormblood was the peak of the game's gameplay and it has never reached that same level again.I will say though that out of the top of my head, your ranged abilities not breaking combos is a good change for what it's worth.
>>740747563I just skipped almost the entirety of the main 7.0 quests. The early ones that were still at lvl90 were the biggest slog I have ever had to sit through in my life and it took literal months of forcing myself to progress it, eventually I just said fuck it and started skipping it all.I do not feel bad about it either because the constant wuk being forced down your throat is so apparent even when you skip everything it's not even funny.
>>740748126>Even though it "feels" like a loss having to repaint in combatRemember that in the opener every job has some kind of build up before they get to their big shit, so you delay everything those few GCDs so everyone can go whole hog.
>>740748721That's, of course, assuming people aren't shit, and since I don't do statics and do my parsing in pugs, that's most of them. But at least I'll improve it slightly
>>740747563It doesn't get better. It just goes back to boring bad instead of laughably bad. Look around you. Nobody is discussing new MSQ because nobody actually cares.
>>740747861
>>740747861why isn't she 5 times my size
>>740749260Bikecuck.
>>740747167>>740747563>>740747979>>740748126Can you tell me what you think of Sphene as a character? Let's stay on topic!
>>740728062when are they selling her hair
>>740745306Very wrong, the whole drama at the time was that pict did much more damage than BLM while being much simpler to play
>>740747563>that traineveryone just happily builds the combat train, no biggies! have a cheerful music!I don't know which is worse, this fucking carebears friendship nonsense without explanation in the world where trouble is brewing in every corner or Zoraal Ja jobbing with a cyberpunk army to ten hippies in a mudhut.>but dr-well fuck you the dragon is the 9th hippie.
are ilvl 790 weapons not a thing? apparently the raid weapon in 795what is the last relic step gonna give us then
>>740739963correct>sent to sidequest hellwhy
>>740750939His punishment for being more liked than W*k
>>740745793that’s already far more involved than anything SMN does. did you mean to type RDM?
>>740747563You should be skipping every single DT cutscene until you get to 7.4 at the earliest. There isn’t a single thing worth experiencing, or a single thing that will be of any relevance whatsoever in future expansions. It is pure, worthless filler
>>740751790I DO NOT KNOW WHERE I AM AND I DO NOT KNOW WHO ANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE AND I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE OF IMPORTANT ROCK CANDY IN MY HANDSBUT ANON SAID IT WAS FILLER SO I GUESS IT ISN'T IMPORTANT
>>740751916just check your quest title and look up where you are on the wiki dumbasshow did you play this game up to this point and not know that
>>740751790actually yeah I don't think dawntrail gave us anything like shadowbringers and endwalker did, it does feel like a filler episode
>>740752018how about i just call anon to fuck my wife while i'm at it, since i skipped everything at his recommendation and now need to go back and check where i am to have any idea what's going onhe was so insistent it was just filler and it didn't matter
>>740751916that’s weird, in 7.5 I knew literally everyone I was talking to and everything they were talking about because none of it pertained to anything that happened in DT. I even knew what the magic rock does because it was repeatedly and clearly explained to me - probably precisely because so many people skipped DT cutscenes and needed a refresher on the mcguffin. yeah turns out DT was all literally worthless filler that does nothing but make you feel disdain for the game’s setting at large, and skipping it causes you to miss out on nothing
>>740751571>>740751790>>740751916>>740752018>>740752271Sphene? What do these posts have to do with >>740728062 ?HELLOOOOOOO
>>740752271Calyx is a random talking squirrel if you skipped literally all cutscenes.
>>740752313all me
>>740752248at least check how much more you have left to skip retard
dude who throws a tantrum at the mere suggestion of skipping one of the worst stories in video game history because you might not know who the squirrel is
>>740752517>one of the worst stories in video game historyIs FFXIV the only video game you play?
whomst've are you quoting thoughbeit
>>740749656Overrated.
>>740752517this thread is dogshit
>>740752628Me.
>>740752637waifuist's choice, to be desu
the squirrel is so important man you have no idea. you gotta know who the squirrel is you gotta wade through 30 hours of liquid diarrhea
>>740752517"one of the worst stories in video game history" Dumbledore roared, calmly
OP is desperate to keep this aliveWas nice for a couple of days.... oh... what a shame..
>>740728062She's going to exit stage left before they kill her off.
>>740753229think there will be lala based content on the Fourth?
>>740728812>>740728062>>740729663>>740729882>>740729939I love her hair. Is this achievable natty btw? It feels like it'll job to one particularly strong gust of wind.
>>740740021I hate how you can't use cotton candy colors anymore without people screaming "THE TROONS DID THIS".
>>740742603Sadu's clan doesn't give a fuck about the flesh shell that their soul occupies which leads to their clan being based as fuck. They also don't make it their fucking identity like trans people do in real life.
>>740754970It's shitposting because there's so little to go on. For whatever reason people need to scrap the bottom of the barrel for ingame reasons to call FFXIV the "Troon game" when all they have to do is show the massive trans population and all the streamers who transition after getting into it.>>740754362Utena is anime people with anime hair but Spleen...I guess? You'd probably need a lot of hairspray and a curling iron
>>740750676Augmented tome weapons are 790, final relic will be 795 as well.
>>740751916This without a single hint of irony.
>>740756551Ehhh?!
Why do they negate the efforts of skilled players by handing out higher ilvl weapons to retards that did roulettes once a day? Fucking retarded.
>>740757181They aren't negating the efforts of skilled players. They're negating the efforts of raiders.
>>740757181Anon they give those weapons when the entire expansion is literally already outdated and the next one is already on the horizon.
>>740757181Actually the biggest stinker is the single max itemlvl raid ring to be fully 790 that non-raiders will miss out on.
>>740757181Relics are BiS ilvl at a point in the expansion where BiS doesn't matter anymoreExclusivity rewards in MMOs are the devil
yo is there like a "default skeleton" mod people use or somethingI downloaded a conversion that turns RPR into DRK and the run animation just has me flickering while the camera noclips through the floor
>>740757181>skilled players
Hopes and fears for Evolved mode? Specific requests for each job?
>>740757942i'll need to see what abilities are getting pruned for white mage before i make a decision, but so far i don't like cure and afflatus being the same button thats toggled
>>740757942I hope they severely cut down on button bloat and mechanic bloat. I find it difficult to keep up my rotation during mechanics. And with my arthritis every raid session ends with me trying to hold back tears with my hand in a bucket of ice to numb the pain.
>>740757942more dances for dancermore utility buttonsless chakramslopFFXI's Empyrean Armor
>>740758112I see that as kind of a revival of Cleric Stance
>>740757687IVCS, but a simple animation swap shouldn't require it.
>>740758226But anonEmpyrean armor names were already used for Heavensward and Stormblood's artifact armors
>>740758474Artifact armor names were already used for artifact sets and we still got them.
will evolved mode go to trusts? will alisaie do a fancy combo in front of me lb and wipe me?
>>740728062because you are desperate and she is an attractive woman who likes the character you self insert as
>>740757942Hopes:>A couple of flashy attacks even at sub-level 30>Every job has at least 1 aoe by level 18 (for Sastasha)>Every job gets something to manage even at low levels so it's not 1-2 spam (eg give reaper a low-powered Grim Swathe at level 18 that gets upgraded in power later)Not fears but logical expectations knowing CBU3:>Opposite of everything I've just listed>Sastasha goes from 1-2 spam to 1 spam (already available on jobs like PCT)Aside from that and not really linked to Evolved mode but jobs themselves:>Redone run animation cycles for most jobs in the game (looking at you DRK, WHM/BLM, SMN/SCH, MCH, god most jobs' running animations suck ass come to think of it, only RPR, VPR, GNB and a few others look cool)
>>740758474I don't care what it's called, I want the model.
>>740758396its eukrasia/dark arts, neither of which i enjoy
>>740758626Hopes are already answered, full kit is available by level 50 and everything past that is upgrades in potency, traits, or cosmetics/animations
>>740758712Functionally yeah those are just Cleric Stance, a toggle between heal version and damage version, or in DRK's case shit version and good version
>>740758440anon I could fucking kiss you
>>740757942The return of Enhanced Arrow for AST.
>>740728062mogged by halmarut
It's hilarious watching these threads go from shitting on the 2 minute meta for lacking adaptability and reactive skills and being just a robotic regurgitation of meaningless buttons, then go right back to defending it once they announce they're gonna address those issues based on player feedback. Hell I distinctly remember a bunch of anons repeatedly complaining about how PvP kits represented each job better and were an improvement over PvE rotations, and now that they're literally adding skills from PvP to each job they're trying to paint it as a bad thing.It's like watching the mindbreak process in real time.
>>740759639so everyone in this thread is one person?
>>740759773That's well established yes
>>740759773not only that, everyone is one person he argued with at some indeterminate time and isn't even making the argument he's attacking currently
>>740757942DRK to be fun again.It was fun in HW and SB, Shitbringers completely killed the job and it's never been the same ever since.
>>740757942I know they already showed BRD but I want more support skillsone of the songs having mp refresh is giving me some actual hope again
>>740759639There hasn't been a single person in this thread defending the 2 minute meta.> then go right back to defending it once they announce they're gonna address those issues based on player feedback.Nothing has been addressed. Abilities were pruned and jobs were simplified, yet nothing was gained to add complexity. They have not shown anything at all that is 'superior' to the current iteration of jobs, and the jobs at the moment are total boring trash. Somehow they have managed to make it worse.>and now that they're literally adding skills from PvP to each job they're trying to paint it as a bad thing.No one has said this. Maybe you should stop making up arguments to fit your gay little narrative that everyone is blindly hating the changes and actually take what people have said into consideration, seeing as the devs have done nothing but prune and prune and prune for the last 12 years without doing anything to add depth or satisfaction in place of what was removed.
>>740760137>They have not shown anything at all that is 'superior' to the current iteration of jobs,dragoon's new positionals and the existence of sky high in PvE is taking a fat shit into your open mouth
I miss stormblood bros...it had the best iteration of jobs and the best content all around minus the MSQ.
>>740759639The internet is the biggest disingenuous place on earth. I was complaining about some jobs being too bloated at lvl100 days before the livestream, and literally every single person called me a shitter and a retard.Immediately after the livestream suddenly all jobs at lvl100 were bloated and bad and anyone prefering those versions over the new Evolved ones is now "a shitter and a retard".
>>740728062Her good-smelling pussy!
>>740760137>There hasn't been a single person in this thread defending the 2 minute meta.lol >>740734702>Nothing has been addressed. Abilities were pruned and jobs were simplified, yet nothing was gained to add complexity.PLD's cover is already more complex than the currrent version because you need to take your target's position into account and make sure standing next to them won't screw up mechanics.Mindbroken bitch lmao
I finally beat Nael... the non-savage version of her...
>>740760220I miss Stormblood every single day of the week fren.I still try to enjoy the game for what it is, but I know it'll never reach that same high as it did back in those days.Stormblood only had 3 great sins.>ala mhigo is a fucking dungeon>TCJ>final ex trial mount is not a golden doggo but a 1:1 copy-paste fate boss insteadSmall mention the the lazy "eorzean inspired" rathalos collab armor.
>>740757942While maintaining some levels of groundedness:>BLMI just want several spells with cast times longer than the GCD. I wish that was the entire rotation to be desu, but I know that's incompatible with modern fights, so I'll settle for a few heavy hitters (Fire IV/Flare/Foul/Flare Star)>SCHBring back at least one more single target DoT, Bane and Shadowflare and my life is yours, Mr. Prime>DRKBring back the Dark Arts mechanic, maybe in conjunction with TBN so it becomes less spammy. Remove the blood gauge and everything else that made DRK Dollar store WAR, I want all reminders of these dark years purged
But what does Halmaroot smell like?
>>740760472Blood gauge was good when it was its own thing. Like when Blood Price existed, or when they nerfed it to the ground and people would turn off Grit mid-dungeon pull and abuse Blood Weapon + Quietus, and then immediately when SHB hit they completely killed that too and SPECIFICALLY stated in Blood Weapon's tooltip that it doea NOT work on more than 1 hit at a time lmao.Ofc you also have to remember that back then Abyssal Drain was still spammable.
>>740760218Dragoon has zero failure state aside from missing positionals, which already exist in the current iteration of Dragoon. I'll concede to you that Dragoon now has MORE positionals, but it does not address that there's zero fail state. There's zero stress. You are pressing 1-1-1 for 12-20 seconds. Then pressing 2-2-2 in order to activate your press X to awesome button. The GCD is so slow that it doesn't warrant the lack of OGCDs, so you just sit there picking at your nuts while you mash on 1-1-1 like everyone else will be doing. I pointed to PLD and WHM several times in the thread because they hyped up and mentioned IDENTITY several times over and over during the keynote and the presentation, but I saw either completely nothing, or just less than the scraps we have at this momentWhere is the uniqueness? What's the identity? >>740760305You are the same woman I was making fun of earlier for misconstruing my argument because you saw that I typed the 2 minute meta buffs are more interactive with other players than Evolve which has absolutely NOTHING. You somehow took that as me saying the 2 minute meta is good and my favorite, faggot woman. That is literally my own post that I am still using to make fun of you with, because you have the reading comprehension of a 14 year old girl.Read this, while you're at it, fag >>740747392 Because that was also me replying to you the first time you said your dumb swine post.
>>740738728The fact that he didn't know what to do with her saved her from becoming his next pet
>>740760803>Dragoon has zero failure state aside from missing positionals, not every job needs a fucking failure state
>>740760646bbc of course
>>740728062
>>740760803>You are the same woman I was making fun of earlier for misconstruing my argument because you saw that I typed the 2 minute meta buffs are more interactive with other players than Evolve which has absolutely NOTHING.I'm not, I'm just pointing out your own retardation which you were generous enough to share with the class. You can even check IPs with 4chanX if you don't believe me, but you won't because again, you're a mindbroken bitch and throwing samefag accusations is the only way you can possibly save face after exposing yourself.
>>740760914Ironically, Sphene is the least interesting part of this thread.
>>740728812Reminder that Shale was the one to pick out her clothes, she did it for us
>>740728062Cute punished hime.
>>740760220I miss sticking Enhanced Arrow on Monks and watching their TP vanish.
>>740759639>once they announce they're gonna address those issuesThey didn't address shit. All the dogshit design philosophy from two minute memery is still there. The "fixes" are completely superficial. And it's you shitslurping trannies that were saying homegenization was great and fine and YOU asked for it and then turned on a dime when they superficially "fixed" the issue.
>>740760849fair point.
>>740728609monster man x human women is top tier so you're based for this take
>>740761046>And it's you shitslurping tranniesya blew it
>>740760803>2 minute meta buffs are more interactive with other players than Evolve which has absolutely NOTHINGI completely agree with this yet everyone will immediately call you a 2min meta cock sucker the moment you point this out.It's a goddamn MMO fo fucks sake, player interactivity especially with skills should be a huge part of it.
>>740731679shes a yamato nadeshiko
>>740761149it's technically more interactive in that everybody is doing something that benefits the party but it also doesn't really feel like you're doing anything because doing it primarily benefits yourself in kicking off burst phase, and on top of that the primary benefactor besides yourself is whichever dipshit is parsing in the party, something that literally cannot have feedback in the vanilla gameif they ever approach damage buffs again it should be purely in the vein of dancer's partner system and dragon sight's proximity requirement, it should be for a very low number of jobs (3 or fewer out of the 23 in evercold), it should be infrequent, and it should be enough of a damage spike to both warrant its infrequency and make it feel like you're actually doing something by throwing it out
>>740742603We know the metaphysics of the setting, so we know clearly that she's just wrong.
>>740760948True, she doesn't even have armpit hair or stretch marks or manly fart stink. The fuck does Pablo see in her?
>>740760920Oh really? What are my other posts?
>>740761186It's "yamete nakadashi" (please stop, release inside), you uncultured swine.
>>740761336You made the thread, silly!That's why you're faking engagement!
>>740757942my favorite job (pct) was, from my understanding, a proto-evolved job anyway. so if they continue to design in that direction, ill be satisfied. though I actually don't like viper that much (best I can say about is, "its better than reaper), so maybe not.
>>740761124Another epic non-post from your local poopsocking tranny NEET playing thread hall monitor 24/7. Why make an argument when you can just vaguely allude to having one?
>>740760884Every job needs to make you feel good. Do you know what makes you feel good? Making a good decision with the tools you have that reward you for making the right choices. Do you know what ever job they've shown us is a click the glowy button game to do big number. Big number feel good. White mage, as boring and stupid as they are now has even less to consider now that they are free to instant cast spam 1111111. No more stress from having to move. No more needing to make choices.Here's the very limited things you could do with stormblood scholar that were infinitely more engaging and rewarding to do compared to now and soon to be evolved.>Spend extra mana for weave and movement>Clip DoT at unoptimal time>Use ruin 2 and cry yourself to sleep, but keep mana incase of emergency for raise.I hope you do not purposely misconstruie my words again and say YOU JUST WANT STORMBLOOD BACK. I don't want those exact point, but I want the feeling of those points to simple exist.Do you see what is happening here? Do you see a bunch of things that players would consider 'jank' or bad design were expressly the design that made your choices matter. This is what made the engagement, this is where the fun came from. Without it you're not doing anything. You shouldn't always feel good about every button you press, you need to feel like the button you press mattered. I want players to care about the choices they make and the consequences of making other choices, be it bad or good. Having purely feel good only playstyles (evolve) is just playing cookie clicker while you avoid the orange circles.>>740760920Fuck off retard.
>>740759639MMO players just want to bitch and moan all the time, people are gonna complain over the lack of a 2min meta, hell soon they'll complain that boss hotboxes aren't the size of a country like Endwalker, it never ends
>>740761347https://youtu.be/kpzG4UYtcEk?si=V8VNe-Lfyyme96ZB&t=60
>>740761407
>>740761528>Do you know what makes you feel good? Making a good decision with the tools you have that reward you for making the right choices.Yep, which is why you need actions that force you to make choices. Like evolved mode has, and reborn does not.>White mage, as boring and stupid as they are now has even less to consider now that they are free to instant cast spam 1111111.They literally can't do that now that they have to constantly hardcast heals.
>>740761545>boss hotboxes aren't the size of a country like Endwalkerplease tell us more about these visions of the future your schizophrenic mind has divinated
>>740728062Since when do ff14 characters have expressions and unique models?
>>740761682that one super-evil kefka ultimate mechanic where you can't efficiently heal the group without triggering a raidwide but you have doom and instant death to worry about at the same time is probably indicative of the kind of problem solving they're going to be forcing upon healers in the future
>>740759639just a thought, but human beings tend to be different from each other and hold differing opinions on things
>>740761149if there were the slightest mechanical difference in how you play I would agree, but that has never really been the caseif all these buffs are just going to be gay %dps buffs they can go to hell and stay there
>>740761682>Yep, which is why you need actions that force you to make choices. Like evolved mode has, and reborn does not.Please explain what you mean by this and please give me an example from one of the jobs that were shown that would make you feel like this.I would love for you to be right, because I really want 8.0 to blow my socks off, but from what I've seen I do not have very many good thoughts or feelings about the redesign.>>740761804You are ignoring the point AGAIN. Are you doing it on purpose? The point isn't that having the buff is good, it's having the ability to interact with another player that is good, even if the ability itself and its effect is boring. They have taken away player interactivity with abilities and have given us nothing in return. Another layer of complexity is gone again, and everyone is clapping.
>>740761705People will say ShB-EW-DT combat is better, it's just the nature of mmo players, old is always better even when it wasn't, like how people pretend SB combat and job designs were somehow really good when they were a mess only because most people haven't actually played SB when it was current
>>740761804There is a mechanical difference.Not every Dragoon player would always target the same dps, it was a personal choice and it was MY personal choice to target my friend even if he was playing Warrior. Also it forced you to hug eachother.That choice and small effort is now completely gone.
>>740761924>They have taken away player interactivity with abilities and have given us nothing in return. Another layer of complexity is gone again,this would mean something if anything was actually taken but you're the primary beneficiary of your own raid buff because it enables raid phase so nothing's really being lostit's not interactivity if i'm going to fucking push it anyways, this is not exactly paladin's cover here where i choose a party member to use it on and then take their damage for a while. something that, by the way, did get incredibly boosted with evolved mode by tying it to the gap-closer, as of evercold paladin can use cover very often and puts itself in target's effective distance just by doing so
>>740728062I vastly prefer Hackerman.
>>740728062Not much. She's cute, and that's pretty much it. The rest of the Dawntrail-era cast has so little going for it that "she's cute" is enough for people to cling to her like a piece of flotsam while the MSQ wrecks itself
>>740761968>shadowbab has an opinionHow cute.
>>740761968>everyone is actually just pretending to enjoy something they never experienced it's all just a conspiracy to make me look stupid!!1!
>>740762060>raid phase*burst phase
>>740761968Retard.
>>740761924>please give me an example from one of the jobs that were shown that would make you feel like this.Dragoon's Sky High is the most obvious. Proper usage of Sky High means holding it for the ideal time to get the use out of its utility, like using it to dodge an AoE, or eat a tank mechanic, or using it at the right time during boss downtime so you can hit the boss as he comes back.Bard's songs, rather than providing damage, all have protective utility buffs. So being a Bard now means making the correct choices about what songs to use and at which times, instead of them just being damage buffs you don't notice which you use at the same time in every fight.
>>740762101>>740762112>>740762180Settle down now no need to get so assblasted because I'm right and you started in EW
i get the feeling that this argument has taken place several times already and nothing will come of it
>>740728812is the new artbook out?
>>740734702>muh controllersJesus fucking christ enough already.Controller has EASY access to 32 actions via holding R2 or L2 or double tapping and then holding the same buttons.You can also add an easy 16 with the R2->L2 and L2->R2 holds.And then, with very little effort, you can set shit up where tapping R1 shifts the first two bar sets for another fucking 32 (and might even be able to set it up to also flip the latter sets too, for another fuckin 16 on top of it).Controllers had ZERO issues with button inputs in ff14.Fuck you.
>>740761804Honestly I think it's a weird argument to say that we're losing party based interactions when I wouldn't say the current version of the game really promotes that anymore than EC is looking to. 90% of the community does not engage in content where you even need to to raid buff alignment to clear. The 2 min meta isn't really solving the issue these anons are saying it is imo. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if closed position as a targeted party buff still exists and just had other effects going forward. There are other MMOs that don't really rely on buff dumping being the only inter-party interaction but I think it's more a fight design consequence than anything. For example tanking having very little boss movement because bosses literally teleport to positions on the arena to execute mechanics, so that aspect of other games just ceases to exist in XIV most of the time.
>>740762282>no uYou are a blind niggerfaggot that never saw anything, so ofc when layers of engagement get removed you see no difference.
>>740761924>The point isn't that having the buff is good, it's having the ability to interact with another player that is goodyou're literally not interacting thoughthere is no interaction beyond "click someone's name"
>>740740379Someone using an available method to make the game easier doesn't necessarily mean that they want the game to be easier.If there is an available path of least resistance, people will take it. If they release an autoplay mode that automatically does every fight perfectly for you, everyone will use it. Does it mean that people want it to exist? No, it doesn't.If there is an easy mode and everyone is using it you get punished for trying to play without all the help you can get. If there is no option but to play the hard way everyone is on the same page
>>740762825>where you even needFor me it's not about need, it's about want.I'm looking for which 2 of the adds has the ninja debuff on the elevator in the 3rd nier 24man raid, ofc we will clear without that little optimization but it's still something fun to do and actually has you using 2 braincells.
Honestly the only reason you'd be against Evolved Jobs is if you're either a parse fag more mad at them removing the 2min meta so you can't as easily get a funny color on fflogs by using buffs and sacking.Or you're a complete moron that thinks more buttons makes jobs more complex and deeper, hint, they don't.If you're a normal well adjusted person evolved is exciting and looks fun.
>>740762936I'm not replying to you, I'm just click on your post number.Fucking downplaying faggot.
>>740763026
>>740763026>Or you're a complete moron that thinks more buttons makes jobs more complex and deeperthere is a balance between too much bloat and too streamlined and shb crossed the line into full retard mode with 0 job identity leftthe game has never been the same since, might as well make every job have a 1 button rotation if it really doesn't matter
>>740759639>Hell I distinctly remember a bunch of anons repeatedly complaining about how PvP kits represented each job better and were an improvement over PvE rotationsthe people saying this are now the anons celebrating evolved jobs because they basically did exactly that
>>740763136Ah the common midwit who thinks more buttons magically makes jobs different but also doesn't play any jobs
>>740763026It's a basic bitch shitpost that ignores things like DRG having side specific positionals and bard having a literal dodge shot.Of course retards who don't play the game will see less icons and make retarded assumptions.>>740763136>extremeismLol
>>740743009Won't happen. Normal content is done via matchmaking with randoms, what if you get 2 MTs? Or 2 OTs?The only way that they could actually make it be impactful would be if they splited the tank role into 2 different categories even in roulettes, to assure that both would always be present in 8+ man content
>>740763136The only jobs that were at their best during SHB were PLD and BLM.Maybe at least one more, I never played BRD or AST for example.
>>740763049I'm not downplaying anything, you click someone's name and you both do 5% more damage for a few secondsthat's itanything that can be correctly handled by a macro in 99% of cases is not a meaningful interaction, it's meaningless bloat and busywork
BUUUUUUUUUUMP
>>740759639I'm one of those people who legit thought letting the pvp team do pve job balance would be a novel idea because it isn't like shit could get much worse.I got shit on by like a dozen people that thread. Guess I got the last laugh there, eh? Cunts.
>>740763261You still need to decide who's name to click and you both need to be in melee range for it to work.Hell the drg couldn't even activate the skill if he wasn't in close proximity to the target player.Also you have plugins/mods that literally plays the entire job for you so I guess every skill in the game is meaningless according to you.
>>740763026I'm just not looking forward to messing up using my utilities because I wasn't selecting the right thing, so I end up using the wrong action thanks to the context sensitivity being their answer to button bloat without actually removing actions.
>>740763368>You still need to decide who's name to click and you both need to be in melee range for it to work.you literally just click the other melee thoughare you stupid or something?
>>740763201designing the jobs to have different tools is what makes them different. removing buttons and homogenizing their tools makes them the same, but if they're different you have endless bitching and whining from trannies who want to squeeze out 2% more dps with their tank or whatever>but also doesn't play any jobsnigger I levelcapped everything when I played, I just skipped dawntrail because I saw the writing on the wall and that the game was going nowhere fast and the game got too repetitive with the same song and dance for too longall of my favorite jobs got way worse after shb, the only exception I can think of is really just blm but it makes sense since blm was yoshi p's favorite
>>740763409I click the BLM thougheverbeit.
Guild Wars and Wild Star have shown us that eight skills max is the correct way to handle MMO combat, so any step XIV takes in that direction is the right choice.
>>740763409>I don't care about choice therefore it doesn't existWhatever man.
>>740759639>PvP kits represented each job betteryes>an improvement over PvE rotationsno
>>740757942My small hopes is that they actually make the jobs play differently from each other with some flavor in the gameplay.My almost certainty fear is that it will be the same shit with a different coat of paint.My idea for SAM is for it to become a melee caster, they should double down on the idea of casting Iaijutsus. Longer casts with stronger attacks.
>>740763524there IS no choice, you dumb cuntyou need to stay in melee range to do damagethe other player also needs to stay in melee range to keep from losing the buffyou click the other meleeno thought goes into this
>toxic casual timmy's face when he loads into evercold and he's still parsing gray and dying 20 times in his roulettes (the number of buttons wasn't the problem)
>>740763252AST got raped into the ground after stormblood. If they didn't want RNG, they should have removed the card mechanic entirely. They sucked the fun right out of the job.
>>740763589Sam being a melee with cast bars is good and interesting but I don't think it needs to be ALL cast bars. I like that it has a bunch of normal melee attacks and weaves that build into big castbar attacks its already pretty well designed. I feel like it should get more parries though like do more interesting shit with third eye follow ups or something.
>>740763626Impressive how you perfectly describe how there is in fact thought going into it but then immediately say there is no thought behind it in the very same post.
>>740759639The thing is, it's gonna be the exact same thing. The gameplay will still probably be a static rotation that you follow without any variation at all, just without raid buffs and 2m cds
>>740763660real
>>740763724"always click the other melee" requires zero thought
>>740763661I literally don't know who they have on AST job adjustments but either he hates AST or the instructions he's given on how to "improve" the job were for another healer because they gutted the one thing they initially used to highlight AST and show how it was going to play differently from the other healers.
>>740763840>>740763485
>>740763840>I don't put any thought into it so it doesn't exist
>>740764009oh no, a mechanic has forced the BLM to the other side of the arena and now my tether has brokenif only I had clicked the other meleewho could have foreseen this
>>740763708It doesn't need to be ALL casts, but I think they should double down on it. Currently, the only cast that you do is Midare and Ogi, and they're super quick, you also don't use them too much.I would like SAM to have this gimmick that makes it different from playing other melees, just as i would also want the others to also have interesting quirks.Tho I'm sure that this will not happen... Every melee will be gay spam your GCD with some positional and you have 1 big damage skill and that's it, just like we have now
>>740763002I get that Im just saying that for most of the community I don't think it's really what they're complaining the most about when people talk about homogenization, which is absolutely the thing EC most wants to address. I would say if in the European fanfest they show off the new tank and it's obtensibly PLD in terms of both defensive and job rotation I would be more worried desu. If we're still seeing major overlap between the jobs in same role I think there would be cause for concern. Anecdotally speaking, I've played SMN since I started playing this game in 2015(?), my favorite iteration of the job was it's Shadowbringer one which unless I'm heavily misremembering had far less ability to meaningfully interact with the party because they didn't even have a damage buff like searing light until EW I think? Or a powerful on demand AOE heal like Solaris Lux until DT (unless you count the healing based DoT and targeted extra healing DoT on phoenix as that). But rotationally I would say that although I don't hate the current version in its entirety, especially from a flavor standpoint, the execution leaves so much to be desired compared to the loop we had in Shadowbringers before the gemstone change. I would lose all that extra party interaction to go back to that gameplay loop. But obviously that's a personal opinion from someone who's an Uber causal player.
>>740764059again, doesn't require thoughtyou literally always put it on the other meleethere is no reason to put it on the BLM
>>740763589A cool feature would be making one of SAM's actions like Cyan's stuff in ff6.Super long cast, but you can activate it early by moving or hitting the button again.Sucky if you quickly use it, valuable if you give it 2 to 3 seconds. Insane if you go the full, say, 10 seconds.>>740763546Yes, fag. EC jobs are already a massive step up.
>>740764128BRO YOUR HIGANBANA AIEE but I mean you do use Midare a lot. Paladin getting parries with evolved makes me think samurai should get some too.>>740764189In some ways they are sure, pressing 1111 instead of 123 is lame.
>>740764153>you are supposed to tether to the monk doing half the damage of the whm instead of the blm that's doing the most out of everyoneYou are a downplaying retard.
>>740764270Pressing 1 3 times is no fucking different from pressing 1 2 3 once. Stop pretending there is any sort of skill being lost here.
>>740764314that's what the "kick" button is for, retard
>>740764153>I don't see a reason therefore no reason exists
>>740764189Yeah that would be cool. But then again, to conform to the standard gameplay this type of fun will probably not exist. God forbid if every job doesn't do the same amount of DPS over the period of a fight and the parsers start bitching about balance or whatever
>>740764363Oh wow look at this BIG BOY initiating vote KICKS in his duty finder instances.Watch out everyone because we've got a BADASS over here.
>>740764357If it doesn't matter why change it, faggot.
>>740764367correction: there IS no reasonI'm telling you that 2+2=4 and you're saying "but what if the answer is 5"
>>740764435because they're aiming to crop jobs down to less buttons
>>740764431>muh roulettesliterally irrelevant
>>740764465oh no, 2 extra buttons breaks your retarded little brain, maybe go play animal crossing faggot
>anything that requires even the slightest thought and decision making gets removed>people defend it saying nothing changed>repeat for 6+ years>wtf why are jobs so braindead???Literally nothing changed and literally nothing is going to change with Evercold.
>>740764558and are these...people...in the thread with us now?
>>740764513Factually incorrect. It's relevant for everyone even the savage raiders because they need their weekly tomes.
>>740764596i r r e l e v a n t
>>740764580They're always here.
>>740764357It's not THAT different that part is true, but it IS different. In moments where you are paying attention to other things such as mechanics, movement, you being nervous because of pressure etc, having your combo be 3 different buttons can make you fuck up, or at the very least takes a bit more of your mental stack compared to your combo being spam 1 button
>>740764631>the overwhelming majority of the playerbase cares for roulettes>I don't care so irrelevantYou are actually insane.You'll get no more (You)s out of me.
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>>740764743you can push random buttons and outdps the average roulette herothey literally do not matter
Fuck off.>>>/vg/
>>740764558The main issue is and has always been them listening too much to player feedback. Look at the official forums and the "influencer" discourse and you'll see a 101 pattern between complaints and implementation>Repeated MNK and SMN reworks>Living dead rework, superbolide rework>Healer reworks (Bigger aoes, shorter cast times, etc)>GNB rework, PLD rework, BLM reworkTheir design decisions are never data driven, it's always based om DOGSHIT player feedback.God fucking bless this Mr. Prime guy because he actually don't seem to give a FUCK about player feedback lmao
>>740763708>I feel like it should get more parries though like do more interesting shit with third eye follow ups or something.Never forget that Samurai used to have that, Seigan and Merciful Eyes were removed when Endwalker hit.
>>740763589Excluding healers, I think just looking at what we got gives us this already.>PLD. 40/80 second loop, a mix of ranged attacks and melee. Counter attack mechanic tied to actively blocking attacks. The mechanical stress factor is that you need to know the boss attack patten to avoid overcapping your holy sheltron.>DRG. 60 second loop. Entirely dps focused, basic gameplay loop focuses on managing jumps to make it as easy as possible to tag your positionals. Mechanical stress is to not lose out on the fat bonuses from doing your positionals correctly.>BRD. Is summoner 2.0. Fairly straightforwards but have big rewards for playrr who correctly can align their rotation with boss mechanics (gives you a lot of agency). Mechanical stress is to learn where in a fight your legos fit the party best.BRD is very interesting to me since it kinda gives you SCH-lite influence on your party's performance in a fight.As for healers, I think we will see the design space cater to the 90% who necer puts a foot inside ultimates. WHM has always been designed for millenial women who do duty roulette
>>740765174it's poor feedback and also a lack of creativityto hijack the dragoon tether debate ITT, they could have easily improved it by>changing its effect based on what role you put the tether on>adding a Rescue effect>adding shared lifesteal>adding a spirit link health split>making it stronger based on how close together you are>making it tick damage on enemies standing in it>making it debuff an enemybut since they refused to do anything other than a piddly damage buff, it stayed a braindead mandatory dps button that did nothing but bloat burst windows
show mehow you xiv it!im jerking off!
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>>740766350miqotes owe me SEX
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>>740765872Yeah it really has to be emphasized how extremely poor player feedback is in this game>Only 20% of players even do savage fights. Even fewer does ultimates. How many of this already limited number of players will actually be knowledgeable enough to give feedback about what a jump needs mechanically AND from a fun factor?>The remainder of players are even worse. Imagine if a game like league, cs2 or dota2 designed based on bronze/silver mmr players' feedback.Unfortunately we don't have mmr in pve. But even if you only listened to world racers who could clear UMAD within one week (rip MrHappy and Xenosys lmao), they still have limited feedback to give since what is healthy for the game might not be the same thing as what is helpful to someone pushing every advantage in an ultimate race. For instance the fact that DRK is the overall safest choice for one of your tanks doesn't make it a "good" job designwise. DRK is frankly a fucking dogshit job, but its kit is just too good for world racing.
>>740766965SCH too, Expedience has poisoned class design discussion for like five fucking years at this point
>>740765016Why are you so mad about this when Casualties Unknown has a daily thread that is remade every single time it hits bump limit?
>>740766965its hard to know which player feedback is healthy for the gamelike when techies is so neutered now compared to planting bombs all over the maps, I'm kinda glad I dont have to experience that anymore in a pvp game while being sad that its gonefor a pve game the combat balance matters far less but the constraints need to be there I think. No one likes monster hunter if you can just get a guaranteed knockdown every start of the fight without using an item or something like that. Like imagine an auto-life in monster hunter even
>>740760849Is that motherfucker still writing for XIV btw?
Current job design is fucking miserable for a long time and it negatively impacts encounter design too so I will take any rocking the boat.
>>740762101Stormblood was fucking dogshit. Bard was a mess, Machinist was also a mess. Paladin was effectively dead because it didn't have a dash and had terrible DPS by the end of the expansion. Dark Knight played like shit with the dark arts spam. Shadowbringers was a massive improvement over Stormblood for gameplay. E4S alone shits all over anything in Omega.
>>740728062>>740765174>superbolide reworkThis felt so completely unnecessary it's literally the same except it halves your HP instead of bringing it to 1.And warrior's invul just feels like shit now because back in the day it binded (You) but the tradeoff was a ridiculously short CD and another free knock-back negater. Now all the identity is gone and it's literally just a shittier Hallowed Ground now, but I guess that's all of them nowadays.
>>740768130>This felt so completely unnecessary it's literally the same except it halves your HP instead of bringing it to 1.Plus you just combo it with Corundum and your HP shoots back up anyway. We can only pray it goes back to normal in Evercold.
>>740767941Wrong.Plus u a retard.
>>740767941>Bard was a messNo it wasn't.>Machinist was also a messThis one I can take this it was objectively a downgrade from HW, which was perfect.>Paladin was effectively dead because it didn't have a dash and had terrible DPS by the end of the expansion. Nice revisionism.>Dark Knight played like shit with the dark arts spamIt played like shit because its kit got gutted and turned into role actions, making it feel like it got the short end of the stick (also see: WHM). Also Dark Arts Abyssal Drain was kino so you can eat shit.>Shadowbringers was a massive improvement over Stormblood for gameplay. Shadowbringers is what got us into this stale ass 2 min meta and encounter design to begin with, lobotomised healers and removed emnity management, among other things.Dumbfuck Shadowbab.
>>740768216>This one I can take this it was objectively a downgrade from HW, which was perfect.I'm not casting bullets nigger.
>>740768264That's what the ammo was for.
>>740768264You're right, you're not casting bullets because having ammo loaded LET YOU SKIP CAST TIMES.Kill yourself you fucking Shadowbaby.
that damned smile...
>>740768282>>740768298You had downtimes where you'd had to cast bullets, don't give me that "acktually you never had to cast" crap.I played the shit out of it in Stormblood and it was busy and confusing for beginners, but "fine".
>>740768130Yeah superbolide not going down to 1 hp is such a major aura loss for gnb
>>740768376When she sees your Buuz.
>>740729307>>740729309Wait so they literally retconned the villain of the expansion to be not the real character, THAT'S how they brought her back?Lmfao DT writer is genuine trash
>>740768376Zero/10
>>740762370The devs don't exactly have these threads on autorefresh.
>>740768451>retconnedShe was established as an AI based on the real queen within the hour she was originally introduced.
>>740768451I certainly felt like that, but there was some foreshadowing to it in the 7.0 quests, maybe...?
>>740768378>You had downtimes where you'd had to cast bulletsThe most common optimisation you performed was turning off Gauss Barrel while shooting the first part of your combo, if you had the 2nd and 3rd part bank up, you shot those without cast times even with Gauss Barrel.Never talk to me about HW Machinist ever again.
>>740768537in the dungeon yea
>>740768216Wrong, been playing since ARR. The game has only gotten better over time, aside from goofy shit like nerfing the Darkside animation to look like a stink cloud.
>>740768451It was the only way to seperate her from wuk lamat. The real one wants nothing to do with her.
>>740731521I haven't done most of them but I'll rank what I did doEX1 = birb fun and the tank buster cones were kinoEX2 = fun conga line but the coordination for the aeros a lot of people couldnt getEX3 = lots of fun mechanics but I could never get a group who could do ice bridgesEX4 = again a lot of fun mechanics but there were so many that it was hard for my groups to get the clear, but we did eventuallyEX5, 6 = didn't try but I want to go back and try them, they look funEX7 = felt easier than the other EX's I did, except for the walk the dog part I felt gave trouble to a lot of groups but eventually got the clear.
>>740768640However long you've been playing is irrelevant when it's clearly the opinions of a daily roulette player. Saying Stormblood Paladin "was effectively dead" immediately reveals yourself as a misinformed dipshit who's completely detached from reality.
Zerochad updateI did my first baldesian arsenal! I failed! I walked off the edge when Ozma was in triangle phase (the last like 20% of health) and my did not succeed. Mission failed, i'll get em next time! (tomorrow) My spirit of the remembered failed.
>>740768376wife
>>740768892I typed that poorly but yeah. Walked off edge accidentally as we were finishing up, my spirit did not revive me.
>>740768825That sort of statement seem to be some sort of steamer revisionism? As we can see here >>740768216 it's pretty clear that for the modt competitive piece of pve content (world racing), drk is actually effectively dead. Yet I'm certain that I've heard multiple streamers claim pld was unplayable lmao?
>>740768376>>740768931Based fellow Zero enjoyers.
>>740768892>>740768961>>740769040>I walked off the edgelmfao you're such an idiot, Avery. I think you need to fuck off back to league of legends, you're so bad.
>>740768574>>740768298Heavensward MCH biggest identity was casting bullets, but then people say you never had to cast bullets anyway, so why are people like you hating on Stormblood MCH again when it's virtually the same minus the cast times..?
>>740769209If i'm an idiot for that then so is the shotcaller because he accidentally did too.
It's the 助かて. The call back is amazing done.
>>740769346Pretentious contrarians.
>>740769374You will never be japanese.
>>740769374>OCR overlayoh cool
I'm about to start Dawntrail and seriously bros should I just skip the entire thing with AT or is there actually something in this expansion that's worth tolerating Wuk Lamat?
>>740770358its fine just go through itnot the worst thing in the world but it definitely made me worried for the future of xiv for some time
>>740770358What's "AT"?Also you can safely skip basically the entirety of the main 7.0 quests, it's just not worth it.I stopped skipping somewhere around the post-DT quests and even then the writing was still mostly terrible, but I wanted to know what was going on for when Zero gets back and such, so I cannot tell you exactly when you should stop skipping desu.
>>740770358play the game form your own opinion tell us what you think
>>740770358It's irredeemable abysmal dogshit.
>>740770602https://github.com/NightmareXIV/TextAdvance
>>740759639I hate 2 minute meta and I'm very very happy with what I've seen of evolved so far. Really impressed with not just the jobs we saw but also the talking points Mr Prime chose to address during his presentation. He clearly understands the jobs and the feedback the community has been giving (maybe not healing though).
>>740770723I really wish I knew about this beforehand.
What's the point of Scion Trusts when you can just use Duty Support?
>>740751790the only parts that offer little value is the first half of 7.0, right up to the end of the rite of succession. wuk won because main character, bakool ja ja no longer bad because humbled.skipping anything past that and you end up losing out on a lot of lore. as for patch quest, 7.1 can be skipped as it again offers very little value. all other patches provide a lot of lore though. suggesting to skip to 7.4 will result on missing out on a ton of lore.
>>740770838Trusts is basically borderline abandoned content.
>>740770838That's old abandoned content, nowadays people only do it to get the emotes than never touch it.
>>740770358I think you should form your own opinion. But if you had to skip something, then probably the first half of 7.0, until the lightning dome shows up.
>>740771372>>740771458not talking about GC squadron btwtalking about the scion specific trusts
>>740771113>bakool ja ja frees up valigarmanda>"damn, the "dad" will be mad as hell and he will disqualify him">nothing happens>
>>740770809Mr. Prime is a healer main though I think? I thibk he has a clear vision of what he wants from the healers too (tho that vision incorporate DF needa and reduced parsing toxicity)Since he made UMAD, you could imagine how evolved WHM would play in UMAD without the bubble, assize or three stacks on instant cast aoe heals.
Another Astro rework, it's tradition at this point
>yeah bro just join a pf for high end content, it's easy
Janny you wanna clean this shit up?
>>740772182>Need to learn a different language plus remember advanced mathematics from schoolWell fug.
>>740772182this looks funny. Which mechanic is that describing? I assume some ultimate thing
>>740771998Same with MNK and SMN.
>>740772769Forsaken mechanic in the new ultimate.I'm convinced that every pf strat is not what the dev intended because it requires ridiculous level of pixel perfect positioning to pull off.
>>740771536but the first half is the promising part...
>>740734049>>740734702>It's definitely a copout in order for their controller players to be able to continue playing the game But you can already play on controller just fine. I do savage on controller with no issue, and I was watching some of the UMAD world first streams and there were multiple controller players. There are certainly some jobs that are *easier* on controller, but those jobs are also just easier in general because they have fewer buttons and/or slower rotations.
>>740772993Forsaken is a difficult mech, but it's not crazy hard to grasp. I think most ffxiv raider's just don't understand basic ass geometry, so you see dumbshit positioning all the time.
I hate the genis from the merchant's tale so god damn much. Holy shit fuck that asshole.
>>740770358They cut some undisclosed amount of dialogues and extended animations from Wuk Lamat in the 7.0 part of the msq over the course of the expansion.Tural is pretty bland but I think the mystery of the city of gold alone is pretty enticing. Everything about Alexandria is decent to good and serves as a proper build up for the future expansions.
>>740773225It's not hard to grasp.It's a visual overload and positioning is extremely strict.The worst part is that those two factors combined create a lot of oblivious griefers.If someone is not studying the replays and calling you out, you can keep causing wipes because you're 2 pixels off every time.
>>740765415It still kind of does with how third eye and its upgrade give you meter on hit but it could be way more interesting.
>>740773510Yeah, I'm p3 pf prog personally, but a majority of issues with Forsaken were derived from people not answering basic questions such as "if we both have to stand inside the circle, where are we the furthest apart?"A lot of wipes were caused by odd tower west proteans positioning themselves outside of the stack as well.
I'm coming back from 5.5.What is a good tank Job for me? Warrior as usual?Also people still refuse to communicate and play as bots? It's nice to meet new people for parties and other content, don't want to be their irl friend or anything.
>>740773217Cute goon
>>740773917no ones going to talk to random people in ff14 in the year 2026
>>740774106So how do people join FCs and progs?
>>740773917I like warrior. It has a simple rotation and feels strong. All tanks are boring.
>>740771675Healing is a very difficult thing to fix because you need to somehow appease:>super-casual healers who only want to heal but are also bad at healing>casual healers who want a straightforward rotation to balance against healing>raiders who want the job to be about healing instead of doing damage>raiders who have stockholm syndrome for the current designs>raiders who want to extend the current design to have a real dps rotation while still healing>tanks and dps who need people to actually queue as healerI think you could manage it by making the jobs very unique: WHM super simple, AST a bit more complex + card minigame, SGE with a full-on dps rotation that shits out healing as a side-effect, and SCH with dots + a bunch of interesting healing button combos.But that will be a nightmare to balance and SE is scared of any design that could result in people being asked to swap jobs for a specific encounter.
>>740774168Discord.I'm sorry.
>>740774272Damn... that's a bummer.
>>740774212I'm not expert but healer should NEVER get a "dps rotation", ever.The people that have healed through the biggest duty finder shitfests will agree with me, when shit hits the fan you literally do not have time for "rotations".
>>740728062I have no idea, she isn't even the cutest character in her expansion.
>>740774212Yeah, I agree. I wilm at least say I believe that Mr. Prime sees through a lot of the dishonest discourse about healing. He understand that there are lots of frauds in the high level healer community that talk like the got legitimate grievances with the job design while they in actuality are playing suboptimally and are getting carried by their cohealer.UMAD is another good example currently. The same healers who say the job is to easy are totally under water when they actually run demanding content
>>740774372Love that cute dork, I hope they don't kill her off.
>>740774339Healers never had real rotations, they all were>Are dots up?>No > cast dots>Yes > spam single target spell
>>740774440If she's not gay, I have bad news for you...
>>740774440ascians do not have a good track record of staying alive
When I'm leveling an alt is it possible to go do fates that are in the following expac tier of levels to get better xp? Or do you always get the "You are lower level and won't receive as much credit towards fate rewards" bit until you reach the appropriate level for that expac?ie. is it possible to go into Shadowbringer fates at 68 and get the full xp rewards or do you only get the full rewards starting at 70?
>>740774504But we're in a new saga now. The "mature beauties get to live"-saga.
>>740774751>new saga>ascians are still behind everything>we still have to prevent mass genocide from the shards merging>the "disbanded" scions are still the same companions we've had for yearsyeah, okay. best start filling out that apology form to save time
>>740774504The goal is shared and I'm sure she'd have no qualms joining us if we find a way to start rejoining shards withoutx causing mass genocides.
>>740774837Last time I looked the solstice was Hydaelyn's fault
>>740774339If you balance incoming damage so that>a skilled healer in on-patch ultimate has no time for anything but healing>a healer in a roulette where everyone's failing mechanics has no time for anything but healingThat's great, in those situations players really get to live the healer fantasy.But then in the other 99% of playtime, healers are stuck pressing dps skills all the time. You either have to make regular content require constant, high quantities of healing - in which case all the casuals quit because it's too stressful. Or you have to give healers a mini-dps rotation to hold their interest. At the moment we have neither, so the reward for being good at healer is pressing Broil 22 times per minute while you fall asleep.
>>740774865Nice optimism but the X.5 MSQ often gets ignored or contradicted by the (X+1).0 MSQ that comes after it.Remember how pointless all the lunar primal tower shenanigans were before Endwalker? Or how Wuk's characterisation changed from Endwalker to Dawntrail? The Halmarut we know now may be totally different next year.
>>740774865>The goal is sharedno it isn'tthe retarded lizard wants to do the same retarded shit the unsundered ascians want to do and genocide the lesser shards for the benefit of the source, she has and will continue to oppose us instead of trying to figure out whatever alternative solution we'll pull right out of our asses that will probably end with a happy ending for everyone (as the WoL is wont to do)
>>740775324This argument is stupid. Casual content is boring because it is casual. It’s boring to tank, it’s boring to dps because nothing happens. Adding 1-2-3 glaraga doesn’t change the fact it is extremely underscaled. The real goal is a full seperation of msq-onlies into trusts /babymode content, and everything designed for daily play scaling starts at EX (but not mechanics).
>>740775752>Urianger: If Halmarut doth truly seek a rejoining to avert this Solstice─to ensure some survive when otherwise all would perish...then our interests are not so disparate.
This death is the very definition of 'Death Spiral'.
>>740775941>didn’t get to pretend to betray us for two expansions in a row nowHe’s getting antsy and already considering how to get away with it, isn’t he
>>740775769Wrong, DPS (and some tanks) can still have fun optimising their damage and tools in casual content. Healers just spam 1 button.
>>740776279Then overcome your tankiety and do that if you want a short queue, rather than delete healing abilities to make room for glaraga (+5 potency when cast after glare). Roulettes are a fucking chore and are being deleted next xpac anyway.
>>740776279Casual content is fun to dps and sometimes even fun to tank (when I get to use Cover or TBN effectively). It's not fun to heal, but it would be if I had 5 dots and cleric stance to play with.
>>740774686I've done fates a couple level higher than me and I notice no difference in exp gain. It still gives like ~2.5% of a level. The "You are lower level and won't receive as much credit towards" only affects you if other players are doing the fate as well since it might throw you down to bronze or silver medal when it's over.
>>740740763god shes so cute
>>740776703You have no standards.
>>740740763Am I trans if I like cotton candy now?
>>740776905yes
>>740776451????Asking bored healers to play tank doesn't solve anything.
>>740776643Nah I'm talking about when you're specifically doing something like doing Shadowbringers fates before 70. I went into a 71 fate at 66 and got only around 50k xp even with a gold medal when normally you'd get about 300k for a Shadowbringers one. What I'm wondering is if it's because I was a lot lower than the fates level or if it was specifically because I wasn't 70+.
>>740777042Actual healers wouldn’t be asking to lose healing abilities to 1-2-3 in the clyteum. Dpsissies looking for a short queue would. Anyway the easiest solution is drop the ilvl synch 10-20 levels, and double the size of tankbusters. Okay, fixed all casual content, now you have to heal.
>>740777196Okay but only if we prune all tank abilities, make them spam 1 button, and give them a bunch of superfluous mitigation abilities.
>>740777196If we lose most of the free oGCD heals then we'll actually have to heal more, and that's a good thing. Some of the button space can be used to make the dps side of things more interesting than just 11111111 and that's also a good thing.
>>740728062Sorry bro she's a bit busy right now with my WoL
>>740774837>we still have to prevent mass genocide from the shards mergingthis has never not been the case. with hydaelyn gone, so is her will that sundered the source in the first place. it is only natural that the shards return.
>>740777945>that haircutWhat is Endless Sphene doing cosplaying her meat version?
>>740777718>it literally is a dpsissy with tankietyLmao, called it
>>740778453Actual tanks wouldn't want fell cleave and continuation. You really only need 1 or 2 dps skills to keep you busy, the rest of your time should be spent actually tanking. That's why you should have 3 enmity GCDs, 5 mitigation GCDs and 15 mitigation oGCDs. Current tanks are designed from dpsissies looking for a short queue.
>>740778407classical misdirectionshe's tanking meat sphene's rep by fucking people in broad daylight
>>740770358Its not that bad unless your a tranny that needs to be the center of attention at all times. Something MMOs never did until very recently and attracted all these mentally ill axe wound freaks that screech if they aren't being represented every nano second.
>>740778836>your a trannygood morning saar
>>740778695I think evolved PLD looks good for that. It incentivizes something the really top tier PLD players are doing already to encourage more casual tank players to actually use their fucking mits on autos
>>740778695I remember back in the day you had a combo that dealt more damage but didn't generate extra emnity and the emnity combo
>>740779357I miss that kind of thing. If healers even had something like that it would be a big step up from now.
