Realistically why would anyone ever play a VN over a JRPG? I mean, think about it.>exploring a world>combat so you dont get too bored with the story segments>interesting choices, decision making>item, stat managementversus>press A for the next line seven billion times
Realistically, why would you play either? Both genres suck ass
JRPG's have:>pretty graphics>subpar stories>combat to drag out the gameVN's have>a chance for a good story>real art direction>auto-advancing text, can relax or eat food without getting your controller dirty
Maybe they don't care about any of that stuff and would prefer it to just be well written instead of vapid slop like P5.
>>740751703>Maybe they don't care about any of that stuff and would prefer it to just be well writtenThey're not gonna find an awful lot of that among VN's. There's some cute waifu slop and serviceable porn amongst them, though. And I guess Tohsaka's anus.
>>740751468>comparing two entirely different kinds of gamesWhat kind of severe autism is this?
Why does /v/ get so autistic about VNs? Most VN readers know they're just interactive books, they're not pretending they're the same as other video games.
>>740751960A JRPG is a combination of a story as well as other roleplaying systems that put you in the world. A VN is just a story. JRPGs only add, it's not a different concept
Fate has more gameplay than persoyna shithttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/GKb7SnRP-f7G4eXL32jBOQ/
>>740751960As it just so happens, Fumiaki Maruto—writer of one of the most beloved VN's of all time in White Album 2—actually thinks you can, in fact, pick up a couple of highschool girls who made a decent indie VN and have them lead the scenario and art teams for the most popular JRPG franchise in Japan. He legitimately things that is a believable plot point. This is because Fumiaki Maruto is a god damn hack, and Saekano (much like White Album 2) is dogshit.
>>740752341Legitimately thinks*
Feels like JRPGs have a harder time telling a good story since the story needs to work around the gameplay. You end up with the story coming to a halt whenever you have a dungeon or level or something and then most of the game is structured to consist of multiple dungeons so there's some repetition in the story a lot of the timeVNs are free to do whatever since they're just words and static images. A lot of VNs are shit, but the good ones end up being better than most JRPGs in coming up with a more interesting narrative
>>740752048"Only add" is a bizarre choice of words, there is a real opportunity cost to both the development team and the player to add anything at all to a game.Imagine if Super Mario had RPG mechanics, the very nature of the game itself changes, and not at all for the better unless every other part of the game also changes to accommodate this.In this particular example, Fate Stay/Night does not really have the normal trash mobs that would have to exist in a regular JRPG. So either these trash mobs would have to be created (and thus alter the setting and story) or the RPG elements themselves would have to be drastically altered, probably reduced, in order to have a working game.
>>740751468Realistically why would anyone ever play a JRPG over a VN? I mean, think about it.>easy, unstimulating combat>10,000 random encounters to pad length>boring dungeons, every treasure chest has a healing item you'll never use>equipment upgrades are all flat stat increases or +whatever resistance (worthless)>story is only fleshed out in the very beginning and end of the gameversus>100% pure unfiltered storytelling KINO to immerse yourself in>sex
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sweet a schizo thread. What's the QRD on OP this time?
>>740751468This is a good thread, but we need serious analysis and discussion. I strongly encourage it.
>>740751468Because they want to read a long-form text instead of play a game you dumbass.
tesuto
>>740751468>Why would you read a book when you could play a video game?
>>740751468VNs can actually change your life.
>>740751468I play bothWhat now, OP? What are you gonna do now? Are you gonna suck my dick? Gonna tweak my nipples a little?
>>740758647>changes to a cuckoldsasuga
>>740751468JRPGs are honestly shit. Even personas and megatens still aren't even close to the potential of the genre. Literally the same shitty gameplay that could have xisted back on fucking nes. And the dungeons which have no mechanics but only "come and press circle to flip something" as a gammick are the lamest shit ever.
>>740752425>jrpgs add trash mobs to the world>they are completely not acknowledged by said world, characters, events, history, science etc.Am I the only one who this pisses the fuck off? This is like Skyrim's ridiculous bandit infestation, but WORSE.
>>740751468Why not both at the same time?
>>740751468JRPGs are shitty VNs with extra bullshit to make up for it.>exploring a worldJRPG exploration is pointless and doesn't really add anything to the core gameplay. Maybe you get stronger (making easy games easier) or learn some backstory to some irrelevant character, but ultimately whether you explored or not. The outcome of the game is exact the same.>combat so you dont get too bored with the story segmentsThe combat in these games is piss shit easy. It's just a minigame to waste time.>interesting choices, decision makingMost JRPG don't have any and handful that do are on the same level or bellow VNs in this aspect.>item, stat managementNo more than a reliq from the table top RPGs. Modern reloplaying games shouldn't have excel spread sheets. They should test skill, risk taking and decision making. Things that virtually no JRPG demands.The only good things about JRPGs are SOMETIMES the story, designs and soundtrack. The things that VNs can have (and have it better) without having to bother with bullshit """gameplay""".That said, I don't like VNs either. Just watch a fucking anime.
>>740759032I'm going through Prelude to the Fallen right now actually. So far, Karulau is best girl.
>thinly veiled Persona seethe thread/v/ is so back
>>740752884Most vns have absolute garbage writing, even some of the most praised ones can have bits of low effort writing(like Higurashi for example). the best of them are indeed better than any jrpg but most of the time you will read something shit.
jrpg's fucking suck by and large. the pacing is universally awful. despite being easy, both chrono trigger and FFX are some of the few to ever get that right and the games constantly keep moving foward with game play and story in tandem. VN's also largely suck but the few that are good are such kino i shan't utter them because they need to be gatekept from zoomer weebs.
>>740751468In theory, a VN is much more focused on writing and will excel in that area. None of them that I'm aware of are actually notably superior to JRPGs in that regard, though.
>>740759415Just say you prefer reading visual novels to JRPGs and be done with it lil bro there's no need to justify yourself
>>740759763I am zoomer and I know your ever 17, umineko, original tsukihime, subahibi, grisaia, symphonic rain, muv luv, majikoi, all keyge etc. You can't hide them.
>>740751468can you have sex in JPRGs? checkmate nigga
Zoomers AKA teenagers have their own VNs that not only appeal to them but even speak to their mental wellbeing, too.
>>740760063Manosaba is the voice of a generation
>>740760063VNs keep you grounded in reality and encourage critical thinking, whereas JRPGs put you in denial about reality? That sounds about right.
>>740751468Visual Novels are actually more straightforward and show stronger respect to the player's time compared to JRPGs. >exploring a worldFine and rewarding in 2D games with great movement options, where you can choose (important) to blitz through areas or take your time exploring them and getting immersed. Cancerous and atrocious in games with deliberately slow movement, bad combat, chore quests like "push boxes around", yellow paint in 3D games, etc. The player being able to dictate the pace is what separates well-designed games from horrendous walk&talk/unskippable cutscenes slop.>combat so you dont get too bored with the story segmentsVNs like Baldr Sky did that, Rose Guns Days did that with simple minigames. You also don't necessarily need actual "combat" gameplay proper to have engaging player interactions, puzzles that are presented as such work great too. (hybrids like Ace Attorney, Danganronpa, Zero Escape, Your Turn To Die, Gnosia fit well here. VNs like Umineko or Sekimeiya don't offer much gameplay-wise, but require the player to be actively taking notes and figuring things out on their own.)>interesting choices, decision makingOne of the core features of a visual novel/dating sim in the first place, RPG elements are not necessary for player choice to have a significant impact.>item, stat managementComing back to the point above; poorly thought-out RPG elements, skill trees, stat slop """""gameplay"""" that give a false sense of depth but don't actually change how you engage with the game beyond aesthetics or cosmetics, (a surprisingly high number of games fall under this umbrella) are worse than strictly linear experiences. Those options often are believed to be strategical in nature, when in truth they're just obtuse, almost puzzle game-like systems. ARPGs especially suffer heavily from this, because these options become crutches negating most of the mechanical challenge required to tackle enemies, and the game's design suffers from it.
>>740761762VNs are designed for people who hate video games.
>>740751468OP i understand you saw the length of each game and thought "it's crazy the longer one is considered less of a waste of time" but it's not interesting to talk about and you don't need to keep making threads about it.
>>740762059I love videogames and books, not movies.
>>740761762based
>>740762059I like both video games and VNs.
>>740762982Most visual novels are a cross between books and films with very few gameplay elements lil bro. The main aim is to read the text and look at the pictures not to play a game.
>>740751468Persona is a VN with a barebones JRPG minigame slapped on it though
>>740759443My favorite was Camyu
>>740761762I love monokuma theatre! He always makes such great points!
Danganronpa has shit writing compared to actual kamige
>>740751468>exploring a world>in PersonaYes I love exploring the world that is composed of going through the same 20 static screens over and over and then doing a boring hallway simulator dungeon>combat so you dont get too bored with the story segmentsCombat in persona is literally the most barebones braindead JRPG combat of the genre. It makes Dragon Quest combat look complex by comparison. My theory is Persona is so popular because it's simple and easy to digest for low intelligence people (lowest common denominator)>interesting choices, decision makingWow I can get no stars or 3 stars to make the character's bar go up to unlock thing. >press A for the next line seven billion timesThat's literally what you're doing for 90 hours of a Persona game, and the rest is moving to the next hallway and pressing up and down on menus.
Reading a well written story is more interesting than scrolling through the same menus to press "attack" 10,000 times.
>>740764280>Reading a well written storythat doesn't apply to fate though
>>740763909Most jarpigs are a cross between books and films with very few gameplay elements lil bro. The main aim is to read the text and look at the pictures not to play a game.
>>740759443>Karulau>Your ears hear Karura>It's カルラ in Japanese>Translate it as KarulauGod I hate the localization of the Utawarerumono series so much
>>740751468was going to dedicate more than a brain cell to this topic but I have decided to reconsider
>>740764305And? It still has more gameplay elements than most VNs. Just because you hate it doesn’t mean JRPGs and VNs are even comparable.
>>740751468I only get loli incest eroge VNs else I just play JRPGs
>>740751468my vn has world exploration, interesting choices, decision making, and item managementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WqhS6FKgXw
Alright I want to play a VN, which one should I play?
>>740764894Muramasa and Subahibi are both life changing
Also yeah retards constantly go on about how much better VNs are compared to other videogame genres even though they still sell like dogshit. The gatekeeping within the community are strong I guess.
>>740764953>durrr popular = goodGo back tourist
>>740764998Kill yourself braindead nigger
>>740758647>>740764945This is what makes vns special. I've read the best of jrpgs, even stuff like Xenosaga yet none of it managed to change my life philosophy. Vns have writing akin to literature that can drastically change your world view.
>>740751468I think the real question is why would anyone play a VN over reading a book? Jrpgs and VN's are completely different experiences.VN's just have fucking awful writing and a whole host of issues in their readability compared to a book.It just doesn't make sense to me. you either want to play a game or you want to read a story, having story in a game is fine and its good to provide context for your actions, but why would you ever go to a video game if you primarily want a story?
>>740765087I accept your concession
>>740764894The Fox who Waits for You>>740765268OST/voice acting. jarpgis arent games. they are only pretending to be games
>>740765161Basically this. "The writing doesn't hit the same" is something that's hard to articulate or give a reason for but it's true.>>740765268I think there's something about adding the visual/audial components to VNs that make it all come together in a special way. CGs, an OST, and fantastic voice acting allow for a more cinematic experience while still giving you all of the time with characters that you can only get from a textual format. It's the best of all worlds, in my opinion. >>740764894There's better VNs but witch on the holy night is pretty short (comparatively) and has great production. It's not baby's first vn but I'd recommend it to anyone earnestly trying to get into the genre
>>740752884based
>>740759415>>740759763>>740761762>>740765503Thank god this board still has actual humans with taste in it. There is still hope
>>740759443birds cute
>>740765401Haven't you killed yourself yet? I'm waiting. The future of the entire VN industry depends on your suicide.
>>740764894for getting into classics play the pc-98 game called Desire. it has an english patch and is pretty easy to emulate. it's basically the prototype for yu-no which is the historically highest rated vn on the japanese vn ranking and review site erogamescape. pc-98 yu-no also has a good english patch. the remake of yu-no on steam has different art and music and kinda lost the vibe of the original but the writing is about the same.
>decision makingVNs are one of the few genres that still have routes. I like persona games but what the fuck are you even on about? They're railroaded as fuck with exception of the first game which at least has an early game route split which is better than nothing.
Only tiktok cosplayers can save the VN industry.
>>740765589>witch on the holy nightTrying that out and loving it is what finally convinced me to give Fate/Stay Night a shot after ignoring everything Fate for almost 20 years.
>>740765589>iving you all of the time with characters that you can only get from a textual format.Keyge give you all the time with the characters, yet half of their catalogue have characters written like otaku tropes and the emotional moments are built on sad music and a lot of melodrama rather than good writing. It really depends on the vn, most of them are pretty trash.
being able to walk around a map and talk to NPCs is ludokino
>>740751468Need the VN segments to keep you from getting bored with the combat.
>>740751468The combat in JRPGs is almost always superfluous and piss easy anyway, VNs cut out the gameplay fluff, at the end of the day people come to JRPGs mostly for the story. VNs also have the advantage of way less content censoring and getting away with a lot more due to usually 18+ ratings. If you're not a faggot you just play both anyway, you're probably just attention fried alphie who can't read.
>>740769334it is in games like mina the hollower or silksongnot in games like automata
Modern JRPGs are just boring and extremely poorly paced action games. They also haven't told interesting stories (which was once their forte) in multiple decades at this point.
The real redpill is that mysteryge is dead because anyone smart enough to write a compelling mystery is also smart enough not to make a fucking VN
I like JRPGs but Persona is boring to me for some reasonThe way it separates story and combat (stuck in generic dungeons) just makes it bland for some reaosn
Most vns are moege or nukige slop. I haven't seen a medium filled with so much garbage in a long time. The good stuff is above most vidya in terms of storytelling though.
>>740769607Yeah wtf are they writing instead then
>muramasabruh...the text is vertical!! do weebs really?
>>740769823Commissioned erotica for furries who overpay.
>>740761762Powerful Monokuma poster
>>740769875Ts frying me fr bruh im crine
>>740751468Shoehorning gameplay into sections that dont require it is the worst thing about rpgs. Even if the gameplay is fun, I find myself skipping as many encounters as possible to get to the next story beat if it's engaging. Meaningless fighting is so boring. I want every combat to matter
>>740763909Nobody shills VNs for their gameplay. Meanwhile jrpg troons will praise features like being able to le explpre, or combat segments that are deep as a puddle when the gameplay of these games don't lend themselves for them. I can play zelda 2, silksong, super metroid or rusted moss if I want to move around and being rewarded for exploring game worlds, not some slow and braindead clunky walk and talk simulator that might've as well been a cutscene since the gameplay adds nothing to the fundamental experience other than some vague sense of control. I can play God Hand, Ninja Gaiden, Street Fighter 2, Smash Bros with friends or family if I want to challenge myself fighting difficult enemies or people with games that ask me to be fully present mechanically. I can play XCOM, Total War, Lichess, advance wars by web or god forbid even pokemon showdown with smogon troons if I want to have a great time playing turn based games with friends or randoms both.I have yet to play or see a JRPG that will give me a narrative better written than what I can find in visual novels (outside of H-games) and there is no rpg at all that will give me the high-octane mechanical gameplay or thoughtful puzzle solving I seek when playing videogames. It's just a weird genre for people who don't want to admit they want to watch movies instead of playing games. Visual novel players (>) aren't going around singing praises for epic gameplay, they know they're in for reading with sound effects and slideshows. Insecure jrpg shitters do that constantly and have the gall to claim they have higher IQ or attention spans than people who don't like braindead 4 niggas in a row slop or gacha QTE press X for awesome "combat". Make it make sense. Guns and ball niggers at least play stuff with gameplay
>>740760481 >the most weeaboo pandering escapist medium even compared other kinds of weeb stuffI do like VNs but lets not delude ourselves here
RPGs are (mostly) unironically too straightforward for me to get into nowadays narratively. I'm enjoying VNs because alot of the time the stories, alongside the way it's written to give more personal depth to the characters through speech, thoughts and descriptions. Whereas most RPGs I play have the characters either spout their feelings or barely go into depth in the first place, most ATLUS RPGs are the perfect example.As for mechanically, whilst you have simplicity in VNs as standard, there's gameplay in some that does stand out, not because it's in anyway impressive compared to RPGs, but instead because spending my life playing RPGs, I've been through the motions so much that VNs are a breath of fresh air.Also, again on the RPG gameplay side, using ATLUS games as an example, when they have been using market standard JRPG 4 guys in a row gameplay for so long, only covering it up with high quality animations, makes me tired to the genre in the first place. Thankfully we've got RPGs still coming out that play differently enough, and an entire catalogue of failed and finished series in the past with unique RPG designs that exist in that sole era of time, team and development.Also, to be snarky towards ATLUS, and Persona in particular, the stories in those games are so needlessly long, that for the quality of writing, I actually would just prefer a VN, because at least the writing would be more than characters just talking to each whilst basic models follow programmed animations standing in a room with shitty textures.
>>740751468Jpgs especially turn based have garbage combat that you want to play on easy with x4 speed to skip it as fast as possible to read rest of the story, while VN only has meat but often too much of it, so much that it gets overbloated with slice of life segments.
>>740758647I have to know if you're being ironic with that pic.>>740765161This is true though, I wouldn't say akin to literature, but that's not a good/bad judgment just that they're different.
>>740774147Muramasa is life changing unironically.
>>740774191How did it change your life anon? I found it to be a fun ride but it lacked substance imo. And by substance I guess what I specifically mean is human characters with depth and breadth of feeling. And the philosophy was demonstrated by the story/argued by the characters in a very shallow way. I'm not trying to fight you, this is just what I felt, I've shared it, and now I'm open to hearing your thoughts.
>>740751468This VNs are boring. If I wanted to read books I'd read books. If it doesn't have any actual gameplay to switch things up it's not worth my time.This is coming from someone who reads LNs/WNs regularly.
>>740774248I used to be a serial killer but Muramasa managed to convince me to stop being one.
>>740758647Wildly overrated>non stop rape ntr scenes because of lol shock value>the game hits you in the head with its message about moral philosophy constantly>70% of the story doesn't fucking matter>long, overcomplicated prose to extend the VN time>unsatisfying endings>shit romances and routesI would agree the music and battle scenes were good though
>>740774248>it lacked substance imo.It had more substance than fate and the heroines felt more humane
>>740774248>lacked substanceThat is a genuinely wack thing to say about Muramasa.
>>740774417I see.>>740774521I don't think it has more substance than fate but I didn't finish Muramasa so I can't say jack shit. But even comparing what I read to just the Fate route I think Fate would have more substance. Just my opinion. And no one in Muramasa felt human imo, so Fate wins in that regard too. I'm kind of autistic and always say when I disagree but I'm not saying you're objectively wrong, let's agree to disagree.>>740774657Okay... gomen.
>>740765268VNs are a different medium than books because of their digital nature. Sure, they're mostly books, but the part of them that isn't like books changes a fucking lot about how they're written.What you don't understand is that books are an extremely well-explored medium with literal centuries of active exploration and millenniums of passive exploration. Everything you could do with a medium is already done so people just focus on storytelling and refine what's already been done. Which is fine, I like books, but the medium inherently doesn't fit some types of stories because of its limitations and there's overall less novelty in it since the low-hanging fruit has been picked.Games in general and VNs in particular aren't nearly as mature a medium which means there's a ton of potential for entirely new stories and tropes which makes no sense for books. This should be obvious if you read a single VN with routes, an omnipresent trope in VNs that is almost entirely absent in books. And that's not the only thing that's different.Also, obviously visuals and audio also affect the end product.As for the quality, it just depends on who's writing it. There are shitty books, there are godly VNs. There's not so few good VNs that I don't have enough to read at least.
>>740774816>ut even comparing what I read to just the Fate routeOh, read the others. I liked Fate but for UBW Rin felt like just a tsundere with her attitude being explained by her origin, not that interesting imo.
Don't fall for kamige memes.
>>740772308>blah blah VNs are le good JRPGs are le badYeah bro JRPGs are at least not dead yet can you say the same about the VN industry nowadays?
>>740774918>particular aren't nearly as mature a medium which means there's a ton of potential for entirely new stories and tropes which makes no sense for booksIn a way true but most people would agree that we are past the golden age of vns and the 00s were way better regarding the stuff that got written. A lot of the vns made nowadays are just copying and reinterpreting the older vns just like in the case of books. > there are godly VNWhich ones are kamige in your opinion?
>>740751468I read VNs. I play JRPGs. I play CRPGs. I play adventure games.I enjoy all of them, and I think they're all distinct in their own ways and nearly incomparable to each other, despite all of these genres being story-focused (though for RPGs it honestly depends on the game).VNs aren't really like JRPGs if you actually get into the common tropes and genre restrictions.
>>740775424>VNs aren't really like JRPGs if you actually get into the common tropesThey all have otaku tropes, medieval fantasy vns are pretty close to jrpgs.
>>740775029>le salescapeslop is good then
>>740751468Hollow ataraxia has better gameplay than persona 5 on every difficulty but Hard
>>740775614have fun yelling at cloud bro you're just a bitter unc with no understanding of how the world works
>>740751701>can relax or eat food without getting your controller dirtyI can think of a third messy thing you can do while reading a VN.
>>740751468I can't think of less developed or player input demanding or rewarding genre than JRPGs. Speaks volumes that fucking Persona and Digimon became the face of JRPGs today.
>>740774147>>740765161>>740765589Does it count as life changing if Umineko convinced me to transition?
>>740775029>shit women watch on youtubecoreYeah, dead as shit.
>>740775029>not a single new IPSo VNs are in a better spot?
>>740751468Heavens feel by itself is a better story than any jrpg
>>740775921Nta but they are both in a kind of shitty spot. Even vns are a shadow of what they once war.
>>740775921>So VNs are in a better spot?Sure if you're a bitter unc with nothing better to do than complain all day
>>740775958Uhm, Tobira no Densetsu?
>>740758647True.
>>740776062Subahibi is extremely relatable because I was also raped by my bullies back in highschool
>>740776062I have no idea how subahibi is supposed to change anyone's life, it's a fun story but it's just that entertainment.
>>740776129I learned how to live happily. Kino
>>740776129Finally, after all these years, wonderful everyday begins.
>>740758980>what do they eat
>>740774451>non stop rape ntr scenesDoes it actually have this?
>>740775918>start a thread complaining about why nobody plays visual novels>get upset when someone points out why JRPGs are better and more popular
>>740776428It's one of the highest rated vns of all time so maybe. Mla is also extremely highly rated and it has NTR kino.
>>740776513>better and more popular>no one's playing them>it's gotten so bad that developers are providing free cheat updates to try and get you retards to actually play them>the bulk of (second hand) consumers are all mentally ill women
>>740775048>we are past the golden age of vns and the 00s were way better regarding the stuff that got writtenEh, perhaps, but if so, I think it's more due to the economics and cultural hangups of Japanese VN scene than because the medium was fully explored in these 3 decades. I think there's more to uncover, and in the worst case, you could try mixing in some stuff from the wider gaming ecosystem too.Or maybe I'm wrong and there isn't more to it. But I'm sceptical.>Which ones are kamige in your opinion?A tough question. I was making more of a general statement here rather than saying I read a lot of godly VNs. I actually have high standards for calling something "godly" and I still didn't read a lot of the classics too.The first thing that comes to my mind is probably Tsukihime Far Side. The second that comes to mind is Raging Loop, until the ending it might have been that good. I would probably count Ace Attorney in if it wasn't more of an adventure game.The rest... A lot of them were good or even great but not a lot I would call godly. I guess I respect 428 for what it was trying to do, but it had enough problems I would struggle to call it godly. Nothing else comes to mind at the spot.
>>740776595what is this responseI thought VNfags were so smart because they've read a lot
>>740776129>I have no idea how subahibi is supposed to change anyone's life,Part of it is a /vn/ meme.
>>740776693That's reality, get used to it. You were celebrating the reanimated corpse of a gacha you'll never play hours ago.
>>740776648>Eh, perhaps, but if so, I think it's more due to the economics and cultural hangups of Japanese VN scene than because the medium was fully explored in these 3 decades.I do agree with that. There is more to uncover, I think the same is true for ever other medium conceived in the last 60s-70s years as well. I was just saying that it's not in the best spot right now.> I would probably count Ace Attorney in if it wasn't more of an adventure game.I will allow you to count it because it's based. >428 Too bad it had no h-jav-scenes.
>>740776694>/vn/Not even once.
I’m at work so I can’t post my screen cap of FSN dialogue that literally goes >it can’t be helped >yeah, it can’t be helped
>>740751468VNs can tell stories that simply wouldn't work well with gamepelay. There's a reason people still talk about FSN to this day but no one really cares about the Fate games with actual gameplay.
>>740751468VN's are so fucking boring just go read a book
>>740779298Are you retarded? Why would reading a book be any more or less interesting? You're just reading text in both cases.
>>740779474Don't call it a video game then. Same way with cinematic video games. Go watch a movie.
>>740779474books are comfier cause you don't have to stare at a screen
>>740779646VNs are comfier cause you get to stare at an anime girl
>>740751468I just finished FSNI don’t like either of the endings for heaven’s feel. Normal is a bit too bleak and suffering and misses out on the giga kino scenes with Kirei and Illya. Whereas True End feels pretty clumsy and expositional (it’s the finale to the VN, do we really need to over complicate Shirou coming back just so you can allude to Touko). It also kind of makes me laugh because it feels like Sakura’s personal fanfic. It doesn’t entirely betray the routes themes as Shirou wanting to live is part of it, but it does undermine the constant messaging of sacrifice and repentance as there’s no real consequences for either Shirou or Sakura. IMO true end should have Illya resurrect Shirou flat out, no gay doll shit, but it’s limited to where Shirou can keep his promise to Sakura to view the cherry blossoms and he dies shortly after. bait the audience into thinking it’s a “repeat” of the normal end where it fast forwards through Sakura’s life through each spring, but eventually reveals Sakura isn’t some spinster by herself, Shirou knocked that bitch up in the brief time he was alive, and Sakura is a mother, tying to the themes of birth presented in the route. Sakura is punished by not having Shirou but it isn’t bleak. Shirou faces the logical consequences of abusing projection, and through abandoning his ideal and origin. Illya gains based points in the following the finale tiger dojo for taking credit of being Shirou’s wingman. Sakura from a meta POV gains an “advantage” over the other heroines (I can practically imagine her smug sprite gloating in gag content like the tiger dojos) when she really needed one given she’s about to get mega cucked by last episode anyways lmao There’s my fanfic ending to HF. It was still good, just bizarrely happy and I’m not really upset it just got me thinking. Probably my favorite route
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I'm close to finishing Higurashi Ch 8The beginning of the finale was awesome with how it feels like a believable cat-and-mouse game between the two parties, but then Akasaka's magic karate kinda took me out of it lmao. I don't want to overuse the word "cringe" but it got pretty close. Why the fuck wouldn't Okonogi & company carry handguns in that scene.Also one too many "this person appears just in time so save whoever is currently in a near hopeless situation". Getting a little whiplash from the writing being all over the place. Still having a pretty good time with this. Definitely preferred the mystery of the Question arcs more. Question and Answer arcs feel very different in their appeal.Wondering what I should read next, been considering either Utawarerumono or Fate. Dunno if any of the extra Higurashi stuff is worth reading, or maybe even better enjoyed after I've gained some distance from it.
>realistically, why would anyone ever read over playing video gamesThe average IQ of this board has to be in the low double digits
>>740780269I am already staring at animu girls the rest of the day, when I am reading at the end I prefer to relax my eyes but that's just me. You might have a different approach.
>>740774816>I didn't finish Muramasa Then why are you making claims like that?
>>740772308>Visual novel players (>) aren't going around singing praises for epic gameplay, they know they're in for reading with sound effects and slideshows.RPGmaker fans will though. And Rance fans
>>740774918no, I have read VN's, plenty of them, they pretty much always work better as books and a significant number of VN's have been adapted from LN's, which means they are just a strictly worse book then.routes isn't some untranslatable concept, plenty of books have been written starting again from another point where things happen differently, it isn't exactly a special concept, spin-offs are incredibly common to.> Everything you could do with a medium is already done I wonder if you have even read a book as well if you think these things lmao.the low hanging fruit of books having already been picked and no new style of book ever coming out, lmao, what a fucking take.How about we talk about how much longer is takes to read an equivalent of events in a VN than a book because of requiring text scroll (and you to click, or worse yet, auto display so its like a worse movie), let alone animations and how this disrupts the flow of reading, you can argue this doesn't happen, but there is a fucking reason every VN has a log and very often you can scroll back to prior dialog, because they are actually needed, which isn't a problem for a book.>stories and tropes which makes no sense for bookssuch as?every different medium has different stories suited for it and unsuited for it, but VN's have basically nothing unique they can do from a book, they take all the disadvantage of visual mediums and all the disadvantages of non visual mediums as well, the same things that work for a book or radio drama don't work for a movie or comic and vice versa, or at least have a lot more problems to deal with if it isn't just "don't work", but VN's just take all the disadvantages without their own unique advantages.genuinely believe you never read a book for leisure, or even read a book at all outside of assigned reading in school.
>>740774248I'm on your boat anon, it was cool and fun but I didn't get the hype of it being the ultimate kamige before its release, just didn't seem that deep.>>740774521I don't see that, the characters in muramasa do not really feel humane, they feel more like archetypes the author is playing with if anything
>>740781628>and a significant number of VN's have been adapted from LN's, which means they are just a strictly worse book then.What is this dumb nigga saying kek
>>740782020why would a story designed around a certain medium, when adapted to another medium, take advantage of that mediums strengths?are u really such a retarded nigger that you think that if you adapt a book to a VN its going to end up better? no its going to be identical to the book except a worse experience.I accept your concession.
I have said it before and I will say it again. The perception and truth of muramasa and dies irae are reversed.Muramasa has veneer (and perception) of being this auteur kino work but it’s really just a fun chuunige rompDies irae has the veneer and perception of being chuunige slop but it’s actual kino
>>740751468>he can’t enjoy bothThat said, it is a bit telling how Type Moon themselves have been wanting to move away from VNs to JRPGs for a long time now. Extra, FGO, it’s obvious that Nasu will finish the Tsukihime Remake out of obligation but that’s probably it for VNs, since they clearly prefer a more regular game design now
>>740780745visual novels don't count as reading with the amateurish prose
>>740782512Prose doesn’t suddenly transform because of the medium in which you’re reading it
I just like reading cute girls doing cute things. You can't do that in JRPGs.
>>740782182Almost no VNs are adapted from LNs?? The few i know of are like OreImo and Haruhi VNs which are just cheap cashgrabs. The VNs people actually talk about are original stories. This is like saying games are a shit medium because there used to be those movie tie in cashgrabs.At least attempt to understand the thing you're talking about on a basic level before engaging in discussion.
>>740782654NTA but VN dialogue is amateurish and the vast majority of them are classroom waifu sims with most of the rest being I’m such an evil demon type of games. The medium is YA, not literature.
>>740782654then show me a VN with good prose99% of VN's have awful writing and the budget of them doesn't go into writing quality
I haven't read a VN in a while, anything similar to grisaia? something with interesting heroine routes, not like the yuzuslop ones.
>>740764953But gacha games are literally more popular than jrpg and their whole shtick is copying from existing vns
>>740782972there is an absolute fuck ton of VN's that are adaptions of LN'seven 20% is a very significant number to be able to say, I don't have the exact numbers on it, plenty get adapted and then not translated.>20% of all VN's are strictly worse than books because they are in a worse format of book adaptionsIf I told you 20% of anything you engage with is directly going to be worse that is a significant amount.>The VNs people actually talk about are original storiesmost people who play VN's don't even know if it came from a LN or notjust like most people who watch anime have no fucking idea if it was originally a LN, manga, or VN.
>>740783013>>740783023This is irrelevant. The vast majority of works in any medium that exists is sub-mediocre. This goes for film, this goes for literature, this goes visual novels. Trying to artificially separate out YA and literature when they exists within the same medium only proves my point. The medium does not suddenly transform the prose. Most visual novels are bad. Yes. Most books are bad. Yes. Most music is bad. Visual novels simply have less total works to choose from. Mostly to do with the age of the medium rather than the medium itself.
VNs are slop but they are my slop damn it.
>>740783201Genuinely what the fuck are you talking about dude, name like 5 relevant VNs that came from LNs. I don't think you'll even find one mentioned in this thread that's like that. Hell even stuff being adapted from anime to VN is more common, though those are also usually irrelevant cashgrabsAnd I always look up what the source material for an anime is myself
>>740783325The best VNs are like 50th percentile books.
It's funny but did you know fate/stau night is considered a difficult VN to read in Japanese. Compared to most vns that is
>>740783475You don’t really know how many books there really are anon. No, when it comes to quality to quantity ratio, I’m not sure any medium is actually worse than books. There was probably 3 more lifestyle “self help” grifter style books published by the time I finished making this post, made purely for profit and completely low effort just hoping some content creator stumbles across it and it becomes semi viral
>>740751468It's hard to find a JRPG with good combat and a decent challenge
How is>press X to advance to the next line of dialogue (not even necessary, just put it on auto)any different than>press X to attack enemy on screen (not even necessary, just put it on auto)anyway I'm really impartial to both, I played few jrpgs, yet to find a VN that I won't drop (mainly to study japanese)
>>740783447>name 5sure no pro->name 5 RELEVANTwell do you want 5 or do you want 5 to some arbitrary bar?how about you name 5 VN's worth playing.what makes it worth? well I will judge that.you are schizoing out because I pointed out there is a significant amount of VN's adapted from LN's and are ignoring the actual points made.Are there VN's adapted from LN's? yes, lots, you even said so yourself. So this is not a point in question.this is a factual statement, I made a factual statement saying that in my post.you disliking reality doesn't change shit. there are VN's adapted from LN's.now, again.I accept your concession.You will get no replies from me with your continued schizoing out, make a point or shut the fuck up.
>>740783757It’s also way easier shit out some ai slop in printed material than any medium with an audio or video component
>>740783964Not him but you have just listed three for a start.
>>740751701>autowho the fuck uses auto outside of ero scenesyour reading speed is either too fast for the text which creates dead air or your reading speed is too slow and forces you to check the log sometimesthe benefit of a vn is that you can have visuals, sound and music but still read at your own pace like a book
>>740783964Who the fuck is still concession posting in 2026, it’s literally “I’m really butthurt and made so uuuuuuuuh you said you lose” and nowadays it’s basically only used when someone even isn’t trying to argue, someone just gives their opinion then some sperg tries to make it like an epic reddit showdown of facts and logic Be better
>>740783964You were trying to make the argument that fucking LNs of all things were a superior medium because a few random cashgrab LN adaptations have been made, while pretty much every VN ever that gets any praise is original to this medium, and you can't even name 5 LN adaptations to illustrate your point? Alright lil bro keep seething
>>740784083I do this but i feel like I am not reading it properly because I don't listen to the voices.
>>740784083one of the biggest advantages of written formats are how they are self paced, move at the exact speed you want them, no one ever speaks too fast, no one ever speaks to slow, you can time your time to think through anything that was said and its implications immediately, don't need to pause if you to stop for a moment to think.auto is just the pure antithesis to this and I couldn't imagine someone who actually has ever played a VN thinking auto is a good thing.
>>740784209Anon he accepted your concession! Don’t you know repeating decade old memes is the true mark of intelligence
>>740751468I don't want to "play" either of these things
>>740751468VNs have been completely replaced by gachas as a market
>>740787085Gachas are unfortunately worse than vns in pretty much every single way
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>>740751701So it's basically just reading a comic?
>>740751701>VN's have>>a chance for a good storyThere's like 2 good VNs out of 10k
>>740788891A vn like SG has a better storyline than basically any jrpg and it's not even close.
JRPGs are just VNs with fillerRandom battles in 99.9% of JRPGs die to just holding auto attack and healing after the fight. They serve 0 purpose.
>Win in the game>Lose in the cutscenenever happens in a VN btw
>>740784492Yes, we solved this ages ago by putting symbols on physical matter.
>saves EVNskneel
>>740789537It doesn't have sex in it so it's automatically shit
>>740784492When I am eating and have my hands full I like using automode. Still, I often find myself pausing or using the log sometimes even during meals. It's strange, really. There are situations where I can use auto mode for hours but then it feels uncomfortable, like too slow during tense situations and too fast for slow-paced descriptive scenes.
>>740791145Try actually reading it.
>>740791293No I would need to have brain damage to read that trash
>>740782654It does. Visual Novels don't read the same as physical paper books, there's barely any effort put in the writing save for rare exceptions. It's often without metaphors or tricks, and straight to the point.
>>740791293I did. Steins Gate tells nothing
Which vs are simply fun to read? So far I went through about 20 of them and muramasa was the only one with really engaging text to the point of me finishing a 70 hour novel in 2.5 weeks. I guess people praise Tanaka Romeo a lot, but I'm not learning japanese for a handful of material I'm interested in. Among games Rance is very fun, but it's more about what's written rather than how it was written.
>>740751468Because the story is the entire point? In Persona the combat is just filler between the story segments.
>>740793131>Which vs are simply fun to read?There are none. Visual Novels are written like picture books for children because otakus with zero standards who never grew up are the target audience.
>>740791692A phrase you have no doubt seen many times in your life “you retarded faggot” does not change whether it’s in print or on a tv screen. Actual room temp IQ
>>740793836Again, this is not relevant. This is the case for most media. Most media is for absolute retards, and most of it is very bad. Especially books. For every otaku slop eroge there’s an exponentially larger amount of female self insert romance slop. For every trash VN there’s quite literally thousands of similarly trashy novels
>>740794575It is not, go on /lit/ and find out
>>740793836That's a very radical viewpoint that is fairly rooted in reality.
>>740793836You say that because you don't read much. One thing is true though : most of the shit you can read or play out there is pure trash whether it's a VN, a game or a novel. The thing is you usually read things for a reason. It can be either for entertainement or to learn something about a specific subject. Good books, good stories are the ones that entertained (you). That's the truth. Whether they're good or bad doesn't matter, how can you even properly judge entertainement or something that is rather subjective? You can judge a book about physics or maths --> it's either true and useful or bullshit and it's a bad book. But a piece of entertainement? I liked a VN and you didn't like it, you even say it's shit.. So what?
>>740751468Realistically why would anyone ever play a JRPG over ajn EROGE? I mean, think about it.>exploring a world>varied gameplay so you don't get bored with the genre>interesting choices, decision making>item, stat management>sexversus>excel sheet gameplay
>>740796263The only thing that bothers me a bit in VN is the lack of interactivity. I'm not saying we should have gameplay loop and padding and time wasting stuff like in JRPGs but I do think the format could gain something if devs would add stuff like mini games, more game overs.. little things like that
>>740796410Wrong genre tardface. VN != Eroge
>>740751468Here's a fun thing, people obsess over the romance in Persona games despite most of them being shallow as a fucking puddle on a sunny day.At the very least VNs will give you some meat to your romances, at least to the point you'd get really attached because that's the point, to sell you a romantic story but a lot of Persona stuff can be 100% platonic and the only thing differentiating that between a romance is a single dialogue choice.
I realized that I've been RPG games only to experience a life changing story. But that only ever happens very rarely and more commonly in VNs. So now I just read VNs. Turn based RPGs are fucking boring shit I convinced myself was good so I could experience the story.
>>740751468>why would anyone ever play a VN over a JRPG?because combat in jrpg is braindead and filler
>>740772308>zelda 2, silksong, super metroid or rusted moss>God Hand, Ninja Gaiden, Street Fighter 2, Smash Bros>XCOM, Total War, Lichess, advance wars by web, pokemon showdownI like how you obviously know that your taste and knowledge absolutely mogs the fuck out of any possible defender of JRPGs and rightly flaunt this.
>>740751468Because VNs offer me kino stories that Jrpgs don't offer me. That is not to say there a no kino jrpgs. But there's no Jrpg Dies Iraes, or Ever 17, or Dengeki Stryker Simple as, anon. One does not replace the other and each offers different experiences. Both Xenogears and Demonbane are amongst my favorite games ever.
>>740796756Romance is vns is only good in some genres, for example all the moege I've tried have been garbage since the characters are shitty weeb tropes.
>>740797132And Persona characters are equally executed weeb tropes except with like 1/10th the screentime.
>>740797373I agree with that.
>>740796031very true. At the end of the day all this doesn't matter as long as you have fun or learn something about yourself or the world around you. It doesn't mean that we shouldn't talk about what works or what doesn't in each respective medium but overall I agree with you
>>740794834How about you go outside instead of posting like a literal bot
>>740788750Yes. And sometimes there's porn. if you read like 25 hours you'll get a nice jpeg.
>>740788750comics have sequential art a visual novel is a novel with illustrations
>>740784083>>740784492You know VN's have options that let you adjust the text speed and how long it stays, right?
