For me it's Jedi Knight II.
>>740778578Outcast is peak of the series.No, Fallen or Survivor are not in the same league.
>>740778578overrated combat, flailing the lightsaber around always looks goofy as fuck. I absolutely hate that people consider this the peak of swordfighting mechanics
>>740778578>>740779027Outcast is probably the best mechanically with the best difficulty but the levels are really fucking boring after a while. I still prefer replaying Academy simply because it has better level variety.
>>740779223Name one (1) game with better lightsaber combat. I'll wait.
Say it
>>740778578It is really fucking awesome
Jaden Korr should have had a girlfriend
>>740780998Jaden Korr IS my twi'lek girlfriend.
>>740780820I never doubted you George.
>>740780820You're the man now dog!
>>740778578beat this one 2 weeks ago, what a fun gamedesann was fucking bullshit, thank god for blue style backstabI'm going through jedi academy now, the non-linear quests are surprisingly more fun
Thrawns Revenge because Zsinj did nothing wrong
>>740780820Cunny.
>>740778578I'm more of a Jedi Knight I person, but II is a solid choice
>>740778578Same.I don't care what anyone says about how bad they are, I will always choose twinblade kino with the red lightsaber mod.
>>740783738I actually loved the recent Maul series. He's probably one of the few characters who wasn't fucked by Disney canon.
>>740781794He just wanted to make his alien tomboy waifu, but the bastards around him kept throwing up walls.
it's pretty deep lore but the game was actually developed in partnership with the us defense department as an enhanced interrogation technique. you would have a captive replay nar shaddaa repeatedly until they break.
>>740784716the snipers and bombers aren't that bad
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>>740779229Honestly I feel the reverse. Academy’s saber play is far more responsive (clunky kicks aside) while the missions outside the story ones all feel lacklustre.That said, the dark side finale is probably the peak of star wars gameplay.
>>740785898at what point do I define what ending I get? I've been getting power from both sides
>>740780820i still love you georgey, but AOTC still has retarded pacing
>>740780820Please buy back Star Wars and I will kneel in apology.
>>740786717Power choice only impacts how Luke/Kyle’s pre mission pep talk goes for each stage. The dark/light choice comes at the end of the third stage’s mission.
>>740778578The draw of this series was always the multiplayer. The SP is dogshit. Respawn's Jedi series has way better singleplayer.
>>740780820I hate you and the OT is only good despite George's retarded autistic efforts to fumble it
>>740780820The prequels aren't suddenly good just because Disney managed to make something worse
>>740787594No but 4chan and RLM made sure to kill star wars for good, while with the prequels we had some cool stuff
>>740780820Just because Disney Star Wars is soulless junk doesn't make the prequels suddenly good.
oh what coulda been
>>740780780Jedi Outcast in VR
>>740778578Fuck that one stealth segment though.
>>740787594Phantom Menace remains my favourite Star Wars film, but then again, I am Hungarian, and our guys managed to make Jar Jar's dub actually funny rather than cringe and annoying.
>>740787594when people say the prequels are good what the really mean is revenge of the sith is good
>>740779223What mechanics are there even? You just click and your guy swings the sword and also you can block, thats it. Lightsaber duels are basically random because you don't have that much control over how your guy swings the saber
>>740779229Outcast sits in a weird place for me, where I really like the level design from a mechanical perspective, but I hate how 3/4 of the game is different flavours of imperial metal and the rest is Bespin.
>>740781547i just tried this with new republicdidn't know anything about the EU, thought i won sweeping across the galaxy and then almost fucking lost triggering the dark empirei will read about zsinj next
>>740788105It's a lot more intricate than it first appears. Each directional swing is a different attack and they combo together differently. If you go online and fight someone who knows what they're doing they'll destroy you 100% of the time, probably without taking a single hit themself.
>>740787882This was what we got instead
>>740788192You are absolutely right and on paper JK saber combat was a thing of beauty but let's not pretend JK2 MP was anything but flip kick, red DFA, and backslash spam with the occasional force pull cheese. And JKA combat was saber poking autism or saber switch glitching with staffs and duals. The games had the potential to be amazing but once people found the meta it was joever, because it is the most broken, boring, repeptitive shit largely using exploits, and using it is mandatory if you want ot win fights.
>>740788453> let's not pretend JK2 MP was anything but flip kick, red DFA, and backslash spam with the occasional force pull cheeseAt high levels it was mostly adbs and yellowfagging
>>740781502The only thing I don't like about academy is the way it handles your force powers. Should've stuck wiith a more limited development schedule, once you get heal3 you're basically immortal and that's halfway through the first set of missions.
>>740788435why'd they waste maul in rebels and leave themselves no good plot points or fights? commander cody, the krrsantan fight
>>740786717It's a very obvious choice you get in the final act. Just remember that you can deactivate your saber manually.
>>740789307>mfw I accidentally right clicked on my first plathrough
>>740789630It's an easy mistake to make. I might've done something like that but I was also savescumming throughout the game first time through so I was able to just go back on it.
>>740789630>accidentallyAnon, nobody here will judge you for killing that little shit.It’s honestly one of the few genuinely tempting moral choices in video games.
>>740788712yeah, should've limited each level upgrade between each major story like the core force powers, makes the dark side more tempting instead of rushing heal, protection and absorb
>>740789307I know, I do it all the time for cool points, but I thought that was added with the enhanced mod
>>740789889I mean I still rush lightning after heal because who has time for dealing with small fry
>>740789976I prefer force choking them off a ledge
>>740788946
>>740786861Lucas couldnt figure out how fit AOTC and ROTS into 2 hours.
>>740778578Mogged by Cals games
>>740781794The council expected Anakin to fuck his padawan and forget the senator didnt they?
>>740786861The Zam chase and factory scene should have been cut down
>>740790409The counciil was a bunch of old men who had long forgotten what it's like to be a horny teenager, they expected him to keep it in his pants..
>>740789847Honestly I just found Rosh kind of sad and pathetic. Even on Master difficulty he's probably the weakest boss fight in the series and he's such a useless sack of shit I just can't be bothered to be mad at him.
>>740789973>but I thought that was added with the enhanced modNope, it's in vanilla and entirely intended. Admittedly I don't think any other weapon has the same feature but then I don't think they need it.
>>740790647That is true 99% of the time then he lands ONE strong style hit on you. The gimmick made the boss fight cool either way.
>>740780820The prequels are high art and haters either do not understand what they're trying to achieve artistically or are mad because their headcanon wasn't put on screen
>>740791480Now this is shitposting!
>>740780820Fuck you, sellout.
>>740791598I mean it without a shred of irony
>>740778578Best Star Wars game, and lore. My personal canon. Just finished a playthru on switch. We love you Kyle Katarn.
>>740791789better lore than kotor?
>>740790397I just finished this yesterday, my boy being knighted was pretty neat. Kinda shit that Merrin joined so late. How's Survivor compared to Fallen Order? I liked the Exploration of Fallen Order, though I was kinda too dumb to navigate Zeffo.
>>740780820“Lost the will to live” was almost as bad as “Palpatine returned somehow”
>>740778578>mfw THAT part of Jedi Academy with the entire planet being speeder bikes I still can't get past the bridge even when boosting?
>>740791480Funny, I’ve seen this defence used verbatim for TLJ
>>740792761Might be boosting too late.
>>740791480>The prequels are high artIt certainly tries to ape high art, so I guess if you've never seen any of that stuff before you would find this stuff revolutionary. Makes sense most of the people who feel this way were kids when the movies first came out.
>>740788435>Finally a show about Kenobi>Look inside>It’s actually about some nigress’s revenge arc
>>740792631It's good, merrin also joins too late in survivor i wanted the whole game to be about themand next game they're killing her
>>740778578I have over 1k cumulative hours in JK2 and JK3 and I have never beaten the campaigns.
>>740792186>you were deafenedat last, you could hear>you were brokenyou were whole>you were blindedand at last, you sawjedi knight is a nice sequel to the og trilogy, but it's pretty lukewarm lorewise, I dunno what that anon is on about
>scan the energy gate>says explicitely only inorganic materials can pass through red energy gates>reinforces this fact by having a hovering security Droid able to pass through it>you take damage and get knocked back if you touch it>spend several minutes trying to figure out what I'm missing in this puzzle to deactivate the gate>turns out the solution is to just dash through it and you pass through and don't take damage10/10 game design here
>>740792982Is it longer? Fallen Order took me 23 hours and I kinda wish it had more content.
>>740792761that shit is fucking kino when you stop chasing the other bikers and let them reach you and get immediately mauled by a saber attackyou should boost about 2/3 into the bridge, so the buildup ends before flying off, by the way
>>740785508>>740781794Garp: "Since everyone was nudered that joined the world order, she was the best thing that ever happened."Luffy: "Wait, then how was I and Ace conceived?"Garp: "That is the thing, Luffy, you weren't. At least not directly. Since Lady Gunko Manmayer is a special futa, meaning she a hermaphroditic, meaning she also had meat saber of her own, and because she never completed her training to become a holy knight, she never had her meat saber sliced off along with a devil horn on her head."Luffy: "What?"Garp: "Dear Lucy....We took both Roger and Dragon's genes and inserted them into Gunko's balls, allowing her to create sperm with your father and Ace father's DNA. That is how you were conceived. She is your surrogate father, Luffy.">Luffy turns to Gunko ManmayerLuffy: "Are you my father too?"Gunko: Nods. "I had some great, memorable times with your Amazon mother, as well as your half-brother's own mother, Rouge." *Winks
>>740790176>Wii U exclusiveRevive it, Nintendo!
>>740779027They're both better, And you can fuck right off with the tourism accusation; played the shit out of Movie Battles.Katarn is still the GOAT though, and it's criminal that Dark Forces hasn't gotten a modern reboot...
>>740791789>>740792186Mog by him?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ul6nKvugK0
>>740793619>modern rebootForce Awaken was a mistake
>>740792631I finished survivor yesterdayThe initial macguffin is sith dagger levels of contrived to get the plot moving, but aside from that as a character piece that builds on what came before its very good The game overall has a different feel though, phone order is very souls-lite, survivor still has that flavor but is more actions adventure oriented In the first one deciding to heal was a tactical choice you had to make because there was a lot of backtracking and you respawn the enemies The healing points respawn the enemies in this one too but they're extremely generous with shortcuts that bypass previous enemy encounters so there's so no reason to ever not healAnd for that reason the game is less punishing
The most sad aspect about Katarn is that Disney ignoring his existence is actually for the best. They would ruin him, completely and utterly and out of spite.Still don't understand how it was even possible to kill the golden goose. Star Wars literally printed money. Suddenly Disney took control and failed to even get back money from the films and merch sales started to drop. All the had to do was to continue what Lucas was doing.So why?
>>740793871
Kyle Katarn is a power fantasy mary sue whose traits change on a whim every new game. Some of you faggots thinking he is a real character mourning his "loss" are hilarious.>ex imperial>also single handedly stole death star plans>also single handedly stopped the dark trooper project>also a smuggler>also a rebel>also has hot Asian girlfriend>also he's a force sensitive>also becomes a Jedi at the age of 30 or something>also becomes Luke's BFF>also uses dark side and light side at the same time>also forgets the Force but then gets it again by taking a sip from the Force fountain>also becomes super important Jedi Master at Luke's academy>also knows Han and ChewieHe is such a Mary Sue, he puts Rey Palpatine to shame.
>>740780820Why'd you sell SW man? Theres no way a handful of fat Gen X retards could mentally break you a multi-millionare. Even if you did nothing with it to this day at least you would have your integrity.
>>740793871why did george sell star wars to disney? too tired and old to give a shit anymore?
>>740794225That's not what "Mary Sue" means. Also he earned that shit over the course of several games.
>>740794664>That's not what "Mary Sue" means.Yeah, it does.>Also he earned that shit over the course of several games.He didn't earn shit. He just gets new traits on a whim.
>>740794623$4,000,000,000
>>740787537>Watch American Graffiti >It's a bunch of nothing with some weird ass dialogue I really do think he just somehow lucked into the 3 original trilogies being somehow good
>>740794623Kennedy has dirt on him and other executives. Its why she was in power for so long and never got fired.
>>740795249what the fuck do you even do with 4 billion dollars besides getting away with fucking children?
>>740795431Buy a bunch of goiter lotion
>>7407942251) Mary Sue doesn't mean a powerful, or even improbably powerful character. Kyle having intentional personality flaws that impacts the plot automatically disqualifies him.2) Rey fucking sucks and nobody will ever like her. Accept it and stop trying to lower the bar to try squeaking he through.
>>740792186Equal>>740793214Exactly, you just explained it. It’s a nice sequel to the OT. It doesn’t need to be heavy lore wise it just continues the canon in a way that respects George’s vision. It feels like Star Wars bc it IS Star Wars unlike ST slop.>>740794225You are a faggot. You don’t understand what Mary sue means. In outcast alone you gotta grind for that saber, and the powers come slow as you “level up.” Nothing like “no loss” Rey defeating Kylo in all 3 of this bullshit movies.>”I bypassed the compressa!!” Shut the fuck up
>>740794896Clearly never played the game, have you? Rey is gonna be decanonized. You know it’s coming. Sequel slop defenders get the rope in the New Jedi Order.
>>740795557>>740795869It's okay to admit that a game you played when you were 4 had shitty writing. It's totally okay to still like it. Action games in the '90s and early 2000s weren't exactly preoccupied with plot or character arcs. No need to get so upset about reality. You sound like a bunch of trannies in denial.
>>740796035Bro I’m playing it right now. When is the last time you played it? Can you even get far enough to get the saber? Sorry you got filtered by the best Star Wars game franchise.
>>740794225Incredible how white knights still can’t handle Rey being the worst mary sue put to screen, and they still have no defence but to flail and deflect.Rey is a Mary Sue because she has no intentional personality flaws, is beloved or obsessed over by everyone she meets, is never portrayed in a negative light, has ludicrously improbable skills such as being able to swim despite living in a fucking desert all her life, and is a narrative black hole that devours all plot threads and makes them about her.The fact she has a retarded power level is one of the least offensive aspects of her character.
>>740795519>goiter
>>740796035Don't try the >aw shucks guys, I'm just sayingbackpedal now, you duplicitous faggot. Especially with your cancerous zoomerisms
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>>740796096One day you'll maybe grow up and develop analytical skills and taste of an adult.
>>740796150>>740796249Literally a soi kuck zoomie who saw a meme on TikTok about “unc games”. lil faggot clearly never played.
>>740796305Please list a better “new” Star Wars game. And what’s your favorite movie? Just so we know if you should be filtered from this convo (and forum)
Jedi Outcast made me feel like slogging through the shooty parts.It really starts picking up once you reclaim Kyle's saber. The guns were just not enough to keep me entertained
>>740796035lmaoreally upset those uncsthe games are fine, but the guns are mostly shit and the lightsaber combat is extremely overrated
>>740796442>game finally gives you a lightsaber>next level is full of enemies that make it uselessreally fucking funny
>>740796852On top of featuring the worst set of maps. I like the JA games, but academy is much better since the level design isn't outright trying to fuck with you.
>>740796831unfortunately it still is the best lightsaber mechanic in a videogame to this day, force unleashed and fallen order are fun, but neither really sell the lightsaber as well as jedi knight doeswe'll see how it's like in that new old republic game, hopefully it isn't like kotor
>>740796852The point of Nar Shadda was to remind players they had options other than charging in with a saber and swinging
>>740797310You really think that's what most people would take away from those maps? The reality is that the lightsaber is iconic and you'd be desperate to use it after you get to it, but it actually feels like ass and there are enemies galore that outright can snipe you through it. It just makes the player feel frustrated. It has been ages since I last played JA2, but I recall the nar shadaa levels having some of the most obtuse ways for progressing, especially if you're playing on master which disables the force clues
>>740797517>The reality is that the lightsaber is iconic and you'd be desperate to use it after you get to it,Exactly, which is why the devs knew everyone would immediately discard everything they had to just slice people up.Nar Shadda was only hard if you ignored push/pull or speed, since the majority of threats were hard countered by them.
>>740797310This>>740797517I literally just played thru it. I was pissed at first (completely forgot that level obviously) but was very satisfied upon completion. You still have chances to use the saber but it is important strat for the rest of the game. There are many times when guns / explosives are just a better choice and it fits Kyle’s character. The hate is overblown. The beginning of that level in the cantina is pure Star Wars kino
>>740794225>knows Han and ChewieDoes he know Han? Is there some voice line i've missed? I know about Chewie in jedi academy but not Han.
>>740797695it's not even that hard going outside the cantina, just pop speed and start dodging sniper fire and force pushing grenades away for that feeling of power fantasyafter that, it gets annoying, though, fucking rondians noscoping you from a mile away
>>740787594it doesn't matter if you think prequels are good or notregardless of that they are still one of the most interesting things to happen in cinema (because they are a part of Lucas' star wars), one guy with a shitload of money making movies he wants to make they way he wants to make them and no one is there to tell him otherwise, everything you see on screen is there because Lucas wanted it to be therewhen are we going to see something like this again? are we going to see something like this again?
>>740797310A modern game would definitely throw in an easy "le epic Vader corridor scene" level after getting the saber
>>740797816The opening of the Tattooine dock map (t1_sour):>Well I'll be, the Millenium Falcon!>Han? Chewie? Anybody here?>(pause, shrug) I guess they're out.
>>740799003I suppose its logical that he knows Han if we knows about the falcon and Chewie, thought there is something more direct.
Isn't this the one with Max in it?
>>740788946They put a lot of dumb shit in rebels because at the time Filoni didn't think he'd ever be able to show it elsewhere. Disney canceled TCW and was aggressively pretending the prequels never existed so Filoni crammed as much as he could into rebels just to wrap it up, even though a lot of it doesn't make sense there. Now disney is milking prequel nostalgia and so many excellent story ideas are burned because of their past decisions and that's why we get shit like>>740792937
Here's something kids these days can't have.CHEAT CODES!>bind f5 to "spawn stormtrooper">bind f6 to "spawn dark jedi">go to any level you want and make your own big battle>spawn an army of luke skywalkers to fight an army of the last boss
>>740799578Yes.
Great game.
>>740796283DUAL
>>740779027I think DF2 and Outcast are the best, but FO and Survivor clear Academy easy.Academy is still a good time but it's so casualized/consolized that it streamlined out what made the previous games special.
>>740802209how are Outcast and Academy so different? It plays exactly the samethen again, I'm not playing vanilla academy
>>740802542Academy is generally really straightforward (you can even skip a maps if you really dislike them per "tier" or progression), while jedi knight has generally longer levels that are more difficult to traverse. The latter is overall harder not because of the encounters, but because of the map design.The final boss in both is a complete cakewalk compared to what you endured just before them imo
>>740802542Level design. Academy is too fixated on being a third-person Jedi action game when the mechanics and enemies can't bear that much weight. It's simultaneously piss easy and clunky. It's a fun game, but Outcast preserving the old FPS approach made for more immersive and more interesting levels, even if they could occasionally be annoying.
>>740803028huh, I don't feel that much difference in difficulty between games, maybe outcast pre-lightsaber is tougher, but it just felt more asinine, if anythingI also prefer academy maps, they feel more varied>riding taun tauns in hoth>fighting cutists on speeder bikes>fighting your way through a tram in corellia>rescuing prisoners whie distracting a rancor>getting captured by some bounty hunter and being forced to play in his little hunting gameit feels so much more memorable already, outcast is like one big serpentine corridor gauntlet of a game
>>740781794GOLDEN RATIO ASS
>>740778578I made an anticheat mod for JK2MP that was used on every single server.Good times.
>>740780820biggest fraud in the history of cinema
>>740802542Academy letting you almost instantly max out a force power changes things up massively.
>>740787350>Respawn's Jedi series has way better singleplayer.
>>740805528yeah, maxing force choke or lightning in 3 missions does sound broken, but you can always not do that
>>740805926Those aren't the issue. It's healing.Outcast gives you Heal 1, what, halfway through the game? Do I remember that right? Bespin I think.Academy lets you have heal3 after tutoriial, platforming mission, and sandpeople massacre. You totally invalidate an important resource like an hour into the game.
