Why is AI hated so much for vidya development?
>>740788263>tehe whoopsie we just accidentally left this AI generated thing in our announcement trailer and it went through everyone>totes a mistake tehe pls forgiv
>>740788263They're supposed to use it to benefit ME, the consumer. They're using it wrong otherwise
You will let up one day.Your favorite company will use AI and you're going to cope and seethe and accept it.You will lose like you've lost all the battles before.
AI is incredibly powerful. Any studio that refuses to use it is doomed to fall behind.
>>740788263>Why is AI hated so much for vidya development?Consumers don't really care overall. It's mostly devs whipping up a frenzy about it because they can see that they are about to be overshadowed by AI. It's no different than all of the "artists" complaining about AI. The only thing wrong with AI art is that it's better than theirs.
saars why is shitting in the street hated so much???
>740788609nigger
>>740789126whoops forgot to quote the original post!!>>740788609
>>740788263If I wanted to read/look at/watch/listen to/play something generated with AI, I could have prompted it myself. When I buy a game (or honestly even when I decide to commit time to playing a free game), I expect to experience handcrafted human creative expression. In other words, art.It maybe sounds slightly overdramatic to claim that any trace of AI ruins a 99.9% handcrafted game, but I think a zero tolerance approach might be important to avoid a slippery slope. If companies get the impression that a significant number of customers will avoid any title that's tainted by use of AI then we might start to see them taking the issue seriously. I also don't want AI concept art even if the final assets are human made.
>>740788263As with all left-wingers they pretend to be against something while being the actual perpetrators/users of the thing they're against Larian studios confirmed to be using AI going forward
>>740788263The only people who hate AI are the low-tier shitters who are going to be replaced by it.
>Is being used to utterly flood the internet with low effort slop, and I mean fucking flood>Is causing incredibly unstable releases across tech in general not just vidya>Is being mass abused, adopted, and expected by brainless exec types despite being an ill fit resulting in a worse experience ofr literally everyone >Is already causing huge job losses and is a further massive threat to job security in fields well outside vidya which could very well result in massive societal unrest and instability as things get worse>cherry on top is making everything in this hobby cost a fucktonI think the real question is why wouldn't you hate AI? Besides getting to bust some great nuts to personalized porn and it possibly making your own job easier for now while it exists, you are not the one who will benefit from this. It will make your life worse, and even if you somehow escape that fire (you won't) everything around you being completely fucked will still make your life worse.
>>740790242Essentially this. I can prompt my own shit, why would I pay for other's sloppa? That's just a waste.
everybody hates ai. only shills, bootlickers and bots love it.
>>740788498Using AI placeholders is really dumb even from the standpoint of using it as a placeholder, if it looks finished you're not going to spot it and replace it later. We keep having these fucking dev and publisher crash-outs because these idiots think nobody will notice the coke on their nostrils and they walk into public looking like that
>>740788816Fall behind what exactly
>>740788585That's never been the case. Any time Altman opens his mouth, it's about how AI will let businesses hire less people and cut costs. He only backtracks when pressured
>>740788263One group, envy. The biggest critics are the pampered artsy types. The ones that years ago smugly looked down on blue collar workers who lost their jobs due to automation while beating their chest on how paint, music etc. cannot be done by AI. Now they act like the luddites of old once their livelihood is threatened. These are the same people who tell you to go watch porn when you point out female characters are made intentionally ugly.The second group, is the technically illiterates tech bros. The ones that seen too much science fiction and are worried AI is coming to kill them. They take headlines like "AI tried killing operator" or "two AI bots invented a new language to hide their chat from humans" at face value without realising how prevelent machine learning was even before the recent histeria. Ironically, many that rail against AI use it themselves regularly.
>>740791652the preproduction/prototyping.some games are in preproduction for longer than they are in production. spending 4 years trying to figure out what they want to make and how, then 2 creating it... only for idiots to moan about everything being rushed cut content. So imagine you could get prototyping done in 1 year, and spend 5 making it flawless, would that be a good trade off?
AI tends to be very samey and it gets worse as it receives positive feedback for a given result. Companies have a well deserved reputation of throwing caution to the wind for profit. Especially video game related companies.Large companies relying on AI as a crutch is welcoming stagnation.
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>>740792362That's not what will happen. They'll spend 1 year using AI to make a half-working-and-undocumented system, then spend 1 building on top of it with AI generated assets. The Publishers will make money saving on the game taking 2 years instead of 6 and only needing half the people. The only entity it benefits is the publisher.Shorter dev time, AI Assets and less devs to pay. That's what you'll get and you'll like it.
>>740788263it's currently not good enough and is being actively hampered by copyright and IP lawsthe second this shit can generate consistent images with respect to a reference and role-playing sessions is the day all the performative teenage girls bitching about AI go away
>>740788263>Cucks apologizingThe demo was already dogshit but if there was a 1% chance of boughteding now it's 0
>>740788263>15 years isn't enough time to create a trailer without AI assistancehonestly even if they didn't use AI nothing about this reveal looked all that special or worth any measure of excitement. they probably openly admitted to the AI shit just to drum up some controversy and free marketing.
>>740788263>muh jobs>muh environmental impactsIt basically boils down to those two.
>>740788263>jeets making sloppy games>LE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>AI making sloppy games>OMG SO BASED YESSSSSwhy are /v/ermin like this
>>740788263I'm surprised /v/ isn't pro-AI more considering how much of a hate boner reddit has for it.
Because AI "helps" with quantity but not quality. We currenty have overabundance of the former but severe lack of latter.
>>740793964it's about to get way more fucking hampered with germany declaring google is liable for any bad information AI generates, turning inaccuracy into a liabilitymaybe this tech shouldn't exist if it can't exist without stealing the entire internet and that's STILL NOT ENOUGH DATA for it to magically become good
>>740788263Why is everyone so obsessed with AI now. My brother was already using chatGPT to write his essays for him and now he won't shut up about claude.He's watching tutorials for it right now and keeps going on about "how much you can do with it" and he's like "just wait till you see the stuff I create".What can it even do?
This board confuses me sometimes. This place cries about corporate soul sucking games made with no passion yet support ai being used which furthers such passionless works
another strong female lead, i sleep
>>740788585They don't give a flying fuck about consumers, they just want more profits and less work. There's no creativity, no interesting ideas, no creation for the sake of it, just profit chasing faggots.
>>740788263>Why is AI hated so much for vidya development?Hardware prices.
>>740794669Lets you feel productive while doing nothing, it is genuinely a brain-drainer and antithesis to the creative process. We have fucking lawyers trying to offload their law practice onto ChatGPT and doing a surprisedpikachu.jpg when it doesn't fool judges and they get disbarred.
>>740794669Watch them become absolute retards incapable of a single thought without chat gpt.It's already happening.
>>7407944734chan IS reddit
>>740788609How about I just won't buy it? What now?
>>740794669Some people believe that it will allow them to make a living without studying or doing anything really, that they'll be able to get premium wages for farting around and hitting the chatbot with a prompt once in a while.
>>740788263Literally no one cares. Virtually every game developer is using some generative AI in their process and it has precisely zero effect on sales. The only thing that matters to the consumer is the end product.
>>740788609i will just play the old games like i already do
>>740792362Retard. If methods to speed up development actually improved the quality of games then the industry wouldn’t be infamous for its crunch culture. Anything that speeds the process up will only be used to cram more sardines into the can, releasing less stable slop faster and faster. Giving AI an inch will incentivize CEOs to care LESS about attention to detail, not more.
>>740795223lol
>>740795178Do they really think that AI won't be able to prompt by itself?A rhetorical question.
>>740795351AI does still have a notorious "incest" problem where already bad results get hyper concentrated when a chatbot riffs off itself, or two chatbots talk to each other
>>740788263You either have to be Evil or Evil’s cousin Stupid to be for AI.There is simply no other explanation for anyone supporting and defending AI.You either are completely ignorant of the negatives of AI, or you just don’t care about its impact.Of course, the vast majority of replies to this post will be nAIggers posting gigachad edits and quoting [shit that actively harms them and everyone else who isn’t a billionaire], thus proving my point that only evil and/or retarded people support AI.
LLMs are a dead-end tech.They literally plateaued 10 years ago.They will never "understand" consequence because they cannot understand as they have no agency.What the grifters are calling "agentic" is just a chaos engine with a chat bot on top.They sell it tl imbeciles who then wonder why it deletes prod.We moved off from LLMs nearly a decade ago.t. Literal AI Researcher
Time is a flat circle.
>>740788849But water consumption, trump, musk, ukraine and ranjeets fiverr career as an artist??
>>740793807I just won’t buy games. I have a lifetime of retro to play. And when I finally run out, maybe I’ll just move onto books or physical activities.
>>740795520All of these are correct
>>740795520But were they wrong?
>>740795442Of course the AI hater is a communist crying about billionaires. How shocking and unexpected. Totally organic opinion you came up with on your own and not something you've adapted from your echo chamber.
>>740788263>bro give me $70 for a piece of shit made by some random chatbotGee I wonder why someone would avoid AIslop games.
>>740795490If not bait is AI even possible in the near future? Be it biological or technological.
It feels like the step of Concept Art is being replaced by aislopping and drawing over it and that makes me sad.
>>740795490LLMs appeal to pigs without souls, and a lot of "people" out there do not have a soul.
>>740795520Some of this unironically yeah the orchestra is going the way of the dodo
>>740795858Sloppa is the biggest scam in history.
>>740795520Isn’t music more soulless and low IQ than ever before? Guess they were right.
>>740795520You niggers said the exact same shit about Crypto and NFTs and other failed hustle scams.Even the companies that ruined the lives of over 30,000 people are regretting replacing humans with AI.https://fortune.com/2026/05/26/uber-coo-ai-spending-tokens-claude-code/Uber layed off tens of thousands of people and forced current employees to use as many AI tokens as possible (of course while also forcing them to fix the mistakes the AI made that they otherwise wouln’t make). Now Uber is realizing that all the humans they just fired were both cheaper and competent than the AI, and are now limiting how much AI employees use.
>>740795667>>740795702>Apologies, but our violinist and tuba player died of dysentery this morning, and we have not been successful in sourcing new players on such a strict schedule, so the play will be performed without music tonight. We hope you understand, and apologize once more.
>>740796116>things that never happened
>>740796116And mechanisms can not break, I presume?
>>740796185>No unexpected events ever made a mess of a live performance
>>740795852True AI with agency and consequence recognition?No.We're nowhere close.What you'll get (if it doesn't crash) is bigger models that slightly better approximate their larger training sets and eat up a SHIT TON more resources.They hit the "well fuck, throw more power at it" stage of progress-entropy a long time ago.
because it fucking sucks
>>740795852Throwing energy and compute at LLMs is like making a toaster burn a million slices of toast and expecting it to come to life. It's not happening.
>>740796335Oh I didn't mean LLMs but rather a completely different thing that can actually be called Intelligence.
>>740796270They can, but it is much more cost effective and probable for a theater to have several sound systems than it is for a full orchestra to have backup players that can be summoned at the drop of a hat.
>>740796334Is that guy floating on the right holding a didgeridoo lmaoMy interest in this game plummeted
>>740790746Why should I hate something that increases my productivity?
>>740788263Luddites are braindead
>>740796486It gets even worse on the cut-off sides.
>>740788263>Why is AI hated so much for vidya development?Because it's lazy slop like your post.
>>740790746The only ones getting fucked (in the foreseeable future) are pencil pushers and other office rats. Tradesman chads keep on trucking.
>>740796293Hmm, well to be expected. >They hit the "well fuck, throw more power at it" stage of progress-entropy a long time ago.It feels like humanity decided to start a collective suicide.
>>740796405Nah we have basically zero idea of where to even start to replicate real intelligence
>>740788263I love AI so much for vidya development.
>>740796596but enough about 98% of human made games through the last decade, and your lazy ass buzzword.>>740796034Your retarded buzzword is.
>>740796405Take a few steps back and ask, does humanity understand the human brain? We cannot do anything for mental illness besides give people drugs that slow them down. We cannot cure mental retardation or heal traumatic brain injuries. No really understands the mechanisms that enable thought, creativity, etc with any real details, only theories.So, how would the tech industry, infamous for foolish CEOs and H1B visa programmers, understand human intelligence and recreate it with linux servers and Nvidia GPUs? Are we really going to believe these people can understand something that the entire human race has struggled to grasp at a surface level?The belief big tech can create a genuinely intelligent computer is arrogance and hubris at its peak.
>>740788263>15 yearhuh? Was this game shelved for 15 years before dusting it off?
>>740788609You are so cocky to think that anything will even get close to GTA VI levels of profit, then, and you know what happens after that, fucking smugpost about that, ribless wonder.
Question: Why do they even mention that they use AI? At this point, it's pretty clear that every time you mention that you use it, your going to get blowback.
The source code for like Stardew Valley is fully out there right? How come nobody is like taking Claude and telling it to the clone the game into like a planetary colonization game or something. Just Fucking turn Claude loose and see what it comes back with and keep having it update until you get it right.
Anyone who hates AI use should also hate cameras if they want to be consistent. Do you hate photography, anon?
>>740796726It’s the end game of abandoning intellectual elitism. Every political movement is anti intellectual and intellectuals have all been removed and gatekept from power
>>740796995Because if you get "caught" for using AI, the shitstorm will be much worse. There's no winning with these people short of not using all the tools available to you.
>>740788609Yeah probably. AI assisted asset generation is simply too good for a bean counter to pass up. All they need is pioneers to normalize it
>>740797029And other weird nonsequiters straight from r/defendingaiart
>>740788816It's still far from complete since people can still see difference between human and AI sloppy works. Once AI can fool people, then it's only matter of time.
>>740796843>but enough about 98% of human made games through the last decadeI don't like lazy slop when it's made by humans either.AI is hyper-concentrated, automated lazy slop which is worse.I'm not giving money to "creators" who didn't even do anything.
>>740788263>we're sorry we got caught
>>740797029Comparisons like these really show just hos retarded AI jeets are
>>740797118Yes, just don't do something your customers hate if you want them to buy your game
>>740797007>Bro do the corporate theft for the billion dollar entitiesSelf important children are why we are here. You are so naive if you think you will ever own even a 10th of something that isn’t a glorified corpo nanny because you are too occupied with compulsively jorking your shit off, like special education.
>>740797157So no counter argument?
>>740797029Still waiting to see a pro-AI argument that doesn't hide behind frightful dishonesty.
>>740797029A retarded argument and you're getting desperate for validation. Better sell those bags, dows lookin like shit and Trump's war will be the killing blow to AI.You keep ignoring the fact you want an energy dependent industry to rise during an energy crisis. Pump and dump games and fake peace effort announcements are cool until the inevitability of reality sets in. You are a niggerbrain getting what you deserve.
>>740797157>A machine does the vast majority of the work for the human in capturing a scene>This is fine>A machine does the vast majority of the work for the human in expressing an idea>This is an affront against God
AI is inevitable, you'd be a fool not to use this new tool, if only at least as a search engine and summary maker.
Is AI a "current thing?"
>>740788263Leftist suddenly don't like the existential dread of facing replacement.
>>740797245No, go back go your subreddit and tell them how you totally owned the antis with your luddite logic playbook
>>740797221The thing is, the majority of people do not give a single iota of a shit how their entertainment is made as long as the end product is entertaining.
>intentionally use the cheapest lowest quality slop to advertise your expensive game>"wtf what do you want us to do, not use tools????"What is this argument? It looks like shit, if AI was so good, it should look good.Companies ONLY use it because it's cheaper. If it was just a tool it wouldn't be beaten by any random artist on twitter. Full priced AAA game but they can't stop all the errors that make it clear it's AI slop?
>>740788816>AI brainlet>uses only for PornLMAO, you know you're not selling anyone on it with this, right?
>>740788263Games made with AI should be 30% cheaper.
>>74079466990% of the time LLMs are a handy search engine but then you also have to know it's bullshitting youotherwise it makes it faster to slopcode
>>740797361Yes.
>>740791534the chutzpah of these devs is palpable
>>740797434>Yeah my hobby is dead but at I owned those stinky leftiesSimilar energy to smugposting from an Israeli bunker slick with urine
>>740788263E33 and arc raiders used itall of this is performative copium
>>740797621Care to explain why?
>>740795852Yes, look up papers on artificial cognition. Unfortunately the field is nascent, underfunded and stuck in labs as of now.Things that AC models would have over LLMs:>cognitive capabilities, in the name obviously>real world models (true comprehension of 3D space, physics, cause and consequence etc.)>humanlike values, compassion modelling>ability to discern right from wrong>humanlike learning and development by perceiving, doing and experiencingLLMs lack all of these. LLMs simply attempt to predict massive serialized numeric sequences based on their training data (model orientation, itself a cache of massive numeric data), which, depending on how the model is trained, can be converted into structured text, images, videos etc. LLMs are not inherently informed on what they're trying to produce. Not one model has ever actually "read" any of the text prompts fed to them.LLMs are also incapable of assessing the veracity and accuracy of the information they produce. All that matters to them is that their output achieves a certain confidence score during generation. This is why they're so confidently wrong sometimes, they only ever produce predictions. They don't hallucinate "sometimes", they hallucinate always. Just so happens that they're so good at predicting and hallucinating, most of the time (provided the training data is ample and precise enough) the outputs are correct/actionable.This is why some view LLMs as dead-end tech. To change how they operate, you'd have to shake up the 20+ year old theoretical foundations of all current language model research. No company out there is looking forward to doing that kind of catch-up. AC models will, likewise, take a while (especially since a hypothetical AC model must be raised like a child, not trained on data), but they're likely to be our actual first chance at actual AGI (and actual AI, for that matter).
they put an interracial sex scene in the demo.we're only got 30 minutes to show the world assassin's creed hex? well of course 12 of those minutes need to be about a white woman getting railed by a black man!
>>740797872based
>>740795178What's funny is that Anon's brother is gonna slam into a brick wall: >>109001168Nobody is gonna fucking use AI sloppa programs you have no fucking idea how it was made.
>>740794724/v/ is contrarian despite saying believing they aren't. "Always do the opposite of what /v/ says" applies.
>>740797994Oops, let's try this again, because I forget how cross-board linking for quotes works:>>>/g/109001168
People don't actually care, but a bunch of loud people on BlueSky can force a developer's hand. These are the people that weren't going to buy the game anyway, mind you.
>>740797872>assassin's creed hex?This is Discount/TEMU Hexe by the AC creator. It's not Ubisoft's version of it. Which makes the demo sucking shit (AND being AI) even more hilarious since Patrice has spent 20 years being mindbroken by this idea.
>>740795145Don't worry. The retarded consumer masses will buy it anyway.
AI art should only be used to help the dreamer create their dream.
>>740795001>>740795016>>740795178>>740797994I don't know what to say when he tries to talk about it to me about it. Funny thing is before this he was getting really into blender a few years back but now thinks "after seeing what AI can make, like why bother" which I thought was an idiotic thought process. He's genuinely giddy about AI but I don't want to be rude and call it slopBut I just don't see why he thinks making AI apps or AI whatever is gonna net him. It's not even a skill that you can hone
>>740797762Photography is a medium that is explicitly about capturing a scene. The human does all of the artistic work, which is the selection of subject, lens, conditions, and framing. The actual mechanical process of converting the subject into an image (which can also be done on film btw) is not important to the medium.In other mediums, such as painting, artist involvement in fine detail is a vital part of the final work.
>>740798318Conscious dreamers can be treasurer to their own currency. You don't need AI to act on your idea. If you didn't act before, you won't do so with AI.
>>740798461The same can be true for AI work. You can inpaint shit into the scene. Just because most people don't doesn't make it not art.If we took every social media photo as part of the photography space, then photography is not art because 99.999999% of the content is pure trash.
>>740797727Amsterdam used it more extensively than E33, which was just some placeholder posters that were removed. And there was a controversy about it.
AI IS BASED AND IDC
>>740798449Sounds like he was basically looking for the easiest method of pumping out whatever crap he was thinking of. Clearly he's not interested in the actual creative part of itI think you might have to kill him anon
>>740798546>but what if i shoehorned AI into this?This is NFTs and "the blockchain" all fucking over again
>>740788263AI has had exclusively negative impacts on me and society overall so far.
>>740798546>The same can be true for AI work.No it can't.>You can inpaint shit into the scene. The stuff you paint yourself is art. The AI portion is not.>Just because most people don't doesn't make it not art.Yes it does.>f we took every social media photo as part of the photography space, then photography is not art because 99.999999% of the content is pure trash.I understand your confusion, because AI art is almost universally atrocious slop, but the actual quality of the content is not what we are discussing here.
>>740798449>But I just don't see why he thinks making AI apps or AI whatever is gonna net him.Your brother is a Zoomer, right?They're facing a economy that sucks shit (Millennial"Firsttime?".gif here) and has no job prospects or way to move forward.So I can't blame him or the Zoomers that fall into the Gambling/etc. traps of "get rich quick and own a house" bullshit that snake oil salesmen sell 'em.But it's sad that late-stage capitalism's death spiral is making people dumber instead of embracing Marxism and [redacted by 4chun moderators because you can't say that on a glowie board] Sam Altman and crew in D.C.'s front-lawn.
>>740798461>In other mediums, such as painting, artist involvement in fine detail is a vital part of the final work.Not true. Otherwise people wouldn't be giving the time of day to "math art" where artists create works by swinging dripping paint buckets over canvases so that they settle in orbits that create mathematically consistent patterns. Art is anything that expresses the ego of the individual, the method of output is entirely irrelevant. While an AI-generated work is not made by the individual in the strictest sense, it is their intent that drew it from the ether of possibility. Without them, that particular work would never have existed.
>>740798318Ideal:>AI lets somebody create their masterwork without having to rely on a huge budget and tons of other people compromising everythingReality:>lowered barrier to entry for people looking to make quick money or too lazy to learn to bring their ideas to life because of course a skill gate maintains quality at least a little (the slop phenomenon)>some of the best creative output is due to limitations and compromise because many creatives are actually hacks when given total control
>>740796876Hmm all true.
>>740788609It's amazing for porn image generation, but I'm not going to pay 80 bucks for triple-A slop especially when half of the game consists out of shitty stolen assets because the devs do not have a single original bone or an ounce of talent in their bodies.There is nothing to let up, the quality of modern games even before AI has gone to absolute shit already and shows exactly zero signs of improving now that AI is being incorporated into game development.
>>740788263Because I don't like wasting my time "enjoying" something not made by another human. It's that simple.Look, if AI assists... that's one thing. But if the whole canvas or even 50% of the canvas isn't yours...
>>740788609Sad but trueGaymen are the biggest goycattle
>>740788263Lots of manchildren fantasize about one day making it as gamedev or artists. If AI was strictly limited to coding nobody would give a shit.
Vidya industry will soon going to be like youtube kids
>>740792290You’re so completely disconnected from reality that breaking down your retarded scrawl sentence by sentence would be futile.
>>740798995>Because I don't like wasting my time "enjoying" something not made by another human.Why?
>>740798879>Otherwise people wouldn't be giving the time of day to "math art" where artists create works by swinging dripping paint buckets over canvases so that they settle in orbits that create mathematically consistent patterns.This is an obscure subgenre of art which has its own criteria, which does not involve using computers to ape the work of an artist and arrogantly try to claim artistic provenance.>While an AI-generated work is not made by the individual in the strictest sense, it is their intent that drew it from the ether of possibility. Without them, that particular work would never have existed.This is exactly the same as commissioning art from an artist. It is universally accepted that the commissioner is not the artist, no matter how many ideas they provide or how much they micromanage the process. You have a role in the creative process, but the artist is the person who makes the picture.
>>740799158>If AI was strictly limited to coding nobody would give a shit.>He unironically says while sites are fucking breaking because the "features" "AI" (the lying if/else statement machines) makes break the fucking site reliabilityUh-huh. Riiiiight.How is AWS doing again?
>>740794724There are a lot of left wingers on twitter with pride flags and tranny flags in their bios who are very vocal about hating AI and we can't be seen as agreeing with that crowd so we have to hold the opposite position even if it doesn't benefit us.
>>740788263>black people stealing bad>grok stealing good
>>740788816Good morning sir.
>>740794724Go back tourist/v/ love sucking corpo dick hereLong live capitalismTotal commie death
>>740799498The difference in commissioning is that there is a requirement of a second person to actually realize your idea. With AI, you are the sole human responsible for the existence of the piece. You did not create it, but it exists solely because of you prompting it.And if your intent was to convey an idea or feeling through that piece to someone other than yourself, it can be considered an expression of your ego aka art.
>>740798952ppl always say at least its good for porn but the art is lazy (and fucking clutters everything) and the videos are more comedic than arousing, its just trash.
>>740788263anti ai cultists scavenging for clout.also AI is still barebones and weak for creative medium, so people who think AI BAD thinks that everyone is just writing "hey grok make me a game" and sit on their asses
>>740799158It's not as visible to the gaming and arts communities (mainly because programmers act instead of bitching on social media), but there's a considerable and growing amount of programmers out there who are extremely anti-AI these days. Corporate layoffs/boomerang hiring, AI codebase bloat, the flood of slop commits/bug reports to open source projects etc. has ruffled their feathers pretty fucking bad. They may have started off much more positive towards AI, but sentiments there aren't healthy anymore, either.
>>740788816>incredibly powerful>still on pin ups after 5 fucking yearsfuck no. you should have been able to replicate Shantae throughout an entire game by now not just "posing for photo LOL" for the 4394087309rd time.
>>740800052who would've guessed something made to replace them wouldn't jive so well
>>740788609>>740788816>>740788849>>740792290>>740793790
>>740799908You're not looking in the correct places, image generation can be extremely good already it's actually insane. Yes if you go over the entire image with a magnifying glass you will find some messed up details/traces of AI but for wacking you absolutely will not notice it with the better sets out there.Videos aren't really there yet though, but they are taking off slowly, assuming it'll keep improving.
>>740788263AI is more woke than game developers. I'm not even kidding.
>>740788263It's dishonest and communicates the developer didn't care enough to do something properly. I know food analogies are played out but imagine someone offering to cook you dinner and they just give you a freshly nuked Hungry-Man.
>>740798579>>740795016>>740798853>Watch them become absolute retards incapable of a single thought without chat gpt.Bro, was just working out with my brother and we're sharing a bench and I ask him "what weight do you want to go up to (after our warm up set)" and was on his phone taking forever to decide and he said "hold on i'm asking chatgpt" and I thought he was joking. He really was asking AI to tell him how to do his weight progression. How brainless, he's been doing the same weights forever anyways with the same progressions.He's so excited about AI it's keeping up at night and he wants to start making games with it
>>740800107>He thinks 5 years is a long time in the scope of developing techIt took three decades for televisions to get color, anon. In comparison, generative AI has gone from producing barely recognizable smudges to very consistent (but not yet human-like) artworks in the span of less than a single decade.
>>740800461Interestingly, music seems to be the farthest along in terms of replicating human-made media. You can generate songs that sound entirely plausible to be something you'd hear on the radio with a simple prompt.
>>740788263Because it's a huge fucking grift by the upper elite to create a circlejerk of fake investments that completely tanks the world economy, while they get away with trillions of dollars. AI industry is currently in a 800 billion US dollar deficit (source: https://isaiprofitable.com/), and all we have to see for it is every internet site getting DDOSed by bots so they can generate completely surreal hallucinations (I suppose CEOs can't tell them from reality because they too run companies based on cocaine hallucinations).
>>740788263Slop fatigue.If your game concept is coming from autocomplete and upscaling algorithms then it's already cooked. Your designer doesn't have a brain or relevant skillset.
It's a product you are trying sell yet you are using something that enhitifies and lowers it's quality significantly. You do not even lower the price of your product accordingly.
>>740799927You're retarded.If the developer is using gen AI in the prototype phase, where everything is explicitly low production value, what does that tell you about the team?See Deadlock and the increasingly retarded decisions made because the devs gave themselves a lobotomy.
>>740800781That's only because you and most people don't have much an analytic ear. It takes years of explicit musical training to hear essential details in music.
>>740788609>favorite companythe biggest coycattle there are assume everyone else is also cattle and plays favorites with these retarded corporations.
>>740794473Turns out the contrarian allegations were just bullshit
>>740799894>The difference in commissioning is that there is a requirement of a second person to actually realize your idea. With AI, you are the sole human responsible for the existence of the piece. You did not create it, but it exists solely because of you prompting it.AI is drawing from the work of countless humans.>And if your intent was to convey an idea or feeling through that piece to someone other than yourself, it can be considered an expression of your ego aka art.Call it performance art or social art or something, instead of trying to pretend you made something, and I'll accept it.
>>740800614>In comparison, generative AI has gone from producing barely recognizable smudges to very consistent (but not yet human-like) artworksIt's producing detailed images, not artworks.
>>740802050This is the type of shit the retards on /mu/ actually believe.
>>740802050Hardly. I can tell AI music in seconds with a pair of decent headphones and no experience in the music business. It's hard to put to words, but it just sounds plain unnatural right from the start. Singers especially are really tinny, like they're excessively pitch-corrected. Everything's too "perfect" with none of the natural variation of human-made music.The previous poster is probably right about it working on the radio, but no one actually ever listens to the radio. It's just background noise. Echoes through grocery stores, drowned out by traffic etc. easily ignored.I can't see actual music fans getting into AI slop considering how much they tend to appreciate musicianship and performances. A good part of the appeal of a tasty guitar lick in a hit song is the hotshot guitarist performing it after the singer composed it. Fans track the progress of a song's development from napkin lyrics through demos to finalized album versions. They revere the musicians' names. You don't get such legends in AI music, nor do you get any gigs to attend. All you get is forgettable slop that's buried on Spotify in days.
>>740788263It has never been about having AI content in the game, the problem is using AI at any point of the development and therefore increasing demand for AI shit.Fuck the content, nobody cares about that. People care about creating more demand for AI, that's the thing that will fuck us over and is fucking us over.
>>740803269No one gives a shit about your acceptance, worthless peon, you'll simply be trod over.
>AI is the future!!!! The future is AI!!! It's time to accept it. We are trailblazers!>"hey you're using AI!">we're very sorry, we'll remove it immediatelyFucking make your mind up.
>>740803531AIfags say this then run for the hills when you say post your work.
>>740803531>No one gives a shit about your acceptance, worthless peon, you'll simply be trod over.Then why are you so desperate to convince everyone to accept your generated slop as art?
>>740788263cause humans want to see others humans creation, not machine generation its not hard to understand
>>740788263Because everyone knows AI is used incorrectly as a crutch for stupid while the already talanted people use it correctly, so devs are afraid that companies will just have a few effective people using AI to do the minor jobs of the stupid people, and those effective pepople are afraid companies will just fire everyone thinking that all roles are just stupid people roles that AI can do.
>>740788609>favorite companylol
>>740788263why would doing a lazier job be something desirable to the consumer?
>>740788263I really like how society naturally pivoted towards AI hate, indian BTFO forever.
>>740803495its already over cause no one wants to pay full price for compute for AIdemand is high only when its basically free
>>740788263as long as all the BLACKED scenes in this game are motion captured by real people I see no problem with this.
>>740799387Did it hit too close to home faggot?>>740800374Nice, now do per capita
>>740788263>just as pozzed>just as expensive >but more of it and fasterShan't be buying. Die.
>>740788263I hate it because it's just more cutting corners. It lowers the over product and just looks like shit. You expect me to pay full price for a game you put as little effort as possible into? All the AI bros kept telling me this is going to make gaming better somehow but all it's done is accelerate the sloppening while game prices somehow go up. I as a consumer am not benefited at all by this. Meanwhile some jeet will reply saying I'm a luddite posting from their nasty ass phone with hands they haven't washed after taking a massive shit on the street lmao.
>>740788263Never heard of this game. Shame about the lazy bums
>>740803665Companies fault for overtrusting early development AI and said AI naturally fucking up. Also they overplayed by gleefully saying that AI was going to replace ALL JOBS
>>740788263Its not. AI is based af and cheaper than all devs combined.
>>740788263because they're talentless hacks who lose to AI. I like AI, in the future I will always be playing the games the AI will generate specifically for me. 100% custom tailored video games the Ai and I will be the developers of. And so will you. And everybody else. It'll be glorious. And the talentless hacks working in the "gayming industry" will have to get a job cleaning the toilets.
>>740804480That's several decades away anon. The AI we have now is just advanced chat bots with key-bind access.
>>740788816basedI just use ai as my private hentai artist and I'm pretty satisfied
>>740788263Transsexuals and chuds.
i use chatGPT on all my resumes, cover letters, and interview preparation
>>740800374I'm surprised China is so low on it given how they seem to have publicly accepted it the most in business and media. Like for some reason one Chinese artist I follow has a bunch of AI slop trained off his work but generated by other people in his bookmarks.
Yes, saar use the AI, you be a fool for no using it, most लोग don't care how its made as long as its entertaining Use the AI you bloody basterd fack
save many lakh with the vibe code
>>740794724The things that make a game corporate and soul sucking passionless projects aren't the things created by AI.The AI stuff people freak out over is always some minor thing that doesn't matter.
>>740804814That's how it's supposed to be used, helping with manual time-intensive yet trivial work.And you're not getting a job either way so might as well put in the least amount of effort that is acceptable
>>740792290>The ones that years ago smugly looked down on blue collar workers who lost their jobsWho?>worried AI is coming to kill themThis idea is so retarded when you acutally understand how LLMs work. Really, the whole label of "AI" is retarded to begin with. The fact the term AGI had to be invented even though "AI" and "AGI" should mean the same thing is proof of that.
>>740790242>I could have prompted it myselfBut you couldn't You're not talented enough to do it
>ACES color grading>temporal reliant rendering>nanite for even the tiny pebbles on the floor>art style dictated by Quixel Megascans and Unreal Metahumans>everything else done by generative AINo wonder every game trailer looks the same these days and runs at 2fps on release. You can literally feel it as a viewer.>w-why do gamers hate thisYou tell me, Sherlock.
>>740804814Be careful. Eventually corps are gonna be running all resumes through AI detection software to cull the applications. In fact this is probably already happening. False positives be damned.
>>740794473Turns out lots of redditors are 4channers
Why do AI threads on /v/ inevitably lead to people telling everyone who hates the use of AI that they are better off dead and to neck themselves promptly?
>>740788263>a happy comeback story for a veteran developerReally? Because I was immediately embarrassed for him when I saw the gameplay and the fact that it was going to be launched into early access. The AI shit just further paints the picture of what a half-assed disaster any of the time spent developing this has been.
>>740794473jeets love ai so it outweighs reddits hate for ai so we hate it
>>740803269>AI is drawing from the work of countless humans.So are human artists. There isn't a single artist, living or dead, who was not affected by what they have seen or heard before, except possibly the first human to draw on the cave walls, and even they were influenced by past experiences. The sum of a person's experiences are their "dataset" that they draw from to create.
>>740805482>realistic-izuku-midoryia-izuku.pngHe looks weirder than Goku in Dragonball Evolution
>>740805613Drawing inspiration is a very different thing from patchwork copy/pasting, AIslopper.
>>740795520A live orchestra in the movie theater would be fucking kino and you all know it.
>>740805613Not that anon, and to be honest that anon made a weak point, but the generative AI output is truly just an amalgamation of whatever's trending. A human can reinterpret the data set and create new meaning, Diffusion is stuck in the current trends unless you pull up your sleeves and make more of it yourself, almost defeating the purpose.
>>740800820I remember when everyone loved this AInimation If it came out today it would cause tons of seething
Im enjoying this, companies invest shitloads into AI and then have to use it in secret while hoping no one notices. .
>>740805752it's peak, my favorite reaction image
>>740806035They aren't using it because it's a good idea, they're using it because labor costs in the west coast put AAA in a make or break situation. They're finding out outsourcing isn't as good as they wanted it to be, but they're also finding out gen AI Linkedin type strategies tank the company.Basically they're at their wits end.
>>740788263because games aren't games anymore and they have become "cinematic experiences" for hacks to make their shitty propaganda piece so the only thing they have going for them is graphics.
>>740806164>Basically they're at their wits end.The only guarantee of success in the long-term is a quality product. Cost-cutting can yield a few pennies in the short-term, but in doing so you destroy the long-term value of the company, and especially that of it's staff. Now look at most western companies - marketing and admin people gained power and purged engineering and design people, and now they don't know how to make anything, and they especially don't know how to run efficiently and effectively on a tight budget. Western businesses, and the Western nations in general are heading for a rude awakening in 10-20 years when it turns out there is literally no one left who knows how to actually make anything. Outsourcing is the poison that killed the knowledge base of the Western world.
>>740800605I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE TO KILL HIM ANON
>>740805482>>740806074THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS IT MEANS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND
>>740805869It's not copypasting, though. The AI is shown thousands of images which are tagged with the descriptor 'tree', for example, and it then deconstructs those images into data points and "learns" what a tree is supposed to look like. Then when it is prompted to create an image containing a tree or trees, it "knows" what a tree looks like as points of data and replicates that. Each tree it generates is a unique composition of pixels, even though its training data would allow it to simply reproduce those images.So in a way, generative AI looks at already existing material and incorporates it into its capabilities but doesn't outright copy it. How does this differ from a human studying art styles and co-opting techniques?
>>740805001That's purely for chatGPT's web traffic. They use deepseek which is chinese and better
>>740800605It is kind of useful for getting quick and reasonably comprehensive summaries of information, but the fact he's asking it things he already knows suggests he's becoming incapable of functioning without it
>>740788263Because while Machine Learning in itself can be extremely useful for many tasks, the way it's being scaled up both hurts workers and consumers, and the environment.>The consumer (You): Won't get to buy owned hardware anymore, because Cloud Computing>Workers: Get replaced by AI, and forced to live on UBI eventually, while accepting a Mass Surveillance state like, or worse than, China's.>Environment: Volume and size of Datacenter constructions to scale up to mass-consumerism is going to turn water supply into a scarcity and enshittify our lives with limited access to water, while also damaging ground water and draining the energy-infrastructure, and take up too large landmasses.They're killing agriculture not because of woke commies (who think they're doing it for the right reason) they're killing agriculture because they need to replace them with datacenters, force us to be vegans, psyop us with "Net-Zero" which really just means, accept less rights to freedom while consuming recyclable slop through rent-a-computers.By accepting AI into game development, you're complicit in driving up AIs that replace workers, take away home-ownership, and bloat nature with more Datacenters.
>>740804761where nip
>>740807105you're wrong, but your scenario is omegabased. accelerate. put your ass on the ubi and on the street now. I hope you own nothing, disgusting faggot.
>>740806719AI is not sentient, slopper-kun. The process you're describing is closer to photobashing than the concept of inspiration.
>>740797029the reason why people are saying that comparing ai to a camera is dishonest is because there is still a lot more human involvement and learning in photography than with generating some shitty picture>photography does not negatively effect your cognition like exessive ai usage has been proven to do>photography still requires some sort of skill to be developed for it to look good while ai generated pics require none, the passive creative skills such as observation and self critique are not developed by prompters thus the final product is usually littered with micro mistakes that they cannot spot>photographers often edit their photos themselves which is another skill to learn there is a reason why people still hire photographers and artists over ai prompters after they found out that the ai companies like most salesmen lied and exaggerated the efficacy of their product
>>740807674nta, but your verbal masturbation doesn't matter, you retarded faggot. hypothetically, a computer could generate every image that has ever existed and will ever exist simply by randomizing every pixel. You don't even need an "AI" for that. Just choose the a specific sun and run the generator. Done.
>>740798501based that quote goes too hard for me not to save it
>>740788263Im not paying anyone sixty dollars for something they didnt make themselves.
>>740807971Congratulations on reinventing the concept of a million monkeys at a million typewriters. That's what AI reduces its users to, monkey hammering at keys with the eventual hope of getting what they want out of the system.
>>740799908>videos are more comedic than arousingi saw one video on twitter of a lady sucking on a bouncy ball(?) and even as someone who has an oral fixation, it was gross and unnatural looking i do not understand why it gave me such a visceral reaction
>>740798449>people still relying on the UBI cope as if state mandated genocide won't be the preferable optionBoomers will be the last generation to enjoy retirement. The rest will be too dead and destitute to care.
>>740808065yes, you do. all the time. you're a delusional retard, who thinks he is virtue singaling. meanwhile most of your shit is produced and assembled, and packed, by robots. including complex items such as a car.
>>740788263oh please all these anti-Ai people are just teenagers. Everyone, and I do mean everyone in office spaces uses AI for everything.It's like putting a warning that Outlook was used by the development team while working on the game.Funny how AI has been accepted and integrated in all things software engineering yet vidyatards can't accept it.
>>740806621>there is literally no one left who knows how to actually make anythingThis is very true but in this context I think you got the reasoning wrong. The division of labor in AAA is so split that a random indie dev probably has more knowledge of the whole production process than an 8 year veteran. It's really bad, it's so compartmentalized you'd think they're working on a military project.
>>740788263I used Gen Ai to generate a bunch of classical looking botanist drawings of local fauna. I could have paid an "artist" to $100 each to probably also just use genAI, but instead I saved $1000. Everybody is just a scammed nowadays, might as well do the cheap version yourself as well>buy a couch slip cover on etsy>it's actually just Chinese drop shipped
>>740807481>"AI will cause these problems">"Disgusting faggot, I hope everything is ripped away from you!"I'm getting deranged cult vibes here
>>740807481>>740807105Humanity is no longer important
>>740804480I don't want that though. I really don't get the appeal of making everything into mass produced sludge without an ounce of thought in it. Like if I told an AI to make me a 15-30 hour rpg with sea creatures as characters it'd still just end up with a slurry of forgettable shit because it's a machine, it does what best averages out, not the stuff some random schizophrenic dude in Japan or Russia would make.
>>740808314There's literally a study that shows most of the population is hostile towards gen AI from its core premise, and the distribution skews towards younger generations who can more easily sniff it out.This angle is kind of cope.
>>740808252Was it an AI video? It probably looked subtly uncanny because AI doesn't and cannot understand either humans or art
>>740803665>AI is the futurei remember some youtubers i watch sayiong this a long time ago and just a few months ago their tune changed very fastfunny how companies make people that supported the hell out of them turn their back on them like this
>>740808314>Funny how AI has been accepted and integrated in all things software engineering Is that why everything runs like shit and needs 10gb? Is that why Windows 11 had to queue the fucking file explorer?
>>740808314Funny how AI has been "accepted" but you still need to plead with people to stop being meanies about it, and plot to repeal disclosure policies so you can trick people into having your slop offloaded onto them
>>740808532It's that and classic fag misery; AI tends to attract the mediocre and shiftless who resent people that put effort and passion into their work, and would be happy to see everyone else dragged down to their level.
>>740808163>Congratulations on reinventing the concept of a million monkeys at a million typewriters.I never expected a retarded faggot such as yourself to be able to comprehend hypotheticals.>That's what AI reduces its users to, monkey hammering at keys with the eventual hope of getting what they want out of the system.this is peak retardation, anon. you don't understand anything. not even a thought experiment.Plus, I'm talking about saving all of the images, so that every possible image ever will exist, created by a simple machine methodically changing the contents of every pixel on a canvas. No random.TL;DR: You're a fucking imbecile. No wonder you're an artist, lmao. dilate, faggot.
>>740808716Yes.T. Microsoft employee
>>740806719this just sounds like copy + paste with extra steps LOL
>>740788263>Why is AI hated so much for vidya development?Because I refuse to pay money for something that nobody actually worked on?
Why are people making "placeholder" assets with AI anyhow? It's a placeholder, it's meant to be replaced! Why bother making it look so good that you forget to replace it?
>>740808532>>740808548>>740808868>humanityhumanity never has been important. you're self biased unsufferable pretentious cocksuckers high on their own farts.
>>740788263fuck AI
>>740808639yes it was an ai video
>>740809110>how do you do fellow humans
>>740788609I never lost though. Eat shit, loser.
>Why don't people want video games to be even lazier and less creative
>>740808716Funny how that used to happen all the time pre-AI, but once AI became the new buzzword it started getting blamed for everything.Much like covid, AI became the boogieman as to why something goes wrong.
>>740798318you didn't create it though
>>740808868>AI tends to attract the mediocre and shiftless who resent people that put effort and passion into their workI wish that wasn't the case but it really seems to be.I keep waiting to hear good AI arguments from intelligent people, because although I think it's a net negative for humanity, surely good arguments do exist.But it's just the same old retardation, dishonesty and irrational fury played on a loop.
>>740808906>>740809110Man, I hit a nerve. Sorry you never had the willpower or dedication to be good at anything.
how come pro-ai people's arguments are always the same points repeated ad nauseam and when someone makes a point that does not follow their script something that boils down to them plugging their ears and screeching?
>>740809289AI actually has a huge structural problem which is that if it's too easy to add new features it adds scope creep way too early.
>>740809110>humanity never has been importantlmao
>>740808314>all these anti-Ai people are just teenagersI still haven't heard their argument against it without using the the word soul.I mean the outrageous investments in AI is starting to become an economic problem, but we're talking about the tool itself.
>>740809334When you are responsible for a lot of bad things you tend to get blamed for them.But to be completely fair, jeets and corpobots are also heavily responsible.
>>740807971>You don't even need an "AI" for that.And now you realize most "AI" is nothing but algorithms that got rebranded for VC investment.
>>740805565because the only endgame AI has is reducing humans to zero value, the slop pushers like to jump the gun
>>740808906why so butthurt dude?
>>740809361You've heard plenty of good arguments but you dismiss them all as jeet shills
>>740788263Anti-soul development practice
>>740809367There are plenty of things I'm great at, such as the logic, accepting reality, reveling in truth, and so forth. You're nowhere close to my intelligence levels, so drastically, that I don't even consider the likes of you to be of the same species I belong to.
>>740809431Because they're trying in vain to argue the merits of something that doesn't have any many merits to begin with.
>>740809361see>>740809431
>>740809431its most likely that they use AI to reply to postyes they're probably that lazy>hey chatgp shit win me this internet argument
>>740809431>>740809672Oh and they are using AI to think for them and do everything else for them too, so they are already suffering from severe mental atrophy and it will only get worse.
>>740809569oh, so you were pretending to be retarded, of course. retarded lefty. no lefty shall ever be in any important position again.
>>740808716No, that's just indians
>>740809289Clearly, people are fine because they're slurping up all these remakes. You don't matter anymore. 20 years down the line, the zoomers buying these remakes won't matter either because there will be newer remakes for the new generation.
>>740808716No anon, don't be silly, AI is in use by everyone everywhere but is also somehow never used in services that are severely degraded or broken (all of them)
>>740794724AI lets an individual make an entire game themself>"b-bbub-but X, Y, and Z!!!"Water allows the soulless corporate overlords to hydrate and live. Should we poison all wells to prevent that?
>>740809478>I still haven't heard their argument against it without using the the word soul.Yes you have.The word "soul" has been used 8 times across 282 posts.I don't know whether you're lying to us or to yourself, but the fact that you're doing it so blatantly, when evidence to the contrary is right in front of us all, may be indicative of a severe neurological or psychological issue.Please seek medical advice.
>>740809431because AI gets blamed for bullshit like "my dog died because AI bad!!!1".How are you supposed to argue with such illogical statements?Anti-AI faggots will literally make up facts like "DATACENTERS USE UP WATER AND THE WATER LITERALLY STOPS EXISTING OMG!!" I mean you faggots honestly do not understand how the world works so you blame all your little mundane problems on AI.
>>740794360Exact same thing retard
>>740788609Winning is unlikely, but not impossible
>>740810000>quadsI rest my case
>>740809579>You've heard plenty of good argumentsI really haven't.Perhaps you think they are good, but they are not.If I heard a good argument I would immediately assume it was made by a white person btw
>>740788263Devs are already lazy enough, they don't need an excuse to be any lazier, especially with prices being jacked up
>>740810018It's just shitty technology. A glorified google that makes a lot of mistakes.
>>740809851>retarded lefty. no lefty shall ever be in any important position again.Funny you should say that because AI models are programmed to be left as fuck, especially since they come out of big tech labs that are financed by Larry Fink's money.
>>740809478>>740810005Oh but I do appreciate the Boogerman picture. Godspeed anon.
>>740809431>Why are the people who disagree with me always so dumb and wrong?I wonder.
>>740810143It only makes mistakes if retards don't know how to prompt properly.
>>740809851the word choice you use reminds me of a gas station/dunkin doughnuts/ 7 eleven/ tim horton employee
>>740810000>Water allows the soulless corporate overlords to hydrate and live. >Should we poison all wells to prevent that?
>>740788263>Why is AI hated so much for vidya development?because jews, trannies and women know their jobs are going away.
>>740810092>quadsAn abominable waste of a beautiful resource. Fitting for a discussion about AI.
>>740788263Personally I hate that literally no benefits are passed down to the consumer aside from a faster release of a (most likely shittier) product.Despite cutting down on artist fees, it doesn't drop the price of the product.Despite dropping music licensing and composition rights issues, the price doesn't drop.Despite basically making even the coding part into poojeet-doable easy tasks, you still don't see them drop the price.There will still be an expensive DLC later. There will still be nickel and diming mtx garbage in full price games, and maybe even advertising if you're a sports cuckold trying to get his fix of the ol' footy on 'is videobox. And what do I get after all this? A lower/same quality offering for the same, if not more money.What the fuck is the point? If you aren't paying as many people, aren't paying lawyers to hound people over copyright because AI generated shit isn't copyrightable/trademarkable, aren't paying musicians or artists on the same level as before, aren't paying as much to make ads for it, are still getting postpurchase monetization, and aren't taking as long to make products, why do I, the consumer, not get to receive any benefits for your crappy item? It's not like competition will stop them either if everyone starts doing that shit.
>>740810164my point still stands. stronger than ever. and if you don't understand why, then the left will never be in power ever again.
>>740810252Because you are a retarded mongoloid that thinks i'm talking about art, actual schizophrenic retard with no talent.I'm talking about microjeet and shitvidia using vibecoding for their drivers, we might see Linux take over windows because of how dogshit AI is.
>>740810018>>740810252look at him he is literally just going "nu uh" while not providing an actual argument that goes deeper than 'no you"
>>740810356Anon you don't understand, these multinational corporations dumping billions of dollars into this technology are going to democratize it all. I mean do you really think google would ever do anything bad for the end user?
Young people (and some olds) desperately want to be the rebels against the evil empire and they have been given AI as something they are allowed to hate unreservedly. They really really want that delicious moral clarity. Even better if you can reduce a complicated technological subject (which is hard to understand) to a social judgment (which anyone can do). I have a friend who>obsessively scrolls and posts on social media>watches a ton of streaming TV>watches a bunch of vidya streamers>uses cloud apps for everythingand then sends me links about how data centers are evil. I don't argue with him about it.
>>740810348>singssomeone disagrees
>>740810338It's having the opposite effect. you are a retarded nigger that stills believes in meritocracy, AI is what's letting trannies and nepobabbies not get fired. Everything is declining in quality and you are still fighting ghosts because streamer said so, stupid parrot.
>>740788849the same devs that want to use it?nice try jamboy
>>740810425>he thinks the prompt mattering is only a thing when prompting imagesThanks for proving that you were the knowledgeless retard all along. >>740810506You don't provide any substantial anti-Ai argument in the first place.
>>740810252>AI automates everything for me>but I'm manually in control of everythingsick of this AI motte and bailey bullshit
>>740792290You>automation bad, except when it threatens other fieldsArtists>automation bad, except when it threatens other fieldsAutomation bad and you're all a bunch of faggots
>>740797062How am I supposed to make another billion dollars scamming smart people?
>>740810615mad cuz it's the truthAI is a bad tool only in the hands of retards who don't understand how to prompt.
>>740791652India 2022 superpower.
>>740810607he just went "no u" again is this the best your character.ai wife can come up with?
>>740810607You are literally a low IQ retarded nigger schizophrenic faggot that thinks that he's owning the libs when the only thing AI is doing is keeping them at the top. AI art looks bad, AI video looks bad, AI coding is horrendous and requires babysitting. There's no substantial pro-argument other than "i can produce slop fast ". No one want's mass produced garbage, most people want quality. You don't cause you are a miserable third worlder.
ai automation is objectively good and it doesn't require your permissionyou will be dragged, kicking and screaming, into the future whether you like it or not
See what I mean by anti-AI-tards not being able to argue >>740810757 ?Literally can't come up with any counter arguments, so they use ad-hominem each time.>>740810782Nope. AI code is far superior solution to hand written.The other aspects are irrelevant because art and video are subjective. You are low IQ
>>740810957>jeetspacing> abhorrent posts Every single time. Go shit on the street, touch asphalt.
>>740810509You jest but I really cannot fathom why any consumer or consumer-adjacent person would be in favor of it when shit just keeps getting more expensive and AI has done fuck all to benefit consumers and has just put a few more jenga blocks into the LINE GO UP demands of businesses.
>>740810509It would be foolish to claim Google et al are acting altruistically, but it's even more foolish to claim they haven't handed out immeasurable value to the people for pennies. There is an embarrassment of digital riches available for the cost of a cheap laptop and internet connection and people are like "but what has Big Tech ever done for ME?"Also it is already possible to self-host local models that can do impressive stuff. They can't compete with the frontier gigascalers but you can run a tiny model on a 5-year old GPU that outperforms the old GPT-3.
>>740788263retards don't realize every dev is using AI nowadays, be it for concept art, placeholder, copilot or even some built-in photoshop tool
>>740811028>more ad hominemalso whiter than you
>>740810782hillarious. one person, you in this case, is wrong about everything. provably wrong. unwashed masses love AI sloppa. AI is funny. TikTok, YouTube is full of AI gen videos with tens millions of views and likes.But sure, nigger, you know better what is real and what is not. top kek. can't wait for asylums to be re-opened.
>>740811115pretty much. If every developer was honest then every game in development at the moment is using Ai.
>>740811176>unwashed masses love AI sloppaYou know those unwashed mashes are third worlders right? underdeveloped countries.
>>740811043As said by many before, if it's free/too good to be true, you are the product.
>>740788263Ai is worthless, just like stocks.
>>740810957how do you not see the irony in what you are posting? his point is that your arguments are "i know you are but what am i?" and you keep doing it
>>740811314he had no point. He is too stupid to argue in the first place.
>>740811115For me it's stack overflow basically going bankrupt after Chat-GPT dropped
>>740811267it doesn't matter in the attention economy. at mass scale your corner of the world doesn't matter. All of the U.S. is less than 5% of the global population, so nobody gives a fuck. Besides, check out facebook and AI pictures on there. U.S. boomers love them too.And also, me disproving one point was just an example. You really are wrong about everything.
>>740811043>it is already possible to self-host local modelsEspecially with how cheap video cards and ram are now!
I wonder how many posts in this thread are AI generated.
>>740788263>bad because of AI>not because of all the woke garbage like the race mixing modern day hotel sex sceneMarketing strategy. They're going to remove the AI assets to gain positive reception from retards.
>>740788263because AI is very efficient and fast at doing menial / repetitive tasks, so the troons that get paid for doing basically nothing of value will inevitably get replaced
>>740811401I can tell all AI haters aren't programmers because AI has become ubiquitous in programming.These faggots only saw the slop made by image generations and nothing else.
>>740800107pin ups are the pinnacle of pornography though, everything else is just bloat
>>740790746Dey dok aa jaabbs! Dokka doo!!I could have some sympathy if a lot of anti-ai people were not people who think 50% of normal jobs are too shit to be done by any actual person and they should be reduced to be done by brown slave labor.The best I can get you is I too wish that youtube and other sites would force you to clearly state the video uses AI (I think it's optional now unless something has changed) and then filter non-AI or only-AI videos how you wish.
>>740811713cope
>>740811553>because AI is very efficient and fast at doing menial / repetitive tasks >so the troons that get paid for doing basically nothing of value will inevitably get replacedWhat kind of retarded logic is this? This means that the low effort, talentless retarded troons will keep their jobs while others get the boot.
On a table are two buttons.One button immediately sterilizes the entire nation of India, turning it into a featureless wasteland where not even bacteria can survive, and creates a genetic virus that exclusively kills Indians.The other button culls everything from the internet produced after 2009, and erases all generative AI technology as well as preventing it from being used again.You may press one.
>>740810512>I don't argue with him about it.Because you're clearly in the wrong.
>>740811629We know it is, we can tell by how open source developers are begging on their hands and knees to stop spamming them with worthless garbage
>>740809431They literally all circle around the same subreddits and Discord servers, once you've argued with one you've argued with them all.>>740809334>yeah bro what about the indians and outsourcing and corpo deadlinesSo this means I can't recognize AI is also a net negative inline with the rest?
>>740810665Automation good because in theory people will have more free time to pursue creative hobbies like art. No need to explain me why this will likely not be the utopia we are heading towards.But this doesn't mean everyone can now make a living by painting or making music or whatever they (hopefully) like doing. It has been like this even before muh AI, even before this it was maybe 1/1000 people with serious interest, who genuinely made a living and paid a house loan by being an artist or something.
A lot of hate comes from how sloppy it looks once you notice, you look at the KH 1-3 collection box-art it just looks like shit once you see Donald’s fingers because they used Gen AI to upscale it
>>740788263>why is this thing that removes creativity from an art form so hated?Questions only a jeet could ask.
>>740811840Two because China will take care of the rest.
>work in accounting >intuit keeps trying to shove in AI features into quickbooks>literally none of it works>not once, ever >attempting to utilize it will involve a several hour cleanup process >have to constantly go out of your way to try and get the old quickbooks reports back
>>740811825nta. it is mathemathics. that's how the real world works and always has been. whenever using AI is cheaper or in other words surpasses a human in productivity (it already does in many, many areas), then the humans get replaced by it.
>>740788263Even E33?
>>740811506>not because of all the woke garbage like the race mixing modern day hotel sex sceneFlashbacks to Baulder's Gate 3 and the forced "bestiality" controversy that failed to cancel culture the game.Just shut up lol
>>740812061I don't watch these trailers or anything but I imagine people are mad about feeling deceived by sneaking in the AI content? The deceiving part is that if they had some watermark or note which said "AI content" in small text, then people would lie that they did not watch it or lost interest.
>>740812118That's not what i'm arguing, why do you retards believe that they are going to fire the nepobabbies and troons? nigga they are going to fire literally everyone else except those that are already in positions of power.Absolute fucking retarded nigger.
>>740811840>One button immediately sterilizes the entire nation of India, turning it into a featureless wasteland where not even bacteria can surviveI hate indians, but the tigers and elephants didn't do anything.
>>740812041>automation good because of this theory I admit will never be realizedDid an AI write this response?
>>740810782>keeping them at the topSlipping up and admitting right-wingers are lowly uneducated slobs with no potential to create.>infinite possibilities for creativity with AI>utilize none of them, whine it helps somebody elseYou're truly weak where it matters.
>>740811629when I program I like to actually understand what i’m working with instead of what vibecoders do which is>want to code something but dont really want to think that hard (or at all)>have AI take a massive shit all over my code>scrape away the biggest pieces of shit because I told it to throw a few diamonds in there>still doesn’t work>spend longer wrestling impossible to manage vibecode then if I just researched and understood the issue
>>740811991>uses sensationalist headlines from normie news sites made for boomerswow you sure showed me.Also the news sites told me that smart phones are passing fads that will go out of fashion by 2010.
>>740812252AI is the antithesis of creativity, Pajeet.
>>740812295Ah yes, those boomers, so plugged in to the modern day problems of the RPCS3 devs.
>>740788263Imagine if you were buying a watch, and you had two choices of identical price. Both had the watchmaker present to pitch said watch. Watch 1 has the creator walk you through the steps of manufacture and assembly, showing each detail he paid attention to. Watch 2 openly boasts that he outsourced his labor to save on costs, and plays you a video of random other people fumbling with your watch. Which do you buy?
>>740810512I just don't like things that are observably awful. I'm sorry you need to cope by pretending it's an ideological issue.
>>740812213it depends on how far into the future and tech development we're talking. It's the car not replacing the horse argument. >nepobabiesare going to be fine, because it doesn't matter what their imaginary do fuck all position is called. they'll just occupy other, more lucrative, areas.Besides, as the reality teaches us, nepobabies are usually complete shit at administration and management, which typically leads to complete failure after one or few generations. We even currently have enough countries to see that nepobabies in positions of power are worse, less competent, than a random hobo off the street would have been in the same position. esp. applies to governing.
>>740812250We can argue that people are evil and AI and other tech will be used to oppress common people, but meanwhile there were many decades behind us where people had a choice of unlimited free time and stuff wasn't expensive to do and what not.The society just didn't catch up like reducing the work week from 5 -> 4 days or such which could be done if this was a computer resource management game. In practice what happens is some people don't do shit (willingly or not) for months and months every year and other people kill themselves with work.I don't see how automation as a tool doesn't give people more free time like if you don't have to wash dishes or clothes and the machine does it, you get more free time.
>>740810727You mean everyone who uses it?
>>740812294You're supposed to prompt for small tasks, retard. Not your whole code.
>>740788609>favorite companyKekDo retards really?
Come home, Aryan man.>https://youtu.be/0Fk0KCF5lsY?t=48
>>740812470people buy the second one, as is evident by the value of the Apple and tech illiterate unwashed masses jerking off to iphones.This is not the dunk the anti ai people think it is. People don't give a shit how something was created.
>>740812674So you boastfully pay the same price for a product that was made cheaply? Bold choice, gleefully being scammed.
>>740811991There's a difference between just telling AI to generate code and using it as an assistant. Even Linus defends AI for programming and uses it himself.https://github.com/torvalds/AudioNoise/commit/93a72563cba609a414297b558cb46ddd3ce9d6b5
>>740812572If automation is so good, why doesn't upper management automate their own positions?
>>740812747no. my point is that tech illiterate people pay for overpriced crap, because they were bamboozled into thinking that they're oh so special. lmao. while tech literate people use cheap android phones. 2k vs 100 bucks is a more accurate and realistic comparsion.
>>740812674“People” also generally detest AI, so you’ll need an argument other than “the wisdom of the masses”.
>>740812593you still end up with the same problem retard>you don’t end up learning about how the systems specifically work>you end up debugging slop for hours if it fucks something up>all because you were to lazy to learn what you are working with
>people becoming more stupid at a staggering rate as they try to export critical thinking to a chatbot designed to be so agreeable with you, that you can convince 2+2=5>high schoolers literally unable to write a paragraph about text they've read since for the past 5 years they've been having text crawlers spit out a vapid 'analysis' of a passage>AI cum slurpers will look you in the eye and tell you how great this is and it's the future
>>740812812Because they are comfy and don't want to rock the boat and want to steal from other people. If it's a government job, at gunpoint too. In a private company it depends, or if it's even a private company and just not a company paid by tax money either way.
>>740812924Apple is the result of a crazy marketing budget, not consumer serendipity.
>>740812392>Confusing educated left-wingers with IndiansDo you know how backward and religious India is?They want to nuke Pakistan for disrespecting Vishnu so close to them.They're so much closer to you than me it's funny.
Corporations using AI want me to spend more money on their products yet reduce the employable pool so no one has any to spend.
>>740788263Jealousy lol.
>>740808615That's been debunked
>>740812985You know what, I'll support AI when it starts taking jobs from the top. As it currently stands it only exists to cut the workers out of the job market
>>740812983It isn't the future. It's the present. And it doesn't matter. Just like how we all love to shit on The Pokemon Company/EA/Activision/etc for being lazy shitbags making shitty games, millions still gobble it all up and will continue to do so. Am I saying we should just all lay down and take it? No, I'm just saying no one gives a shit about what a bunch of fags on a mongolian sandal weaving board thinks of AI.
>>740811816kek nigger cant read
>>740812983>blaming AI for shit that has been happening for decadesStupid trannies like you are simply unaware of how dumb people are, yourself included.
>>740812812because they're do fuck all, and you can't automate nothing.>>740812956people factually do not detest AI. they're loving it. It's one of those little lies the anti-AI crowd loves to tell itself.>>740813018something created en masse is bound to be cheaper (get cheaper over time), because this is how the automation and capitalism work. and at some point people just start buying cheaper stuff anyway.
>reading my email at work>outlook now has an “AI Summarize” button at the top of emailsdoes this button also send an automated reply to the sender detailing how your attention span is too short and reading comprehension too poor to fully read their email?
>>740813384It's useful for HR bullshit
>>740788263genAI kinda is shit and should only be considered a final asset for certain stuff you barely notice, like rocks and pavements. where AI should be absolutely utilized is coding and agentic tasks. latest Anthropic model can do miracles in that department and could help drive down production costs because you won’t need to pay 10 trannies for a whole year to do the same work Fable could do in a week with one meatbag in the loop. the whole approach to frontier models is changing. soon you will have to pay best models per tokens used, so only big companies will be able to afford it, but they will also achieve the biggest returns and leave everyone else in the dust. I’m sure at least EA and Activision will be smart enough to use AI; otherwise we'll have total chink/pajeet domination going forward.
>>740813384I always assumed that button was for long email chains rather than just giving you the net-net of an individual email.
>>740813384You are not special for reading extra, useless bibble
>>740813431nobody was gonna read that shit anyways
>>740812983>AI will make the kids dumb!Let's stop pretending. 4/5 of the retards in public school will forget everything they learned after a year out of class.Their essays were always unreadable trash, AI isn't creating the problem of low IQ it's always been around.If anything, kids that actually want to learn have access to a magic professor they can ask any question they want at any time of day and get a good answer. People who desire to create now have no barriers in place to make music, art, or film.>but they need to touch physical media! the way I did it! there's no soul!Why? Why should someone be denied the privilege of creation because they can't afford to do it the traditional way?Are digital artists bad because they aren't rubbing dyed slime across canvas with boar hair? When does it stop?
>>740788816>Get completely fucking sick of using ComfyUI because it's a horrendous piece of shit>Install Forge Neo because even though I thought installing another AAAAAAA111111111 fork is probably going to end up with another dead piece of software at least it works>It does indeed work and runs like a dreamChrist I hate Comfy. Only thing I really need to do on this is see if he fixed the "temp folder that never ever ever empties" issue with both previous versions or else I'll end up with 200gb of duplicate images like last time
>>740788263It looks like shit and wastes too many resources, hardware side and it's real world impact.Everyone will turn on AI once the companies stop subsidizing the cost to bring in users.
>>740813584I can see how it would be tough for an ESL like yourself to read too much at one time
>>740805613Yeah, artists draw inspiration from art they have experienced. The prompter is not the one filling this role. He is just a commissioner
>>740813138In what way?
>>740813941>midwit with no argument asspulls a reply
>>740813375>mobile screencap
>>740788263AI will save video games it just has to get useful for them first. It hasn't even begun yet, people are just whining about AI art.
>>740809431because they're indians (either physically or mentally) and that is typical indian behavior
>>740814046sorry you have trouble understanding written english and have to use AI to summarize it in words a fifth grader can understand lmao
>>740814050Check out this low IQ mongoloid, doesn't even know how to take a cropped screenshot on Windows.This is the kind of moron trying to tell you technology bad. He probably confuses his SMSs with his email.
>>740814232 malding jeet
>>740814213>still no argument after his "waaaah illiteracy" BS was destroyedKeep coping
>>740808314Office workers are the most worthless faggots in existence. They sit at a computer all day just going through the motions while they wait to clock out. They don't engage their minds or bodies. I'm surprised AI hasn't completely replaced them
>AI makes making games easier and massively cheaper for devs so we get more games>AI also makes PC parts and consoles prohibitively expense so nobody can afford to buy them>The games are still released at full price T-Thanks Sam Altman...
>>740809361AI's great for retards like me who work long hours and have a lot of commitments but still have hobbies that benefit from having supplemental artwork handy. I run a tabletop game and use AI to generate tokens and shit for it. Would I make them myself if I had the time and skill to draw them? Yeah. Do have either of those things? Nope. But hopefully the latter changes eventually.So I slop up tokens that are good enough, and my players don't really give a shit since I'd just be making proxies with other people's art anyway (and in fact do that at the same time). For corporate stuff I have yet to really see the value proposition.
>>740813954The prompter envisions something he wants to see and/or depict, based on his previous experiences, and writes a prompt he thinks will produce that. An artist envisions something he wants to depict based on his previous experiences and tries to paint it.The intent behind both actions is the exact same, the difference is in the tools and methods used.
>>740814341brown
>>740797159>the time between the postsfunnier than anything aijeets ever came up with
>>740812674>People don't give a shit how something was created.And yet there's a ton of evidence to the contrary where AI is concerned.
>>740813260I love that cute girl in the other videos, she's so hot.
>>740813375Nta but American illiteracy has been well known for a long time, but it doesn't change that schools are being forced to put almost all grade weight on testing and quizzes because any take home work, essays, or other supplemental activity is being put through the slop mill and having zero beneficial effect on kids other than teaching them to be con artists. HOWEVERI will say that from what I've been told, some educators have essentially given up and told students to slop it up as much as they want because again, tests are now the bulk of their grade. I can't say if this is a fault of teachers or the system being unable to adapt to the rapid advancement in cheating techniques, but it is a huge burden to be taking a test worth half your grade instead of the 25% they often were before.
>>740814481>>AI makes making games easier and massively cheaper for devs so we get more gamesNo it doesn't.>>AI also makes PC parts and consoles prohibitively expense so nobody can afford to buy themIt will eventually lower them.>>The games are still released at full priceWhen it actually makes games easier and cheaper to make, we'll see exponentially more games meaning exponentially more price battles meaning exponentially cheaper games. This one is further down the road though.
>>740813198They are two different things. It's often a political choice to pay someone six figures for doing nothing, it has hardly anything to do with efficiency.I'm not a fan of Milei but someone like him could cut down a lot of the useless management in any country. Another move is to stop mass migrations which are currently done with the excuse that "there are no workers" which is a complete lie used to just stagnate wages and putt workers off balance vs corporations. Inb4 "just force them to pay everyone bigger wages and you can take in infinite worker supply" or "if a migrant works and a citizen is unemployed or vice versa then everyone wins because more spending".
>>740814917It's a deafeningly vocal minority consisting of social media keyboard warriors that spend their days looking for reasons to get mad at something. And when corporations use social media as a metric for optics... well, let's just say that these people have a lot more influence than they should.
>>740813628I mean, they don't create it. They ask the magic professor to make it for them.
>>740814524Why do you need skill to draw TTRPG tokens? My first dnd game was had literally nothing physical but dice, character sheets and whatever was behind the DM screen. I enjoyed it a lot more than the later campaigns where everything was visually represented
>>740814524>supplementary material for a D&D campaignI wouldn't say this is a good argument for AI in general, but it is a good use for it if the players are fine with it. Being able to churn slop out does have its value.
>>740807105>forced to live on UBI eventuallylollmaoroflThere will be no UBI. You will just die.
>>740815080I think you're underestimating how many people hate this shit. They're fine using ChatGPT or whatever but that doesn't mean they'll accept AI generated games and movies and books.
>>740788263It's performative
>>740815197people dont like to just die, they generally cause a ruckus on the way out
>>740815259The ruckus being screaming about giving more donations to Israel and begging for more immigration
>>740810356I can see many bad things on the horizon. steam got 20 thousand new game releases last year. with current AI models and agents, anyone can become a dev and shit out an AI game in a week. people are already making pokemon clones. this will lead to 5x or 10x new game releases on steam. nobody has time to dive through all that trash to find hidden gems. one positive thing is that now smaller indie studios, let's say 20 professionals (coders, artists, composers, game designers, writers...), can output a product of much higher fidelity and compete with even AAA games. games like clair obscure might become commodities in the following years.
>>740810018>AI gets blamed for bullshitNever happened>WaterDatacenters turn clean drinking water into chemical filled sludge because they're too stingy to set up closed loop cooling. Sludge that requires energy for treatment to make it usable again, energy that's already spread thin due to said datacenters
>>740788609But if I was ever truly upset about AI then I would just play old games, listen to old music, watch old films/TV shows that never used it.
>>740815108More or less because I just like having a decent visual representation, but also because I've had real issues with mild ambiguity in my text descriptions causing my players to draw wild and unintended conclusions from things. If you mean why don't I just deal with them being ugly: I don't wanna. And I doubt they would be readable on the table with my current level of skill (read: garbage)
>>740790746>AI and data centers!>Bitcoin farms!>globalization!>WTO!What is it going to take for you idiots to realize that youre racists who want slavery and how all your complaints come from letting West Taiwan suck the blood from out veins?
>>740791534>if it looks finished you're not going to spot it and replace it later.damn we'll never spot assets\ai_placeholders_replace_later\random_poster.jpg
>>740815653Fair enough. I admit I've had my own issues with ambiguity
>>740790746Life is better because of AI though. Cool art and science is progressing faster.>>Is being used to utterly flood the internet with low effort slop, and I mean fucking floodNot a bad thing since it looks good, is funny, sounds nice, etc.>>Is causing incredibly unstable releases across tech in geneal not just vidyaYou're full of shit.>>Is being mass abused, adopted, and expected by brainless exec types despite being an ill fit resulting in a worse experience ofr literally everyone This happened before AI and nothing has changed since. In fact things are more secure now that AI has found so many exploits which encouraged patches.>>Is already causing huge job losses and is a further massive threat to job security in fields well outside vidya which could very well result in massive societal unrest and instability as things get worseIt's a good thind to get rid of redundant jobs.This is called progress.>>cherry on top is making everything in this hobby cost a fucktonI was already a gamer, you just need a GPU.>I think the real question is why wouldn't you hate AI?Only idiots hate it, you didn't even mention any actual downsides to it like voice cloning letting jeets scam people better.
>>740788263the demo for this game was a complete bore
>>740815048They will never get cheaper (new) unless you mean the lowest of the low sloppa to infest the backalleys of Steam.The thing you're forgetting is that half of a game's sales is marketing and brand loyalty. Pokemon games do not sell because they are good, they sell because they are Pokemon. What actually would happen is that production budgets would be slashed and publishers would demand the same sales targets, thus mandating the same prices. No matter how "amazing" custom AI sludge games get, the market will always be dominated by bigger names, and will always drag in sports idiots who are too stupid to use a computer properly to begin with, Pokeaddicts who thumb their nose at competitors, and ball and gun normalfags. And you may say fine, I'll get mine, they get theirs, but ultimately that's besides the point, which was about prices.Maybe in a hundred years, after current shit dies and people are used to their AI cock cage shit in every aspect of life, people will be forced to lower prices back down to $170 (adjusted for inflation it's a bargain :^)) a game because everyone is just wallowing in their own slop, but you will never live to see it.
>>740810252The people who are good at prompts are locally generating for themselves. They don't matter
>>740815908good morning saar
>>740788263The average person doesn't give a shit and has no clue and the people who screech can't even tell when it's done well (or when it's intentionally so artistically poor they think it has "soul" lol). The problem with AI is when you can tell it's AI. Anything else is just tribalism and tangential factors.
>>740812213because at the end of the day, companies don't care. it doesn't matter if it's a troon or anyone else for that matter. AI does not need paid leave, time off, mental health breaks, health insurance, etc. it's inevitable. not now, but in 5-10 years from now we're going to have a very different conversation
>>740815986Yes they will it's the most simple economic concept. You're genuinely retarded if you think otherwise. People will be making decent games and releasing them for free because of AI making it so easy.It is a ways off like I said but 100 years? Not even close, we've already been seeing it without AI.
All of the anti-AI arguments can be debunked with either1.) If not for AI, these video game developers are just going to outsource the game to Indians or fill them with premade assets anyway. Just look at Starfield and FFVII Remake. It would be significantly better to have someone who actually knows what they're doing use AI to do those jobs instead.2.) You're a commie. As soon as you start talking about "muh workers" you've lost the argument. Go make like Karl Marx's daughters and kill yourselves.
>>740815908>yeah it ruins discovery but uhm the spam is actually a good thing, you guys like interacting with AI spam right?>yeah it's being abused by brainless execs but the execs were already brainlessYou must be using GPT, you can't be real.
>>740815361Ok but what does that have to do with lowering the price or giving me a better product for the same price? I'm talking about existing developers, not hypothetical crack squads of dudes generating all the assets for a game and slapping it together to flood Steam. As said by a certain bitter movie character, when everyone's super, no one will be. Thus I only am referring to big studios.
>>740816356why wouldn't they just outsource the prompting to Indians
>>740816384There was "thing I don't like" spam before AI too. Basically you're grasping at straws, if that. You don't have any real argument here that's why you're already onto the ad hominem.
>>740816356They are outsourcing to prompting Indians
>>740816545We're going to pretend search engine discovery is the same before and after? I noticed your arguments revolve around "if you ignore magnitude it's all the same", which is fundamentally dishonest.You know what you're doing, don't even bother presenting yourself as having an argument at this point.
>>740816667It's always been changing and AI search is better than any search engine by an infinite degree. Pic related.
>>740816264No, you don't get how shit works if you think that. There's a little thing that your average shmuck generating something with AI to sell does not have, it's called MONEY. You literally didn't read a single part of the post. If some dork makes some "decent game" and releases it for free, no one will play it. If he releases it for a dollar, no one will play it. The world does not have the attention to afford for every indie to become the next FNAF and Undertale (or let's bring it back to free, the next Helltaker) and upend the AAA industry. It is notoriously hard to break into an existing market even with insanely high quality, there's actual handmade indie games that are less than 10 bucks with beautiful style and engaging gameplay for every demographic and you know what still ends up on top? FIFA and Pokemon.You'd need to completely upend society for that to be untrue and that's way longer than your lifespan away.
>>740816850>there's actual handmade indie games that are less than 10 bucks with beautiful style and engaging gameplayI was going to respond to you seriously but you're mentally handicapper, no point. I just wonder what causes retards like you to be unable to imagine the most obvious future.
>>740816356Ok but likeIf you're reducing cost and firing everyone you can why do I still have to pay $70
>>740817052what point do you think you're making here
>>740813628>because they can't afford itI'm so tired of this argument. Creation isn't expensive. Some of the best creative output was made on a budget of two peanuts and some pocket lint
>>740788849AI is gay because it's stuck behind subscriptions while it should be local
>>740817137I'll let you think on it, maybe you'll cure yourself.
>>740816397>what does that have to do with lowering the price or giving me a better product for the same priceI think we'll need time to hit equilibrium for prices to match the drop in production costs, but it's inevitable that it will happen. we might have an industry crash before that happens, though, because of the insane flood of low-quality junk.
>>740817052You actual fucking retard, I literally said that not every fucking indie hopeful can become the next global hit, and Palworld hasn't stopped Pokefags from eating their garbage like I mentioned above. Like you legitimately didn't read fucking anything and just asked gpt to pick out a sentence to bitch at.
>>740817253>YOU ARE RETARDED BECAUSE I SAID THE MOST OBVIOUS THING NO ONE WAS REFUTINGwhat the fuck is wrong with this retard lmao
>>740788609I never paid for dlc and never will. In fact 4-5 dlc crosses the limit where I won't even bother pirating it anymore.
hating ai in 2026 is very cringe and short sighted. lots of GOATed meme tier content being made with ai. https://youtu.be/TtTuJ55IIrw?list=RDTtTuJ55IIrw
>>740815324oh i thought we were talking about the people being replaced by AI, not nepobabies
>>740788816SAAR YOU MUST REDEEM THE AI SAAR
>>740817558the nepobabies are the only ones who will walk out of this unscathed
>>740795351Your car will never drive you anywhere. Best youll ever get this century is geo fenced taxis with jeets with controllers piloting your car for you when it decides to drag a grandma for a mile off a crosswalk. Entropy's a bitch. Turns out the human brain is how nature solved the problem of getting something from point A to point B in a non-deterministic universe
>>740817147but it is local
>>740817732it is not
>>740817676nigger read the fucking comment chain before replying
>>740817759yes it is...
>>740796876Post cannot be debated
>>740815908>Cool artNo>looks good, is funny, sounds niceNo>redundant jobsNo>Only idiots hate itNo
>>740817885yep it's a seething tranny
>>740790746>and I mean fucking floodFucking flood, you say? Damn, must be serious.
>>740816183>he people who screech can't even tell when it's done wellIt's never done well. But occasionally it can be difficult to tell the difference been regular soulless slop and AI soulless slop
>>740815048>No it doesn't.Literally by design, it does. Don't know what bullshit you're trying to pull, but please keep it to a minimum
>>740817347No you fucking moron, you said something that literally didn't argue against anything I said. The point was that not every indie can become the next superstar (which Palworld is, among a sea of competitors) and that even with those, the top stays at the top. Palworld has not and never will dethrone Pokeshit. The endless ocean of indies becoming bigger will not change this.
>>740818082this you?
>>740816356>1.) If not for AI, these video game developers are just going to outsource the game to Indians or fill them with premade assets anyway. They're still going to do those things even with AI. It will be multiplicative slop.>2.) You're a commie.You're using an anti-thought accusation to shut down discussion. You're not "debunking" anything.>As soon as you start talking about "muh workers"You do know that you don't need to be a commie to care about other people, right?You sound like you have an incredibly sheltered and infantile view of the world.
>>740795520And they were always right. You just adapted to an inferior state of existence. Going to a theater to watch Wagner opened my eyes to what was lost. Now most modern shit in those theaters is just a disgusting insult to art and humanity. In fact I now understand the controversy of Mozart. Great and meaningful emotions are aroused by an exchange of ideas between the artist and the audience. Saccharine entertainment insults the audience. It is emotional pornography, not an exchange of viewpoints and a sharing of culture. It is all evil. This is why something like E33 is respected, while something like Elden Ring's "Zanzibar" nonsense plot isn't. Demon's Souls and Dark souls weren't just fun, they made a subtle point about struggle, whether intentionally or not. Repetitiveness just exposed there was nothing new to say. Only pointless entertainment to inject, diluting the meaning of the original. "Sequel" as a concept itself is corrupt.
>>740817196Why is it inevitable? I don't think it ultimately will ever be the direct cause of a price drop standard across the board or even just minor benefits like more free updates and removal of extra monetization in full price games.It's not because AI reducing costs being funneled down to the consumer though. It's because companies are just flat out in line goes up mode panic all the time now. Cutting workforces, rushing releases, removing content, not bugtesting, etc. are all now standard practice because doing so makes the numbers look better, and none of that had anything to do with AI.Thus, AI will just be absorbed into that and continue to provide zero benefit to the consumer.
>>740817492That's awful even by the usual standards of rap
>>740818215reminds me when there was an ai generated dress and all the anti ai foids were drawing themselves in it
>>740816771AI search engines are solutions to problems they created. No one asked for one prior because results weren't filled with autogenerated spam.>Pic relatedProtein folding is not the same as search engines and discovery, oh my god you fucking bot. GPT probably fried your brain, you can't even keep track of the short discussion.Either way, ultimately gen AI was a net negative to hobby communities, this is demonstrably the case and popular opinion for a reason, goodbye.
>>740817816you have to pay to use proprietary shit which is on the cloud
>>740817972Cool, good argument
>>740818549missed that, source?
>>740818569>AI FINDING THINGS YOU ASK FOR SNT SEARCHyou absolute fucking retard.and keep in mind literally everyone uses AI search and it's great, you're mad about nothing
>>740818215No it isn't, but nice NFT monkey lmao
>>740818753I don't, because it sucks
>>740818753I don't think he said that
>>740818765yes it is
So what about the "AI generated material is not eligible for trademark or copyright" stuff
>>740796876Everyone already knows that the only thing that people learned about AI before the last AI winter was that as soon as a problem was solved, it stopped being AI, on the basis that it became understood and therefore could be mechanical.The techbros think that they can make intelligence out of the current shit fuck because they have designed a system that they can't understand. A system that cannot be understood is the essence of intelligence to them, and you can't convince them otherwise.
>>740818753The point was about discovery in creative platforms (games, art, music)You brought up an example of protein folding.They are not the same thing and do not use the same code. Unless you think AI is one singular "discovery", which you are outing yourself as another AI shill that can't even code but still want to talk about the tech.
>>740818918you just need to work a bit and you can copyright ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp-XulmbSbY
>>740819143I don't have time to watch this, sum it up for me chatgpt
>>740818215>doesn't show the actual responses, simply asserts "many">zeroing in on the existence of the occasional retard (who could even be a false flag) to dishonestly try to invalidate all anti-AI>using an edge case that primes people with a bad faith lie as "proof" that AI slop isn't extremely recognizable as a rulenice gotcha
>>740818523>Thus, AI will just be absorbed into that and continue to provide zero benefit to the consumer.you're grossly underestimating the impact AI will have on game dev in the next 10 years. you probably think we'll always be limited to dumb LLMs and that further AI progress will just be marginal which is dead wrong.
>>740788609sonic team you lazy fools! refine your physics
>>740819274>generate a pic>img2img it a bit>use some layers while editing image>draw ebin benis :DDD in paintyou can now copyright your AI art.>>740819290it went very viral anon, thousands of people made fools of themselves even after the dupe was revealedhttps://x.com/SHL0MS/status/2054280631807316329?lang=en
>>740819324yeah man, the tech oligarchs who have spent billions developing LLMs are totally going to start from essentially zero to start developing artificial cognition or actual AGI instead of just trying to brute force LLMs to seem more lifelike and force everyone into their LLM walled gardens
Why did they choose to make their protag's chin a butt?
>>740818215reminds me of that childish drawing of sonic that people were praising as soulful without realizing it was ai
>>740819481kek
>>740819481I don't have a xitter account because I'm not a faggot
>>740819545whatever the next stage of AI might eventually be, LLMs will have a key role in getting us there through recursive self-improvement.
>>740818215>>740819481twitter is like 95% bots
>>740819290>zeroing in on the existence of the occasional retard (who could even be a false flag) to dishonestly try to invalidate all anti-AII literally saw someone spamming AI art in a /vg/ thread trying to fool people and when people called it out as AI slop you can see how angry he was.I imagine he just spammed the site like 100 more times until he got an epic got-ya moment. "see no one can tell the difference!"Just a bunch of cunts.
>>740819642Yea same energy but this one was a lot more mainstream so you hundreds of reviews from arm chair experts that are actually professional retards. The 4chan exchange was short and sweet.
>>740819824Unlikely considering they can't actually do that.And even if they could, how much land, power, and water will that take? At what point do we as humans say "hey, is this even fucking worth it"
>>740819659>art critics are morons who make shit up on a whimWe've known this for a while.All it shows that people are easily led when they expect good faith from you and you lie to them about context for a petty gotcha.
>>740819290This guy legit baited a bunch of people
>>740819840Yep. As a rule it's easy to tell the difference. It doesn't mean there won't be an occasional outlier, but it's telling they have to try so hard to manufacture that outcome.
>>740819954>Unlikely considering they can't actually do that.they're already doing it. most of the heavy lifting when training new models is done by current models and not humans.>And even if they could, how much land, power, and water will that take? Irrelevant, we must keep accelerating.
>>740820057a bunch of bots more like
>>740820012It shows that you morons operate purely on bias and are not being objective.
>>740820097People have gotten hypersensitive not wanting to interact with real art if it looks like AI. AI bros interpret this as "ai is just as good as the real thing", anyone above room temperature IQ understands that no one wants to interact with something that might even be AI lead.
>>740819954>>740820113The point of LLMs is just to automate tasks to make the next generation of AI easier to make. It started with computer vision and now AIs can see very well, which lead to better computer vision, AI art, and a lot of other stuff. Image tagging into AI understanding images into AI image tagging is a clear example of that kind of acceleration.
>>740820057>shows a well-known aspect of human psychology, that people will perceive what they've been primed to perceive. If you tell them they're eating a $100 sandwich they'll think it tastes better than if you tell them they're eating a 50 cent sandwich>All it does is gaslight them into disliking a monet painting, but there is no AI picture involved so it proves nothing about their ability to spot AI
>>740820262>>740820097Sore losers. The fact is that people just hate the idea of AI, not what it actually looks like. This has been proven time and time again by people criticizing drawn art or photographs thinking it was AI. And praising AI art thinking it wasn't AI. You spergs just dogmatic ideals rather than real opinions.My favorite is the, "I liked it until I knew it was AI."
>>740820645>just repeats what the second post says but as if it was supporting your viewpoint
>>740820745Nah. Everything can be that outlier to these kinds of people. They're just fanatical, there's no reason in them.
>>740820645>spam 100 AI got-ya threads>one person falls for ityeah yeah solid argument that's also using a screencap from 2022 that I've seen a million times alreadystfu bot
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>>740820380>badly drawn sanic the hedgehog>crayon doodle by a toddlerDoesn't look badly drawn or like a toddler drew it at all, so AI can't even get that right lmaoThere are tells desu, but you don't often get people using AI to try and reproduce things like that so I don't blame those anons for being tricked
>>740794724What confuses me is how people make this exact same mistake you proposed.AI is a tool. We can argue about its qualities, but a tool nonetheless.You can use tools both with- and without soul.What remains is the intent and effort of the person behind the tool.
>>740794724AI is soul, you have made a mistake.
>>740815762not how that works + there's a lot of "we'll replace it teehee don't worry" going ondeveloper art is super super super obviously shit on purpose anon
>>740820645>>740820736Tricking people into shitting on real art isn't the same as proving they can't spot AI art. The sonic one >>740820380 is the only valid example and that's only because it threw a curveball that people fell forFunny how all of these "gotchas" are just the result of lying and dishonest framing...
>>740794724It's because it was deliberately made a partisan topic so people support AI out of principle of being favored more by conservatives. It's literally bot behavior.>>740821274>it's a tool it just bypasses all decision making and shits on the future talent pool through a collective lobotomy as proven by multiple studiesjust like a hammer!
