How many do you have? Do you honestly give a fuck?
I will never buy a cuckcard.
>None >Not rrally, I just don't buy them. Still haven't boughted pokopia even if it looks cool because there's no physical version
I was contemplating going fully digital on Switch 2 this gen but GKCs are far cheaper to buy used.
>buy a "full" game on disc/cartridge>it's immediately made incomplete and a waste due to updates, patches and content add onsPhysical is honestly pointless.
0No because I don't have nor want a S2
>>740805604Only one, bravely default. I really dont like them, and if available I buy the switch 1 version of a game.
None and they’re absolutely horrendous and shouldn’t exist. The switch 2 already barely has any storage to begin with, now you have to dodge these stupid ass fake game cards that fill up your drive with bullshit. It’s a system derived purely from greed and laziness, do not encourage it.
>majority of bluray games require installation on PS5>*crickets*>some third parties require the game to be installed>GRRR FUCK NINTENDO EVIL JEWISH COMPANYidgi
>majority of bluray games require installation on PS5We know.You guys wouldn't shut the fuck up about this and the superiority of plug n play cartridges before GKCs showed up.
>>740807001>too much of a weakling to reply to a postyeah, I do prefer full physical "pop in and play" and always will, I just think the reaction is comically overblown. People act like they're taking away the ownership of games and then will turn around and buy their vidya on Steam.
>>740807259oh shit sorry>>740807001>>740806836i misclicked the quick reply
1, Star Wars Outlaws. They would have been fine if the new SD card storage wasn't so expensive.>Digital game, can't lose it, just your account>Physical game, you can lose it but get another>Key card, you have to download a digital version that cannot be accessed if you lose the cart
>>740805604I don't own physical DRM or consoles that enable such cancer, that'd be silly.
>>7408056041/12
>>7408068361.) the game needs to be installed yes but it’s actually on the disc and can be installed offline, GKCs contain no data and need to be downloaded. 2.) pokopia was a GKC despite being 6 gigs, Nintendo is not above putting their games on GKCs3.) defending this by saying “but Sony does it!” is like shitting on the floor and going “but the dog does it!”. Game cards are better in every possible way, don’t defend this garbage.
>>740807592>>Physical game, you can lose it but get another>>Key card, you have to download a digital version that cannot be accessed if you lose the cartThese are both the same.
Game cards > Game key cards >>>>>> Digital
>>740807854How is digital worse than a digital game with a physical DRM component forced on it?
>>740805604None, I'm a digitalchad.
>>740807987You can sell GKCsYou can't sell digitalYou can buy used GKC's for cheapDigital is however much the publisher says it is
>>740807694>but it’s actually on the disc and can be installed offlinethe PS5 pro doesn't even include a disc drive, and adding one requires online connectivity to authorize it for some retarded reason>pokopia was a GKC despite being 6 gigs, Nintendo is not above putting their games on GKCsIt isn't an in-house Nintendo game, it's a Koei Tecmo game so technically a second party release. Also, the usage of GKC has very little to do with the game's filesize or budget reasons and is instead the response to bandwidth limitations of physical media, i.e. the same reason you have to install games on other modern consoles.>defending this by saying “but Sony does it!” is like See above. I (so far) have no purchased a single GKC and hope to keep it that way, however I am well aware why devs had to use them.
I have two, FF VII and FF VII rebirth. Will buy Revelation too. If game is +100GB I can take GKC.
none because I buy digital
My main issue is storage, 256GB out of the box and even in the flash memory apocalypse an 1TB sd card is still twice as expensive as a console compatible nvme ssd, if you can find an 1TB sd card to begin with, most likely 256GB is best you can find in the wild.PS5, XBOX come with 1TB out of the boxPS5 Pro 2TB.
retards act like GKCs are replacing full physical cards, if GKC didn't exist they would have just used digital codes instead like on S1GKC is a replacement for single-use codes, but now you can resell themyet according to /v/ this is bad and we should just go back to how S1 did it?
>>740809119Download keys are better than GKCs because you don’t have to haul your ass off the couch to swap the cart out. GKCs have all the downsides of a digital game but none of the upsides.
>>740809119>GKC is a replacement for single-use codesSwitch 2 games are still being shipped with codes in the box
>>7408056040im only buying them if nintendo confirms the downloads for these things will be avaliable forever and they give me at least 1 TB MicroSD expressMore likeGame cards >>>>>>> Game key cards > Digital
>>740809119Neither should exist in this day in age. All software should be on the cart. Why even sell the fucking case it comes in.
>>740805604The amount of storage space you need for games sucks. You can't be like I mainly play physical games so I only need a 256gb sd card. The storage is more expensive now because they're the sd express cards.
Zero I would never buy a nintendo product after the DS.
>>7408056040. If its anything beyond just a physical disc or cart with the full game on it, i might as well just pirate it. No way in fuck im ever paying for a download.
>>740805883This is BS. Unless you are buying completely broken shit, patches and updates are unnecessary fluff.
>>740806060I like how some SE shill was saying how they are a necessity for games like FF7R to run on switch 2, yet made no attempt to mention why Bravely Default or other small games need them, especially when the same game gets a normal physical on Switch 1. Its pure cheapness and a dash of laziness in being unwilling to compress down file sizes.
>>740806836I wasn't aware i need the internet to install from a disc.
>>740807694Part of me is hoping they are holding out on a proper release of Pokopia once all content is out.
>>740810809see >>740808136>PS5 pro doesn't even include a disc drive, and adding one requires online connectivity to authorize it for some retarded reason
>>740808831>buy digital>buy
>>740809119Absolutely false. If GK were not an option, the majority of these games would be getting proper cart releases, unless the game is the tiniest shovelware or the biggest uncompressed pos that should not even be running on the system. If what you said was remotely true, the vast majority of S1 games would be code in a box.
>>740805883They spent the last generation training you to believe this. They started throwing content in updates instead of being in the base game specifically to devalue your desired product and make you want to give in to what they want.
>>740811038That's gay, but im also not using a pro.
>>740808136>and adding one requires online connectivity to authorize it for some retarded reasondepends when you bought it, slims and pros from at least mid-late last year took out the requirement, not to mention your PS5 PRO has 10x the available storage of a switch 2
Games being dependent on the internet to function, is the worst thing to ever happen to the medium.
Retarded fucking faggots buy this shit
>>740809119>retards act like GKCs are replacing full physical cardsThey are. Ubisoft, EA, Activision, Capcom, Sega, Bamco, and Squeenix would all be forced into taking the hit price-wise if they didn't exist but because it does we now have the entire KH collection coming out on a GKC instead of two if not three carts, we have an entire Resident Evil collector's edition that is coming solely as GKCs even though they could fit the carts out there, and we have people like you justifying it when random indies like Ratatan or Gunvolt Chronicles coming out on full carts it's insulting.>if GKC didn't exist they would have just used digital codes instead like on S1Which is what should have happened because then it wouldn't be stealing your cartridge slot while still taking up full space on your system unlike a proper cartridge game, and you'd have it tied to an account. If you are not planning on selling your GKC it's objectively in every single way worse than a digital copy both in convenience and execution.Why in the world is anyone defending this practice? Every single limited run company that does 2000-5000 copies is biting the bullet for it and still making a profit. SRG only has 5000 copies of this game for example and did it.https://superraregames.com/products/srgs2-01-minishoot-adventures-switch-2Japanese indies are doing it and releasing them just fine. Western indie publishers like iam8bit have zero issue with doing on cart copies like both Hollow Knight and Silksong S2 releases.There is zero excuse for these major companies not to do it outside of greed. We've actively seen with discount stores like Slickdeals or CAG that GKCs drop in price quicker and harsher than other normal S2 games. S1 versions are also retaining their value compared to the S2 releases if they're on GKC, great examples are DQ7, Octopath Traveler 0, and Snoopy & The Great Mystery Club off the top of my head. FFX+X2 being a GKC when it had a full physical in Asia on the S1 is idiotic
>>7408056041.When it really boils down to it, it's only hurting people who don't understand how system modding or emulators and ROMs work. These games will get backed up and preserved way sooner than the servers that you download them from will be shutdown. This only truely hurts the reseller market way down the road, and people who are too stupid to figure out how to download/play them using unofficial means.
>>740811491Good to know. My original ps5 has never even been online and i intend to keep my pro the same if thats the case with new models. Also worth mentioning S2 did something similar for far more petty reasons for launch systems and i would hope that is no longer the case.
>>740805604None.I don't think about them much I just don't buy them.
>>740811609To be fair, the KH collection and new rayman still require a download for ps5 disc versions.(because the publishers are cheap, lazy cunts and the concept of multiple discs is a lost science to them)
>>740811491https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/ps5-consoles-don-t-require-182735784.htmlforgot to link the article before everyone starts yapping, strange that this kind of positive news never get enough coverage,
>>740811857Yeah, and it's equally as retarded there because it's cheap as dirt to get a second or even third disk. That doesn't excuse the practice at all, if anything GKCs have made them more comfortable with doing it.
>>740805604I would be more open to key cards if they worked like old pc discs where you install the game and don't need to insert the disc again unless you want to install it in another pc.
>>740805883Most games disc games on PS5/Xbox are perfectly fine without patches and can be played from start to finish entirely offline. It's the Switch 2 that is actively cucked.
>>740807694>the game needs to be installed yes but it’s actually on the disc and can be installed offline, GKCs contain no data and need to be downloadedNon issue. Every steam game needs to be purchased with internet, and downloaded, with internet, and nobody cares. You're crying about nothing. >pokopia was a GKC despite being 6 gigs, Nintendo is not above putting their games on GKCsNintendo doesn't make pokemon >defending this by saying “but Sony does it!” is like shitting on the floor and going “but the dog does it!”. Game cards are better in every possible way, don’t defend this garbage.Everyone does it and always has.You're fucking moron. I guarantee you're a PC vegan.
>>740811276>If GK were not an option, the majority of these games would be getting proper cart releasesHoly shit you're straight up lying. These games are on GKCs because if they weren't the publishers would only sell the game digitally.
>>740812693>everyone does it Except Nintendo, that was the whole fucking point of buying a Nintendo switch nigger. The games run worse but you actually own them. Now they’re taking that away.
>>740812693No Steam game requires physical DRM slotted in anywhere.
>>740812693NTA, but are you retarded enough to not understand that those buying physical on consoles are not equating to the same thing as downloading games on pc? If im buying a physical copy, i want it to work on its own.
>>740812693>famitsu schizo having a meltie over the unanimous rejection of scummy game key trashis there a single L this guy doesn't take?
My big complaint is this is just another way to push costs onto the consumer, I don't care if a full cart costs $10, that's still much cheaper in the long term since SD cards are still expensive as fuck, and size is going to continue to be a massive issue.>>740805604Only bought it for Bravely Default since I'm a super fan, everything else, I'm going to wait for it to be $20 or less.>>740805883Fun fact, if there's a Switch that has the update already, you can transfer that to yours.Also most games are able to function without a day 1 update.
>>740812909Then why are 90% of switch 1 games not codes in a box, Einstein? GKs exist in such numbers because it lets companies do cheap "physical" copies.
>in a few months millions of subhuman tendies are going to pay $80 for GKCHow come Nintendo is determined to be the greediest game company out there?
I'll buy physical as long as possible. There's a local media reseller store near me that buys vidya and gives you store credit. I will continue to do this until that store shuts down or until they stop making physical games.
My digital games on Steam will probably still be accessible in 2100. Good luck finding a working Switch 2 at the end of this century, physical chuds. Looks like us digital-chads win again.
>B-b-b-but I prefer physical!!!Yeah, getting physical with men
>>740810738Exactly, if they want to be kikes about it, charge more of the physical release just put it all on the fucking cart.
>>740805604I buy all my games digitally
>>740813889It's a portable device with a big lithium battery that the majority of the people are too dumb to replace, it's not gonna last even a quarter century.
>>740812964>Now they’re taking that away.No they aren't. Nintendo is putting all their games on cart. >>740813020I know. Did you have a point to this comment? I know how things work. >>740813115>buying physical on consoles are not equating to the same thing as downloading games on pc? How so?>>740813116Sure.
>>740813221Nope. You're lying. GKCs exist because otherwise those same games would NEVER have a card release and only exist as a digital download. What youtuber told you othwrwise?
>>740813889>steam explodes>my games still work because I can freely copy and mess with the filesdunno why this simple fact is so hard for physical DRMfags to understand, they're just advocating for storage media full of anti-copy anti-tamper DRM
>>740813889>My digital games on Steam will probably still be accessible in 2100They won't because Steam will be long gone by then as Gaben has no one to succeed him when he dies.
>>740805604Just Pokopia. Every other game can fuck off.
>>740811319Shit gets day 1 updates because they keep working on games after the cartridge print order is sent out nowInstead of needing the game to sell well enough to get another shipment that might have some bugfixes included like how there's a dozen versions of OOT just on the N64
>>740813889>he actually believes this
>>740814347>>740814535You can literally drop a single DLL into the folder to defeat Steam DRM. If you have the game installed, it takes a few seconds to get past it.
>>740808136>discs are just as fast as flash cardsWait, QRD on this brand new technological development?
>>740815165who are you quoting
0I have conditions under which I'd buy one but so far none have been met.
>>740814149More and more big releases are coming out on cuck cards and it’s only going to increase, it obviously isn’t about size seeing as pokopia is 6 gigs. Compare this to the switch 1 where the vast majority of releases got a physical cartridge and only a handful got a download key. Nintendo obviously doesn’t mind publishing games on these stupid things, what makes you say they’ll never release one of their games on one?There is no defending this shit, so far the best argument you’ve come up with is “I should be allowed to shit my pants because babies do it all the time!” if Nintendo switches to all digital then there’s simply no reason to buy their consoles, you’re essentially paying a premium price for a low end console with games that literally never go on sale (that’s another reason to always buy physical).
>>740807694The typical piss5 disc can install itself without internet or psn login.Shitty GKCs can't do that.
>>740805604None of them. If a game is a Key Card, I just get the digital version.
>>740815478Exactly. In terms of physical media the hierarchy is Game cards > discs > flash drives >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cuck cards. (If you can even call them physical media at that point)
>>740805604I give enough of a fuck to not buy them.
>>740805883>>740812010https://www.doesitplay.org/depends on the game, some do need updates but honestly nothing that can't be done without some modding/ manual update in the future when you will actually need it,some are worthless without a update like Pkemon gen 4 remakes, it's a genuine insult
>>740805604it's like an eshop purchase except you can resell it
>>740805604I'll just get it digital
>>740808136See >>740815216. Apparently flash storage is faster than discs, and Switch 2 uses flash cartridges.
>>740805604I'd rather just buy full digital like I did for pragmata, why pay for thre inconvience of physical with next to none of the upsides? I don't sell my games so that aspect does nothing for me.
>>740815893anf lash storage is the one that tends to fail the most...that's what actually worries methat said maybe im wrong and 15 years later the games play fine, I remember similar worries about 3ds and ds games and here we are, they work fine, even most NES and Snes games out there
>>740816021Yes, prolonged non usage of these types of cartridges will corrupted the rom and it starts deleting themselves, but only starts being a problem if it gets negleted after a decade.
>>740809119>retards act like GKCs are replacing full physical cardsThat's the end goal of schemes like this.
>>740816180So I should run my games at least once every 5 years, kdoes this apply to ds/3d games?
>>740805604I would rather buy a digital than this piece of shit.There is no point. Include the fucking game inside the card.
>>740815893Where did I say that?I fucking didn't, anon.
>>7408056040, I'm not retarded.
I have no idea of what they were thinking with thisonly reason im not buying anything Square Enix there, im ging full steam or xbox (if physical is available)
>>7408056040A little since they're a key factor if I'll ever buy that game or complete skip.
>>740805883>t. digitalcuck zoomerThis will shock you but... there's people that doesn't depend on internet and is terminally online.
>>740807694>2.) pokopia was a GKC despite being 6 gigs, Nintendo is not above putting their games on GKCsThe IP belongs to TPC, Nintendo is only a partial part of it and Pokopia was made by Tecmo who have a record with jewery seeing those overpriced digital games on the 360 store back in the day. Pokopia was doomed from day 1.>>740810985Me too.
>>740805604>How many do you have?Zero.>Do you honestly give a fuck?Yes, if I can't buy a real physical copy, I just pirate.
>>740815380>it obviously isn’t about sizeNo fucking shit, it's about money. It is not a mystery why GKCs exist.>There is no defending this shit,Then start going ape on Steam, EGS, and GoG, since literally every single game they sell is a code in an email. Then notice that Xbox and Sony have consoles that LITERALLY can't play physical media. What you are doing right now is seeing the beginning of the last domino falling, Nintendo trying to hold the entire stack up by themselves, and blaiming them for the entire stack that fell before them.
i almost fell for it but bravely default hd arrived just in time
>>740816228False, that's not the end goal.
>>740817405on pc i mean
>>740817318>Pokopia was made by Tecmo who have a record with jeweryMy Hyrule Warriors AoI copy does say Tecmo but not GKC
i'd rather GKC than digital only. Now THAT is a scam.
>>740817551Because Zelda is an IP 100% under Nintendo's control, I explained shit clearly to you before and still didn't get it.
>>740817551Hyrule Warriors is Nintendo. Pokopia is The Pokémon Company and Game Freak
>>740817727It's interesting how the perception of how much Nintendo controls pokemon changes depending on the argument being made.
>>740817868I didn't see it change at all. Nintendo has never owned pokemon. It's not their property. You can stop trying to change this whenever it suits you for console warring purposes.
>>740817868Pokemon CEO wanted the switch to fail and wanted to go full mobile slop back then, also the one that allowed it to get eaten by foreigner dei investors
>>740817812My Pokopia box doesn't even have the KT logo like Hyrule has on the back, i have to squint to read the Koei Tecmo text.It has a lot of Nintendo trademarks tho!
>>740818270>My Pokopia box Post it, tranny. :)
Wait until they get reverse engineered so you can download games for free.
>>740817868>It's interesting how the perception of how much Nintendo controls pokemon changesIt doesn't change; Nintendo has always had 1/3 of ownership of the IP for decades. The only change was GFcrawling its way into the series by becoming partial owner within the TPC
>>740818270Pokemon is managed by Pokemon Company, that's why it was created, Nintendo owns the rights, that's it
>>740818413The internet will be censored beyond belief in 10 years lol, you will be lucky if they allow you to download a JPEG
>>740817467What is then?
>>740818363i'll post both my copies since i already had the photos taken lying i bought them.Strange how it's just the POKEMON logo, while Hyrule not only shows the KT Logo but also the specific studio that made the game.
>>740819208>pokopia has microtransactionsfucking hellOn an unrelated note; do the Euro releases of games still bound to PAL or they're region free for real?
>>740819341>>pokopia has microtransactionsno it doesn't
>>740819341That hasn't been a thing since the switch, the 3DS was the last console ever to still have that limitation
>>740819438The in-game purchases is deceiving then.
>>740819080To provide an intermediate solution to the threat of publishers dropping physical media entirely due to currently high tech prices. All this information is at arms reach. It isn't a mystery at all and is already disclosed to the public.
>>740817389I’m blaming them for implementing a feature they didn’t need to implement, you’re using the “I should be allowed to crap my pants because babies do it!” defense and it doesn’t work because Nintendo already had a good system, arguably the best system. Besides the switch 2 is absolutely not equipped to handle these GKCs, the fucking thing only has 256 gigs of storage and just one of these games is 70 gigs. Again, stop fucking defending it. It’s clear the dream Nintendo has is to get rid of physical entirely and force people to use their godawful e-shop where they literally never put their games on sale. These are the same people that charge $70 for an 8 year Wii U port. All you have to do is say GKCs are bad and you shouldn’t buy them, instead you’re trying to say everyone else is worse, it just makes you look like a braindead fanboy. If I buy a game physically I want to physically own it, simple as that.
>>740819485So they are 60hz and all that jazz?>>7408195213rd parties asked for keycards; it's another part of their plan to drop physical. See how SE and Capcom are ones using them the most.
>>740819341>pokopia has microtransactionsNot yet but they probably told the rating board about the expansion pass packs well in advance.
>>740819645>I’m blaming them for implementing a feature they didn’t need to implementSo you want all 3rd parties to go full digital and only be sold on their e-shop as opposed to using GKCs?>It’s clear the dream Nintendo has is to get rid of physical entirely and force people to use their godawful e-shopWait, you just said you wanted this. Now you don't want this? Are you a retard?
>>740819694>3rd parties asked for keycards; it's another part of their plan to drop physicalNope. 3rd parties asked to go fully digital. Nintendo gave them keycards so they wouldn't
>>740819694>>740820015>3rd parties asked for keycards>Nope. 3rd parties asked to go fully digital.to both of you
>>740820015>3rd parties asked to go fully digitalNo, they asked for a "suitable" way to release their games physical on the system. Keycards was the best Nintendo could offer. Needless to say it was all a ruse and 3rd parties began to abuse the keycard option using them for games that were far below the size cap of a regular Switch cart. It's nothing but jewery from the publisherIsn't the newly announced KH collection exactly something like this? A keycard for bloated games way above their normal data size?
>>740805604>how manyOne. But it's a game I also got digitally so it's a novelty>do you give a fuckYeah, I'm a bit sad I'm losing this gen because I don't usually go digital and already have two games I wanted for Switch 2 that are confirmed to be key cards so I'm just going digital for them
>>740820541damn those evil third parties forcing nintendo to make their physical media prohibitively expensive and inventing a scummy alternative and also forcing them to use it in their own games, what can we do to protect nintendo from these evil third parties running all of nintendo's retarded decisions behind the scenes?
>>740819947Not only is that straw man argument, it doesn’t even make sense. If I don’t like GKCs, which are essentially digital games, then I obviously don’t like digital games. if cyberpunk 2077 can release on a physical cartridge then these games have no excuse, if my choice is playing the game on a GKC or not playing it I’m going to pick not playing it.
>>740819521Which is bullshit since indie developers are able to pay for the Switch 2 carts. It isn't the tech prices it's their greed. Same bullshit applies with that whole slow memory on cart excuse Ubisoft tries to bring up. Some how you can get Cyberpunk 2077+Phantom Liberty and Indiana Jones on proper Switch 2 carts running decently but you can't put Star Wars Outlaws and Rayman Legends Retold on cart?
>>740820407Nintendo is eating some cost to help 3rd party publishers give consumers physical media by providing them GKCs. These 3rd parties weren't ever going to use standard carts because they're too expensive for them in the current market. If Nintendo werent doing this those same games would only be published digitally. This is all public knowledge disclosed when GKCs were first announced, contested only by illiterate manchildren on social media who have a bone to pick with Nintendo.
>>740820541>Isn't the newly announced KH collection exactly something like this? A keycard for bloated games way above their normal data size?That fucking collection is to be avoided anyway because the wording on the ps5 data download notice seems to imply that you are going to have to install ALL THE GAMES even if you just want to play one.
>>740820768>damn those evil third parties forcing nintendo to make their physical media prohibitively expensiveThey could do performance work on their bloated software... they will do everything to avoid that. There's no reason why a game should be above 32gb, let alone 64gb.>what can we do to protect nintendo from these evil third parties running all of nintendo's retarded decisions behind the scenes?Not buying jewey third party shit ofc, it's ez; ask Ubisoft
>>740820862I literally don't give a fuck what you want
>>740820882i'm just asking for an article, matre, you didn't need to write all that.
>>740820996And yet you continue to reply to me desperately defending these stupid fucking cartridges. just take the L and move on, goddamn.
>>740820904>mfw have a PS2 and seeing the collection announced only to the little excitement going full flaccid the moment the keycard icon is revealed and individual game's storage sizeI'll stay playing them on PS2, no thanks Squarenix; I'm buying Stellar Blade if it's complete of cart instead.
>>740821013No thanks, you can do you own research. >>740821102Why would I take the L when I'm correct and you aren't?
>>740805604I never have and never will buy a GKC.The people who don't give a fuck now will definitely give a fuck later.
>>740821224What are you correct about? All you’ve said is that GKC‘s are bad but you want to defend them because you want to defend Nintendo. it doesn’t make any sense.
>>740820882As opposed to the guy incessantly shilling for nintendo and poorly excusing all of their shitty practices? It's actually baffling that you think you're in any way more mature than the strawmen in your head.
>>740821327>All you’ve said is that GKC‘s are badUh...no. learn to read please.>>740821395GCKs are pro consumer so your little rant falls flat.
>>740821224>"Waste time writing up sourceless fact"[1]>[1] I dunno, mate, look it up lolThis board does the funniest shit sometimes
>>740821617>GCKs are pro consumer so your little rant falls flat.They're so pro-consumer they became and issue that even Nintendo had to adress. Meanwhile the smart ones used it as a marketing hook to make their games more attractive since they're complete in cart.
>>740805604someone give me the qrd on these key cards? from what i understand it's basically like those copy protection dongles from way back in the day?
>>740809119>retards act like GKCs are replacing full physical cardsperhaps because of the numerous games that ship on full cards for switch 1 and GKC for switch 2.>GKC is a replacement for single-use codesnope, those are still being made for switch 2.
>>740820882All Nintendo had to do is create larger carts storage wise with slower memory. Then use it similar to the data disc structure of Sony and install the games on the internal drive or an micro express sd card.Keycards wasn't even necessary. And don't say they couldn't do this or it's still too expensive since these chucklefucks are still releasing Switch 1 versions on top of Keycards.
>>740821693Can't help you. Sorry. >>740821778Can't help you, sorry.>>740821775>They're so pro-consumerI agree. When the only alternative was a fully digital copy GCKs are the pro consumer response to that.
>>740821617>pro consumer>can't use them without internet or signup>this for a kiddie console, where small kids should just be able to insert a cart and play without having to go through fucking EULAs and connections>waste more of your paltry 256gb storage because nintendo sucks>games that come out in physical versions for both switch systems have a perfectly normal, fully working game-in-cart for the switch1 buildYeah, no way. >bu-but ps4, ps5 and xbox make you install the games too!Yeah, but they come with bigger 500-1024GB storage and optical discs are slow as fuck so it's justified, whereas the flash memory switch uses is much faster, yet they drop the ball with that
>>7408056040 i will never buy a switch 2 due to this trash
>>740805604zero. i haven't purchased a single game since 2010. short for world of goo 2 because there was no mac version on tpb. refunded that though. all my consoles are jailbroken. i have no friends so play no multiplayer. and switch 2 has no good games yet. hopefully they jailbreak it when it does.
>>740805604All RE games. I am glad I did, because as soon as I beat them, I will sell the collection.
>>740821819>all Nintendo was to do was become a chip manufacturerLol
Guys, i know for a fact that Nintendo is about to go full GKC when the autistic rage for it eventually dies down like all things do.Source: Can't help you, sorry
>>740821925More pro consumer than fully digital which was the only other option, yes.
>>740805604they're better than code in a box imostill would rather have physical but at least you can sell these if you felt like itand since it's on the system memory the loadtimes are faster than running it off a cartridge, so it's nice there's a perk
>>740821923>When the only alternative was a fully digital copy GCKs are the pro consumer response to thatThey're no pro-consumer; they're a physical option for publisher/devs. Not a good one as time proved but an option nevertheless.
>>740822202>buy game and you own nothingVs>buy game key card and your money is 100% secured in property you ownIt's pro consumer. Can't really debate this fact. Digital only published media is cancer.
>>740821617>GKCs are pro consumer ??????????How the fuck is DRM plastic in any way pro consumer? You’re paying for a license key you need to pop into your console to play, its not physical media at all, full stop. Christ dude, you give Nintendo fanboys a bad name.>>740821778You insert the GKC and it downloads the game to your console from the internet, in order to play the game you need to keep the GKC inserted. A normal switch cartridge you just pop it in and play it, no download required and it maybe uses 500mb of storage if it has an update.
>>740822417>>740822397
>>740822081>go to manufacturers who produce Switch 1 carts>tell them to use cheaper chips with larger memory but slower read/ write speeds for new Switch 2>now have data carts that can store up to 128GB but requires mandatory installsThis shouldn't even mess with their finances
It's a proven fact that the current physical switch 2 cartridges aren't enough for current games in terms of storage nor even in terms of speed, devs already said it.The future IS GKC, your carts will all be as worthless as discs when it all shuts down.
I had 2. Persona 3 Reload and Sonic X Shadow. I traded Persona 3 in. I'm not buying any more.
>>740814408Every update to OoT either removes fun glitches or censors shit. The earliest version is objectivly the best version to play.
>>740822397>meaningless soigument because he knows he has nothing to go withweirdest part is that you thought anyone would fall for this retardation
>>740805604Just one
>>740822540My future is never buying a nintendo console with fake media lol.
>>740822397Except you don’t retain your money because no one wants to buy these things, they consistently sell less than actual cartridges and their resale value is terrible. And of course you’re now required to have an internet connection to download them, have to put up with the frankly absurd file sizes and the download times associated with them, and you have to hope Nintendo never takes down the servers. Oh and in the TOS it says any game that’s on a GKC can be deactivated and rendered inoperable. None of these things are a problem on an actual cartridge.
>>740822660If you need to excuse yourself from this debate then that's your prerogative. I told you it wasn't debatable after all.
>>740822397>buy game and you own nothingYou own the game, retard.>buy game key card and your money is 100% secured in property you ownYou buy the storage media with promise of a game. It's less than digital since you can slap the data from the license you paid for into several HDD along the way.
>>740822815>debateYou're a retarded shill spamming retarded coping nonsense that literally no one agrees with, there's nothing to debate since there's no logic behind it to begin with.
>>740822539It will; after GPUs and all the shit AI shilling is fucking up, storage media is the next one in line.
>>740822397Physical mediaVs Physical media that you need to connect to the internet to use.It's not pro consumer.
>>740822540Damn, Pokopia was 100 GB?!?
>>740822952>Physical media that you need to connect to the internet to use.It really is glorified digital in physical form with none of the advantages of both of them. When are supposed to arrive the replacements of keycards?
>>740807762They're not, because with the game key card you essentially bought a digital copy that can't even be played. There is no game data on the key cards so you literally have to download the game off the Eshop. I got star wars outlaws because it was on clearance physically. The download size sucks. Basically it's just a digital copy with an extra step getting in the way
>>740808832This. Both FF7 Remake and Rebirth are 90GB+ each and can only be bought with GKC or Digitally as the physical game cards for Switch 2 only hold 64GB, and with the third instalment it's safe to say that all three games will take up more than the 256GB that the Switch 2 has so getting extra memory through a SD card is a must.I only bought the 128GB SD memory card for the first Switch and I didn't use that much of it, but I feel that I may as well get the 1TB SD card for the Switch 2 which will be expensive. I would buy physical and much as possible like I did with the first Switch but I feel that there will be other games that won't fit on the 64GB card and either have to be bought digitally by GKC or through their online store.
>>740823016No but Final Fantasy is, bet your ass you won't be able to fit the entire 7 Remake in with only 256GB when all parts come out
>>740822750Don't forget that banned system is also completely unable to download GKCs, whereas if you stick a physical game you can at least play that in its 1.0 version.
>>740823268See I can understand it for things that are physically impossible, but cheap cunts like sega are using it for things that can easily fit on a cart because it costs them less.Hell I think they should do like the PS1 to 360 did and use multiple physical carts if the game is too big to fit on one but again, anyone using them is a cheap cunt.
I do not like GKCs because they defeat the fucking point of owning physical - availability at any time, with no need for authentication. The only, and I mean, ONLY redeeming factors of them is that they're technically digital downloads that can be resold, and that because they are technically physical media, are subjected to retailer sales instead of being at the whim of Jewtendo or the publisher.I'm fine with Steam and GoG because they are eternal platforms, and PC is an eternal format. The games I own from 2008 and onward will still be accessible in 2028, 2038, 2048, and so on. I can't say the same for my Switch or Switch 2 library when Jewtendo inevitably decides to pull the plug for whatever brand new console they have out at the time.
>>740823267>>740823268>256gb for a fucking shitty reimagination/sequel that didn't meet expectations>jumping from 2.8 gb to 256 gb>The visuals aren't even that goodWhat excuse Se is giving for such retardedly big size?
>>740805883This. Anyone COOOOLECTING physical after Gamecube/PS2 gen has useless discs that don't do anything anymore.
>>740823554>I can't say the same for my Switch or Switch 2 library when Jewtendo inevitably decides to pull the plug for whatever brand new console they have out at the time.As long as you play them on the ocassion you'll be fine. If you sent them to the shelve realm for years they'll die. Nintendo implemented anti-collectorfag measures in physical media. Based Nintendo
>>740823710My 360 games are fine, physical became shit with Xbone/PS4.
I will never buy a game key card or pay for digital media in general. Fuck the WEF, fuck Nintendo, fuck Steam and fuck the globalist jews.
>>740817868When it sells well tendies use it to boast about how much money their friends are making. When it’s worse than shovelware it’s suddenly Gamefreak’s fault and their friends aren’t to blame.
>>740818363Blown the fuck out cultist faggot >>740819208
>>740822750>Except you don’t retain your moneyYes you do. You own the game you buy and it's your property. >no one wants to buy these things, they consistently sell less than actual cartridges and their resale value is terribleI'm sorry that this is your opinion on the matter. >Oh and in the TOS it says any game that’s on a GKC can be deactivated and rendered inoperableSame as digital. The only two options that 3rd party devs were going to do have this. This isn't a criticism of GKCs specifically but for all media in general that requires downloads, including every PC game.
>>740820882>whenever Nintendo’s greed shines through, I must defend
>>740823710>>740823909>yeah, physical games just went to shit the moment i stopped using a console by sheer coincidence. no i don't need to check, i'm sure.
>>740822821>You own the game, retard.Nope. If you owned anything you could legally sell that thing.
>>740822898Sure.>>740822952>Physical mediaThat wasn't an option
>>740824018>When it’s worse than shovelware it’s suddenly Gamefreak’s faultYes, it is. Faggots secured their attachment to mainline games joining into the tpc
>>740822952>Physical media>VsWasn't an option. GKCs exist because 3rd party devs weren't publishing traditional carts due to costs. The options were just a digital release, or GCKs.
>>740824286Actually it's when PC bent the knee to Steam, it took more time to that cancer to fully arrive on consoles. Also, I stated Xbox and PS4 (Wii U was free of this entirely)
>>740823710I disagree.
>>740805604the fact that you're making this thread shows that you're mad OP.anyway, not buying your plastic DRM in a box
>>740824253Sure.
>>740824171>Yes you do. You own the game you buy and it's your property. You own the cartridge not the data because the data isn't residing in the cartridge unlike proper Switch 2 carts.>I'm sorry that this is your opinion on the matter. Not that anon but it is a fact Keycards are worth less than their real physical counterparts. Good examples are the Puyo Tetris 2 and No Sleep for Kaname. The Switch 1 carts are not only more valuable in the used market but are also more valuable new at retail. Switch 1 carts consistently are priced higher than the Keycard version.
>>740824501Funny how these 3rd party devs release both sw1 and sw2 versions, yet the sw1 version is fully physical and not some digital code bullshit.And there's no way Octopath 0 is a gajillion GB game, so no 'muh space' excuse applies here.>but switch 2 is probably more expensive!Sure, but how much? It's still a plastic box, printed materials, plastic cart and the main flash memory (obligatory on sw1, optional on sw2 since there's GKCs). Nintendo making sw2 flash options limited is on them. They should've seen the sheer amount of games out for sw1 and plan around it, many of these could easily fit on 2GB or 4GB cards, especially retro-style games.They should've thought about huge-ass games as well and plan accordingly. There are microSD cards with 1TB capacities flying around, so it's not like the flash tech doesn't exist. 128GB covers almost every AAA shit on Switch2, except compilation stuff like the KH collection that was just announced (it's 138GB).
>>740805604i dont have a switch 2 but I will avoid any games that have these when i eventually get one.they're genuine trash that has no purpose
>>740805604I have Pac-Man World 2 Repac. Wasn't a big deal to me because it was only 6GB. The one I'm really worried about is The Adventures of Elliot.
>>740825276Obviously tradutional carts are better.
>>740805604i only have pragmata because denovo games cant run on my pc. i didn't even realize when i bought it so it kinda pissed me off. its only like 3% of the switch 2's memory space so i dont really care now, i'll just keep the game installed.
>>740805883You forgot >Install game data
>>740825373>Funny how these 3rd party devs release both sw1 and sw2 versions, yet the sw1 version is fully physical and not some digital code bullshit.Then buy the Sw1 version. It works on Sw2. >Sure, but how much?Enough for 3rd party devs to opt out of traditional carts entirely. >They should've thought about words words words words words words wordsDo you keep this same energy when looking st your worthless digital steam library you don't own or Sony and Microsoft pushing consoles that literally can't read physical media? Or are you just cherrypicking Nintendo because you hate them? It's far worse everywhere else so your outrage is correctly being dismissed by me as silly.
>>740805604These are the reason why I refuse to ever buy a Switch 2. If I'm not going to be able to own a physical copy of the data then I see no reason why I shouldn't just pirate everything.
>>740826214Good news for you then, you own GKCs. They just require internet.
>>740826302No you don't retard. You own a key that lets you download files from someone else's server. A server that's going to not exist anymore 10 years from now. You're literally paying to rent a game and to me that's the most cucked thing imaginable.
>>740826378>You own a key that lets you download files from someone else's serverThat's what I said just using more words. >A server that's going to not exist anymore 10 years from now. False.
>>740805604I accidentally boughted MHS3 and Pragmata without realizing they were game key cards For other ones I've just downloaded them
>>740825373If I understand correctly, the switch 2 cards are based on the SD express standard, which has a relatively high minimum size requirement, so in the case of games with tiny file sizes, the devs dont want to pay for cards with a ton of insured space. And in the case of larger games, even if there are options that could fit their games, the costs just become so insane that it becomes hard to justify using them over key cards from a financial standpoint. These has been an issue for Nintedo for a long time. Just look back to the N64 days, where most 3rd party devs just opted to using the controller pak has the means for saving game data instead of shelling out the cash to include the battery back-up option on the cart.
>>740809598Why would they when they can sell you a port of it on the Switch 4 for the same price?
I've been picking up cheap games at retailers while they are still full price digital on the store. I'm a fan
>>740805604zeroyes, which is why I have zero
>>740826069You running Linux?
>>740826521I take it you preordered them online, but how can you miss that big gray block on the bottom of those covers?
>>740811857Rayman Legends Retold is on disc, but Origins is a download which is why they have a disclaimer. Shame about the Switch 2 version though, and it is a shame we won't get a new physical version of Origins because of that (unless someone does it later)
>>740828649Is it not getting a physical PS5 version?
>>740826197I do own my digital library, and it's not on steam. :^)When the ninty/sony/xbox servers die,I'll be laughing, with proper local installers.
>>7408056043. It doesn't really bother me.It's the same shit as the other consoles nowadays. What's the meaningful difference when most games have a day one patch the same size as the damn game.I'd like games to be full games on the cart but most publishers are going to cheap out. I like having the cart and a physical game so I'll still buy a game I really want if it's a GKC.Let's also be real, most people buy digital games. Both PS and Xbone have consoles without disc drives so people must be buying digital games.
>>740805604>How many do you have? So far, just one. Only because I found it cheaper than the usual sale price on eshop>Do you honestly give a fuck?I don't really mind GKCs. You need internet to download updates and DLC anyways. I also didn't fell for that "muh server shutdown in 5 years" meme that people love throwing around. The wii servers are still up and that shit came out like 20 years ago
>>740828825An installer doesn't make you own your game any more than a functional game folder that doesn't require some installer exe.
>>740829505>What's the meaningful difference when most games have a day one patch the same size as the damn game.The game on the cart works without it just fine, a keycard doesn't.
>>740805604Zero. It's the worst of both worlds, and if it's the only option I'll just not buy either out of spite. I've bought digital only games before, if for whatever reason you can't release a physical version okay I guess. But if you offer me two shit choices that are effectively the same thing I'll spit in your face and tell you to fuck off.
>>740805604I will never buy one, it even dalayed me in buying a Switch2. GG Nintendo.
>>740828825Only if you live in the EU.
Funny how no one says a peep now that the other two are doing it.
>>740829612It is a way to support a dev while also ensuring that the future functionality of a game depends entirely on my part, not some jew suits.>download the installer file>keep it safe in storage>use it whenever I wantA server being taken out doesn't affect me. The company changing hands and license agreement bullshit changing doesn't affect me, either.The ESA whines about SKG as if players want actual ownership of code, assets and IP when they talk about 'owning' games. It's intentional misdirection that is just ridiculous. If you buy a book, you 'own' the book, but that doesn't mean you own the actual rights to the story or its coverart, same goes for games. When we talk about game ownership, it's about said game being playable and functional - that's all.
>>740830131What's about the EU that makes it special? If jews try to get in to take my hard drives with GOG installers, they'll be getting a nice dose of lead.Once I get the offline installer, it'll always be there unless the storage media is fucked (and that's why we have RAID).
>>740830227>internet requiredfucking trash. Is it only for the Origins bonus, or both games?>>740830131What's different about GOG when it comes to EU users?
No idea. Don't give a fuck.
>>7408056040, because I only buy digital.
>>740831194Because EU is the only region that might honor ownership of digital media, albeit with literally zero means to facilitate that ownership. For instance they say you own digital games, but GoG and Steam and EGS will never offer any sort of function that gives you any of the basic benefits of ownership, such as buying, selling and trading games between users.
>>740805604I only have switch 1 game cards
>>740831464GoG might actually let users own their games, but it's uncertain, and still new grounds. The EU just recently passed a movement granting users ownership of their digital games, but nobody has yet to honor it, and people think GoG will be the first.
>>740831819We'll see about it. But even if they don't change things GOG is fine as it is. You can download the installers and do whatever you want with them (yes, this includes giving free copies to friends as if you're copying c64 tapes)I don't need actual rights over the content of the game like the ESA thinks. I just want it to work without needing approval from anybody.EU is doing good things lately, which is surprising (usb-c, forcing repairable battery design again) so I'm hopeful.If nintendo doesn't release the new EU-compliant switch2 worldwide, they are fucking punk ass bitches who deserve to get fucked
>>740808108Your gkc isn’t going to be worth shit in the future. They are long term rentals at best. Good luck finding a greater fool to buy them from you.
>>740831114>da supportdon't care, didn't read, you can't spook me
>>740834104Yes, because that's how you get more games from the devs, dumbass.
>>740831634It would be practically impossible to offer actual ownership in the form of GOG-like offline installers while at the same time facilitating legal reselling or trading. You might as well legalize piracy. And if the choice is between offline installers and some kind of platform-specific selling/trading function that's still DRM-locked, I would choose the former 1000% of the time, so I hope they never even try to push for anything like the latter.
>>740812010PS5 yes, Xbox no. Most Xbone discs function exactly like GKC, they can't do shit without an internet connection.
Anything that's not fully available physically and offline on a console is a scam. That goes for both digital and GKC.It's different on PC because you actually have control of your files there, and can do whatever you want with them.
>>740805604None.No.
>>740805604People said that going digital will make game cheaper. It's been 20 years since that, I don't see where is the supposed "cheap" game.It still cost the same as actual game card.Honestly it's just an excuse to scam people at this point and I wil not contribute to it period.
just why are cartridges expensive? is it the microchips?
>>740841346nintendo has a monopoly on licensing and they see developers as opportunities to exploit rather than build healthy business relationships with, same thing happened during the n64 era
>>740828731Maybe later down the line but at launch it's just included with Legends Retold
>>740831464Only for Origins
Game key cards tickle my autism so I don't really care to get them. Physical media is so barebones this day as it is. FE FW collector edition will be my first physical S2 game.
>>740842796it's bad consumerism if those 3DS carts die. i heard they had a ten year lifespan? pokemon and fire emblem carts are affected I heard?
