Was the original zelda a good game or is it just because it has the brand name?
>>740805620it was amazing at the time that spawned many copycats.hard to say if it holds up as good experience today... the nostalgia is too strong.
>>740805620No it's legitimately the best game on the NES and probably top 5 Zelda overall.
>>740805620It’s indisputably one of the best NES games. No one can deny that it’s at least in the top 20.
we had the gold cartridge as a kid. i never got close to beating it, but im going to this weekend
>>740805620I just played it for the first time last year on original hardware (MiSTer FPGA) and had a great time. It really captures that sense of adventure and wonder extremely well and the combat is simple but very fun and frantic/challenging. I couldn't put it down, think I beat it in just like 2 days.Only thing I didn't really care for was the constant bombing every wall of every dungeon and burning every tree to find secrets was a bit tedious, but it's whatever. Also I really enjoy reading the manuals/maps of older games and referencing them while playing, I feel like it adds to the experience. >>740805927Top 3 for sure, probably #1
>>740805620Zelda started with LTTP and ended with Tri Force Heroes, only occasionally reviving since then when a 2D game is released.
>>740805620its good but the design is antiquated. by that i mean, it was made to be the OPPOSITE of an arcade. its made specifically so you will spend a long time playing it because at the time video games were quick sessions on an arcade.so its not that its hard, zelda 2 is hard, its that unless you can dedicate hours upon hours to it, you will never beat it. play the redux romhack, which at the very least corrects the bad hints the translators fucked up and adds slight visual changes to show you what can be bombed or burned. youd have to bomb almost every tile and burn every bush otherwise.with the redux i think you could beat pretty quick just because you wont be spending years looking for the entrances
>>740805831>>740805927No it fucking isn't, I was there. The reason it took off is because it was easy. Crystalis, Guardian Legend, Legacy of the Wizard, and Clash at Demonhead were all better games but were more complex and difficult so they didn't stick the same way. The fact that The Guardian Legend is even a game playable on the NES is ridiculous and somehow slept on.
>>740806116I gave a little leeway. I’m sure someone out there thinks there are 10 NES games better than LoZ, but good luck naming 20.
>>740806270ALTTP is a direct continuation and refinement of Zelda 1 though. I'd say it's actually closer to the NES games than it is to any of the later games.
>>740806423>I was therethats what makes you unobjective. if you let ME decide the best n64 games, i'd tell you its gex and id be WRONG
>>740806423Zelda 1 wasn't easy, and Crystalis is way easier than Zelda 1 you larping zoomer fag. And Guardian Legend is straight shovelware from one of the most overrated devs of the era, the only reason anyone hypes that dogshit up is because of its "le hidden gem" status.Fuck off contrarian retard.
>>740805831it's not even the best zelda game on that system
>>740806405>zelda 2 is hardIt's much easier actually. Knowing what to do lets you brute force everything so long as you have not abysmal reaction times.
Zelda 2 > Zelda 1. You're a stupid ass weak nigga if you disagree.
>>740806726>>740806789Zelda 2 fucking sucks and is a massive downgrade from Zelda 1>jarpiggy grinding crap in an action game>this jarpiggy grinding crap leads to MASSIVE power differences>where just a couple levels (few minutes of grinding) makes you literally TWICE as strong>instead of actually adventuring and finding gear that gives you a satisfying power increase, you.... just farm the same trashmob 200x and congrats you got the master sword now!!!>trashmobs can take 10+ hits to die and one shot you, or die in one hit and need 10+ hits to kill you purely depending on your jarpiggy grinding level>shitty, broken hitboxes for numerous enemies>tiny little dagger sword that jabs 3 inches in front of Link>combat is massively dumbed down as you only have left/right to move instead of all four directions, and most fights are now just 1v1 instead of vs multiple enemies; nothing better exemplifies this than the shitty final boss where you sit in a corner the whole time>downward stab attack is insanely OP against every enemy it works against (or you can just jump right past them)>magic system that encourages just ignoring enemies>generic recolored dungeons Zelda 2's combat is fucking shit and you're an absolute fucking retard. It's a downgrade in every way from Zelda 1 and ALTTP is the true sequel to Zelda 1.
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>>740806789Vinny...
>>740806765nah. its way harder than zelda 1. zelda 1 is artificially hard by hiding entrances. zelda 2 is harder because the GAMEPLAY is hard. its a hard game with hard restrictions and punishments. sure you can learn the game and start getting good at combat, but thats irrelevant because thats true for anything>flying a plane isnt hard, i do it every day, now baking cakes is hardyou get it right?
>>740807049Hit boxes are bad yeahSword reach is terribleBut all the rest is just you not liking the leveling system. Grinding to get stronger than the enemies is not a flaw. That’s just what grinding and overleveling is.
>>740806116>on original hardware (MiSTer FPGA)this has to be bait
>>740805620legit good game, but really outdated by today standards
It was good for the time, has not aged well
>>740805620It was legitimately amazing. You had to be there to understand.
>>740805620It was good because we never got it's contemporaries in the West like Xanadu, Y's and Hydlyde until years later
>>740807809Zelda 2 is "hard" only due to obtuse progression and jarpiggy grinding crap.
>>740805620It's got some polish even if compared to *checks* Hydlide..I suppose..
alright if zelda isnt the best nes game, then what IS the official nu/v/ top 10 nes games list?
>>740809647Don't listen to the contrarians. Zelda is the best NES game and everyone knows it.
>>740805620Is a great game.Sure there are some parts a little obtuse but you need to keep in mind this game released in the 80s, you were expected to ask your friends, read magazines, take notes and/or call the hotline to beat those obtuse parts. There wasn't a bad Zelda game until Skyward Sword released, and still SS is worth one playthrough to enjoy the good parts of it
>>740805620Kek
>>740805620It's genuinely a fantastic game. I still replay it every few years.
>>740809647zelda is in the top10s, but there are other kinos...Castlevania, Ballon Fight...Pinball?...Star Force..SMB1 and 3...maybe more!
>>740809647castlevania 1 and 3. mario bros 1. banjo kazooie. terminator 2
>>740809647>alright if zelda isnt the best nes game, then what ISBubble Bath Babes
Every time I replay it I get confused on where to go after the first dungeon. And every time I see clips of it from other people playing they're using bombs/the lantern to destroy literally random tiles that have no indication they're destructible at all, much less there's something under them.I have no idea how the franchise got this popular when that was the first experience anyone playing it could ever get.
>>740811607heres why1. youre a faggot2. fuck you3. unrape yourself4. lose weight5. they had the time to play 1 game for months unlike kids today
>>740812052>they had the time to play 1 game for months unlike kids todayI attribute mario then to ending the video game crash because Zelda 1 is just unplayable for me. I'm not going to go around trying to bomb/burn every single tree in the game to find where I need to go. That's just absurd game design.
>>740811607The Legend of Zelda was released in 1987, when everybody had exactly the following six games:Super Mario Bros.MetroidKid IcarusRad RacerDuck HuntThe Legend of ZeldaWe burned every bush and bombed every wall in Zelda, and we loved it! Well, mostly because we had nothing else to play... other than maybe a rented copy of Kung Fu from the local video store.
>>740809647My top 10 would probably be 1. Legend of Zelda2. Super Mario Bros3. Jackal4. Mega Man 45. Contra6. Castlevania 37. Super C8. Mega Man 39. Kirby's Adventure10. Castlevania 1Honorable mentions:Zelda 2Mitsume Ga TooruMega Man 1Mega Man 2Life ForceGradius Gradius 2Super Mario Bros 2JSuper Mario Bros 3Punch OutBattletoadsNinja Gaiden Rescue Rangers
>>740811607You treat it like an immersive puzzle akin to La Mulana...you still had a blast in the first dungeon, that's cool. A week later, you find that 'oh, i had to bomb that room..' and go on. It's still the first and they'd expand those things in alttp for example. smb is more focused and aged strongly but this and your rpg like FF1 fills a niche of "having an adventure and it lasts a longer time".
>>740812940>castlevania>gradiusyoure one of the good ones
>>740813590I fucking hated La Mulana so I guess that checks out. Accidentally activated hard mode and then looked up where to go, got the axe, then just quit because I wasn't having an iota of fun.Zelda 1 really needs a proper remake.
>>740805620It has plenty of problems but yes it's an excellent game.>>740806116>original hardware (MiSTer FPGA)You emulated it.>>740806423>Guardian Legend,lol that game blows.Tedious shmup sections and the top down bits are just plain crap. There's like no design put into that game. The levels are just garbage.
>>740806423>CrystalisThat game is ok but it came out like 5 years after zelda. It's real easy to piggy back off the success that other people create.But to actually create zelda, in 1986, when nothing existed like that yet, took real skill and innovation.
>>740812940You will beat Contra 3You will do it on hard and with no deathsYou will realize it's the best game ever made
>>740816398Zoroark can't even learn Hypnosis.
>>740805620It was an extremely good game when there was nothing quite like it yet, especially for console fags in the 80s. Especially in the context of not being exposed to PC games yet.But by today's standards it's not an amazing game. It's very good, very playable and actually fun to unravel in 2026 still. But unlike Ocarina of Time it isn't also a "masterpiece". It doesn't have the same feeling it leaves you with. And the same is true of what was said at the time. Zelda was a new brand. And it was everyone's favorite thing that showed what you can do with large worlds. ALttP showed you the power of the SNES and basically what a "next gen" version of the same overall game would be like. Ocarina of Time showed people that games can have a lot of the qualities of Zelda and simultaneously feel really important, emotionally. The original game's whimsy and ALttP's tryhard "medieval fantasy" lore was replaced with lyrical, monomythic dramaturgia, and Koji Kondo giving his all with the OST throughout the game, and everything feeling truly alive in 3D with environments that are high to the ceiling, atmosphere and darkness that makes it feel like you're going through an ordeal. The brightness matching the darkness in OoT and its musicality along with the ebbs and flows of its campaign makes it feel like you've come out "changed" on the other side, and that blew people away at the time, and it still feels pretty special today.There were some who didn't like the change from TLOZ to ALttP. And some who didn't like the change from ALttP to OoT. But it's hard to get anything out of Zelda 1 in 2026 other than "I guess this was really novel in 1986."
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>>740816921I don't think about Startropics at all.Play better video games, faggot.
>>740811607>>740812697Its also worth mentioning that we had >Friends playing the same games at the school yard you could talk to about X, if they were cool and you didn't have to hide your power level (not so much a thing during the NES era, but later ones)>Nintendo Power magazine subscriptions >Gamebooks and guides and if we REALLY got stuck and our parents were feeling charitable>Call the Nintendo Game Counselor Helpline Where you'd call in and ask your question, PAYING BY THE MINUTE LIKE IT WAS GODDAMN PHONE SEX but they'd figure out the answer and tell you exactly what the fuck to do. They also seemed to respect that players were paying on their phonebill and didn't dick around, having quick solutions for almost everything that wasn't really, really fucking obscure. I'll never forget the time I called in with a fucking Famicom import question, they didn't have any of the stuff in their binders or play the game themselves, so after I was on the phone for a couple minutes the guy actually gave me an alternate, non-toll number to call and spent awhile figuring out the answer including ostensibly calling a Japanese guy they knew to ask him.So yeah, we did try all kinds of shit, but we also had other resources and I can't overstate how common it was to have Nintendo Power or another game guide if you were into gaming. That was all aside from the very few us of that had the Internet too, but that's a different discussion.
>>740816398Contra 3 isn't an NES game, nor is it as good as the NES Contras. I did clear it deathless and didn't enjoy it at all, only normal, but hard would have been even more of a miserable slog.
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>>740818048That's weird, I still don't see it on your channel even though you said you were going to upload it 5 days ago>only normal, but hard would have been even more of a miserable slogNormal is a completely different game and it's garbage, the game was designed to be played on hardI'm not even trying to waste your time, the only person you're hurting by not beating hard is yourself
>>740818048whats your opinion on the mysterious murasame castle, kid icarus, and metroid?
>>740805620Zelda 1 isn't that great. It's not unplayable, though.But again, it's the typical "game overrated because it was on the Nintendo console" phenomenon.Zelda is kind of a mix of RPG and action. But the Famicom wasn't really capable of delivering anything decent in either of those areas. By 1986, arcades already had games like Outrun, which seems two generations ahead. PCs at the time had much more complex RPGs and adventure games. Fucking Ultima 4, which has mechanics that are sophisticated even by the standards of modern brain-dead RPGs, was released in 1985.Would Zelda 1 still be played today if it weren't for the franchise's name? Probably, but it would be pretty obscure.
>>740805620Its the best Zelda til this day lmao.
>>740818953>complex RPGs and adventure gameszelda was made specifically to AVOID complicated rpg systems. its the way it is because they DIDNT want to make another menu laden rpg
>>740818860Never played them. I've beat Zero Mission, Fusion, and Super Metroid and thought they were decent (Super >> Fusion > ZM) but don't think they're masterpieces or anything, but I'm just not really a fan of search action games in general. >>740818709I've played Hard, I just didn't clear it deathless. And no, the game sucks even harder on Hard lmao. I never said I was going to upload anything.
>>740805620>>740818953I kinda hear these arguments- that it's glazed because Pac-land was made before and such. My impression is that this is true but SMB is a very polished game. I'll just say that it wasn't made in a vacuum since it's part of a fantasy zeitgeist starting from the pc-98 that then produced Hydlide/Dragon Quest. Hydlide is very close-how close? I can't say. U4, even Hydlide, these games need you to consult the manual to figure the controls. It's odd by today's standards. U6 is where it gets a step-up in UI. rogue is from that date. Later you had Golden Axe Warriors and Arkista's Rings as follow-ups that play really well. There's a sort of split where Zelda is an action-RPG without exp/leveling unlike Dragon Quest.
>>740806423>legacy of the wizardNo. Fucking NO. Don't just throw out names expecting other oldfags won't call your ass out.
>>740816921I was so proud of my 10 years old brain when I figured out that you have to wet the letter that came with the game to find the correct frequency.
>>740805620It remains the best game in the series, followed by MM and OoT.
The gold cartridge was mesmerizing and the game was actually really good for the time.
>>740805620I played it last summer and had a lot of fun.Ended looking up where two heart containers were and I think those were on the bullshit side. Also dungeon 5 or 6 was annoying because on death I had to go out and heal instead of spawning fully healed and I died a lot. Rest was great.
>>740807049You need a hobby. Copy pasting this shit on every Zelda thread. You probably made this thread to copy paste this.
>>7408216876. 6 had the blue wizzrobes and the blue wizzrobes are gay with aids
>>740805620Good for its time but incredibly dated. Basically requires autism to play.
>>740822456this fucking room
>>740824650>have to dodge the wizzrobes, which teleport and shoot in your direction>red wizzrobes surround you>dykekikes eat your shield>bubbles zip zap everywhere and disable your swordthat was a bad time
>>740821212>used copy>no manual>brute forced the damn code out of sheer stubbornness
>>740820918Legacy of the Wizard is a great game.
>>740824650you can just bomb them
>>740805620Zelda doesn't get good until Ocarina of Time.
>>740825601they MOVE nigga>i used to bulls-eye wizzrobes with my bombs on koridaifuck you
Metroid NES (trying to forget about the 30hp respawn) is a better gameIt’s more sensible about item usage and direction
>>740825686ALttP is a very nice game, but I mostly agree. It was good, but it wasn't something EXTRAORDINARY until OoT. Everything became perfect with OoT.
You should all play Final Fantasy Adventure (which is the first Mana title).
>>740827246Silence OoTbabby>ALttP: timeless 2D artstyle that aged like wine>OoT: ugly early 3D abomination with muddy textures>ALttP: smooth, tight, precise, responsive 60fps>OoT: runs at 15fps, extremely sluggish and laggy>ALttP: dense overworld full of secrets>OoT: empty overworld full of wasted space just to hold stick forward through>ALttP: can see entire room at a glance so puzzles require unique ways of interacting with the environment and thinking outside the box>OoT: entering first person and looking at a wall is considered a """puzzle""">ALttP: starts you right in the action, can approach dungeons in your own order at your own pace with little bogging you down.>OoT: constant cutscenes, constant exposition dumps, game treats you like a retard with tutorial every two minutes>ALttP: combat is fast-paced and challenging with a huge variety of enemies. Spacing and positioning are important>OoT: Z-targeting removes any challenge of spacing and positioning and makes the combat just a glorified rhythm game. Every combat encounter just involves circling around the enemy, waiting for them to be open to attack, and repeat. It's just a boring, drawn-out slog>ALttP: dungeons are complex and labyrinthine and require you to create a mental map and learn how rooms are connected>OoT: dungeons are largely linear on-rails where you just solve the """puzzle""" by entering first person and looking around the room or jumping on some platforms>ALttP: dungeons are dynamic and fast-paced with combat, hazards, and puzzles all intrinsically linked in the same area>OoT: Simon-Says tier dungeons segmented into designated 'combat area' and 'puzzle area' with little overlap between the two>ALttP: bosses are challenging and memorable requiring unique methods to dispatch them that you must figure out>OoT: booses are pushovers that are just a glorified tutorial for the item you conveniently just found in that dungeon
>>740827420i got a zelda romhack for it. its NOT zelda, but whatever
>>740826332You're crazy. Zelda 1 tells you hints to find things, Metroid 1 tells you to get fucked. It won't even tell you where you are, let alone where you need to be. It's great but just arbitrarily cruel compared to the original Zelda
It wasn't a brand name when it came out, Zelda was a completely new brand at the time. It was widely regarded as one of the best games of its generation and it's the game that established Zelda as a brand name in the first place.
>>740805620It's pretty solid, but it's filled with the typical open world problems several generations before open worlds got popular. The dungeons themselves are cool, but the world map's exploration is mostly recycled assets riddled with shitty mobs and minor rewards (or punishments)>>740805620
>>740805620it’s good if you have a walkthrough. a player expected to burn random bushes down with the candle isn’t even the most obscure necessary part of OG zelda>>740807809zelda 2 is goated except for the esoteric padding
>>740828597thats something i wish they had improved. they accidentally used only half the space, and instead of then fleshing the game out, they just did a randomizer to fill up the other half. zelda wouldve been twice as full of content had they done that.like they didnt even use the space to make new npcs and then diversify the ones in the first quest. they just left the game ALONE and used the space for a randomized game
>>740812940Dunno how you can play mitsume ga tooru and then still have mega man in your list.MGT is better than all the mega man NES games combined.
>>740827420I really liked this game but I psuedo-softlocked myself by running out of pickaxes/keys in a dungeon then leaving. Apparently memory limitations keep the game from saving which walls and doors you've used those items on after you've backtracked out if you're depleted, so you're kind of fucked unless you're willing to money grind and buy a bulk sum of them from shops. I wasn't about to do that though. And it sucks, I was having a great time, best Zelda 1-like that wasn't just Zelda 1 I ever played.
