If you dont actually own the game and your license can be taken away at any time, why would you pay 70-80$ for something? i fail to see the point. you are paying 80$ for a rental, that can be taken away from you at any time.
>>740817981two more weeks
How many times have you spammed this thread?
Literally known more people that have lost land or houses that they "own" than steam games
>>740817981Ok I'm paying 80$ for a rental that I've had unlimited access to for year(s), share with my steam family library, can open and play on an instant at any time I want, and the downside is? A hypothetical joke getting mad at. Guess there's no point in buying anything because hypothetically it could be stolen, requisitioned by the government, or hit by a natural disaster at any time.
>>740817981why does OP still suck dicks he can't even throat?
ownership of digital goods/services is largely a meme. no one wants to manage a physical library of games and they especially do not want to deal with the consequences of that physicality. it was annoying when you were a child with a console and it's even more annoying nowdigital licenses ultimately give more permanence to any game you buy. you can't lose it to any sort of physical loss (theft, degradation, destruction) its accessible from any point in the world where you can get an internet connection, you can make it accessible on multiple devices simultaneously, it will receive free updates to fix shit like bugs or to support more platforms if you get a new computer / os / whatever, and you don't need to juggle physical media if you want to play an expansion. digital storefronts also let you immediately play the game you purchase rather than having to wait for it to arrive / you going to pick it up and of course you have the entire catalog available at all times, no one runs out of stockpeople are lazy fucks and convenience triumphs all
>>740818160Nothing wrong with discussing video games, PC vegan.
>>740817981"They" really hate that steam is privately owned lol
>>740819209>Private corporation spearheads every negative business practice, even before the public corporationsGrim
>>740817981Yeah imagine buying Kingdom Hearts on the switch lmao
>>740817981I’m a messy, unorganized person, so basically every physical game copy I’ve ever owned was degraded, destroyed, lost or forgotten eventually. You think I can find my old Starsiege Tribes box from 1998?
>>740819003>Steamies will own nothing and be happy about itHow /v/ has fallen
>>740819851It's just EASIER to own nothing bro. God bless greedy corporations for figuring this out for me.
>>740819851you want to maintain a homelab with backups for all your games along with a redundant setup offsite at your cottage? too much work for me
>>740819851You didn't engage with my point at all, just complained about something irrelevant. Average anti steam retard
>>740820249You never had an option now, did you?
>>740817981because everyone will die one day anyway
Imagine caring about "ownership" of something that gets you 3 hours of entertainment at the most.
>>740821187This. It is all meaningless. Transient life, transient games, it is fine.
>>740819164>PC vegan.
>>740817981have you looked at the back of a ps5 box lately?>purchase of this softweare amounts to a license
>>740821139you could do that with your CD games, you can do that with GOG games. no one did or does
>>740817981Why do you shill for Jews when they hate you and consider you to be a slave?
you hardly see pre-order marketing these days though, compare to ~10 years ago, every game had some tacky exclusive content locked behind a pre-order paywall
>/v/ when people just want to play video games instead of obsessively collect plastic
>I just want to own nothing and be happy
>>740817981Name a SINGLE store without this shit in its TOS. And no, GOG doesn't count, read what it actually says at checkout.
>>740819851>buying from PS store, Nintendie EShop, or Xbox Store is any differentISHYGDDT
>>740821860Why wouldn't gog count?
>>740821697Have you ever played a video game?
>>740822149All the time.
>>740822036Because it literally has it in its TOS.>but they can't take it away from me!Steam can't take away what I've Goldberged.
>>740822230No... no no no no NONO NO NO NO!!!! GOG XIXTERS, EMERGENCY MEETING IN THE TRANSCORD, NOW.
>>740822230Yes but the thing was said that name store that doesn't have that and gog doesn't count. Why does not that count? I do not understand
>>740822497I just explained why.>name something without this in its TOS>GOG doesn't count, because it has it in its TOSThese faggots like to act like the GOG TOS doesn't exist.
>>740822558So y'ure different anon? Sorry.
>>740817981Any day now Steam is gonna take em away
>>740817981that's true of buying all games on all platforms though. they're all just licenses that can be taken from youif you want to avoid this problem the only solution is piracy. or actually buying the IP, usually means buying the whole company. most companies aren't even for sale and you'll need billions for publicly listed companies, so that's not likely
>>740821187sex
>>740824001You could buy Ubisoft for less than the price of a 12 pack of AMERICAN DEW.
>>740817981This same shit is used on gog. Downloading the installer is only ownership in action. They'll still ban you and your payment lol
>>740817981I own my games. And I keep backups on external SSD's.
>>740817981because people pay for experiences.same reason people pay for traveling or to see movies.yea you could have a giant hoard of games on your shelf but you could also be stabbed by a jew-imported nigger tomorrow too.that shelf will be meaningless then
>>740817981EULAs are ineffective. They're full of onerous shit that no sane judge would accept. If corpos are so willing to take away your rights, they should require a physical signature witnessed by a notary before you get the game
>>740824654>people pay for experiencessoftware is not an experience you kike worshipper. also>comparing goods (software) to services (travel, movie screening)you should be hanged
>>740817981The legal framework for software ownership as something distinct from software licensing doesn't exist, this is just an empty talking point meant to spread anti corporate attitudes
>>740824781>a game u play and enjoy is now not an experience>kike worshipperlol. lmao even
>>740819132this nigga does not know about DRM free digital ownership
>>740817981Loss of physical games is a greater security and safety concern than loss of digital games which are pretty much impossible to lose unless you play online games inhabited by trannies. As if Switch 2 isn't expensive enough, nothing like bringing 50 games with you to lose.
>>740819132I disagree, PC vegan.
>>740825151DRM is irrelevant to everything I said
>>740821697Being happy sounds like a good deal to me.
>>740825350licenses expire; drm-free ownership means i can still play it if the company vanishes.
>>740817981>a purchase of a digital productYou are purchasing a product>grants a licence for the productThe product and the licence are two distinct thingsAccording to existing laws, I own my games
>>740825575You can't own digital games
>>740825556waiting to hear how that's relevant
>>740825650You can't call a lease a purchase
>>740825678...you speak of convenience. digital ownership and buying a digital license are both immediately convenient, but digital ownership gives you continued access once the storefront's servers go down. once the license stops, the DRM is still there. so your arguments do not defend steam's license bullshit and are better served with drm-free digital ownership ala GOG.no further replies will be made. any further confusion should be remedied by rereading.
>>740817981Because realistically it's the same as owning.Steam isn't just going to go away so you aren't going to lose your games. If DRM bothers you use GOG. Here's your (you) op.>>740819851Use GOG then. For all this talk about how evil and bad Steam is and "oh no they're going to take away my games" you should use the platform that doesn't have the DRM. You're still buying a key though like all digital platforms, just one without DRM. Nothing is stopping any digital platform from removing a game after all.Hell if Steam gives you this much of a meltdown buy physical games.
>>740817981Such is the cost of better games by every measurable metric
You're paying for a license and a service attached with the license. The service includes certain benefits>>740822036Because while GoG can't take away what's already on your computer they can certainly revoke your licenses and remove the games from your account, just like steam and any other download provider. On top of that, while the game installer is DRM-free and you're allowed to make backups for personal use, the license doesn't give you true legal ownership. You can't legally sell or redistribute that DRM-free copy.
>>740825979You can call any monetary transaction a purchase, dubmfuck.
>>740817981I can't answer for anyone who buys $70 games off of Steam because I don't do it. I only buy a game if it's on deep discount. Every game I have that I've played more than 500 hours in cost $10 or less except Rocket League which was gifted to me by a friend.
>>740825650You can't call them products if that's the case
>>740817981Buy an ad, Timmy.
It's more likely that your house catches on fire and burns down with all your physical game shelves than a game on Steam becomes unavailable to you. It hasn't happened to me since I made my first account to play Half LIfe 2 in 2003.
>>740817981>why would you pay 70-80$1. Dollar sign comes before the number. 2. I don't. I haven't paid more than $10 for a game in ages. Even your own image shows $14.99, dipshit, so maybe find another one if you think that pretending all game purchases are ≥$70 enhances your argument.
>>740826495Take it up with Steam
>>740817981Valve hasn't violated the social contract yet. It's as simple as that. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo have all shut down games/services hosting games/storefronts so console players are beasts that walk on two legs and can be slaughtered for food and pleasure, but the only times Valve has outright removed games from libraries are if they're compromised with malware
Shouldn't we be complaining about developers and publishers for not offering physical or DRM free versions?
>>740817981You know, real state is just renting
physical copies also degradeand I don't want to have to manage a plastic collection
>>740826594I will when they steal my games in two more weeks
>>740826538The Crew.
>>740826669The Crew.
>>740826690I think anon would remember if he bought The Crew
>>740826071since you don't know, steam sells DRM free games. if a developer so chooses they can omit all forms of DRM and the DL'd game can then be freely copied to any directory and PC of your choosing, same as a gog game so if you want to blame someone, blame the developerregardless, everything is risk management, what is the chance steams servers go down permanently vs me losing my personal backup of a game or hardware / software changing such that the game can no loner run (you neglected to touch on receiving updates to your completely isolated copy of the game). even if no one is directly making that calculation you innately know that steam is not going down in your lifetime and that you're more likely to suffer some event rendering your copy of the game unusable.most GBA cartridges have had their batteries fail at this point, but you know I have games on steam that are older than some of those cartridges and I can still access them from wherever I want whenever I want and they still work, and I didn't have to do anything for that
>>740817981>Buy game Cd, it actually has a code to allow you to download the game, studio server closes/console generation loses online store support, the game you paid for is lost forever just like with digital ownershipKek.
>>740826775>Steam can't do that>okay they can but that instance didn't personally affect me
>>740826690>>740826761SKGtrannies lost
>>740826761Didn't buy it
>>740827352>>740827072
>>740827394I suffered no damages. I literally have no standing to even submit a case. What do you want me to do?
>>740826690>>740826761the crew is still available to you on steam, the servers the game requires to be played are not. if you had a local copy of the crew you would be just as unable to play it. if you require the crew to not depend on servers then you have some single player car game and not the mmo the game was which defeats the purpose of the argument
>>740817981Simple, it gives money to developers who you think deserve it for making a good game. As a bonus, you can play it if you ever feel like it...
>>740826071>digital ownershipIf you can't sell it you don't own it
>>740827579That's still steams falt
>>740817981I grew up renting games from Blockbuster. This is nothing.
>>740827663>own fancy gun>it becomes illegal to sell (including personal sales) but existing owners are grandfathered in to keep itdo I not own my gun anymore?
>>740821697>I just want to hoard plastic and cardboard
>>740827784>>it becomes illegal to sell (including personal sales) but existing owners are grandfathered in to keep itFucking bullshit.
>>740826690that's not an issue with Steam, it's an issue with the game dev shutting down its servers completely separate from Steamretard
>>740828040>n-n-no that doesn't countconcession accepted
>>740828040you clearly haven't seen the sort of shit the government pulls huh
>>740827945No I want to own games. Games happen to be made of plastic and housed in cardboard. If I wanted just plastic and just cardboard I could buy that wholesale for a hell of a lot cheaper, PC vegan.
>>740828091Yes you fairytale doesn't count. Sorry.
>>740828134I'll bite. What "sort of shit" does the government pull regarding that specific theoretical story.
>>740827579I wish I had some single player car game. I pretty much ignored the multiplayer aspect
>>740828318>theoreticalthis literally happened with machineguns
>>740828203>>740828318Looks like we got ourselves some foreigners here, boys. Time to give them some American semen rations>Unzips
>>740828496I don't believe you. Sorry.
As if physical games aren't just a code to download said game in a plastic case nowadays
>>740828138>Games happen to be made of plasticNo, they're made of code, retard. And you're completely incapable of altering that code without getting bitchslapped by daddy Nintendo/Sony, so how can you say you actually own the game?
>>740818582This. Nothing is permanent at all. Relying on Valve to remain on the course they've been on for over 20 years now, which is providing servers that are always available (outside of the maintenance and rare connection issues) with all the game data that I've bought over the years is infinitely more reliable than the physical games I've had ACTUALLY stolen from me, or have become damaged due to natural disasters, or simply lost.
>>740817981you own the games you buy on steam, the drm is so pathetic that Valve is basically nudging you, encouraging you to bypass it
>>740826761>>740826690That has nothing to do with Steam. The game required servers that were not run by Valve.
Two more weeks until gaben rug pulls everyone
>>740828763>No, they're made of code, retard. And plastic. I'm only interested in owning the media and not the IP so I don't care about owning the code. >you're completely incapable of altering that code without getting bitchslapped by daddy Nintendo/Sony, so how can you say you actually own the game?Because you can own commercial goods even if EULAs say your warranty expires when you tamper with the insides of a device. You still own them. It's very simple. Good question.
why is a buttblasted tendie constantly remaking the same thread over and over?your delusional belief in ownership hinges entirely on nintendo not raping you despite being capable of doing so
>>740830919This must he a awfully hard topic for you. Not only is it a valid criticism against Valve the corporation you worship, but its also valid praise for Nintendo, a corporation you loathe. That's a massive double whammy for you. No wonder you constantly beg for these threads to be removed, PC vegan.
>>740831364i have more control over my steam games than you do over your tendie plasticyou don't own them, all you can do is sell the plastic in exchange for being a complete goyslave that's completely cucked by console drm
>>740831512>>740830919You are expecting way too much of this poor autist. As someone who owns about 100 physical games from over the decades, i still prefer digital without drm. Modding and being able to play games on new hardware (without needing to rebuy the games) is just more important than muh resell value.
>>740830919Its a snoy unfortunatelyLike a week ago he fucked up and got reverse searched to his twitter where every one of the spammed OP images originated from.
>>740831512>i have more control over my steam games than you do over your tendie plasticNice, I also have more control over my steam games than I do over my plastic games. Thanks for the reminder. >you don't own them, all you can do is sell the plastic in exchange for being a complete goyslave that's completely cucked by console drmFalse, I own them.
>>740817981Most of us arent brown and dont need to make up new definitions for things to justify stealing.
>>740831732the retard unironically tried to claim being an idort based on having a shitty business laptop too
>>740832071>snoy>hates linux>claims to be idort on a dell laptopSo OP is indian?
>>740817981because the occasional full price game isn't that much money, and it's not worth the hassle and frustration to try to pirate it.if i was still a broke college kid? yeah definitely pirating anything and everything.
>>740832071I'm sorry that bothers you. Shoud l have built a rainbow colored fag rig to play console ports?
>>740832171widdwe gay boy wants attention?
>>740832310You're the one obsessed with me
>>740817981Because only consoles are that cucked. It literally doesn't matter on PC. Steam is for convenience and Valve and GOG do good work.
>>740832426widdwe boy needs to make his wituwaw thwead again?
>>740818160It's a rectally ragnaroked tendie who knows Nintendo is fleecing him with $80 revocable licenses and he also no longer even owns the console itself and so is desperate to deflect.
>>740832539I didn't make this thread but I will definitely consider making more threads on this topic since I know PC vegans can't handle criticism.
>>740832790>pc veganstill not sure what the fuck that is supposed to even mean?like do you not own a PC? do you do everything by phone and a playstation or something? how do you survive?
I will play games for free, and I have no care for owning plastic or spending money on Steam.
>>740832790>criticism is when i talk like a redditor because i can't handle the rape my daddy corpo dispenses upon meyour plastic won't save you, you're getting the shittiest versions of games and you slurp it up because you're retarded enough to believe that plastic is equivalent to stocks
>>740832865It's just a word dude, relax.
>>740833024I disagree.
>>740833129see, reddit response that means nothing
>>740833074it's a dumb forced meme, i'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind it is all.
>>740824549>pay for cloud storage of your games>threat of bankruptcy is so high that you have to aggressively hoard the games locally I'd rather just use Steam and have reliable and fast cloud storage.
>>740833175I disagree.>>740833240The reason behind it is I cycled through a dozen or so petnames for PC users and "PC vegan" got by far the most negative responses so I stuck with it. I didn't pick PC vegan, you guys did.
>>740821965>buying from PS, Nintendie or Xbox is any differentftfyPhysical or not doesn't matter and consoles are far, far worse about reasonably being able to play the games you bought once they're past their expiration date
>>740833129I know
>>740833240>memeIt's literally only one perpetually online spamming retard who uses it.
>>740833479i wish your mom could read this post so she knows the extent of loser her son has turned into
>>740817981Wait, Steam has taxes for game purchases? Since when? I bought a game 4 days ago and didn't have taxes applied.
>>740817981This shit is exactly why I had to give up being a PC gamer and become a console one.
>>740833747Depends on where you live. Some places don't, others people elected assholes who made them pay taxes on digital goods.
>>740833720If my mom knew there's a group of balding obese manchildren with back issues who call themselves a Master Race because the built a port box with fag flashing fag colors then she would fully support me endlessly harassing them and probably join in.
>>740833747There might be a few states that don't collect them on Steam, but I pay tax on games in Georgia.Also, if you're non-American, it's usually included in the base price.
>>740833810better not read those console eula/tos lol
>>740833954>manchildren>literally plays toddler games
>>740832552Not a tendie, but I do see the similarities. You either buy digital for the same price as Steam, or you pay a markup on physical. We are in the digital age after all.
>>740833954if your mom knew you got so anally annihilated that you started inventing pet names for your bullies and that you'd spend your free time thinking a corporation is your friend because they gave you plastic she would've aborted you when she had the chance
>>740833993Reading is for PC vegans. I'm just playing Bloodborne at 4k120 while you beg for ports.
>>740834062Sure.>>740834110Sure.
>>740834172>Bloodborne at 4k120Funny that only PC can do that.
>>740833993Consoles have physical games that you own. Not just access to a license on an account you don't own.
>>740817981Do steamies really pay $70 for a digital download that they can't even sell second hand once they have completed the game?
>>740834242redditor, you're supposed to write something in your post
>>74081798110% of my physical PC games from childhood have made it into adulthood in contrast with 95% of my console and handheld games.The form factor for physical PC was always inherently unreliable as shit. Disposable yet premium boxes with install discs that you then hold onto for years unused until the next PC upgrade where you need to bust them out again, also one of the discs might be the play disc so you're likely to separate it from the group
>>740834303I don't see any PC boxes saying this.
>>740834328if i was only thinking about money i'd piratebut i care about the game experience and consoles suck at that with your upscaling from 720p
>>740834315Consoles only have revocable licenses that you don't own.
>>740834349I did, PC vegan. There's two words right there in plain sight.
>>740834328Only poors sell used goods. Even my PC hardware gets smashed before I throw it away so some poor won't benefit from it.
>>740834510False.
>>740834474And it plays Bloobdorne at a silky smooth 1080p 30fps.
>>740817981I buy 100+gb games for less than 10 dollars because it's cheaper than buying storage.
>>740834523two words that only amount to a downvote, redditori'm going to enjoy your plastic slowly ceasing to exist as your console corpos move towards full rape
>>740834713It clearly says 4k120.
>>740834315you have plastic with licenses that can be revoked just the same and since you're a little bitch with no admin control over the hardware there's nothing you can do about it
>>740834570Warren Buffet was one of the richest men in the world and he shopped second hand and sold off unused possessions.
>>740821697Halfway there
>>740834735They already have moved towards full rape. That fag defends GKC. He's an attention starved miserable masochist.
>>740834735Good to know.
>>740834776You got lied to, I'm sorry.
>>740834792Nobody cares about Margaritaville or Cheeseburgers in Paradise.
>>740834783No, only your license can be revoked. I'm a consumer, not a pirate, so I'm safe.
People want the ownership of physical games with the convenience and benefits of digital. But you can not have both. And people chose digital. Every now and then they kick up a fuss but ultimately everybody connects their consoles and PCs to the internet and nobody wants to play "twenny yea ol unc ganes".
>>740834907>i'm a loyal goyslave, they'll never abuse mestay retarded, cattle
>>740834990Sure.
>>740834483The average gaming pc has a gpu that's around or weaker than a ps5 dude.I don't even own a current gen console.
>>740834907Say that to the poor saps who bought cloud games on the switch. That gen has barely ended and the games are already being taken away.
>>740835080ok? why do I care what hardware people play on?the ps5 pro has the equivalent of a $360 GPU and the majority of consolecucks have hardware much weaker than a ps5
>>740834895They do when it directly contradicts your argument that rich people don't bother with secondhand markets though.
>>740835592>so poor he can only imagine that people who aren't poor must be rich
>>740835680You can't punch up and call people poor. It doesn't work like that.
>>740826071it's a license either way. DRM-free does not mean ownership. You bought a license from GOG
>>740819851My steam_api.dll crack and 60TB RAID6 says fuck you for being stupid and preferring plastic discs that will literally rot and cartridges that will irreperably lose their data after three years of being unplugged
>>740835748I have disposable income. I can look down on those who live in favelas and eat rice airdropped by the USMC.
>>740818160For every $1 Timmy sends him twice.
>>740833074>what does that mean?>it's just a word
>>740836206It's just a word, dude. Relax.
I pay for the convenience of steam. I like having cloud saves and being able to click two buttons and start downloading my video game. Physical was annoying, I have no regrets about leaving it behind.I've been using their service for almost 20 years and they haven't screwed me over yet, so I'll continue doing so until they give me reason to abandon them. If one day, something bad happens to steam by going public or changing management or something like that, I'll just pirate for the rest of my life.
>le steam will take your games awayI can play games from 20 years ago on new hardware Consoles artificially segment their libraries and consolecuck corpos want your hardware to die so they can sell rereleases
>>740817981Kike shill thread #six million. As it has been said, despite OPs insinuation that Steam invented games license and by extension steam rents you games, it's simply not true. Software licensing has existed since the 70s and was signed into US law in 79, which means since then every piece of software is licensed. The only difference between a game you buy off of steam and a game cartridge is the physical medium they game is saved on. It has been like this for 40 years, and 20 years before steam even was a thing. Steam is no more capable of removing a game off of your hard drive than a console dev is at taking away your physical copy of the game (unless it's Nintendo). And for the games that do use Valve's DRM, there's a readily available crack for it that doesn't even require downloading the game again. I fucking hate that the same 3 threads get posted every day because some Indian esl is paid to spread shit everywhere because Valve had the audacity to be a private company (antisemitic). At least the Shartifact schizo was funny to have around.
>>740836669>signed into US law in 79As a result of Steam.
>>740819308Yeah I hate having to renew my steam subscription for online play and cloud saves, and steam closing every 7 years so I have to build my game library up again
>>740836669>I can't handle criticism towards Valve, this is too much for meDoubling my efforts now.
>>740836892can't actually respond?
>>740836952no, he's going to throw meaningless reddit filler responses at you because he wants to have the last word in and doesn't care about substance
>>740836759No you don't. You love digital non ownership and all the benefits that come with that fact, such as multi generational crossplay, piracy, hacking, mods, and preservation. It's just a shame you miss out on the only thing that matters: ownership. Everything I just mentioned as a benefit to digital can be accomplished for free by anyone at no cost so nobody is missing out. On the flip side, you're missing out on ownership and will never own your games.
>>740817981>that can be taken away from you at any time.A meteor could fall on your head at any time.
>>740836952I just did.
>>740837046there are zero benefits to physical
>>740817981Stop posting here, timmy
>>740837046I crack all my steam games I care about, I only buy stuff on steam in the first place to support devs I likeI get the best of all worlds
>>740834315maybe you should read what it says right on the outside of the boxif you think you own the game, make copies and sell themsee what happens
>>740837115My Zimbabwean village shares one 2400bps dialup connection, so I appreciate the raw speed of copying from disc.
>>740835680So if a rich person encourages saving money with secondhand markets and you, a poor-adjacent person says to not sell used goods, who should I listen to?
>>740837115Ownership.
>>740837207now translate it into meaningful benefits and not your circular tranny logic
>>740837185I'd go with what DN says over either one.
>>740817981I own the license to the game
>>740826690>>740826761You are a moron and anyone arguing with you is wasting their time
>>740837159Good to know, tranime.>>740837170>I still don't know the difference between owning media versus owning the intellectual property or copyrights of that mediaThen why are you discussing this topic?
>>740837334So you don't own it thenIt isn't yours and you can't do with it whatever you want
>>740837275The meaningful benefit of physical media is ownership. Hope this helps.
>>740837381and how does that benefit you?
>>740837380False. I own it, but I can't replicate it for commercial sale because I don't own the copy rights or IP.
>>740817981One day, God will finally contact us, and his first new Commandment will be "You own what you buy, Yo, peace" and anyone selling a license willingly will burst into flames, God Bless.
>>740837459All sales are limited based on the license printed on the boxJust because they can't enforce it doesn't mean you somehow own the right
>You will own nothing>You will be happyImagine bein a PC cuck in 2026
>>740834570>giving your money away makes you rich>getting your money back makes you poorbabbies first economics
>>740819851they literally just announced anyone who owns the switch cloud versions of the KH collection is fucking losing them permanently. you own nothing nowhere, faggot
>>740837531this but consolesyou're not even able to use an internet browser or a file manager because you don't own the hardware
>>740837412Because my money I used to purchase the game is fully secured in a tangible object that is my property versus the alternative of my money immediately disappears and all I'm given is a license, which I don't even need to play a game to begin with because piracy exists.
>>740837381But what does ownership confer me? Why is it worth enduring an inferior experience?
i use steam for the social features. i need all my girlies to see when i launch a game =w=
Why are people wasting their time arguing with some fat, autistic retard who spends all his time on his PC arguing with people over how much better Nintendo is than PC instead of, IDK, playing his shitty Nintendo games?
>>740837523False. Read the first sale docterine. I own my games.
>>740837581>No uPathetic, go be a WEF gabedrone somewhere else.
>>740817981Money is transient. What else am I gonna do with it? It's easier to get it on steam than it is to pirate, unironically. I just wait for sales worst case.
>>740837624>playing his shitty Nintendo gamesSoitendo games are shit for toddlers, who the fuck is an adult and wanna play them???
>>740837616Nothing. You're a PC vegan so owning your media is sacrilegious to your dogma. Ownership means nothing to to you and provides no benefit.
>>740837583>it's an assetso you're so impoverished you think your copy of tendie poopy diaper is an asset >all I'm given is a license, yes, that's what you get with physical in fact that license is enforced extremely strictly due to how much you've given up by using a console
>>740837649if you owned your console you would be able to post from onebut it's not you who decides how to use that hardware, it's your daddy corpo
>>740837734You can never give a straight answer, probably because nigga you gay.
>>740837553>buying cloud versions of anythingretard tax
>>740819164>PC vegan.Good to know it's another consolefag rage thread needing the filter.
>>740837624he's autistic enough that I wouldn't be surprised if it's just him talking to himself and carrying out his imaginary arguments he has with PC owners in his head all day
>>740837824Ok I'll bite. If ownership doesn't mean nothing to you then give me the correct answer. What does ownership mean to you? I can't read your mind.
>>740837967For video games, nothing. If I have the game in a reliable medium (and Steam is the most reliable), it's good enough. It's not property to invest in. I own my car and my apartment. I own my furniture and appliances. Digital shit is ephemeral, and I don't care if I own it as it's easy to replace for free if I lose it (highly unlikely).
>>740817981So how come you didn't post a screenshot of EGS, console stores, nintendo, etc?
>>740837207Physical game purchases aren't ownership though, you're still only 'licensing' the game and if they could, they would remotely disable your purchase any time they want. Oh wait, they've done that with fuckloads of 'physical' multiplayer games already.
>>740838107>For video games, nothingThen my answer was correct.
Real gamers will pay anything
>>740838201how does "ownership" improve your games at all?
>>740838193>you're still only 'licensing' the gameNah I also have the game in my possession, and it's my property. And if I sold that game to someone else they also get the game and are able to play and enjoy the game, because it's a game, and it's a license.
>>740838259It doesn't. The game ia the same regardless of the format.
>>740838273Pretending you own the game, isn't owning the game. You're just licensing it from them with an indefinite time period. They can, and will, remove it from you lmao.
>>740838329no, it's made worse by the drm associated with physical mediums
>>740837583>Consolefag really thinks that his physical copies aren't beholden to the same retarded, shitty practices of digital that has been put onto physical since the eighth generation.LMAO.
>>740838201But you keep saying I should care about ownership and deal with an inferior experience.>you don't own that hammer, loser!>but I own this turd shaped like a hammer, so I'm better!I know I shouldn't make Indian food analogies, but there you go. What you claim to own is actually worse if you play games. Physical media is slow. I can actually download faster than HDDs can transfer, and even moreso than discs.Keeping up with versioning for hoarded games is gay.I have the ability to find a game I want, click 4 times, and be playing any game I want in under 10 minutes for the largest games.I'm 45. Steam will outlive me. If it DOES go down, I have sources for free games, or I'll be too old to care.There's no reason for anyone in the first world (or Canada) to not be using Steam.
>>740838383Not really no. Maybe a fractional difference in load times if anything.
>>740821697>>740821472Your bot broke OP
>>740838342I disagree.>>740838513Sure.>>740838529>But you keep saying I should care about ownershipNo I don't. I care about ownership. That's what I'm saying. This for some reason bothers you.
>>740838570???I was talking about all the restrictions of consoles you fucking dumbassconsole physical has only survived because it has overbearing drm that puts it miles away from just being unobfuscated files on a disc like on pc
>>740838647>I disagreeNot an argument, your concession is noted.
>>740838647If it only matters to you, why do you keep making threads seething that people use Steam?
>>740836717faggot
>>740834315Right. Physical games that can be revoked anytime and/or barred from starting if you misgender a tranny because you still have to download that content, even singleplayer games. This isn't the ps2 era consolefag
>>740817981i dont, anymorei made over $1k buying and reselling skins on steamfor the last 6 years i have used that money to """buy""" any game i like the look ofi still have 60% of it leftbut the ratio of games i """buy""" has reduced drastically in recent years due to wokeshit, inept development, lack-of-innovation
>>740838647>No I don't. I care about ownership. That's what I'm saying. This for some reason bothers you.this thread is about OP being bothered by people using steam
>>740834315>Consoles have physical games that you own. Not just access to a license on an account you don't own.>Say nigger in a literal murder-simulator game>Console permanently lockedLmao
>>740819209>ai slop posting subhuman hiding under shroud of the righteousWhat you are doing is equivalent to simping for orange man to own the "libs" but we both know you don't care about that, you just want to take the path of least resistance as laid by Valve shills spamming in this board for you.DING DING DINGretarded opinions and slop content has arrived! EAT UP anon
>>740838929aquajeet
>consoletroons buy physical disc>still have to download 5 billion gb to play their game>snoys have to log in to be able to access their gameskek
>>740838970will always be whiter than you (unless you are slav/scan etc)
>>740838970forced meme
>>740838974But at least they 'own' the discs!**that can't be used if their account is disabled, console is locked, or if multiplayer has been shut down
>>740839056It's specifically one guy who avatarfags and defends India constantly.
>>740838741Because it trolls PC vegans. You may ban me now. >>740838913You don't own servers. Servers are services, they're someone elses property and they have control over their property.
>>740839339>You don't own serversI can boot up my original copy of Turok 2: Seeds Of Evil and start a multiplayer session any time I want lmao.Try harder
>>740839339>You don't own servers.i do own servers
>>740839339> Servers are services, they're someone elses property and they have control over their property.So just like your physical, you don't control them and you're not allowed to use them in ways the manufacturer doesn't approve of
>>740839290Someone was so annoyed by this blue based retard they started posting Aqua scat and India memes for over year at a vain attempt at tarnishing her image. Think about that for a minute.
>>740817981nigger cattle mentality doesn't care they just consoom, they love renting shit, but thanks to SKG and Ross things will change rather quickGOG is by definition the superior store, providing you with all benefits Steam has and giving you offline installers your primary digital ownership in case they take away your licenseif not regulated by laws their shit platform would still not provide any warning about "buying", which is in reality renting (they still didn't change buy button to rent button)
>>740826183sure, as long as steam is reliable and providing a great service nobody cares that it's technically just a license. There can always be a rude awakening if it ever gets worse. However I lost all my physical game copies that I ever bought as a kid so...
>>740839630You still don't own your games on GoG, they've stated this repeatedly.
>>740817981>rots your discs in you are path thoughbeit
>>740839384Then stop crying abiut getting banend from your Turok servers>>740839430Then stop getting banned from your own servers>>740839446Nope. I can control whatever I want. All they can do about it is not honor a warranty.
>>740839761>Then stop getting banned from your own servershasn't happened. even then, i would just unban myself
>>740837459They literally tell you they aren't selling you the game, you pay them to grant you a revocable license and are bound by their terms and conditions at all times or they will brick that cart. You are fooled by plastic.If you want to claim Nintendo is lying, take it up with them, see what happens.
>>740839630But what about muh friends list and achievements
>>740817981>why do people choose steam?>steam: you own your games(you get the files)>consoles: you own a limited permission to play license that can't be backed up(no access to the files themselves)The end.
>>740837091Fatso will die of fat in your lifetime. He will take Steam and every account with him.
>>740840347I've survived the death of four PC game storefronts. As always, the answer is more HDDs.
>>740840082That's legal jargon for "we're not selling you the IP, we're selling you licensed media, you can't replicate this and resell it"Every book, game, song, magazing, etc says this.
>>740841797Then why does this thread exist?
>>740817981This has been an ongoing problem ever since the disastrous decision to classify software as something that can be copyrighted in much the same way as literature, companies immediately started saying that you were only buying the license.
>>740839630>providing you with all benefits Steam hasNo sharing. Downloads are slower by a wide margin. Fewer games.Games are usually out of date or missing features. Shittier launcher. Have to hoard my installers because GOG might realistically die in the near future.Sounds so much better. Can I get raped by the strapon from Se7en as well? That'd make it the clear winner!
>>740841849low IQ, lack of education, etc
>>740841797It's legal jargon for "we still own what you paid money for, play by our rules or we'll take it away".Consoles are far worse and far more restrictive about that fact than PC is. On PC it's effectively meaningless. On console it's easily actionable.
>>740842007software is harder to make than literature
>>740839630too bad GOGs game library is very limited
>>740842237Anything it doesn't have is sour anyway.
Reminder, that you don't own the game even if you have the physical disk for it. Only pirated installers can be considered ownership. Download a pirated copy to your NAS every time you buy a game
>>740841849Because it's not that you're buying a license, all media is licensed, the distinction is what type of license your obtain on purchase, whether it is transferable or nontransferable. When someone says you're not buying a game, you're buying a license, and that's why you don't own steam games, thats false. You don't own steam games because the license you bought was non transferable as opposed to transferable. Physical media has a transferable license and is subject to the first sale docterine. Non transferable licenses are not. They're not your property so the media you purchased isn't your property and remains with the host site.GoG lets you make copies of your games according to section 117 of the copy right act, but those are authorised, and not licensed, so also not your property.
>>740817981I buy my game cdkeys on gg.deals and i dont feel bad about it because the devs dont even let me own the game. The exception is GOG, on GOG i buy the games on the official website. But if your game isnt on gog im gonna buy an arbitraged cdkey for at least 50% cheaper than the steam price and u will see evrn less of the proceeds and fuck you
>>740817981I pay the ticket price to get into amusement parks, clubs, shows, whatever. If I want to play the game, I pay the ticket price. Get a job and collect a few beer tickets and you'll understand ya dumb twat
>>740843526Get a real job drm kike
>>740839630oh so these threads are just GOG marketing threads then okay got it
>>740839630>providing you with all benefits Steam hasToday I will remind themhttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zjwUN1mtJdCkgtTDRB2IoFp7PP41fraY-oFNY00fEkI/edit#gid=0
>>740817981I'm paying for the convenience tho.
>>740844121Why does freedom make steamcattle so enraged?
>>740817981the data is on my computer and I can play it offline. I'm not sure why you think that isn't ownership.
>>740844437Why does being in the first world make you seethe like the impotent beta cuck you are?
>>740844506>the data is on my computerNo it's locked to your account on steam's website. It's only on your computer because you made an illegal duplicate which is unlicensed, and therefore not your property. You can't sell it legally, have it appraised or trade it to other steam users. You don't own anything.
>>740844856No idea what youre trying to say but you sound like a burger
>>740844897Imagine playing games. I keep a portfolio of them to trade to other people in my favela. That's why I own a moped and get first pick of the trannies to fuck.
>>740844972Alright
Rothshills thread.
>>740821301Yes and then you sell it and get money you fucking retard. A quick buy, play and sell is the best financial thing you can do.Yes out of the hundreds of games you own, 1 will become rare and worth more, but at the end of the day quick selling is the best wayHow many games do people own on steam that they beat and thought "well that was shit, I will never play this again". Well with physical, you can easily get 40 bucks back for that 60 dollar game.Most fags here have 300+ games. If you only did that for 1/3rd, you'd be looking at 4k in the bank and 2k "lost"
>>740845554I don't know any poor people except on 4chan. Who would I sell a used game to?
>>740845316only a retarded Valve drone would believe this and clearly you weren't around since the orange box days when Valve got shit on from all sidesonly because you watched some Valve victory against their Patent trolls doesn't mean all critic against them is not valid
>>740846094>Steam was lacking 20 years ago, therefore it doesn't matter that they fixed all the issues people had with it in a couple years>Please just use the ESG bro, Steam is so bad broRothshill.
>>740843526good goy
>>740846242>they fixed all the issues!!>don't you dare to criticize Valve you are a mental cripple go back to your youtube videos
Steam is basicly a online casino with their CSGO skins
>>740828863yeah wow, I've had so many physical games stolen from me, it's nuts. I've given up on physical.
>>740846303Steam isn't perfect, but it's the best option that has been gradually getting better. Meanwhile, nobody else wants to put in the effort to fix it. They just want to hire (You) to post on 4chan.
>>740846542s/fix it/fix their stores/
>>740846542taking a 30% cut requires a lot of effortmaintaining a multiple billion dollar yachts takes even more effort but guess what takes the most effort
>>740846809>things that don't affect me>waah, developers pay 30%, but that's the normal rate>waah, people are rich and not supporting meHow does that make Steam as a store bad? Where does that make it a problem for me?
I've been using Steam for over 15 years at this point and not a single game was ever taken from me, so this just isn't a practical concern in any way. Even games which are removed from the store I still have available.
a digital collection of video games is worth more in the grand scheme of things over physical games, those games are going to end up in a landfill while files can be shared forever
>>740847060>didn't answer my question>replies with some faggy answers that lead to nowhere pretending it doesn't le affect him but calls others shills>>things that don't affect meof course they do you faggot rent shit their platform>>waah, developers pay 30%, but that's the normal ratethat's a dedicated Valve shill would claim>>waah, people are rich and not supporting meschizoid moment I could mention 100 other fhings bad about Steam. You sound and are a dedicated shit faced Valve drone, so neck deep in shit, you wouldn't comprehend the idea of having consumer rights or anything close to it.
>>740847425I'd bet money the things you'd mention apply to Valve games, which only slavs play. Since I'm white, they don't apply to me.
>>740817981Because the chance that Valve actually takes my license is exceedingly tiny, and won't even stop me from playing the game if I back it up beforehand. Or I can also just pirate it afterwards. The features Steam offers are worth paying for.
>>740821332thread should've ended here
>>740837046How do I not own my digital games? They're just files on my PC I have full control over.>>740837207How do you own your physical games? They rely on a proprietary console you don't control to even launch. Without that, they're paperweights.
>taking away your license to a digital gamethis never happened, even when a game is delisted you still have access to it in your library and can download and install itthe only major advantage physical has over digital is the ability to resell which should not matter to you unless you were a poorfag so good job owning yourself
>>740847532You'd lose all your money. It's not about you either. You are irrelevant dogshit.
>>740817981I can still download and play x thing that's not on the store self in steam or physical.
>If you dont actually own the game and your license can be taken away at any timeI love how you say this shit all the time but it just doesn't happen.>B-BUT GAMES REMOVED FROM STEAM-How is that different from games being pulled from shelves IRL? If you bought the game on Steam before it got removed it's still yours and you can play it all you want. Or you can just buy a key from another site.
>>740817981>Buying Steam games at full price
>>740848005Not buying games at full price is theft.
>>740837207Physical was never "ownership", especially on PC. PC games in the 2000's were always bundled with malware designed to treat you like a thief.>B-BUT SELLING GAMES!!!Why the FUCK would I ever want to sell my games?
>>74084809830% taxes would be seen as theft by founding fathers. So I just choose to not pay full price, half-price is okay so the taxes are only 15% of the maximum possible taxes too.
>>740848005>buyingSteam user agreement says you don't own anything lil bro
>>740848171>agree to pay fee>fee is collected>it's theftAre you fucking stupid? Don't answer. It was rhetorical. I know you're fucking stupid.
>>740848219Yes I'm renting a license and helping fund a guy's yacht collection... He also hires genuine talent... I think GabeN's good and deserves the money. He's fighting every possible battle and not letting the enemy have a free lunch on top with lawsuits he faces. Based and redpilled.
>>740828863I had a basement flood and lost my re4 and timesplitters 2 xbox. I decided then that nothing is forever and things outside of your control will do what they do. I care not what op thinks.
>>740848219Steam user agreement says that you're buying a digital licence. If you actually bothered reading licences for le physical games from the 2000's you'd realize that they're also about le owning nothing.
>>740837810>why you dont use this dedicated videogame hardware to post on the internet?Because i use it to play videogames?
>>740817981>Why do people still buy games they dont even ownyou don't even own games over at GOG anyways
>>740827784Not legally
>>740848431Wrong. Nobody is taking away your physical copy. You own it. On Steam you don't own fuck all something a little Steam fanboy like you should know about.
>>740817981I have two shelves full of physical copies of games that have just been collecting dust for a decade or so.I haven't touched any of them again, and I probably never will, because there are more new games that I'd like to check out releasing than I have time to spend on them.I will also not be able to sell these to anyone because Steam runs another 80% discount for their Remaster about once a quarter.In theory I agree with you, in practice it is meaningless.
>>740848286k but you rent those games and Steam User Agreement says you don't own anything
>>740848219Buying a license is still a purchase. How retarded are you?
>the only purpose the underage OP even made this thread is to endlessly spam the same term he thinks is oh so clever in the hopes that it will eventually catch onkek
>>740848471What do you mean
>>740848526Nobody is taking away my Steam games and Gaben knows that I paid for them legally.Physical games were designed to always treat you like a thief and guess what? It WAS possible to take away your physical game. Corpos ACTUALLY used "copy protection" with limited licence activation and if your heccin wholesome physical game detected that you installed it too many times? That game was straight up bricked. Lmao.
>>740848526Nobody is taking away my Steam copy. I own it.
>>740848526Everyone already knows that it's a digital license that could become worthless if Steam went down, only Steam haters like you pretend that people don't know that. Legally all software is licensed, and you'd have to be retarded to claim otherwise. Just because they don't come to your home to snap your CD in half doesn't change that simple, legal fact.
>YOU DON'T OWN THE GAMEI don't wanna own a game, I wanna play it. You don't own movie when you go to a theatre either. You're not those fags with a huge dvd/blu ray collection of movies you've only watched once, right?
>>740827784No. You have been given permission to keep it and use it, but you don't own it because you cannot sell it and the government can legally take it away for whatever reason. You only have it in your possession because they have allowed it, not because you own it. They have effectively taken away your gun in all but name.
>>740848632>Nobody is taking away my Steam gameswrong any publisher can remove their gayme from Steam taking away your license at any moment and it happened>everything else you saidcringe attempt at DRM, you can't even play your little rented games without being logged into Steamso when Steam Servers go down all your shitty games go down with it aswell
>>740848654>Nobody is taking away my Steam copy. I own itKek. Wrong.
>>740848815>NOOOOO NOOOOOO THEY WILL TAKE YOUR GAAAAAAMEEEEEESOkay, tell me when that will actually happen.>heh*snort* when Steam goes down your games will be FINISHED!!!Steam DRM is notoriously light and easy to crack, if Steam ever actually ends up in danger I will just download all my games onto a portable drive and crack them
>>740839710>you don't own the game!>even though you get a no-strings attached installer that works on its own whenever and no one can take it away from you even if you get bannedretard
>>740848890>Okay, tell me when that will actually happen.Gabens death, new CEO, private to public corpo transformation, Gaben decides to shut down Server, Publisher decides to remove game like Ubisoft did, Devs reads a bad review and removes game, already happened and will happen in the future>Steam DRM is notoriously light and easy to crack, if Steam ever actually ends up in danger I will just download all my games onto a portable drive and crack themthat's against the Steam User Agrrement: you don't own anything and you have zero right to download or crack anything when shit hits the fan#tl;dr summary for you: You don't own anything on Steam
>>740848875Really? When will my games be taken?
>>740849005>he thinks the problem are public corporationschinkpic is private and it's still 100% shit moron.
it's always been a license and always will be
>>740825151GoG sells revokable licenses>I already downloaded itNot the point
The main issue with steam is thanks to the DRM and account requirement to run a game they can always become the next EA and start banning accounts left and right for saying words or channel Nintendo and nuke libraries for pirating a game
>>740849210very anti-semitic post, please do better next time
>>740849272>starts Steam>everyone hates it>builds up good will for 23 years>will burn all that up for...?
>>740849138uhhh when Gabe croaks they'll RUSH to ruin the free money printing machine they barely have to do anything to keep running because... they just will, okay!?
Just pirate them if you like it's fine. I enjoy buying games on sale and small indies.
>>740817981>Why do people still buy games they dont even ownWell, Steam users aren't exactly known for being very smart.
>>740850268short-term profitremember, the big hata hippo hasn't designated any successors who will steer steam in a pro-consumer course
>>740850885>I sit in on Valve private meetingsAre you the same guy that claims Valve has a co-CEO based on some dipshit's LinkedIn profile?
>>740850929>he didn't refute itgreat, so it's a fact. the moment the fat ball of lard kicks the bucket, steam will go from being garbage to worse than EA
>>740851070You're speaking as if you know things you don't. Gabe Newell doesn't take a dump without a plan.
>>740851139>trust the plan!and you call Nintendo fans cultists
>retards pay for "licenses">anyone with a brain just downloads the actual game for freeDigital ownership is literally just an IQ issue. I own all my games.
>>740851165>nintendo does nothing but market underpowered hardware even for consoles to toddlers and manbabies>games are targeted at toddlers and manbabies>manbabies who rape toddlers post about how much they love games for toddlers and manbabiesYes, you're a cult. The only misstep I can think of in recent memory is the shit with the tagging (that's annoying, but not awful beyond compare, because I generally know what I want). Nintendo has told me to fuck off because I'm not the intended audience for 6 console generations.
>>740851279*The only Valve misstep
>>740851279>changes the topicenjoy getting fucked in the ass when valve turns into EA 2.0
>>740817981I don't live in a third world country so I do actually own the games I buy.
>>740851492I don't know where to kick the fucking ball because you've got the goalposts in the locker room, you faggot.You're spreading FUD based on your intimate knowledge of what's going on at Valve, and 2 more weeksism.
>>740851540>I don't like it therefore it's FUD! valve won't enshittify its service like amazon, google, apple, microsoft, netflix, facebook, twitter, etc. trust the plan!cultist
>>740851671Where's your source? You have no evidence, but are SO FUCKING MAD AT VALVE BECAUSE RICH PEOPLE EXIST HOLY SHIT WHY WON'T THEY FEED YOUR FAVELA.Show evidence, or die of a machete attack in your village.
>>740817981why do europoors suddenly care about licenses? don't they already require a loicense for just about literally everything?
>>740851790I think that's just bongistanpoors. They need TV licenses, beans on toast licenses, and more. They have vans to detect unlicensed shit.
>>740851492I buy games, I play through them, I never touch them again. Even if Steam turned to shit tomorrow is be at most out of 30 bucks for the game I’m currently playing. And it‘s just extremely unlikely it’ll happen in one go and not gradual so I will have tons of time to disembark.
