HAHAHAHAHAHALET'S PUT A BUNCH OF LASER SHOOTING FAGGOTS IN OUR DUNGEONLET'S TURN IT INTO A BULLET HELLAND ADD EXPLODING ROCKS EVERYWHERETHIS IS SO FUN
>>740856832>15 different buffs>map markers>claymorelaffing
LOLOLOLOLYOU GOT ME AGAINNOW I GET TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE DUNGEON FOR THE 50TH TIMEAWESOME
>>740856832>>740856886Sir your shield? Your block button?????
Why do people ignore shields in these games?
>>740856832>>740856886Is your B button stuck or something? How the fuck can't you time your rolls.
>>740856832bwo where's you're shield?
>>740856832>>740856886>playing some gaynigger mod>a trillion buffs>dying to anal beads
Lasers shoot straight bro. Have you tried zig-zagging?
>>740856832lol you suck at this game
>>740856832what the, my game didn't have skeletons shooting those lasers at that part, it was those rock sphere things. did they change something?
>>740856832>>740856886People like this are the reason "git gud" became such a prolific meme
>>740856832>>740856886>playing rollslop>doesn't roll
>>740857140He's playing some odd mod. Look at all those indiscernible buffs under his bars and the mod sword he's using has the default Dark Souls claymore icon.
>>740856832Yeah that area was fucking mean. Just wait til you see the fucking fire knight spamming rain of fire on the bridge to Rauh. You're guaranteed to die at least once.
>>740856832skill issue.
>>740857140It's Reforged.
>>740856832unironically you need to spam roll 24/7, that's why we call it roll slop, or alternatively just play another game that isn't trash
>>740856832Modded shitThis is difficulty scale from Reforged.
>>740856832KWAB GIT GUD
>>740856832>fromdrones countersignaling to discredit any legitimate criticism of their gamesno one legitimately gets to this point and doesn't know how to use a fucking dodge roll
>>740857340in this specific case, nah, the lasers stop tracking slightly before they fire, he doesn't actually even need to roll here.but even outside of this scenario, this mod makes rolling not always the best answer anyway. the groundslams that you can jump typically can't be iframed with rolls, for example, and there's a duck that can be almost instantly cancelled into a backstep attack that works better than rolling for many horizontal attacks and thrusts.
>>740856832>>740856886Skill Issue. Proficiency Problem. Talent Trouble.>FTH build>GaymoreEmbraced by Miquella.
>>740856832why aren't you rolling? you should know better with these games
>>740856832I just ran past everything in that section. If this some section is annoying then I'm gonna just skip past it.
>reforgedHow's the mage gameplay? Is it any better? Is it fun without summons? Is there a better mod if I just want to play as a mage keyboard warrior?
>>740856832Don't remember these faggots from elden ring but I already have the timing figured out just from looking at the webm, don't normally say it but: skill issue
>>740856886do you not know how to break line of sight? are you seriously this fucking bad?
>>740857997Convergence would be the mod if you just want some quick magic-centered playthroughs.Reforged is when you want another 100 hours but better
>>740856969shields is for faggots who dont know how to playlike OP just showed
>>740856832That is not a bullet hell. Plus, you've already been trained by Siofra River, the Uld ruins in Liurnia, and the Ordina evergaol.
>roll slopper>mods>skillAre we really going here?
>furfag enters the chatYep, not even quoting
>>740857997Mage gameplay is much more active, since some spells and attacks restore your FPReforged also has fully functional online gameplay now, though it's really only active in the weekends
>>740856832>>740858648Actually, what the fuck is that? I thought you were playing the actual DLC, but I clicked the webm afterward and that enemy is clearly modded.
New Dark Souls???
>>740858761Modded souls.
>>740856832>>740856886Skill issue
>>740856969Cause you're supposed to be rolling, not blocking.
>>740856969>just use a shield on every single build!Bad game design.
Shield bro?
>>740859239>just never deviate from your build, even for a moment, even if it will completely solve a problem you are experiencing instantly with no lasting impactBad brain design
>>740859212You're supposed to avoid damage, method isn't important.
>>740859389>open cheat.exe
Tbh I just switched to a bow for that part, didn't really like it. Felt more like I was tricking the AI than anything.
>>740859360>just never deviate from your build, even for a momentYes, that's how anyone who isn't a metagaming subhuman plays games.
>>740856886>>740856832first time I see rhese enemies and area. I geniunly don't know where is it located
>>740859445It's infinitely more respectable to silently cheat your way through an encounter than to whine about it being too hard online
>>740859537That's the way to Saint Trina in the DLC, except the enemies are modded in to be the skeletons dudes rather than the columns of stones you get near Evergaol.
>>740856832I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when trying to understand how people enjoy souls likes.>trial and error area until you've memorized enemy spawns and attack patterns>trial an error bosses until you've memorized their attack and movement patterns>haha I keep le dying its so hardcore xD, I love replying the same areas tonnes of times!Only other way of playing is using some cheese tactic that puts you at a lower risk of being hit, but this is equally as dumb.
>>740859796It's satisfying to overcome a challenge. It's fun to explore. The music's pretty good too.You know, standard video game stuff.
>Mod using PCTroon is dogshit at the gamelmaoooooo, every single time
>>740859753oh I see , thank you very much
>>740856832yeah, it's called level designIn fact this area is the only memorable level in the DLC, outside of a few catacombs/caves
>>740856832if you charge head on like a fucking nigger idiot then of course you are going to die,retard
>>740857997mage gameplay is okay if you use one of the spells the mod creator likes and absolutely miserable if you use one of the spells he dislikesexpect most spells to take up your entire FP bar to cast and deal less damage and have less range than a greatsword R1 (not even joking about the range, the moon spells immediately fall to the ground after like 5ft making them literally useless)
excellent bait
>>740856832Maybe you should play a bullet hell instead of this normoslop
>Average tendie experience going through Elden Ring for the first time as they gear up for pretending to care about Duskbloods
>>740856832Miyazaki is a sadist and/or a retard whose maine schtick is off-screen projectile spam. Well, this same guy has copy pasted the same game for 20 years straight by now too.
>>740861285what does anything in this webm have to do with miyazaki?
>>740856832This is modded, right?I remember the laser shooting orb dudes, but I don't remember these guys.
>>740856832>>740856886Bro, your shield?
>>740856832>POV: You're playing a game made for a 12 year old console but it was released only 3 years agoMakes you realize
>>740860749>exposing bad game design is bait
>>740864960He thinks shields are metagaming
>>740856886Anon, you need to time some rolls. Make an effort, please.
WOW what was I supposed to do here????
>>740865646level some vigor
>>740856832>strength tards when faced with a modicum of challenge
>>740865646You rolled with poor timing and like twice as much as you needed to. Stop panicking and get more comfortable avoiding hits with simple, more constrained movement. If you can't do that, then alter your gear setup and level Vigor so you can actually eat hits.
>>740865646You're supposed to go back to dark souls 3 and fight pontiff to understand his combo which they then copy pasted here out of lazyness
>>740865646VIGlets...When will they learn?
>BRO JUST OVERLEVEL YOUR TROUBLES AWAY THIS IS GOOD GAME DESIGN
>>740865646holy damage resist gears and/or items, shield with high holy damage block, rolling better. It REALLY is that simple.
>>740856832So these are the people telling you from games suck
>>740869972turn off the mods and git gud, faggot
>>740856832Elden ring is their testing grounds, it's a pseudo-bullet hell game. Fromsoft's next game will be a souls game again but with new fully developed bullet hell enemies and mechanics for it. The culmination of their experiment was the elden ring dlc, Radahn specifically, though most of them count. Pretty much all dlc bosses throw lasers and general shit at you.
>>740869972I know this is bait but some people genuinely don't understand. You make your own difficulty with RPGs via choosing which gear to equip and stats to level.
>>740856832If on only they had some kind of object you can use to black projectiles like something to SHILED yourself from them.
Elden Ring fucking sucks but this gameplay is not itIt sucks because thats the DLC and those look like Limgrave ruins with Putrescent enemies copy pasted on top and it also isnt Sekiro so theres that
>>740859239You dont need a fucking Build to use a shield in situations ware a shilled helps immensely.Its like saying that you wont use an antidote to cure poison because its not part of the build.Or you wont use a torch or other light sources in areas where its impossible to see otherwise because its not part of your build.
>>740869972I wish bro I'm always overleveled and it's always too easy
>raptor in the mists on a Great sword>never rolls once while being fired at>on normal difficulty on Reforged>with a faith build>WOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO THIS, SO UNFUN WOW NOTHING I COULD OF DONE
>>740856886The best part about this is that he's playing a mod that has an always-on Deflect tear effect so he could have just blocked all of this despite not having a shield.
>>740869972>overlevelBullshit. Online discourse is full of people that are advising you to be at a level where you basically throw away 50% of the runes you earn just to not "overlevel." People are like "you should beat the game at level 100 :^)" or whatever, which is deranged and them thinking ER has the same level curve as Dark Souls, a game significantly shorter. You can get to level 100 by Farum Azula while ignoring 90% of the game's content. I did a playthrough rushing the end of the game while just beating a handful of optional bosses and was level 117 when I fought the Elden Beast (seven hours into the playthrough). On the other hand, I've beaten the base game multiple times on full-completion playthroughs while deliberately not spending any consumable runes, buying every single spell/weapon/item from every merchant (basically being as rune-inefficient as possible), spending any extra runes I get from backtracking through completed areas on smithing stones I won't use, and still end up at 175 or so by the end of the game. That only gets higher when you include the DLC.The actual problem is that faggots will see people that are actually good at the game and have beaten it multiple times get through while ignoring most of the content and being severely under-leveled and min-maxed, and think that's the intended experience. Or that you're a failure if you can't do that on your first try. Nigga, level VIG and get some heavier armor. You're not perfectly dodging every single one of Consort's attacks on your first run. Even speedrunners and challenge runners that have beat the game hundreds of times level VIG because they're smart enough to know it's the best stat and that not only will you get hit eventually but it's often a good idea to get hit for the sake of trading.
>>740856832It's incredible to me that there's actually people out there who play games like NPCsLook at this guy walking in a straight line, no thoughts in his head, legit does not try rolling until he already got hit like 4 times in a row. Absolutely amazing. People like this walk amongst you every day on the street and act like they're human.
>>740856886>that phantom dying to the lasers Kek
>>740869972yeah . not like you can finish all souls at level 1fucking retard
>>740856886you're dressed like King Arthur of Monty Python, no wonder you're shit
>>740856832>r*ddit claymore
OMG...CAN A DLC BE GOTY...? THIS IS BEAVTIFVL....
>>740856832HAHAHAHAHALET'S NOT ROLLLET'S NOT PAY ATTENTION TO TIMERSAND KEEP RUNNING FORWARD LIKE A RETARD
>>740872087I saw someone cast Rennala's Full Moon against this and it was actually beautiful. Never cared about that spell until then.
>>740872087yeah everyone knows FS games are getting worse thanks to blind fanboysnothing new
>>740872087I honestly have no idea how you're supposed to dodge this combo perfectly. I know it's theorically possible but I've never managed it even by sheer accident.
>>740864896what souls fag believe the gameplay is>>740865646what souls gameplay really isjust bunch of cheap shit and memorization, or covering entire screen in particles so you have 0 idea what even does damage or dosntor fighting bosses that clip through walls and are so big its anybody's guess which part of them even does damage
>>740877497>what souls fag believe the gameplay isthat was what souls gameplay was before you retards ruined it
>>740877497That image is an exact scenario from dark souls 1, the webm is elden ring and DLC too. They went overboard with the game and even more with the DLC.
>>740856886Shrine of Amala
>>740874731A lot of the new shit is dodged by freerunning left or right and then dodging further left or right when it gets to you. Now the Hippo in Shadow Keep? I genuinely have nothing on how to dodge his needles.
>>740877870ds3 already had plenty of retarded shitthe dlc dragon was the worst, not only was he too big for the camera so the lock on would break on half of attacks getting you insta killed, he also had plenty of 1 hit kill attacks and aoe spam
>>740877497>what souls gameplay really isOne boss at the end of the latest DLC, the very most recent content does not override the entirety of all the rest of the games. What you said isn't even true of 99% of Elden Ring.
>>740878118I like how they finally made a perfectly serviceable dragon fight with Midir, then they shit out the ancient dragons and the fire giant in Elden RingFucking subhuman company
>>740878304thats what happens when you get fanboys that defend shiti like their games but i also attack their retarded ideas
>>740878118Yea I didn't bother with the dark souls 3 DLC. At least we got the abyss watchers OST out of that game, highlight of the entire game for me.
>>740872087I didnt like the dlc as it was most of the bad shit that FromSoft started doing towards the end of the base game but for most of the dlc. I dropped it at Radahn, I could have cheesed it and done specific builds but I was sick of the boss design by that point and went back and 100%ed Sekiro from where Id left off 4 years prior. I really hope they go back to bosses not being endless spam or having attacks deal 2/3rds of your HP regardless of whether you level VIG or not with overlevelled aspects only just reaching normal levels.
>>740856832it's like modern Diablo
>>740865646remember when this leaked and everyone here was sure that it was a mod because how obviously low effort and recycled it is?
>>740856886>50TH TIMEAnd you still haven't realized that your strategy will never work? kek
>>740856832#>oh no! teh lasers!!>roll>roll>roll>roll>roll>die
>>740859796it wasn't like this in the previous entriesElden Ring is incredibly easy, but people think its hard because theyve never actually played a hard game before, or played on a difficulty higher than Normal. so people get an erection gloating about beating it, and if someone doesn't like the game, criticize the game, or posts something to show a problem, they have a way to jerk themselves off
>>740856832>bullet hell>super easy to just dodge using the sound cueslmao
>>740857997Doing a seamless playthrough with a buddy of mine on reforged currently. He's doing pure caster, with high INT/FTH and so far he's been really enjoying the spell rework with cantrips generating FP to offset the high FP costs of big spells now. Vigor is much more important since the level scaling in the game is much higher (rune gains are also more plentiful).The spells we've found so far are fun while being fairly balanced, his favorite being a 6-second cast time meteor spell that does a shit ton of damage but requires a lot of setup and preemptive aim. As a solo caster? Honestly you might not be in for as good of a time, but there's a fair amount of quick-cast spells that might shine.
>>740856832these games just look so clunky and awful to play to me >rolls 1000x into big slow swings when boss stops doing things >every single fight Movement looks awful.
>>740865646god these games look retarded lol>have you tried rolling more xD
>>740878009i have no idea why so many people had trouble with the hippo.personally i facetanked the shit out of him. i used loads of charged attack and he kept getting poisebroken.consort radan tho is grade A fucking bullshit.it's the only enemy in the entire series i just gave up on
>>740882405Try playing the new Gothic if you want to experience awful movement. It makes Souls-likes combat seem like the next world wonder.
>>740882663i don't want to though. Every single souls clip I've ever seen looks like total shit lol
>>740859796>trial and error/memorizing attack patterns is badThis is literally the bread and butter of most if not all action games. If you don't see that, then maybe the whole action genre just isn't for you. >>740881860The real problem is that a lot of people who play Elden Ring and say its hard are often times in the same group of people that don't take their time with games. DS1/2/3 all had their moments of teaching players how to problem solve, but when Elden Ring is your first game they're not going to know about the usual tricks that have worked. The game is simultaneously the easiest/hardest game depending on how much of a drooling retard you are since there's so many tools at your disposal to make the game easy.
>>740882549unironically dark souls 2 mogs elden ring in this way. i cant stand elden ring for conceptual reasons most people apparently cant fathom. obviously the easiest term to describe it is rollslop but its so much more than that. you are no slayer of gods, no mythical figure, no great hero. just some faggot who invulns through multiple goku tier bosses and hits with bonk. which was funny when its dark souls fucking 1, but it definitely gets mogged by sekiro IMO at this point
>>740882839Idk ER can be tedious and obnoxious with some bosses which a lot of people write off as 'git gud fgt'. Like OP here is a drooling retard but many of the bosses in late game ER and a lot in its dlc are badly designed for the rest of the game and show the limits of the current player mechanics. You CAN easily beat them but its annoying and unfun when you have to change your build significantly for one bossfight. And not in the same way you would change in DS1 where you go a tank build for 4 Kings then swap back, it requires more effort and is annoying even before the bullshit of modern boss designs.
>>740856886
>>740880674what part of it is recycled besides the boss name not being radafried instead
i didn't find that part difficult at all
>>740882405you wouldn't get it
>>740856832>Lacks the skill necessary to play without shield/ranged/magic/miracleslmao
>>740884193nta, but from what I remember he shares movesets with DS2s Vengarl and DS3s Pontiff
>>740884319meh, play a multiplayer game if you value skill expression
SkillIssue.
>>740856832This section was so easy, its actually embarrassing that you're bitching about it
>>740884385>MY build is the ONLY way to play!we all know about royal knight's resolve, lion's claw, and physik abuse anon, you're nothing special
>>740884497I am tho
>>740884601it really is a shame from's netcode completely ruins every single game they make, its some of the best 3d fantasy pvp combat on the market and its just completely invalided by noreg hits and packet loss
>>740884601this still looks shitty man
>>740884712>some of the best 3d fantasy pvp combat I guess if you like rolling 14 times in 30 seconds. Looks awful
>>740884594>lists things that have nothing to do with dodging laserslmao pure shitter mindset can't even do anything except parrot random meta skills he looked up on the internet
>>740856832>>740856886What mod is this that you're using? Those buff icons are not in the vanilla game
>>740856832>>740856886Do these guys respawn after getting killed?
>>740885049>brings up every single build possible other than quality and makes fun of it>someone disagrees>THAT'S NOT WHAT OP'S WEBM IS ABOUT YOU USED A WIKI!are you okay?
>>740857216>Just wait til you see the fucking fire knight spamming rain of fire on the bridge to Rauh. You're guaranteed to die at least once.Did they change that part to make it so you can use a horse? I remember when I first played the DLC I hated that part and died to him multiple times but when I replayed it recently I simply rode my horse across the bridge like normal and he didn't hit me once.
>>740885015people who spam dodge roll, spam r1, spam l2, etc. more than 2 times are easily punished by good playersfor some reason you seemed to have entered a souls thread and are doing nothing but commenting "looks bad" which suggests you're either an idiot or here with a motive
>>740885163Not only are you a shitter, but you're completely illiterate. Must be hard being brown.
>>740885301
>>740856886Roll nigga ROLL
>>740856832Just don't get hit
>>740856969there's an entire phenomenon with this series in specific where the mere idea of a shield slows someone down or is considered mostly worthless and not viable for play because rolling is "so much better in every case scenario". doesn't help that for large chunks of Souls, shields are kinda variably shit without getting the good ones. then Shadow of the Erdtree actually gave you a good shield and suddenly shields are verboten because it's "unfair and not a legitimate way to play as it invalidates skillful expression".literally just stop having fun faggots who think their way or the highway.
>>740885297true pvp meta is literally kiting each other until one of you gets a magic backstab at a 70* angle, it isnt very special lol
>>740885658>backstab metayeah that's why we make fun of dark souls players and play elden ring instead
>>740882549>>740882853Absolutely nothing in the game forces you to use rolling as your primary means of avoiding/mitigating damage. You just fell for arbitrary rules made up by "the community" that you're not allowed to use any other tools in the game besides the roll button and somehow thought the game itself was making you play by those rules and not retarded strangers on the internet you've never met.
DS1 niggers never managed to adapt, they will keep trying to roll past everything and just spam R1 as their only game plan. The most brainlet playerbase that ever existed.
>>740872087Call me crazy but I personally think an optional final boss of an optional DLC who is supposed to be a living god should be quite difficult.
>>740885756stellar blade, nioh, sekiro all 3 of those games let you mix parry, block, attack, and dodge at the same time as part of the combat flowelden ring if you block that fucking nuke radahn unleashes for example good luck dodging after for the rest of the 10 hit string, disingenuous retard. in elden ring rolling is so much better than every other option it isnt even funny, blocking an attack for 50% of your stamina + elemental chip dmg versus invuln through it, not sure what youre getting at m8
>>740885951D....DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW!OPEN WORLDSLOPetc etc etc
>>740885756also all 3 of those games i mentioned + bloodborne have quickstep instead of rollslop
>>740885658All this tells us is you haven't played PvP since Dark Souls. Not to say that PvP is good now, it's still shit, but it's shit in a different way from the backstab fishing meta of the past. A more accurate criticism of Elden Ring PvP is that it's just L2 spam and gank squads farming invaders.
>>740886070>let you mix parry, block, attack, and dodge at the same time as part of the combat flowYeah you can do that in Elden Ring too. I have done this many times.
>>740885015>rolling 14 times in 30 secondsElden Ring problem. No other souls game gives players access to so many easy, spammable ranged and gap closing abilities that force rolls. Magic in every other game is very limited, slow and vulnerable with usually no tracking letting you just sidestep it. In ER not only is magic retarded but EVERYONE is a magician because of ranged weapon arts and equivalent big/long/wide attacking tools in every build which are easy to connect with and have minimal commitment. This ensures that every retard gets to threaten you from every range, so 2v1 / 3v1 fights become dogshit where you can't create the space to safely attack anybody so are constantly on the defensive no matter where you position. Passive poise and overpowered running/jumping/crouching attacks that trade favourably against standing R1s compounds on the problem and turns group pvp into a farceDS3 group fights are way better than this
>>740886207elden ring was NOTHING but ganks when i played it at release, and told me i never want or need to touch souls pvp in the first place, it was never good.only bloodborne offered a mildly satisfying pvp experience and the game is dead and stuck on ps4.
>>740856832>>740856886Bro is bad at the game lol
>>740885951>adaptsorry if i wanted to play the same franchise when i wanted more of the samenext time i want more Dark souls. i will buy mario kart
>>740856832>>740856886gameplay says alot about a person>not even a flask chugdefeatist whore
>>740886332Invading in Elden Ring is literally a humiliation ritual. Miyazaki kept invasions as a mechanic for no other reason than to make hosts feel like they're good at the game because them and their two level 628 password summoned phantoms all spammed weapon art lightshow nukes at one guy (with half as much healing as them btw) simultaneously.
>>740856832Just roll through the lasers
>>740886294if you played sekiro you'd understand what i mean in that an attack or a deflect or any combination of your options can be applied in basically an infinite sequence to keep the 'dance' or engagement with the boss/enemy going. nioh and stellar blade are ok at this but are no sekiro.elden ring its rollslop through the enemies god tier moves and then you spam your licks in whether its an overtuned single hit attack or whatever. its pure turn taking. not actual back and forth where the movesets interact, its just spam bullshit go
>>740856832Thank open world for ass level design.
>early souls gamesoh this place is burnt? maybe i should be careful around here, oh shit a dragon is coming better back out>present souls gamesarros that just bend to get you so you press the roll button, laser barrage so you have to press the roll button, this is why people say this whole series is rollslop dance dance revolution 2000
>>740856886if you were patient you could use a bow+arrow and pick them off one by one. but I'm afraid someone using an ez mod can't be logic'd
>>740886601I have played Sekiro and it's funny that you bring that up when the objectively most optimal way to play that game is to do nothing except R1 and deflect because all of the prosthetic tools and shinobi arts are less effective and less efficient than just deflecting at the right time and spamming your light attacks as much as possible.
>>740886812right and so im telling you that i enjoy attacking and deflecting and taking my enemies straight on in a battle of strength instead of rollslopping and whacking their ankles.
>>740865646Absolute skilltroon pandering slop
>>740886882>i enjoy attacking and deflecting and taking my enemies straight on in a battle of strengthAnd you can do that in Elden Ring.
>>740882839>>trial and error/memorizing attack patterns is bad>This is literally the bread and butter of most if not all action games. If you don't see that, then maybe the whole action genre just isn't for you.its not. people are just retarded. delayed attacks arent trial and error. I dodge many of them the first time i see them. Most people are just fucking dogshit at the game and thats why they complain about trial and error. There are some trial and error type attacks in elden ring though, but its usually late game AoE that take up half the arena and 1 shot you and you need to run to like a specific spot or something. The problem is that the "trial and error is le normal" faggots dont complain about shit like that and they are so smooth brained they think attacks like margits delayed attack are similar
>>740886882
>>740887130not necessarily. if incantations had poise id say yes, but i fundamentally dont enjoy the way poise works in elden ring, if it had it more like ds1 i would give the game more praise as it would have infinitely more depth.
>>740887254>just choog your physick bro and use the GRRM fartin martin ass sniffing sword buff bro and then do it on the shitty leyndell copy paste apparition
>>740887291Poise is the best it's ever been in Elden Ring, it actually works properly without being hilariously OP.
>>740886508>pvevp shitters keep getting assblasted they can't fight noobsevery single game is like thisi'll just enjoy my kino without you, go fight people on your own skill levelduskbloods is going to be such a disaster
>>740887543I'm not asking to fight noobs I'm just asking for maybe a little less than 9/10 invasions being a 1v3 against overleveled password summoned phantoms. I am not exaggerating, this was actually just my experience trying out invasions as someone who ignored the mechanic in previous games.
>>740887691its because everyone moved over to seamless because it is better in every way from connection quality to ease of useyou've been left with the less desirables and since pvp is only enabled for parties its just incredibly likely to be a gank squad because the game is 4 years old
>>740885158ANYONE?
>>740885158>>740887898yes, both the lasers and the mines
>>740884601This shit looks so ass. Dark souls 2 is only souls game with actually decent non gimmicky pvp.
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>>740887963dark souls 2 has excellent hit reg and hitboxes compared to the rest but it ends up being floaty backstab meta like i described aboveeach has their flaws i guess
>>740887869This was my experience before Seamless was even out. It's just naturally what happens based on the way the invasion system was designed. You have to literally invite invaders into your world and the only reason anyone would ever do that is because they want to summon people, and naturally many people are going to want to play with their IRL friends and naturally their IRL friends are likely to use their high level character rather than making a new character. I remember doing the same shit when playing through the game with my buddies. I don't blame the hosts or the password summon phantoms, they're just playing the game normally. It's just that the system has been designed to disadvantage invaders to the point where they're nothing more than a miniscule nuisance for the host, rather than an actual real threat like they used to be, and this change was probably made because of how much people complained about invaders in the past.
>>740886661I liked dark souls because it was comfy slower paced action rpg with cool levels and exploration and now it has turned into some shitty ass action game with janky lame as moveset. Its feel like like im playing DMC but half of the moveset of game was removed.
>>740888229>to the point where they're nothing more than a miniscule nuisance for the host, rather than an actual real threat like they used to beand that's a good thingi've played every souls game both online and offlineinvaders never add anything to the experience, just either extra runes or an extra runback if i die or the invader had some ungodly number of runes and now i need to die to avoid feeling like im overleveled
>>740888109The fact that rolling and estus chugging is massively nerfed in that game already puts it leagues above any other souls game.
>>740888378Even with a jump now we play like something from two generations ago that itself was basically a third person action-ification of a dungeon crawler series. Like, say what one will about the buffs, the special attacks, spells, evening the playing field with how many options we've got, From evolved the movesets for everything else in some of the most elaborate shit in the genre, but the players still play like they're designed for an entirely different genre from what we're butting heads with.
>>740888509it definitely felt more like a fighting/moba game than the others, positioning is the most important thing in DS2. dark souls 3 and beyond isnt very fun to me. its just run around like a chicken with your head cut off style.
>>740888438There's no argument I can make against that because we just fundamentally value different things apparently.
When's the next mainline game fuckwits.
>>740888551this is why i only play elden ring and at this point also dark souls 3 with enemy control mods. not always full on boss like gundyr/radagon, but i play as the lothric knight in ds3 as well as the generic field knights in elden ring. the base game player characters are way too tykish for me to be immersed anymore. demons souls and ds1 were great for keeping enemies similar to player scale and moveset but bloodborne threw that out the window.
>>740856832Seeing you fail and then complain about it, makes me think it actually was a great idea. Thanks Fromsoft
>>740888791hopefully 1-2 years after duskblood flops
>>740888551>>740888842>i had to cheat because im badoof, ill let you unpack that one!
Is this a mod?Those mobs are from DS3
>>740864896This is exactly what I thought if when I saw OP rush in with no plan at all>>740865646use a greatshield and level VIG lol
>>740889090its reforged, light world overhaul and a lot of "balance" changes (the mod authors are retarded and put in a builder/spender fp system, nerfed spells he didnt like, and made ones he did absurdly broken)
>>740889073It's fine if you appreciate the newer titles as things got more pumped up in action flow, but not everything is made for everyone so some people will simply not like it or prefer older stuff. Should From capitulate to the oldbies? No, especially since higher action sells better now inherently. But doesn't mean people won't gripe about it. Now get off the high chair and talk using your big boy words instead of using other people as your proverbial voice box.
>>740889073im not even going to begin to explain to you why playing with mods after sinking 150+ hours in the base game might be fun, this is the only piece of shit game you play.
>>740856886>>740856832Skill issue lol
>>740856832?Those slug skeleton mage things are supposed to be stone worms. Stop playing shitty mods if you want a balanced game.
>>740889073also, the main reason is to make the model taller and get access to From's exquisite sound design and animations that they ONLY LET ENEMIES HAVE. all of the knights in DS3 are a dark fantasy enjoyer's wet dream, with extremely heavy footsteps, armor shaking, demonic breathing, etc. its a masterful bit of aniamtion work and then youre constrained to the shitty little toon character you have.
>>740887364>video evidence that a chad facetanking heavy defense build is entirely viable in ER>move the goalposts in responsePeople have done challenge runs in ER where they never block or dodge anything. You can kill every boss by eating every single attack they make. And there's a bunch of builds that work really well in that style, like a Wild Strikes build. You're just a fag.
>>740865646>Balachin's blessing debuff and no vigor while panic rolling backwards in a reaction to every attackYou can't complain about this. You may as well be doing a no-hit vid for online cred. You're supposed to roll *into* Consort Radahn's swings to his left side.
>>740889657do any of them rely on 0 estus or physick? personally, all of my superpowers coming out of a bottle ruins the experience for me. i dont think you understand how autistic i am. that is specifically what made me hate elden ring, is all of the cool shit is coming from 'wondrous physick' and not your actual fucking character. i have many games that satisfy a specific experience and elden ring is none of them, it is generic slop.
>>740887691>9/10 invasions being a 1v3 against overleveled password summoned phantomsYes this is an explicit ER problem, caused mostly by the lack of invasion into anybody besides premade groups (tiny MM pool). Since playing as a group guarantees you a constant stream of invaders the only people who engage in this are groups who are specifically interested in fighting uneven gank PvP against constant invaders. You won't get any group PvE done because you'll be fighting people the whole time, so people go into this with a mindset that they're going to commit to ganking people and nothing elsePvP being grossly unfair towards invaders leads to them minmaxing the fuck out of the game because being a degenerate cunt is the only way to get anywhere while invading. Anybody who would have had some fun with the mode just quits because that isn't viable, leaving nothing but meta fatsuits. The gank groups follow suit to keep up, so you get an arms race or doom spiral of dedicated meta gankers vs dedicated meta invaders each willing to do the most retarded shit like run away into a tower and fire jar cannons at each other. There is no room for anybody else, just these clowns, and since ER was a lot of people's first online Fromsoft title the new players ONLY know this behaviour and they still think it's novelPrior souls games had a more relaxed and organic nature to PvP where you would wind up in impromptu fightclubs with people taking turns to go at each other in a makeshift 'arena' which was never strictly defined but people stuck to it anyway for the love of the game. The BEST organic pvp invasions in any souls game come from DS2, and that's because DS2 allows anybody to be invaded. Allowing everyone to be invaded means the matchmaking pool is gigantic, which means PvE'ers rarely get invaded. If you rarely get invaded you're not going to stand around with a dedicated ganking team waiting for invaders, so you just go about your day and PvP happens when it happens
>>740890595insane amount of work to win that interaction, and it only worked because the host was retarded. and others will defend this
>>740886070>mix parry, block, attack, and dodge... thats literally what you do in ER
>>740865646for me i used blasphemous blade special which let me retreat out of his range and get ez hits in :^)
>>740891187the first two are absolutely useless against the vast majority of bosses in the endgame. the game isnt built around it like stellar blade and sekiro. or rise of the ronin.
>>740869972you get literally 1 point of stat after a certain amount of levels, there's not much point in over leveling.
>>740890595Yeah the arms race thing you're talking about is a serious problem and I think that's the primary reason invaders get a bad rap. Invaders are forced into a situation where they're outnumbered, outgunned, and outresourced, so naturally only one of two things happen: either the invader quits invading altogether, or the invader adapts and creates a bullshit OP build to even the odds. So when a normal casual player gets invaded and gets demolished by this minmax build they see all invaders as sweaty scumbags, but they're completely oblivious to the reality that if an invader doesn't play like that they'll realistically only win maybe 1 out of every 50 invasions they do. Thus invaders get a reputation as being bad red man who ruin your fun, meaning the next game nerfs invaders even harder, meaning invaders either have to double down even harder or just quit invading, meaning the invasion pool is left exclusively filled by people willing to double down even harder, thus worsening the issue.
>>740891308>the first two are absolutely useless against the vast majority of bosses in the endgamewrong, your build sucks and you dont know how to parry
>>740891308Parrying trivialises Malenia and PCR, the two hardest bosses in the game.
>>740891475i dont even think about malenia
>>740889291Id argue it only sells better as theyve improved the quality/polish of the games they make over the years, grown a brand, and the industry is larger. If you made an Elden Ring effort version of DS1 it would still sell insanely well.
>>740864896V1R4L V1R4L V1R4L
>>740856832>>740856886>He doesn't snipe with madness lasersNGMIFAMPAITACHI
>>740856832just snipe them with a bow retard
>>740891475Two out of like 62 is minority though like he said
>>740856832>>740856886you are terrible at this game dude
>>740892625i was going to elaborate, but there isnt a point, engaging in this thread where the OP's gameplay example does him no favors make this the worst place for criticism of the game.Im not even sure Elden ring has a universal tell for parrying, its just matchup knowledge, like a fucking fighting game, but bad. all the other sekiro clones have strict rules the enemies follow, and sometimes it can make them feel gamey/simon says, but they dont leave you feeling what the fuck because you decide to go 'ok ill try parrying this one!' and you eat a fucking truck
>>740892859What attacks you can and can not jump is so much worse than parrying. Most of the attacks that look low enough that you can physically clear them still hit you anyway. Up until you get an Elden Beast or a Rellena and the game expects you to ONLY jump this one attack specifically.
Slime skeletons are actually thematically appropriate for the area, all things considered. I'm still not even sure what the gravity rock centipede robots are meant to be in-universe.
>>740865646There is nothing to do. PCR is designed to absolutely fuck the basic standard way to play these games, but folds if you have a specialty build the devs didn't plan around. If you usually play a mid-rolling dude in armor with a claymore, he's going to prison rape your ass bloody. You gotta go into that fight leaning into some extreme. Stack bleed modifiers. Rot cheese. Tons of endurance and shieldpokes. Healspam on the Golem summons. Something that is slightly off-center.
>>740894436elden ring is just a mess of gameplay systems whose flaws only grow and widen like cracks in a fault line the more extravagant shit they put in it. thats all most people try to get across but it absolutely offends to hell the people whose first FS game it was.
>>740878118>>740878304Bayle is the best dragon they've done because he's not a camera rapist.
>>740894831i didnt even touch upon how they let bleed be massively OP, learning nothing from DS3also people who say 'just parry malenia' miss the point. you either learned it on your own through gameplay trial and (hopefully not too much) error (good for you! unironically, how the games are meant to be played) or you looked it up on youtube, trivializing the game as you now know who and what bosses lose to parry without trying yourself.the problem comes around if you do decide to try yourself, you will be banging your head against the wall in frustration when you realize not all enemies are created equal, especially in Elden Ring whose enemy movesets have been copied from multiple games and some fused with dragon ball powers.this also quickly devolved into this being a streamer/youtube game where people summon you to drop a save scummed rivers of blood to AOW cheese the game because fuck taking this shit seriouslyand the chip on your shoulder for beating 'le hard game' is worth far more than a sound gameplay system for a blind playthrough
