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Yes, remakes are inherently bad.
>>740865338remakes were a mistake. the only exception is when the same creators that made the original game are involved like with REmake
These are 2 opinions presented as 1
>>740865425fpbp
>>740865338>Remake is a 1:1 recreationthen it's a REMASTER
>remakes are bad>remakes the same thread every other week
>>740865425/thread
>>740865338you're so close to getting it, >>740865425 knows the truth
>>740865338Yes, I never asked for this. Why would you do it now when AAA cant even walk a step before tripping themselves.
>>740865691Ironically no one cares what you asked for and remakes generally sell pretty well, so you're not the target audience, you're the minority, and a minority. >>740865574Truke I have remake seethe fatigue.
>>740865338there's literally zero evidence of the phenomenon this post posits
>>740865923I've been seeing this for years yet game quality keeps going down... hmmmmm
>>740865338haven't seen anyone do the top
>>740865425fippy bippy
>>740865338fixed
>>740865425>Remake isCoulda left it at that. Even a "well done" remake is still a remake, and resources were poured into making something we've already played before. It's a zero sum game. If something is being made, that means something else is not being made. If they're spending years of development time on one thing, they're not developing something else.>they could be working on multiple projects!!!!Then it means they're not pouring as much as they could into something new to develop a remake of something we've already played.
I don't want remakes, I want re-releases with perfect performance and zero bugs.
what compels this retard to just make threads with comics instead of asking the questions in the revelant threads
>>7408660562020s has had a noticeable quality increase over the pissfilter era of the 2010s. The issue is that the 2010s was full of 4s-6s and the 2020s is extreme on both ends with 1s and 10s.
>>740865338>Charge $90 for a game you already own>Defile the game that you love
>>740865338remakes are retarded and gay, glad you finally noticed
>>740866098It's a loose fit, but it does happen when companies delist or end support for originals once they pump out a remaster (fully priced, of course). Like with the Warcraft 3 demake, which IIRC Blizzard intended to fully supplant the original.
>>740865574>same threads>same posts>same posters>same images>for years to decades at a time
Unless it's like the FF7 remake, don't even bother.
>>740865338Apart from MGS3, name another 1-1 remake that is a recreation
>>740866326brownoid engagement farms. saaaarrrr is paid 0.005 per post.
>>740865338I have never been angry at a 1:1 recreation, ever, they are so rare this is more like my face for one
>>740865338ideally remasters/remakes should just be the original game but running at higher resolutions and framerates and sane default controls
>>740865425Closing the thread. Nothing else needs to be said.
>>740866642Shadow of the Colossus on PS4
>>740865338>Not a new gameCorrect
>>740865425Yeah.
>>740866264>>740866693God if only these were what we got.Closest to this kind of thing are open source ports like Open X-Com and doom ports
>>740865338Top one is correctBottom one are faggots who don’t understand what a remake is supposed to be
>>740865338Nah, I love remakes of old games that take a different spin on it.
>>740865338What's the point of remaking if you're just going to do a 1:1 recreation?
>>740865338There are very few good remakes and they don't exist to make money
>>740865338 just ignore the bitch telling you little Caesars is shit and enjoy your pizza bro
>>740866263>Then it means they're not pouring as much as they could into something new to develop a remake of something we've already playedGet the fuck out. Like you believe for a fucking second you would want what they "something new" modern developers would make. Bullshit. You wouldn't trust them to develop an ad for a new IP or game, much less actually develop a new IP or game. And for good reason.
>>740865338>remake is a 1:1 recreationNot paying for the same game twice>remake is not a 1:1 recreationMaking the game worse is not an improvement
>>740865338Demakes should all be destroyed along with everyone who likes them.
>>740865425Fpbp
>>740865425yup
>>740865425Fpbp Trvke
OP is brown as usual
>>740865338I don't like 1:1 recreations when I know the company can do better. If OoT is a 1:1 recreation, it would be disappointing because the last time Nintendo tried to do a remake with LttP they actually just spun it in to a whole new sequel that was good in its own right, and they've also done good remakes with new content like Metroid Zero Mission.I don't like remakes with new shit when the company has become so wildly incompetent since the original game came out that they can't be trusted with adding anything new to it. See Final Fantasy VII Remake.
if it's a 1:1 recreation it's a rereleaseif it's not a 1:1 recreaction it's a spinoff
>>740866921if you have something good that people like then whats the point of changing shit for the sake of changing shit
I'm afraid remakes and rereleases will never stop. It will be the safest bet to do till the end of time. Just like internet is only few sites now, all of future culture will roll around the few universally recognized brands. Originality will die and art itself will be forgotten, as everything can be generated.
>>740868272It's because game dev has become so bloated financially and timeline wise that new IPs are extremely risky. Wasting 100m bucks developing an unproven game only for it to flop is a risk a lot of companies don't want to take. There's also the fact that the overwhelming majority of these IPs are from the 90s and 00s, because back then you could have a game be a hit, pump out a sequel every year, and have a reliable franchise in the space of 3 years compared to 10+ now. Remakes are a great way to mitigate that risk because you have an established fanbase already that you're tugging nostalgia strings for, a proven game that you can just copy to roadmap the remake, and a way to get new players interested in your IP. There's zero reason not to remake everything from the 90s.
>>740865425
>>740865425Kill yourself Video games toys and need a remake after every 10yrs
The whole remake dilemma could easily be solved if the original was included with the remake or available separatelyoldfarts wouldn't seethe because they can just play the original and shut the fuck up, zoomers wouldn't obsess over playing the best or most recent version and just make up their own mind based on game screenshots/gameplay and personal tastethe remake/remaster hate is performative and so are the people who suck them off regardless if they are actually good or needed, people should chill the fuck up and just play whatever they want, nobody is forcing you to purchase optional luxury products, just do everyone a favor and don't stink up discussion forums with your uninformed retarded garbage ass irrelevant opinion
>>740865338This is how actual human beings feel about remakes
>>740865338 not really
>>740869643This is an English speaking board.
>>740865425Nothing but facts. Could just port it if you REALLY want the extra bucks
>>740869696I think the last time I saw a company actually do that was the Medievil remake, but you had to complete some sidequest at the end of the game to unlock it.
>>740866642MedievilAbe's Oddysee
>>740865574Every other hour, more like.
>>740865338Name 1 remake that was 100% faithful and people still disliked it
>>740869696>The whole remake dilemma could easily be solved if the original was included with the remake or available separatelyThis. Like I wouldn't give a shit about the DeS Remake if Sony wasn't pushing it as the only way to play that game, leaving the work of the original artists in the dust.
>>740870340BDSP
>>740865425Not exactly true, but I understand the sentiment considering how often remakes fuck everything up.
>>740865425Completely disagree. There's no downside provided that the publisher doesn't pull a Blizzard by removing the original from stores. If it's bad, then oh well. If it's good, then it'll be a good game and may inject some life into the IP.
>>740865338Yes. Remakes should improve the game while preserving it's soul.Also few games actually qualify for a remake/remaster, and those who do will never get it. They'll keep remaking what was already great into slightly shittier version.
>>740870456Shut the fuck up, you midwit retard larping as an intellectual. God you people fucking suck so much I'm tired of your bullshit ruining everything while feign intelligence and act superior. YOU ARE A FUCKING WORTHLESS RETARD STOP RUINING MY HOBBY I WAS HERE FIRST FAGGOT
>>740865425Brainlet take, consider never reproducing and minimising the amount of resources you utilise.
>>740870832Calm down, gayboy.
>>740870449ackchually there's a fair few changes that those remakes made for the worse>No GTS>No Game Corner>Forced Exp. Share and friendship buffs>Gutted contests>Worse Secret Base customizationAnd of course there's the unrelated decision of trying to make a 1:1 recreation of D/P and not the definitive version of those games that came out like a year later
>>740871039Furtroons get the rope
If a remake was ever actually a 1:1 recreation (cant be done) it would just be the original game. Whats the purpose of that? So you just get "remakes" that "changed things" (no shit) and people get mad about it.Its all so stupid.
>>740865338>remake isfixed itstop doing remakes
>>740865338Yes, retard. First point, if it doesn't have anything new, why play it over the original? Second point, it's a completely different game then, oftentimes for the worse. Say what you will about how the PSP FF remakes look but I will never play any other version over those.
>>740865338The first doesn't exist.
>>740870449one of the ugliest games ever made
>>740865425Fippy bippy BotW tendies bee tee etc ohee
>>740865574And that's why the board is fucking shit
>>740865425HOLY FPBP
>>740865425Thank you.
>>740865425BASEDWe already had "same thing but new", it was called SEQUELS
>>740871446>First point, if it doesn't have anything new, why play it over the original?Improved graphics and controls.
>>740865425Yup
>>740865338Almost all games are accessible to everyone through ports and emulation. 1:1 remakes are unnecessary now.
>>740865338the original game is too clunky so the remake is always betterhorror games are too low poly so remakes are a clear improvement
>>740866658Why wouldn't you just play the original you dumb faggot? There's no purpose in a remake if it's exactly the same.
>>740872865>There's no purpose in a remake if it's exactly the same.If the original doesn't run on modern hardware without jumping through hoops there's a reason for a dev to do itEspecially in markets like Japan where everyone is scared shitless of pirating for some reason
>>740865338A remaster is a 1:1 recreationAremake is a complete overhaul of the game and its mechanics while keeping the main story as close to the source as possibleA reboot is a completely different game only keeping the original theme
>>740872865Absolute retard.
>>740865338what remake is 1 for 1?
>>740865425Holy fucking FPBP
>>740865425based and true
>>740865425Brainlet take, I'll assume every reply agreeing with you is either brown or samefag
>>740865338Know the difference between a remake and a remaster and a demake/demaster, retard.
>>740865338It depends entirely on WHY people like a game to begin with.>Game is enjoyed because of gameplay mechanics that meshed well together?You better believe that changing anything of that shit is going to be met with vitrol. It should play exactly the same, but with small complimentary additions that further emphases the fun of the system. Things to change should be world assets, dialog and bugs that get in the way of the gameplay actually working correctly.>Game is loved because of the world, lore and art assets, but online discourse is mostly mixed on if the game was ever even fun to play at all?Then you might find success with changing up the gameplay. Either a lot of a little depends on just how much you feel the jank "defined" the game.It is a fine line to walk for Remakes and it always changes depending on the genre. You aren't going to have predefined success or failure, because every game has a different reason for why people like it. FF7 failed in its remake because idiots thought they could change EVERYTHING. Meanwhile Star Fox looks like its remake will succeed because they didn't change the core gameplay all that much, while only the barest of dialog changes were made. It is more the "if this game were made today, it would have looked like this" kind of remake.
The correct solution:>Remake is not a 1:1 recreation, but also includes a 1:1 recreation as a bonus, and the developers also still make the actual original readily available
>>740867007remakes fall into 1 or two categories>same game>inferior (censored, cut content, casualized, etc.)Extremely rarely does a 3rd type show up, and that is the enhanced version, like DQ 1+2 on SFC, which is leaps and bounds better than the original, or Ace Attorney, which adds an extra case, but they're the exception that proves the ruleThere are also reimaginings, and they're usually bad, barring a few exceptions (e.g. MK Shaolin Monks is MK2 turned into an action-adventure game)
Ports >= Ports with enhanced features and bonus content > remasters > remakes
>>740866574>the carolpedo makes bad postswow what a surprise
>>740865338Top image reaction never existed. Also FPBP.
>getting this much upset because a game you already own and have played is released with newer / better content. They aren't taking the old version away from you lil timmy
>>740865338What are some extreme and possibly hilarious examples of remakes/remasters done well/poorly? And is there a baseline example that isn't the original game that devs should strive towards?
>>740866859When "bottom one" is making a bunch of minor alterations that unintentionally ruin parts of the original, while somehow trying to make it a replacement for the original, then no, that's not what a remake is supposed to be.If they're actually reimagining everything from the ground up and making something new, only loosely inspired by the original, then maybe, maybe, it'll be worth something. The thing needs to be good by itself, of course.Examples:RE2R -> actually reinvented the original, and is very good in and of itself.RE3R -> the theory is there, but the execution lacked.RE4R -> not distinct enough from the original, completely unnecessary.
only resident evil 1, zero mission and tengo project remakes are good
dude just play the video games you like you don't have to play slop it's not your job or anything. make the things you like instead of expecting the world to be perfect for you, don't be a goyfish
>>740870662The downside is that one of the appeals of art is to be able to connect with others through sharing it.A remake often makes is so the original is replaced in the public consciousness, making it harder to actually connect with people who enjoy the original. It isn't even about quality, it's about them being distinct.A remake that's sufficiently different from the original might get a pass, but in any other case it's a net negative.
>>740873823>but bro da graphics ooohh so ugly i need pwetty gwAPHICS OOHHH please sell me the same game again for $80, no i don't want anything new ohhhh
Double binds make me very horny.
I enjoy remakes that deviate from the original, if i want the original experience i can always just play the original againReskins with "better" graphics are the most boring shit imaginable.
>>740865425fpbpfor any retard disagreeing, tell me why you wouldn't prefer new games
>>740874334See >>740874806
>>740865338I do not have any opinion on this subject because I have not played any remakes in my life. Improved graphics do nothing for me. All I know from reading posts here is that apparently all of these remakes have a lot of cut content for some reason. I don't know why developers would do that.
>>740874976>why don't you think of the public consciousness stop being a huge faggot
>>740865425fpbp, OP raped
>>740865338>poor people hate things they can't afford (good graphics)
>>740875410I'm not asking you to think. I know that's way above you, retard.
>>740865425Ocarina of Time 3D is better than the original no matter how much OoTfags scream and shit their pants over "muh blood on the floor" and other minor shit that do not affect the gameplay.
>>740874965>I dislike the remakes with their new graphics and textures says the man who bought a PC to play old games and mod them
>>740876140You didn't ask me to do anything you huge faggot.
>>740871039Kill yourself
>>740867973> If OoT is a 1:1 recreationA 1:1 recreation is called a remaster, that's exactly what the Ocarina of Time 3D is.The code wasn't recreated.The assets(textures and everything that requires your eyes and ears) were
>>740865425First bippy best bippy
>>740865558No. a remaster touches up the game like optimization or framerate, slightly better textures by updating the bitmaps or lighting. A remake, even 1:1, would be a complete overhaul of the game from the ground up.
>>740865338Yes. Unless the game being remade was complete shit, all these resources going into remakes should be going toward new games.>>740865425Fippy bippy.
>>740865425Why are they so popular then?>sharteens, shitposters and samefags will NOT answer this
>/v/: remakes bad>also /v/: *fellates REmake and treats it like a sacred cow even though if it had come out today everyone would treat it like the other remakes*
>>740876191>Muh gameplay!!!So every game should just be made of abstract geometric shapes? If the only thing that matters is gameplay, and nothing else, there's no reason to have anything other than that.
>Remake is a 1:1.1 recreation
>>740876683The most important aspect of a videogame is gameplay yes.After all you would not enjoy Ocarina of Time if the game ran at 1 frame per minute with horrible controls. Not an action game at least. Even a visual novel would be bad at this framerate.I guarantee you.
>>740866989It doesn't have to be an entirely new IP. Where did I say anything about creating a new IP?
>>740877010OK play a game with your eyes closed. See how far you get.
>>740877061https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqVvJLD95xo
>>740865338>1:1 recreationnever happened, they always fuck up the lighting
>>740876532Because normalfags are lazy and will eat whatever you shit on their plate and all you will do is cry when that fact is pointed out. Remember to it clean like a good nigger.
i like playing a really good game a second time with better graphics desu
>>740877010Gameplay being the most important aspect doesn't mean it's the only thing that matters. When you dismiss criticism of something by claiming it doesn't affect gameplay, that's what you're saying. And that's obviously fucking retarded.
>>740865425Hmmm... based!
>>740876191Nigga they broke the falling roll.
>>740877150Now do it from the start on a game not played before.
Plebbit tier subhumans detected ITT, sage.
>>740865425fpbp /thread
>graphics aren't important says the man who can only afford a Windows XP laptop
>>740876532Because the games that are getting remade are better than modern slop, so all the devs need to do is not fuck it up. Also remakes are cheaper to make since most of the game design, writing and so on is already done. And then there's the nostalgia hook, the games practically market themselves. It's a 3-in-1 deal for publishers.
>>740877401And when did I say that the other aspects do not matter? I said gameplay is the most important aspect not the only aspect of a videogame. Visuals do matter but not as much as gameplay.>>740877507And fixed a lot of shit from the original. Nothing is perfect.The remaster has less problems than the original therefore it's a superior game.
Most of my goty were remakes for most recent years. I think that tells you everything you need to know.2019 - RE2 Remake2020 - FF7 Remake2023 - RE4 Remake2024 - FF7 RebirthAnd its possible OOT Remake will end up being my goty this year. And then 2027 my goty will end up being either Code Veronica Remake or FF7 Revelation.
>>740865338I only want remakes of bad or lackluster games from otherwise great franchises like Zelda II for example.
>>740865338I look like both and say both
>>740876532Normalfags who thought vidya was shit when the original game came out want big gamer cred but can't be bothered to emulate or play the original because its too le clunky so they LCD the fuck out of the gameplay sand down the edgy bits of story or gameplay they find icky charge you 60-70 for it.Corpos love it because its easy as fuck to exploit nostalgia and newfag normalnigs who will eat up a bad remake and pretend its great because they desperately want to be in on the experience people who played the originals felt, also the homework is done for them. They get to stand on the shoulders of giants while they rake money in from retards.
Shiggy diggy
>>740877903It tells me that you're a publisher's cum dump
>>740878095I barely spend any money on games. I've only played 2 games this year. RE9 and Pragmata.
>>740865425fpbpfuck remakes
>>740877896>shitty 3DS controls>fucked lighting and ambience>better game Nah.
Why Obvilion is called a "remaster" if all models, textures, lighting, rendering, etc. are all remade completely?
Where did we go wrong that the new generation has such abhorrent taste?
>Remake is mostly 1:1 in terms of story beats, scenarios and character designs>But intentionally remixes things like level design, puzzle design, enemy placement and behavior to offer returning players something new and play with their expectations>The art direction is consistent with the original, or in the case of a very old game, elaborated upon in a way that makes sense>The original is still easily available on modern hardware
>>740865338>games can be bad in more than one wayholy consoomer meltyalso fpbp >>740865425
>>740877340the remake is usually the better version both graphically and gameplay wise. So the people clinging to the old version are the ones eating the shit
>>740878287Because the code beneath all these assets is still pretty much the same.I do believe that calling them remaster is just wrong though. Semi remake a better term. But hey such is life.
>>740878458you deserve to be sterilized, reddit cattle
>>740865425TACTICAL TRVKE INCOMING!!!
>>740878510>y-y-you come from le reddit are you so broke that the thought of a modern game engine brings you to your knees?
>>740878458>the remake is usually the better version both graphically and gameplay wise.
>>740878623never played it
>>740878670Lived under a rock too, obviously.
>>740878709GTA is shit. Why would I want to play one full of brown people?
>>740866574Tranny jannies keeps deleting game threads while leaving up engagementbait, what do you expect?
>>740865425you love to see it
>>740878287Because its the same game. Just like MGS3 and Metroid Prime and Assassins Creed Black Flag did. Examples of actual remakes are the Resident Evil Remakes and Silent Hill 2 Remake and FF7 Remake/Rebirth and Metroid Zero Mission
>>740878770You don't need to play it to know what a shit show Definitive Edition was. It was mocked for weeks. You were probably too busy ooh'ing and aww'ing at shiny plastic graphics to notice.
>>740865338do people really pretend the OoT reveal didn't look like abysmal dogshit?
>>740879192I haven't looked at it at all you fucking baboon. I have no interest in the game so why would I look at videos of it or read up on it?
>>740879307They're not pretending. They're convinced.They're fully indoctrinated in the "new = better" belief.
>>740865425The Thing is a remakeThe Fly is a remakeStar Fox 64 is a remake
>>740879336It was everywhere you blind slug.You don't even have the awareness of the world around you to justify airing your shit takes. Befuckinggone.
>>740865425op btfo
>>740879606Well I didn't take any notice of it. That's what a normal person does when they're not interested in something. It's only you stupid fuckers who need to get upset over everything including shit they have no interest in.
>>740877010>After all you would not enjoy Ocarina of Time if the game ran at 1 frame per minute with horrible controls.It does and I did. Fuck off nigger, you're trying to argue gameplay absolutism while advocating for fucking 3DS controls. FUCKING CIRCLE PAD. NEVERMIND THAT GREZZO NEVER MADE A SINGLE GOOD GAME, THE 3DS IS AIDS.
>>740879953Ocarina of Time does not run at 1 frame per minute retard
>>740880497Autism response
>>740880673So mindbroken that your mind can't even into hypotheticals.Also the controls in OoT3D are better
>>740880885>Also the controls in OoT3D are betterNah.
>The complexity of my cognitive capabilities allows me to effortlessly discern and comprehend concepts that may be beyond the scope of your understanding.
>>740881310>I enjoy opening the slow as shit menu in Ocarina of Time
>>740865338OP is niggerlovinggoycattle, Remakes in general are putrid slopshit, except for maybe RE1 Remake on GC.
>>740865338Normies want every game made for them, when they only show up some of the time to buy the LCD mega IPs, or what their favorite streamer tells them to buySo when a remake gets announced it does one of several things1) pisses off the aforementioned group because they want all the trendy trederinos2) pisses off original fans because all they wanted were some QoL fixes, and modern audio, and visuals that are updated, not changing aesthetics for realism and other lazy modern trends3) pisses both off because developers want to have their cake and eat it too by trying to appeal to bothRemakes can be done right, like SMRPG and to a lesser extent RE1 (gc), but developers have to care, and be honest, 2 qualities you can't find anymore
>>740877896When you claimed OoT remake is better despite how much it downgrades non-gameplay aspects of it.Also, you clearly don't understand that "gameplay is the most important" doesn't mean "whatever has the smoothest controls is better". Sorry I expected too much of you. So I'll make it very clear: taking any game and applying the most modern gameplay conventions to it doesn't necessarily improve the gameplay.If you really want to experience OoT without stuff like very low frame rate, you can emulate it, that will get you better gameplay without taking anything away from it, both in gameplay and in visuals.
>>740881976what level is your autism?
>>740881680>I enjoy the circle pad>I enjoy pulling out a tiny pen/smudging the screen with my greasy thumb>I enjoy having one less button for item useYou don't have to keep reaffirming that your taste is shit, man.
>>740876214>says the man who bought a PC to play old games and mod themyou said that tho? don't remember writing that (I didn't) but feel free to project harder
>>740865425completely anihilated en one post
>>740865425Based artistic progression/evolution chad. Fpbp.
>>740865425too true, way too truefpbp
>>740882143Probably no different than yours
>>740882240wash your hands
I know some of you niggers ITT fought against me tooth and nail when I called RE2make shit on release
>>740882547Play a game on a good system.
>>740882557Those are normies, who just want everything to look and play the same
>>740865425Game designers are creatively bankrupt, they can't formulate new ideas anymore so all that's left for studios is take a 20-10 year old game and give it a new spray of paint to call it new and sell.
>>740865425This is what we call a truth nuclear bomb
They have to make it a completely different game because they know they simply can't compete with Ship of Harkinian.
>>740865425It's funny OP thought he had the perfect ragebait image when it can be destroyed by fpbp every single time
There is actually a crazy amount of remakes coming out (or have come out already) in the next year or so:Gothic RemakeBlack Flag RemakeOOT RemakeStarfox 64 RemakeHalo RemakeCod Veronica RemakeFF7 Remake Part 3Max Payne RemakeTomb Raider RemakePersona 4 RemakeSilent Hill 1 RemakeThe 7th Guest RemakeTrails in the Sky 2nd Chapter Theres probably more im forgetting
>>740884390The industry has really gotten desperate.
>>740865338I really want to play the original versions of older games. Believe me. Even though it's VERY few and far between, I sometimes gravitate towards the remake mainly because it just plays better.I gravitate towards the remakes of System Shock 1 and Epic Mickey. I can't wrap my head around OG System Shock's control scheme, and even though I can play EM1 on Dolphin at 1080p, the controls can be very cumbersome when playing on a regular controller. EM1 has a pretty bad camera which I heard was fixed up a bit with the Japanese release but I also have to find the right controller config which can be a pain in the ass.It's a sad truth for me, but it is what it is.
>>740865425OP utterly EVISCERATED Make new games and sell the old ones on the online stores you fucking HACKS
>>740865425fippybippyremakes are just cashgrabs 99% of the time
>>740865338All remakes should by law be required to include a toggle to the original version, playable on modern systems.
>>740865338top guy thinks its good for a game to come back modernized for new audiences, reshaping it to be as diverse and respectful for everyone as possiblebottom guy thinks the remake shouldnt even exist in the first place
The only good remakes are ones that add mod support so you can mod the original graphics back in.
>>740884756I'm the guy who made this post, >>740884602, but yeah, I agree. At least give people who are nostalgic or simply prefer the original the option to play it on modern systems!
>>740865425Why is the thread still up after this post?
>>740885128The clowning will continue until OP develops taste
>>740865425They're bad and they're goyslop.
>>740865425ba ba ba baaaased
>>740865425There are bad games that could be good games with proper remakes
>>740885128because it and OPs are made by the same person and are just full samefagging for an epic screencap
>>740874890If graphics is the only aspect changed, then it isn't a remake
>>740885735kys
>>740884553The DEI shit was not selling so while they scramble to make new vidya they have to remake old games to make sales.
>>740885849Why? The problem with remakes is that they often remake good games. They should remake bad games that had the potential to be good
>>740885735That is the only concession I make. I might even extend that a bit to fun but very flawed games. Jurassic Park Trespasser for example.
>>740865338THEN DON'T MAKE REMAKES YOU FUCKING VANTABLACK NIGGERS
>>740884932So top guy is a huge faggot and bottom guy is right, got it.
>>740886175>vantablack
>>740885735Except that never happens because it's not a safe investment for videogame companies
>>740865338No demake that is 1:1 exists.
>>740865425OP raped
There's gonna be a whole lot of REMAKE GOOD posting now that hecking zeldarino is the only thing on the nintenigger's menu, huh?
>>740872865Some old games would benefit from a 1:1 remake on new hardware and a few QoLs, like Fatal Frame 2.Rule of Rose is one of those games that has excessive loading screens and some bad design choices (like how boring it is for Brown to search for items), for example,
>>740865338Top image literally doesnt happen, though. The only people that are passionate enough to rage face are the people that liked the original and want more of that. Weird social permission zeitgeist people just shrug and move on to whatever the next thing streamers are talking about if they bounce off of retro mechanics. This is what's known as a false equivalence or a false dichotomy.
remakes are for the new generation of gamers. time to move on uncs
>>740887158Unfortunately for us all. Why are they remaking OOT anyway? Aren't the current devs absolutely religiously committed to the idea that old zelda games are bad and people only want nu open world sandbox zelda? By their own thinking, this product should be an unplayable dud.
>>740865338>remake is a 1:1 recreationthere are literally ZERO remakes that are like this you fucking retardname ONEthey ALL either change the game or have some retarded fucking troons/jeets working on the graphics and it always ends up having complete shit lighting compared to the original
>>740884390>Max Payne RemakeI actually am looking forward to this. Max payne DID age quite a lot if you recently play it.Im gona miss the kino story telling, voice acting and that comic book style the OG had tho..
WOW CHECK OUT THIS FAITHFUL REMAKE BROS
>>740884390>Trails in the Sky 2nd ChapterBEST remake in the list and it's not even CLOSE. And people say remakes suck, just show them Sky 1+2 remake lol
>>740885997Trespasser was not fun and not flawed that game was busted from the start.
>>740888098Not DEI'd enough. Here's the real remake.
wow guys i love how faithful this remake is
>Remake is just the original with added content and QOL fixesbased
>>740888336>also they just pasted the old artstyle into modern graphics and now it looks like complete shitvery based indeed
>>740888305>hated demon's souls when i played it on PS3 (while save scumming)>didnt give a flying fuck about the remakeZanzibart...i... won. By doing nothing
A 1:1 remake and a remaster are so similar that there is functionally no difference. Both are just replacing assets with higher fidelity ones like higher res textures, higher poly models, and resampled audio. The problem happens when the people making the remaster start filling in the blanks and adding new details that change the context or intent of the original. The DeS remake is the best example of how not to do this. The gameplay and level design is mostly identical (ignoring camera mode letting you look ahead) but every asset from the music to the textures, models, and even particle effects were changed with no regard for the original and makes the game definitively worse.Conversely, a remake that isn't a 1:1 recreation can be good if new content or mechanics preserve the intent of the original. For example, if a remake adds unfinished content that was cut for time constraints and adheres to the design principles of the original then that is usually acceptable. Or if there are new were intended by the devs but not included because the tech didn't exist for it at the time. A good example of how not to do this is the Final Fantasy VII remake. They practically made a completely different game and added a stupid meta plot to justify padding the game with nonsensical changes and splitting the game into 3 parts.That's the key with both these scenarios, they have to RESPECT THE ORIGINAL. If your goal is to just disregard the original and make a different game then why wear the skin of an old game instead of making a new one altogether?
>remake is the same so it sucks>remake is different so it sucksin that case, why not have a remake that does BOTH?
>>740865338Almost like remakes don't need to be a thing.
Okay so how does /v feel about pic rel? good remakes?no nostalgia-fagging/glasses allowed either. Be objective.
>>740888305Fool's Idol being changed to a miami-dade meth whore is why I was so happy Miyazaki told Bluepoint to fuck off with a BB remake. Get fucked.
>port>updated re-release>remaster>remake>reimaginingchrist my fucking head
>>740865338All this evolution and adaptation and all our species is capable of is being mad all the time about things that don't matter... Sad
>>740873035>>740887190In those cases you only need a remaster, not a remake.>>740873193Can you explain your thoughts with words or are you just an ape?
>>740888582a rare miracle because all the normies seem to love bluepoint and for some reason think bluepoint is the single company responsible for demon souls
>>740888575fucking lazy trying to have the same mechanics for all 3 games.
>>740888305post full size screenshots of the 2 games , let's see how good the PS3 one looks vs the remake
>>740882470I don't have it. I didn't get bummed while I was young
>>740865425Based
>>740865338if /v/ hates remakes so much, why do they remake the same threads everyday?
>>740888813it's about the art style tard
i don't even know what the definition of a remake is anymore.is a graphical enhancement change?is it a genre or gameplay loop change?is it additional content or narrative change?
>>740865425fip and a bip
fuck 2d-to-3d remakes.i wanna see 3d-to-2d remakes instead.
>>740888596>portOnly rewriting the code so it runs on another platform. No changes to the game itself.>updated re-releaseSame game but with additional content included. Usually has post-release DLC for the game packaged and some platform specific bonus like a new outfit.>remasterUpdating the assets so they are higher fidelity. No changes to the game itself.>remakeGame made from the ground up with a new codebase and assets meant to recreate a game, Will usually make some changes to the game all around but the overall structure of the game (gameplay mechanics, level design) should closely adhere to the original.>reimaginingA remake that only resembles the original in concept and is intended to be an "if we made this game now". Will make drastic changes without any regard for preserving the original.
>>740865338just don't make themmake a remastered native port with a toggle for the old graphics/audio/ost
>>740889414as far as I'm concerned, FF7R is both a remake (huge gameplay/genre change) and a reimagining (lots of changes to the story/experience).
>>740889414The real point of contention is with the last two. Lots of game companies will call their game a remake but what they're really doing is a reimagining.
>>740865425I came into this thread specifically to kneel to this post. Just port the fucking original gayme with higher res textures if you want to jew the next generation of gaymers.
>>740865425Thread should have been locked and stickied right here.
>>740865425The original never achieves the actual art the remakes do, sorry troon.
It's funny, for as much hate as these games got, I expect that once the trilogy is complete they will be the gold standard for remakes going forward and will likely kill the trend. If Zelda OoT is a 1:1 rebuild, people will point to FF7R and slam it for not being ambitious enough with the property or just expecting us to pay full price for the same game.
Toggable graphics to switch between retro graphics and new improved graphics on the fly should be mandatory for remakes.Just like Diablo 2 Resurrected.
>>740865425May as well lock the damn thread.Wouldn't mind hard reimaginings though.
>>740889779Thank god. Most of these hack devs never realize how the limitations they used to have is what made those games good.
>>740890010there are only 2 good kind of remakes, the ones that are radically different and the ones that completely preserves the originals but ALSO has additional content and (optional) graphics switch.anything else is garbage.
>>740865425I was not disappointed by the fp, for it was the bp
>>740865338remakes and remasters are no the same thing dude
>>740865425Nah.
>>740865425someone sticky that man
>>740890058>>740890198>(optional) graphics switchthis is a remaster thing, completely irrelevant to the player experience, it's a feature that is basically just tech wank.
>>740865338I'm buying all the RE remakes
>>740890363would you consider Super Mario RPG Remake a remake or a remaster?
>>740865338Goomba's fallacy.
>>740890575remaster, but I haven't played either
>>740890010The level of delusion or cope is off the charts. The first game in that trilogy sold well because it was literally labelled Remake on the damn box, if people knew it was some funk ass Reimagining with spoiler spooks and different timelines it would have sold substantially less, hence why the second underperformed, straight from SE's mouth.It was a bait and switch, why they'd bait and switch the first game in a trilogy and expect the next two titles to do well is anyone's guess.
>ITT Faggots who don't understand the difference between a remake and a remaster includig OP
>>740888498>A 1:1 remake and a remaster are so similar that there is functionally no difference.Stopped reading there. You are mentally retarded.
>>740865425>Yes, remakes are inherently bad.Why?
>a game being remastered is actually completely different from a film or record being remastered>if you replace every single moving part to produce the same scenes it's still just a remasterwhat caused this logic to take hold, it can't seriously just be the dedicated poos shilling FF7R right?
>>740889084>"post full size full screen images">dumb retard posts 1298x980 cut outs
>>740890705>Reimagining with spoiler spooks and different timelines it would have sold substantially less, hence why the second underperformed, straight from SE's mouth.complete lie btw, the launch sales were hurt by the sony exclusivity arrangement. Rebirth is now top of the charts of NS2 and experience a subsequent sales boom with hype building for the third.Regardless of your hurt, the third will be a big success and the Remake trilogy bundle will see even further sales and resales for some time.What I'm trying to point to is the scale of the series. They took a PS1 game and turned it into a >200 hour epic, completely redone gameplay and massive fan service. It is going to dominate the discussions of potential remakes forever, devs will not want to do full remakes because their fans will point to FF7R and want that level of scale.
>>740891261>i have to do what you tell meretarded nigger that can't infer i'm saying no unless i explicitly say so
>>740889414>portGreat, preserves the game without ruining it.>updated re-releaseGood, preserves the game and gives you one nice package to buy the whole thing. Must not be done in a way that screws current owners, however.>remasterShit, often ruins some important aspect of the original by making unnecessary changes.>remakeSame issue as a remaster, but often even worse since it makes more changes.>reimaginingAt this point it's so different from the original that it warrants being judged on its own. It cleary doesn't replace the original, since it's so obviously different, so it can actually be interesting, if done well.
>>740890363>completely irrelevant to the player experienceIf this were true there would have been no reason to evolve beyond Pong and Battlezone in terms of graphics.
>>740890010>If Zelda OoT is a 1:1 rebuild, people will point to FF7R and slam it for not being ambitious enoughNo one did this with MGS3 or RE4, they pointed to the original games and games in the same series. No one wants 7R to happen to their favorite game besides mental manchildren
>>740891295You know you can't do it because your entire point falls apart. Your PS3 game looks like shit when it's directly compared to the remake.
>>740891334>At this point it's so different from the original that it shouldn't even be called the same
>>740865338yesyour only objective with a remake should be to fix the parts with the most friction and tell the same storyunfortunately, a studio in 2026 is less organized than one from 1997 and all the good people left their positions for indians to fill, so nobody's capable of doing this very simple taskit ends up as an abortion compared to the original's blueprint, but because it's shiny and is stealing a pedigree, new players will defend it endlessly
>hollywood remake of a japanese horror classic>made by the same exact same people
>>740891367what kind of argument is that? I'm talking about the ability to toggle, not graphics in general. Pong would not be made worse or better if you could toggle between Pong and Pong HD whilst playing, it's not something you'd be doing actively to alter the gameplay experience, it's a neat gimmick you'd look at once before committing to playing either with the new or old graphic reskin.>>740891425Those are remasters. I'm using OoT as an example because it's clearly going to be a built from the ground REMAKE, but we don't know the level of ambition yet. If they stick very closely to the blueprint or expand the world and gameplay mechanics, similar to FF7R.
>>740891468You know what, fair enough. It's particularly bad when they literally give it exactly the same name, not even adding a suffix to differentiate it from the original.
>>740891436no i didn't do it because i knew you were a retarded normie nigger than actually thinks the remake looks better just because it has modern graphicskeep swallowing all the unreal 5 graphics style slop you love retard
I can't think of a single remaster or remake I've played which is worse than the original
>>740891849You didn't play RE3make?
>>740891792>but muh art-styleyou sound like a huge homo. I bet you've sucked 100s of dicks
>>740891889No. I just checked steam library and I don't have RE3.
>>740891979Keep it that way.
>>740891849So you've been playing original games most of your life, refusing to consume the slop. I'm proud of you, man.
>>740891896Nta, but you're a retarded normalnigger that should never touch a videogame ever again.
>>740865338>Remake is a 1:1 recreation>It's worse than the original.
>>740891436A man does not judge solely based on polycount.
>>740865425fippy bippy doo
>>740865425Yes, this is what we like to call FPBP
>>740892032lol. I've never installed it.
>>740892053Pokémon has quite a few examples of good remakes. They actually reimagine the originals, play very differently overall, and have the courtesy to have distinct names, so we don't get loads of retards who never played Red claiming they did just because they played Fire Red.Not these two, though, these are bad.
>>740865425Some are saying he's the most based man alive
>>740892041>>740891979>>740891849Whats the difference between P3FES and P3remake?
>>740892139the mantra of the village poor. >graphics don't matter>but they changed the graphics reeefunny how it works
>>740865338we need to assign some new words for this stuff, because everyone has a different idea of what a remake is. and when a remake doesn't fit their definition, they get mad.>graphical remaster>remake>reimagination
>>740891896okay yeah call me the fag when you're the one supporting different devs down the line completely changing the design of everythingdon't complain when troons keep pulling up dead series and making everyone black, retard
>>740892364Old versionNew versiondone
>>740892379I don't care. The remake is a 9/10 game. The original was a 7/10 game on release and a 5/10 game today
>>740892442>the remake is better because i'm a zoom zoom and old games are clunkycool
>>740892671The remake is better because it's better. >zoom zoomI wish. I'm probably older than you.
>>740891334It's important to point out that the changes being made are different between a remaster and a remake. Ideally, a remaster should only make changes to the assets but sometimes they will fix bugs or add minor QoL changes. The worst a remaster can usually do is outright censor character designs, cutscenes, or dialogue. It will degrade the experience but a lot of the time you can power through or restore the lost content with mods and still enjoy the game itself. Remake changes can range anywhere from assets to major gameplay changes like switching camera perspectives, changing the controls, or the absence of perceived "jank" like animation lock. Making changes like this requires a lot of nuance and understanding of the original game. Doing it poorly can threaten the integrity of the game itself.
>>740879154>Resident Evil Remakes>Silent Hill 2 Remake>Metroid Zero MissionHow are those not the same game but better?
>>740892364There are things called Remasters, anon. Not that difficult to grasp.
>>740865425This, pay attention devs, and MAKE NEW FUCKING VIDEO GAMES
>>740865425based unc
>>740893123Dev here. No. Fuck off
>>740892860>completely different>the sameretard
>>740865338This reminds of some of the beginning parts in Conker Live and Reloaded that deviate from Bad Fur Day
>>740865338see this? >>740865425OP is a faggot, just as always
>>740892835Dark Souls Remastered fucked the lighting of the game pretty severely, to the point even with mods you can't truly get the original back.In truth, there isn't a clear divide between remasters and remakes. There are some guidelines, but certain things can be seen as either way. But generally, the more it changes, the worse it is, until it changed so much it's barely even the same thing. It's like an uncanny valley of game similitude, which gets worse and worse until it gets better.Most of the time, it doesn't get better.
>>740865425FPBP
>>740893380
>>740888098>dead inside>I'M UPSET
>>740874032The physics in that one suck.
>>740893380i distinctly remember something about metal armor looking like plastic
>>740893380>In truth, there isn't a clear divide between remasters and remakes.The dividing line is the codebase. Remasters start from the existing codebase of the original and make changes to support the updated assets, increase framerate/resolution, fix bugs, and port the game to new platforms if needed. Remakes are a completely new codebase altogether because they often use new engines, libraries, middleware, etc. Assuming the company still has the codebase for the original, they can refer to it to recreate game logic, but ultimately a remake is new code altogether.
>>740865338Only retards seething about the first are Nomura faggots
>>74086533899% of the remakes are better
>>740865558No, new assets. Remasters are the game slapped onto a copy paste and up the resolution and shit.
>>740873035>If the original doesn't run on modern hardware without jumping through hoopsDownloading and configuring an emulator is easy and there's a trillion tutorials out there so even double digit IQ individuals can do it.You're just lazy.
>>740894835>downloading and configuring an emulator isn't jumping through hoopsIf a game doesn't install on Steam etc and run then I don't care for it.
>>740865338You can please some of the people all the time or all of the people some of the time, but the mark of a true master is to please none of the people all of the time because fuck you
>>740888575It feels worse than the originals
Kill yourself jaknigger.
>>740896228Why are you repeatedly establishing that you're lazy?
>Installing Steam isn't jumping through hoops because I'm used to itDolphin is practically plug and play. Again, you're just lazy.
>>740896628Meant for >>740896078
>>740896078I bet this nigga doesn't even cook his own food.
>>740896685I've been doing this for long enough and there's plenty of other games to play which don't require me to jump through hoops to play them.
>>740896926>You don't even cook your own foodwhat the fuck lol >You don't even make your bed >You don't even use 3 ply toilet paper
>>740865338>remake is a 1:1 recreationCan anyone show me where this is a thing? I've never seen a remake that's a 1:1
>>740896078>Retard who only plays current AAA gamesEven old games you can buy from steam will run like shit on current PCs. Its not more difficult then running an emulator.
>>740897329Why would I buy old games? I don't play old games. I play new games. I played the old games when they were new.
>>740865338Example of the former?
>>740865425Can't wait for this to be posted on reddit and twitter and reposted back here from there
>>740897409I know what you're up to, last (you) from me
>>740865425With a few exceptions (10 - 15), anon... absolute masterpiece, not exaggerating, go watch the Summer Games Fest once again if you're so incredulous.
>>740897514I don't have to play old games. I can run new games. I'm not stuck 2 generations back and forced to play old junk.
>>740891760>Those are remasters.they are clearly not you subhuman retard
I shall be playing the Code Veronica Remake and the Tomb Raider Remake and the FF7 Remake Part 3 and the Silent Hill 1 Remake next year. I will buy all of them day 1.
>>740897523>sequel to a sequel to a reimaginingnot a remake
>>740897259>Can anyone show me where this is a thing?Pretty every remake before ORAS. Before that the gameplay was the same and the changes and additons were minor and slided alongside QoL. Now you have blatant fake advertising for reimaginations entirely different from the game it supossed to be remaking and cutting content.At least the SotC remake flopped on its own way
>>740876429>>740894671THEN ITS NOT 1:1
>>740892860I never said anything about that. I just said that stuff like the MGS3 thing and Metroid Prime thing and Assassins Creed Black Flag thing are just remasters not remakes as they are still the same games as the originals. Not actual remakes like RE Remakes and SH2 Remake and Zero Mission.
>>740865425>>740865338Daaaaamn
>>740898469It is; gameplay is the defining factor of a videogame. Story shouldn't be altered but if it's in minor details it gets a pass as long as not intrusive deviating from the original.
I still believe the FF7 remake series is actually just a sequel of the original series.i.e. Evangelion bullshit or Half Life Alyx bullshit.
>>740865425OP in fucking shambles
>>740865425Put me in the screencap!
>>740865425someone fire this man
>>740872865>There's no purpose in a remakeExactly
>>740865425FPBP (even though it was just OP samefagging)
>no romance where you can marry the party's onaholerdr2 wins again
How many remakes have been 1:1? I don't think there has been that many.
>>740865425I disagree
>>740865425OP obliterated
>>740865425>100% this
>>740865338>remake is a 1:1 recreationThis doesn't happen though.
>>740892292Gamefreak didn't actually wanted to make it, so they outsourced the remake to another company
>>740865338Give examples of people complaining about faithful remakes? Ports and remasters sell well and get generally positive reception.
Why did we get rid of ip counters again?
>>740901560Trails in the Sky 1st Chapter
>>740865338>remake is a 1:1 recreationWhen has this ever been the case?The only remake I can think of that ever respected the originals was Pokemon Fire Red and Leaf Green. Everything else is always casualized, censored dogshit.
>>740903057direct request of the jeet shill gangs that make 90% of the posts here on behalf of ubishart and shitpenix
>>740903217REmakeKirby SuperStar UltraPokemon HG/SS
>>740871000No fuck off and die.
>>740879192>complains about Anons and what they post on /v/>yet somehow isn't aware of the biggest mockery of all time on /v/ short of ConcordThat's it, post your favorites AnonsHE HAS NO STYLEHE HAS NO GRACE
>>740865425thank mr skeltal
>>740903351>all shit made before 2010Grim.
>>740865338>/v/ is one personthis will never stop being relevant
>>740865425Fipple Bipple
>>740905393Well yeah, ORAS is the point of no return for remakes now and why they suck.
>>740865425Heartgold/Soulsilver is an exception.
>>740865425>he keeps going with his army of botsLonely fag
>take any of the thousands and thousands of ps2 era games that were popular>do nothing else except add functional online multiplayer rather than only splitscreen>release for 20 dollarsthis should be remake culture, instead its pumping a modern release with graphics badly made by indians/AI for 80 dollars and missing features
>>740906593You lost, sloplover
>>740906593t. faggot cocksucking nigger loving tranny kikel spic gook cunt retard shitskin
>>740906593indian calling someone else lonely btw go rape a goat raheem
STOP ASKING FOR REMAKES
>>740865425I can't fucking stop laughing. This nigger really samefagged this to hell for 11 hours
>>740908173>coping this hard
>>740865425MODS WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU WHAT AM I PAYING YOU FOR
>>740908254>made up headcannonWhat did he mean by this?
>>740865425fpbpOP’s dogshit thread about nothing absolutely obliterated
>>740906593>>740908173>project the fact that you're samefagging so you can defend AAA remakes in 2026the most depressed person in the world would be cheered up by your existence
>>740865425fpbp>b-but the modern audiences-fuck'em, if they can't appreciate the classics as they are, they don't deserve them.
>>740887372You're wrong.
