gameplay is even easier and 95% of the music sucks

Trying to charge $34.99 for one of the worst post-game content known to man ruined a lot of good will. At least back then, it was free with FES. They could have spent the time and resources on something cool like early Mitsuru/Akihiko Gaiden or Episode Strega but they decided to roach out instead.

I like both. FES was the one I played at 15 though, so I'm more fond of it. Even if reload is probably better by modern standards.

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>>740892365
Eeeh I'm going through it now. As someone who has gone through the original P3 like 6 times, as a game on its own, P3R is a good game.
As a P3 Remake, it's lacking things. Some of the story was censored. The characters aren't as sassy. Some of the more unique character portraits are just gone. The atmosphere has been changed from the original drastically.
But does all that make it a bad game? No. I'm still having fun with it. It's just not that great a remake.
Also they forgot FeMC. Again. So fuck Atlus in particular.

Grifters pretending to like the original, despite every PS2 Atlus game looking like shit in comparison to FFX/FFXII/Rogue Galaxy/DQ8.

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Every single one of the "R" remakes fucking sucks. P5R, P3R, and soon too P4R.

>>740895428
Common shallow retard take

All I know about it is they made Mass Destruction sound much worse for some reason

>>740894326
Reload is an okay way to experience P3. But they could have easily made decisions with it that could have easily made it less questionable initially at least. Stuff like what you mentioned for those fans if they just wanted one overall best of, having The Answer separate from the main game and being sold separately, not having the original OST available as an option originally at launch, (which they now kind of fixed, by offering some of the songs as options), etc.

>>740892365
I don't think oldheads care about nu-persona that much. these "R" releases are only really meant for zoomers and such. You know, with "modern sensibilities" included.

>>740893057
>Mitsuru/Akihiko Gaiden
You do realize that all these two ever did was kill the odd Shadow that happened to wander out of Tartarus? These events are extremely rare. Even back when Shinjiro was around, they never made it past the first floor of Tartarus. The first time they tried exploring, they realized how difficult it was without a navigator. This forced Mitsuru to stay behind to navigate, meaning only Shinjiro and Akihiko could fight on the front lines. They never even made it to the first Tower Guardian. They never fought anything tougher than a Cowardly Maya.

>Episode Strega
Strega also didn't really do much of anything. They didn't explore Tartarus much (in fact, they had no reason to), and all they ever did was take on hit jobs on regular civilians. You can't make a game out of this.

>>740895975
>You can't make a game out of this.
A DLC scope is a lot smaller than a full game's scope. It would fit well as a narrative DLC

It's P5R wearing 3's skin.

>>740896449
So you just want, like, a visual novel where Takaya talks nonsense, Jin blindly agrees with everything he says and Chidori doesn't really give a shit either way?

It's honestly funny when you think about it. Prior to the protagonist's arrival in Port Island, nothing happened for like two years.

So like in the first year of SEES' formation, Mitsuru, Akihiko and Shinjiro were like "Okay, we have three guys. We can do this. Let's explore Tartarus." They took two steps in, realized they were WAY in over their heads and just kinda stopped. They decided that they could try again after finding more members. Sometime after this, Shinjiro accidentally kills Ken's mom and leaves. It was a significant incident, but it was also the only one. Because they were down by one member, it mostly dashed their hopes of exploring Tartarus. It took two years to find another member, Yukari. Yukari, however, was a pussy who was too scared to summon her Persona of her own will. The first time she ever summoned was in that first Tartarus mission. Even if she WASN'T a pussy, they still only had three members. They needed at least one more. And that's when the protagonist showed up.

The third years are treated as experienced badasses, but they did almost NOTHING for the two years they were active.

P3P>P3R>P3FES

>>740895428
Fuck you nigger P3 FES, Rogue Galaxy, DQ8, KH2, and Suikoden V are my favorite childhood games.

>>740892365
Have it all been enjoying the “P4R looks so bad, why isn’t it good like P3R” schizophrenic threads? It’s old good new bad on the most insane scale.

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>>740897201
If you think about it, the third years had it really rough for their team synergy.
>Mitsuru's persona was mostly support, if she forgo her navigator abilities they'd get lost.
>Shinjiro can barely control his Persona
>Akihiko despite being the most capable of the three was more hot-tempered in his youth, prone to mindless fighting and not much strategizing.
Finding Yukari wasn't much use when the synergy was wack to begin, it was the Protagonist leadership that allowed the third year's abilities to shine for the first time. (The movies also show that the protagonist strategy is more prone to risk-taking, which contributed to their rapid climbing of the tower once he joined.)

>>740897535
P3P fucking sucks. The female main character doesn't impact the story you don't even get a new ending.

>>740897959
Her side of the story is quite different but does lead to the same conclusion.
Personally I like hers the best.

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>>740892365
>why the does the contrarian board hate the mainstream version of a game that was liked by contrarians

>>740897959
Way to out yourself secondary

>>740895975
>killed the odd shadow that wandered out of tartar
That's a shit ton of content right there. They probably saved many lives and grew together as a team risking theirs.
>Strega didn't do much of anything
What? Takaya is quoted in Reload going over their many exploits wandering the Dark Hour, their illegal hit jobs, black market drug trafficking, and survival on the streets.
Both would have been infinitely less boring than the boring slogfest that is The Answer/Episode Aegis.

>>740897959
Femc has good music.

>>740892365
Can any newheads explain to me why they would spend $60 plus hundreds of dollars on hardware for what is by definition a worse version (remake) of a game they claim to like but refuse to take 5 seconds to download and emulate?
What did they even change aside from censoring the script, redoing the music, and plastering P5 assets all over the place?

>>740893057
>At least back then, it was free with FES
This is so disingenuous it's not even funny.

>>740898102
It's kinda cringe because literally everyone turns into a simp.

>>740895975
Akihiko could handle shadow fodder by himself, being described "highly capable" at that point. They probably failed at the floor boss if I was to guess. A dlc exploring how they struggled to reach that point and how grueling Tarturus was without the arrival of a messiah-like wild card would be interesting.

>>740898592
These are rare. And also generally weak. The gameplay would consist if Mitsuru going "Hey, there's a Shadow wandering somewhere on So-and-So Street". Akihiko goes out, kills it, comes back home. Incidents like that seem to happen like once a month.

Also none of what you're talking about meshes with P3's gameplay systems. What are you gonna do, start a battle, Takaya shoots the guy once, fight ends, rinse and repeat? What you want is a book, not a game.

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>>740897959
it technically does since you could pick any of the boys to meet you on the roof instead of Aigis

>>740898901
No, they never actually reached the boss. They gave up on the tutorial floor.

>>740898790
FES lauched brand new at $29.99, for a physical copy. That's the full ass game plus extra content. How on God's green earth, is that disingenuous?

>>740892496
>made even easier
A convenient lie
>music sucks
An opinion, color of your night is phenomenal

>>740893057
While you are correct about the price being too high, fes + original is $120 so buying this is technically no different. I wouldn’t praise full priced re-releases like FES if you are going to criticize this. The “gaidens” you get are the male sees linked episodes which are all very good and the party member hangouts, all very good and fun as well. You get plenty of new bosses to experience thanks to the new monad mechanic.

>>740895595
Good thing you don’t listen to it most of the time if at all. I agree with you that it sounds worse but I don’t think its ruined either. The new battle theme is also a banger imo.

>>740892365
Most if it is by shitposters who will cherrypick certain scenes that don’t matter (like the animated scene of the random npc guy that enters the dark hour) and make bad faith arguments about things like the dorm lighting or saying the game is easier even though it is objectively harder, with theurgy and all, infact they turned on the resource management to 11 if you don’t know about sp drinks the early game on merciless is absolutely brutal whereas fes has free sp recovery everytime you go to the first floor of tartarus and the tiredness mechanic can be completely made pointless even by accident by simply visiting tartarus the day before a full moon.

>>740898952
Maybe if it was written like shit as you're heavily assuming they would.

Eh I'll only get the game once the femc mod is done. Either that or wait for decompilation of the original game.

It messed up the tone of the original game and made it more cheerful and sterile.

>>740899207
This was all established in the game itself. Shadows that leave Tartarus are extremely rare. We know this for a fact. And they're usually not that strong, either.

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>>740892365
they changed the graphics and animations making it soulless in comparison
the music is worse too but there's probably a mod for that

the idea you need flashy graphics for the VN it basically is, is so fucking braindead. Just emulate FES, there are mods to add in the controllable party mates that zoomies seem to care so much about

>>740899083
Everyone that bought P3 at launch had to spend an extra $30 for the expansion. It's literally no different than what they did with P3R.

>>740899263
False. If it was extremely, why does Mitsuru comment that Akihiko is constantly staying in fighting shape taking on shadows on his own to the point of being worried that he's going to one day get himself seriously hurt/killed. He and Shinjiro obviously had little trouble finding shadows during the dark hour up until the mc's arrival.

>>740898786
You can hang out with the older members more which I liked. There’s a couple of cool new Tartaraus things like the challenge rooms anddddd…..yeah that’s it. But hey, it’s something. Still think they fucked with the ambiance too much.

>>740898953
Poor Junpei.

>>740899372
That's subjective. "It was free with FES" is not disingenuous. Its a fact.

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>>740892365
yes the PS2 had some superior aesthetics in some places but theres nothing wrong with it at all, in fact i'd say making The Answer an optional side story you have to opt into makes it a better package overall

>>740899530
Fuuka says as much. After Koromaru awakens to his Persona fending off a Shadow, if you speak to Fuuka, she'll comment that it's rare. It does happen, but it's really uncommon. It's SO uncommon that outside of Full Moon fights, it only happens once across the entire game.

This is also why it takes almost no time at all for Junpei and Yukari to catch up to Akihiko while he's recovering.

>>740899708
Being true and being disingenuous aren't mutually exclusive.

>>740899893
Also, you're not gonna find legions of Shadows outside like you would in Tartarus. Even if you do run into a Shadow outside, it's probably gonna be alone. You can't build a dungeon out of that, and there wouldn't be any boss fights either since nothing that makes their way outside is gonna be as strong as a Tower Guardian.

There are now like 4 different version of Persona 3 and nobody can agree which one is the best one

>>740900165
because it's not a simple answer, for someone who has no knowledge of Persona 3 reload is just fine, for someone who already has beaten the hell out of FES reload becomes superfluous

>>740900165
It's between FES and Reload. The other two don't matter.

>>740892365
P3fags finally played their game for the first time and realized it was as shit as everyone else told them it was.

>They should have given away The Answer for free
You guys do know that it cost money to make that, right?

>>740899987
Their preparation and everything that leads up to the failure to defeat what inevitably stalls their progress is more than enough to work with.

>>740900508
nah it rules

>>740899928
How is something grounded factual truth, being even slightly dishonest?

>>740900660
No it's not. Anon, Persona 3's gameplay only has so many legs. It's Social Links and dungeon crawling. You're asking for a mode with neither.

>>740892365
Sega is just mihoyo at this point with gross unnecessary changes to make the money laundering machine look busy

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>>740892365
I just hate remakes. I don't think young people deserve good games.

>>740892496
It's better from a compositional standpoint. I can actually make out the lyrics + It's going down now is amazing.

>>740899770
>i'd say making The Answer an optional side story you have to opt into makes it a better package overall
The Answer was always optional. It's a standalone campaign. You don't know anything.

I strongly feel P3 with party control is an insult to life itself.

>>740892365
I just hate that it wasn't the definitive P3. Should've fused Portable with FES. So basically FES but with FEMC route.

>>740901212
I think you feel too strongly about it and should probably tone down your excessive feelings towards video games.

>>740901240
They said the reason they didn't do that was because FeMC's budget would have been too large. FeMC's inclusion would have probably cost an additional $30 entirely on its own, completely separate from The Answer. The reason it was never on the table is because the costs outweigh the gains.

>>740892365
lyrics changed, can longer YOU WILL CUM ALL OVER ME

>>740900809
Because FES wasn't the original release dummy. Anyone that bought the game on launch like me got burned by having to pay for The Answer later.

>>740892365
Taturus is 200 floors of dogshit and 95% of the game.

You know you can just play it for free. D3nuvo got cracked

>>740900920
And Episode Aegis has SL's? All it has is a barebones smt style dungeon slogfest. An idea I had for example, is a Mitsuru/Aki/Shinjiro prequel where you save lives from shadows across Tatsumi PI trying to kill who would eventually become P3 Social Links.

>>740898901
>encounter shadows that resist/invul to Zio/Bufu
It's pretty funny how completely fucked even progressing would be without MC's wild card bullshit.

>>740901609
It has a dungeon. I'm not saying it's better. What I'm saying is that any DLC that gets made for P3 can ONLY utilize gameplay foundations that already exist. P3 ONLY has Tartarus and Social Links. So any DLC that gets made MUST utilize at least one or the other. You can't have a DLC that has neither, because then you're left with no DLC.

>>740901414
that sucks lmao

Does Reload change anything storywise?

>>740901335
The franchise fucking prints money, but we just can't put in more effort.

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The game is better when it comes to combat and Tartarus in general but everything else is lacking. I had to install this many mods and fine tune a custom reshade to get the colours the way they should be.

>>740901335
In other words
"We're lazy and want money but not if it requires effort"

>>740901747
Everything is profit oriented after all. The producer out and out stated that the reason that The Answer was chosen over FeMC was because The Answer is explicitly cheaper. FeMC on her own is more expensive than The Answer.

>>740901817
I don't even think it's effort. They just don't want to pay the money to bring back three VAs, and also revoice every voice line that refers to the protagonist's gender. FeMC would actually be less effort than The Answer, it's just that it would cost more.

>>740892365
There’s really nothing wrong with it
They bizarrely released P3P untouched and made it available on the same platforms, so you can’t really get mad that Reload changed the writing in some areas
The gameplay changes are all rooted in P5, and it does play better, but if you want the Portable experience, it’s there
(And of course you can emulate FES if party control bothers you)
Without a doubt the most egregious thing about the 3 and 4 remakes is the absurd pricing + dlc, but these go on sale so often you can’t almost forget it
At the end of the day, it’s still a really fucking good game, and you have ways of legally and illegally playing originals/older versions

>>740892365
looks worse, sounds worse, censored, casualized

I demand an update that gives Thanatos a Theurgy.

>>740898592
Strega waited for the Dark Hour and shot defenceless people in coffins, that's something you show once as they did for context, not something you can make a game around.

>>740902187
thats what mods are for anon

>>740902269
It needs to look good.

>>740900165
Vanilla is entirely supplanted by FES and Portable is irrelevant if you don't plan on fucking Akihiko. If male fag then it's either FES or Reload.

>>740902684
Portable was really helped by actually being portable. If you're just playing shit on PC nowadays there is no point in it.

>>740902684
>Portable is irrelevant
FEMC route is the only thing that makes P3 bearable to play. They should have just remade that and not the dogshit original game that's beyond saving, as proven by how even its own fans still aren't satisfied after the FOURTH version of it.

>>740902929
>Game is only good if I can get Senpai's cock in me.

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Persona 3's biggest issues were
>Tartarus was repetitive dogshit
>Winter is fucking boring and there's nothing to do
>social links were really poorly written, a lot of ranks had you read like 3 lines of dialogue before a rank up and nothing happened
>Strega and Ikutsuki barely have any scenes or details for their motives
>Abyss of Time was Tartarus 2
Reload gave Strega like 4 new scenes and fixed none of the other problems while significantly dumbing down the gameplay and ruining a good chunk of the soundtrack. The Answer was paid DLC and by skipping P3P content they basically made it so that there still isn't a definitive version of the game.

I don't really get why people love P3P so much. I found the interactions kinda cringe. At one point, Mitsuru calls you "adorable". It's painful. The game tries so hard to make you feel beloved that it's just kind of obnoxious. It has all the flaws of P4, except somehow worse.

>>740899372
Back then you could trade in the original and put it towards the new game.

>>740903209
It annoys me that P3R doesn't let you use other weapon types. If it gave me the chance, I'd ditch Lucifer's Blade for Masakado's Katana in a heartbeat. None of the protagonist's final weapons are very good.

>>740903131
Mostly troons and yurifags.

>>740903490
The game doesn't even let you eat out Yukari, it's worthless on the yuri end.

>>740898953
Based Junpei for rejecting the pedo advances in him

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I'm a guy that played the first four Persona games around release date (rented the first one and burned it to CD with a disc burner on the family computer) and I think the remake is probably fine for what it is.
It's not meant for people like me, but reaching new fans. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug so it's not possible for any remake to be as good as the game that existed in the past when times were better.

>>740903814
It's not nostalgia that says the original game is better when the remake/remaster is half assed by diversity hires that can only use unreal. Remasters are almost always just lazy, they lack the spark the original games tend to have.
P3R isn't that much different than FFX HD, it's basically the same game but it hits worse.

>>740903209
Yeah and get like $5 if you were lucky and signed up for all sorts of stupid shit.

>>740904447
>P3R isn't that much different than FFX HD
Now that's a stupid comparison if I've ever heard one.

>>740904447
Yeah, I agree that remasters pretty much by definition lack the original essence.The value of the original is just hard to quantify when you hand it to a bunch of unconnected people to build as if it were an easy blueprint.
It's probably better than nothing, though. They won't figure out emulators and old physical games are now a rich man's hobby.

>>740898858
As they should. She is one hell of a woman.

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>>740892365
I like the remake more than OG.
It made me actually cry, OG didn't

>>740904958
Eh. She's an 8/10 in a game covered in 11/10s.

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>>740898953
>FemMC fags just want to be a girl and fuck little boys
Why am i not surprised

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>>740905069
Same scene in question

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>>740905252
webm

>>740903018
I'm sorry you're a cringe manchild who self-inserts into games. FeMC route is better because the social links are actually good like 4 and 5's, and the characters (especially Junpei) are improved along with them. And FeMC has better dialogue options that give her somewhat of a personality. It is essentially Atlus taking what they had learned from making P4 and using it to improve P3, making the base game obsolete by comparison.

>>740905464
No, the Social Links are shit. Akihiko's mini-link in P3R beats the fuck out of his S.Link in P3P.

>>740905464
>I'm sorry you're a cringe manchild who self-inserts into games
>the social links are actually good like 4 and 5's
You don't self-insert but you prefer the later writing where every character sucks the player character's dick just for existing?

>>740904892
It isn't and I was careful with my words. It hits worse period, there's no good argument against that concrete fact.

>>740904925
You can quantify it just by looking at the development time for starters. There are dozens or hundreds of people working on the original game for years, and then the remaster has a much smaller team working on it for a much shorter time, basically just copy and pasting stuff without ever thinking about why it exists or how it should be framed and even if they are thinking about how they should remaster a part they don't have enough time to actually polish that because the suits told gave you a short dev time and you have a job to do.

They're just fundamentally worse products like 99% of the time but especially in a game like this imo.

In this case I agree that it's better than nothing but at the same time I don't because it just encourages more shitty remakes. They already ported p3p (WHY) too, they should have just ported FES and done a good job with it. That retains the soul of the original but the publishers are greedy and want retards that like gimmicky graphical updates and shit.

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>>740905252
t. 5

>>740906059
1

>>740905738
I wasn't aware P3R was a remaster made with beta assets.

>>740906309
You're illiterate so you're failing to understand my sentence, try reading the full thing this time. And FFX wasn't using beta assets.

>>740906689
I understood your sentence just fine. Only a retard would conflate a remake with a remaster.

>>740908891
You didn't. This is funny.

after beating everything fes had to offer i gotta say, the combat sucks ass, its not fun to micromanage your party every turn just so mitsuru doesnt cast marin carm or sum bs. the only explanation for ppl liking this is nostalgia or severe mental illness

censored garbage

>>740905409
That smile just makes her a 10/10

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>>740892365
It's not p3
It's p5 with a p3 skin

Someone post the remake vs fes Aigis webm

>>740892365
Genuinely there isn't much of anything wrong with P3R beyond either some spotty areas in terms of graphics and subjective feelings about the music. It's a pretty faithful remake outside the combat, and I don't think anyone's clamoring for no party control.

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>>740892365
can't give the MC boxing gloves to fight shadows with brohiko.

>>740895667
how does it sound worse?

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>>740910007
The little flashbacks they gave to the scene makes it a just a bit extra heartbreaking

>>740910802
>I don't think anyone's clamoring for no party control.
Speak for yourself. It dramatically elevates the game.

>>740895595
How much money does Fortnite pay out that people are okay seeing their IPs mocked like this.

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KWAB

>>740913759
Nobody buys physical anymore retard

>>740892365
Unnecessary cash grab

>>740892365
>the virgin control you party members vs the chad party member heals the final boss for max hp

>>740892365
I hated it at first, but then I pirated it and it ended up being the definitive version of P3 for me. It's just superior to the original in many ways except the voice acting.

>>740914521
>except the voice acting.
Its the same actors

>>740914842
What? No it's not. P3R has a totally different main voice cast.

>>740914842
?

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>>740892365
and

>>740910802
You underestimate the level of retardation purists are on. Theres even a retard in this very thread calling the game a remaster and making absolutely wild comparisons, you cannot get anymore delusional than that.

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I only played the original once so I don't really remember if anything was changed, I enjoyed the remake more probably. The gameplay for the original was really bad

>>740915835
>>740916208
Talking about the JP voice actors. No one cares about your westoid dubs

>>740916965
>>740916914
Here's the thing. I do think the original game had more interesting cutscenes. But I also feel that those cutscenes are just completely unsynchronized with the rest of the game. The animated cutscenes have this sort of weird, dream-like quality to them, almost as though you've been transported to another dimension. But the actual game is nothing like that. The game and cutscenes do not feel like they belong to the same title.

>>740892365
Sure, here's the laundry list
>gameplay mechanics like split-up are cut
>protag cannot equip multiple weapons
>most fusion skills are cut
>random equipment effects are cut
>tactics system is gutted
>almost no equipment can be found in random tartarus chests anymore, and most of your total exp earned is obtained from bosses, so there is no incentive to explore tartarus
>the entire postgame monad depths is cut
>all tartarus boss fights and nyx avatar are totally neutered
>many environments look worse, the evening lighting in the dorm is outright bugged
>persona and skill progression is utterly fucked and unbalanced, you can get endgame skills in midgame
>passive skill balance is totally fucked and bosses can be one-shotted with theurgy
>lots of optional dialogue is cut, major cutscenes like junpei opening up about his backstory are replaced
>lots of elizabeth requests are cut and replaced, many are missing dialogue
>many weapon models are cut, some weapons have outright incorrect models
>many cutscenes are missing animations, like jin's final scene

It's a better game in every conceivable way but the light in the lobby is too bright and they removed 2 lines of dialogue regarding trannies from my 100 hour JRPG so therefore it's le bad!

>>740917809
>entire post is lies except a single point

i just think the og looks better than the remake

>>740917809
I’m amazed at how far people go to grift about this game just because they don’t like the graphics for some reason. You are quite literally lying about everything except the protagonist being unable to equip multiple weapons. You people are actually insane.

I liked the movie desu. Not a drop-in replacement for the game though. All the other persona animes are dogshit.

>>740916914
>>740916965
>>740917795
This, watching the cutscenes feel like you're watching Serial Experiment Lain.
While the game itself is just your typical JRPG.
It's a big tone clasher for sure.

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>>740917989
this guy gets it

>>740892365
>reload LARPers will unironically defend this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6SgC9-Ez3I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgXPbIMKyyk

>>740918186
so pretty

>>740918187
Unironically, Reload's cutscenes fit better. Original cutscenes feel more like they should be from an artsy 90s OVA.

>>740918238
>explains why the original is better but says it isn't
???

>>740918187
I don't remember the original looking so ugly. Nostalgia is a hell of a thing

>>740918238
>Original cutscenes feel more like they should be from an artsy 90s OVA.
you people genuinely have no soul

>>740898953
kek

>>740918304
Reload was made for people who didn't actually like Persona 3, like this anon.

>>740918263
>>740918331
Being better is the problem. The cutscenes have the feel of a better story than what the game actually delivers. Reload's cutscenes match the quality of the rest of the game.

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>>740892365
Persona 3 was the first Persona game I played through from beginning to end with very minimal breaks in-between, and even though I found the older titles appealing (and playable on my hacked PSP at the time), P3P was truly a special experience.

As far as P3R is concerned, I don't see a massive issue with it. I like the new music, I think the Answer is garbage so I don't care that it's DLC, because it's garbage. I'm not particularly bothered by less anime cutscenes in the game. I'm also not bothered by FeMC's (female route from P3P) absence. This is, in my mind, the definitive version of Persona 3, and I don't really give a fuck about the naysayers and whiners on /v/ of all places.

I genuinely think the negativity is more of a general "old thing good, new thing bad" if the reactions to the Ocarina of Time remake announcement are anything to go by.

>WHY DOES THIS GAME NEED TO BE REMADE
>WE HAD A REMAKE OF THIS GAME ALREADY
>IT'S GONNA BE SOULLESS SLOP
etc

Anyway, fuck them. They can eat shit as far as I'm concerned. I liked Persona 3 Reload, and I am very excited for Persona 4 Revival.

>>740892365
the pacing is as shit is it was in the original. the gameplay doesn't make me want to pull out my hair as much as the original, but the novelty of the dungeon crawling overhaul just makes the gameplay bearable, not good.

>>740918345
There's minimal animation and all those parts where it's just a white background are dumb. Thanatos coming out looks amazing though compared to remake

>>740918462
They say those things because they do not understand the difference between an enhanced re-release, a port, a remaster, and a remake.
I even read some post in this thread comparing p3r to the ffx remaster and actually acting like a smug and more intellectual person for making such a ridiculous comparison. I don’t know if its oldfag larpers or if my generation is truly full of such retards but its kind of eye opening to see

>>740918567
>Thanatos coming out looks amazing though compared to remake
Good, you're figuring it out.

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>>740917652
I'm upset they didn't give us a P4 Arena Mitsuru costume

>>740892365
they took out a lot of animations that the original had. It seems like a total waste for the original to be more fluid and properly animated and the supposed remake meant to punch up the production values to be more static and shitty.

The original had much better artistic direction too, and better shot choices and colour design in the cutscene direction.

Worst of all, there's no female mc option. They straight up removed it.

Personally I just find it really annoying that they phoned it in and produced such an intensely lazy version of the game instead of trying to make a more definitive version, one with clear improvements over the other versions in more ways. The fact that you have to go to other versions of the games if you want particular things is ridiculous. Do you want femc? Gotta play P3P. Do you want a more balanced game and the best artistic direction? You have to play the original P3. What are we even doing here man.

>>740918604
I love how you're so mad that I called you out on being illiterate that I'm already living rent free inyour mind. I said they weren't that different because they're both basically the same game but they hit worse.

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>>740918753
>What are we even doing here man.
fleecing npcs

>>740918604
>They say those things because they do not understand the difference between an enhanced re-release, a port, a remaster, and a remake.
There's definitely truth to that, but also it's just irritating when I see some dumbass say
>WE DON'T NEED A REMAKE OF THIS GAME

Which is hilariously stupid. Obviously we don't need a remake of a videogame. We don't need videogames period. It's a hobby, not a necessity. But even the
>IT LACKS SOVL
mantra is just dumb to me. I get it. You're nostalgic for chunky low-rez models and textures. I have nostalgia for the Dreamcast era. But that doesn't mean P3R is somehow artistically inept or lesser than the original.

>>740918753
>they phoned it in
lol
lmao, even

we're going to be in this remake era of video games forever aren't we

>>740918753
Original cutscenes were 360p. Given that the game came out in 2007, there's a good chance they didn't have anything better saved. They would have been unusable for a modern game, unless you're okay with AI upscales.

>>740918892
>atlus is just incapable of animating new cutscenes now

>>740918862
>mantra is just dumb to me. I get it. You're nostalgic for chunky low-rez models and textures. I have nostalgia for the Dreamcast era. But that doesn't mean P3R is somehow artistically inept or lesser than the original.
The animation work and cutscene direction is objectively inferior in quality. Ergo it is soulless. Inarguably. Because it's a lower effort work.

same people that will tell you the demon souls remake is better than the original

>>740918942
They did. Original cutscenes were by A1, but I guess they're not partnered anymore.

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lmao

>>740919059
>LITERALLY NO SHADOWS

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>>740918981
>it's objectively inferior becaue I said it is, and you can't argue that it isn't inferior... because you can't, okay!?
Yeah that's a really thoughtful and salient position, anon. You'd be an ace on the debate team.

At any rate, I don't remember asking. You're welcome to be bitter and unhappy all you like. I enjoyed P3R, and I imagine I'll enjoy P4R just as much if not more so.

>>740918806
Im a different anon, your reply makes you sound even more fucking retarded. Persona 3 Reload was quite literally made from scratch, a game like ff10 remaster is not. You are completely ignorant and full of yourself. I recommend getting a basic understanding of things before spouting bullshit

>>740918948
Reload is better just for the character models. These look terrible

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>>740919059
I have never been able to find it but someone ported that room to P5 and it looked pretty good... hire fans etc

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do we really need this pic again

>>740892365
No Vic, No Buy

>>740919084
>I'm a different but equally illiterate retard
I bet you aren't.
>Persona 3 Reload was quite literally made from scratch, a game like ff10 remaster is not.
No one said otherwise, you illiterate retard. I said that they're not the much different(read: not the same) because the games are basically the same but hit worse.
What the fuck went wrong with your education? Why can't you read?

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>>740919126
All I need to see to know that you’re a complete fucking retard is that you’re bringing Aigis and Koromaru to the Hermit boss that uses elec attacks and nulls dark.

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soul \ soulless simple as

>>740919126
That green filter they used in the remake really killed the vibe of the game

>>740919259
Probably modeled after the movies.

>>740919204
Unfortunately for you, even if you don’t believe it, its true, that anon had the right of it when he stopped replying to you because you are utterly hopeless.
Except thats not what you initially said you’re just damage controlling and in p3s case they are not the same, they just use the same story. A game isn’t just its script, theres level design, gameplay, combat design, and a myriad of other things. P3r isn’t the exact same experience as p3fes. Ffx remaster is the exact same experience as the old ffx international but with upscaled graphics. You’re nothing but a dishonest scumbag and a hypocrite.

>>740918862
Hey man, don't blame the fans for noticing that the older games have lots of content that the new game couldn't be bothered to include. Go direct your complaints at atlus, not the people who noticed atlus couldn't be fucked to do their jobs

>>740919240
>too yellow
>Just right
>control prompts at all times like they think the player is retarded

>>740892365
Its all a grift from a handful of contrarian posters, one in particular stands out he always namefags in these threads.

>>740919343
You are so laughably pathetic. Still trying to argue against a point I didn't make. You haven't even attempted to refute my statement that they both hit worse which is where they are the same. Learn to fucking read you dishonest retard.
>but with upscaled graphics
Remade graphics, but worse*.

I think the reason people prefer FeMC is because her route is more P4-like. It's a little brighter, bubblier, the characters are generally less abrasive and much more positive all around, they even replaced the singer with P4's.

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>>740919467
soulless poster detected

>>740919547
I am not refuting that point because
1. Thats an opinion not a fact and I do not agree with it
2. How they feel has nothing to do with the actual facts here that p3r is not the “same game” as p3fes because they are different experiences as I already said unlike ffx’s case
You are simply dodging the point because you don’t have one other than whatever vague opinionated delusions you have about the graphics.
Like I said you are fucking hopeless and your goal is to wrap other people in your delusion.

>>740919583
I don't think people played as her at all, only troons did.

>>740919682
So now that you understand the simple sentence you're pretending your stance was to argue with me over something I didn't say. Because that makes sense. Based fucking retard.

>>740892365
FUCK TARTARSAUCE FLOORS! holy shit grinding through the floors is so fucking mind numbingly boring its insane

>>740919126
How can you even fuck up everything this hard?

>>740892365
Because I hate the original P3, overrated trash for pretentious, underage edgelords.

Reminder that both Orpheus and Thanatos are the protagonist's "first Personas". Thanatos is stronger, but that doesn't matter. He awoke to both at the same time. Thanatos is legitimately the protagonist's Persona because it was born from his Shadow. Or rather, it was born from ONE of his Shadows. Death is a Shadow; the game explicitly tells us this. When Aigis sealed Death into the protagonist ten years ago, she was essentially shoving a Shadow into him. The protagonist had two Shadows for ten years, and for that duration, it became a core part of him and his psyche. This is why when the protagonist awoke to Orpheus, he also awoke to Thanatos. The process of awakening to your Persona ability involves your Shadow transforming into your Persona. Since the protagonist had two Shadows, that means he awakens to two Personas.

The reason the protagonist was unable to control Thanatos was because he failed to "face it" properly. The protagonist, unaware of what had happened to him, was unable to properly acknowledge his second Shadow. But once Pharos started materializing and the protagonist was able to communicate with him, he basically began a process of confronting, acknowledging, understanding and accepting his second Shadow. By forming a Social Link with his second Shadow and taking it to its conclusion, he became able to summon it at will.

This is also why the protagonist is able to use Fusion Spells. Two Shadows means he can summon two Personas at the same time. His soul adapted to the presence of two Shadows, so even after Pharos leaves, this adaptation still sticks around. His soul is "special", transformed as a result of those ten years. The reason Aigis struggles with this ability (in The Answer, her body twitches whenever she uses Fusion Skills) is because her soul ISN'T adapted for this. She never had two Shadows. She only had one. But because she inherited the protagonist's Persona ability, she also inherited his Theurgies without the adaptation.

>>740906059
>this version is better because I imagined it being better
lmao

I'm honestly just tired of remakes and developers wasting their time and money on them.

If the original is good enough to remake, then don't bother and just play the original.

If the original is dogshit, then just make a new game.

>>740922212
It was never about that. While remakes are certainly lucrative, there's another reason they keep getting made: games take too long to produce these days. Remakes, on the other hand, can be churned out much more quickly while also guaranteeing a decent profit. They revealed P6 simultaneously with the new trailer for P4R. That already shows that two different teams are working on them. P6 is probably still a ways off, but they can throw out P4R as a gap filler.

I'd imagine this strategy will keep getting used over a long period of time. Because here's the reality: most zoomers don't play old games. There are people who will play a remake despite never having played the original. In fact, it's not unlikely for new players to OUTNUMBER older ones. Yeah, P4G exists. Yeah, it's freely available. But it's very likely that the sales for P4R on Steam and consoles will quickly surpass those of P4G. Because, again, the majority of zoomers don't play old games. From their perspective, a remake may as well just be a brand new game.

>>740922793
I never played the original 3 cause I dropped it cause it sucked and I played the remake and I also dropped it cause it sucks.

P3 fucking sucks, fuck you shills for pretending it's anything but garbage.

>>740923010
It gets good in December

>>740918753
The art direction for reload is absolutely inferior to the original, it's like they consistently FAIL to identify the point of the scene or animation they are recreating, and obscure the problem by covering it with flashy lights and extended sequences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2R0xLeCAGc
is a great example
All of the evoker animations are missing something, this video especially. The characters also seem to do some awkward jerk when they fire their evoker that feels like it was outsourced to Indians. Of course, larpers and idiots are distracted by flashy light shows and pretty UI animations, so it's all perfect in their eyes

>>740892365
Every remake of an old Japanese video game feels sterile. Everything that we liked as teenagers is deemed too problematic and sensitive for the twitter/discord crowd.

The same reason I'm turned off by western video games is being pushed into all these remakes. The last three JRPGs that I feel kept their Japanese identity are Xenoblade 2, Dragon Quest XI and Persona 5

>>740892365
they're just mad that the game is mainstream and widely accessible now

>>740923386
>this is a good thing for some reason

>>740892365
The only problem I had was the difficulty.
Everything from the looks, to the music to the style is all subjective, but the difficulty being easier is an objective downgrade.

>>740919098
>>740899359
Do you have any of the culture clubs? I always went photography

>>740919789
Still better than P5 dungeons lol

>>740924747
No? What a retarded post.

>>740924808
nigga why do you think everyone shits on P5's dungeons and mementos with all the babby tier puzzles and endless filler?

>>740924850
No? When everyone talks about things that suck in 3 they always bring up Tartarus as by far the worst part of the entire game. Dungeons are not even a criticism in P5. Contrarian faggot, shut the fuck up.

Weirdly enough, P3R's script is generally more accurate to JP P3P.

botched art direction
colors and aesthetics aren't a technical limitation

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>>740925025
It's not that weird, 3P was the "latest" version of the script
What's weird is that you think they'd check FES's script once or twice to see if they did anything different for a reason

>>740892365
Normal mode P3 is harder than merciless Reload. How the fuck does that work?

>>740925352
You played Normal P3 when you were a retard obviously.

>>740925352
swimming is usually more difficult when someone binds your hands together

>>740892365
>Woke faggot rainbow shit in 2000s
>Gutted script/tranny localization
Imagine defending this slop

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>>740892365
I hate it because I wanted Persona 3 not 5.

>>740892365
No one hates P3R except jeetas.

>>740929724
ok saar

>>740918847
>>740918186

Pure soul man. It just makes you feel there's some unbearable weight on your shoulders

>>740892365
It's much easier, and there's some aesthetic sense missing from it but I can't quite pinpoint what. I don't hate it though, as far as remakes go it's fine.

I don't know why people hate P3R.
The fact that you can actually control your party natively sets it leagues above the original.

>>740929849
Good morning, Ranjeet.

>>740931631
there's something to be said about Marin 'Mitsuru' Karin, it's memorable

>>740935564
>Full Assault
>Knock Down
Anyway

>>740931631
That's a downgrade. Lack of full party control lets you more fully inhabit the MC and strengthens the social elements.

>>740931631
midwit take as usual

>>740924850
this niggas smoking some good shit