Obvious bait thread. Everyone below me is trans

>>740919707
Steamxisters, it's over. No more yachts for our God...

>>740919707
>beat the Rothschilds
>get sued to eternity

>>740919707
>valve controls 85% of PC market
Due to other store incompetence and constantly shooting their own foot
>30% cut on games sales
Apple and google did the same and everyone is sleeping

Is there any evidence of them doing monopolistic tactics?

>>740919707
Sweeney is such a goofball

How does valve control 85% when roblox, minecraft, fortnite, league, wow, and valo arent on it?

>>740919898
Yes, Tim Sweeney doesn't have the megayacht and love of millions that he's owed

>>740919707
>220million
pfft, so half a speedboat from one of his twenty yachts, yep its so over...

>>740919934
you just posted a bunch of phone games.

>>740919934
those don't count

>>740919707
When devs put their games on platforms who take a lower cut, they charge the same price and just pocket the difference instead of lowering said price.
This does nothing for consumers, only devs.

>>740919898
Zero. In a certain sense they could be considered a natural monopoly but that is only because their competition keep shooting themselves in the foot. Price matching is not monopolistic behaviour and if it was then pretty much every retail chain would be guilty.

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>>740919707
This is why timmy tencent hates Gabe btw, he fears for his life.

>>740919992
This.

In what fucking world will devs pass on the lower cut to consumers? They bitch at the 30% because they want MORE money. Not because they want to sell their games cheaper lmao.

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>>740919707
>Uses rules that make it harder for developers to sell games cheaper on other platforms
Why use this fague terminology, name is the supposed rules in place
Oh wait
Valve has no such mandate, nothing stops you from selling your game cheaper on EGS or GoG
Unless you want to specifically undercut Valve on the sale of Steamkeys wich is obviously retarded

>>740919707
Wouldn't the high 30% cut encourage more competition?

>>740919992
This is the ultimate determining factor from a pure capitalistic standpoint. The average consumer doesn't give two fucks about the dev share and is only concerned about the final price, for which the added environment features get factored into. Unless your price is lower by a certain threshold people won't even consider buying on another platform if it is between buying on Steam or buying somewhere else. And even then plenty will take that as a sign the devs themselves as fuckwits and just pirate instead. If you can't offer your game on the leading platform (that has all the bells and whistles) for a reasonable price then you aren't worth paying for.

DLsite supreme

>>740919707
>be consumer-first
>greedy kikes kvetch that it's unfair

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>>740919707
>the group says it will first try to reach a settlement with valve and if that fails, drag it out in court for years
i'm generally all for making corporations bleed, but what a waste of the court's time and resources these litigious blackmail cases are
they're not actually trying to improve things for consumers, they're just trying to make money, literally the dictionary definition of a shyster
cases like this should take into account if you tried to extort the company beforehand with no intention of changing their business practices for everybody, and if so, you get your case dismissed immediately

>>740920358
>consumer first
>shut down FPS police

>>740920186
30% isn't really high when you consider it is a one time lifetime support fee on a global high speed distribution network that is basically fire and forget for the publisher. On top of it including supporting any number of value adds to the consumer such as the Workshop or forums. Having a singular hub to post game updates on without the player having to actually enter game itself is also already a significant factor in player engagement and retention that is too often discounted offhand.

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>>740919707
GOG sells games cheaper already, these niggers are dishonest retards.

>>740920420
Bruh they are most likely Rothschild backed, this shouldn't be a surprise at all at this point.

>>740919898
if you use steam keys you can't price your games lower on other platforms

>>740920525
You can though, as long as you price match on Steam. Alternatively you can sell for whatever you want on another platform if you don't sell on Steam.

>>740919707
>muh 30%
>wuh? no, doesn't matter that near everyone else takes 30%, valve takes less depending on sales, and valve actually does shit with that cut that benefits devs and users massively instead of just fucking them over
>muh 30%
What is this stupid bullshit, I swear it's like I'm taking crazy pills.

>>740920446
>30% isn't really high
Shut up, steambot, this shit existed only because the retail market and physical media manufacturing. $100 fee for publishing the game is what the real cost for your fat god

Retards Still don't know that retailers are the ones responsible for the universal 30% cut. Companies like valve would have loved to offer a lower cut. Cause that would have made the likes of Gamestop and Target unable to compete on price and pushed them out of the market. That's why the moment Valve or some other big player decide to go low on those cuts retailers imminently start suing. Tim can go lower cause no one gives two shits about the Epic Game Store. He is no threat to anyone. Just annoying

>>740919898
Wait till the existing lawsuit in Cali is over, they say employees within Valve proven via emails said they weren't allowed to sell games cheaper elsewhere. Even Ubisoft. Gabe says there is no such rule, and others say its an "unwritten rule" which is much harder to actually prove

>>740920446
Stop anon, you're making little timmy's depression even worse

>>740919898
The only one is that you can't sell your games elsewhere for cheaper.

>>740920556
Not to mention valve hands out shitloads of free keys they take 0% from and facilitates a thriving key market where users can buy games cheaper.

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>>740919707
other stores?

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>>740919707
I'm playing video games on PC for over 30 years and I don't use Steam for pretty much anything outside of Valve games like a free Half-Life copy we all got.

>>740920581
>>740920596
but isn't that just for Steam keys, so games that would use steam software/service to install and work?

valve shouldn't be allowed to forbid devs from charging higher on steam because of their higher merchant fee
same with credit cards forbidding businesses from charging extra for processing fee

>>740920446
>30% isn't really high
People used to shill digital when it was starting out with the argument that it removes all the logistics and real estate costs of physical which will result in cheaper distribution and thus cheaper end product for the consumer. Strange that they then need to charge the same amount as fucking gamestop.

How retards like you are incapable of learning from history genuinely baffles me.

>>740920704
Ok, and?

>>740920707
correct, and sweeny HATES it

>>740920557
Anon, do you think network infrastructure is free? That one can purchase a game and be able to download it anywhere in the world at anytime at high speed is no small feat. Most fileshare services ask for an ongoing subscription cost to cover this and still have relatively limited bandwidth on the services. Steam only says one time fee at time of purchase (which can also be on sale) and you have a lifetime of access to it.

>>740919707
Someone should investigate (((Consumer Competition Claims)))
I don't know of any consumer dutch or otherwise that would be unhappy with steam's current services.
This reeks of some corporate operation

>>740920707
Nope apparently Ubisoft in the early days of Uplay wanted to do it and got a 24 ultimatum to stop that shit from a Valve employee

>>740920757
why are you complaining about the digital markup standard that EVERYONE uses besides epic, who is losing money by doing so to fail to compete with steam?

>>740920772
timmy did law suits and discovered steam costs were like 7% of revenue

>you can't sell your games cheaper elsewhere

Another lie. Anyone who monitors sales on PC can tell you that Steam competitors regularly sell games for cheaper than Steam. Not even mentioning Steam key deals where Steam is killing its own 30% share

>>740920715
tru

>>740920801
>apparently
allegedly, it seems

>>740920817
You are a fucking idiot. No way am I engaging with this. Stupid beyond belief or pretending to be for the sake of winning a flamewar through sheer attrition.

>>740919707
Notice how lawsuit keeps coming after they won against rothschild a few months ago

>Let steam run free and unchallenged for 20 years
>REEEEEEEE THEY CONTROL 85% OF THE MARKET
Why can't other companies make something as good?

>>740919707
europe is such a shit hole. Always with their stupid lawsuits

>>740920856
Well they have emails that aren't public while the case is ongoing

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>>740920759
and it proves that Steam is not a monopoly for PC gamers.

>>740920917
Because europeans are inferior

>>740920902
The interesting part is not just all those lawsuits appearing but a large number of them are also coming from government positions and not just private companies. Really makes you think

>>740920931
All mutt financial institutions must suffer. Humanity will know no peace until the great satan is vanquished.

>>>/twatter/

>>740920757
I don't dispute what that prices are still above what they should be but Valve doesn't determine the prices, the publishers do. The difference between what we have now and what we had under traditional retail is that games stay available forever until the publisher pulls the pin. There is no limited amount, you aren't reliant on stockists, you can sit on waiting for a bargain without worrying about those previous 2 factors, etc. The publishers swapped having to juggle physical production costs versus ongoing demand prior, but now they just put their game on the distribution platforms and it costs the same with no further investment or gamble on their part. No concerns about making X copies in Y language or resupplying individual store on the chance they would sell out. Instead digital distributors said just pay 30% per sales and they will handle the rest in perpetuity. Ultimately it a moot point since the end result to the consumer is the same. If anything digital distribution probably kept prices lower at time went on since it was harder to justify price increases due to 'production costs;.

>>740920793
The organisation wasn't started by gamers but lawyers seeking to have a case against Valve specifically. Their only other documented action was against Apple. Timmy has beef with both companies. Makes you wonder if he seeked out lawyers against those companies in the EU, where consumer rights are held in high regards.

Total gaben death.
Gabedrones on suicide watch.

>>740920831
You won't believe what a standard mark up for retail or service products are. Quit literally most services or products will want a 40% profit margin on whatever they are selling. And those don't usually come with the sort of lifetime service that digital distribution platforms are supposed to be offering.

>>740919707
another J ploy to bring Valve down. best part is once you piss them off they never stop, ever

>>740920801
What ubisoft wanted to do was loophole around the restriction by selling R6S cheap on steam and then selling operator unlocks exclusively through uplay. Valve told them to stop doing that or fuck off from steam.

>Buy The Witcher 3 on Steam for $10
>Check GOG and it's $5
>I haven't played more than 2 hours and it hasn't been 14 days so I can get a refund
>I get a refund and say it's because it's cheaper on GOG
>They accept it without any problems
>I buy it on GOG
I don't know where they get these excuses; what you can't sell cheaper elsewhere are Steam keys

>>740921124
ok but if timmy offers it for free then devs should be able to charge -30% on timmy's website

>>740919707
>Lawsuit fails in one country
>Pop up and do it again in another country
>Rinse and repeat forever
Kinda wild how much money and effort gets wasted on this useless shit. The sheer inefficiency of humanity compels me to desire a machine overlord

>>740921171
>>Buy The Witcher 3
Jesus Christ

>switch one collar and leash for another
It should be legal to kill corporate shills on sight.

>>740921184
They can though. They just can do that as a standard price AND sell on Steam at the same time for a different higher price. They can either match base price or sell on a singular platform.

>>740921208
???

>>740921160
Its not like FF14 shows all the MTX on Steam. You buy it exclusively from S-E

>>740919707
>The UK changes their class action laws
>Firm pops up to sue Valve to try and get a settlement for nothing
>The Netherlands changes their class action laws
>Firm pops up to sue Valve to try and get a settlement for nothing
Who's changing their laws next?

>>740919707
>make a decent service
>everyone tries to screw you over nonstop

Once Steam is defeated, Epic will be defeated even harder.

>>740919898
There's supposedly an email floating around from a guy at valve saying that they'd prefer it if people price games the same on different stores. He wasn't talking about steam keys either. But as far as ENFORCING that? I haven't heard of it happening. There's several games that are different prices on epic/itch/steam and they've been up for years at this point.

>>740921184
For the longest time Timmy literally paid devs in multiple millions to put their games exclusively on EGS. But that tactic failed cause Fortnite started dying plus people weren't even buying those games on EGS so he couldn't even make that money back later

>>740919707
You can sell cheaper on other stores, just either don't sell on steam, or have the cheaper price rotate on steam. Why should steam take your business if you only want to abuse them by selling high on steam and low elsewhere?

>>740920895
>get called out for complaining about nothing
>REEE RETARD HOW DARE YOU REEEE
lmao
pajeet neutered

>>740921268
They embarrassed the jews in court, and are a private company. As such they will never see a day of peace from now on.

>>740919898
No, if anything the ones causing monopolies are payment processors, sinc ethey are basically dictating the exact same shit to everyone on any industry, so no one can really compete or take any risk with x thing or theme

>>740919898
Complete opposite actually, the reason Steam Sales have the reputation they do is because back in 2007 they genuinely did put everything on sale at 99%-95% off. You could pick up triple A titles for a few bucks. They cut all the costs of brick and mortar and passed the savings on to the consumer.
A few years later, Walmart noticed and physical retails strongarmed publishers into demanding price parity with Steam, forcing Steam to raise their prices to be less competitive against them.

>>740921329
There was a relative solid logic behind pushing for exclusives, even if timed. But it relied on offering a service that is the same or better than your competitor. And since EGS devs didn't understand how much of a cornerstone something like a Shopping Cart function was to online retail they were fundamentally unable to setup a platform to actually compete at all. All the while pulling in children via Fortnite and still being unable to build a customer base over time via that.

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>>740920759
Also, Even if Steam will disappear today, I still won't be using Epic or any other retarded stores/launchers.
More launcher is general is worse than less launchers. Why the fuck would I want to use Blizzard, EA, Ubisoft, Steam, Epic, and another 1000 launchers when I can buy a game on gog and play it without any launchers or updates?

>>740921480
>the 30% cut isn't even steams choice
lmao don't let sweeny see this

>make a storefront that's as feature-rich as steam
>take only a 10% or 15% cut
that's all they have to do to prove steam is a monopoly
yet they refuse to do it

curious...

>>740920156
Amazon has rules that you can't sell any product cheaper on your own website, ebay, or on other stores. I'm not sure how it's enforced, but most sellers always have some kind of "sale" going on that gives you 10-15% off on their site compared to Amazon. No one seems to care about that though. Walmart also negotiates significantly lower prices from manufacturers than any other store can.

>>740920757
Physical logistics and distribution is actually cheaper now than digital infrastructure. No one saw that one coming 16 years ago and no one would have believed you

>>740921201
It's literally Timmy and the Roths doing it under another fake shell company. The only reason Valve and Apple can stop this shit is because they are also a multi billion and trillion dollar company respectively. The courts would have been rigged against a small company

>>740921384
It's hilarious because now that 30% cut really doesn't seem like enough when you have to pay tens of millions of dollars for lawyers every year just to fight other butthurt companies

>>740920757
server costs went up because of google, that's why all the thousands of youtube-like websites dissapeared or ended up being just porn websites

Its much cheaper to actually to a physical disc now, specially dvd
That said, for what we know, the ones making it hard is SONY since they own teh BD patent, hence why dvd is still going since its basically open source (afaik), it would take someone to make a BD replacement that is basically free of royalties like DVD to actually push digital games to be cheaper, or dwarf them out again

>>740920020
Retail chains dont require price matching

>>740921656
I dunno about that. The cost of CD/DVD manufacture had already dropped to its lowest point by the time digital distribution entered the scene. The logistics behind the distribution is what was the real cost and pretty much only went up as time went on. Regardless that distribution method was subject to fluctuation due to fuel costs whereas digital was largely stagnate or overall dropping at the same time. At this point in time you are right that physical production might cost a minimal amount but the logistics involved in getting it to retail stores and into consumer hands would rapidly eat up any savings compared to 1-3 decades ago.

>don't sell on steam
>have free reign over pricing in other platforms
>but international law dictates that they all sell on steam or else

>>740919707
This is a lot of nothing
That said I dislike Valve as of late, it feels like they are not trying anymore but to be fair neither is GOG.
I used to like buying old games on GoG because the one thing they would have over piracy is that they would bundle documents and other media that granted I could had pirated as easily but it saved me the trouble and it was great for some niche games.
Now they got nothing.
GOG could talk to the devs and ask them to upload a couple of files like behind scenes, art pieces and stuff they got lying around that would make for great wallpapers. Nothing that would cost them a penny.
Think of the lengths the Zelda community has gone through to dumpster dive in Nintendo's garbage trying to find information on how the games are created. This information has value and GOG could have an edge if they pandered to game enthusiast more.
As for Valve, I dislike they are not giving free items anymore.
Sure they are bad and mostly tacky jpegs but it was something.
They also worked harder on their sales with the minigames, and cards would drop more often.
I dislike the point system and the card system, essentially it is better to just pay up for the stuff you want and that is gay really compared to how it used to be. The Summer sale of 2010 was Valve at its best. Tying the sale to achievements and in-game items, they literally never did that again.
The other thing with Valve is that they have the money to keep making in-house games but why bother, just make a rare CS knife skin and that triples the revenue you could get from making a 100M game.

>>740921302
>There's several games that are different prices on epic/itch/steam and they've been up for years at this point.
Name 5

>>740921480
>A few years later, Walmart noticed and physical retails strongarmed publishers into demanding price parity with Steam, forcing Steam to raise their prices to be less competitive against them.
Prove it

>>740921839
Not sure where you live but it is basically standard here down under for major retail chains. Granted we were getting fucked by unnecessary price hikes under the guise of 'shipping' for a long time but pretty much every major retail store here will now price match competitors as standard. To the point where paying the higher price is quite literally only for suckers as you only need to show them the price online at the other store and they are required to match.

>>740921852
The truck/fuel, packaging, dvd, and shipping materials are insignificant compared to the monthly costs of the data centers that transfer all of this. Valve spends more on electricity than it costs to print games, package and ship them and put them on shelves

>>740919740
I can finally be myself :)

Anyways, if I was Valve, I'd just stop selling in Netherlands. Fuck 'em.

>>740921852
nope stil cheaper, just by the fact of
>produce
>send
>sell
vs
>produce
>host
>sell
>have to keep hosing 24/7
the energy that goes into digital infrastructure vs the one on physical manufacture is much higher in the long run
in manufacturing terms, physical BDs take a finite amount of Megawatts vs the eternal hosting you have to get and the electricyt needed, even if you add something like nuclear energy source

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>>740921879
uhhhhhhhhh

>>740921981
You are comparing per unit versus overall operating costs there. Which isn't the case. Per unit the costs are comparatively minimal since the servers have to be up regardless. Per product the costs compared to physical manufacture and distribution to store are nothing. But this is also why Valve only charging a singular lifetime free (which can be during sale) is such a significant factor.

NO NO NO NOOOOOOO WE LOVE STEAM STOOOOP SAYING BAD THINGS ABOUT MY STEAM I LOVE STEEEAAAAM MONOPOLIES ARE A GOOD THING I LOOOOOOVE STEEEAAAAM

>>740919707
What the fuck did they go into this expecting?
All the evidence stacks in favor of valve.

>>740922104
uh oh, tendie having a melty

>>740921913
I was alive when it was happening, it was in the headlines.
I don't care if you don't believe me, I'm not being paid to investigate this shit. Go look it up yourself if you care.

>>740922148
UH OH STEAMER HAVING A MELTY

>>740922148
That's an EGS loving jeet.

>>740919707
Reminder that Blizzard and Epic have been sharing the same bed for a while, they want to see steam ruined.

>>740922058
You are forgetting physical limits into your argument there. Hosting can replicate the host data infinitely at no extra costs. Physical replication includes production + distribution to continent + distribution to state + distribution to store + resupply if available copies run out. And there is no guarantee that copies will sell out entirely or be sold at full price under the physical model. As such the comparatively low cost of the digital distribution per unit model shits all over that.

>>740921005
Valve is a juggernaut that makes BANK, and pays it's employees exceedingly well. Tiny hat ppl mad they can't run it into the ground by being shareholders.

>>740922101
You are correct. The point though is that the price of digital distribution didn't decrease the overall cost of games because it's basically the same, if not more expensive in some cases now compared to almost 20 years ago

>>740922206
Blizzard only got into this game due to legacy thanks to BlizzNet and by virtue of having an online product that necessitated it. Accompanied by acquisition by Activision adding to the library. Their thoughts on the matter is irrelevant since they have only acted as a hub for a handful of their own published games since time immemorial.

>>740922163
Lol, RAPED.

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>>740919707
>30% cut
Do they have nothing else to screech about? Do they not know consoles also take the same cut?

>>740919707
>30% cut is too high
>it's anti-competetive
Are they retarded? They just found a market not anti-competition practice lol.
Steam isn't stopping them from making a better place that takes low cut, and offers cheaper games.

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>>740919707
>enter game
>play same as everyone else
>"WTF YOU CANT OWN BOARDWALK AND PARK PLACE ITS UNFAIR"

>>740919707
there are already like 10 other gabe threads

>>740922291
Ture, but again that is down to Publishers. Valve/Steam doesn't set prices. They only offer the hosting. So if you want to gripe about that then complain to the Publishers.

>>740922291
Factoring in inflation, games generally did get cheaper.

>>740919707
>Group claims it will first try to reach a settlement
Isn't this just extortion? Settlement can mean they get paid but steam changes nothing.

>>740922163
It was real in your mind

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>>740921002
Then why doesn't steam just ban them?
OH WAIT!
It's because if it did it would'n be able to corner the market anymore and it would stop being a monopoly

>>740922071
Thats cheaper on steam so youre just making my argument. The problem is that steam forces developers to not sell their games cheaper anywhere else than on steam

And from your picture it seems like epic is not enforcing thhat kind of rules for games on their shop

Timmy is just bruteforcing at this point. No lawsuit against Valve he instigated by proxy ever went anywhere, but he believes if he keeps going he will strike gold eventually.

Why are people who weren't at the party allowed to sue for a piece of the pie

>>740919707
>30% is too high
why? that's the standard

>>740922531
Because of (((them)))

>>740922397
Only because it hit the ceiling. Inflation can't push prices up indefinitely unless people are making more money too, which hasn't happened in 30 years now. Technology was extremely expensive in the 80s and 90s and it has stayed the same price, not counting inflation, because that's all the market will ever allow. They're trying to test $80 games now, unsuccessfully, but the market just won't take it.

>>740922531
Laws were changed that allow more leeway for class actions, same as the UK suit
The aim isn't to win (because they won't), it's to try and get Valve to settle

>>740922516
There's some indie game that I can't remember the name of with a dev that bragged about having it slightly cheaper on epic because of the lower cut.
The only other one I know for sure is a different price is Mindustry on itch vs steam

>>740919898
They don't cede their market share to their competitors and refuse to go public.
That's TEXTBOOK antisemitism and monopoly tactics.

>>740919707
>regurgitating the same drivel from the other lawsuits
Can we just dismiss all of them when valves wins the first one.

>>740921913
asked AI

>This claim is partially true but exaggerated. Early Steam sales (particularly the 2007-2010 era) did feature extreme discounts, but **not** consistently at 95-99% off for AAA titles. Key points:
>
>1. **Deep Discounts Happened**: Some notable examples:
> - *Oblivion* hit 75% off in 2008 ($5).
> - *Left 4 Dead* dropped to $7.49 (75% off) in 2009.
> - *World of Goo* went 90% off ($2).

>2. **But Not "Everything"**: Major AAA games rarely went below 75% off. The "90%+" discounts were mostly for older/niche titles or indie bundles.

>3. **Brick-and-Mortar Savings**: True that digital cut overhead, but Steam's monopoly leverage (post-2010) reduced extreme discounts. Publishers later realized they could sustain higher prices even digitally.

>4. **Reputation Origins**: The myth stems from outlier deals (e.g., *The Orange Box* at $7.50 in 2009). Sales are still good—just less shocking now.

>**TL;DR**: Early sales were wild, but "99% off AAA" is hyperbole. The golden age was real, just not *that* extreme.

never doubt the old fags

>>740922435
>Goldbergstein tells you that your company has to stop competing with his
>You decline
>Nosenberg shops around until he finds a retarded attorney and judge that he can bribe to change the laws specifically for your company
>Government forces you to pay tens of millions in damages plus tens of millions more in legal fees for yourself and schlomostein
>Repeat every year because you embarrassed the jews in court the first time they tried this

Tim raised vbuck prizes and battlepasses give less of them as well, the consumer doesn't like him much, he's made this lawsuit about everything minus the consumer obviously.

>>740922531
The UK makes more money suing American companies than the top ten UK companies pay in taxes combined. I don't feel any sympathy for corporations, but it's kind of fucked that a foreign government depends on suing American companies just to fund their own government

>>740921950
Are you serious? The fact that the same product is sold cheaper anywhere else proves im right. And the fact that the store youre in while showing the staff that a product is cheaper somewhere else and they thrm lower their price to match... mate this is like the complete opposite thing we are talking about.

What valve is doing is like if a store chain refused to stock a shirt in their chain stores unless the producer promised to not sell the shirt to anyone else in world for a cheaper price

>>740922681
You cant read. That is not the part of the post i was quoting

>>740922342
Hopefully console store monopolies will come to an end as well

>>740922769
And there is no legal requirement to stock your product in their store unless you follow their policies. Publisher can sell anywhere they want for whatever price they want, but if they want to sell on Steam they have to price match because Steam refuses to give consumers a worse deal. Go ahead and try to get a major retail to do something similar and they will tell you to get fucked. The only difference is that retailers purchase stock and set prices themselves. But on Steam the Publishers set price, and the one caveat Steam has in that regard is you can't offer a worse price on Steam and continue selling there.

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>>740919707
>poo_nation thread
A reminder

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>>740919707
>Epic Games Store will be over here waiting for you....
sorry Tim but I got other plans.

>>740922601
>There's some indie game that I can't remember the name of with a dev that bragged about having it slightly cheaper on epic because of the lower cut.
How convenient that you forget since its against the rules and valve doesnt allow it

Mindustry is not sold on itch, its given away for free on itch which is a big difference to selling it at a lower price

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>claims that it makes it harder to sell cheaper on other stores
Are people just allergic to EGS' free games? Why do they keep buying games from a store where developers get the most customers?
>30% is too high and shows anti-competitive behavior
Am I being trolled? Don't other stores compete by taking a smaller cut already? How can you be anti-competitive unless you're using an impossible to compete with market like a Walmart undercutting every corner shop? Explain this to me while I grab another novocaine

Uhh steambros...it's getting to the point that I can't in good faith stand with this company anymore
Nevermind the problematic nature of gabe newell and his disgusting backwardness in not adhering to modern community standard such as inclusivity and racial positivity, never mind the blatant disregard of protecting developers from disgusting agitators using the steam forums or pointing out steam charts number for their own agendas, he's being a complete corporatist scumbag throttling the neck of devs and publisher with his greed
Shame on gabe, shame on steam and shame on their brainwashed defenders

>>740922903
>but if they want to sell on Steam they have to price match because Steam refuses to give consumers a worse deal.
No, its because steam refuses to give themselves a worse deal. Its an anticompetitive practice that benefits nobody except valves profits. They are not passing off the profits to the consumer. This is just their way of enforcing the 30% valve tax.

What would be best for consumers is if people could buy the product wherever it is cheapest, and no distributor was artificially inflating the price based on their 30% fee and market dominance

>Go ahead and try to get a major retail to do something similar and they will tell you to get fucked
Wrong

>The only difference is that retailers purchase stock and set prices themselves
The only difference? That is the difference. Under fair market conditions the game price would just reflect the price set by the producer plus the fee set by the distributor. Consumers could then choose between price competing distributors. Valves anticomeptitive contracts throw this price finding mechanism aspect of the market out the window

>But on Steam the Publishers set price, and the one caveat Steam has in that regard is you can't offer a worse price on Steam and continue selling there.

>But on Steam the Publishers set price, and the one caveat Steam has in that regard is you can't offer a worse price on Steam and continue selling there
On steam the price is the publishers price +30% added by steam. And other distributors have to also add that +30% to the price, even if they dont take a 30% cut. Thats the anticompetitive part

>>740922163
I lived through it too: it was called flash sales. It got removed with Australians raping steam over returning games, so we got refunds but they also removed flash sales and 4-packs as a result of the return limitations. The Walmart thing I've never heard of and judging by the lack of news provided it sounds like you just pulled that out of your ass.

A lot of indie multiplayer games would need to be filled with microtransactions or battle passes or whatever other crap to pay for servers but thanks to Valve your multiplayer data can go through their relay forever as part of that 30% whereas most other multiplayer solutions cap the amount of players that can play your game and have shitty cloud lag and charge you $500 a month or even more if you need a higher player cap. The only other alternative would be to just tell players to do it themselves with port forwarding and IP addresses but most people don't wanna give their IP out to random people just to play a game. Plus players can use their existing Steam friend list and be playing together in seconds instead of having to find eachother on whatever bullshit you're using

>>740922907
didn't the twitter region thing show he was in the UK? he's more likely paki or some kind of arab

>>740919707
>30% is the standard on literally every digital and physical store except the egs and itch, which offer less features
>MUH 30% IS UNFAIR VALVE IS GREEDY REEEE THIS IS ANTI-COMPETITIVE

I'm noticing.

>>740922435
correct, they just want to make quick money.
and if it fails, they hope to make some kind of return by lowering the 30 % margin or removing the rule "you cant sell at a lower price somewhere else".
either way, consumers will NOT profit from this. companies would bag any profits for themselves instead of making their games cheaper.

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>>740919707
>gets sued for the exact same thing over and over agaib in different places hoping that one shithole is corrupt enough to ruled against valve
Some is really fucking mad at valve.

HOW DO THEY HAVE 85% WHEN THE BIGGEST GAMES IN THE INDUSTRY ARENT ON IT

>>740919898
Is there any evidence of /v/irgins knowing what a monopoly is?

>>740922435
>Isn't this just extortion?
Yes, patent trolls also do the same.
It is a mafia type thing where groups of lawyers come together to extort companies.
Westboro was financed by lawyers, they seek to create crash groups that would go to funerals, taunt the families while they were mourning seeking someone would beat the shit out of them.

I am not even going to say I looked it up, but if that isn't some kike shit, I don't know what it is.

>>740919707
god i would love it if valve regionbanned the swampkrauts

>consumers pay more
why do they keep saying this lie? the dev/publisher sets the price and valve takes 30% of that whether it is 20 bux or 70 bux until it sells like gangbusters and then valve takes a lower cut per copy sold

Literally whats the end game here?

Steam got popular because it inarguably provided the best service
The fuck is Valve supposed to do?
Make Steam shittier so others catch up?

>>740923714
Get a settlement
That's the sole purpose

>>740923552
The whole industry is pissed off at Gaben. In the 2000's they were straight up tryint to kill off PC gaming by declaring it dead, favouring consoles and treating PC gamers like filthy immoral thieves. Gaben was actually willing to support PC gaming with a dedicated service and treat PC gamers like actual customers, which allowed him to win bigly because nobody else was actually trying. Now instead of taking notes all these kikes are screaming with rage and flinging shit at Gabe trying to bring him down. They will scream about the "heccin evil Valve monopoly" but they're just pissed off that THEY don't have full control over the PC gaming market. It's actually kinda insane how fragile the situation of PC gaming has been for years, it's only being held afloat by a single aging fatfuck nerd surrounded by a herd of corporate hyenas waiting to tear the market to shreds the second Valve is out of the picture.

>>740923285
No one is forcing Publishers to sell on Steam. We have decades of evidence to the contrary. But if you want to sell on Steam you have to agree to their terms. And the price on Steam is determined by Publishers with the understanding that Steam will take a 30% cut of the sale in return for lifetime support of the product.

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>>740919707
>another lawsuit
>monopoly
>30%
Why does this remind me of someone

>>740920557
>$100 fee for publishing the game is what the real cost for your fat god
You know Steam moved 100 exabytes worth of data last year, right? That's 1.15% of the entirety of last year's Internet traffic. To move enough traffic to even reach single digits in today's world is massive. Now do you know how much of a pain it is to put up a store online? You can't just dump some keys on a WooCommerce template and be done with it. You gotta maintain that store, work out shit with payment processors (no you can't just say "trust me bro" and get PayPal, Visa, Mollie, Stripe or Ideal integration just like that), be able to handle all the traffic, keep customer data secure, protect it from hackers and DDoS attacks... And it'd be nice if you were able to handle customer feedback or bug reports in an easier way than e-mails, oh hey, there's Steam forums. And your customers can just talk about the game there too so you don't need to host your own. And they also handle achievements, leaderboards, controller API's, game sharing over the internet, multiplayer lobbies... Yeah, Gabe can keep his fucking 30%, I don't wanna deal with all that shit. The only reason EGS and Itch can get away with less is cause they have less features for devs and consumers than even the eShop. Well, the EGS used to be more barebones than a default WooCommerce installation but they're slowly catching up. They're losing millions on that store, by the way, cause they thought bragging about a lower cut for publishers meant anything. If it actually meant lower prices people might be tempted to use it, but it didn't so they don't.

>abloobloo but the big dogs only need to pay 20-25%, it's not fair
Because those games actually sell and they're losing money on yours. They're losing money on those thousands of indie games nobody buys but Valve are the closest things to hippies in this industry who believe in a store anyone can join, maaan. Those big games that actually sell are keeping the store afloat.

>>740923714
in case you didnt notice, almost no company wants to compete at all anymore, they all do the exact same as tehy have the exact same investors lobbying and the likes of Visa controlling development budgets etc

except steam, but they are not exactly making games anymore

>>740923750
I'll admit that back when Steam launched I hated it as it was basically an arguably unnecessary online requirement for HL2. However its core premise was sound albeit ahead of its time for most of the world since they were still proliferating affordable high speed internet. But within half a decade to a decade they proved the value of an online service that gave to access to your games without being tied to a single Publisher. So much so that every major Publisher tried to ape them and build their own shittier version of Steam with the only moderate success really being BlizzNet due to a handful of legacy products and being active well prior to Steam's assent. Steam ushered in digital distribution as being viable with all the console manufacturer's following. Steam certainly wasn't the best in regards to consumer practice until maybe a decade-ish ago but at the very least it continued to evolved until it became the service it was now which is the standard. It already showed what the minimum necessary features are for a platform in the current year are and competitors ignoring that and not living up to it is not Valve's problem.

>>740919707
>be successful and good at what you're doing
>get sued because of it
It's a fucked up world we live in

>>740919707
What do these devs/people actually even want from valve? Are they just salty about paying 30% cut

Getting 70% of a big pie > getting 90%+ of a small pie no one even knows is there

threads shitting on Steam every day until the Rothschild's morale improves!

>>740924059
>back when Steam launched I hated it
I still do. Two days ago I wanted to unistall Half Life from my PC.
>Click the unistall button in WIndows
>it launches steam
>ah, whatever
>steam has to be updated
>getting on my nerves
>please log in into steam again
>angrily log in
>game uninstalls
fuck steam. fuck launchers. fuck everybody.
"great/best service" and "consoomer convenience" my ass.

>>740923765
>No one is forcing Publishers to sell on Steam
This argument hardly gets passed in court when steam has big majority in PC market just like it didn't work for Google Play and App Store. Selling games for cheaper elsewhere doesn't harm steam users in any way, so can't wait till Valve gets rekt for this shitty practice so they'll have to back off just like they did with refunds.

>>740919707
>30% cut on game sales is too high
Phew, true, that's why the cut isn't 30% anymore unless you make millions

>>740924226
Apple literally doesn't allow you to install apps from outside sources and Google is actively trying to kill that too
Steam doesn't come preinstalled on anything and you have to go and get it, even on the deck you can just immediately uninstall it and install another storefront or os

>>740924192
Based anon forgetting to send his post for 20 years

>>740921480
>99%-95% off
Lol lmao
I bet I'm VAC banned for longer than your little five year account exists for you fucking poser
75% to 90%? Sure yeah, that was common and happened a lot. 99%? I want whatever the fuck you're smoking because that's some good shit if you're tripping this hard

>>740924237
>tax cut for the rich
>full tax for the poor
(((American))) company

>>740921826
Dont laws require the money to be returned if you win the case? If it aint so then some jackass with more money autowins because he will drive you to bankruptcy.

>>740924192
>Too stupid to just delete the fucking files from the directory

>>740924328
That seems like a disingenuous argument to me, a phone also lets you install another OS instead

>>740924346
Are you retarded or something?
The percentage is lower for the poor and higher for the rich, you got it backwards my nigga.

>>740919883
>Apple and google did the same and everyone is sleeping
Apple and Google got sued a bunch for this. Steam is just joining the team.

>>740919707
... in the test CHAMBER-R-R-R-R-R

>>740924376
>steambot
>completely retarded
As expected

When game sales exceed certain revenue thresholds, the commission rate decreases: 30% - standard commission for revenue up to $10 million. 20% - applies to game revenue in the range of $10 million to $50 million. 15% - applies to game revenue exceeding $50 million.

>>740924348
No, that's not true. It's just that usually either side also sues for damages that accrue through the lawsuit, so while it's not a hard rule, it's usually what happens
So let's say a company has caused you 100k in damages. You'd sue for 100k plus whatever the lawyers cost, plus whatever other shit you can get away with. Usually they sue for incredibly unrealistic, high amounts because courts ain't gonna increase it on their own, but they will reduce it to a "proper" amount.

>>740924365
> a phone also lets you install another OS instead
Very few do, you fucking tech illiterate
Arm goyware doesn't have a unified bios to target and they don't release the blobs
Look up the procedure for rooting and compare it to just writing an ISO to a flash drive, I've done it twice and fucking hated it

>>740919707
>30% cut is too high
>this is a problem because it makes it HARDER to sell on other platforms
Lmao what? Cant even keep the story straight can you timmy?
If (and thats a big if since every console store charges the same, 30% is the industry standard) Valve was charging more than the industry standard then it would be an incentive to move away from Steam, if anything, Steam using their market leader posistion to only charge 10% or whatever would be anti competitive.
You cant claim that Steam is charging too big of a cut and at the same time argue that there is no reason or incentive to move away from steam, its one or the other

Honestly timmy if you spent as much on making an actually functional store with all the community features Steam has (also remove the spyware you fuck) as you have on exclusivity deals and frivolous lawsuits you would have an actual competitive product.
But I get it, making a store with a cart that works on non-4k monitors is a big ask, how could I expect a small indie company like Epic to make groundbreaking features like a forum.

>>740924348
Yes congratulations, welcome to the American court system which is a much of a bad joke as the rest of the retarded monkey circus that is their "country". The one with the most money to pay the correct Jews always win, just like in their politics.

>>740924439
>he fell for it and saved me a trip to google
Good boy

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Maybe Steam should go to a flat 20%, but increase the upfront fee to cut down on slop submissions.

>>740919818
Stop noticing, goy!
>>740919898
They provide a better service and aren't publicly traded. This is anti-semitic and a danger to Our Democracy.

>>740924619
$900 to list a game, 5% cut.
Price loft of $30 on all games.

>Steam is a monopoly because of market capture
Console storefronts have 100% share of their consoles and you literally can't go anywhere else without buying new hardware
Literally textbook monopolies

>The cut is too high!
Better than every console digital with its regressive tax while for consoles it's just a flat 30%
And console physical leaves them with 50% and they lose money on reselling

>>740924328
You can easily install other stores right now in most android phones and "YoU DoNt HaVe To SeLL oN GooGlE PlaY" argument still didn't work very well for google in court. Again, steam holds majority of PC market and competition is not allowed by Valve to compete with one of the main instruments - the price.

>>740919883
>Apple and google did the same and everyone is sleeping
both Got sued, Apple Lost in Europe recently like 2 Cases.

>>740920552
>as long as you price match on Steam
You do it lower in other Platform cause said platform dont ask a 30% cut off.
Getting price Parity while keeping a higher cut means Valve is Demanding publisher cut their own bottom line if someone else offer a better deal, or other wise they get kicked out of STEAM, that is Monopolistic behavior.

>>740924226
sell on gog
>no drm
oh sorry I forgot you have to justify your $30m denuvo contract

>>740924669
>they lose money on reselling
How can they lose something they never get?

>>740920525
You literally can, you can't advertise it directly on Steam, retard

>>740924390
They didnt though. The EU courts fucked over Apple, MS and Google by saying that since they are market leaders they cant promote their own products as hard as they do nor restrict access via their stores.
This is completely unrelated because steam is not selling an operating system so it doesnt apply to them. Apple pushing App store and Safari on iOS and MacOS to beat out the competition has nothing to do with consumer using Valves storefront on Microsofts OS

>muh steam machines and steamos
Also irrelevant because steam machine nor steamos are the primary OS used (thats still Windows)

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>>740919707
Gonna buy a $80 game for he tonight. My treat, Gabe.

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>>740924673
>competition is not allowed by Valve to compete with one of the main instruments - the price
I wonder for how much longer people will perpetuate this lie
You can't sell STEAM KEYS, you know, KEYS that activate on STEAM for cheaper, otherwise you'd get all the Steam services (workshop, forum, community, etc.) for none of the cost.
Developers CAN sell keys off-store if they then don't activate on Steam. It's just that nobody fucking understands this very simple concept.

If you are on STEAM's store, you play by STEAM's rules and if you're not then you can do whatever you want. It's really just that simple.

>>740924673
Google play is inherently tied to the fucking hardware and they ship with the default settings that disallow installing things from outside of Google play
And they're moving to locking android down, look it up fag, they want to make you wait a day before you can install it from external sources and it's only going to get worse

Meanwhile you have to go out of your fucking way to install steam because its use is not incentivised at any point

>>740924365
That voids the warranty dumbass

>>740924752
By getting 0% instead of 70% on that copy for an extra player
It's literally no different to piracy when it comes to the fiscal impact on the developer

>>740921508
The 30% cut isn't even really valid to begin with. After a certain point in revenue or literal sales numbers, your % cut is negotiable with Valve directly. Major publishers likely have behind-the-scenes deals from the outset, so from the word "go", many of them likely aren't even paying 30% in the first place. Welcome to the big fat lie of Tim Sweeney and the contrarians: 30% isn't actually the running deal, all the publishers that split just wanted 100% profit and realized they didn't have legs to sell on their own.

>>740919707
Yea but everyone is free just to not put their games on steam huh?

>>740924687

LMFAO you capitalized monopolistic because of the board game LOOOOOL, you fucking moron.
And it's not monopolistic to require price parity in exchange for access to my store front, that's just basic business sense. Every retailer in the universe has rules that sellers have to play by in exchange for access, this isn't exclusive to Valve.

>>740924687
>You do it lower in other Platform cause said platform dont ask a 30% cut off.
You can sell for whatever price you want on other platforms, you CANT sell keys that activate on STEAM for lower than the price on Steam.
See Factorio or Tarkov as fairly popular examples, the games are on Steam, are sold on Steam but are also sold on their own website for a different price and you cant activate your website key on Steam, you still get the full game though and can play with Steam users

>>740924942
>It's literally no different to piracy when it comes to the fiscal impact on the developer
Ah, so nonexistent
Good, you realize at least that much

>>740925126
No, reselling physical is considered legitimate and perfectly legal so it doesn't carry the same moral baggage that piracy does in the eyes of the normalfag

>steam is a monopoly
>some of the most popular games aren't even on steam
seems legit

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>>740925107
>you cant activate your website key on Steam
But Wube will give you a free Steam key anyway.

>win literally one (1) patent troll case
>every nigga under the sun wants to sue now

>>740925107
>their own website
you are soo close to get it. but Gaben Cock is not letting you.

>>740925209
>reselling physical is considered legitimate and perfectly legal
That's because it is
Are you gonna white knight for Toyota because people sell used cars too?

>https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys#3
Their rules on keys seem to boil down to "don't be a dick"

>>740925318
I don't see a rebuttal
It's legal, that's why its impact is worse than piracy
Console physical results in the developer only getting 50% of the revenue and they lose sales from reselling since it's legal

>>740925287
What, you think a website selling a game and a digital store selling a game (spoiler: the website is also one) are differnent because one is an app?
Fucking hell JeetGPT get a grip

Man so many people are woefully ignorant on how business works and it shows

Valve/steam do not sell games aside from their first party developed softwate

Steam is a point of sale service provider, you are effectively buying the game direct from the manufacturer/publisher using steam as the interface to do so, with valve collecting a fee for getting the product to the consumer. If suppliers want to utilise this service they must abide by the service provider's rules, which if that includes not selling cheaper elsewhere, the supplier fully has the right to just not sell on steam, and yet they always choose to use steam anyway because quite frankly they provide the best service out of all digital storefronts

If anyone is in the wrong, it would be the manufacturer, but there is literally nothing illegal about not wanting to put your product on an sales platform with fewer customers


I work in pharma wholesale, for some reason our exclusivity agreements which are far closer to a monopoly for motherfucking life saving drugs don't get anyone sued, this entire lawsuit is settlement bait and has zero chance of winning

>>740925286
>>every nigga under the sun wants to sue now
Those are the dangers of Litigation, Discovery exposes the skeletons in the closet.

by know EVERYONE has heard the SWORN DEPOSITION from Ubisoft that Valves uses its position as market leader to strong arm Price Parity AT EXPENSES OF THE PUBLISHER if other store front offer better deals for said publisher allowing a lower price tag for consumers.

that thing there is 1:1 Monopoly Practice or Practices in furtherance of a Monopoly.
Blood is in the water now.

>>740925504
are you that ESL that seethes about Linux?

W

valve is the only corporation that i believe has fair community moderators.
when i upload loli hentai with sob emojis, they just give me a timeout for a week instead of outright banning my account. some of the microbikini lolis even got through and i still have them on my profile art showcases. name another gaming company that is as fair as that.

>>740925504
You do know that pretty much every single supermarket in existence has price parity clauses now right?

>>740925574
>Valve is based because *unapologetic pedoshit*
Tim, is that you?

>>740925640
shut the fuck up and answer the question fruity homolala boy

>>740925640
puritan zoomer can't tell fact from fiction

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>>740925435
>It's legal
Whats legal? Demanding Price Parity??

Yes and No

Given the sum of the facts
>1 Market share
>2 Demands
>3 Repercussion if the demands are not met
>4 Leverage
>5 Who Benefits

1 Market Share: Valve holds more than 4/5 of the Market.
2 Valve demands Price Parity at expenses of the Publisher
3 If Valve does not get Same Price, they stop selling the game on their store front
4 Valve uses their Market share to bully publisher, either do as I say or lose 85% of Market exposure
5. This is one of the most important ones WHO Benefit from the Price Parity
-Valve: Kneecaps Competition, IF someone has a Steam Library and the game cost the same on STEAM and on EPIC, there is basically no incentive to go buy that game on EPIC.
-Publisher: Ubisoft can sell the game cheaper on Epic cause Epic ask for a lower Royalty cut compared to Valve, for Both sames to sell at the same prices Ubisoft has to either eat the cost of lowering the prices in Steam or artificially balloon the price on EPIC
-The Competiton: EPIC loses one of the main advantages every new competitors tries to offer, a more attractive Price Point
- User: There are longer Cheaper alternatives, the same game will cost the same everywhere.

so out of Valve, Publisher, Competitor and Consumer, Demanding price Party benefit 1 party alone: Valve.

>>740925678
Why do loli homos always project their faggotry onto others?
>im attracted to someone with underdeveloped feminine features
Sounds like a fag who doesnt like women.

>>740925851
>the same game will cost the same everywhere
you really don't know how steam works lmao

>>740925540
>you are soo close to get it. but Gaben Cock is not letting you.
different ESL probably,

>>740925613
Nigga. no
You want to tell me the same Item sells the same prices between Publix, Buckee,s Wawa, Walmart, Target, Sedanos, President, Aldi.

Are you retarded.

>>740925936
>you really don't know how steam works lmao
Look Nigga im going by the SWORN DECLARATION in an active Case. Not "feelings" or what people claim OUT OF COURT.

Gabe and Valve can say whatever they want on public statement, but compared to court papers, that is just, at best, white lies and marketing.

>>740925958
Retard
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/9-grocery-stores-that-offer-price-matching/ar-AA1HtnuD
This is normal

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I'm out of the loop. What did Gaben do to piss off the kikes to this degree? Seems like steam is beign sued constantly by some bs shit like this.

gaben makes kikes seethe endlessly, and for that alone he is my hero

>>740919707
I always wonder what kind of corporate stooge makes these kinds of threads.

>>740926110
>https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/9-grocery-stores-that-offer-price-matching/ar-AA1HtnuD
Thats PRICE MATCHING, you fucking clown.

On Price Parity, Valve using its control of the market, demands publisher set the same price accross all store front, Valve dont care if the publisher has to inflate the prices somewhere else or lose money on Valve, price has to be equal or they get kicked out of STEAM.


PRICE MATCHING is the store: If HP sells a printer Best Buy and Walmart each for 100$.
Best Buy sells it to consumer for 150$ and gains 50$
Walmart sells it to consumer for 140$ and gains 40$

If Best Buy sees someone wanting to buy the printer, they dont tell HP "You need to sell us the printer for 90$ so we can sell it for 140$ and keep making 50$".
NO
Best Buy instead PRICE MATCHES Walmart, Sell you the Printer for 140$, lowering their Profit from 50$ to 40$.

HERE The Store is the one shouldering the cost of selling the same price as the competitor.
VALVE on the other hand IS DEMANDING to keep their profit merging intact.

so, again, YOU ARE A FUCKING CLOWN


>>740926346
Gaben IS A KIKE, himself, you fucking clown

>>740926291
>it's bullshit to be sued for violating basic consumer rights laws and exploiting a monopoly to profiteer
How about taking Gabe's cock out of your mouth, faggot?

>Publishers unable to read T&S to sell on platform they don't own
>This is somehow Valve's fault
Just create your own platform bro, can't be that hard

>>740926398
>I always wonder what kind of corporate stooge makes these kinds of threads.
Valve

>>740925256
factorio is unironically great, because you can buy on the website directly from the devs or on gog, or for some reason, if you're a braindead shit eating cocksucker, even on steam.
I wish every game did this, so that I could bypass all of the retarded launchers and storefronts.

It's worth the weight.

>>740926468
What consumer rights is Valve violating? Not letting companies sell steam keys on the cheap on their own stores? Because that sure as shit ain't a consumer right.

>>740924782
I'm talking about a different EU law.
The law basically is:
>If you hold a dominant distribution position, you aren't allowed to enforce restrictions or parity clauses on sellers to keep them from selling on other distribution platforms.

Valve does have a policy regarding the pricing of STEAM KEYS for games, and thats the legalease focus pocus. They aren't restricting your game being sold elsewhere, they are restricting Steam keys for your game being sold elsewhere, cheaper than on Steam. The case will argue that a Steam key for a game is equivalent to the game itself, given Steam's dominant position as a platform for playing games.
This might fall under Most-Favored-Nation type regulation, which routinely hits hotel booking sites, for example.

Basically the question here is if there's a meaningful difference between a copy of Mount&Blade, and the Steam key for a copy of Mount&Blade.

>>740926528
>What consumer rights is Valve violating?
Profiteering is a crime against the consumer, retard. It's illegal.

>>740926561
And how exactly is Valve not letting companies sell steam keys on the cheap on their own platforms and thus essentially trying to take advantage of steam as a platform without giving Valve their cut "profiteering"?

>>740926561
>Profiteering
>Valve is somehow clandestinely making Publishers sell games at maximum profit

>>740926464
retard
you do know that the manufacturer of the product is the one that actually sets the price right?
all this does is formally put that responsibility entirely on the developer
if you're enraged about steam forcing you to not fuck over their customers then you shouldn't be selling your games there, it's as simple as that

>>740926464

False comparison.

It'd actually be like if Best Buy sells a printer for $150.
Then they give Walmart vouchers for free, that Walmart can sell so people can take them to Best Buy for a printer.
In this situation Best Buy is well within their rights to say Walmart can't sell those vouchers for cheaper than Best Buy sells the printer.

If Valve get sued for not letting developers print infinite keys and sell them cheaper than the game on Steam, you do know what will happen right? Valve will simply stop giving out keys, or add a fee for creating keys.

>>740919818
Just a cohencidence

>>740926291
Some time ago a lesser Rothschild (yes there are levels to this shit) tried to patent troll gabe, didn't work because the patents he was suing for were ones gabe had contracts over or some shit like that
there was also the whole thing with payment processors dictating what you can buy or not but thats not a steam only issue

>>740926534
>Basically the question here is if there's a meaningful difference between a copy of Mount&Blade, and the Steam key for a copy of Mount&Blade.

Seems like Valve is in the clear given that games that the only difference between the "steam version" of a game and a version of it sold on some other platform are the accessory features provided by steam rather than any fundamental functionality in the games themselves.

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>>740926771
>>740919818

Not a day goes by without my hatred for that putrid race being further vindicated.

>>740926786
If the prosecution can show that "im only buying it if its on steam" is an opinion enough customers share, they can declare that a Steam key is just a proxy for a game sale, and that developers are forced by Valve's dominant position as a distributer to sell their games as Steam keys, therefore forced by Valve to not sell them cheaper elsewhere.

But I am not sure how the courts swing - moralistic or legalistic. This is more of a moral argument.

>>740920762
sydney sweeney?

>>740926884
>If the prosecution can show that "im only buying it if its on steam" is an opinion enough customers share

I can't see how you'd actually be able to prove that

>>740926007
Yet prices are different in different regions and Valve isnt stoppong abyone from selling their games at a different price elsewhere. Hell Tims own EGS actively does this (sell the same games for cheaper than on steam)
All Valve is doing is saying that if you want to use the services Steam provides then you have to use the same price as listed on Steam. Any publisher could give Valve 60 for a steam key and then sell it on their own store for 40, the publisher would just eat the 20 differnece which they dont want to do.

Epic / EA / Actibliz have no legal right to demand that Valve provides access to Steam at a loss for Valve.

>>740926884

You do know what will happen if Valve is successfully sued and can no longer stop developers from selling keys cheaper right?
Valve will simply say "keys are no longer free, each key generated has a 30% of the games fee attached to it. You can then sell the keys at whatever price you want".

>>740922131
What they expect is a pay check
They go out and lie to people so they sign their name under a class action for the promise of money, use their clients as a weapon, keep most of the money if they win and then pay their clients $3 each for their share

>>740926398
there's one or more faggots here that do nothing all day but post these threads

>>740926561
Please stop sending words to the internet, you are clearly too inapt to say anything meaningful

>>740926464
shabbhat shalom, hymie!

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I'd rather have Steam be the monopoly than Sony, Nintendo, Epic, etc. All these disingenuous threads made by jews, bots, and console plebs, kek.
>U DONT OWN UR GAEEEMSS!!
Yes I do, dumb nigger, I remove the DRM whenever I buy one and just play it out of the folder with steam closed, meanwhile you can't even access your own savedata anymore on consoles KEEEEEKKK

>>740926973
Yes, but that would erode their market dominant position as more devs push for alternative, cheaper publishers.
It would annoy customers, who enjoy the Steam monopoly by having a centralized hub for their games, but long term please publishers, who can publish on other, cheaper platforms.

The law against monopoly is a law to protect the BUSINESSES against a monopolist, not customers. Its a corporate law. Its a law to defend Ubisoft from Valve, not to get you cheaper games.

>>740927098
>I'd rather have Steam be the monopoly than Sony, Nintendo, Epic,
spoke like a true Jew

>>740919707
Why is no one mentioning that valve's 30% cut includes payment processor tax?
If you buy on EGS you have to pay the tax yourself (usually between 5 and 6.75%).
You do get a better deal because of those 30%, without even factoring in download servers all around the world, support, forums, workshop (and the bandwidth involved), Steam Multiplayer API, and more shit I'm probably forgetting.
I know these threads are full of console fags and children (aka unironic EGS supporters), but fucking hell.
I will never understand complaining about 30%.
Nor the price parity thing.
> Hurr durr steam HAS to let me sell the game on my website for 30% cheaper while still providing me with all the benefits FOR FREE else they're a monopoly!
Unironically, kill yourself.

>>740919707
fucking kikes never crush anything actually malicious but they'll go after steam

>>740919707
I'm sure this is a disinterested group only concerned with consumers...

>>740926534
>They aren't restricting your game being sold elsewhere, they are restricting Steam keys for your game being sold elsewhere, cheaper than on Steam.
No they are not, CD key sites exist and Valve doesnt give a fuck.
The sticking point here that you are failing to see is how much Valve gets. If the key is legally purchased then Valve got what they think the key is worth, so selling it for cheaper is no problem since its up to the key reseller to figure out how to turn selling a 40 dollar key for 20 into a profitable business.
What this lawsuit is about is the fact that Epic wants to sell Steam keys for 40 on EGS and 60 on Steam, while also only giving Valve 40 for the steam key. Thats no go since Steam has much more value than EGS, just saying "they are both stores" is a nonstarter because even a layman can tell you Steam has more features than EGS, ergo a higher price for those services is justifiable

>>740927123
Sony patented advertisement breaks while gaming for the PS6 btw. Be a good little consolefag and go watch your mandated commercials :)

>>740927123
you glow in the dark

Good old games seems to be doing fine.

>>740925851
the only thing they ask is that people don't take game keys they freely give to developers and permanently sell them cheaper somewhere else

take your gay ass AI post elsewhere

>>740927230
Ok then only sell on EGS for 40 then. Problem solved. You don't get to use Steam's network without also adhering to its T&S which includes not offering a worse base price than competitors.

>>740927230
Steam keys are free, man.
When I publish a game to Steam, I can print 50000 Steam keys, and offer them for sale outside of Steam. VALVE WILL GET ZERO DOLLARS FROMT THIS.
However, Valve will mandate that those sales are NOT cheaper than the asking price on Steam. You can sell outside of Steam, as long as its not cheaper than Steam.
Effectively, because Valve takes 30% of your Steam sales, you can't sell for the same profit outside of Steam, as that would be 30% off the Steam price, and agianst terms.

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>>740919707
>steam cut being too high is anti-competitive
I don't get it. If it's too high it should be easier for other stores to compete, no?

>Steam
>Monopoly
Find me 1 (ONE) game that sold over 100k copies and only released on steam.

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Your move Gaben-san...

>>740927486
That's wrong framing, the high Steam cut is cited as the result of the anti-competative measures.
The actual anti-competative measure is that Valve doesn't allow publishers to sell Stam keys cheaper outside of Steam.
See >>740926534 >>740927479

>>740927486
>I don't get it. If it's too high it should be easier for other stores to compete, no?
No when they demand publisher to offer same price as other stores. Thats the crux of the matter.

Are any of the arguments kikes are throwing against Steam actual legitimate grievances (as opposed to bitching and whining about steam's market position & policies) people have or are they just wedges they are trying to use as attack vectors against Valve?

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>Epic Games Store will be over here waiting for you....
They're really good at doing that and will continue to do so LMFAO!

>>740919707
I wouldn't fuck epic if it turned into a real live catgirl and I love catgirls but epic pushes me away from everything they touch. I will never forgive them till both ut4 and ut5 come out.

>>740925851
retarded clown
if valve didn't have price parity then you'd see developers shitting on steam by listing their games at decoy prices that no one is ever supposed to actually buy while they're reasonable on their own services, thus shitting on valve's reputation by directing people to buy them elsewhere
the end result of that would just be steam demanding exclusivity since that's perfectly legal as demonstrated by consoles

and you'd piss and shit yourself even harder if that were to happen

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>>740919707
All these anti-Steam activity only convinces me to only buy PC games on Steam and nowhere else. I will pirate gen Atlas, I like you Ueda, but since EGS fully financed your game, you do not need my purchase ^_^

>>740927549
>The actual anti-competative measure is that Valve doesn't allow publishers to sell Stam keys cheaper outside of Steam.
why the fuck should they be allowed to use steam's infrastructure for free you fucking idiot?

>>740927486
yes, but kikes don't think the goyim know that, kikes think their retarded pilpul works

>>740921879
This is in euro:
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KIBORG
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Untitled Goose Game
Valorborn
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Grandma, No!
Aerial_Knight's DROPSHOT

>>740926007
Yeah I dont care about whatever mumbo jumbo you are crying about when you don't even know how steam works bro
prices vary by country and by sale and by keyseller

>>740927587
Nope lol they just desperately want to drag Valve down to the level of their shitty storefronts, and since all their storefronts/consoles are managed by the same clique of gaming jew elites, Valve is outnumbered

>>740927119
>that would erode their market dominant position as more devs push for alternative, cheaper publishers
You're assuming enough developers would care about such a change. Most developers do not actually bother to sell Steam keys for cheaper to get around the cut. I'm assuming that's why there's so much bitching about the cut in the first place, cause of all the misinfo surrounding it.

The irony around the whole "can't sell on another platform for less than Steam price" probably stems from EGS's previous attempts to game the system by letting a Publisher advertise on Steam well in advance of release only to up and switch to EGS timed exclusive at the 11th hour. The funny part being that even with Steam implementing the policy of you cannot advertise on Steam unless 12 months out from Steam release if you are on or launching on another platform fixed that loophole. And ultimately it was proven a moot point since launching on EGS was ignored entirely and you weren't considered to have actually launched until it was available on Steam again. I.e. Steam's competitors whom are kvetching over all of this are to blame for the policies and their own fate.

>>740927587
Considering all their lawsuits have been about them being a monopoly (its not), the 30% cut being too high (its industry standard) and/or not allowing them to sell the game lower than on steam (its only for steam keys, no shit sherlock) i'd say not really, they're trying to drown them in legal fees or hoping some court is retarded enough to believe this to set a precedent so they can claw a even bigger slice out of them

>>740919707
Why would any company allow developers to sell their games cheaper somewhere else. If you want your game on steam the least you could do is sell it at an equal price.

>>740927989
They dont sell it cheaper cause "Fuck Valve Lol" They sell it cheaper cause the other store front Ask less from them too.