Aaaaaaaaaahahahahaahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!
The new HD-2D FF drops below 15 FPS on the Switch 2 in the stream footage. You know. A game with 3D geometry from the PS1 era and sprites from the SNES era.
why are japs so bad at programming? when was the last time they did something impressive?
that's a joke, anon
>>740934983I'm buying P4R on pc and a switch 2 for oot. I love my childhood. Its time to go back to Inaba and Hyrule
>>740935057RE9 is one of the best-looking games of all time and came out recently.
>>740935057capcom is generally goodkonami used to be good (fox engine)
>>740934983Sorry, tendies. At least you have your baby games to play instead. Leave the big boys to this.
>>740934983anon
>>740934983>Silent hill>Too much for the ps1 to handle>So the devs included fog to hide graphical effects >Flash forward to now>Fog is now too much for consoles and PCs to handleThese technologically incompetent motherfuckers really are something. Thankfully persona 4 is nothing so it doesn't matter. But holy shit, how can you be this bad at programming when it's your job?
maybe atlus should've retained what little talent they had now their game is going to get outsold by an offline repackage of a mobile gacha
I don't even know if that is a real quote/statement he made, but "Portable" makes me think that Switch 2 is getting a P3P port, or some sort of Persona 4 Golden port on Switch 2, which isn't anything to be excited about.
>>740935057Hmm, I think ffx on ps2 and dead rising on Xbox 360 were the last times japslop wowed me visuallu
>>740935335>consoles and PCs to handleIt's just the shittendo shitch
>>740934983>literally who delusion saying some retarded excuse that it can't run some shit.>when dozen more gpu heavy games can do it.are FAtlus really that incompetend and their fans really that retarded?
cyberpunk works fine but this shit is too much?
>>740934983>source: my assstill funny tho
>>740935335The fog effect on the PSX is just a clipping plane colored grey and a "snow" effect. Modern fog is volumetric and interacts with light meaning it doesn't hide anything from the renderer and the fog effect needs distant rendering to calculate light sources.
>>740934983>anti-soul fog is shitYea, we know
>>740935210>Persona >big boyslmao
>>740935150>>740935080Delusional. You're talking about the same Capcom that released Dragon's Dogma 2 and Monster Hunter Wilds.
>>740934983That's fucked up
They are lying to your faces, fog is literally free to render in games, under the hood opengl/directx render a depth buffer anyhow and you can use that to blend in the fog for free.
>>740934983
>>740935709their engine doesn't do open world well, doesn't mean their teams are bad. I bet 80% of the people who made world were on milds.
Barrier
Hinting at the persona q games being ported like how they remastered eo? Because if it's just persona 3 portable againLolLmao
>>740934983They will magically find a way to make it work a year later because they love doing the double dip shit on Nintendo platforms.
>>740935758Well they're hardly just going to come right out and say "Sorry, we're such absolutely retarteded and incompetent devs we genuinely couldn't figure out how to achieve something relatively simple and so we just completed canned the entire thing."
>>740935057Japanese tried to apply ancient customs to technology to little success. They view open source as plagiarism, and aggressively obfuscate their code, because they don't want anyone else knowing how it works or "stealing" it. Basically, what would be common practice everywhere else would be piracy in japan, including "seeing" the code, like in an IDE.
>>740935720because that's a delusion the xwittertard created trying to go viral. which it did since lots of retards are falling for this.
>>740934983>no sourceso it's fake.
>>740934983>Congolese twitter screencapYou're doing this on purpose aren't you?
>>740936105>>740936120>>740936057first stage: denial
>>740936193I didn't even read the tweet, I just saw the flag.
>>740935057Japanese engineers are shit at English.This was perfectly fine while everyone made their own tools from the ground up and they could always buy a manual or call up someone at Sony/Nintendo for help.This ended up killing them once the barrier of entry went up and the modern cutting edge of all computing, be it computer graphics, programming, optimisation, GPU utilisation, networking and cloud usage, etc. fixated around international-English speaking projects.Whenever you see a project with a passable technical side nowadays, you don't even need to look at the credits to know most of the engineering was done either by Chinese or a fully international team of weebs.
>>>/twatter/>>>/vp/
>>740935080>RE9 is one of the best-looking games of all timelol
>>740935672And the modern developer puts this everywhere which is one of the things that tanks the FPS massively. This anti-soul gas is one of the banes of modern gaming.
>>740936385Just not on the Shitchbox.
>>740936443looks kind of flat without it
>>740935080Except when turning RT off completely breaks the lighting and makes Grace look like a crackhead.
>>740936029Which is incredibly ironic because the Japanese have been some of the biggest thieves around.
>>740936541Because a lot of modern games want to create the illusion of distance without actually committing to it.
>>740936640amazing turnaround on the tokyo dome
>>740936193still no source so you lost, schizo-kun.but keep trying to defend your gay attwore.
>>740936614>except when you lower the settingsNot an argument.
>>740934983>>740936826Is this nigga posting about p6 from the fucking congo?
>>740936614>when turning RT offWhy would anyone do this in current year?
>>740936541But with it? That will be all your FPS, sir. Developers keep trying to create these massive open worlds and like that other anon said also create this "illusion" of distance too which is probably a perfect way to put it.
>>740936640>some of the biggest thieves around>had to paste a bunch of guitar headstocks since he couldn't find more than a few actual copiesOk Xiao, now post the Chinese one
>>740936873>>740936896>japs are gods of programming>uhh THIS ONE DOESN'T COUNT OK?ruh roh
>>740936989I can give you more if you want. I also don't deny the Chinese are even worse.
>>740937123>the tokyo beatleslol
>>740934983The fog is supposed to make the game faster by hiding shit behind it, not slower.......
It's impressive how much bullshit can a Jap say under cover of translation and politeness.
>>740937103Retard. You're so dumb you don't even know it.
>>740935047To be fair this is dev incompetence and not the switch's fault.
>>740935335The switch is a toy, not a console or a pc
>>740937293never is
>>740937228That's the problem with fog being a particle effect instead of simply being a render distance limit.
>>740937228That's not how fog effects works anymore. It actually interacts with light sources now.
>>740934983>Fog is too hard to process the swich can't handle it:(Isn't fog literally used to hide render distance and shit so consoles don't explode on the first place? what kind of retarded excuse is this.
>>740936640>>740937123Unironically these are mostly unimpressive as a case. For IP, you're pointing at obvious references that they are pretty open about being references for the most part. The stuff that aren't references are pretty much common items in general, so I can only think "of course they'll look 90% the same, that's how engineering works." On top of that, you can tell that the creator of the image was struggling to make this point because he took the "major" offenders of this and spread them out to make it look like it occurs more often than it actually is, like having the Metal Gear portraits spread out to make you think it's 5+ occurrences when it's all one game. It's like saying a guy stole 2,000 times, when in reality he stole once from a register that had 2,000 coins + bills in it.It's not an effective argument for the idea that "The Japanese are thieves and steal everything!", and as far as rage bait goes, I can imagine the creator had a few replies in his life but not much more than that. I would rate it...~3/10. The emotional impact of someone pulling out a party trick you've seen a couple of times before. "Oooh, yeah. Cool bro."
>>740934983I thought fog was supposed to help performance (See silent hill)
>>740935047And that game's supposed to be on the Switch 1 as well. Though they probably deserve what they get for buying anything on that fucking tablet.
>>740936640When Japan copies they are genuine in their love for American culture and literally copy paste the exact same thingWhen chinese copy they disguise it as an original idea and sell it as superior.
>>740937472That was old fog. New fog makes your games run slower.
Lmfao
>>740935057>the last time they did something impressive?Programming wise it was compressing Kanto in Pokemon GSC.Wish western devs would surrender the white male coders, that they replaced with jeets and women, to japanese studios, so nips could focus on tweaking gameplay and level design.
>>740937637one tismo in the comments zoomed in and claims it's AI
>>740937491Hmm, yes. Just "references".
>>740934983When will /v/ finally realise that tendies holding back game industry?
>>740934983Pragmata, Onimusha and RE9 running on the SW2 kinda shows Atlus is retarded. Nothing these cheap Persona games are doing is more demanding than what Capcom is making.
>>740937491>"of course they'll look 90% the same, that's how engineering works."The flabbergasting part is them not applying that thought to code anon, not thinking it in first place.
>>740937637>le my tech is so le dusty xDall that means is you are a filthy NIGGER who doesnt clean his spaceany console will get dusty regardless how much you use it
>>740937563>old fogDogshit engine fog maybe
>>740934983>It's not our fault, it's uh... Nintendo's fault, we promise>ignore Persona 5 on S1 and Persona 3 on S2 plsI kinda wish Nintendo were more openly hostile with their lawyers, this is just objectively untrue
I played 5 on the switch 2. It strained on the anime cut scenes but never in the gameplay. I just don’t understand technology
>>740935057>when was the last time they did something impressive?TRON was pretty good, but that was back before Microsoft paid the US government to castrate the Japanese software industry.
>>740937734I rather think it's ESLs like you. Get back to sucking those dog dicks like you promised.
>>740934983Huh that's bullshit. The Switch 2 is a very powerful handheld. Problem is that's a different architecture from PC, Xbox S|X and PS5 so care needs to be made in porting games to it.
>>740934983all i'm hearing is "our mediocre fog uses 40% of the GPU on PS5"
>>740937718I like how you addressed none of the stronger issues which make up 80% of your images. But yes, most of the IP of what you posted are just references.>>740937746Oh that shit drives me crazy. I saw another anon talking about "Genius Japanese programmers", when in reality it was like 5-6 dudes that were basically running the entire advancements of the gaming industry. And one of them, Satoru Iwata, passed on, sadly.
>>740937823Uh oh, melty. Go back playing shovelwares, tendie!
>>740937556Sure, to an extent, but like I was basically getting at before, that's until you "steal" from them. Now suddenly, it's their IP which MUST be aggressively protected!
>>740938029I am holding you to this, you fucking hypocrite. You scum.
>>740934983I'm an Atlus fan. But that honestly says way more about Atlus than it does about the NS2.
>>740938184Not really, it shows how clunky and badly thought out the Switch's architecture is. Even Rogue Trader struggles to run on it.
>>740938150>/v/ is one personLeast mentally deranged tendie.
>>740938098This is probably the weakest of the charts you've posted so far. So because two people drew bat monsters I'm supposed to think this is stolen? You do realize that bats are a fairly common thing, no? This is really funny, but probably not for the reasons you're hoping for. How often have you posted these?
>>740938273Give it up; you've been noticed.
>>740938306Right. Pokémon totally didn’t rip off Dragon Quest, but drawed some "inspiration" from it instead, hmm? And not often.
>>740938184Metaphor looks like a blurry jagged mess on the PS5, Atlus can't code for shit.
Do people who buy a switch care about graphical fidelity?
>>740937947>when in reality it was like 5-6 dudesThe average Japanese is as incredibly dumb as the average Indian or black American. The only difference is they probably had some genuinelly autistic emperors aeon ago, so their version of izzat/street-cred is actually based on being quiet in public, clean, thoughtful of personal limits, respectful of people who achieve mastery and hard-working. They don't do those things because they have internalized objective morals though, they're just as external-validation concern as the next mutt, but their system is set up so external-validation comes from acting like an autist. Good content does mostly come from outliers though, the concept of a shokunin is respected there, creating an environent where autists that channel their autism into a creative task will often have better chances than elsewhere.
>>740934983At what point do we shift from "lol Nintendo still has shit hardware" to "lol devs can't adapt to hardware for shit"Because this seems like that point
Just say we didn't develop the game for SW2 instead of making excuses. They should know after seeing how Capcom is making games for the console that their lie is easy to spot.
>>740938184>>740938271It moreso shows companies are too used to bloated hardware and can't optimize anymore.Resident Evil 9 is one of the most visually detailed games of the generation and it runs perfectly fine.P4R just looks like the last two Persona games.
>>740938467>drawedGave the game away.
>>740937323That's not true, but in this case it is.
>>740938098>>740938467>Dragon Quest invented bats>Dragon Quest invented caterpillars >Dragon Quest invented rabbits>Dragon Quest invented clams>Dragon Quest invented crabs>Dragon Quest invented beetles>Dragon Quest invented dragons>Dragon Quest invented rocks>Dragon Quest invented tigers>Dragon Quest invented birdsMost of these don't even has a baseline visual similarity. The second creature in the top row, they look nothing alike.The most you're getting are the duck crossbreeds and the ominous floating purple orb, but that's just Japanese folklore shit if you spend more than one minute looking into it.
>>740938271Switch 2 is Arm, PS5 and Xbox are x86_64it shows which devs have good programmers and which ones have bad programmers (or programmers who aren't given enough time to do their job properly)
>>740937771It's volumetric fog, it does take more rendering power but in this case it's just dev incompetence.
>>740938467>but drawed some "inspiration" from it instead,1. *drew, you third-worlder.2. It didn't even do that. I don't find it credible for a second that either one influenced the other. They're just regular animals turned into monsters. lol.I was kind of hoping you had more, by the way. These are hilariously embarrassing for you.>>740938538Now this I completely disagree with. This is the opinion of someone who's only interaction with the Japanese is through anime.
>>740937542There's a difference between volumetric fog and linear fog.
>>740938642Oh, no. Is that...a grammar error!? I accidently wrote "drawed "instead of "drawn". It's over. You got me...
>>740937718Any examples from this century, grandma?
>>740938897the Switch is just an Nvidia Shield
>>740934983toy console for literal down syndrome retards
>>740938880Good morning, sar.
>>740934983Tendies will have to wait until Switch 3 to play P4R and P6. Sad!
>>740938928No, it uses the same SoC and that's about it. By that logic almost everything in the 90's was a Sega Genesis.
>>740938184the top is definitely not on Switch 2. first to go will probably be the fauna, then the lamps
>>740935709just because it's under the same company doesn't mean the same people worked on it
>>740938880Saar, please do not redeem the images!
>>740934983They would be more respected if they admited they are bad developers and can't code shit. Cyberpunk runs amazing, but this shit can't. Also, their MR port sucks.
>>740938775>Now this I completely disagree with.Fight it all you want, sub120 IQ is only a mark of being educated to properly follow instructions. Most japs aren't geniuses, and interacting with them outside of anime is in fact what created that impression on me.
>>740935335>Thankfully persona 4 is nothing so it doesn't matter.kek
>>740938775You got me! I made an error and didn't say "drew" or something because I'm tired. It's OVER for me. And you don't find it credible? Why? Dragon Quest is said to have popularised the idea of monster collecting and there's even on-record statements about how it had "influence" on Pokemon.
>>740939326*popularized
>>740935335>Switch 2 is garbage>Retarded Nintendo fans think that means all consoles and PCs are garbage just like it.
>100+ replies to obvious joke tweet screencapWhat are we doing anons
>>740939507witnessing the downfall of glorious nippon
>>740939507Tendies are deranged
>>740939326>And you don't find it credible? Why?You do understand that simply posting an argument doesn't make it true, even if it goes unaddressed, right? The argument itself has to be convincing in the first place or it has no effect. Your new image here is a perfect example. I can merely look at this image and just walk away with the thought of "This didn't convince me that this statement/idea was true at all." I don't have to go into details like "Man in stockade is not an original or unique idea", I don't have to talk about how "Guts doesn't really look like Bruce Campbell" and I don't even need to point out that images like the lower right are conceptually two different ideas altogether.The Dragon Quest/Pokémon image is unconvincing, even for low-IQ people who hate anime. None of the things look like each other other than the fact that they are roughly based on the same source real-life animal. It's just that simple.
>>740939351Wrong! Oh no, it's over for you! You can use both by the way. Check a dictionary some time to see why.
>>740939703I know why I CAN use both. Doesn't mean I should.Graychad out.
>>740939624Okay. It's all just unconvincing and coincidence. Nothing I showed looks like each other. There's only just "references" and so on. You got me! I concede!
>>740939507Pissing away a Friday morning at work, praying for the day to end faster so I can go to sleep and not be conscious for a precious few hours.
>>740934983Based. The less people play Persona, the better.
>>740939790Uh huh.
>>740935057>why are japs so bad at programming?Honestly, you can't sit there and tell me the Switch 2 can't handle fog, that' s fucking retarded. Cyberpunk has dust storms, it obscures your vision, that's what these particle effects DO. Reduce the render distance to what you can fucking see.
>>740936904It's the fact they wont commit that pisses me off, if you want to do open world then make it big, don't make it "look big".
>>740934983Japan can't into optimization. It's a well-known fact.
>>740935485nani? What game is this anon talking about
>>740938519There's a technical analysis as to why Metaphor runs as badly as it does.The TL;DR is that Atlus indeed can't code for shit and they absolutely fucked up on a kiddie-tier rendering pipeline and absolutely basic culling methods.>https://vkguide.dev/docs/extra-chapter/graphics_analysis_metafor/Thankfully for everyone involved, UE5 might be sloppy, but it was made by people who genuinely know what they're doing so Persona games won't suffer from their retardation... as much in the future.
0 sources, just one retard on twitter and a bunch of other console war retards arguing for no reason in this thread.
>>740938519same as it ever was
>>740934983this is just PR bullshit. there are ways to have fog effects that a cheap to implement, they either don't want to or they have some of the most incompetent graphics programmers in the industry.
>>740935335you're a fucking retarded tendie that knows nothing about videogames, congrats
>>740934983Ahahahahha ohnononono>mfw did't fall for the switch2 meme
