https://automaton-media.com/en/news/final-fantasy-vii-revelation-director-says-todays-rpgs-need-more-player-agency-because-fans-may-be-satisfied-just-watching-streams/
I will never understand why devs keep trying to appeal to people who don’t even play games.
Archive your link faggot your not getting my 5cent click
Is there any group of people more pathetic than those who watch other people play games?
>>740940517>hey we got some retarded useless statistics so we are gonna go full retard with this unrealistic data we gotthese corpo retards are some of the dumbest fucking retards to ever exist
>>740940517I mean he's right, if the game doesnt feel and play different when played by someone else then it is a problem.
>>740940843yes the people who can't focus and engage with a subject unless its a black person reacting to it and then want it archived on kemono
>>740940517I neither want to play nor watch anyone play the FFVII remakes because they look like shit.Maybe RPGs today just need to not be shit.
>>740940517I don't understand why retards ITT are complaining, he's right. Games do need more player agency. I don't like linear games, I don't like handholdy games, I don't like movie games.
This is why as a PC player I don't feel like I'm missing out when Sony says "no more exclusives for you!". That's fine I'll just watch your moviegames on twitch.
Maybe the gameplay should be good enough for people to want to play it to be satisfiedwhat do you think bros?
>>740940517He is 100% right tho. Having very little player agency and control over the story was always one of the reasons why JRPGs were considered inferior to CRPGs.
>>740940517Considering some people praise dating mechanics in Atluslops, he's probably right
>>740940517>make movie “game”>surprised nobody buys gameand its not because theyre even watching anyone play itblaming ecelebs is retarded
>>740940843Male feminists
>>740940517they need less wokeness and more anti wokeness
>>740941187And atlusslop dating mechanics are garbage. After 5 games they still cant make the social links affect the ending in any way, you just get a "we will meet later" extended cutscene.
>>740941357there is no such thing as anti-woke no matter who hard you are trying to push this term
>>740941187>7r>movie game>when the main complaint about rebirth is that there's too much gameplaylol lmao
>>740940517hes right though jrpgs need a lot more player agency
>>740941425What would be a valid complaint of 7r?
>>740940718The devs don't play games either
>>740940718if they can convert the tens of millions of nogamers who watch the game into people who buy the games then their goyslop won't flop again
>>740940718infinite growth
>>740941425He'd have known that if he played video games. Pretty funny that he's one of the turdbrains who watch and don't play.
>>740941425Damn, you got him angry now, look how he reacts >oh yeah!? well, whats a valid criticism then!?
>>740940517>we need to make better games to get more players.Shocking discovery.
>>740941551Yeah, Barry's fuming. The question is if he's gonna samefag for 16 hours straight now.
>>740940517>fidelity increases>seriously branching paths double or triple workload>big RPGs are already stuck in development for a good decadeuntil we have the ability to actually use genAI to shorten dev time RPGs are going to lose more and more world reactivity or branching paths.
>>740941586thats not barry, barry doesnt falseflag and has a very distinctive way of writing. It's another, you will learn in time
It's really funny to me how publishers can't decide if they like streamers or not.
I can give you valid praise, but ask for a valid criticism and you immediately chimp out. That's the difference. And that's why you're a barry.
>>740941654Don't refer to yourself in third person, schizobro.
>>740941659they like streamers who are moving units, they hate streamers who just broadcast the game to an audience who doesn't buy games.
>>740941007No one asked tho?
I watch my vtuber gf play AAA slop and I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything
>>740941459The valid complaint of 7R is that your mom is Jenova.
>>740941845That's my point though, those aren't two different groups of people, they're the same.
>>740941895I asked
>>740941945Link to her tuber so I can see your gf?>>740941659It's definitely still a murky area for the devs.
>>740941538Embrace communism
>>740941895>No one asked tho?Hamaguchi was asked
>>740942049and it's the marketing departments job to figure out which streamer is what and whether or not it's worth booking them.
>>740940517That's obviously retarded bullshit made up to justify more westaboo changes. People who primarily watch streams for personalities, and if anything it's games with high player agency that get watched the most, unless we are now pretending games like Minecraft or the various types of multiplayer games aren't the most streamed games in existence.
>>740940517This >>740941187. AAA gaming spent the last decade reshaping itself into an industry that produces either games meant to be watched or games where you're meant to play the same thing forever. Why would anyone buy either of those when live streaming exists? If studios want people to buy their games, they need to make games worth playing, where the player interfacing with the game is an important part of the experience
>>740940517hes right but for the wrong reasons
>>740941007FF7 staff saying that would be like Naughty Dog's Next Guy saying games need more attractive women and gameplay.
>>740942254He's wrong for the wrong reasons. RPGs do not need "player agency" it's just an excuse to not have any design.
>>740941634They just need to be smart about it, like Deus Ex and Gothic. Those games aren't very open-ended at all but they feel that way because of the presentation and how much of the player's actions they are actually able to account for and respond to
Doesn't matter howmany changes you add to the game, the average zoomernigger cattle would rather watch a stream of the it being played by their surrogate friends than play it themselves.
>>740940517KEEEEEEK THEYRE STILL IGNORING PERSONA
>>740941425I think agency and gameplay are different things. Agency isn't just going somewhere to fight people in a different order, but choices that affect the continuation of a story. Like, let's not even go to the most linear of examples like the classic Sony movie games, TLoU, God of War, etc. where you have no input into the story. And it's fine if you get one ending in 7r, I think, if you can do enough things that are optional that can have their own conclusion, and feel like there is some impact there. It's a good thing that the developer is also honest about it. Unlike some other devs. Like, there is no downside to watching the latest God of War on Twitch instead of playing it, because you won't get a different experience other than pushing the buttons differently. Which is not a big sell nowadays unless you make the button press feel fundamentally different to most other games out there. But Nu-God of War only plays one way, and it doesn't offer anything else. If that's what you want, then it's good, but I don't know if that's all it should be.
>>740942383Those games also aren't very good. JRPGs need to stop trying to emulate western jank trash.
>>740940517True. Also I would have been much more satisfied with Rebirth if I just watched streams of it, because holy fuck that battle system is such a slog.
>>740942369Player agency means that thing you pretend your favorite JRPGs have where you can actually make builds and playthroughs aren't all identical back to back. It doesn't get more designy.
>>740942161If Asmongold streams your entire game to a million people that's a million people who have seen the entire game.Nobody knows what this means for sales.
>>740942454>I think agency and gameplay are different thingsGameplay is a way to give agency to the player. They are not different things. Gameplay is an answer. Agency can be addressed by story choices, different endings, different paths, different outcomes.
>>740942369Having playing agency requires way more effort to implement, that's why they are not doing it in the first place. What the fuck are you talking about
>>740942492How are those games bad?
>>740940843The streamers themselves are only marginally less pathetic thsn the dents who donate to them. Literal panhandlers e-begging for their remarkable talent of... talking over a game that other people made.
>>740941945This.
>>740940843
>>740942495I feel like the whole game just says "No" every time you try to engage with it. Too many long and drawn out stagger animations. Not just in battle but if you collide with a wall outside of combat for example.
>>740940517I enjoyed watching a playthrough of Remake more than playing it. Didn't buy the second game
>>740942514I guess you can also argue that making story/dialogue choices is part of the gameplay, Planescape: Torment made a very solid case for it, I think. I guess what I mean is that taking players down a path to choose what order to press the button is not the kind of gameplay that sells games anymore, and you need to give players more agency in what they are doing than that. I mean, the only agency that has, is the ability to move forward, or load from checkpoint, win/lose fight. By this point, we've all won/lost enough fights that the idea of it being just that, to watch a cutscene where two/three people talk for 10 minutes is just not an exciting prospect, without any player input in the meantime. You could just remove story/dialogue completely, or reduce it to the bare minimum, but that is more regressive, than actually solving the issue, in my opinion.
>>740942492JRPGs were born from emulating those "western jank trash" in the first place. Modern JRPG devs could learn a lot from playing CRPGs.
>>740940843Most of /v/
>>740942454This has nothing to do with that post. 7R is criticized for having too much gameplay. It's the exact opposite of a movie game. It's a very warped shitposting take.
>>740942512advertising your game to a million people, no matter the audience, will boost sales. but again, it's the marketing departments job to figure out by how much. it's also their job to find the cheapest influencer with the right game-buying audience.
In other words current gen kids are pathetic no-hopers who spend their every waking hour glued to their phones watching streams hosted by idiots they relate to.
>>740940843Not many if they watch mainstream types. Let's Players and walkthoughs were better.
>Watching video gamesKill all zoomers
>>740943007I don't think it says that about 7R specifically. At least, I didn't interpret it as such, but more like a critique of the industry as a general. But that may just be me. I am waiting for the final game to play the entire trilogy before I start 7R. I just have bought the first 2 games.
>>740940517He's right but it's not because of streaming. JRPGs have been completely obsoleted since BG3. They're actually just a lesser medium altogether now.
>>740942902>I guess you can also argue that making story/dialogue choices is part of the gameplay, Planescape: Torment made a very solid case for itHow is it, exactly?I ask because im playing kingdom come: deliverance 2 and man, even when the game lets you choices to make, i still think the different paths just dont feel like theres different paths, but bad path and good path.Like, one path is more direct and gives to 50 gold, and the other path gives you 400 gold and takes a little more effort. Clearly, nobody will take the direect path, like why?I guess these games need some roleplaying sense behind to be played correctly
>>740942740Yeah the battles in general take way too long. I don't hate the battle system but it gets stale really quickly especially if you're doing side content. I feel like the battle system would work well in a linear action game, not in a semi-open rpg.
>>740943007I think the fact that you would take issue with ANYTHING bad said about these games might skew your objectivity on this issue.
>>740940517I couldn't even watch redditbirth on youtube, because looking at the player go through all that mindless padding and busywork bored me to death. It was as interesting as watching a janny mop floors. What a "game"
>>740940843probably forum moderators
>>740943297sweaty
>>740940517Or maybe they need more player agency because the premises that the industry has been working off of since the mid-00s are wrong. The fact that this is a discussion after 15 years of Minecraft speaks volumes about the inability of the industry leadership to grapple with how games differ from movies.>You can't base the standards of the entire industry off of the success of one game.True. It's been an overarching trend that when gamers are given an option that's more gameplay-focused, they take it. GTA, Monster Hunter, Souls, Fallout, etc. The success of theme park movie games in the mid-00s should be seen as a consequence of graphics hype (7th gen was the peak of it) and the kinds of games that were allowed to be given a budget back then.
>>740940843People who post on 4chan.
>>740940718>people who don’t even play games./v/?
>>740940517He's right. Video games should give people a reason to play them, not just watch other people play them.>>740943374Fixed the sound.
>>740942510"Player agency" just means few or no wrong answers. Casuals hate getting soft locked because their build is bad. You will do another playthough because you got locked and need to try something different. Same reason in any other actual game you game over and have to start again.>>740942540>Having playing agency requires way more effort to implementHmmm no im pretty sure open world sandbox slop has only gotten more common because of it being easy to just let the player do whatever they want without direction. I know retards will bring up nuGoW but that's a different genre (it's also disingenuous to even say what nuGoW is doing is low effort. You can put a lot of effort into something wrong or bad.)
>>740943170You could say that, but that is a game that doesn't do a good job at it. Even in Planescape: Torment there are choices that give better benefits than others, but on a first playthrough that will be hard to identify without a guide. It is a labyrinth of choices that you need to navigate to. But there is also the fact that the writing is so good that sometimes the dialogue itself is the reward of going through that labyrinth. I didn't particularly care for the KCD games, to be honest, exactly because the dialogue and the choices weren't that great. Planescape: Torment on the other hand has some of the best conversations I ever read in gaming. VA delivery is also another thing. And I think the first Red Dead Redemption is the best in that part, although not much dialogue options in there, otherwise, Mass Effect 2 probably has some of the best deliveries, matched with good dialogue in a game I've ever played.
>>740940843Sure, i'm pathetic for not paying 80 bucks to watch a moviegame where i cant skip the boring gameplay
>>740943587We are talking about rpgs tho. Like imagine Disco Elysium.
>>740943265Claiming this is a movie game when the single most voiced criticism is that there's too much gameplay is simply poor shitposting form, lil bro. More effort has to be put in.
>>740943631>want to check the gameAh come on
>>740943730I don't know anything about Disco Elysium.
>>740943739Again, it's hard to take your position seriously when you'd take issue with ANY criticism of these games, no matter what it was.
>>740943918Projecting hard. There's one criticism being targeted here. And it's one that's objectively incorrect, seeing as it conflicts with the primary criticism of Rebirth. You come off as unwell.
>>740943746If that's Planescape: Torment, then yes. The conversations are the gameplay. You actually require little in terms of combat to beat the game, if you know what to do. That is the downside of Torment. But your choices can lead to some whacky individual resolutions, if you exclude the only 3 endings the game has, IIRC. It is very interactive in its dialogue.
>>740942454>storydon't caremake interesting gameplay and people will play itdifferent builds you can try out, interesting bosses that you need to fight differently based on your builds and how they react to you, levels you can explore and figure out yourself, etcthere are millions of things you can do, and making games like this means not only do people PLAY your game (ie buy it) but then they want to watch people play it as well because they want to see how x person does it, so they will shill it to streamers for you.narrative choice is irrelevant and people will just watch it on youtube, regardless of how many choices you have, it needs to be a game about gameplay
>>740943170>Like, one path is more direct and gives to 50 gold, and the other path gives you 400 gold and takes a little more effort. Clearly, nobody will take the direect path, like why?Never played KCD2, but that just sounds like a shitty way to do different paths. Take the saving Tandi quest in the original Fallout for example. There are at least four ways to do it, and whether they are available or not very much depends on what choices you've made before (stats, skills, a certain reputation you can get, etc.). Other good CRPGs also have stuff like this, where choices aren't just a matter of pressing button A or B.
>>740942946Wizardy and Ultima are nothing like Deus Ex and Gothic. Maybe westerners stumbled onto something good and were then like "nah, we want garbage imitations of VNs in disguise with awful real-time combat".
>>740944008But I'm right. You can't tell me a single criticism of these games that you would accept, so why are you pretending we all need to work harder to find a proper criticism and express it better when you won't accept any regardless of how hard or how little we try or what the criticism may be?
>>740944118I just told you that the opposite is true of Rebirth. You're having an argument with yourself. It has 100+ combat challenges on top of everything else. Too much gameplay. Are you having a stroke?
>>740943746>fancy literature levels of writingwhy do retards think literature = good, literature means entered into competitions rather than sold on shelves, it isn't an indicator of quality, there is lots of dogshit literature.
>>740940843porn watchers
>>740940843People who spend all day arguing with strangers online about video games they've never played instead of playing video games.
>>740944029I think Bioware who put extra emphasis on story, characters and interactive dialogue choices, made a very good case for story and dialogue in games. Again, though, if the dialogue is shit, then that fucks the game. But as Anthem proudly showed, nobody buys Bioware games to push buttons differently. There is an audience for it. Baldur's Gate 3 majorly capitalized on it. There is no reason why in this industry we can't have both, provided people do good jobs at it.
>>740943587>Casuals hate getting soft locked because their build is bad.You are brain dead. JRPG deserved to get hijacked by a sloppy atlus series no one even plays themselves (which isn't too distant from FF7 in that regard, for that matter).
>>740944016>The conversations are the gameplay.WRPGfags will say this shit unironically then say VNs aren't games.
>>740940517Imagine what happens when developers find out you can make actual theatrical movies in game engines now.
>>740944237Lots of those.
>>740944178You don't believe it has too much gameplay though. If anyone made that claim in another thread you would pounce on them to say that's not a valid criticism. Just like any other criticism anyone makes of these games.
>>740944036>Never played KCD2, but that just sounds like a shitty way to do different paths.Yeah, tell me about it.There was this sidequest that its about someone who sells you a map to a supposed treasure. You can either buy it, not buy it (which means it doesnt start) or, what i did at first, rob the map so you can see it first.Turns out that if you dont buy it, you "technically" start the sidequest but it locks you out of the resolution of the sidequest. Turns out the map was fake, and like you there were many like you falling for it, it ends once you realize it was a fake.If you buy the map, however, you can go back to the seller, he explains the whole story behind and it can end in multiple ways, getting the money back, kill him or forgive him.My point is: why would i rob him now?
>>740942248Nice cereal collection
>>740944271See, you're having an argument with yourself. I just said it has too much gameplay. The exact opposite of a blatantly stupid, fake criticism. How can it be a movie game when there's outright too much gameplay? You're an idiot, bro. Will you continue arguing with yourself while responding to me? Is that the level of self-awareness you're operating on?
>>740944257I never said that. Kinetic novels are probably, though.
>>740944249>There is an audience for it. Baldur's Gate 3 majorly capitalized on itbaldurs gate 3 story is irrelevant to why people liked it, it has one, but it isn't the point of the game, I enjoyed it and I am sure others enjoyed it, but you enjoy the story while playing the game.The point of bg3 is to get into interesting combat encounters and do crazy shit that works, especially in multiplayer when u do it with friends.its a game with a bunch of troll dialog options you would never seriously pick, in single player there isn't really a reason to pick them as you know you will just die or get fucked over, but there is a point to pick them in multiplayer to fuck with ur friends.idk what world you live in where you think the reason people were interested in, played, or liked bg3 for its fucking story lmao
>>740944369>Kinetic novels are [not games] probably, though.Is what I meant to say. Sorry.
New games are so shit that they're only bearable in video form
>>740944364You think these games have too much gameplay? Anything else you don't like about them?
>>740940517I have a groundbreaking suggestion for them: make your game fun to play so people would want to.
>>740944178>Are you having a stroke?Yes, yes he is. You might be an outsider here, but this is the shit we have to deal with in every single FF7r thread. He's a shitposter that will always post the same pastas, and keep pestering you the moment you disagree with someone who's criticizing the trilogy, specially if that someone made a fake criticism. Someone can say "i hate that they removed tifa and cloud sex scene in midgar, just like the original". And if you say "but that doesnt happen in midgar" and he will, without exception, ask you the same question over and over again: "what's a valid criticism?", because according to him, you disagreeing with someone means you won't accept ANY criticism whatsoever.
>>740944518Do you know? You know. You will continue knowing. When you go to bed tonight, you will know what you spent your day doing. You will know what you'll spend the next day doing. You know. Eternally chasing dopamine highs from low IQ shitposting. That's you.
>>740940718>why is a company trying to make more profit than last year???>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCT SUFFERS????
streamers are bussin
>>740944538The perceived anonymity is what draws these craziest to this site. They manage to expose themselves and become lolcows anyway.
>>740944718Yeah that's pretty much what I figured. You remind me of Barry. He also spends every waking moment of his life telling anyone who criticizes his fave FF that they are wrong, no matter what they say. He also would rather die than say anything bad about his fave FF.
>>740940517Then explain FFXIV's continual success, 7 expansions and carrying this goddamned company on it's back for over a decade if the game is boring as shit to watch.
>>740944838I'm just glad we're lolling at him and he's not lolling at us. We have a lot in common, you and I. I bet we could agree on things for hours.
>>740944851You know. You won't stop knowing. There's no escape from the knowledge. You're an addict. You're fully aware of what you are and what you do. You know.
>>740944867it's a fucking VN with MMO elements, of course it's boring to watch
>>740940517that's been a growing problem for the past several years. but people who just want to watch others play video games are going to continue to just watch. player agency isn't going to change that. if anything, it scares more people off because they can't be bothered to make decisions. why do you think they're watching people to begin with? they don't want player agency or even want to put in the effort to just push buttons. they want to see some unfunny balding fuck or some animated waifu png with a terrible sounding voice to overreact to shit.
>>740944942I asked you what criticisms of 7R you'd accept and now you're talking like this. Very, very funny how much that simple question flays your mind to pieces.
>>740944838see what i mean? >>740944920Now he falseflags. This is the shit we have to deal with.
>>740944440I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I think you are being intentionally controversial and inflammatory with that attitude. If that is how you really feel then I don't see how this conversation can continue.
>>740943657If you hate it so much, why do you want to watch it still
>>740944219I rather watch porn than play VN
>>740940843Devs who make games that are so worthless that you can get the same experience by watching someone else play them.
>>740941425You shouldn't conflate 'expanding everything into bloat for the sake of bloat' with 'too much gameplay', they are very much different things.
>>740940718I remember someone explaining they have to add characters constantly repeating things because people don't look at movies anymore, they watch them WHILE scrolling
>>740940517Ok Hama, how does this affect my ending with Aerith?
>>740940517I'd be satisfied when Final Fantasy games are turn-based JRPGs again. But ever since Enix bought Square:>Final Fantasy games aren't JRPGs so they don't compete with Dragon Quest anymore. Personally, I don't mind turning on auto-play, having less agency, when I'm grinding mobs. Which you can do in DQ11
>>740944992I've already criticized the game, and that criticism just so happened to directly conflict with your current narrative. You're having an argument with yourself for reasons you're keenly aware of. Because you know.
>>740941425Garbage ass minigames are not gameplay.
>>740945525mario party bros in shambles
>>740940517>Make movie games>People would rather watch it like a moviewhat was the expectation here?
>>740945525The majority of Rebirth's playtime comes from combat challenges, not minigames.
>>740940517If potential customers are watching youtube videos and don't think that the gameplay looks interesting enough that they NEED to jump in there themselves, you should view that as your failure as a dev.That doesn't mean that it needs more flashing lights and noise for the ADHD crowd. It means that the gameplay loop needs to be deeper and more engaging. The viewer should be thinking about all of the things that HE would do to customize Cloud's skillset and how he would use it on his adventure. Or how relaxing/thrilling it looks to explore. Or what it'd be like to fight that boss himself.. Streams and good videogames have a symbiotic relationship.
>>740945474Sure man, you think the game has too much gameplay. You believe that, I believe you.
>>740940718They're trying to appeal to a new audience to replace the mostly middle-aged and male audience that Final Fantasy has. Instead of playing to the series' strengths.Like FF15 trying to appeal to fujo and gay western audiences while turning off the majority of the audience: straight guys and gals.
>>740940517Keep in mind that this is a translation. You can read it like this too>Because modern RPGs have so little player agency fans may be satisfied just watching streams/videosIt can't be healthy to always interpret everything the way that makes your cortisol levels rise the most.
>>740945868See. You're addicted. You need this. Circular shitposting 24/7. When the engagement doesn't fit, simply repeat yourself to fuel your addiction. This is what your life is. Don't forget. I know that you know. I know how empty your life is. Why you do this. And so do you. Enjoy repeating the cycle again tomorrow.
>>740945101you talk a lot about games you haven't played, huh?maybe you shouldn't form an opinion on things you know nothing about, they are also not good to bring up as an example when you don't know anything about them.
>>740944219Say what you want about Christians but at least they don't have a Fair Game Clause in their doctrine that says it's okay to do stuff against their beliefs to harm people that don't follow their religion. Unlike Jews, Muslims, Mormons and Scientologists.
>>740940517This but horror games
>>740946084I know you don't think 7R has too much gameplay. You have to lie to "win"Because I'm right about you. You're a Barry for 7R. And like any Barry, you deserve mockery.Funny how it's always you, isn't it? Why don't I ever find myself having this exchange with others. I've seen you do exactly this before.
>>740945169If i dont know a game, i cant hate it. Thats why i just watch it and skip the entire BS parts. No point in buying if dont know i like it.In case of f7r i'm glad it didnt spend a dime on the game and just watch it.I will probably watch the third part, just to check out what kind of crapt they pull to save everyone.
>>740940843people talking about losers who only watch streamsalso generally orbiters
>>740940843taxpayers
>>740940718line must go up forever
>>740940843People who buy them.Unless you mean 20 years ago.
>>740940517RPGs don't mix with streaming or videos, that has be the most boring genre to watch someone else to play and opposite to what they think the more agency they have the easier they are to turn into something to watch.
>>740945879You know what's funny? By appealing to dad (assuming that he didn't turn into a henpecked little bitch after entering a relationship), you also stand a good chance of appealing to his teenage son. Long running scenes tend to get generational fans.All of those young men who wish that they lived in the 90s would be their happy customers if the industry hadn't treated guys with so much contempt, from treating them like retards and trying to turn male spaces into mixed spaces in the 00s to outright vilifying them in the 2010s and 2020s.
>>740946238Baldur's Gate 3 is one of the most interactive games in terms of narrative of the past half a decade. Sure, people bought it for the TBS combat as well, and for Larian's track record, but it is the combination of the elements to the extent that they are that gave the game the appeal that it had. To imply that people only played because they wanted 5E D&D gameplay, which tanked in the TTRPG marker by the way, is disingenuous at best, lying at worst. Which is why your conclusion makes no sense.
>>740943657Absolute badass.
>>740940517Add engaging romance/marriage options for both men and women, and a lot of them.It's that simple.The moment a talented studio does this their popularity fucking explodes (at least in the US). Fire Emblem with Awakening, Vanillaware with Unicorn Overlord, ATLUS with Persona 3 back in the day, I could go on.All they have to do is prey on the loneliness of the incredibly isolated generations of modern day and they will make bank.
>>740940718Saar focus group say very good Do the needful Redeem twitch view
>>740940843>tfw at relative's house>kids are watching TV>it's literally someone just broadcasting a playthrough of a video gameThank goodness I threw away my TV subscription 5 years ago.
>>740940517Individuals who want to play the game, play the game. Individuals who want to watch the game being played, watch the game being played. Agency in an RPG is about game design, not media consumption.
>>740940843Sometimes you want to turn your brain off and watch low-impact non-interactive media.Watching people play a videogame where the player has a strong influence on the world or certain genres like racing can be fun. Especially if the streamer is charismatic. And if you're playing the game, you can learn something.
I'm happy streams exist, I can see if something is worth my money or not.So glad they saved me 70+tip with what a colossal pile of shit Rebirth was.
>>740940843yeah, you, twitter fags complaining about everything. and politicians
>>740948286But that would mean making attractive and personality-rich characters which is a no-go in the current AAA developer sphere
>>740940718>I will never understand why devs keep trying to appeal to people who don’t even play games.more people to buy = more money = devs got rich
>>740940718>I will never understand why devs keep trying to appeal to people who don’t even play games.Wrong, I do play games, but yeah, I don't really buy movie games because lack of gameplay means I can gain satisfaction from watching.
>>740940517desu the best part of E33 is the final act when the game opens up and just lets you go and do whatever the hell you want. i very much doubt the game would have been better if you had total freedom across the entire game but i kind of get what he's saying
>>740940517>Make moviegames for years>Surprised when people just treat it as a movielololololol>>740940843Entertainment cuckoldry. You're watching someone else enjoy a game instead of enjoying it yourself. Unless its the aforementioned moviegame in which case theres nothing to play and you're watching the equivalent of a camcorder rerecording with MST3K commentary (except worse)
>>740940718Toxic positivity. Retards who don't belong anywhere near industry leadership roles steering the industry in stupid directions to "leave their mark". Neoliberalism's spite towards the natural primary customers for videogames (introverted guys who don't obey women), which makes them a safe target for exclusion. Complacency and hubris.
>>740949617The reason why games that are actually games are dominating now is because this narrative isn't what happened.It was unlucky timing that the people with money who could fund graphics when graphics hype was at its peak thought that the matured form of videogames was going to be interactive movies that gave us the movie games. Then the US government started throwing taxpayer money at anyone who was against white men, giving us ESG, which is where that endless supply of money for wokifying your studio came from; they had the benefit of getting to parasitize old works and old studios that had built up a loyal male fanbase. Then the rise of the Chinese market artificially made their crap seem more popular than older stuff. All of that is ending now (China has their own devs who are better than modern western devs), and the only thing that's left is the end result of 25 years of the actual talent being chased out and suppressed in favor of the retards.
>>740940843Western rpg fans
>>740940517I think that one thing doesn't have a connection with the other. A person who prefers to watch streams than playing a game themselves can have many motives for it, but this player agency thing is probably not one of them.Quite the contrary i believe, if the game has meaningful choices that affects the story it will only be more fuel for viewers to watch their favorite e-celebs and see the things that they pick.
FF7 remake shit the bed and they're flailing to justify why.Zoomers don't have any nostalgia for FF7 (or for the Final Fantasy IP at all, for that matter) so they already had a bad start because they're largely only appealing to 40 year old guys nostalgic for FF7.But, then they fuck up the nostalgia part...FF7 isn't a remake. It's FF7 fanfiction, the same as all those shitty Zack fanfiction games and the FF7 movie had been. It's fanfiction made according to the modern Ubislop Formula of acking busywork filler in for the sole sake of artificially dragging a game out. The filler is anathema to the middle-aged Dad Gamers who have limited time...the Dadgamers are the ones always talking about how games 'need to be shorter' because they can only pack 1-2 hours of play into their week any longer and get leaky butts towards long games that timefilter them.Also "people" who watch streamers aren't gamers. They're passively watching free broadcast. Most of them don't even give a shit about whatever the guy is playan.
>>740954131FFVII remake is for everyone, newcomers and oldfags alike.
>>740940517He's right. This why zooners don't play games, they just watch them instead.
