>for ages the zelda timeline was just fun theorycrafting for fans>nintendo decided to make it fucking canonHow big of a mistake was this?
>a book that has never been referenced in any games>canonAlso>caring about zelda canon
it doesn't matter. only autists care about plot in zelda games
>>740953984The mistake wasn't in finally cobbling together a canon timeline from the old games. The mistake was making a complete fucking mess of it by having branching timelines from OoT
>>740953984this book is just a cash grab. obviously the most sensible interpretation is that each game is simply a retelling of the legend of zelda. it's that fucking easy. they don't all have to be actual events that took place in a specific order with branching timelines or whatever.
>>740953984When are they going to confirm that Rule is the daughter of OoT Link and Ruto and that Malon never found out about it?C'mon, how many blonde Zoras have you seen?
>>740954350Also that "haircut"
>>740953984It really didn't matter in the long runI mean, did it change anything that Minish Cap happens after SS or that the present timeline ends in FSA? No, not really. Zelda theorycrafting and lorehunting jas died quite a lot in recent years. Either botw nuking the classic setting (not like it was that much consistent anyway) or people losing interest, idk.
>>740953984>Zelda 1>Zelda 2>Zelda 3>>I wanted to first ask about the scenario for Ocarina of Time. Before it was released, Nintendo announced that this new N64 Zelda would "unlock the mysteries of the entire Zelda story". Could you tell us about that in your own words?>Miyamoto: Maybe "mysteries" was a bit of an exaggeration, but you do learn the story of where the triforce came from, and it is meant to be "Episode 1" of the Zelda saga. The basic order is Ocarina, then the original FDS Zelda, followed by A Link to the Past.>Right. You're a little looser with all the story connections, in other words.>Miyamoto: For that reason I've often been accused of not caring about the story, but when I consider the medium of video games, above intra-series continuity it's far more important to me that the player is left with a satisfying "aftertaste" once the experience is over.Ocarina of Time – 1999 Developer InterviewThis in-depth Ocarina of Time interview first appeared in a Japanese strategy guide. The interviewer's strong opinions are a good match for producer Shigeru Miyamoto's big-picture pontifications about Ocarina's design choices and gameplay changes, plus a lengthy exegesis on interactivity in 3D games. Though much ink has been spilled over Ocarina, this interview manages to dig up some brand new info.
>>740954271The ones with clear connections are cool. It ironically only got gay when they started doing games after the official timeline released and also ignored the timeline they set up. Didn't help the games also got super shit
>>740954350Twilight Princess is the Child Link timeline, that is, it is the timeline in which Ruto did not lose Link for seven years and then become a Sage, it is the timeline where Link, being a child, already knows and is familiar with everyone, besides, the Zoras live for many years, maybe Rutela, with her scales on her head like blonde hair and her blue eyes, is the direct daughter of the Hero of Time.Imagine it: Link and Ruto had a romance and an affair, but Ruto knew that life as a prince, with all those responsibilities, was not for Link, so she let him go...Link accepted it, left, and looked for love somewhere else, in this case at a certain ranch with a certain red-haired girl, but what Link didn't know, and Ruto did, was that Ruto was already pregnant, she let him go because she already had a small part of him with her.Thus, the lineage of the Zoras was not lost, Link never found out because Ruto did not want to make things awkward between Link and Malon, and it was a secret that Ruto took to her grave (she never told anyone who her daughter's father was).
>>740953984Should I buy this book?
There was never any timeline and anything close to it is akin to the ramblings of a drunkard
>>740955638Nice fanfic. Link your ff.net page.
>>740956049I don't have any, should I write a full fanfic or are these schizo ramblings enough?
>>740954442totk made it clear they dont give a shit even about the most direct connections possible so the illusion is broken
>>740953984>AgesIt existed since the second game, secondary.
>>740953984It was kind of a meme, since they immediately started contradicting the timeline with Skyward Sword and the games after that dipped into full crossoverslop territory, using basically anything that appeared in past games with no regard for where that thing came from.>>740954271Referencing old stuff with respect for the context can be neat, but modern development isn't really coherent enough for any of these references to be fully thought through. A well thought out reference isn't going to survive if someone works on it or makes decisions that interfere with it and they don't also think things through.
>>740953984It was always canon. This just made it public.
>>740953984There was a clear timeline the entire time, you're just an idiot. >>740954271And all the direct sequels and prequels? You've never played a Zelda game in your life you retarded faggot.
>>740953984This is revisionism from zoomers. 2 was marketed and called a sequel to 1, ALTTP was marketed and called a prequel to 1, LA was a sequel to 3, and OoT was marketed as a prequel to ALTTP. MM and WW following OoT were also made blatantly clear in game, as was TP. The things that people didn't know before the book was whether the first four games followed TP or WW, and where the Oracle games went. The Zelda games were pretty much always marketed as a prequel or sequel to one of the other games in the series.
>>740954271>the most sensible interpretation is that each game is simply a retelling of the legend of zeldaThis has always been, and will always be, the most retarded fucking theory by retards who don't even try to use their limited intellect. How do you think that Zelda II is a retelling of the same story as Zelda 1 when it's a direct sequel? How is OoT retelling the same story as Wind Waker when Wind Waker's plot relies on OoT's as a backbone?I swear you morons just read the word "legend" and decided to take it in the stupidest interpretation just to be contrary against timeline theorists.
>>740958710>>740958561whoa its almost like some of them can be direct sequels and others can be retellingsit's like you guys are retarded on purpose
I wish I knew what color Zelda's panties were
>>740956046Except for the fact that the timeline is official and canon according to the creators of the franchise. I think I'll take their word over yours.
>>740955894Historia is false advertising, it's actually a Skyward Sword lorebook that brings up the series past to fill in the references. Almost half of the book isn't even lore itself, just artwork and dev notes about Skyward. And of course, the SS manga at the end.If you want an actual book about the franchise's lore (including an updated look at the infamous timeline that's the big selling point of HH) then buy the Encyclopedia instead. It's the blue book instead of the green one. Or if you're lucky to find one, get the gold edition that looks like the NES cartridge. Way better than Historia by a fucking mile since it actually talks about everything from the first game up to Skyward too, it's so updated it goes to the very end of releases before BOTW (TP HD, ALBW and Hyrule Warriors are mentioned).And then if you also want BOTW lore, go get Creating a Champion. There are no books covering TotK yet outside Piggyback / Prima guides.
>>740953984Depends on the game itself and any outside ideas that could change up the timeline.Case in point, the Oracle games was originally set between LttP and LA with it being the same Link, but was changed for it to take place after LA and be a different Link from LttP/LA and I partially blame the manga adaptation for that
>>740961196>Or if you're lucky to find one, get the gold edition that looks like the NES cartridge.Is there anything different about it besides its cool golden look?
>>740953984It doesn't matter because Breath of the Wild/Tears of the Kingdom basically went back and tore down the entire timeline thought to have lead into it.
imagine being a timeline denier for every zelda game>Zelda 1 comes out>"there's no timeline!">Zelda 2 comes out, an explicit sequel to 1>"there's no timeline!">ALttP comes out as a prequel to 1 and 2>"there's no timeline!">Link's Awakening is a sequel to ALttP>"there's no timeline!">OoT is even further back as prequel to ALttP>"there's no timeline!">Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess>"there's no timeline!"
>>740953984creating an official timeline for self-contained stories is fun, they did the same with the softcore loli porn Transformers sub-series that decided to create a timeline in the 2000s for the Japanese continuity that is still going
>>740953984>for ages the zelda timeline was just fun theorycrafting for fansIf it was "just for fans" then why did Aonuma personally fuck everything up for almost a decade by putting Wind Waker in ALTTP's place?https://www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Interview:GamePro_December_4th_2002>Where does The Wind Walker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?>Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.>Aonuma: This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.Why are anti-timelinefags so insistent on covering for Aonuma?
>>740961440Nope, exact same content.Maybe Aonuma's closing interview is exclusive to that version but I'm not sure.There's also the silly instruction book imitating the NES game manual but it's pretty silly and useless.You're getting it mostly for the shiny cover. It really stands out on your shelf like a thick slab of gold, unless you cover it up with the black sleeve with the book's name on it.
>Zelda 2 comes out, an explicit sequel to 1This is an explicit sequel>ALttP comes out as a prequel to 1 and 2This is a retelling of 1>>Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight PrincessExplicit sequel/prequels
>>740961936>>ALttP comes out as a prequel to 1 and 2>This is a retelling of 1lol
>>740959210But nothing really fits under "retelling", since everything has been pinned somewhere in the chronology other than BotW/TotK which have direct, often mutually exclusive references to various other games.
The games making connections themselves was a part of it. The stained glass sages in WW, Mr. Skeltal implying he was a previous Link in TP
The problem is they did that while making everything be about Link/Zelda/Ganondorf instead of having more side villains to vary up the reasons for calamity and shenanigans. Ganon shouldn't have been in TP or TotK
>>740962182>You're Link and fight Ganon...this time with more plot, wizards n shiet..for the SNES>Link and Ganon and Zelda both appear in the game, but they are different people than Link from other game...it's NOT a retelling thoughIt's a retelling
>>740959210Whoa it's almost like every single game from Skyward Sword and earlier is explicitly a sequel or prequel to another game, excluding the GBA Capcom games.It's almost like you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about because you've never played a Zelda game in your life and you're just repeating some theory you saw on gamefaqs 20 years ago like a retarded golem faggot.
madeup nudev headcanon to drive sales by letting autistic retards market your IP on youtube for freeeach zelda is its own experience with only fleeting connections to prior games by design, allowing the series to continue on and innovate without being weighed down by either technological or narrative restrictions of its predecessorssee: >>740954510
>>740962654>it's a prequel, so it's a retelling
>>740962654>It's a retellingOr that's what I would say if I had Down syndrome.
>>740962448Veran is a baddie and is also hot. She could be as good as Cia if she was brought over to AAA games.Unfortunately Nintendo are cowards and are just gonna keep her confined to the game boy spinoffs.
they'll probably retcon the timeline with the newly OoT remake.
>>740962792>>it's a prequel>[citation needed]No. It's a retelling
Nintendo was talking about the timeline since Oot. The book was just them giving thier official statement and adding the third timeline
>>740962971>[citation needed]Here you go. >>740954510
>>740962654ALTTP, when it came out, was the origin story for the Triforce and Ganon. That's its primary connection to 1 and 2. Completely dishonest to even make this argument. 1 and ALttP are radically different in plot. You're assembling the Triforce of Courage in 1, 3 has the Dark World, Maidens, Master Sword and so on.
>>740953984it was just a cash grab, i don't think anyone remembers or cared about it until this thread, after which people will forget about it again
>>740963134*Triforce of Wisdom.
>>740953984There is no timeline. This book was just a quick cash grab. It is worth it for the art tho.
>for ages doom guy being a godlike being was just fun theorycrafting for fans>id software decided to make it fucking canonHow big of a mistake was this?
Without the timeline, you are retarded if you think OoT, MM, WW, and TP weren't all connected together in some way. When done right you get the best arc in the series...>>740954072And when you don't care about plot you get Tears of the Sloppy Seconds... where a bestiality couple created Hyrule.
>>740953984It's just irrelevant after BotW and TotK, it's clear that they don't give a fuck about consistency.
>>740963332I always saw doom guy as some sort of D-FENS kind of character, fucking hate what they turned him into just to please some redditors. Glad the latest game flopped.
>>740954390Fuck, I didn't even notice she has Link's bangs... holy shit this is a revelation. Link just fucked his entire harem.
The timeline want done to actually establish a timeline.It's Nintendo's thinly veiled admission that BOTW is a reboot of the original NES game and it's going to write a new universe from that point on, just like Disney killing the extended Star Wars and branding it Legends so they could introduce Rey in a blank slate canon
>>740963667I really wouldn't mind BOTK being an entirely separate continuity. The main issue is that this new continuity is based off Skyward Sword, which is still the worst Zelda game, first and foremost, so it's been getting held back from the start. And I don't foresee Fuji letting go of that shit any time soon.
>>740963904Hylia is totally his "Original Character Do Not Steal" Zelda.
>>740963904Forget it, that game is Aonuma's theogony. He ain't ever gonna drop these foundations unless he retires and the new producer decides to start over.
>>740953984The Legend of Zelda? More like The History of Zelda.
>>740963332That's what made the OG Doom so great, it left so much to the player's imagination, both in terms of the setting and Doomguy as a character. It also inspired people in the late 90s who wanted to continue the series on their own after Doom 2 with Final Doom and mods. obviously, some fat corporate boomer who's completely out of touch with the community has to ruin all the fun with their fan-pandering bullshit just to milk people for money
>>740953984I got Hyrule Historia back in 2014 and even then I could've sworn I had heard the "split timeline" theory before.There are probably people on /v/ right now who will swear up and down Nintendo would never steal a fan's theory.
>>740963035>muh midchloriansnon-canon author retcon>>740963134It gets blurry with the details cuz It's a legend. The legend of Zelda. The basic myth is "Link kills Ganon" but people will tell it with different takes.1 is for the NES. That's why there isn't much. Link kills Ganon. You make a game for the SNES(TM). Suddenly, you want better plot, Dark World and new items. To sell your game for the new system. It isn't NES anymore. Same for N64. But it's still Link killing Ganon with changes for new system(TM).
>>740962218>But nothing really fits under "retelling"wrong, desperate, cope>>740962658>Whoa it's almost like every single game from Skyward Sword and earlier is explicitly a sequel or prequel to another gamewrong, retcon, wishful thinkingthe fact that you are samefagging and THIS mad about it just proves my point even more that all timeline bullshit is fan fiction
>>740969127Yeah but you're trans and you're currently sucking bbc so everything you said is wrong althougheverbeitly?
>>740953984whats even more annoying is that nintendo didnt even craft their own timeline they just copied the same fan theory from the IGN video that had been floating around for 10 yearsdidnt even try something different to throw off the scent
>>740969237you basically just literally agreed that the games are just different retellings of the same story and that fans trying to fit them into some kind of frankensteimline are wrong and gay
>>740969394I'm going to need you to get away from Tyrone and start formulating your thoughts heterosexually.
>>740968943In the original game, Ganon was just a beast of unknown origin (the "Prince of Darkness" as the U.S. manual referred him as), A Link to the Past was said years after the original game where it was a bit of a surprise that Agahnim was a form of Ganon all along, Ocarina of Time did a soft reset with Ganondorf being just a thief from a conquered kingdom who sought power, and Ganon being the form of his greed. Then that got mucked up with later games.
>>740969464you are so mad that i'm obviously right lmao
>>740969869No, you're obviously trans and addicted to having black cocks in your throat.
>>740969941>same replyyou're mind broken rn irl and everyone is laughing at you
>>740969979Yeah but you've proven you never actually wanted to talk about video games, soooooooo
>>740969738LTTP is the game that introduces the idea of Ganondorf, OOT was just expanding on what LTTP established by effectively being Ganon's origin story.And then, yes, the later games fucked it all up.
>>740954271that's such a boring answer
>>740970325Wildfags are boring and demand the entire series cater to their spiritually British tastes.
>>740953984>for ages the zelda timeline was just fun theorycrafting for fansThis is a secondary meme, or from kids who only played the later games. AoL references LoZ directly and follows the same Link. ALTTP sells itself as Ganon from LoZ's backstory. LA sells itself as the continuation of that Link's story. OOT sells itself as ALTTP's prequel. MM sells itself as the continuation of that Link's story. WW sells itself as the sequel to OOT's adult timeline, and shows that in the intro. PH sells itself as the continuation of that Link's adventure. ST sell itself as the next step after that Link's story concludes, and a returning character tells you this in the intro. TP sells itself as the continuation of OOT's Child timeline, and directly shows you the consequences of Link's actions in the past and has him show up to interact with you. ALBTW sells itself as what happens in ALTTP's world after Ganon is defeated. SS sells itself as the prequel to the entire series and where everything started. Tell me, where in the fuck was there an opening for 'fun theorycrafting' when every single game opens up by telling you how it relates to one or more prior games?
>>740954205Aonuma was talking about the branching timeline before WW even came out, if that's your fucking issue then the ship had sailed before you were even born.
>>740958710The retelling of a legend theory is something that got popular in American fanfiction forums in the early 00's, which is why it's so popular here. Bunch of retards who grew up on those forums can't let go of it being something retarded teenagers who only ever played OOT came up with that never made sense.
>>740970896Are we pretending that Four Swords and Minish Cap don't exist? I mean that's fine since they weren't that great but it's also convenient for you leave off since it has non-standard story elements.
>>740971424Minish Cap was made by Capcom, not Nintendo. Beyond that, Minish Cap was selling itself as the ur-prequel (explains why Links wear hats) before Nintendo made SS and contradicted it (mainly just in Link already having a hat before MC,) so it was envisioned with a timeline placement during development.>It's convenient for you...It's convenient for me not to list the two-three games out of the entire series that contradict the sequel/prequel chaining Nintendo did? Exceptions don't disprove a rule.
>>740971170>Aonuma was talking about the branching timeline before WW even came outPressing X to doubt on this one.
>>740961829The original series could've semi-neatly followed TP, the downfall timeline is the real stupid thing.
>>740971706You pressed X to be a retard instead. >>740961829
>>740967574Aonuma was talking about the split timeline before WW came out in Japanese interviews, so among the real Zelda autists it was already a known fact.
>>740958561>>740958656What kind of retarded revisionism is this
>>740971717TP's timeline placement doesn't contradict anything, it's what happens in TP itself that's stupid.
>>740972086It 's called "reading the interviews and marketing for the games because they were actually alive when they came out unlike you." Multiple people have linked interviews about this shit in the thread.
>>740972118I mean TP is stupid plotwise, but my point is simply that you can sell the sages from Ganondorf's backstory in TP as the ones mentioned in ALTTP, and thus there was no need for a downfall timeline. Two neat timelines that've been canon since before WW's release, simple.
>>740972180Uhuh, watch https://youtu.be/SF8Ve2Dk6-0
I remember Koizumi had a lot of ideas for the fallen timeline idea and Miyamoto trashed them
>>740972438>My youtube video has more bearing on the series than Aonuma's interviewsNo?
>Zelda story thread>Ctrl + F>Only one post with "Koizumi" in itShame on you all.
>>740972462Such as?
>>740972546The twenty year+ old GT video clearly demonstrates that no clear timeline existed prior to 2011, that what we had were theories and disagreements on all fronts, and that you're a pathetic revisionist.
>>740972864>My video saysI do not give a FUCK what your dogshit American fanboy video has to say. Read the developer's own words: >>740961829
>>740953984Good news! Nintendo just as swiftly decided it wasn't canon, BOTW and TOTK don't give a shit about the timeline theory
>>740973075And surprise, they have some of the most dogshit setting building in the series.
>>740973120I'm loving this implication that caring about the Hyrule Historia would have led to a better Hyrule for the game(s)
>>740973237Less about caring for the book and more caring about the same daisy chain strat they were doing before and building on the setting/depiction of Hyrule instead of furry zoophile kingdom's open world ruined shithole.
>>740973003Whoah wait a minute, are you saying WW takes place after OoT? Mind=blown! This definitely means a clear and obvious timeline always existed, accepted by all fans, and any archival video evidence to the contrary is wrong, and you are most definitely not a pathetic revisionist.
>>740973371>Accepted by all fansWhat people on fanfiction forums who never played the games or only ever played OOT think or accept is literally irrelevant. The only thing that matters is what the developers say and do. And the developers sold every single game as either a sequel or a prequel with a clear connection to a prior game. See >>740970896 After a certain point, pretending "AoL connects to LoZ connects to ALTTP connects to LA and OOT..." does not account for a timeline is pure delusion. This is what a timeline is. It didn't manifest in this book saying "Oh yeah ST is related to ALBTW via..." it came into being via the devs showing and telling every single game how a game relates to one or two other games in the series. The fact that American kids can't read Japanese, only played one or two games and nothing else, or else didn't play the games at all and their fan communities coalesced purely around fanfiction forums populated by other kids who know nothing of the series is literally not the developers' problem, and in the modern era where all the games and Japanese information is easily accessible and translatable if not translated already, you have zero excuses of ignorance like they did back then.
>>740973371>A random fan video is archival evidence but what Aonuma said in an interview isn'tNo? What's with this fanboy idea that THEY are arbiters of the series and its lore, not the devs? It's really bad with LoZ but you see it in all kinds of fandoms.
>>740973371>you're not listening to my wholesome e-celeb friend?>you're going to read interviews from people who make the games instead?>waaaaaaaaaaaah you're le badYou are projecting your status as a "pathetic revisionist."
>>740953984>>for ages the zelda timeline was just fun theorycrafting for fansno it wasn't, they've had official timelines since basically the beginningif you don't like the hyrule historia timeline disregard it and find your own, it doesn't really matter anyway
This is boring, the video was made to point out the clear inconsistencies that created the disagreements amongst everyone, but for some reason these hopefully merely pretending retards only parrot that devs said the games were connected, which doesn't contradict the first statement.
>>740953984Nintendo commented on timeline placements of certain games since A Link to the Past.
>>740973851>The video...Nobody cares. Aonuma has more authority over the series than your video does. You need to get it through your head that people trust the developers' own words about their intent more than they do your fan autism.
>>740974103Ew, don't reply to me if you are going to miss the point this hard
>>740973618>>740973665>>740973680Hmm, I didn't realize the timeline split, including the hero defeated line, was always intended. Nintendo does have amazing foresight.
>>740973851>>740974178>/v/ won't watch my favorite e-celeb?>better start having a meltdown
>>740974178>I didn't realize the timeline split was always intendedI think when Aonuma himself says "Yeah there was a timeline split at the end of OOT and one leads to our upcoming game Wind Waker," which came out before WW was released as the next major title in the franchise after MM (a direct sequel to OOT) you kinda have to think, well golly gee, I guess the developers DO intend there to be a timeline split. Was that idea intended when LoZ first came out? Maybe not, but it clearly entered their heads after OOT's ending was finalized where time travel was evoked. Sequels aren't always fully planned out before a game is released, same with books and movies, it doesn't stop them from being sequels.
>>740973618Wait until you learn what “death of the author” is and why it’s so universal.
>>740974341The timeline split was the fucking ending of Ocarina of Time. The future where Ganon is sealed, everyone throws a party at Lon Lon Ranch. Meanwhile Link meets Zelda in a new timeline with the Triforce brand on his hand, which gets Ganondorf's scheme shitcanned. Two worlds, clearly shown. It's not complicated, you fuckers.
>>740974494So you're agreeing with me that a timeline split was intended to exist at the very latest beginning with them deciding on OOT's ending?
>>740974341What are you talking about? The hero defeated was always an intended timeline, it wasn't just something that "crossed their mind".>>740974494This. It's pretty simple guys.
>>740974487>Wait until you learn that I'm going to evoke the concept useless college literature professors use to justify arguing why LoTR is about modern American racial politics
>>740974601>If I pretend to be retarded, I don't have to confront factsYeah okay anon, you're clearly done pretending to be a serious person now.
but this isnt canon
>>740974565The point is that it existed before Aonuma said shit. In fact, Aonuma is the one who fucked it all up.>>740974601You're a tranny having an episode over people not respecting your YT recs, kill yourself.
>>740974739We can shit on Aonuma all day if you like, I'm not going to stop you, but you're confusing the point by starting an Aonuma vs. Miyamoto argument in the middle of trying to force this idiot to realize a timeline was always intended. I'm merely using Aonuma's own words to lend weight to my point, going "Miyamoto clearly showed it even before that" is correct, and backs me up in my central point, but trying to use it as a Aonuma vs. Miyamoto wedge in the middle of me making a point is misguided and beside that point.
>>740974653>I don't have to confront factsLike the fact that there are 3 timelines according to the developers themselves?
>>740972567>>740972462You guys mentioned his ideas but never actually bother talking about them.
>>740974924You are the only one trying to use Hyrule Historia as a hinge, every else is telling you the developers talked about there being a timeline, and a timeline split, before HH came out. I don't need to justify the downfall timeline or HH to you, because this principle existed before HH did, and only you aren't aware of that and refuse to accept it.
>>740974991Please stop replying to the crying youtube tranny.
>>740954271>obviously the most sensible interpretation is that each game is simply a retelling of the legend of zelda.You're asking autistic people to be earnest about fiction in a way they are simply not mentally equipped to handle
>>740974881>a timeline was always intendedI agree with this point, yes.Downfall is gay though.
>>740974991I don't understand why you're acting as if I'm disagreeing with you. Obviously it was always intended to have 3 splits in the timeline, and all the theory crafting and discussion and disagreements in forums and videos from the mid2000s are just from fake fans who didn't bother reading the developer interviews.
The timeline always existed they didn't "make it canon", it was always there. For starters, the SIX fucking first games ever are all so connected even a retard could make a simple timeline out of them>AoL is released after Zelda 1 and is a sequel with the same protagonist>aLttP is the origin story of Zelda 1's demon king and LA is a sequel with the same protagonist>OoT is the origin story's origin story with how the bad guy become demon king in first place and MM is a sequel with the same protagonisthttps://www.nintendoforums.com/articles/40/super-play-magazine-interviews-shigeru-miyamoto-about-zelda
>According to whoYeah, shut up. They DON'T know what they're doing! Timeline spergs have put more thought into this than the devs.>Split timeline is cool >We so cool we one-up you theorists by making up a curve-ball (downfall branch) that was spoken NOWHERE>Oh and Termina was another dream so nothing you did there mattered
>>740975490Encyclopedia is the non-canon one, try again.
>>740975210More like you're asking people to be retarded and ignore the intro of games like WW or ST.
>>740975251Downfall IS gay, I agree, it should've been the Child timeline.
Is there any cool sex stuff in this book ?,
>>740975317Your issue is that you think there is remotely any innate value whatsoever to what kids on forums in the year 2004 were saying about a videogame franchise. Your theories had and have NO value, they never did. Accept that, you're not important.
>>740975438Then after MM up until SS you had every single game open with some kind of intro crawl or lore dump telling you how this game happened.>WW opens up with a big crawl telling you how the Adult timeline ended up with an ocean/island world>PH opens up telling you what Link and Tetra are doing here>ST opens up with Nico from WW telling you why there's a New Hyrule>TP shows you a cutscene of the consequences of Child Link from OOT proving Ganondorf was up to evil before he even did anything>ALBTW is entirely about some dumbasses trying to revive Ganon from ALTTP because the events of that game doomed their dimensionLike you have to intentionally ignore cutscenes to think these games weren't related.
>>740975726True that. I remember when a kid asked me what the fuck was going on the with the timeline, that it made no sense to him. I simply spat him in the eye and said "Begone, child. These games are for men."
>>740976030>The timeline isn't real because it confused retarded kids who only played OOT and not any prior or later gamesNo?
The Adult timeline should go back to being OOT -> Imprisoning War (somehow) -> ALTTPDownfall should be OOT -> WW
>>740976181Can we just not do a Downfall timeline and enter the universe where Miyamoto allowed TP2 to be made instead of SS?
>>740976313>Can we just not do a Downfall timelineYou'd have to condemn the WW trilogy to the Four Swords dimension of dubious canon. This might not be a negative for you.>and enter the universe where Miyamoto allowed TP2 to be made instead of SSI wish we could, bro. I wish we could...
>>740976525I still don't think there's enough of a contradiction between TP and ALTTP that we can't just say "Yeah okay the Sages sealing Ganon in the backstory of TP is the Imprisoning War, and they all had kids before they got killed and those are the ancestors of the Maidens." It's not a big stretch and it's better than trying to justify why OOT has a Downfall timeline but not any other game.
>>740976624>the Sages sealing Ganon in the backstory of TP is the Imprisoning WarIn TP, Ganondorf is caught early and never gets to put his schemes in action. There is no war, he just got rushed down and jailed.The Imprisoning War was waged against Ganon who had assembled the full Triforce.The Twilight Realm is a punishment dimension that we never got to see properly.The Dark World is the Sacred Realm after being corrupted by Ganondorf's evil heart.These aren't compatible scenarios, anon.
>>740954350You disgusting fishfuckers need to understand your sick fantasies will never be acknowledged.
>>740976987>The Twilight Realm is a punishment dimension that we never got to see properlyIt's funny, the Twilight Realm was supposed to be TP's Dark World equivalent, with the wolf being a parallel to Bunny Link.The team couldn't get that to work out, so they cut that down to just the bug hunts, and the Twilight Realm was cut down to just the palace.It's funny. I'm still mad.Why did it have to be OOT, /v/ros? Why couldn't it be one of the GC/Wii games?
>>740953984is it a picture book
>>740956150TotK is precisely the only instance I can think where the devs confirmed being careful "not to break the world" with the story, in every other game it's just>oh yes we have an internal timeline and consider it, but it's not the priority
>>740977603yes
>>740953984It's not a mistake at all considering BotW and TotK basically disregarded this anyway.The only thing it negatively impacted are the autists that take that sort of thing WAY too seriously.
>>740961196>There are no books covering TotKNigger TotK has its "creating a champion" already
>>740977651>>740977896ToTK replacing all the old lore with "And then a random tribal queen of this random jungle tribe had sex with a goat, and this goat introduced super advanced god technology and they founded Hyrule for their horrid half-breed children" was a huge downgrade.
>>740978106Was there anything good in the TOTK lore book?Creating a Champion did nothing but piss me off.>yeah link's family that is only referenced once when zelda is angsting? they were gonna actually show up buuuuuuut>yeah botw link had a young link adventure of his own. wait you wanted to play that?BOTW Link is so fucking boring. Normalfags went fucking gaga for goofy poses and sassy dialogue boxes, imagine how popular he'd be if he were actually interesting.
>>740978396They didn't realize people were so invested in the stupid robot animals from the game where the """lore""" is entirely explained in 1 single cutscene.
>>740978106>October 26 release dateNot yet
>>740978445The final trailer for BotW tricking people into thinking the game actually had any sort of narrative was hilarious.
>>740961403That game always had Link and Zelda not knowing each other at the end so it was always meant to be their own original incarnations and not the ones from ALTTP, it was Historia's timeline the one that fucked up, Encyclopedia just fixed it.
Oh, what the heck, I'll post it.https://files.catbox.moe/732faw.zip (OOT)https://files.catbox.moe/pbes2e.zip (MM 2ship)https://files.catbox.moe/0bl8bv.zip (MM Recomp)
>>740978601Even retconning the sheikah technology isn't what I'm complaining about, it's the "Zelda's ancestor fucked a goat and that's where her powers come from" and "Hyrule was founded by random jungle people" bits.
>>740978918>Hyrule was founded by random jungle peopleI wish we got the magic barbarians instead.
>>740978652The only people who like Encyclopedia are the same people from the mid-00's writing really shitty Zelda fanfiction they confused for canon.
>>740978982The Zonai just being some unrelated scary barbarian tribe was better, yeah.
>>740971424>>740971603Four Swords was explicitly stated to be the earliest game in the timeline (prior SS) so its placement and MC aren't just implied intentions from things in the game like the hat thing, they literally said it was the earliest point in the franchise, then they just made something that happened even earlier for a future game.Four Swords was always before Ocarina of Time, Minish Cap was always before Four Swords, and Skyward Sword was always before Minish Cap, the only question was when exactly FSA happened other than "at some point after FS" but connections and the passage of time were a thing still.
>>740978918I mean are you worried about them taking it seriously for the games outside of BotW and TotK? Because they always just soft reset all of that shit anyway.
>>740979082At this point I'm worried we'll never get a real Zelda game ever again, since all we've had since 2017 is ubisoft bestiality games and funko pop remakes.
>>740979082Tears of the Kingdom isn't even consistent with Breath of the Wild anyways Breath of the Wild>It's ALL canon, stop obsessing over the timeline, nerd Tears of the Kingdom>NONE of it is canon, nerd, this is a reboot timeline
>>740979080FSA was a non-Zelda game that got retooled into Zelda for marketing halfway into development anyway, so expecting it to make any sense is being unreasonable.
>>740979000>Where necessary, the writers of this book added their own interpretations and expanded upon the games’ stories.I don't know why some obsess over Encyclopedia as hard as they do.
>>740978606>it doesn't exist unless it's in englishlmao skill issue
>>740979182>FSA was a non-Zelda game that got retooled into ZeldaThey were trying to make that game the Imprisoning War before Miyamoto threw the story out.
>>740979290People who either didn't read the preamble to the book or people who write fanfiction jerking off extra hard at one group of fanfiction writers getting into a semi-official product. So idiots.
>>740979180Works for me personally. If you want to nerd out over timeline shit just play Xenoblade or something.
>>740979000Why do retards always jump into "you like this" or "you don't like this"? I'm talking about facts, I don't even "like" any of the books, I'm just saying OoX Link being ALTTP Link in Historia was inconsistent, which is why every timeline after that fixed the placement and separated the Links
>>740979439The fact is that Encyclopedia is literally fanfiction and not meant to be taken as strict canon, so citing it is hopeless and pointless. It holds no weight.
>>740959210>and others can be retellingsLiterally none of them can unless you go with the retarded cope of the games being literal legends someone tells and nothing else, which has been explicitly deconfirmed by Nintendo already. They can only be retellings if you ignore the games, the people who made them and basically everything that proves you wrong, like the good retard you are.>>740954271>>740962654See above and kill yourself. Painfully.
>>740979408Goatfucker.
>>740979180Both of these are wrong. Nods to games that don't have to be connected to BotW don't mean all games are connected to BotW, for starters there are stuff that outright contradict the child timeline, and TotK is just a new Hyrule as they already teased saying just because Rauru "funded Hyrule" doesn't mean there wasn't another Hyrule before.Even if you are in denial about the refounding TotK could work as a story about the true birth of Hyrule Kingdom and the totally secret original Ganondorf before OoT Ganondorf, too.
>>740979848>doesn't mean there wasn't another Hyrule before.The game provides no reason to think there was one or that ToTK is connected to the prior series, though.
>>740970325The truth is usually boring
>>740978918>fuckedNot confirmed, that's your headcanon
>>740979887Too bad the truth in this case is that the games are connected, straight from the devs' mouths.
>>740979918Bro she is literally married to Rauru the fuck are you on at this point.
>>740979952The devs haven't stated they had sex and they have the last word
>>740979884>to think there was oneAnd yet the devs hinted at it. So much for the ''they don't care'' bullshit>or that ToTK is connected to the prior seriesBotW-TotK are massively connected to SS so you are full of shit here too, at worst you could say it's a fourth split but it would still be part of the overall timeline that starts with Skyward Sword.And Echoes of Wisdom already started adding nods to BotW-TotK from more traditional Zelda games, you literally get upgrades from sheikah technology
>>740970493Is that description more canon than Zelda cartoon tho?
>>740980094>the devs hinted at itWhere?
>>740979918>>740980070They did mention zonai can reproduce with hylians bro. Magical humanoid x divine dragon-goat thing reproduction is 100% canon.
>>740980094>BotW-TotK are massively connected to SSI mean, not fucking really? They don't reference Skyloft or Demise, Hylia exists as a deity but there's no mention she's connected to Zelda, the Triforce doesn't exist, and Zelda's powers are explained as coming from her goat ancestor and not Hylia or the Triforce.
>>740979848Darmani, as in the Goron Mask guy from TERMINA, is on the giant sculpture in Hyrule's Goron City.BOTW is fucked up.
CONTROVERSIAL: I like this game's premise of "you don't speak for me" that Zelda takes when she finds out Hylia was playing her and Link all along to get what she wanted.Yeah, okay, the hero is preordained by the gods and shit but that doesn't consider the fact they're still a person who has people in their life who may not want them to throw their own life away in the hopes of saving their friends. It would be rather grave if he didn't survive his trials and then Zelda realized that it was her connection to Hylia that prompted all this, because she was never allowed to have any say in the matter and Link was duped into thinking she was in danger.
>>740980192I don't see your proof tho, where's the interview where they are explicitly explaining which position they used
>>740980256Who says it's the same Darmani and it's not just a common Goron name?
>>740980170I literally just told you? You can look up the interview, they said Rauru's Hyrule didn't have to be the first one. TotK shows the first days of Rauru's Hyrule, but that Hyrule doesn't have to be the one from Minish Cap, it can come later.
>>740980270It's just sad nobody curses Impa out for stealing Zelda away and actively blocking Link from her, she's a total cunt in that game and doesn't get the shit she deserves.
>>740968943>non-canonWrong.>retconAlso wrong. Can't be a retcon if the game's own box disagrees with you.
>>740953984Blonde blue eyed aryan boy and his girlfriend fight long nose man from the dessert trying to control everything in an endless cycle
>>740980294Oh you are really butthurt nobody wants to read your fan theories huh. Your emotional attachment to your fan fiction discussions you had as a kid is unhealthy.
>>740980256It literally doesn't have to be Majora's Mask Darmani you dumbass, see Malon or Beetle or other characters.Hell it can't even be MM's Darmani because that's in another fucking realm, if anything it would be the original Darmani and MM's one would be his counterpart
>>740980094>EoW>TraditionalNah. Also I don't play with funko pops so I just assume EoW takes place in ToTK's future or something.
>>740980251>They don't reference DemiseWhen Ganondorf uses divine power to take the form of his evil heart made manifest, he becomes Ganon.When TOTKdorf uses divine power to take the form of his evil heart made manifest, he becomes Demis-er, I mean, "the Demon King (as established in SS with Demon King DEMISE)"TOTKdorf isn't Ganon, he's a Demon King. He's Demisedorf.
>>740980402What are you talking about? Are you ok anon?
>>740980329>it can come later.It would have to connect to any prior game in a remotely sensible way for that to be the case.
>>740980251>there's no mention she's connected to ZeldaStop larping holy shit>Zelda has the blood of a goddess>Hylia exists>the Master Sword came from the goddess first>the Triforce does exist because it has imagery, even if it's not part of these two games' plot>Zelda's powers are explicitly said to be a combination of Sonia and Rauru's, so what makes her specially was never just the goatPlay the fucking games
>>740980251>There's no mention hylia is connected to Zelda>There is no skyloft or loftwings or Fi or DemiseWhat's the point? Does it need a 10 minute intro retelling Skywards events for it to count? None of the previous games needed it either>There's no triforceReally now? So all the hylian crests in clothing and buildings with it are referencing nothing?The three springs and dragons representing their virtues are referencing something for no reason at all too?Does Zelda's hand shining is somehow awakening her dad's gigachad genes instead of the wisdom power?
>>740980349It works well to create a "did anyone think to ask US, the people you're expecting all this bullshit of" situation. It's playing people like chess pieces and never once stopping to consider "do we HAVE to go through all of this when we could just explain it to them and get them all working to the same goal?"
>>740974169No one's missing any point, you're just a retard.
>>740980593>Does Zelda's hand shining is somehow awakening her dad's gigachad genesWell he WAS pretty good in Age of Calamity...
>>740980480EoW is literally ALTTP3 and its placement in the timeline was already revealed to be exactly that, before Zelda 1-2 but after ALTTP2 and its minor sequel (ALBW and TFH).
>>740953984i wish someone whould shoot me out of a canon
>>740980641Y so mad tho
>>740980568And it does. Nabooru and Ruto are explicitly mentioned, and it's confirmed those aren't the names of the sages that battled alongside Rauru in TotK flashbacks. Also >>740980576>inb4 no not like that! Those aren't "sensible" enough for me! Doesn't count!Weak cope. Give up.
>>740980251fi is sort of in botw
>>740980484When I say 'reference' I do not mean a cheeky design cue that's lore agnostic. I mean something in the game's setting or lore that directly connects to and proves Demise existed. Ganondorf looking more like Demise is a cheeky cue, not lore.>>740980576>Zelda has the blood of a goddessIs that some lore from one of the musou spinoffs or something?>Hylia existsWith no proof she's connected to Zelda, yes.>The Master Sword came from the goddess firstSo? Does that mean it went through the same backstory as the SS manga/SS?>The Triforce exist because it has imageryThe only imagery are in the cheap reference items you get from treasure hunts, which has about as much relevance as the Hylian Shield you can get in SS (before Hyrule existed.)>Zelda's powers are explicitly said to be a combination of Sonia and Rauru'sThey specifically are never referred to as such.>>740980593>What's the point? The point is that ToTK intentionally tries to sever itself from the franchise completely, and anon is arguing it's directly connected to SS. He has to prove that argument, especially when ToTK wants to fight him so hard on that point.>So all the Hylian crestsThe bird? The bird is a bird. It never features the Triforce with it in ToTK.>The three springs and dragons representingThis is called copying the theme, but ToTK connects them to the Zonai, not the Golden Goddesses, who seem to no longer exist.>Zelda's hand shiningToTK tells us her powers are from the goat people, so it's really just a design nod and not proof the Triforce exists.
>>740980858BoTW sort of implies the Master Sword can communicate, but BoTW is the game that's wishy washy about whether BoTW exists in the same universe as the other games. ToTK comes out and says directly that they do not.
>>740980691>before Zelda 1-2The longer Nintendo lets Z2 be the last of its line, the longer Nintendo insists that NES Link stomped out evil in Christian Hyrule and had it stick permanently.
>>740969237Mutt's law
>>740980709I take great joy in categorizing the retarded.
>>740980768Nabooru and Ruto aren't mentioned, we have corruptions similar to their names for the Divine Beasts that reference old rulers of their people. That's a reference TO those characters but not proof OF those being the characters.
>>740980873>Is that some lore from one of the musou spinoffsStopped reading here. It's literally the tapestry lore from BotW. Kill yourself.
>>740977464>Saying this when Link was in a Zora love triangle in BotW.>The Ruto tablet in BotWyour denial only makes it sweeter
>>740980691It is literally a funko pop game where you summon random furniture and moblins to skip puzzles.
>>740980982Why did stepping on a Stalfos result in blood and entrails...? It's a skeleton...
>>740980982Uh huh, good for you I guess but not an argument
>>740981032Ruto is mentioned by name on the Zora History slabs.Urbosa namedrops Nabooru in her Divine Beast liberation cutscene.Kill yourself.
imagine how funny it wouldve been if the scene with Tulin meeting the previous sage of wind had that rito be windwaker style instead of botw style.and also Sidon meeting an OOT/MM style zora
>>740981050Do you think I remember every line of text in the videogame that came out 9 years ago, anon?
>>740981032Urbosa mentions Nabooru directly by name and both BOTW and TOTK mention princess Ruto the little girl who took care of Jabu Jabu, became the water sage and helped a princess and hero to defeat an evil man who hurt the zoras and wanted to control the kingdom.Kill yourself you piece of shit stop wasting my time
>all these people don't know about the actual Zelda CycleTurns out the "time" is a closed circle in Zelda, just like irl
>>740981125Ruto is never mentioned on those slabs. A story of a Zora loving a Hylian similar to Ruto's story in OOT is referenced, but there's no name.
Caring about the lore order of Zelda games is like caring about the lore order of Riley Reid porn videos
>>740981058>onesided love from the fish who died a virgin>Ruto's tablet also has zero mentions of her actually marrying, or even dating the heroThanks for proving me right. Fish can like human (hylian) cock but Nintendo will never let your fanfic happen and have Link fuck them.
I'm still confused on how Zelda is a descendent of this nigga and Sonia
>>740981201>do you think I remember important lore of the game I'm trying to discuss?You should.
>>740981330He used his light powers to impregnate Sonia and have an immaculate pregnancu.
>minor misspelling I'm out
>>740981275>trying to reframe written in game proof as headcanon and deflecting with headcanon to dismiss it.You confirmed your madness
Guys, it's that simple: BOTW is a love letter to the series legacy by referencing everyone and their mother literally everywhere, even in the world map you got regions naming every single plot relevant NPC from Tingle to Darunia, to even Satoru Iwata himself. You get the sword, beat the Pig Zilla and banged the princess, the end.It's TotK that's taking the meme and playing it unironically, the fanfic became real. It's a reddit game that's gonna have a reddit nu-canon, get over it and hope Ocarina remake pulls the series back into making traditional Zelda instead of TikTok open world craftan sloppa where goatfuckers rule the kingdom and Link is gonna build the cuckshed for Zelda and Paya and Purah breed with Hyrulean bulls while he gets his own ungabunga while crossdressing as a gerudo femboy
>>740981125>>740981209Okay anon, tell me where you think BoTW takes place in the timeline if these really are hardcore lore and not just shitty references ToTK ignores.
>>740980873>I mean something in the game's setting or lore that directly connects to and proves Demise existedHow about the Breach of Demise?>>740981236>Long, long ago... In a past more distant than even the Great Calamity or the creation of the Divine Beast Vah Ruta... There was a Zora princess named Ruto. We know that she was an attendant to the Zora patron deity and that she was a fair and lively girl, beloved to all. Around that same time, an evil man with designs on ruling the world appeared, bringing disaster upon Zora's Domain. It is said that Ruto then awoke as a sage, facing this foe alongside the princess of Hyrule and the hero of legend. Her achievements are remembered not only by the Zora, they are also forever etched in the history of Hyrule. The Divine Beast Vah Ruta, built ages later to face off against Calamity Ganon, was named in honor of Ruto. That the Zora princess—my sweet daughter Mipha—was chosen to pilot Ruta is surely the work of fate. tl;dr you're a poopskin, no more replies.
>>740981236>Part Five>"Long, long ago... In a past more distant than even the Great Calamity or the creation of the Divine Beast Vah Ruta... There was a Zora princess named Ruto. We know that she was an attendant to the Zora patron deity and that she was a fair and lively girl, beloved to all. Around that same time, an evil man with designs on ruling the world appeared, bring disaster upon Zora's Domain. It is said that Ruto awoke as a sage facing this foe alongside the princess of Hyrule and the hero of legend. Her achievements are remembered not only by the Zora, they are forever etched in the history of Hyrule. The Divine Beast Vah Ruta, built ages later to face off against Calamity Ganon, was named in honor of Ruto. That the Zora princess-my sweet daughter Mipha-was chosen to pilot Ruta is surely the work of fate."> — The Sage Princess Rutolarp larp larp sahur
>>740981374Not really that, I can forego the interspecies shite, I mean... they both fucking die and there's no mention of them having any children. I guess it's not impossible that there's just the implication in the background, but it seems goofy to not even mention or show it.
>>740981032Nigger, Vah Na Boris is explained by Urbosa in a mandatory story cutscenes over how it was inspired by THE Nabooru from Ocarina, not a random that could be plausibly deniable through gay theories.
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>>740981443>we know it can't be in the child timeline because Ruto only becomes a sage if OoT Ganondorf controls Hyrule for seven years>Ganondorf hasn't been replaced by another demon king after giving up his obsessionDownfall timeline. The map is also clearly inspired by AoL's and they advertised parts of BotW as the same Hyrule as from the original games too, so it can't be ST's New Hyrule. And the Triforce destroyed the old Hyrule too so the idea of returning there not only is against the game's writing, is impossible. BotW is clearly a downfall timeline game.
>>740981334I just don't have that kind of autism, sorry anon.
>>740981474>>740981464>posted at the same timeAnti hylian-zora fag BTFOOr should I say Zelinkfag BTFO?
>>740981603Then what destroyed AoL's Hyrule that reduced all of its people into brown tribal savages in a jungle that had to have sex with goats to get uplifted into civilization again?
>>740981159>My ancestor :)
>>740953984Every mainline console zelda game has had a plot reference in either the game's actual text or the manual that connects it to another game, before or after. The timeline theorycrafting debates were entirely about how to place the spinoff/handheld games in relation to the mainline
>>740981615That's my post. Yes, I'm >>740981275And yeah it doesn't say anything about Ruto getting to fuck Link, it's the same as Mipha, onesided fish girl never getting hero cock.Your fanfic will never be real.>b-b-b-butPost the part of that text where it says Ruto got together with Link romantically. I won't reply until you do. This should be easy if you are so sure it's canon.
>>740981330>>740981506They didn't want to model or decide what a half-Hylian child of zoophilia would look like.
>>740981606>I join heavy discussions of the history of a fictional world without remembering its key plot pointsSucks to be a retard like you, I can't relate.
>a fucking waifu threadshitter is throwing a tantrum in my zelda lorefagging thread
>>740981441>and banged the princessNo joke I am really sick of Nintendo's fear of commitment and general inability to write romantic dialogue. That shit's a staple of medieval-fantasy, and coupled (heh) with the inane storytelling, it's offensive as shit that they keep doubling down on having hours of cutscenes when FUCKING NOTHING OF ANY WORTH IS GOING ON.Heroes can't be heroes because the villains can't be villains, heroes can't love each other, nobody's ever really gone and ultimately nothing even matters because the Golden Goddesses are retarded and so is their world.And the worst part? The gameplay hasn't even been relevant in over 20 years, trailing behind companies like Capcom and From Software and Koei Tecmo (ironically). It's just dogshit. Fuck this stupid ass franchise.
The Zonai are the absolute worst lore addition to Zelda, even worse than the Ooca.
>>740981845Senpai I don't think one sentence is a key plot point.
>>740981441>Love letter>Takes a big fat steaming shit on all the lore and more importantly the gameplay of the series prior to itself?
>>740981730Nah, my point has been made and you moving the goal posts is enough for a win.You replying back would put your L in cement
Looking at Hyrule Historia right now, i forgot it's confirming the ocarina of time is made of the same material as timeshift stones.Meaning they'll probably add time travel on the fly inside dungeons without having to go back to the temple of time.Like for example the forest temple woulf have both child and adult sections, so actions like crawling and the boomerang stay relevant throughout the game.
>>740981441>love letter>shits on literally everything Zelda.
>>740953984I still stand by this being one of the most autistic things nintendo has ever done.This is the equivalent of those star wars books that give explanations on what every lever on the millennium falcon does and the different types of metal that darth vaders suit is made out of. just shit they're pulling out of their ass because fans are too obnoxious to accept that some stuff is just done because it's cool without having any concern about overarching lore
>>740981687We don't know and it doesn't matter. Do you think Zelda 1 can't happen after ALTP too because we don't know how the castle disappeared? Or ALTTP can't happen after OOT because we don't know how the Temple of Time disappeared too? Hell in TP the temple is ruined too and they didn't even have the seven years of conflict thing but I don't see you demanding an explanation for all that kind of stuff.And yes I would like Nintendo to explore the disappearance of the first Hyrule that led to Rauru's one but not knowing that doesn't magically means I get to ignore the rest.Also>tribal savages without civilizationNothing ever stated they were like that when Rauru arrived btw, they just didn't have a properly established kingdom anymore. Sonnia is also said to be a priest beloved by her people before becoming queen too so they did have society, religion, etc, they weren't fucking animals you know
>>740981796I assume it'd just look like an abnormally tall Hylian. That's what Rhoam is, basically, and Zelda ultimately looks normal. I figured the defining factor was the (potential) for height and the ears.I.E. Zonai + Ancient Hylian = Tolkien-esque Elves. And by Ancient Hylian, I mean even before the founding of Hyrule, because yeah apparently there was like ten-gorillion years of history where the Zonai along with Ancient Ancient Hylians inhabited the world.So in my mind, the Hylians we see in TotK's memories and Age of Imprisonment are effectively those offspring.
>>740981905>I don't think a character having the blood of a literal goddess is a plot point Ah yes that's totally what a The Legend of Zelda fan would say you are clearly not a retarded shitposter messing with meFuck off
>>740981124For the first time ever, you're right. You being retarded isn't an argument, but rather pure fact.
>>740982116Rhoam and Zelda are over 10,000 years out from Sonia x Raura, the only way they have any detectable Zonai blood at all is magic bullshit, they're less than .0000001% goat. A direct child, on the other hand, 50% animal, would have to share features. He'd at least have ears, which they didn't want to show a goat kemomimi for whatever reason.
>>740982193I suppose ToTK retconning it to her having the blood of a goat made me forget it, anon.
>>740981868It's a series for children anon. There's barely any blood in it, afaik the last time was in Ocarina and even then it was just Dorf coughing blood and the Bottom of the Well dungeon scenery.You can't get any better implications of romance than Zelda's infatuation for Link in her flashbacks in BOTW and the ending. And if you were still in doubt, TOTK opens up with them living together. You seriously can't expect any more confirmation than this, any Disney romance does the same except maybe the big onscreen smooch after beating Jafar, but come on
Rip my nigga Owl Rauru, can't wait to see the owl turn into goatman.
>>740981921>>740981989You may not like the reboot rebooting things, but it sure as hell recognizes and references everything. Sometimes even obscure shit like fucking Sahasrahla.
So what would have happened had Link not been the chosen one?>"Your kid ain't shit, fuck off back to the trenches with your lowtier beat, Hylian vixen!".
The zonai aren't fucking up the canon.The zonai are the new canon.
I have one of these books but not this one in particular. I saw it in a clearance rack at a book store. How many zelda books did they make?
>>740982609Yep, totk Zelda time traveled back to oot remake.She will be in the throne room scene in the remake but Link will never interact with her.Also Rauru is now goatman.And the Rito are in.
>>740982197Are you butt frustrated?
Dynamic time travel for puzzles is 10000% a thing.Oot rando showed how fucking dumb going aaall the way back to the Temple of time everytime is.
>>740982689Five>The green book: Skyward anniversary- ahem. I mean, Hyrule Historia >The blue book: officially licensed Nintendo product of Zelda multiverse fanfic, namely Encyclopedia>Arts and Artifacts, the red book containing nothing but artworks>Creating a Champion, for BOTW>Secrets of the Zonai, which is Creating a Champion for TOTK
>>740981868>the Golden GoddessesAnon, they haven't been mentioned in the last six games or so. I'm half-expecting the OOT remake to scrub them from existence and replace them with Hylia.
>>740984220They had major plot significance in Echoes of Wisdom, for better or worse.
>>740982040Those books were really fun as a kid though.>B-but as a story that kind of thing doesn't matter and...Okay, and? It was neat.
>>740982098We literally see them running around in grass skirts covered in primitive rocks. They were mudhut level savages.
>>740982098>they weren't fucking animalsI mean, Sonia was literally fucking an animal.
>>740984275These people are the ones who didn't mind Disney scrapping Star Wars EU, pay them no mind.
>>740982256Back in my day, series for children showed the hero and the princess kissing in the ending.
>>740984272I don't play with funko pops so I have no idea what happened there.
>>740953984It makes me melancholy when I think that there used to be a time when gaming was just small enough that creators could actually follow what a community was fixated on.These days it's all collated up in some marketing tool as gray sludge that maybe an executive puts in a powerpoint at the weekly prod meeting. Or it's because of something really bad.
>>740984472In the post-Covid post-MeToo world, female characters having faces too pretty is already liability enough, gotta beat them with the uggo stick first and maybe the race stick too
>>740982604He'd have become a skull kid
>>740982604Anyone not a Kokiri who gets lost in the Lost Woods becomes a skull kid if they are a child, or a Stalfos if they're already adult.Link himself would become one by somehow finishing Majora's events while still a kid yet growing up enough to become adult before dying in the woods.
>>740985028He isn't a Stalfos, anon, he's a straight out ghost.
can you really call it a timeline when they keep making sequels that split off and make their own timeline
>>740985103Should've died outside the woods anyway, so he could at least look human like Dampe did
The Zelda Timeline is the greatest gatekeeping tool ever conceived.
>>740985175>Hey anon did you know WW and TP follow different timelines you can see in the ending of OOT?>OMG THAT'S TOO HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF WHY CAN'T THEY JUST BE LIKE RETELLINGS OR SOMETHING
>>740985106It's more of a genealogical tree, but no one ain't gonna twist their tongues for that
>>740982836No, just victorious.
>>740953984I got this book from my sister as a present but I've never opened it.
>>740985249The problem isn't the games themselves, but the gay theory anons muddying up the waters by making up, denying and reinterpreting shit in the fandom, which eventually find their way into the Wikia.Many such cases!
>>740985472Most of the opposition to the timeline from the western fanbase is sourced from 00's era fanfiction forums and such, where all the timeline theorists and anti-timeline theorists who had no access to/knowledge of Japanese-language interviews congregated.
Heil Historia narrates events with rich iconography and trivia from the widely popular SchutzSkysword game.
>>740985106The best way to interpret BotW / TotK is to think of it as the timeline looping back on itself and keeping some "memories" of the previous iterationThat's why zora and rito exist at the same time, why the name bible is pulling from every single previous game, why there are significant landmarks from previous games
Imagine the end of OoT remake gives you a decision as Link: stay in the future or go back to the past. That way the Hero's soul stays in the future timeline in one of the branches. Would you choose to stay or go back? I'd stay (for Zelda). It would also open up an option for a direct sequel Hero of Time game to the future timeline like MM was to the past timeline.
>>740983141Yeah I have the blue book. I opened it once and the spine broke. Every book I get does that so I switched to digital E-readers.
I'd choose for Link to take you back to the past To play those shitty games that suck assHe'd rather have
>>740986148at what point does HE COME TO TOWNTO SAVETHE PRINCESS ZELDA
>>740985472This seems silly now, but the arguments back in the day were way simpler than that. It was literally "is there a timeline or not?"To me the answer was always "obviously yes", but apparently it was not obvious to a lot of people because it was debated nearly daily, and not just on GameFAQs' Zelda Social Board but everywhere.That's the real argument Historia settled: yes, there is a timeline, here it is, it's effectively what everyone thought it'd be. And honestly there really aren't any other theories out there even these days because it's not that complicated. The big outstanding question is BotW / TotK, which are so out of place that it can't be anything but deliberate. We just don't know how or why yet. It'll only get obnoxious if the next Zelda is something else entirely and they never address the zonai in the room.
>>740986243>but apparently it was not obvious to a lot of peopleThese were mostly people who either never played anything but one or two games, or secondaries who liked their fancanon instead.
>>740986243did they ever explain how all the sheikah shrines disintegrated and were replaced by goatfucker shrinesand why there are no left overs from the guardian robots
The games based on OoT are sequels to OoTThe games based of LttP are chronologically in release orderTourist who never played the games but want to be part of the "Zelda Community": "It's so complicated, we have to get rid of the timeline."
>>740986325Yeah by saying they literally just dissolved away.>>740986243BoTW feels like a game that was made to feel like it could fit anywhere but they could maybe make a decision to fit it somewhere specific later if they wanted. A soft reboot. ToTK feels like a game that was made to completely invalidate the series prior to BoTW, a hard reboot. Even earlier in the thread where people argued BoTW isn't a retcon to the timeline, notice that all of their examples are from BoTW with ZERO from ToTK.
>>740986325The Sheikah tech sensed the Calamity's defeat and collectively decided its purpose was served, so it all disintegrated. Except for the arrowheads. And the guardian arms in Purah's towers. And the guardian on top of Purah's lab. Everyone in Hyrule saw it happen and implicitly understood why it happened, so no one feels the need to talk about it.This is not explained in the game itself.
>>740986191Gonna have to ask Serj Tankian, he brought it up
>>740954510>The basic order is Ocarina, then the original FDS Zelda, followed by A Link to the Past.Wait a minute..
>>740986840Considering he didn't even mention Zelda 2 existing, he probably just misspoke off of the top of his head. ALTTP itself was sold at its time of release as the prequel to LoZ, not sequel.
>>740985360You feel accomplished for insulting someone? lol
>>740963573The whole canon things with Link being a polygamy man is rather based asf but there is no way it will happen in this age of diversity exclusivity LGBT shit. Maybe in alternate timeline perhaps..
>>740978445It's crazy that there's a bunch of giant robots stomping around Hyrule in BOTW yet I still feel like the coolest parts of the game are the ones you get told about rather than playing yourself.>link's familyGod fucking dammit all.
>>740953984It was dogshit. If there needed to be 3 timelines, there should've been a second divergent timeline instead of having a timeline where Link fucking dies in OoT.
The Downfall timeline is actually caused by the Bottom of Well/Song of Storms paradox
>>740954205The branching timelines already existing before the book. Wind Waker was a sequel to Ocarina of Time after Ganon conquers Hyrule and is defeated by Link. Majora's Mask is a sequel to Ocarina of Time after Link is sent to back to his childhood. The two games are already taking place in branching timelines.
>>740980484Sorry to destroy this whole post anon, but Ganondorf has always had the demon king title, they just used to translate it as "great king of evil"
>>740963904It is officially it's own continuity. Originally Breath of the Wild was clearly meant to tie in with the previous titles but whoever they outsourced to write Tears of the Kingdom fucked it up so bad they had to retroactively quarantine Breath of the Wild with it.
