It was actually fine. Hollywood went out of its way (using jilted FF fans as useful idiots) to make it fail, for two reasons:1) It was made by an upstart outsider-owned studio2) The director planned to make more films with the lead as a reusable "digital" actressAt this time, CG films were still new. Hollywood barely tolerated Pixar, as a kid's movie maker, eventually absorbed by Disney; Dreamworks was owned by a former Disney insider. Who else was there? ILM? WETA was in its infancy. Both of those last two stayed in their lane. Square Pictures was a unicorn: an actual studio aimed at producing films for general audiences, with technology Hollywood had no real expertise in. Worse, that technology was CLEARLY the future, and they'd dragged their heels even after letting Toy Story happened. Never again. TSW might have been iffy, but FFX came out around the same time. One success was the difference between an entirely new paradigm in the industry, out of the legacy's control. You'll notice that CG effects and CG film production really picked up after 2001, built up the way Hollywood wanted it: small, desperate effects houses that studios could screw and keep out of the big boys' marketing and distribution pipes if they ever got uppity enough to try to go their own way. No "digital actors". And certainly no Japanese (hiss) game publishers (double hiss) stepping in on their turf.Imagine if they'd done Advent Children first.
>>740973546There is a simple rule: don't play with (((Hollywood))), they tricked millions of rich idiots. Japs were too cocky
Yeah I've watched it before, it's not some god awful film, it's okay, just not what people want out of the Final Fantasy brand, especially back then.
>>740973546The movie failed purely because of brand recognition. Final Fantasy fans who went to see it didn't get Final Fantasy and hated it. Everyone who would have liked the movie but didn't like Final Fantasy didn't go see it. The remainder who just went in to watch it blind to the marketing were so few they could be counted on one hand.
most modern films are garbage compared to it. its still not a great film. its not awful either.
>>740973898The rest of the industry took heed and proceeded to eat Hollywood's lunch, as far as earnings go. The deal was Hollywood gets to keep cultural mind share and games get all the money (and funnel people to movies through the production of particular types of games). You'll notice that the recent Hollywood incursion attempts came around after live service games turned into a money printer, pushing "cinematic" games to the side and rewriting an entire generation's media sense (this is also the reason they go so hard on partnerships for those live service games). Incursions failed, so now they're pivoting to demonizing live service (which are really demonic on a fundamental level anyway, but again, they were funneling up Hollywood's money and mind share).
>>740973546It's a shitty movie with horrid, uncanny valley CGI. Not everything is a conspiracy.
>>740973546I recently re-watched this and it's shit.
>>740974420Kill yourself, bro.This movie is ace!
>>740974405>Not everything is a conspiracy.Exactly what an ayyy lmao would say.
>>740973546>It was actually fine.it was boring and poorly written.
>>740974105>>740974305This was it. It shouldn't have been a blockbuster, but it shouldn't have flopped nearly as bad as it did. This happens a lot with game movies because the industry is allergic to pushing people towards game-related properties, no matter the quality (at least until they got their cut).>>740974405>>740974420
>>740974602Sorry, gif was picrel for the last two (you)s.
>>740973546if that's true then why did the space jews allowed Nintendo to enter hollywood?
>>740973546If you went back in time and swapped this movie with advent children, we'd be living in a very different future for final fantasy
>>74097501420 years later, dynamics changed. Hollywood has their CG kids thing on lock (Illumination Studios, not Nintendo Studios); on the other hand, they needed a new hit after COVID because otherwise they were about to lose kids to Roblox et al. for good. It was a gambit.
>>740975094Facts.
>>740973546Visionary film. Full CGI kino is the future of cinema.
>>740973546this movie scared me as a kid desu
>>740977215Your parents let you watch it?
>>740974159I don't think anyone hated it. It would have been better as not an FF movie or as an FF game, but not both FF and a movie, unforch.
>>740979269nah I watched all kinds of shit without them knowing
>>740980201Fair. Was that, "Neat, learned my lesson," situation or, "I am not a quick learner," situation? (Or just a one-off and you didn't encounter a similar issue afterward?)
>>740980303I never learned my lesson, that's why I'm on 4chan
>>740973546>this generically mid cgi alien movie is actually.... le finesomehow it's the jews' fault that square played it too safe and made it for the "general audiences"
>>740973546Anon, the entire movie was a tech demo for Aki who Square wanted to use as an actual CGI actress to be in movies. Now, it's actually funny how far ahead of its time this movie was with the current push for AI slop 'actors.'
>>740982047That was one of the reasons OP gave for Hollywood having an issue with it.
>>740974420Fuck yeah. Rad Racer.
1. It was genuinely not good other than the visuals2. To counteract its mediocrity, one would have only needed to add elements from other FF games, sprinkled in sparingly, but they intentionally didn't do thisThey created something only they and no one else wanted, with the FF name tacked on it, and, to their shock and surprise, no one wound up liking it (for good reason).
>>740974159That was the general consensus in 2001. Nobody went back to see it again.
Additionally, let's look no further than Advent Children to find a TOTAL PIECE OF SHIT that had some traction among fans for the inclusion of fanservice (the non-sexual variety). The characters you love! Firaga and shit! The victory theme! All of those propped up what's absolutely a huge piece of shit to the point where fans largely liked it at the time it was released.
>>740982461It had about as much to do with earlier FF as XIII, which is to say, a lot, but fans were too dense to understand the parallels.Excuse me, "are too dense."
>>740973546it looked like absolute ass on a theater screen
I liked the setting of this movie. I could imagine a Resident Evil-like or an FPS game in this universe where you have to fight against phantoms, popping flares to see them and all that jazz.
Gantz - 0King's Glaive Advent Children are all amazing CGI movies.even as a fanboy, TSW is the middest thing ever.
>>740984329I could see it minus the enemies one shotting you by stealing your spirit. That would be too much even for a survival horror game.
Xenogears killed Square
>>740973546The story was garbage and had absolutely nothing to do with Final Fantasy.
>>740981856Everything that exists, everything that happens, everything at all is because of the Jews.
>>740973546It was genuinely awful. A boring movie pathetically failing at trying to be poignant. Literally the only good thing to came out of it is they had the main character do a nude spread in Playboy because at least that was something somewhat novel and interesting.
>>740973546It was a film that nobody asked for, made in a way that nobody wanted, that nobody went to see
>>740984084XIII still had the standard FF material in it. TSW had absolutely nothing FF-related in it.
>>740973546I loved the movie, even tho I was just a kid and didn't understood much. Rewatched many times to get the little easter eggs and apretiate the art. Loved the extras on the DVD.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WuVcUZ0q
>>740985812The fucking creator of the fucking final fantasy made the fucking movie and called it final fucking fantasy but yeah it had absolutelly nothing FF-related in it. Like Gaia, Earth is dying and meteors falling.
>>740986167>Like GaiaE.V. O Search for Eden also has a Gaia.>Earth is dyingGeneric plot.>and meteors fallingA bunch of movies have those.Where's the Moogles? Where's the Cactuars? Where's the magic, the classes, the parties, the Behemoths, Ifrit, Shiva, Bahamut, Ultima Weapon, Morbols, you know the iconic Final Fantasy things that make the franchise Final Fantasy?
>>740985024By being the best game in their catalogue? Yeah, it exposed how bad FF is
>>740985720based jews creators of the universe
>>740986576Xenogears A shit
>>740984329Concept so good someone from Square left the company for Namco and went on to steal the concept just to make his own movie game. As if he watched the movie and said "SW sucked, I can do better".
>>740974105I really think the main problem is that people were expecting Final Fantasy 7 or 8 from it, and instead we got something that would have been more like 13.I saw it and at the time, I thought it was fine.
>>740987020It never clicked in my head the connection but you aren't wrong, lel.
>>740987057I was expecting FF9.
>>740973546it's pretty boring. it might've broken even without the name backfiring, but they really just needed a better screenplay
I've always wondered if Gears of War was a little bit inspired by these guys. Am I just retarded?
>>740987020Can you explain to me why Xenosaga (the supposed movie game) has skippable cutscenes from the start, good combat and mini games (the arena with AGWS, and XenoCard) while FFX has unskippable cutscenes for a much less complex story?
>>740974105>>740987057It generally just wasn't a good sci-fi movie despite the top notch CGI and space horror monsters. Added to the fact that it came out around the time when sci-fi and space sci-fi genres were dying badly. It wasn't a traditional Final Fantasy and it was a bad sci-fi movie. The movie just didn't appealed to anyone. Despite all that, out of all the dumpster fire remakes, Square really should try again remake/re-image SW into a game. I don't think anyone is going to cry about changing anything from that movie.
>>740976892AWOOGA
>>740987020Even worse Xeno shit
Should have just called it The Spirits Within and not pissed off the diehards when it had zero to do with anything from the wider series
>>740987616Not at all, so part of designing a new franchise is or designing anything really is what we call a 'mood wall'. Here I'll leave this here for a description into what a mood wall/ board is>A mood board is a type of visual presentation or 'collage' consisting of images, text, and samples of objects in a composition. It can be based on a set topic or can be any material chosen at random. A mood board can be used to convey a general idea or feeling about a particular topic.If there's overlap in franchises and they don't have existing deals together then it'll be because there's design inspiration taken, consciously through mood boards and such or subconsciously an art designer will have watched the movie at some point and maybe he couldn't remember the armour design but put 'pen to paper' so to speak, began the design process for his new character on the different franchise without being aware of where the inspiration stemmed from, until maybe years later when fan theories came out much like yours. We're a lot more connected than people wish to admit and back in the early 00s the FF movie had huge marketing, so it's not unreasonable to assume that someone on the Gears team watched it considering it was also a 'vidya game movie' franchise.
>>740987689Well for starters. One is made by Square and the other was made by Bandai. 2nd you're comparing a lunch PS2 title to a mid life PS2 title. And 3rd is just you being nitpicky.
