So where do the newer games fit in on the official canon timeline?
>>741004128Downfall, we already had this conversation.
A Link Between Worlds and Echoes of Wisdom are between Alttp and LoZ. Probably also after the Oracles/LA since Ganon is depicted as a Beast in both, which both his revival and devolution is in the Oracles.BOTW/TOTK are just "way after everything", but TOTK seems to have pretty much established that they're just their own continuity.
>>741004128They don't, the time line is now a time sphere, anything can be anywhere, anytime.Really makes you wonder why they even bothered to make a time line if the next game they were already working on was going to completely destroy it.
>>741004128If you play Skyward Sword you'll notice that there's actually a new timeline branch generated by Link's actions.The timeline we know is created when Link seals Demise in the present with the falling Hylia statue, and then he leaves the Mastersword in the sealed templex which later becomes the temple of time. But from then SS Link and Zelda have children and sometime later Hyrule is founded and we see a young Hyrule in Minish Cap.So what's the problem?The problem is that Link also defeated Demise in the ancient past shortly after Hylia sealed him and lifted up Skyloft, after Link kills Demise and returns to the present we know have a new branching path.A path where Demise was defeated by a hero but then that hero leaves and takes the mastersword with him.Since the surface is safe the people of skyloft resettle the surface millenia before the mainline and that's why they dress more like bronze age cultures, after this we get the Zonai ,etc. And then Sonia, a descendant of Zelda establishes Hyrule with Rauru. This explains why Rauru has never heard of Link or the Mastersword before, because in this timeline SS Link disappears with it. It also explains how SS mythos is still prominent within the world despite everything else being inconsistent. Now, how does the mastersword reappear in the BotW/TotK timeline? Not entirely clear, but an argument can be made that it is a different sword created AFTER the founding of Hyrule.Thanks for reading, also reminder that Nintendo makes these games with theorycrafting for the fans in mind - after gameplay that is.
>>741004275Not really, they still follow the same continual timeline.
>>741004128Nowhere, Nintendo realized that shit was fucking gay and restrictive so they made BotW to explicitly shit on it. It's honestly the most based thing about that game, timelinefags are hypercancer.
>>741007972BotW doesn't invalidate anything about the official canon timeline.
>>741007602Problem with this hypothesis is that the Master Sword still speaks with Fi's voice. The easiest explanation is that Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom takes place far in the distant future, when all three timelines have already converged back into one, and the kingdom of Hyrule has long-since faded away from people's memories. That is why Rito and Kokiri exist alongside the Zora, when the only timeline that held Rito had them an explicit evolution from the Zora to keep them away from the sealed Hyrule. Because the "Imprisoning War" referenced in Tears of the Kingdom lies in opposition to the Imprisoning War referenced in Link to the Past's instruction manual, and it makes no sense how the Zonai could've existed before Skyward Sword, which entails the direct battle of Hylia vs Demise, the original incarnation of Ganondorf's evil. Also, when Link made the wish to "seal" Demise with the goddess statue via the Triforce he actually wished to KILL Demise, which was Hylia's goal in the war against him.
>>741007972Did you have a stroke when watching the intro of Wind Waker?It directly connects OoT with WWOr the ganondord execution scene in TP, which again directly connects with OoTTry to keep up little buddy
>>741004128I keep forgetting Windwaker had sequels. They were so utterly unremarkable, were they actually made by nintendo? Why would I want a Zelda game about trains?
>>741004128so tired of the timeline shit
>>741008186>easiest explanation is that somehow three different dimensions mergedYou are a fucking retard.
>>741008443So you have been tired since January 1987?
>>741008186Easiest explanation is that Nintendo doesn't actually give a fuck, let alone even 1/10th as much of a fuck as you do.
>>741004128BotW and TotK aren't in the timeline.
>>741008186That is neither how timelines work nor is it what Nintendo did for that matter anyway. They treat them as self contained universes separate from the official Zelda canon.
>>741004128This is how they fit. They're officially not in the timeline.
>>741009714They are officially in the timeline as confirmed by the devs, their placement is just hidden.
>>741009860Surely you can back up that claim
>>741009860No they're not. What you're talking about is before Tears of the Kingdom. Breath of the Wild explicitly used to connect to all 3 branches. They have since removed that connection and isolated it with Tears of the Kingdom.
>>741009860You got a citation for that claim?
>>741004128There is no timeline beacuse it's literally a legend
>BRO SOME OF THE GAMES ARE SEQUELS>THAT MEANS EVERY SINGLE GAME IS CONNECTEDTimelinefags...
>>741010529>moving goalpostsLol
>>741009943>>741010027>>741010028Thanks for proving this thread is full of retards pushing fanfiction rather than actually playing the games and reading what the devs tell to the players>Eiji Aonuma, series producer: “Well of course it’s at the very end. But, I get what you’re asking, it’s which timeline is it the end of?”>Hidemaro Fujibayashi, director: “That’s… up to the player’s imagination, isn’t it?”Nothing about a merge of timelines, nothing about a reboot, nothing about a separate continuity, nope, nothing about your stupid fanfics. The world of BotW, TotK and AoI are part of the official timeline made public first in Hyrule Historia, they just haven't revealed at which of the three ends it is (after AoL, after FSA or after ST).>inb4 TotK somehow changed that because my headcanon..Nobody cares.
>>741010634>actually it's not how the official website explicitly displays it it's just [my own headcanon]
>>741007864For them to work you have to assume that basically everything before it hit a full apocalypse, then new sky beings came down and founded a new Hyrule.
>>741009089Here how
>>741011096>then new sky beings came down and founded a new Hyrule.Isn't there some interview where Aonuma said the Zonai didn't necessarily found "Hyrule" but rather "This Hyrule"?
>>741011010>what Zelda writers say is headcanonSee?
>>741011096Pretty much this. Otherwise you have to explain why the Zonai were a non-entity in every other game despite apparently being super important to Hyrule existing. Granted, Skyward Sword has the same problem with Hylia to a lesser degree, but at the very least there was a ‘Lake Hylia’ and maybe the nebulous “time goddess” mentioned in Majora’s Mask is Hylia. Still bizarre that there zero worship sites for this Omni-important God until it was story relevant.
>>741010529>Zelda 2 is sold as the direct sequel of Zelda 1>Zelda 3 is sold as the distant prequel of Zelda 1>Zelda 4 is sold as the direct sequel of Zelda 3>Zelda 5 is sold the distant prequel of Zelda 3>Zelda 6 is sold the direct prequel of Zelda 5>Zelda 7-8 are sold together and show the origin of Ganon being mindless in Zelda 1, so they have to be before Zelda 1 but after Zelda 3 (when he was still "sane")>Zelda 9 was sold as the earliest story in the franchise's history>Zelda 10 is sold as the distant sequel of Zelda 5>Zelda 11 is sold as a sequel of Zelda 9>Zelda 12 is sold as an even earlier story than Zelda 9>Zelda 13 is sold as the distant sequel of Zelda 5>Zelda 14 is sold as the direct sequel of Zelda 10>Zelda 15 is sold as the sequel of Zelda 14>Zelda 16 is sold as an even earlier event than Zelda 12>Hyrule Historia enters here with its public timeline (with the info in the lines above)>Zelda 17 is even fucking called the equivalent to "ALTTP2" in japanese, sequel of Zelda 3, and is quickly confirmed it in the public timeline>Zelda 18 could be its own thing but is quickly revealed to be a sequel of Zelda 17, also added to the public timeline>Zelda 19 is weird but is confirmed to be "at the end of one of the timelines" and it's clear it's at least after Zelda 5 just from the memories alone >Zelda 20 is the sequel of Zelda 19>Zelda 21 is literally ALTTP3, third time they do that map and shit and is obviously revealed to be sequel of Zelda 17 tooEven if we removed Historia from the picture the events of the games and the interviews with the developers do connect every single game with others, the one and only game where you could say it otherwise exists in a vacuum is Triforce Heroes.
>>741011383I suppose it could be seen as with the "All other events happened, but are seen as legends from current games point of view" theory.If that's the case, then The Zonai are basically just the Skyloftians (Which would explain the sudden Hylia statue relevance), and the whole thing is extremely stylized with goat people. There are some OOT Mirrors too with Ganondorf pledging fake allegiance which I would think are intentional. Basically the time between TOTK's past and the BOTW era is a kind of condensed legend of some of the past games main events, told with goat people and a different divine power.
>>741011468Actually they revealed ALBW was always the intended base for TFH so anyone well informed would know "Zelda 18" is a sequel to "Zelda 17", no elaborate official timeline needed.
>>741011640You just reminded me of how retarded TotK was with Ganondorf's allegiance>Zelda: So I can't exactly say why, but this man is evil>Mineru: Brother, I think this guy's evil, I wouldn't trust him>Ganondorf: Sup faggot lol, nice "kingdom" you have here>Rauru: Hmmmmm... Yes, you can live in my house with me and stay close to everyone I hold dear including my wife and children
>>741011768Nice to know Aonuma was still assmad about Miyamoto thinking muppet Link looked retarded late into the 3DS’s lifetime.
>>741011383>Still bizarre that there zero worship sites for this Omni-important God until it was story relevant.Not that bizarre at all when you look at real world parallels.Ahkenaten for example introduced Atenism into Egyptia culture, so for a few generations Egypt went from worshiping Ra, Anubis, Osiris, etc. To just worshiping on god Aten. And then some pharoes down the road decided to go back to polytheism. So in their own history we see a sudden rememergence of a different deity.And it's not exclusive to Egypt, this also happened in the Incan empire, in Asia. Basically all over.
>windwaker doesn't take place after major-ACK!>TP somehow takes place on an adjacent timeline despite the sages failing to execute Ganon
>>741011253Nta, but anon, the devs change their mind all the fucking time and they already said in Hyrule Historia that the official timeline is not absolute and can change whenever the fuck they feel like changing it. Which already happenned to the oracle games' placement for example.
>>741012036Wind Waker also references two Zelda games.The obvious one being OoT, but did you know that WW Link is a descendant of Minish Cap Link? Granny gives you his shield and adult link never left any descendants in that timeline.
>>741011640So quarantining them out into their own timeline is the right move then?
Nintendo slapped that timeline shit together to sell a book.
>>741004128Botw is separate from the time line And totk is also separate from botw despite being a direct sequel
>>741012183>Botw is separate from the time line lol no it isnt, you can find the cloaks from the past links and majora's mask in various spots in both games
The details don't matter. It's in the title. Legends can shift and vary. There is elements of many of the individual games that do end up being referenced even if vaguely and later titles. So there is a sense of continuity, but the actual details are very flexible as if you're listening to a story that's been retold many times with details removed and added by hundreds of people. In the real world, it's just that they don't care all that much about story details and care a lot more about anything else about the game.
>>741011468Yeah, basically every Zelda game in franchise history was sold off of either its connection to a specific other Zelda game or its place relative the whole rest of the series. Forming the timeline is quite literally just a matter of daisy chaining these connections, the "theorycrafting" is mostly accounting for the occasional act of retarded developer ego like Wind Waker.
>>741011468>Zelda 3 is sold as the distant prequel of Zelda 1Isn't that just a localization thing?From what i see the game was treated as its own separate and unrelated story back then in japan.
>>741004128>official canon timelineToday I will remind everyone that nobody has ever been privy to that besides Aonuma, Shigeru, and the director of any given Zelda project. The Hyrule Historia presents the author's best guess, and Nintendo signed off on it for release, THAT'S ALL. You're a fool to think that it's actually maintaining precision. If you don't put in the leg work yourself you will not obtain the official canon timeline.
>>741012164Yeah but so it like this, from Twilight Princess' perspective the Occa are also the "sky people who come from a pre-history of technological advancement and founded Hyrule". Basically they are also the Skyloftans or Goat men, told from that game's point of view. And the events of OOT (What bit it addresses) is also part of its own legend.Or from Alttp's point of view, OOT's story was the Imprisoning war of that game but happened differently due to legends being a mishmash of history and headcanon.
>>741010634You know the devs constantly changed their minds on the timeline right? For example one of the earliest official timelines had links awakening take place in the middle of zelda2. The shits made up except for the few games that are obvious direct sequels
>>741012296And other clothes from previous games are mentioned in the description as being from a different dimmension iirc.
>>741012382Nigger it's literally the origin story of Ganondorf before the guy appeared in OoT, and Hyrule was in decadence but still existed, it was the Zelda 1 map but before the downfall, it was always a prequel.
>>741012449>Basically they are also the Skyloftans or Goat men, told from that game's point of view.
>>741012382No. It tried to explain the ruined, almost post apocalyptic feeling of Zelda 1 & 2 and show the rise of Ganon as the king of monsters and holder of the Triforce of power.I think the title "Triforce of the Gods" was meant to evoke the sense that you're in an era closer to the Gods.
>>741012296Those exist because some kid tapped some plastic on a tablet in a separate dimension
>>741012437See >>741011468There is an official canon timeline and you can see this from interviews with the creators themselves. This includes the fallen timeline. No amount of cope will erase this fact.
>>741012656You know what I mean though. It's like dragons. They all look different depending on who tells the story and half the stories around them are based on the same shit, but told wildly differently.
>>741012643>Nigger it's literally the origin story of Ganondorf before the guy appeared in OoT, and Hyrule was in decadence but still existed, it was the Zelda 1 map but before the downfall, it was always a prequel.The same ganon who got completely killed but was somehow alive in Zelda 1?
>>741012731yhats even stupider than saying it takes place in the way too distant future
>>741012828>The way BotW and TotK can fit into the timeline is stupidNoowwwwww you're getting it!
>>741012754The fallen hero timeline is the devs making their best attempt to put together something coherent after Aonuma insisted on retconning a connection between two previous games for the first time in Zelda history. OoT was made to have its ending connect to ALttP's and Aonuma made it connect to WW instead.
>>741012825>ganon who got completely killedNice head canon, everyone know ganon is too evil to die.
where will ocarina of time 2026 fit
>>741012876no, its fine for BotW because theyre distancing it far enough and saying "we built robots this time because we learned from experience that ganon will keep coming back so we're gonna have skynet try to stop him"Tears having "Haha, there was ANOTHER ganon, unrelated, in a bubble XD" was retarded
>>741012825Ganon didn't get completely killed in ALttP you fucking mong. He got sealed. This is where the idea of "sealing" Ganon to let him appear in a future entry without having him revive constantly came from. The only game where Ganon comes back from true death is Zelda fucking 2.
>>741012912I obiously meant before the future games retconned it into that.
>>741012754Why did you tag me, idgi
>>741012987That's a fucking retcon made years after the fact. I'm talking about the original fucking intention back when the game was made.
This chronology is a shitload of fuckhttps://youtu.be/cHIP9UtkQDQ
>>741012982Don’t forget>Set up the Zonai as low-fantasy barbarians and wizards in BotW>Instead reveal them to be more technomonks like the Sheikah, except they’re furries from space from WAY back whenDone entirely to make the Lego building and puzzle shrine re-use make sense.
>>741012958Same spot but with additional details tying it to the other games. Nothing major but little details like a Hylia statue hidden away in Hyrule Castle dungeons like in EoW, since worship had fallen away. Or an unattended Hylia statue in Lake Hylia. And probably pre skyward sword ruins like in BotW and Tears
>>741013224No the fuck it isn't. ALttP was intended as a prequel to Zelda 1, where he's alive and you kill him, and Zelda 2, where the bad guys are trying to revive him. He clearly didn't die before Zelda 1. He got sealed.>BUT THE GAME DIDNT SAY THAT EXPLICITLYAnd yet the intent remains the intent.
>>741013112>>741013224Retcon? Let me guess, you think the fallen timeline is a retcon too.
>>741013619Ironically most people miss that OoT's fallen timeline isn't even the only one.In Zelda 2 adventure of Link if you get a gameover the screen shows Ganon and says "Game over, Ganon Returns" so there's a precedent already in the lore.
>>741013619Of course it is. Originally Four Swords Adventures was even going to tie the child timeline from ocarina with ALttP until Miyamoto made them remove most of the plot.
Let's be honest people, Zelda was never meant to have a timeline. It was just fun theorizing for the fans, nothing more. These games are about as connected as Final Fantasy.
>>741013619Well to be fair, a retcon is involved in its existence even if the fallen hero timeline itself is just an attempt to make that retcon make sense.
>>741013752Kind of amazing how people miss this. The devs already thought of it way back then.
I just drop this here>I wanted to first ask about the scenario for Ocarina of Time. Before it was released, Nintendo announced that this new N64 Zelda would "unlock the mysteries of the entire Zelda story". Could you tell us about that in your own words?>Miyamoto: Maybe "mysteries" was a bit of an exaggeration, but you do learn the story of where the triforce came from, and it is meant to be "Episode 1" of the Zelda saga. The basic order is Ocarina, then the original FDS Zelda, followed by A Link to the Past.>Right. You're a little looser with all the story connections, in other words.>Miyamoto: For that reason I've often been accused of not caring about the story, but when I consider the medium of video games, above intra-series continuity it's far more important to me that the player is left with a satisfying "aftertaste" once the experience is over.Ocarina of Time – 1999 Developer InterviewThis in-depth Ocarina of Time interview first appeared in a Japanese strategy guide. The interviewer's strong opinions are a good match for producer Shigeru Miyamoto's big-picture pontifications about Ocarina's design choices and gameplay changes, plus a lengthy exegesis on interactivity in 3D games. Though much ink has been spilled over Ocarina, this interview manages to dig up some brand new info.
>>741013829Wrong. Every Zelda game for like 20 years was made with a clear cut and intended place to sit either relative another game or relative the whole series. They start to explain the repeating bits like why there's always a princess named Zelda all the way back in Zelda 2 for fuck's sake.
>>741013965>Every Zelda game for like 20 years was made with a clear cut and intended place to sit >>741012036
>>741013965Yeah, the reason everyone suddenly looks like a cartoon character in WW is... Uhm... They just went through a cartoon phase for a couple of years... Yeah, this is still the same world as TP
>>741013948>The basic order is Ocarina, then the original FDS Zelda, followed by A Link to the Past.Hmm, so everyone who says alttp is before zelda1 is objectively wrong? Interesting.
>>741009860>their placement is just hidden.Truly a bigger riddle than all shrines in BotW and TotK combined
>>741014150The reason everyone has a cartoon art style is because the game has a cartoon art style. It follows the events of OoT's adult timeline.
Historia is out of date and is retconned by both the official website and the Encyclopedia.SS > TMC > FS > OoTthen>TWW > PH > STand >MM > TP > FSAand>ALttP > LA > Oracles [ ALBW > TFH > EoW > LoZ > AoLSwitch Zelda is effectively a reboot and its own thing.
>>741014063Yes? Aonuma deciding he didn't like where a previous game sat and retconning it with his newer game is an exception, one widely regarded as a mistake.
>>741014259Or Miyamoto's self admitted bias against story made him more prone to misspeak when asked about the story.
>>741014438It's their diet isn't it. A diet heavy in seafood made everyone look like cartoon characters. That's why they don't look like that in OoT. This timeline is so well thought out.
New game in TP timeline fucking when?
>>741014515>and retconning it with his newer game is an exceptionAnd Link's hat in Skyward sword?
>>741014515>my niche opinions are widely accepted
Friendly reminder that Tears of the Kingdom is effectively a soft reboot of Breath of the Wild, with most of the inconsistencies only being addressed by outside interviews and not being found in the game at all. So it's basically outside of the timeline of a game that's in an unclear place in the timeline. I'm pretty sure Nintendo's just trolling y'all niggas at this point.
>>741014641>the timeline has to account for art style changes or it's SILLY!!!!What is your point exactly?
BOTW and TOTK are not actually a timeline but a comatose dream gaiden side quest when Link was frozen in Temple of Time (OoT) because nothing inside of them are originals. For example the music. If it's an official timeline, the music should be new and memorable, not a bunch of musical notes with familiar sound tribute from the past games.
>>741014689Minish Cap retains its place on the timeline relative the rest of the Zelda franchise regardless of Link's hat.ALttP and OoT having the connection between them retconned by WW was a one-of-a-kind event within Zelda's canon.
Though the website spills out the "official timeline," I have personal disagreements with it. Though I hate the downtime timeline concept, I keep it in my own headcanon. In fact, my personal explanation is that there are four timelines, with SS having it's own split following the ending in each area.>SS is first, and follows off from two places:>The main ending, where the Imprisoned is destroyed by the Sky Keep/Triforce.>So we get SS > TMC > OoT (yes, no FS).>Then there's the adult timeline: SS > TMC > OoT > TWW/PH > ST>Then there's the child timeline: SS > TMC > OoT/MM > TP > FS/FSA>I believe FSA is meant to be a direct sequel. It's one of the few games that blatantly mentions "Link" in it's backstory (and not "a hero") and Link/Zelda seem to know what will happen if he draws the Four Sword>Then there's the Downfall timeline, which I have no beef with: SS > TMC > OoT > ALttP/LA > OoS/A > ALBW/TFH > EoW > LoZ/AoL>Then we go back to SS, and we follow the time peroid where Demise is destroyed by Link, and not destroyed as The Imprisoned>Since this timeline lacks Link, Zelda and the Triforce, the Hyrule's founding goes quite different>This leads into TotK/AoI's backstory for Hyrule, and also explains why the Triforce isn't really known-of, why the Master Sword sucks (different weapon that isn't forged by the Hero of the Skies), and why Hylia-reverence is still commonplace>Thus, we get SS > Switch ZeldaThere's also a ton of implied events between Demise's defeat and the arrival of the Zonia. Many more "Ganon events" that are not games.
>>741014773Nintendo seems to have started resenting the timeline pretty much the moment they decided to officially release one. The grass is always greener on the other side I guess.
>>741011383>Still bizarre that there zero worship sites for this Omni-important GodYeah, if only there was some sort of "temple" of, I dunno, "time"
>Offishul Zelda timelineYou all know goddamn well it doesn't mean shit, why do you still bother? I am going to laugh so hard when they try (and fail) at retconning whatever "split timeline" possibility is left at the end of nuOcarina just so they don't have to entertain you fags anymore.
>>741015062There's decades of franchise history from when they still had the general idea of making a timeline and didn't hate it.They'd be absolute fucking idiots to try and retcon OoT's timeline split further than they already have. It's all established already, what's the point of trying to tear it all down when the work is already done and it doesn't harm anyone's experience of the games? Just spite? A desire to make the situation between BotW and TotK the "standard"?
>>741015187>It's all established already, what's the point of trying to tear it all down when the work is already done and it doesn't harm anyone's experience of the games? Just spite?Slowly they began to hate....you. Imagine having millions of OoT hypercritical oldfag anchor fans who don't by your product and talk shit about your company constantly? You would make games to dump them and get a new fanbase ASAP.
>>741014823I just think it's cool that there's a period in this completely planned out timeline where everyone looks like they came out of Tex Avery. Comparing Zelda to Final Fantasy is just so wrong.
>>741004275Echoes makes the other timelines funny now since in those Satan is still chilling under the universe
>>741015359So yeah, spite towards people who liked when they were consistent and are thus able to call them out on being inconsistent. Cool.Unfortunately they're going to have to wait for the generations of people who played their prior output to completely die out before people forget that they used to be decent.
>>741015407The art style isn't related to the timeline at all. The way the games look has changed every game or two since the beginning. The canon has existed since the beginning. An art style change doesn't harm "canon".
>>741008186>>741009089>>easiest explanation is that somehow three different dimensions mergedI actually agree with anon that this is what happened and is caused by Zeldas time travel shenanigans in TotK
>>741015407>completely planned out timeline... what? I'm sorry, do you think the people arguing for the timeline are saying that it was planned in advance? God no. It was made ad hoc with each game. It just didn't make a habit of contradicting itself until BotW.
>>741015456Is that the owner of the kiwi farms
>>741015471Yeah unfortunately they're going to keep being inconsistent and shady (which means filtering all those little super stars who went out of their way for decades making youtube videos criticizing their company). >Unfortunately they're going to have to wait for the generations of people who played their prior output to completely die outThey've reached the ungroomable twink death age so now no one one but other oldfag former twinks care about what they think. Plus these oldfags are so mentally ill they will STILL rent free advertise for nintendo like they have an advance form of Stockholm syndrome.
>>741014593They said in an interview they have a master document of the timeline and only the director, Shigeru, and Aonuma have access to it.
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>>741015456They could do a lot more with Null.It's basically the driving force behind everything, Hyrule, the Triforce, the reincarnations, possibly the timelines themselves if expanded on.It was weird to introduce something that huge to the series lore in what was essentially an experimental spinoff. I hope we see Null again, and they do something bigger with it.
>>741016006>Somewhere in the depths of a concrete bunker in Kyoto lies the real legend of Zelda, a tale that tells the story of Hyrule, the triforce and both of their retconning.
>>741016109My pet theory is that Null emerges from the void in a split timeline, whereby the timeline is removed from the past before the split, resulting in there being no past, and that's how Null comes about as there's a necessitating evil due to the curse but there's no Demise nor Ganon, or even maybe a Vaati in that timeline.
>>741016072Oh, very similar. I don't hate it either.
>>741015969>nintendo is getting worse because you were mean to them on youtube!Corporate apologia is so silly.>no one cares about people who like old Nintendo!!! You're DYING!!!!!Are you flat out a nutendo shill? Do you think Nintendo was shit until the Switch or something??
>>741016278Nah, Null is primordial chaos evil. He just always was and always will be and represents the "missing" triangle in the Triforce, which is surrounded by (contained) by the other three
>>741012731No, TotK integrated them into the story by being left behind by the Great Bandit Misko, and many NPCs venture out in search of Misko's treasures all across the land.
>>741010634So no source to back up that claim
>>741016406>Null is primordial chaos evil. He just always was and always will beand my pet theory explains that, he emerges from a void of there being no past in history
>>741004128>>741004275>A Link Between Worlds and Echoes of Wisdom are between Alttp and LoZ.Yes, this is where they sit on the downfall timeline per Nintendo's Zelda site.
>>741016406I think the other anon agrees and is saying that for this very reason, you only get to see Null directly if the "logical" reason for evil is removed.
>>741004128They fit in taking a rope and killing yourself, fat retarded pedophile
>>741016617no need to sign your posts
>>741004128Imprisoning war?
>>741016405>nintendo is getting worse because you were mean to them on youtube!They've getting worse because people like you pay them to be.>Do you think Nintendo was shitIs still shit, yes
>>741016407And did it explain why one random bandit had access to all of history, all of space and time even if his acquisition of Majora's Mask is to be taken literally?
>>741016723Secret stones.
>>741016758I haven't bought a Nintendo product in years.They weren't always shit.
>>741016551>Link's Awakening before the Oracle gamesGod damn do I hate this change, because it makes perfect sense to put Link's Awakening after them. In the Oracle games Link is already the established hero who saved Hyrule, and in the intros is sent to Labyrinna/Holodrum by the Triforce itself. This harkens back to ALttP, where Link spoke with the Triforce directly. And during the game he has to face a resurrected Ganon, which hints that it's the same Ganon he slew in ALttP. Then by the end he sets sail away from the lands, which ties perfectly to the opening of Link's Awakening, which has Link struggle to keep his boat afloat at sea during a storm, before it gets struck by lightning and he washes ashore on Koholint Island.The sequence of events makes sense. So then why officially put Link's Awakening BEFORE the Oracle games???
>>741016932Is this thing saying that nuzelda is a reboot or something
>>741014593This. I remember reading once somewhere that he viewed Zelda the same way he does with Mario.Just a recurring cast of actors playing a different role each time.
>>741016940>So then why officially put Link's Awakening BEFORE the Oracle games???Because Link and Zelda don't know each other in Oracle so it can't be the ALttP versions.
>>741017274Because that's what it is.
>>741016940It's because the autists at Nintendo wanted Link to be the ALTTP one, but he couldn't be if he was the Oracle Link.Capcom clearly wanted LA to directly follow their games though. And honestly, if you want to put it there it would be perfectly valid.
>>741006494So they could sell this book to retards.
>>741017083No, they just haven't officially revealed their positions, intentionally. They want to "leave it a mystery" for players to speculate about. All they've said is that they're at the end of one of the timelines, and they are some time after OOT.
>>741004128All of them, it's a Turn-A Situation, All Roads lead to BotW.
>>741017335... in Miyamoto's head and nowhere else. The actual series has a timeline.
>>741017792He only invented the series
>>741017083At most it's a soft reboot. BotW still heavily references OoT and to a lesser extent SS. But then TotK may or may not have retconned ALttP.
>>741017834He's also responsible for many of its lowest moments like WW's dungeons all being piss easy after MM proved Aonuma capable of making better ones, and TP's tutorial lasting forever. I don't take his opinions on how Zelda is or should be very seriously and you shouldn't either.
>>741017083I think they mean its been so long (werent like 10000 years?) that nobody knows when it takes place
>>741017274This is right up there with Miyamoto's "try not to cum" quote. It doesn't exist. Completely made up. He never said it.Actually, Miyamoto has consistently been the one making sure the Zelda devs keep the timeline in mind. That's been stated in pretty much every single timeline-related interview where he's mentioned.
>>741017997Yeah well that's just like your opinion
>>741017997Miyamoto literally hated Wind Waker though According to Aonuma), and likely sabotaged its development.
>>741018071Your opinion is in defiance of what several games at random points throughout franchise history have shown and stated and mine is only in defiance of the latest couple games developed after Nintendo lost their taste for the timeline.
>>741011383>Still bizarre that there zero worship sites for this Omni-important God until it was story relevant.Like the others I gathered the Temple of Time was dedicated to Hylia too. A bigger question would be why are there few worship sites at all, much less for the Golden Goddesses, who are far more prominent in Hyrule's past than the lesser goddess Hylia is.But by TotK the theology is just all sorts of fucked. Things were pretty consistent in BotW, it's implied that Link was speaking to Hylia through the Goddess Statues when requesting assistance. Zelda tried too, but her own very limited spirituality caused her to never form that connection she needed, and so the guidance she prayed for never came. It's part of her characterization in the game, and by the end of it she loses her spiritual connection once more, with her powers alongside it. Which she's fine with.But then in TotK the Bargainer Statues speak through the Goddess Statues, implying that Link wasn't ever speaking to Hylia, he was making deals with the statues placed underground. And then the shrine statues comment on the fallen statue in the Forgotten Temple, as if a broken statue means anything, they're just meant to be icons of worship. But those statues then send their power to repair the Mother Goddess Statue??? So who the fuck are the statues then, if we never communicate with Hylia through them???
>>741018120Aonuma has shown he's unable to take the blame for... fucking anything, really.He tries to blame OoT and its "formula" for the failure of every attempt he made to recapture it rather than accepting that he doesn't understand OoT and can't recapture what people want out of it.
>>741008204>it directly connectsNo one gives a shit. It "directly" connects it so shallowly you can completely ignore it.
>>741018637It directly connects. It's important to the plot even. Sorry that you're an illiterate retard.
This question has been answered with BOTW takes place after everything
>>741018260Also BotW has a distinct sense of "magic is an ancient, lost art" in its storytelling. Calamity Ganon's Malice is unfathomable and practically cancerous, and the other sources of magic (Zelda's power, the Master Sword, elemental arrows) are all ancient magic that's barely understood anymore, and much has been replaced with technology. The Shiekah monk mummies yield their souls upon completion of their shrines, passing on afterwards, and new Guardian tech is developed by industry leaders Purah and Robbie. Even the Shiekah Slate, Link's main source of magic, is technological in nature.But then in TotK Zelda wields multiple sources of magic, every tribe has elemental powers, Link wields Zonai magic, everything's totally fucked from the precise theming it had before. It sucks.
>>741004128All timeliness converge into BotW/TotKYes it is that stupid
>>741018120lol Shigeru didn't sabotage Wind Waker, it's just a bad game
>>741019265They have never said this.
>>741018120Miyamoto rightfully told Aonuma that the aesthetic for Wind Waker was all wrong, and that people would react negatively to it, which they did. He tried to make a cutesy Sanrio/Crayon Shin-Chan/Doraemon-esque Zelda when the cornerstones of Zelda had up to that point been.>The works of J.R.R. Tolkien>Peter Pan>Dungeons & Dragons>80's and 90's adventure anime/manga>A bit of David Lynch for flavorHe then spent over a decade trying to force that style as the series standard where he could.Not even trying to knock those games here, but Aonuma is absolutely a stubborn fuck. And if Wind Waker was supposedly sabotaged by Miyamoto, why the fuck did he keep letting Aonuma push out games using that aesthetic?
>>741019320If its development wasn't rushed (Miyamoto's choice) then there would have been more dungeons and probably no Triforce hunt.Not saying the dungeons it cut wouldn't be also piss easy, but more dungeon content and less of the boring sea chart shit would objectively make it better.
>>741020040Retard, all Zelda games are rushed. It comes from higher up. Oot has the most cut content in the franchise. Wind Waker just fucking sucks.
>>741020010>>741020040>RAT IS DISSU TOON SHITTU? RIND RAKURU IS CRINGU! I THOUGHT U DO MAJORAS MASKU AGAIN AND FORROW IN MY FOOTSTEP!
>>741020163Honestly this is the biggest thing I hope they do for the OOT remake. Restore its 64DD vision. We know it was ambitious as fuck, and had to be cut for the N64 cartridge due to its failure. The Gigaleak gave us a taste of some of it. Maps were huge and would suit a more modern open world format well.Of course they won't do that. We can't upset the autistic N64 purists that will have a meltdown if their precious N64 maps or gameplay are even slightly altered.
>>741020370I honestly can't see them doing the same limited tiny zones like 64 or 3D, I fully expect semi-open world and more dungeons like the cut Ice dungeon( OG Water temple) and the Temple of Light.
>>741020010>the cornerstones of Zelda had up to that point beenWhere does Legend fall into this? That 80s movie that was almost certainly the reason Kokiri Forest is full of floating golden particles?
>>741020370>We can't upset the autistic N64 purists that will have a meltdown if their precious N64 maps or gameplay are even slightly altered.What the fuck are you talking about? Is this a real group of people or are you conflating people rightfully saying TP or BotW is worse than OoT with "N64 purism"?
>>741020370>We can't upset the autistic N64 purists that will have a meltdown if their precious N64 maps or gameplay are even slightly altered.We already know they're altering the plot somewhat. Link already has the triforce of courage at the start before the door of time was opened.
>>741020370>Of course they won't do that. We can't upset the autistic N64 purists that will have a meltdown if their precious N64 maps or gameplay are even slightly altered.Desu the general consensus I've seen online is that people want the game to be a substantial remake because there's not much point in remaking it otherwise. Want to play the original? It's available on multiple platforms and can be pirated easily. Want to play a version was upgraded graphics of QoL? The 3DS remaster. Want to play a version that you can play natively on your computer with mods that add in those features selectively? Ship of Harkinian. There's literally no point in remaking the game at this point if it's just going to be exactly the same as the original with even more updated graphics, that'd be the worst outcome.
>>741019402Cope, faggot, I scrolled down each timeline on that initial website they shat out before they thought to damage control and change it. Every one defaults to Breath of the Wild.>((They)) never -said- this((They)) will never -say- anything because they just want you to buy the garbage bing bing wahoo product.
>>741021430I think he is conflating the people who dislike the 3DS changes, whicgh is usually more a MM thing then a OoT thing because MM 3DS had had much more aggressive changes (Like the Bosses, etcetera, you heard the laundry list before).Unless they are DISHONEST like FF7 remake i doubt OoTfags will be that bad about it.
>>741004128A Link Between Worlds and Tri-Force Heroes are a time jump sometime after Link's Awakening. Echoes of Wisdom is another time jump after that, then one more time jump to the NES games.BoTW and ToTK are commonly said to be at the end, but no idea how they connect to the previous games or timelines.
>>741019265The timeline in HH and even the revised one in Encyclopedia plainly state otherwise. These two games are on their own.BOTW at least references the old games out of respect and treat it as a bygone era. TOTK outright rejects it all and rewrites history.
>>741021646>b-b-but the javascript on the website shows BotW when you scroll down!!And I'm the one coping?>((They)) will never -say- anythinghttps://www.eurogamer.net/eiji-aonuma-explains-why-zelda-breath-of-the-wilds-timeline-placing-must-remain-secret>"In books like the recently released The Legend of Zelda Encyclopedia, we revealed where each Zelda game fell on a timeline and how their stories related, but we didn't do that for Breath of the Wild. There is a reason for that. With this game, we saw just how many players were playing in their own way and had those reactions I just mentioned.>"We realised that people were enjoying imagining the story that emerged from the fragmentary imagery we were providing. If we defined a restricted timeline, then there would be a definitive story, and it would eliminate the room for imagination, which wouldn't be as fun.>"We want players to be able to continue having fun imagining this world even after they are finished with the game, so, this time, we decided that we would avoid making clarifications. I hope that everyone can find their own answer, in their own way."They have been clear. They will not tell us in this specific case. That's why it is listed separately on the websites. The web designers were not given super secret information.
>>741021879>TOTK outright rejects it all and rewrites history.Not true. TotK references OOT as well. The history shown in TotK all takes place long after all the other games, after the previous Hyrule is gone, with a new one being founded.
>>741021646>Defaults toBreath of the Wild isn't linked to any of the three, or all three for that matter.It's simply established in a far future. Claiming it's therefore set in any or all timelines due to it being set in this undefined far future is simply unfounded. It's like saying Hyrule Warriors DE is set in all timelines too since it also happens in an undefined point in time and even displaces events and characters from other games, thus it's happening everywhere and nowhere in the timeline.
>>741021607That's the problem with remakes in general; half the audience will be complaining about its lack of modern sensibilities, and the other half will be complaining that it's not exactly like how they remember it.The Star Fox remake is kind of in the same boat, but at least we know from the previews and such that they are putting some changes in the story.
Aonuma has been a disaster for zelda
>>741016109Null did nothing wrong.
>>741022564Miyamoto is the disaster, he fucked up back then when he told everyone to shut up and listen as he shat out Adventure of Link.And even later on he keeps cockblocking the series. Aonuma is merely sperging back to overcorrect the senile old man.
>>741021879>>741022386Incredible copes. I'm sorry your autism causes you to put too much thought into these baby adventure games where the story is a 2nd thought.
>>741022797And in what way was Aonuma retconning OoT into being a prequel to the first Zelda game that was really "his" counter-sperging? It just feels like an ego trip.
>>741023152>It's tied because I said so>"Here is proof it's not, there are no sources to your claim">Whooaaaa lots of coping and overthinking here!
>>741022564Koizumi should have been given Zelda.
>>741023903Yes
>>741023903Xenoblade devs worked in the gameplay aspect while staying incognito so Aonuma got all the credit.Imagine if they had access to the story as well. We could have something way better than goatfuckers, with big tiddy anime on the side as well.TotK TikTok autists already build mechs anyway so they wouldn't feel jarring in this setting anymore.
>>741020010It was based on 60s Toei animation movies that the guy who did the Mario 3 character designs worked on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zqmZZ0pYag
>>741021431That's just the "Destined Wielder" mark from Zelda 2
>>741012825Yeah the same Ganon that could have been resurrected merely from the blood of Link after Zelda 1, yes, the same Ganon that was already established to be able to come back under certain circumstances. ALTTP was always Zelda 1's prequel
>>741012895>OoT was made to have its ending connect to ALttP's and Aonuma made it connect to WW insteadOoT never connected to the classic games like that. It was meant to, in development, but the final product never fit, OoT ends with an ending where Link comes back and prevents Ganondorf from touching the Triforce and an ending where Ganondorf (not Ganon, Ganodorf) is sealed in the sacred realm with the Triforce of Power. ALttP's story of Ganondorf possessing the full Triforce, turning into Ganon and being sealed as a pig with the full Triforce never happened.
>>741012982>there was ANOTHER ganonThere wasn't.
>>741014773>reminder the sequel is a soft reboot because... because my feeble mind can't comprehend the story okay?
>>741026106Calamity Ganon was actually a massive shit GanonDILF took while sealed away. Malice and Gloom are actually stanky Ganondookie. And how many times did you get it all over you?
>>741015706>closed time loop somehow fuses completely different timelinesThat makes zero sense
>>741026332>Midwits can't get this story. Only the best galaxy brains can see the genius behind itSounds like failed writing to me, not a product to be sold to millions, just to a dozen enlightened few.
>>741026474Having played Age of Calamity and getting bored of all the grinding eventually led me to associate malice with poop and suddenly everything made sense, it really was a sewage dam about to burst.
>>741016940>Link is already the established hero who saved HyruleFalse>hints that it's the same Ganon he slew in ALttPCompletely retarded and baseless, with that logic all Links who fought Ganon are the hero of time.>Then by the end he sets sail away from the lands, which ties perfectly to the opening of Link's AwakeningIt doesn't. It's not even the same boat.>The sequence of events makes senseIt doesn't. Oracles Link and Zelda don't know each other so they can't be the ones from ALttP.>why officially put Link's Awakening BEFORE the Oracle games???For all the reasons listed here. Because you are a fucking retard
>>741026683How many times did you wade through the Ganondookie, anon? How many times?
>>741013829See >>741011468 and stream your suicide
>>741026567>being so stupid you think I'm calling myself and others genius, rather than just pointing out you are a fucking retard who doesn't get what everyone else does
>>741013619It isn't? How?
>>741026863It corrupts because it stinks so bad. The guardians got retarded from the smell and turned evil.Link doesn't become evil because he is the prophecy's janitor of the wild, he is used to wiping Hinox rumps and collect their boulders of turd. He may end up dying but Zelda wakes him up "Link LINK don't give up, you still got clogged pipes to clean".
>>741021431It's the mark of the hero/ not the possession of a triforce.
>>741026474Jessie what the fuck are you talking about
Zelda also got the mark shining in her hand in BOTW despite spending the whole plot in her pilgrimage trying to awaken her triforce of wisdom unsuccessfully, it's just the mark not the actual triforce.
>>741027428Daddydorf literally shat all over Hyrule. Remember that time you just said "screw it" and walked right through the Malice because you couldn't be bothered to make a Magnesis bridge? YOU WERE WALKING THROUGH POOPOO!
That howling swine floating over the castle is just a representation of Ganondorf's suffering as he uncontrollably dumped his daily diarrhea while seating in his toilet-throne deep under the castle's ruins.Look at the toxic clouds looming in the horizon, look at the dead vegetation in the castle grounds, even the soil is stale and grayed.
He is found all shriveled up like a mummy because diarrhea causes dehydration
Calamity's huge empty boss chamber being located directly under the sanctum's throne room down a miles-long vertical shaft means it is a literal septic tank.
>>741028150>>741028228>>741028412Another of Ganondorf's turds found its way into another world entirely.
>>741020010Reminder that miyamoto was always the good guy and cared about the timeline. Aonuma ruined the chronology by making WW and claiming that it takes place in the world where link disappears from when the intention was always that the adult timeline would lead to ALttP. WW makes more sense as the world where link was killed and the world but Aonuma is retardedhttps://shmuplations.com/ocarinaoftime/
The architecture of Hyrule Castle being built on an island surrounded by water in an elevated plot of land with a flat terrain in front of the place makes it a literal toilet. Just look at the structure.The waterfalls around it, the mines and the prison's hydraulics system help show how it was designed as a huge sewage mechanism and water treatment so it could become healthy for consumption downstream into Castle Town.King Rhoam definitely got to be related to Mario somehow. He got amazing plumbing skills.
>>741026702>>Link is already the established hero who saved Hyrule>False???, what about A Link to the Past?
>>741004128They explicitly don't. Nintendo said fuck it and made it its own thing. "10,000 billion whatever years in the future, stop thinking about it."They basically gave up, which is good because connecting something like Tears to Majora is retarded and doesn't work and hurts Majora with ass furry lore.
>>741007602there's actually like 3 timelines created in SS and one of them is completely void of link, zelda and demise iiirc
