What is the cause of this phenomenon?`
what did steam even do? jack up the price of a years old piece of hardware no one was buying anymore with the explicit goal of subsidizing the new one?
>>741030712Swap Nintendo and Steam and it's accurate
>>741030712Nintendo delusionalismAlso known as the "this is revenge" phenomenon
>delusional tendie edits a memecringe as usual
>>741030712you are adopted
from a consumer perspective (the only perspective that matters to people with an actual soul) steam is the only one that survives (until Gabe dies, after that nobody knows), I mean it has competitive prices, well established services and a storefront, and I say this as a console player myselffrom a business perspective it depends, ultimately all four keep shooting themselves in the dick but I would argue that the order (worst to best) is the followingxbox > sony > nintendo > steam
>>741030712name 1 good Nintendo game that came out in the past 3 years
>>741030927At worst Valve's hardware is a bit expensive with low production runs yeah. Otherwise they're a mainly a storefront that puts out massive discounts frequently.
>>741030927They also are under scrutiny of being a monopoly (even though they aren't) and Tim still wants to be able to sell his games on Steam without Steam taking a cut.
>>741030712did you draw that?
>>741030927Upset the feelings of tendies
>>741030712Tendies are fucking hilarious how retarded they can be sometimes
>>741032048>made the mistake of confronting and winning against an infamous copyright troll>now constantly bombarded by lawyers from across the globeI am noticing
>>741031713Very accurate post.
>>741031727BASED KEK
>>741031089It's the equal of the left can't meme KEEK
>>741030712Hey OP remember when you got blown the fuck out a little while ago? That was pretty funny
>>741030927They humilliated some top kikes in court
>>741030712Delusions? Usually mental illness.
>>741031727Saved
>>741030712not normally a console war fag but you can tell a die hard nintendie made this
>>741030927>jack up the price of a years old piece of hardwareThat counts as shooting yourself in the face for console makers so it must count for Steam.
>>741031727this is going to get a lot of good use kek
>>741030712Tendieism needs to be studied.
>>741033654What is this mental illness of inventing a personality and backstory to random anons?I visit /v/ maybe once a month and I've been called like 4 diferent names and blamed for different events I didn't even know happened. Time to seek therapy, anon.
>>741031727LMAO
>>741033654Samefagging like that is despicable. Kill yourself.
>>741030712tendies have very low IQ
>>741038371NTA but kill yourself, OP.
>>741030712Tendies being retards.
>>741030712It's called "everything is fucking expensive because retards want to build a digital god that will still recommend you using glue in your cake"
>>741030927>explicit goal of subsidizing the new one?Kek this steamie thinks the steam brick is gonna be anything less than 1.5k
>>741030927Made tendies cry>>741030712Steam won, switch lost
>>741038481>absolutely no chance 40+ people hate nin10yearolds, they must all be one personYou've got it all figured out.
>>741031727
>>741038764Those timestamps were all a minute apart, you cockmongler.
>>741031727Nice
>>741031915... that abandoned TF2.and abandoned Half-Life.and abandoned L4D.and abandoned Portal.
>>741030712jesus being a false god who rapes kids along with all other gods there is no omnipotenfe
>>741031713steam is the best option but you dont own your gamesvalve does good things but they started alot of bad trendsif i dont install linux at some point win 8 steam doesnt work fuck that lol
>>741030927lol they fucked up cuz its too expensiveif the 2nd one is cheap theyll get the rep backsame with steam machine
>>741039016half life yeah portal yeahleft 4 dead 2 and tf2 are likemore popular than when they came out lol
>>741039216Nah, not really.People can install demons in your subconscious. they're not real, they're in your head, but you're also in your head, and these demons run on what your subconscious believe, not your conscious, so you get fucked by em.Jesus is one of these, but it's a mind demon designed to save you from the actually malicious mind demons.If you have faith, or more importantly, if your subconscious mind have faith, you get protected from demons.Then you stop buying apple products.
>>741041601Which Jesus? The one that the church claims will punish you if you don't love him or give money to the church or the one that came here to teach how to reach christ consciousness.
>>741043094I imagine that as long the bible you're reading is precise enough, it will get to the subconscious and protect you.
>>741038713Got a laugh out of me
>>741039016i would take never getting a valve game again if it means they completely obsolete windows with their work on linux
>>741039016TF2 yes, the other series just exist. Not getting a sequel doesn't mean they were "abandoned", they just didn't get a sequel.
>>741030927Steam deck debacle
>>741030927If $300 price increase for old hardware isn't shooting yourself in the face, then I have no idea what could qualify as such.
>>741044048that hardware is completely optional and has never compared in terms of value when it comes to desktops
>>741044126>that hardware is completely optionalVideo games as a whole are "completely optional".
>>741044193if you're concerned about value you're not getting a steam deckor any console for that matter
>>7410317272026 is a bad year for Nintendo.
>>741030927Basically. Tendies are trying to act like the deck's price hike has any real bearing on steam and is anywhere near as bad as shit consoles do on the regular. Valve's fuckup was simply not predicting AI hoovering up components and everything else going on in the world while consoles already had long term contracts and stock in place due to their normal business model. It'll be real interesting watching anyone try to sign new contracts and launch new hardware in these times.
>>741030712kiketando didn't even have any games at their last direct.Tehy haven't released a single worthwhile game on the shitch 2. the company is just done.
>>741030927Nothing. Tendies just need to pretend their shitty box with no games actually has any merit.
>$80 games'tendo is blasting their face off too
>>741043554Doubt it, listening to the lies will twist the concept.
You tell me
>>741045149Nintendo only wins when people don't fight back, kek.
>>741045067Yes, hence "precise enough", if it's another person reading for you and twisting it the hell and back, it might not work.But i imagine the trick is just to convince your subconscious that christ is there, and christ protect you from the demons and create a working model.Of course, if the model is corrupted, the mind christ may do other things.
>>741030927they stopped production of steamcards
>>741045149Yay my country mentioned.This case was extremely retarded even by kiketendo standards. It's extremely common to name supermarkets here as "Super[market] + (name of the owner)"So this "Super Mario" was more like "Supermarket of Mario Gonzalez" than trying to plagarize the fat italian plumber.
>>741030927>with the explicit goal of subsidizing the new one?AHAHAHA
>>741046373go back third world nigger trash and your turd world facebook memes
>>741031727Nice.
>>741046443Cope and seethe timmycel
>fagtendo just has more ports, demasters and censored literal faggot shit announced in the new directFeel even less inclined to buy a Switch 2 than ever.Gonna have fun laughing when OoTR releases and has the same soulless UI as everything else has been mandated to, since the Switch. I looooooove modern web design UI in games :)
>>741045954>get in the wrong church>they install the McAfee christ
>>741031727I really think nintendo are the jeets of gaming. Their fan base is on par with their odiousness
>>741030927>>741044594Also Nintendo fans have this weird delusion that the Steam Deck is a failure because it didn't move as many units as the Switch despite the fact it's not trying to directly trying to compete.
>>741030712>Even their memes are ports
>>741046656>using jeet memesnta, why lower yourself to such a level
>>741048626Frankly anyone who makes a brand a major part of their identity is mentally ill
>>741038713SEGA SURGE
>>741031727got his ass
Tendies need a containment board at this rate.
>>741047575>brains are like computersWorship AI
>>741030927You forgot constantly banning JP games for no reason.Also the recent removal of physical gift cards.Also constantly buying yacht fleets instead of making games.
>>741046373anyone shitting on nintendo is based in my book
>>741030927Valve literally donated to openAI lol.
>>741048626They think it's a console without actually understanding what a console is or what the console business model is. A lot of it is also just disingenuous, desperate grasping at literally anything to fling their shit around on the internet. It's why tendies are so obsessed with sales in particular; it's all they got.
>>741032048Tencent Timmy is so retarded that he'd rather make zero than 70% of 50,000,000, I don't understand the mindset
>>741049196AI works more like a brain, but shitty because it can't learn in realtime.Not worshiping brain but worse.
>>741031727LOL
>>741050323Because 30% is evil unless you're one of console companies
>>741031727deranged tendies will claim this was actually all part of the plan and is actually a victory
>>741038764Nigger you ain't fooling no-one.We have seen 1 person post over 300 times in a thread just because they could, and they got deleted instantaniously at the same time when the thread hit 890+ posts.You're not smart or slick faggot.
>>741031727the 41% suddenly spiked to 42%
>>741031727They really started a legal crusade against this guy and silently giga lost, they haven't said a word out of pure shame KEK
>>741031727Actually looking into that gamesfray article didn't Nintendo get what they wanted anyway?Palworld changed the 'infringing' content and then paid the 5 million Yen which they originally asked for.That's it.
>>741051963>Palworld changed the 'infringing' contentit's called covering your ass, you lay low regardless of whether you think you'll win or not
>>741052048>it's called covering your assNo, it's called complying with demands so they actually go easier on you instead of going giga autistic mode.
>>741051963Didn't they put the ball throwing animation back in the game?
>>741050451If valve doesn't want the scrutiny of console platform standards, why are they enjoying the benefits?They don't even do anything about the literal malware games anymore.
>>741047478>Feel even less inclined to buy a Switch 2 than ever.You was never interested in one to begin with retard.Just go back to pirating Switch 1 games.
>>741052145
>>741052213but they provide more to their customers despite taking a lower cut>They don't even do anything about the literal malware games anymore.they ban them when they crop up?what the fuck do you want them to do?
>>741052209no lol
>>741052278>they ban them when they crop up?thats the problem, they dont anymore
>>741052213No matter what they do Tim would still cry about Valve
>>741052209I don't think they did.If people really care enough they can have mods do it for them.Provided they don't do the stupid thing and advertise it out loud of Twitter like some morons.>>741052145Yeah I don't buy this, I see this shit get posted in complerely unrelated threads.You can fuck off with whatever falseflagging you're doing.
>>741052357>thats the problem, they dont anymorehttps://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/steam-horror-game-malwareless than a month ago
>>741030927They made trannies seethe
>>741052467Wait until you hear about tendies
>>741030927>with the explicit goal of subsidizing the new one?AHAHAHAHAHAHAsteamcucks
>>741052338
Why tendies hate valve so much?
>>741052519Fuck you I've seen this shit pop up on Touhou and Yumi Nikki threads, piss off faggot.
>>741052617>snoys defend Valvecome again?
>>741052534Because if you play on Steam then you'll never have any need to consoom a nintendie console.
Nintendo hasn't been an acceptable console since gamecube. it lost all 3p relevance and it zapped their games with the kiddy ray to appeal to their current demographic: children. toddlers. babies. they are the progenitor of everything cancerous in video games. litigious snuffing out of creativity, extreme price jumps of games and accessories, ultra tutorial dumbed down games for children, and open world.perhaps i am too harsh. my friends are adults so i simply don't know anyone who interacts with nintendo. i don't know where these people even exist (middle schools? mall food courts?) nintendo fans past the age of 14 i can only assume the type that "must have" the newest apple products and has 3 a24s in his top 5.
>>741052278>but they provide more to their customers Like what?>No dedicated servers, everything has to be p2p.>No dev support because anyone that knows how to code at valve already left.>No publishing support or moneyhatting devs.>No advertising for low budget games that need it.>In fact, the algorithm loves to bury hidden gems while shoving FOTM popular trash on your face.Steam does fuck all aside from hosting the game files and hosting mods on their mod DRM platform.The algorithm and game tags in particular is so bad you are literally better off browsing pirate sites to find hidden gems, even if you actually want to buy stuff.>despite taking a lower cutThey are taking the same cut console platforms do.
>>741052534>Why tendies hate valve so much?Kek I knew it was you brown esl faggots who hate nintendo so much. You can't afford an extra console.
>>741052694You know what, have fun with your delusions schizo.I'm gonna go play some vidya.
>>741052459One down.Now deal with the other several thousands of them.
>>741031727fpbp
>>741052716>No dedicated serversBut no one else does either?
>>741052763then find them?do you think that's a common occurrence?you do know that in order to infect someone through a steam game you're leaving a digital trail?it's a very retarded and obvious crime since you're leaving undeniable fucking evidence if you do it
Lmao tendies are melting
>>741052753such a tendie post lmao
>>741052938but i thought steam was supposed to be better than everyone else?
>>741052834>>741052915>>741053030Holy samefag.
>>741047478>I looooooove modern web design UI in gamesit's called minimalism. you wouldn't get it.
>>741030927>no one was buying anymoreIt literally sold out right before the price increase
>>741052716>No dedicated servers, everything has to be p2p.not present nor even possible on any console and you're paying for a fucking sub that doesn't even fund those>No dev support because anyone that knows how to code at valve already left.steamworks is more developer friendly than any console? what the fuck are you on about>No publishing support or moneyhatting devs.>No advertising for low budget games that need it.don't you people cry about early access games when that's literally their point?>In fact, the algorithm loves to bury hidden gems while shoving FOTM popular trash on your face.you control your steam recommendations>They are taking the same cut console platforms do.they're taking less since their cut is regressiveand console physical is even worse, now their cut is down from 70% to 50% and you're losing money on reselling
>nincels are STILL seething about jewtendo losing the lawsuit
>>741052694what is this level of mental illness?you do know you can have multiple active threads on the same board right?in fact the only nintendo threads at this point are the negative ones like this one, your consoles and games are not even amounting to 5% of the threads
>>741053407>cubesnoyThat's a new one for me, where is the "cube" part from? The GameCube?
>>741052238lmao
>>741038371I've literally been called a chud and a troon in the same thread before and a snoy and tendie in the another thread. I'm not sure if these people are just role playing or they've gotten so extreme or what
>>741052694Next time you see a Touhou thread, check what's going on (but don't post, no one wants you here)No one gives a shit about console war; it's just autistic people posting shit
>>741053460Yeah for some reason the nintendo fanbase collapsed and now consider fans of the gamecube to be their enemies.
>>741053702Nincels have been saying the iwata era of sloptendo was bad now. Shitch2 really mind broke them.
>>741053254>steamworks is more developer friendly than any console? what the fuck are you on aboutsteamworks is not coding support, its just mod hosting and the drm overlay that emulates xinput on different gamepads
>>741053365>nintendo got literally everything they wanted, including the removal of pokeballs and the multimillion yen fine>but they lost btww?
>>741053702They're so fucking insane and desperate that they're doing infighting now (And then they beg for Gamecube games to be on their shitty online thing)Alright
>>741053870lol
>>741053870They're bringing back the balls and the mounts for the 1.0Nintendo didn't do shit except make more people hate them and make even more people aware of Palworld
>>741053870>removal of pokeballs???why would they put them in the 1.0 release trailer, then?
>>741030927Nothing, console war retards saw the original version where Steam is watching all the console companies shoot themselves and it made them really mad so as soon as Valve did something that people didn't like they made this and started spamming it everywhere
>>741052213Consoles don't even have a fraction of the versatility of PC.
>>741053804why the fuck would it be coding support? it handles all the multiplayer shit for you too
>>741053870That is if they actually win the lawsuit(which seems very unlikely at this point) so at max, palworld only need to pay some chump change and stay with the changes pokeball mechanics. And if palworld wins, Nintendo can never sue anyone else ever again for those patented mechanics.
>>741039016>>741043892What do you mean abandoned? I play TF2 everyday.
>>741054910>And if palworld wins, Nintendo can never sue anyone else ever again for those patented mechanics.That's not how this works anon, there's a reason everyone and their mom was telling yuzu to wrap it up and bail and not go to court at any cost, because they may have made emulation illegal despite sony losing that lawsuit ages ago.
>>741055108have they done anything about the bot plague yet?
>>741055268Yeah, they ban them regularly. And if you don't like casual, you can go to community servers.
>>741030712White people. Nintendo is the only company not run by white people or their pet minorities (blacks and indians).
>>741048626valve cultists set the bar when they claimed it would kill the switch (it didn’t)
>>741050010oh nyoooo someone called reddit right the fuck now!
>>741038371>t. jimblo
>>741031727Oh no no no, revenge bros our response??
Console wars are so dumb
Console wars are so kino
>>741057028Damn jimblo bros in shambles
>>741057028Oh man wait till scrumblo sees this
>>741030712>Sony is 7 years behind the trends costing them billions of dollars>Xbox is still letting Todd Howard collect paychecks for not do anything>valve is comically turning evil by the day>Nintendo actually dropped the price of their physical vs digital games by 10 bucks
>>741054182Steamworks sucks donkey dick and hasn't had significant updates in over a decade. Meanwhile other platforms actually give a shit about helping you make and publish your game on their platforms.
>>741060624>charge 60 dollars for a 10 dollar shovelware title>drop the price to 50 dollars>"ZOMG SEE? NINTENDO IS PRO-CONSUMER">it's only for the digital version that you don't own and are only renting, aka the very thing you guys supposedly hate about steam
>>741039016Oh no zoomie needs constant ypdates to keep his attention. Jingle jangle jingle jangle
>>74106110120 years of updates means that TF2 is dead, but Nintendo leaving Splatoon to die every installment, to force you to pay 60 bucks for the sequels? omg kino!But to Nintendo's credit, at least Splatoon 3 has dedicated servers and isn't still stuck with P2P. Haha. right?
>>741060875>universally Nintendo is charging 10 dollars less for digital than physical.>this is somehow a bad thing or a slight against Nintendo>every other publisher can do the same in heartbeat >valve could lower all prices of the games on sale on their platform by 10 bucks (especially if there's a physical release on consoles) But instead of questioning why Nintendo is able to do this and still maintain profitability and demand others follow suit. You seethe about Nintendo. You deranged fucks really are just sad.
>>741061219There's going to be a splatoon 4, hell splatoon raiders comes out soon.At the end of the day valve straight up abandons games they create or leave big hollowed out experiences up like a ghost town. All their games have major botting issue they choose to ignore.I'd take Nintendo's method any day than a company that clearly gives zero fucks about what it's players want from them.Nintendo may shelve lesser selling franchises like fzero but they never would do that for a series as popular as half life, portal, etc.
>>741061528I can gladly hate them for the same reason I hate most other AAA game companies: their trash is not worth more than 20 dollars.They have the audacity to charge 70 dollars for dogshit, while other devs put out kino for not even a fraction of that price. >>741061668>At the end of the day valve straight up abandons games We literally got almost 20 years of free content updates for TF2. Why wasn't Splatoon 2 and 3 free for people who bought the first one? Hell, considering how Raiders looks like mobile iphone shovelware, that should be a free download as well.
>>741030927The Deck sold out within 24 hours of relaunch lolAlso the Steam Controller was $99 and also sold out within 24 hours when you can get an 8bitdo with the same specs (but working xinput) for $40.
>>741039016>... that abandoned TF2.For an almost 20-year-old game TF2 is getting tons of support. >released games They did that. You mistyped "released" though.
>>741052213>Steam doesn't provide you enough for the cut it takes?Why use it then>because being on Steam is so valuable that you can't afford to not be on it Pick a lane.
>>741044048They aren't reliant on selling that hardware and they aren't the reason why the hardware market is completely fucked right now either. >>741044193You not understanding simple sentences surely means that you're very smart. Smart people never understand what's being said, right?
>>741060624>valve is comically turning evil by the daywhat do you mean?
>>741056543>some guy trolled me once by saying something outrageous >I now need to spend the rest of my life seething about it while saying things that are completely unreasonable I envy that troll and his powers.
>>741060624>>valve is comically turning evil by the day
>>741049510>You forgot constantly banning JP games for no reason.Yeah, that sucks. Wouldn't call it "constantly", though. >Also the recent removal of physical gift cards.Who gives a fuck about that? >Also constantly buying yacht fleets instead of making games.Which part specifically am I supposed to be mad about? Him larping as a marine scientist and funding a bunch of research or him buying a shipyard and building/selling boats now?
>>741061528>>valve could lower all prices of the games on sale on their platform by 10 bucksthey can't reallythere is plenty of games that cost under 10 bucks and considering that steam get 30% from it the game would be need to be over 34 bucks for steam to drop it by 10$(and drop all their profits from sale)
>>741038371It's called pattern recognition. You're not as sneaky as you think you are.
>>741039216Jesus suffered for you on the cross and this is how you act? You deserve what he will do to you.
>>741038371Don't go to those famitsu threads. I've only been there a couple of times and i couldn't even take it anymore. I've been called several names just for criticizing Nintendo in that thread.Its basically the Tendies containment thread.
>>741061528>>universally Nintendo is charging 10 dollars less for digital than physical.
>>741039283>you dont own your games But you do on console? Lmao.Steam and other PC storefronts are the only places where you own shit because you can crack your games so they can't be taken away.
>>741031727KWABOOTY!!
>>741061750>They have the audacity to charge 70 dollars for dogshit, while other devs put out kino for not even a fraction of that price.what "other devs", troon? Like it or not 70-80 is standard msrp outside of indie slop and steam sales
>>741060750Lmao Xcucks using dollar store Zelda as their mascot since they don't have any other
>>741063148That's a switch 1 game. If you want semantics. All first party switch 2 titles released after Mario tennis fever have this pricing policy in place.Slice it up all you want still doesn't change the fact no other publisher is doing this
>>741060750>>741063445You are journey to bring you're derivative asset store garbage to Xbox starts here, sar
>>741063449>All first party switch 2 titles released after Mario tennis fever have this pricing policy in place.
>>741061750>actual autismI know that this will be lost on you, considering you didn't realize Splatoon 1 is on a different console to begin with, but you should ask yourself why TF2 wasn't free at launch for those who owned Team Fortress
>>741031727YOU DARE?! YOU ARE COURTING DEATH!@FBI DO SOMETHING!!!
>i don't have any money>give me games i don't like for freeclassic /v/
>>741031727Funny!
>>741060750This is my third time replying but what's your measure for how accommodating a platform is for developers? Because Steam publishes more games than all consoles combined, every week/month/year. They publish a wider variety of games, from a wider variety of devs, with far less editorial control than anyone. The Steam catalog is larger than all console brands, combined. Maybe Gabe should throw up a Wix page like those guys in your pic, or something?
>>741049510>pajeet is seething because his giftcard scam is gonna end
>>741063513Umm nintensissies...our response?
>>741062667and now you know why some devs like the ones behind lover kiss decided to give up on valve entirely nowadays
>>741063118what was your "criticism"?
Samefagging is pathetic
>>741063513>>741064014This is also a switch 1 game nigga, I don't think it even released after the switch 2, the fuck are you on about?
>>741064217I've been waiting for you to move the goal posts.
>>741064290not even a first party gamendsfags really are not even sending their best anymore lol
>>741064290Okay post rhythm heaven
>>741060624>>741062756hello? anyone?
>>741064471have you been living under a rock or something?
>>741030712>>741031727/thread
>>741064369>Pokemon>not first partySure.>>741064396Switch 1 game, so it's not possible for Nintendo to make the digital version cheaper.
>>741064553Pokemon isn’t first party
>>741064553Pokopia was literally not even made by nintendo or gamefreak anon.And are you really shitting your pants over a game that is already cheap?
>fucking retard keeps posting games that are playable on switch 1>ace in the hole is a game where they share 33% of the publishing with 2 other companies and was developed by an independent 3rd party devAll this work to nip pick something other companies aren't even considering doing.
>>741038713>even MSpaint shitposts are made with AI now
>>741064498yes, i have. i was in a coma for the last 2 months. thanks for bringing it up
>>741064583Don't explain to him that Nintendo, Creatures Inc and the Pokémon company share the Pokémon IP gaming stuff. Or that koei temco developed the damn thing.He's a fucking idiot. He's attempting a gacha for a pricing policy that literally benefits consumers.
>>741064583Nintendo disagrees.>>741064603Published by Nintendo, co-developed by Gamefreak and Omega Force. The new Star Fox is developed by some third party studio, yet they have the new pricing policy applied.>a game that is already cheap>$70 digitallmao
>>741031727Palworld is truly Tendies' 9/11 in every aspect, holy shit.
>>741064583>>741064603>https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2026/260203_2e.pdfJust take it from daddy Nintendo.
>>741064758>RH is $70?
>>741064746Making physical editions 10 bucks more expensive doesn't benefit the consumer.
>>741030927Nothing, it's tendie projection.
>>741039016How much support are Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft to their 29 year old games? Forcing you to pay a subscription to emulate the original doesn't count as support.
>>741053251AKA they were claiming to be sold out while sitting on stock with the intention of selling it for $300 more
>>741062803You all said it. I don’t even care. I just find it funny. You’re the one seething.
>>741031727Goddamn Anon got their asses good
>>741031727TENDIESISTERS HELP
>>741046443Indian confirmed
>>741064014Uhhhm, he was talking about Switch 3 games!
>>741052803>fpbp>fRetard
>>741031727cool shilling, very organic
>>741070074>the OP was totally organic!!!!fucking lol
>>741031727Here's a truthful post
>>741070074Don't you have some children and animals to jerk off to?
>>741070074this. what an absolute embarassment
>>741046443How does it feels a third world nigger dunked on Nintendo in court?
>>741064758>Nintendo disagrees.Oh, so then Nintendo lied when they said that they wouldn't release 1st party games as game key cards
>>741030712isn't the only one who actually committed suicide here xbox? and even then they're dying very slowly and steadily. ps and steam seem to be doing fine and are growing year by year.
>>741031727>>741030712
>>741071384Pretty much. Pokemon is a first-party IP according to Nintendo.
>>741071860palCHADS won in the end
>>741030712No consequences.
>>741031727Kek, this many replies. Shows how hated tendies are here. They 100% earned the vitriol, too.
>>741031727This is going into my trolling folder
>>741073538wonder how many replies are just the usual retard samefagging constantlyper-thread IDs would fix this website overnight
>>741051946I was in fact wondering why nobody made a thread about Nintendo losing the court case. It's been a week already. Thsi just cements the theory that the majority of posters here are tendies.
>wonder how many replies are just the usual retard samefagging constantly>per-thread IDs would fix this website overnight
>>741031727It happened again
>>741053792>they're saying the Iwata era is bad nowWhat's the argument here?
>>741075646>Take a pic of a NIGGER>Add Mario hat>EPICK OWN ALL TENDIES ARE NIGGERS!!!!!!
>>741055380>Come to community servers! We got:>Child moderators>"""Family-Friendly""" Servers (you can't say anything remotely negative or lewd)>Troons everywhere>More children>Groomer admins
>>741030712>tendie thinking nutendo is on his side / doing wellSuprised you little guys are still yapping after that dumpster fire of a direct. You still aint playing p4r and p6 at launch with the rest of us and your ports of games the rest of us have played years ago can barely chug out a consistent 30fps.
>>741076510>You still aint playing p4r and p6 at launch with the rest of usSo?Faglus is just going to try double dip with the royal/golden/vengeance version with extra content and fixed bugs anyway, it's better to just wait for that.
>>741074734How to be scum: overhype and overboast your victories; Slide, damage control, downplay and hide your losses
>>741030927won a lawsuit against the rothschilds so now they're doomed to be raped by (((lawfare))) for the rest of their days
>>741046443Americans pick the most likeable, chill, gregarious groups to be categorically racist against then let some of the most unlikable ones do whatever they want.
The insistence of making $200-$400 million dollar games
>>741063278>indie slopSo you're biased against actually good games. Good to know.>>741063527>I know that this will be lost on you, considering you didn't realize Splatoon 1 is on a different consoleHow is that relevant? Nintendo could've registered it to my WiiU account and then given it to me for free when Splatoon 2 came out on Switch. But that would've required those assholes to not be greedy. >but you should ask yourself why TF2 wasn't free at launch for those who owned Team FortressBecause Team Fortress 2 is a completely different game from Team Fortress. Splatoon 2 and 3 are just splatoon 1 with the squid OCs recolored slightly. It's laziness.
>>741031089OP is the original version though, context being the severity of their price hikes compared to Nintendo's. I did make this version for shitposters like you, so have fun.
>>741078848lolno, this PS version got made 90 seconds after OP got postedthe OP version also is stolen from 8
>>741078848No, it's not. Retard.
>>741030712Greed.
>>741070074The truly funny part about copes like yours is that there's nothing you can say that wouldn't also apply to anyone agreeing with OP.
>>741080034You don't know what that word means.
>>741072636Pokemon is a 1st party IP.Nintendo owns 1/3 of the brand.Nintendo doesn't make Pokemon games.
>>741072636the switch 2 library is already better than the ps5 library, its a shame there's so little announced but really the alternative is playing nigger walking simulators or marathon. I shall continue to bing bing wahoo
>>741074734Because you are retarded? The lawsuit is still ongoing. The next hearing is in October.Paltards really had their brains fried and can't process basic information anymore.
>>741080667>its a shame there's so little announcedI don't think it's a shame, it's a good thing they are not announcing anything that is not releasing within the next 6 months tops.I have fatigue of>Thing gets announced.>I get hyped.>See the release date.>Coming "soon" in currentyear+5.Like holy shit I may not even remember it by next year, let alone by the time it releases, and that's assuming no delays.And constant announcements only makes it worse, it makes me think "holy fuck how is this not fucking out already?"/
>>741080684>here is how Nintendo can still patent jumping in video games ok, boomer
>>741080667Not a very high bar. Personally both libraries are abhorrent and make me just want to play multiplats and indies. I've seen what nintendo considers "quality".
>>741080985you know cutscenes in xeno games are skippable, right?and that's ignoring multiplats are also better played on the switch because some stuff is straight up no longer releasing outside japan anymore, and that means it's switch only too unless you want to jump through the DLsite hoopsindies are better on a portable format as well
>>741081176>you know cutscenes in xeno games are skippable, right?>just eat around the shit!How about games just NOT have shit in them? >and that's ignoring multiplats are also better played on the switch>indies are better on a portable format as wellNo modding? No backups? Have to rebuy them every gen because games on the WiiU don't transfer forward to the Switch and Switch 2? And if a switch game can be played on switch 2, I have to hope they don't force me to pay extra just to "upgrade". Yuck, no thanks.
>>741081325oh you are the sealion nigger, carry on then
>>741031727Lmfao
>>741081367>tendie resorts to calling people niggers once they get BTFO in an argument
>Of course it was the tourist ACtard spamming off topic picsEvery time.
>>741080983>here is how Nintendo can still patent jumping in video gamesHello, Paljeet.
>>741081325>moddingModding has been a meme for over a decade.If you are not playing minecraft, terraria, gta, or a bethesda game, you can forget about mods entirely.Maybe if you are lucky some randos will make asset swaps here and there but you are never really going to see anything actually worth modding for like new content or full blown expansions.Even full blown romhacks basically died with the SNES and only now are slowly inching towards the N64 and PS1 with decomp projects, and even THEN you can count the games across both those consoles that have active modding communities making new content with a single hand (Mario 64 and CTR, that's it).
Hey, Baldy, why weren't you shitting on GoW Laufey for 20 minutes of "gameplay"?
>>741081325>How about games just NOT have shit in them?Is pressing 2 buttons to skip the cutscene and going back to the gameplay too hard for NDStards or something?
>>741081626>Modding has been a meme for over a decade.Man, the modding scene is bigger than ever.Many games are basically unplayable without mods. Other games live and die by their fan recreations. The idea of playing Supreme Commander without FAF fixing alot of its problems just feels borderline crazy. Pizza Tower: Chef's Kiss basically breathed new life into the game. And most games greatly benefit from things like randomizers. This isn't getting into how mods help old games be playable on modern hardware. Look at Deus Ex. The "modern" solution is to make stupid remaster, while the actual proper solution is to play using either Deus Ex Revision.>>741081845When it's 99% of the game (as is par for the course for JRPGs) then yes. The genre is inherently bad for this reason.
>>741038713
>>741081937>When it's 99% of the gameyou didn't play XB3 lol
>>741076331would you prefer a "retard" rendition of that meme instead? and how fucking new do you have to be to NOT know that mario is indeed a nigger
>>741030927They priced their new hardware at unreasonable DoA-tier prices.>the explicit goal of subsidizing the new oneThis didn't happen.
>>741031727KEK
>>741082202"playing" XB3 requires there to be gameplay.
>>741062803>>some guy trolled me once by saying something outrageousno it fucking wasn't outrageous, I actually unironically thought Switch is going to be fucking dead in the West when Steam Deck was announced and I clearly wasn't the only one
>>741082247Honestly not sure how people aren't seeing the red flags on valve.>They had to cut costs on the steam deck production and massively price hike them.>They had to cut costs again by discontinuing physical gift cards despite being THE low-friction way people get into the ecosystem.It sounds like buying too many yachts made them run out of money.
>>741081490Sealiontrannyniggerfaggot feigns being unable to read to stop discourse when he is losing.
>>741030927offended OP, who is a tendie and faggot
>>741082660>his solution for a genre being bloated with trash is to simply step over the trash, as if that magically fixes the genreIronic that people complain about cinematic snoy walking sims, while praising JRPGs. Why does pointing this out make people so upset?
>>741031727incredible
>>741082383I hope you learned from that situation.
>>741031727NINTENDO SUE THIS MAN
>>741070867Pot calling the kettle black
>>741061528>nintendo bumps the price of their games from $70 to $80>again >see my friends are pro consumer!Lmfao
>>741082608They're discontinuing the physical gift cards to prevent scammers from redeeming them though
>>741078848Price hikes? I haven't seen any price hikes on Steam games in particular, they still seem to be normal. I don't think Steam even sets the game price, the devs do.
>>741031727Kek
>>741082763its almost like jrpgs are gameplay first once you get out of the goyslop trap of final fantasy and faglus trash or something
>>741082763The game isn't bloated with trash, you never played it. You are simply hoping that repeating yourself and being retarded will make people drop the point. Kill yourself, faggot.
>>741082896we both know that's an excuse, they are just complying with identity verification laws and killing ways to use your money anonymously
>>741030927Make thirdies seethe by forcing them to build PCs instead of buy their overpriced premade shit.
>>741031763Name one good nintardo game
>>741053870>everything is getting added back>at very best Nintendo will get 30 grand (but probably not) all for the low cost of tens of millions in feesAhahahahahahahaha
>>741083153I have a list ready just for this type of argument.
>>741083268you do realize if they add anything back they just get raped in court, right?
>>741082992>>741082964>its almost like jrpgs are gameplay first Which is why every Xenoblade/SMT/Dragon Quest thread is just blatant waifufaggotry repeated for 500 posts.
>>741052534lots of new companies are moving shop there instead of nintendo's eshop. its the 2000's all over again
>>741031727Holy Kek!
>>741083356But they're not, they're so confident they're not they're adding it back
>>741052687Nintendo just makes cute games that appeal to the young and women. Young is up to 25 years or so. They're really not bad enough to hate them. Their main sin is the same sin the industry committed as a whole. Relying on old IPs and shareholders forever instead of innovating. Nintendo is already one of the least bad examples of this
>>741031727This is the best use I've seen of this meme yet
>>741083675>Nintendo is already one of the least bad examples of thisMetroid Prime 4 proves you wrong. They are more than willing to completely destroy a game just to catch up to modern trends.
>>741083418Another attempt at defining gameplay for a game he never played. it didn't work 10 minute ago why do you expect it to work now?
>>741083752Then please, you are more than welcome to show some of this "amazing" gameplay that you're so proud of.
>>741083834Nah, not needed. No reason to spoonfeed a retard like you. If you want to see the gameplay go play the game. We already both know you'll dismiss out of hand anyway.
>>741060624>valve is comically turning evil by the dayWhat the fuck are you even talking about. The only bad news that came out of Valve is that they jacked up the price of Steam Deck due to RAM shortages, which is also affecting the launch of their other hardware lines.
>>741060624Todd Howard walking on stage and hyping up next Bethesda game is arguably the best marketing Microsoft can buy for next TES and Fallout, even if he does it every three years
>>741061528>why Nintendo is able to do thisThere was literally nothing stopping any video game company from making their digital releases cheaper than physical since the introduction of the format all the way back in the early 00's. Up until now it was just an unspoken rule to keep the prices the same in the industry, Nintendo's doing this because they understand from personal experience no less that pricing out their loyal customers is bad for longevity and reducing digital prices is one way to circumvent the tariffs.
>>741084023>standing in one place is peak JRPG gameplayI see.
>>741082928he's talking about the steam deck, new price is over double the original msrp so now it's almost the same price as a PS5.
>If keep samefagging with only offtopic images itt people surely won't notice it's me alone
>OP claims that Nintendo is somehow different from everyone else>it's "off topic" to argue against this
>>741030712>What is the cause of this phenomenon?All the three who shot themselves are lying about the fact that they are making money. Its that simple.
>>741083268>everything is getting added backThey can't add it back because then Nintendo would have no reason to scale back the lawsuit to previous versions of the game. The only reason 1.0 won't be hit is because they removed the stolen mechanics.>at very best Nintendo will get 30 grandSo exactly what Nintendo wanted from the lawsuit? So Nintendo won?I know Paltards are dullards, but you are a special case even among then
The fact that this thread is so big proves that the image is true and each one of those fanbases are seething.
>>741030712why are you larping that Steam has ruined itself?
>>741085056It's this strange double standard that consoles are pushing.>Nintendo is selling games at 70 to 80 dollars? GOOD! Price the poorfags out!>NOOO STEAM DECK CAN'T RAISE IT'S PRICE, WHAT ABOUT THE POOR PEOPLE?!It's a constant back and forth between hating rich people, and sucking them off, depending on when it's convenient.
>>741044048how? Steam makes gazillion dollars per day, the handheld thingies is a sideproject and not a zuckerberg-tier priority project to ruin your entire business over
>>741084906>stolen mechanicsThat is the dumbest shit ever and its crazy to me that you're batting for the billion dollar media franchise.
>>741084906They literally are adding it back because Nintendo is going to lose>Nintendo wanted to spend tens of millions to get 30kKek
>>741085149figurestendies have been assfucked, beaten and humiliated for decades so they'll grab on to this with complete desperation to have atleast some hope of getting back at SteamGODS
>>741085149What's crazy is that snoys, xbots, and pc chads are genuinely pissed prices are going up. Nincels LITERALLY celebrating higher prices is bizarre.
>>741085056Tendies are trying to make it like the RAM shortage was Valve's fault I dunno. Or that they should lose money but sell the deck cheaper while forgetting that console companies always made money from selling games and not consoles which is kinda impossible for Valve.
>>741084906They're adding pokeballs back in version 1.0, they've already shown it in a trailer. Nintendo still won't be able to do shit to them because the mechanics weren't "copied" to begin with.>n-nintendo only wanted 30k! They didn't want to do any significant damage to Palworld!Of course they didn't.
>>741076445>blaming this on valveholy, nigger!
>>741084336These games are slop.The best Nintendo games are stuff like Mario, Zelda, Kirby and Smash Bros or their one-off titles in the same style like Miitopia. Not the generic gooner tranime games with shit gameplay that mimic the generic gooner tranime games with shit gameplay from Sony.
>>741085216It's Nintendo's patent. If they let it slide now in another case in the future court could ask "Why didn't you have any issue with it back then?".>>741085230>Pocketpair won.>Nintendo lost.>That's why Pocketpair is paying exactly what Nintendo demanded in the lawsuit.With every post my opinion of Paltards' intelligence lesens.
>>741084906Slootendo losing this court case is going to be so fucking funny. The crashout from you nincels is going to be amazing.
>>741085437Who said I was blaming this on Valve? I was blaming the niggers that run the community servers, nigger
>>741031727kek
>>741085347Nintendo wanted the removal of stolen mechanics and 5 million yen.Pocketpair already removed the stolen mechanics in an attempt to not get throughly raped in court and you are claiming they will pay Nintendo 5 million yen.So, who won here?
>>741084906>So exactly what Nintendo wanted from the lawsuit? So Nintendo won?If what Nintendo wanted was to look like clowns, waste a shit ton of money and get pocket change in return, then yeah, they indeed won
>>741085465Shut the fuck up. Your retarded bias against anime doesn't hold any real meaning.>but Nintendo wasn't like this when I was growing up!You grew up sometime between 1995 and 2005 when Nintendo of America had a complete death grip on Nintendo's image in America. They were so trigger happy about fucking with any game that was "too Japanese" that they didn't even release the already-made Wii port of Chibi-Robo, not to even mention the proper "anime" games in Nintendo's catalog.
>>741085471Mechanics shouldn't be patentable and anyone who thinks otherwise is a cunt
>>741085493You are the one claiming Nintendo is going to lose based solely on some tranny jewrno that doesn't know Japanese law who said Nintendo will "only be paid measly $30k (5 million yen)".In what world you win and have to pay the loser exactly what the loser demanded in the lawsuit?
>>741085616Nintendo didn't give a fuck about any specific mechanics, what they wanted was to shut down anyone who dared to imply that Pokemon wasn't the natural/ideal state of monster collecting games. They picked what mechanics to sue over based on this goal, not anticipating how easily Palworld could step around them.Palworld is now poised for its 1.0 release to add the features back, because Nintendo overplayed its hand and got its patents over these concepts called into question.I'd say Nintendo lost and Pocketpair won.
>>741085649>you can't hate shallow anime shit that's the same movieslop that the west has been peddling for decades>why? >BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'TIt's ironic that slop like Xenoblade and Fire Emblem completely prove the OP wrong. Nintendo is no different from sony or microsoft.
>>741085632No, the main point was the removal of infringed mechanics from the game and that's exactly what happened.
>>741085817Jewtendo wanted WAY MORE than just $30k. I enjoy that you nincels keep moving the goalpost further and further back.
>>741085817In the world where the money was secondary to the actual goal of the lawsuit, to shut down or cripple a game that they felt was a threat. They've failed to do either and have in fact lost some of the leverage they used to try it.
>>741085912Nintendo only patented these ideas after Palworld was announced. If they felt that these ideas were what specifically needed to be defended then surely they'd have patented them before a possible threat was on the horizon.
>>741085802It's not mechanics that's patented. It's the specific implementation of the mechanic.Nintendo made the unique, specific recipe to achieve that result and were granted a patent for it. Pockepair stole that recipe instead of making their own.
>>741085875You think anything anime is "shallow movieslop", so I don't care about your opinion.
>>741077980In the same brain Steam stands up to the Rothschilds and kneels to credit card jews because they fear backlash for greenlighting Vita games like Dungeon Travelers 2.
>>741085471They're adding the mechanics back though, so not only is Nintendo spending tens of millions to try and get 30k they're not even going to get that it seemsTopkek
i don't think it's fair to say this when xbox is actually doing something good for once
>>741085863>Nintendo overplayed its hand and got its patents over these concepts called into question.That never happened in Japan where the lawsuit is being processed.I'm acutely aware reading comprehension is Paltards' Achilles heel, but this is just sad.
>>741085649They look fuglier and play worse than Nintendos other games.
>>741086084Japan and Nintendo are welcome to prove me wrong. Anytime now.
>>741086084You had the audacity to tell me to "shut the fuck up" so not just your opinion but your entire life is worthless, lowly cretin.
>>741086056>Nintendo made the unique, specific recipe to achieve that resultHold a button to see a reticle, use another input (either releasing or pressing another button) to launch your projectile, run a check when the projectile hits an enemy to see whether the effect it's trying to achieve actually goes off.If we want to claim this is a "unique implementation" of anything then we've basically granted Nintendo domain over the concept of an "aiming mode" in a third person game. Banjo Tooie is inches away from violating this fucking patent. If they had any egg that did anything mathematical on contact with an enemy it would be, I think.
>>741085949Paltard, you can read on Pockepair's own site what exactly Nintendo demanded >>741084906Are you going to say Pocketpair is lying too because that's not something your favourite jewtuber told you?
>>741085963The goal was to protect their patents and they have achieved it by Pocketpair removing all infringed mechanics from the game.
>>741086252What exactly Nintendo demanded on paper. Their actual goals with the lawsuit were more along the lines of maliciously extending the litigation until Pocketpair ran out of money. That's why they asked for so little.
>>741084906Nintendo is already crashed and burned. Losing this case is a bonus.
>>741086024Nintendo was granted those patents BEFORE any Palworld trailer showed them being included in the game. Try to keep up.
>>741086252
>>741086324Their goal was to either get Palworld shut down formally or force Pocketpair to shut it down by drowning them in legal expenses. They've failed. And the mechanics, which were always just an excuse for Nintendo to go after them, are being re-added in 1.0 anyway.SEETHE.
>>741085471>lesens.
>>741030712Tendie delusion, basically.
>>741086056>It's not the mechanics that's patented>It's the mechanics of the mechanics thats patentedOh that makes it better (/sarcasm).
>>741086102The only way they are adding them back is if after 2 years they finally managed to make their own original implementations instead of using Nintendo's stolen ones.Either way, Nintendo succeeded in protecting their patents.
>>741086189They've done it dozens of times already, your hate for "muh anime" has rendered you incapable of seeing it. A cutscene is not a movie, a game with lots of cutscenes still isn't a movie, I am not here solely to push buttons and see the results, if the world is interesting then I am more engaged than if just the gameplay is interesting.
>>741086534Except they are just adding them backNintendo isn't even going to get their pitiful 30k kek
>>741086245Every patent had over 60 pages. The word count in your post wouldn't even be enough to list the names of all people involved in creation of those patents.
>>741086534They're re-adding the basic concept of throwing a ball to summon a monster at the location it's thrown.That wasn't "stolen from Nintendo" at all. It's just the logical extension of holding your monsters in throwable projectiles.The fact that Nintendo forced them to remove it temporarily is proof that Nintendo is abusing the patent system.
>>741085912Yep, but those are coming back so.....
I think he tends to stick to these threads now that the famitsu tendies have learned to identify and ignore him
>>741086620That's because nobody running a patent office knows anything about video games or coding, and because the law is a convoluted piece of shit, not because those mechanics are super hard to think up and super unique.
>>741030927Hurting the Feelings of the Hyrule People
>>741086386>>741086428>Paltards get their info from AIThose are the pioneers of Paltard intelligence. After reading the replies itt I'm not at all surprised, though.Don't ask Google how many letters "o" are in the word "Google", though.
>>741086348>>741086432>I made shit up in my diseased mind and now I'm mad!
>>741086570>They've done it dozens of times alreadyAnd the "best" examples into JRPG slop where you walk down a hallway for 5 hours. If it makes you feel better, it's not solely a Nintendo thing. I still remember laughing at FF7 for being peak movieshit with its 5 minute long summon animations. And what do you know, the FF7 remake is pretty faithful at being a movie!
>>741082883Actually I'm straight up calling you a nigger jew.
>>741086765>actually being proud of being a famitsu tendieNot the gotcha you think it is.
>>741030927Threaten the status quo
>>741086583If they are just adding them back then they will be raped in court. Strange thing to do when the next hearing is in October.>>741086650You can't patent basic concepts.
>>741030712even if i was to admit that i hate nintendoids, it is funny how you can seel this picture being a variety of the Steam guy looking at others, killing themselves, the Nintendo guy looking at other killing themsevles, even some sony troon may do a Sony guy watching, but noone will ever make the xbox the main hero.
>>741086620>>741086938>>741087156Revengebros? Our status?
>>741031727Nintenbros.......
>>741087156>You can't patent basic concepts.And yet they did. Palworld was forced to have all summoning of monsters just happen right next to the player model from when the lawsuit started until 1.0. Because the very idea of throwing your projectile and having the monster in that projectile come out where you threw it was covered by the patent.
>>741053251>make 1 unit>sell 1 unit>SOLD OUT
>>741030712Nintendo players are too scared
>>741087001And I think you're retarded for calling a game with long cutscenes a "movie" even outside of Nintendo games. "Hallways" is a complaint frequently thrown at any game that doesn't take place in the most massive and obvious open world of all time too, so forgive me if I take it with a grain of salt.
>>741086137xbox is the onyl one with literally noone but you defending it. it literally is the deadest of all 4 by a wide margin. even sony has its defenders.
>>741031727Tendies fight back!
>>741087383Why do video games need massive and long cutscenes? Go watch a movie if you want that.>b-but I want to be immersed in the worldIf the game can't do that by merits of the gameplay, then it's already failed.
>>741087534I don't want an immersive world, I want an interesting one that plays well with the characters and mechanics. Which isn't achieved by having no writing/cutscenes.>but that's a movie! Go watch a movie if you want characters and dialogue!!!No. Games have had characters and dialogue for fifty years. I refuse to believe that this was all a mistake and the sole thing a game should be designed for is to reward the right set of button presses.
>>741087275They didnt. It's impossible to do. That's not how patents work. Nintendo patented their own unique implementation for summoning monsters.Pocketpair stole that unique implementation instead of making their own.That's why they removed it not to get raped in court. That's why Nintendo can't target the versions of the game that had it removed.Smart thing to do would be making their own implementation. Even Pocketpair who never made anything original in they lives could probably do it in those 2 years.When your only defense is that you removed the infringed mechanics adding them back in right before the next hearing would be retarded. But I can't exactly give them the benefit of the doubt, either.
>>741038713Neptunechads never lost hope, and we will soon reap the rewards
>>741087275>And yet they did.They didn't.
>>741031727>40 Million down the drainAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAHAAAA
>>741087724>I want an interesting one that plays well with the characters and mechanicsAnd there's no alternative to having massive cutscenes where you just sit and do nothing, while the characters talk and move without your input?
>>741087885>Nintendo patented their own unique implementation for summoning monsters.The thing they patented is "monster is summoned where you throw a projectile it's contained in". Pocketpair didn't "copy" shit by having the same implementation, that implementation is simply the logical conclusion of catching monsters inside of throwable projectiles. That Nintendo even tried to patent it is hilarious, and that Palworld feels confident enough to re-add it even when Nintendo supposedly still holds that patent is uplifting.
>>741088037Trying to design a story with absolutely no moments where the characters talk and move and have opinions sounds like a contrarian's errand, so yes, it's required.>but does it have to be LONG?You think five minutes is long, so yes.If I got upset about everything it looked like I could control in a game that I didn't actually have full control over, I'd be seeing red all the time. No game COMPLETELY lives up to the things it "promises" you have control over. So I don't care about not having control over the game at all times, nor the characters taking actions I dislike. It's that simple.
>>741088312>Trying to design a story with absolutely no moments where the characters talk and move and have opinions sounds like a contrarian's errand, so yes, it's required.Worked for Mario for 40 years.
>>741088627The Toads and Peach both talk in the original SMB.The sequel is justified as taking place in a dream land.Both had more elaboration on their story in the manual too, that's where we get the info that all the blocks are magically transformed toads so clearly players were expected to be at least somewhat interested in the story even back then.You can maybe argue this was all solely pinned on the story being mostly outside the game, but that falls apart with other games like Zelda which put the story in the opening crawl before the gameplay information, and also directly asked you to read the manual, which contained more story.
>>741088825Keywords from your post being "in the manual".If I want a big heaping helping of lore and backstory, I can take a gander there and have my fill. What I don't need is the game putting the brakes on the gameplay so I can be lectured on the intricacies of Hyrule politics, or Mushroom Kingdom's immigration policy.Modern games have become too bloated for their own good.
>>741031727Its has been a rough year for Nintnedo and Tendies lol
>>741089008>Keywords from your post being "in the manual"As I said, by ZELDA FUCKING ONE they'd already started putting more of the story into the game and asking directly that the player read the manual. So that doesn't scan as "good design because gameplay needs to be separated from story" so much as "they couldn't fit more story into the actual cartridge at the time".>What I don't need is the game putting the brakes on the gameplay so I can be lectured on the intricacies of Hyrule politics, or Mushroom Kingdom's immigration policy.The fact that you believe this is what would naturally happen if the games had cutscenes at all is concerning.
>>741030712Fixed your pic OP.
>>741089461>"they couldn't fit more story into the actual cartridge at the time".A positive attribute born as a result of limitations of the medium. As we've seen with modern games, when devs have stronger hardware and less limitations, they just up and ruin everything that came before them. Look at the Switch. I always assumed that Nintendo didn't focus on graphics because stylization was important and gameplay mattered more. But Starfox and Ocarina of Time proved me wrong. Now that they have stronger hardware, they just wanna graphics whore like everyone else. The same goes with story. Now people want their movies to be gay and for trannies like modern hollywood films.Maybe we should go back to Zelda 1 and demand that story be kept to a minimum, and if you want it, go read the manual. I'd rather go back and play Zelda 1 than touch 90% of the rest of the series like Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, or any of the mobile trash like Phantom Hourglass. Less is more.>The fact that you believe this is what would naturally happen if the games had cutscenes at all is concerning.The above zelda examples kinda demonstrate this. Instead of me just being allowed to wander the world, fighting monsters and smiting evil, now I have to watch Link be in some retarded romantic love triangle with random characters because it "makes him more indepth" or something equally stupid.
>>741082006What did our guy long john silver mean by this?
>>741031727oooh they're not gonna like tis one
>>741089830>Maybe we should go back to Zelda 1 and demand that story be kept to a minimum, and if you want it, go read the manual.I don't want that. I want the story to be in the game itself. It's not a good thing for there to be less story.>Instead of me just being allowed to wander the world, fighting monsters and smiting evilWhat Zelda games are like that? Zelda 1 is still about stopping Ganon and saving Zelda. You aren't "wandering", you meet mysterious old men who tell you where the next leg of your quest is. The whole thing was clearly meant to evoke a fantasy adventure, and not in the sense of "hours of wandering around fantasy wilderness slaying fantasy monsters", but in the sense of like Lord of the Rings, a hero going on a fateful journey. The addition of proper towns and more concentrated friendly NPCs happened one game later to help sell that impression even more.I prefer ALttP, LA, and even OoT to Zelda 1. All three have more story by a long shot and that isn't a coincidence.
>>741031727kino
>>741031727consolefags btfopc master race
>>741030712nintendo did it too600 bucks for a ps3 is a bit much
>>741031727RapedGapedKeked
>>741031727when something gets this many replies it doesn't feel genuine
>>741031727>SamefaggingTotally organic
>>741090238>I don't want that. I want the story to be in the game itself. It's not a good thing for there to be less story.Then the industry needs to stop jerking off hollywood. I'd gladly see the end of all story games, if it meant the death of every God of War sequel and TLOU remaster (I think we're on remaster #6 right now). The bad is rapidly outpacing the good games, and even the good games are saturated by bad habits like having segments of the game be ruined by story. IE "you win the battle, but lose in the cutscene.">What Zelda games are like that?Games like LTTP and the Oracle Zelda games, for starters. Because of limitations, they can't have much story, and it's pretty damn sparse. I'm willing to concede and have maybe a cutscene or two here and there, but only if it's absolutely necessary. The most you really need is some text to help keep the pace of the game going. I was even willing to forgive some JRPGs for this, as long as they kept it to a minimum, like the Mario RPGs. Say what you will about SMRPG, but making Mario a pantomime was genius, it kept the script to a minimum. Making a good portion of his responses essentially just "press the b button to jump" still makes me laugh.Back on the topic of Zelda, they should be embracing the idea of story being told through the gameplay, and shouldn't constantly interrupt the gameplay for it. Even OOT and Majora's Mask suffered from this to an extent, since the cutscenes were unskippable. And even if they were, it was still a boring slog to constantly mash through them. >The addition of proper towns and more concentrated friendly NPCs happened one game later to help sell that impression even more.To be honest, the NPCs only really helped because of their gameplay impact. The prospect of running into an NPC who could give me a quest, a bug net, a bottle, or even a hint about a secret made towns worth exploring. Otherwise most NPCs are just easily ignorable.
>>741090793This is at the very least 3/4 a poojeet replying to himself thinking no one notices.
>>741090906i don't understand why these people do itall the spamming means it will be deleted in a few hoursno one will remember them
>>741087684possibly the biggest nintendo L ever
>>741031727Nintendo Lost
>>741031727the seething ones crying samefag add an extra layer of butthurt to this, it's sheer art
>>741064647>oh wow! Even [low effort template] is being used with [low effort tool]. Who could have predicted this?
>>741031727thread should've ended hereand i dont even like palworldfuck jewtendo
>>741090846>having segments of the game be ruined by story. IE "you win the battle, but lose in the cutscene."That doesn't ruin anything for me. I don't progress the story if I lose the fight, so it's not like it's invalidating my victory in any gameplay sense. It only makes my victory not enough to ensure the protagonists win in the story.>Games like LTTP and the Oracle Zelda games, for startersLTTP is absolutely not "just wandering around a fantasy world slaying evil". You're given a quest to earn the assistance of the wise men, save Zelda and defeat Ganondorf, you spend the whole game following that quest. I haven't played the oracles but I also seriously doubt they're "just a fantasy adventure" in that sense.>I'm willing to concede and have maybe a cutscene or two here and there, but only if it's absolutely necessaryI want more than that. The amount of buttons I am expected to push per minute doesn't relate to the quality of the game at all.>I was even willing to forgive some JRPGs for this, as long as they kept it to a minimum, like the Mario RPGs.I'm fine with how the Mario RPGs are written, but don't want them treated as the ideal way to write a game. Less dialogue is not better by default.>Even OOT and Majora's Mask suffered from this to an extent, since the cutscenes were unskippable.I would prefer the cutscenes be skippable too, but I don't consider it "interrupting the gameplay" for a cutscene to happen. The gameplay isn't the sole value of a game.>the NPCs only really helped because of their gameplay impactThey add to the feeling of seeing the world via an epic quest, too. Zelda 1 taking place in one big "hostile area" with NPCs all being hidden one by one in secret rooms felt like you were only seeing one corner of the world, the towns make you feel like you're crossing a lot more ground.And this was clearly the intent given how little of the Zelda 2 overworld is taken up by the Zelda 1 overworld.
>>741031727top kek
>>741091525>and i dont even like palworldWell, too bad for youAccording to the retards who will inevitably answer you, it's your favorite game ever
>>741031727Turns out you can't copyright throwing a ball.
>>741092016>b-but they only patented the specific mechanics of throwing a ball! And Palworld removed those mechanics!! Nintendo won! Nintendo WOOOON!!! ALL THEY WANTED WAS $30K! NINTENDO CAN'T LOOOOOOSE!!!!!
>>741091653>That doesn't ruin anything for me.It ruins it for me because it essentially says that my impact in the story is meaningless. I could've been watching a cutscene and nothing would've changed. If I clearly put in the effort to beat the villain, and then the hero loses anyway, I want the hero to die. He is a disgusting weakling that doesn't deserve my support.>LTTP is absolutely not "just wandering around a fantasy world slaying evil". You're given a quest to earn the assistance of the wise men,The quests are incredibly vague, and that's a good thing. Your search or Sahasrahla doesn't even involve you finding him until you've already wandered around half the map. First the sage in the sanctuary tells you to look for him in kakariko, but you don't know where that is. So you wander around. You find kakariko, but he's not there, so you search for clues. A kid happens to know where he is, then you go to the eastern ruins, and only then do you find him. The game isn't constantly holding your hand, and even if it gives you a quest marker, you still have to find your way there yourself, and unlike a bland open world sim, you can't just fly over everything. you have obstacles you have to overcome. It's minimal story impact.>I'm fine with how the Mario RPGs are written, but don't want them treated as the ideal way to write a game. Less dialogue is not better by default.I disagree. Mario IIRC never has a "win the battle, but lose in a cutscene" condition. At least I don't remember it happening. Maybe if we count the Bowletta fight from Mario&Luigi, but that seems like more of a transition into stage 2 of the fight.>They add to the feeling of seeing the world via an epic questThe only problem is that a good chunk of them are useless. Would you really miss the NPCs that don't actively contribute to progressing the main quest, like those girls in kakariko village who run inside and summon a guard to fight you?
>>741031727>samefagging
>>741091863But my favorite game ever is Final Fantasy V Advance on the GBA...
>all those posts screaming samefaglmao, they can't accept the reality that everyone is tired of their shit and hate them.
>>741084336Man, give me Xenogears back
>>741092324>my impact in the story is meaninglessMy impact in the story is meaningless no matter what, because every game either has a fixed story or a fixed set of story routes laid out by the developer. I won the fight in gameplay, the protagonist lost the fight in story. Nothing was contradicted, nothing was harmed.>If I clearly put in the effort to beat the villain, and then the hero loses anyway, I want the hero to die. He is a disgusting weakling that doesn't deserve my support.this is outright mental illness. Having real feelings about the outcomes of events in a game so strong that you want to kill the protagonist for failing to stop the antagonist when you thought they should've is mentally ill behavior. At least.>It's minimal story impact.It's still a story. The intent is clearly not just to turn you loose on a fantasy world but to give you a hero's journey to go on.>Maybe if we count the Bowletta fight from Mario&Luigi, but that seems like more of a transition into stage 2 of the fight.Literally every instance of "win the fight and lose the cutscene" in history is a transition into the rest of the game and thus the rest of the boss fights. If it's okay here it should be okay everywhere.>Would you really miss the NPCs that don't actively contribute to progressing the main quest, like those girls in kakariko village who run inside and summon a guard to fight you?Without the flavor NPCs the towns would be way too sparsely populated. They would thus not feel like towns, and so the world would feel much smaller and less interesting to explore. In short, yes, I'd miss them. I wouldn't miss their direct impact on the gameplay, but such NPCs are there for their indirect impact.
>>741031727You didn't need to humiliate OP this much bro lmao
Yeah, he’s samefagging.
>>741030927Nothing. OP is a retard.
>>741092764>I won the fight in gameplay, the protagonist lost the fight in storyThen why make me go through with the fight? Why couldn't the protagonist just win? I'm not interested in a story where my investment doesn't matter. Infact, why not just have it be a cutscene? Just as well, if you actually lose the battle, the game doesn't advance. Most of the time you just get a standard game over. So it's a humiliation ritual. At least be consistent.>Having real feelings about the outcomes of events in a game so strong that you want to kill the protagonist for failing to stop the antagonist when you thought they should've is mentally ill behaviorI don't want to support weaklings. It's why I hate marvel capeshit so much. Batman doesn't want to kill the Joker because "then I would be the real monster" as Joker is slaughtering a hospital full of orphans. If he can't nut up and do what needs to be done, I hope Batman dies. I am so sick of ineffectual jobber protagonists.>It's still a story. The intent is clearly not just to turn you loose on a fantasy world but to give you a hero's journey to go onAnd it's a hero's journey that isn't laced with yellow paint, if you get my drift. If the story respects me, then I could maybe give it some slack.>Literally every instance of "win the fight and lose the cutscene" in history is a transition into the rest of the game and thus the rest of the boss fights. If it's okay here it should be okay everywhere.It's only okay there because Mario and Luigi get back up and defy a standard game over. I don't see any of these other JRPG sissies pulling a Galuf and getting back up and defying death (and exdeath), just to give a giant middle finger to the final boss.>Without the flavor NPCs the towns would be way too sparsely populated.Personally I wouldn't miss them. Really, the actually important NPCs already make up enough to justify the town.
>>741031727Put me in the screencap
>>741093379>Then why make me go through with the fight?To progress the game.>Why couldn't the protagonist just win?Because the next state of the game that you progressed to by winning the fight didn't involve the protagonist winning.>I'm not interested in a story where my investment doesn't matter.Then you shouldn't be interested in video games at all. None of them make your investment "matter" in the sense you want them to. No, winning the fight and just having the protagonist move on and win is not what you want, you want the fight to be won in the story solely due to your gameplay efforts, a paradox.>I am so sick of ineffectual jobber protagonists.Yep, mental illness. A protagonist's job is not to accomplish the thing an outsider can peg as their objective at all possible costs.>it's a hero's journey that isn't laced with yellow paint, if you get my driftSo is Zelda up to SS.>It's only okay there because Mario and Luigi get back up and defy a standard game over.No, it's okay because there's more gameplay behind the "loss". Thus, all "win in game lose in cutscenes" is fine. The fact that the protagonist specifically immediately get back up is cosmetic and you being attached to that specific outcome is mental illness.>Personally I wouldn't miss them. Really, the actually important NPCs already make up enough to justify the town.No, they don't. Maybe if we go with Pokemon towns that literally only show you a single digit number of people and leave the rest of their assumed population to be expressed through abstraction.
>>741093831>To progress the game.And other games and genres seem to do this just fine, without cinematic accompaniment. >Because the next state of the game that you progressed to by winning the fight didn't involve the protagonist winningThen it should be changed. Hundreds, thousands of other games could do this just fine. It's not an excuse.>Then you shouldn't be interested in video games at all. None of them make your investment "matter" in the sense you want them to. No, winning the fight and just having the protagonist move on and win is not what you want, you want the fight to be won in the story solely due to your gameplay efforts, a paradox.I'm interested in games where my involvement always trumps the story. If I beat a villain, he dies. Simple as that. RTS and grand strategy games usually respect this, which is why they're a favorite genre of mine, with exceptions. >be playing empire of war>the "story" of star wars dictates that the rebels win and defeat the empire>blast their asses back to the stone age with my death star and thousands of star destroyersNow THAT is how you respect player agency.>Yep, mental illness. A protagonist's job is not to accomplish the thing an outsider can peg as their objective at all possible costs.A protag's job is to be competent. If they're supposed to beat the bad guy, then they beat the bad guy. None of this subversive rick and morty bullshit where the bad guy gets to win because the plot says so.>So is Zelda up to SS.What? Everything past LTTP had the markings of yellow paint. It only started becoming glaringly obvious around wind waker. >No, it's okay because there's more gameplay behind the "loss".ONLY because it's a Mario game. In a standard RPG, there's barely any gameplay, so that loss will usually lead to 50 minutes of cutscenes where the protag cries about their feelings, hence why it's not okay there.>No, they don't. Wasn't a problem with early pokemon. I prefer those to nu-pokemon.
>>741094484>And other games and genres seem to do this just fine, without cinematic accompaniment.But fighting the boss is gameplay, not cinematics. You have to do the gameplay to progress. That's the point.>the protagonist should never be allowed to fail if they're doing something I want done, plenty of games do this, there's no excuse>I'm interested in games where my involvement always trumps the story. If I beat a villain, he dies. Simple as that.Mental illness.>but look at this game set in a movie IP with a canonical ending that I can defy!You aren't defying the game's story, only a story that exists outside the game.>a protag's job is to be competent. If they're supposed to beat the bad guy, then they beat the bad guy.No. A protag's job is to go through their journey. It doesn't necessarily involve winning or losing. A bad guy winning temporarily in the middle of a story is an ancient fucking trope, is Aladdin "Rick and Morty" because Jafar "wins" for the middle part?>What? Everything past LTTP had the markings of yellow paintIf you consider the presence of NPCs and the (coincidental) easing of the puzzles to be "yellow paint", maybe.>so that loss will usually lead to 50 minutes of cutscenes where the protag cries about their feelings[citation needed]Go ahead and post a three to eight minute cutscene featuring a generic hopeful/saddening realization to "prove me wrong" though.>Wasn't a problem with early pokemon. I prefer those to nu-pokemon.Nu-Pokemon towns have fewer NPCs overall. Unless you're positing that "nu pokemon" began in like gen 3 and ended in gen 7-ish.
>>741030712Chasing the best graphics ended up being very expensive while also taking forever to even make a game. Meanwhile Nintendo half assing their graphics allowed them to pump out games faster and for cheaper. Nintendo is in that sweet spot right now graphics wise but the others are trap and are too arrogant to admit the problem and take a step back graphically.
>>741095052>But fighting the boss is gameplay, not cinematics.but you get treated like you're watching a cutscene, since the outcome doesn't meaningfully impact the game. if I was to cheat my way through the boss battle with godmode and whatnot, would it really be any different from just watching a cutscene? The outcome is the same. And since most JRPGs are braindead trash, I wouldn't be robbed of a gameplay experience. I don't want to progress the game if beating a boss doesn't actually beat him. It's deceptive.>Mental illnessI'm not hearing a counter argument. If the protag fails, it should only be because *I* failed. My failure earned me a bad ending. If I did nothing wrong, then everything should work.>You aren't defying the game's story, only a story that exists outside the game.Yes, I'm defying the movie with gameplay that changes the story. That's pretty much exactly how a video game should be.>is Aladdin "Rick and Morty" because Jafar "wins" for the middle part?Jafar is never defeated until the end of the movie. This would be like if Aladdin fights Jafar in a ten minute action, before he gets his genie-granted powers. aladdin soundly beats him, but then he gets back up and shrugs it off like it was nothing. Then I feel like my time was wasted.>If you consider the presence of NPCs and the (coincidental) easing of the puzzles to be "yellow paint90% of NPCs in modern Zelda games are useless, so yeah.>Go ahead and post a three to eight minute cutscene featuring a generic hopeful/saddening realization to "prove me wrong" though.The entirety of Xenoblade's last act, where you win against Egil, but then lose in the cutscene because Shulk has to be a pacifist sissy, which gets him killed by Dickson, and then we spend half an hour crying about our feelings until Shulk comes back through the power of hope and friendship, thus making his death meaningless.
>>741031727Tendies won't recover from this.
>>741095670>if I can't push buttons better to make entirely different things happen in the story, then all of this gameplay might as well be a cutscene!No. The story is the story, the gameplay is the gameplay. Success in gameplay does not equate to success in the story, but progressing through the story will almost always lead to success in the story eventually, if you're really THAT worried about it.>If the protag fails, it should only be because *I* failed. My failure earned me a bad ending.The protag is allowed to fail whenever he wants. Failure is not an "ending", bad things happening in the story is not a "punishment".>Yes, I'm defying the movie with gameplay thatFollows a story the game 100% supports. The movie is only the setting. You don't "defy the game" by winning as the empire.>This would be like if Aladdin fights Jafar in a ten minute action, before he gets his genie-granted powers. aladdin soundly beats him, but then he gets back up and shrugs it off like it was nothingSo because the struggle against Jafar that Aladdin fails is keeping his secrets/access to the genie and not a "fight" you're fine with it? Sounds pretty shallow and pointless.>NPCs are yellow paintNo.>The entirety of Xenoblade's last actIs not a long cutscene.
>>741064471Steam Deck price increase. That's it.
>>741031727Tendies really thought we were on their side
>>741087684Saved
>>741078820Indie games aren't good, they're dogshit clones of old games.
>>741096354>The story is the story, the gameplay is the gameplay.Then the story should stop butting in and dictating the gameplay so much.>but progressing through the story will almost always lead to success in the story eventuallyWell, you see that's the problem with tranime. It usually doesn't. Whether it's Trails in the Sky, or Valkyria Chronicles (I know it's not really an RPG, but the story beat applies here), it's usually some gay shit about love and friendship, and how we should forgive our hated enemies because it's heckin mean to hold a grudge, and usually it ends with a sappy non-resolution that just leaves more questions than answers. >The protag is allowed to fail whenever he wants. Failure is not an "ending", bad things happening in the story is not a "punishment".It is when they're poorly written. >Follows a story the game 100% supports.But it lets you defy it. Even if it isn't "canon" I still find it preferable to being railroaded.>So because the struggle against Jafar that Aladdin fails is keeping his secrets/access to the genie and not a "fight" you're fine with it?Because the movie doesn't blow its load in a fancy half hour action scene that's just gonna be ignored for the sake of the third act. It's properly paced, something that's too much to ask from modern JRPGs and other story heavy games.>Is not a long cutscene.to you, maybe. The whole game is pretty bad, but the final act is ball-numbingly and agonizingly boring. Just constant talking and MAYBE a minute of gameplay here and there. Just so I can be lectured about how "maybe we should forgive the evil genocidal assholes who tried to kill us."First they tried to tell me that Mumkhar was actually a good guy because Shulk wants to spare him, then they try telling me that Egil is a good guy because he had le sad backstory, and then they try to make Dickson seem sympathetic, when he isn't even sorry for dooming the whole world. At that pointed, I wanted to kill Shulk myself.
>>741096615Preferable to AAA games that are just dogshit clones of hollywood movies.
>>741096818>Then the story should stop butting in and dictating the gameplay so much.The protagonist losing in the story isn't the story butting in and dictating the gameplay.>it ends with a sappy non-resolution that just leaves more questions than answersSuccess is not killing villains. Success is solving problems.>nuh uh, story is a punishment!!!Retard.>But it lets you defyThe movie. It doesn't let you defy any part of the game itself.>Because the movie doesn't blow its load in a fancy half hour action scene thatA single boss fight is a "half hour action scene" in an hour and a half movie? Damn, man. Sounds like you're ascribing more importance to this specific boss fight than all the ones you straightforwardly win. That sounds like a bias.>to you, maybeBecause to me, gameplay is gameplay and story is story. To you, gameplay is only gameplay if the story surrounding it pleases you, in spite of your crowing about how little you care about story.
>>741097079>The protagonist losing in the story isn't the story butting in and dictating the gameplay.It is if it pretends to give me agency with a boss battle, that it then gets rid of for convenience.>Success is not killing villains. Success is solving problems.And you solve problems by killing villains. It's basic cause and effect.>The movie. It doesn't let you defy any part of the game itself.I disagree. A star wars game that doesn't punish you for wanting to be a criminal mastermind of the Zann Consortium, or a top admiral in the Imperial Navy, is doing pretty good for me. even if I'm forced to only play as the rebels, as long as I feel like I'm making progress, that would be fine too. Only the gameplay can accomplish that. The story has to follow the gameplay, not the other way around.>A single boss fight is a "half hour action scene" in an hour and a half movie?It's a waste of time regardless. >To you, gameplay is only gameplay if the story surrounding it pleases youYes. A boss battle you win, only to lose in the cutscene, is the equivalent of a walking segment in a snoy game. It's "technically" gameplay but only in the most petty of ways.
>>741097648A boss battle doesn't imply agency. It implies two outcomes: win and progress, lose and don't. 0 HP in gameplay is not obligated to be death in story, because story and gameplay are separate.>And you solve problems by KILLING I want to KILL making them not a threat in any other way is "unresolved"!!!Wrong.>A star wars game that doesn't punish you for doing "bad" things per the plot of the movies is letting you defy the game!No, the game just lets you do those things. You aren't defying anything in the game itself.>The story has to follow the gameplay, not the other way aroundThe story and the gameplay can be more or less disconnected. You have to account for the literal action seen in the gameplay in some rough sense and that's the extent of it.>Yes. A boss battle you win,You depleted the boss's HP in the gameplay. You won in the gameplay. You progressed the game. What happens in the story afterward is under no obligation to involve the boss dying just because of that.>but that's only "technically" gameplay!Why? Because it doesn't have the story results you want? The gameplay results are "win, get exp, sometimes get loot even, move on to new area"- indistinguishable from a fight where you win in the cutscene.
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>>741030927Sony fags like to falseflag Nintendo fags and throw hate at PC fags, when most Nintendo fags own PC.PC + Nintendo is ultimately the best game coverage.
>>741031727ayo
>>741098195You spergs literally spam steamdeck threads with screeching nonstop when emulation inevitably gets brought up. Snoys don't give 3 fucks about emulation so I know it's you tards.
>>741097985>0 HP in gameplay is not obligated to be death in story, because story and gameplay are separate.And that's the underlying problem. The story should exist through the gameplay. >Wrong.I've yet to see any game with a better plot than Doom in this capacity. Old Doom, not Nu-Doom. Just give me some bad guys to kill. How hard is that?>No, the game just lets you do those things. You aren't defying anything in the game itself.It's definitely defying what devs would expect. Most expect you to go all gung ho and be a heckin rebel. Most people, especially modern devs, would never understand the appeal of joining the empire, even if they technically program a way for you to do it.>You depleted the boss's HP in the gameplay. You won in the gameplay. You progressed the game. What happens in the story afterward is under no obligation to involve the boss dying just because of that.And that's where we disagree. When the player's HP hits zero, it means game over. The boss should be no exception. >Why? Because it doesn't have the story results you want? Yes, exactly. If a game's story is abhorrent enough, then I will ignore the gameplay and hate the whole game. No amount of "but what about this part of the game" can make me overlook a story that's downright insulting to the player.
>>741032048On the other hand we get Gabe yelling at his lawyers for quietly suggesting they should just roll over and get fucked in the ass by some of these
>>741098425Shitposters tend to stir the pot on both sides, saying "why buy a Switch? Just emulate it on Steamdeck, etc." Ultimately it's less about Sony vs Nintendo vs PC and more about buy fags vs brown pirates.
>>741098601>all piracy is bad!>we nintendo fans love PC by the way>but emulation is evil ;)mhm
>>741098489>The story should exist through the gameplay.And it can without subjecting the story completely to every single rule of the gameplay at all times.>Just give me some bad guys to kill. How hard is that?I like Ultrakill's story more than Doom's, as a pretty direct comparison. Magafagno's voice acting aside, it's a cool take on Dante's Inferno.>It's definitely defying what devs would expect.Irrelevant. The game wasn't designed to not allow you to do it, so you aren't "defying" shit.>When the player's HP hits zero, it means game overWhich is a gameplay thing. In the story, the main character generally doesn't die. And when they do, it's not about the amount of damage they took, it's about the story.>YES, the gameplay actually just doesn't exist when the story is bad enough in my eyes!Then your assessment of a game having no gameplay is utterly meaningless. No gameplay means no gameplay, not gameplay surrounded by story you dislike the direction of. Especially given you dislike story having a direction other than "these are bad guys, kill them to win".
>>741098601I'm surprised it's not more common knowledge in these dumb console-war threads that somebody losing his fucking mind for 300-odd posts is pretty blatantly yelling at himself and thinking he's clever for "playing both sides"
>>741097024You know what's preferable to both? Old games.
>>741031727Gif
>>741098195>tendies trying to latch onto pcevery time
>>741030712Tendies don't shoot themselves, they prefer slowly bleeding out.
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>>741098762Why shouldnt the story be subject to gameplay rules? Story and gameplay segregation is the biggest immersion killer.>you arent defying shitTo you maybe. Most devs abhor letting you play as the empire. I revel in it.>which is a gameplay thingWhy isnt it a story thing too? Again, if the story isnt following the rules of the gameplay, then neither should i. Just cheat and godmode through the whole game. >your assessment of gameplay is meaningless.I disagree. God of war has tons of gameplay, but it is shitty pseudo-gameplay meant to peddle a story, therefore it stops being gameplay. It has its gameplay card revoked. And why shouldnt it suffer from this?
>>741099975>PC fan is obese compared and a violent nigger
>>741098601>if you don't give corpo rats money u r brown!1!!You're fucking retarded nincel.
>>741098601I've noticed the discourse around Nintendo switching from>lolol just pirate switch 1 games it has no exclusives lololto>Ok you can't pirate switch 2 games but it sucks anyways none of the games are worth playing >:(
>>741100351Switch 1 games werent good regardless of emulation status. Need i remind you of slop like BOTW or metroid prime 4?
>>741100236in english now nintensaar
>>741100418And yet this board was spammed with Anons emulating BotW on the Deck and PC.
>>741100192I don't give a shit about immersion. Story and gameplay segregation is always visible no matter how hard the game tries, so I don't care to see them waste effort pursuing its removal.>Most devs abhor letting you play as the empire.And you believe that's... because of the movies? Somehow?>Again, if the story isnt following the rules of the gameplay, then neither should i. Then you're playing for the story and not for the gameplay, aren't you? If the story is what ultimately makes or breaks the gameplay as worthwhile...>God of war has tons of gameplay, but it is shitty pseudo-gameplay You can stop there and be correct. It's pseudo gameplay not because it's peddling a story, but because it's shit and would be shit even if the story were completely different.
>>741100450Good morning SAAAAR!Tell me, how is the weather in New Delhi right now?
>>741063160You can jailbreak consoles as well.
>>741098496Because I think his lawyers are secretly also in his competition's pockets, and they want Steam to become a publicly traded business that can be ruined by investor interest.
>>741100520Yeah, they only try to brick themselves every step of the way if you so much as look in that direction.
>>741063160No, but you can at least re-sell physical games on console.
>>741100574It's just what makes the most legal sense or puts Valve the least at legal risk is oftentimes not what Valve wants their lawyers to actually argue
>>741100615When's the last time you did it?Jailbreaking last gen consoles is super easy and you can even do it to a PS5 with an old bios.>>741100621
>>741030927>jack up the price of a years old piece of hardware no one was buying anymore with the explicit goal of subsidizing the new one?Do you legitimately believe that's how it fucking works?
>>741100457>i dont care about immersionUm...you ARE the same guy from earlier, right? The one that defended extraneous npcs in zelda because it made the game feel more "immersive"? Now you dont care?>you believe that's because of the moviesThat and the pretentious modern hollywood dev mindset. Kinda like how the same devs were shocked that people didnt instantly want to murder children in wolfenstein, just because they had a nazi relative.>then you're playing for the storyNo, i still play for the gameplay, but abhorrent story can turn me off. Like someone plopping a turd onto my plate. Dont ask me to simply ignore it, the stench alone makes my stomach churn.>it would be shit even if the story was differentThe game wouldnt even exist if not for the californian/hollywood hacks at the helm. Not a good look for story heavy games.
>>741031915>Otherwise they're a mainly a storefront that puts out massive discounts frequently.Steam literally has the same sales every console webstore has on their own sales
>>741100929>The one that defended extraneous npcs in zelda because it made the game feel more "immersive"?I didn't say that. I said they help enhance a specific feeling the game is meant to evoke. The vividness of every single feeling the game invokes is not "immersion", immersion is more about your ability to engage with the setting as if it were real. At least as far as I can gather. I've never felt nor given a shit about immersion. The bounds of the game are always obvious.>That and the pretentious modern hollywood dev mindset.Yeah, no. Those devs think you should want to play the rebels and the rebels only because they believe resonating in any capacity with the "space nazis" is a mark of bad evil wrong thoughts. They would wipe their ass with the movies if they could, and often do with the writing in their own ways.>No, i still play for the gameplay, but abhorrent story can turn me off.True! Actual abhorrent story can. Good thing "the protagonist didn't murder everyone I identified as a problem" isn't abhorrent story.>The game wouldnt even exist if not for the californian hacks at the helmCorrect! Hollywood has jack shit to do with it. Story is not an outside idea to video games. It isn't an invader looking to parasitically attach. People who see video games as lesser storytelling media than movies are the parasite, not story itself.
>>741031727>The Snoy Macaco continues to samefag
>>741101494you got raped in front of everyone
>>741101494weeeeeeellll looky here boys, seems like the tendie ain't quite broke yet
>>741038371The same mental illness that makes anons search the archive or IP stalk posts
>>741101440>I said they help enhance a specific feeling the game is meant to evoke. Sounds the same to me, personally. They both achieve the same goal.>Those devs think you should want to play the rebels and the rebels only Precisely. Hence why i dont believe in respecting developer intentions, especially in regards to the story. Infact, one of my favorite things is installing romhacks to change the story.>actual abhorrent story can. Good thing "the protagonist didn't murder everyone I identified as a problem" isn't abhorrent story.Once more i must disagree. All i ask from a dev is to give me a viable reason why complete and total genocide isnt a viable solution. For example, i give mario a pass on not killing bowser because this is essentially routine for them. Foil a kidnapping. Go golfing, play some smash bros. At this point they are basically frenemies. However, you can bet that mario isnt above brutally murdering anyone that upsets the status quo. Just ask smithy, dimentio, fawful, cackletta, antasma, the shadow queen, etc.
>>741101494>Image is about Palworld and Nintendo>Calls out anon as a SnoyYou can't find this level of retardation anywhere else than in the Nintendo community
>>741101982>immersion is the same as anything a game tries to make you feelDamn, that's reductive as hell.>yeah devs don't like how I think so I want to "defy" them by playing their games and following their rulesMhm.>All i ask from a dev is to give me a viable reason why complete and total genocide isnt a viable solutionIt doesn't have to be a completely unviable solution. There just has to be another solution. Because genocide is not preferable.>but I prefer itBecause you are mentally ill and switch between valuing gameplay and story on a dime to justify your enormous ego being at the mercy of the "Hollywood devs" you so despise.The protagonist losing in the story is not a "humiliation ritual".
>>741102219>thats reductiveYeah, it is. Thanks for noticing.>it doesnt have to be completely unviableAnd yet the options they present can barely even hit that low bar.>Because you are mentally ill and switch between valuing gameplay and story on a dimeI value both, but they must work together. That means no segregation between them.>The protagonist losing in the story is not a "humiliation ritualIt is when there is zero reason for it, and the game has to half ass a justication.
Are the tendies or anti-tendieniggers winning right now?
>>741030712Nintendo has what the other competitors( very loosely since they all suck) don't have
>>741102468>im proud of being reductive>the devs just have to try really really really really really hard to undercut anything that I personally might dislike at all times otherwise they secretly want me executed>I want no segregation and also gameplay rules to be 100% law so actually I just want "story" to be the characters reacting to what I "choose" to do (and never negatively because that's rude and evil and mean)>the protagonist isn't justified to lose because the gameplay said otherwise!!! No I don't care about anything other than the gameplay, so why is the story (that I don't care about) doing this thing that invalidates the gameplay (I still win, get experience, and progress to the next area, in gameplay)?
>Nintendo has what the other competitors( very loosely since they all suck) don't have
>>741102832Based! Impeccabe fashion sense!
>>741102731Unironically yes to all statements. Gameplay is king, story exists to serve the gameplay. There is no argument. End of discussion.
>>741102882Gameplay exists to make you feel things. So does story. They can and do coexist. Your ego makes you angry when story "contradicts" gameplay.A character dying is the domain of story. A character hitting 0 HP is the domain of gameplay. If the enemy hits 0 HP, then you progress to the next area, the gameplay consequence of winning was respected. The contents of the cutscene don't matter to the gameplay if that is truly what you care about. Just go with the flow.
>>741102989OR i could play a game that respects the gameplay and puts the story in its place.
>>741103113Your ego is the size of a planet and as fragile as glass. You project this in how you view story. Consider fixing that rather than complaining when games damage your weak brain.
