Why
>>741070375>muh indie gamesif you publish on Steam, you're not indie, Valve is your publisher
people are having fun with gachasluts while you are here wasting your time on 4chan seething about random people spending their money wrong or some shit
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>>741070375>People using money on things i don't like instead of using money on things i like
>>741070413That's crazy cause steam lists the publisher too
>>741070375Gacha gamers don't need a good game, they need an addiction
>>741070375>paying>for fucking vidya
>>741070375Because reward structures plus graphical fidelity plus fomo. Why would i give a fuck about some indie shit that looks like a flash game from 2003, just because it's cheap?
>>741070375Probably because the satisfaction for them comes from the gambling aspect.
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>>741070427>>741070456
>>741070604Gachafags have no defense against this
>>741070375there isnt a 5dollar indie game thats more fun
>>741070413Are you retarded? Steam is a digital storefront. Valve is the owner of said storefront. A publisher acts as a middle man for devs to get their products in stores. If a dev doesn't have a publisher, they need to negotiate with Valve directly to get their game listed, that is what is known as 'self-publishing'. I don't understand why retards like you, who know nothing about a subject, always feel the need to open your mouth and give your spastic opinions.
phones can't run indie games silly.
>>741070375They don't like video games, they don't want to be challenged. They want to combine the dopamine from shopping (spending currency) with the dopamine from both porn and gambling. They're junkies who have as much self control as a rat in a skinner box.
funding gacha funds the continuation of the gamefunding indie devs funds the dev's ego
>>741070697No, retard. "Self-published" would mean you have your own website/storefront where you sell your game.
>>741070375The difference between a gacha game that gives me cute grils, and an indie game that doesn't, is immeasurable and immaterial.
>>741070831Game? What game? Paying money for pictures of women? Why would I want to fund that when I can spend money on an actual video game?
>>741070953>Game? What game?the gacha game referred to in OP. If you have a problem with that take it up with OP not me.
>>741070850>every self-published author opens their own bookstore to sell their bookthat's your logic. sounds like you're in fact, the retard, champ.
>>741070375Because they're normalfaggots, hence they only care about sex and women. However, they can't get them IRL, so they get into a hobby that provides substitutes. They also try to convince themselves that they "don't care about real women" to lessen the pain of their impotence to get what they want.If they got a real woman, they would never play a video game again, because they don't care about them in the least.
>>741070413It's worse than that.Most ''indies'' already have a publisher they must pay a cut to and then on top of that they have to pay gay-ben his share as well ,so in effect it's like having two publishers
>>741070953Actual video game might not have pretty girls. You gotta fund the things you want to see more of.
>>741071008fuck off retard
>>741071014name one self-published author, I'll wait
>>741071032Or I could buy a game with pretty girls and have a game to play too rather than trying to invest in a company hoping they one day make something actually fun
>>741070375That $5 indie game is gay as fuck tho
>>741071031make your own storefront and take lower cuts
>>741070375Imagine a world where gacha games never took off
>>741070375Because gambling is the main draw
>>741071225Imagine a world where the Playstation 1 didn't become the household entertainment system, and the videogame hobby was never flooded with casual fucktards.Thanks Sony.
>>741071225Gacha gambling is just the natural evolution of microtransactions and loot crates. As soon as that shit is ok, so many worse things follow it.Being okay with loot crates is the equivalent of just trying "a little opium". Blink and then suddenly everything is fucked forever.
>>741071371>snoy seethe out of nowhere Kill yourself tendiejeet
>>741071371I'd be fine if the gaming froze in the PS2 era and stopped "advancing" from there>>741071423Of course gacha is just a symptom of microtransactions, lootboxes and other nonsense should have never become profitable either
filipinos >broke>stupid
>>741070375Porn addiction is one hell of a thing
>>741070413Only on /v/ would you see a retard who can't distinguish between a publisher and a storefront
>>741070375You can pirate the indie gameYou can't pirate the huge boobed lady on a bikini JPG
>>741071847>google>save image and gif>done
>>741070375>indie gameNice try indiegger
>>741070375It's gambling in gaming form. Nations understand how destructive gambling is and most heavily restrict if not outright ban it, but hilariously shove it into a chore simulator and game companies are permitted to turn children into addicts while fleecing them of their allowance.
>>741070375>spending>indie games
>>741070375Sex good. Game no sex game bad.There's like 50 threads at all times talking about how removing sexy women from games is destruction of the white race or something.
>>741070375No coom no buyIf i want gameplay then i just buy any aaa game
>>741071032>Actual video game might not have pretty girlsA lot of them do. Stop pretending that's what you want. What you want are ecchi games that largely died off a decade ago. Ironically, because you retards signaled to developers that you'll engage with egregiously monetized skinner boxes for your fap material.
>>741070375I have yet to see the "10 times more fun" and the 4.99 price tag on any game. Gacha on the other hand are free to play, unless you are a drug addict. I would much rather play a "mid" gacha for free than a western tranny game for which I have to pay 90 bucks for.
>>741071815how is selling your game different from publishing your game?
>>741070375Poor turdie will not understand since they only pirate slop
>>741072234>playYou log in 5 minutes a day to run the same handful of boring daily quests so you can gamba on the gacha. You aren't having fun. You're fulfilling an obligation so you can get your fix like some drug addict.
>>741070375Gacha games are free. You can play them on the shitter or in your bed. And it's pretty easy to get what characters you want without spending money.Real games are more engaging, but they both have a place.>>741072331If you just want to grind currency, look for that in an idle game. With a gacha you do some story missions, pvp, an event or crossover quest, and maybe some minigames. Newer gachas have open worlds with exploration and puzzles.
>>741070375there's like 5 good indies
>>741070813A shitty mid range poco phone with snapdragon 8 elite can run ghost of tsushima at 30fps via windows emulation. Tech illiterate chud
>>741070375Videogames usually appeal to the part of your game that likes to make progress.Gacha games introduce lots of grinding to level up a character and constantly add new characters to keep you from beating the game.Paying let you speed up grinding and unlocking even more characters so you're never done.Indies can't compete with that level of skinner box conditioning
>>741072563You're not getting a snapdragon 8 elite for cheap you fucking retard
>>741070375I'm not supporting you shitty earthbound like with quirky humor indie game, fuck off
>>741072721Instead you'll support 2D Flash game #412 because it has animated JPGs of lewd anime girls.
>>741070427>Oh my gawd, just let people enjoy things.
>>741072768>Y-you are enjoying things wrong!
>>741072812Are you really enjoying something, or are you just a pathetic addict whose dopamine receptors are fried and needs his fix just to get back to normal?
>>741070813Wtf the definition isn't even correct. Third World was the countries not aligned with the US (first world) nor the USSR (second). It applied to places like Switzerland and Sweden. It was only after the end of the Cold War that Economist reading homos decided it was a shorthand for "poor". Fucking internet making the world dumber. AI is probably going to menory hole the actual definition since it doesn't serve the muh niggers.
>>741072952Posted in Filipines
Gacha games give me pretty characters I am attracted to indie trash has ugly troons.
>>741070456kill yourself
>>741072894Yeah, there's no meaning of live except what meaning we choose to pursue and if that's what someone has chosen, we should let them have it.
>>741073042You couldn't even name 10 indie games if your life depended on it.
>>741072812It's not even just that. It's that you're being advantage of by people in suits who rely on predatory marketing tactics instead of providing an actual well made product that excels in different areas of the medium like story, graphics, ideas, gameplay, innovation and so on.
Remember when 4chan was supposed to be a place for basement dwellers to talk about things they liked without being shamed for it?
>>741073042I also get those same pretty characters by simply going to danbooru and looking at their photos, without having to engage with the skinner box.
>>741073332And then the gachafags came
>>741073332Brother you have like 30 threads just about telling everyone how cool it is to like sex. Go in any of those and jerk yourself and your comrades off on your amazing tastes.
>>741073332You were mocked and ridiculed even back then if you did something exceptionally stupid, like playing gacha games.
>>741072894>Are you really enjoying somethingThat's subjective so it's irrelevantIf I'm engaging with something then yeah likely I enjoy it>bla bla bla dopamine receptors (learned one buzzword) bla blahere's the (You) bro>>741073180>It's not even just that.No it's only that.>you're being advantage of by people in suits who rely on predatory marketing tacticsYou can apply the same logic to literally anything you ever did in your life, games are just another manifestation of that. If you pretend like you don't actually buy the shit that you don't need then yeah go ahead post the picture of the cabin in the woods/mountains where you live, I'll wait.Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to do or buy something, so if you fell for marketing tactics then it's entirely on you.>an actual well made productAnd who are you to decide what is a well made product and what is not? It's fun to play, it has interesting characters/story>different areas of the medium like story, graphics, ideas, gameplay, innovation and so onAgain and who is an authority on that? I would argue gachaslot with gachasluts performs much better in any of those departments than the majority of games recently released.
>>741073332Nah you can't hide behind that flag faggot. Gacha games are pure subhuman golem goy cattle material for ironic weebs and failed normalfags.
I posted your image on reddit and successfully ragebaited thousands of gachacattles, thanks OP!
>>741073468>You can apply the same logic to literally anything you ever did in your lifeI am not buying things because my dick gets hard or I see the number go up. I am buying them because I think they're well made and worth the support.>well what if I think that it's well made because it makes my dick hard and I like the number go upwell then you're just an abused animal
>>741073536post the link coward
>>741070375>saar please just $5 for our indian games very good bundle dealjeets arent even trying anymore
>I posted a meme where you look silly for saying "Let people enjoy things" therefore I win the argument
>>741073332I remember /v/ used to hate gaas shit.
>>741073160I have no interest in troon propaganda yeah
>>741073662Atleast those pictures are used to convey information and not just call the other person tranny or incel.
>>741073662Concession accepted.
>>741073332/V/ hated gacha fag, but overall yeah, on this shithole you were left alone without getting shit on by normal fags, but those times are gone anon
>>741073580>I am not buying things because my dick gets hard or I see the number go upYour dick getting hard and number go up are not the only factors involved in decision making, so I repeat the question, why are you seething at others supposedly buying subpar marketing slop while engaging in the same activity and what makes you an authority on deciding what is well made and what is not instead of simply admitting that you, according to your entirely subjective judgement, don't gachas (which makes it even more retarded that you are here seethign about them instead of shutting the hell up and enjoying your well made products or whatever)?>well then you're just an abused animalAnimals can't do strawmans (because that wasn't the argument and nobody said it, you just made that shit up) like you just did so animals are better and more valuable than (You).
>>741070375>get super sick (something with pancreas)>hospitilized>couldnt move for 2 days>got kinda ok >hospital room is super boring with only cable tv>dont have access to PC, so my only option is phone game>Decided to install "isekai slow life" because i was into isekai anime>shit is literally the most boring (press spacebar to win) shit ever, even cookie clicker is more fun>game also constantly creates new servers>as i joined fresh server, few players already purchased vip 9>all they got is few JPGs they can jerk of too and some strong weapon>apparently this is a norm in this kind of gamesGacha is so bizzare to me
>>741070427>while you are here wasting your time on 4chanthis was unironically said within a post on 4chan. I knew gachsturbators were a bit brain damaged but holy kek
>>741073868>Your dick getting hard and number go up are not the only factors involved in decision makingThen why the fuck does anyone buy gacha or other goonbait??????
>>741070427Meanwhile these gachachads create hundreds of threads everyday about "ugly western women and how they're ruining the video games".
>>741073897>Gacha is so bizzare to meIt makes sense once you view them as playgrounds for whales and dolphins to lord over peasants.
>>741073945>gachsturbatorskek I'm stealing that one
>>741073589https://www.reddit.com/r/whenthe/comments/1u5h7r2/why/https://www.reddit.com/r/Shark_Park/comments/1u5guvd/why/https://www.reddit.com/r/shitposting/comments/1u5h865/why/So fun I did it 3 times and i got a shit ton of coping gachafucks everytime
Every day we get anti-gachafags seething and making threads alerting everyone that gachas live rent free in their head. How sad and pathetic to obsess over something you supposedly hate.
>>741074223Your reality is so distorted.
>>741073962>Then why the fuck does anyone buy gacha or other goonbait??????because they are fun, deal with that>>741073945You are missing completely the pointshitposting for (You)s is fun as well, but wasting your time to seethe at others doing something you don't approve of is highest orders of retardation>>741074212kek based, I wonder how you weren't downvoted or some mode didn't spergout and nuke your shitposton 4chan you would get like 15 (You)s and that's it so it's not worth it
>>7410742234chan is a ragebait site.Cant blame us for going the easy way since you are all so easy to provoke
>>741074317>because they are fun, deal with thatNo. Because they make your dick go hard and number go up. Remove these elements and you stop buying them. Woweeeh.
>>741073180ALL video games are products and so all of them are designed to "take advantage" of you.
>>741074212damn gachacucks are so mindbroken it's not even funny i feel bad for them
I've been playing Arknights since release and have never spent even a single dime in it
>>741074212>limbus fans trying their hardest to cope that their game isnt just as shitMaybe in its first year but atp its just another generic gacha with powercreep and p2w bullshit. Its so fucking on the nose that the game now lets you pay 5 bucks to reverse losses lmao
>>741074317>You are missing completely the point>shitposting for (You)s is fun as well, but wasting your time to seethe at others doing something you don't approve of is highest orders of retardation>i was just pretending to be retarded
>>741074380Whens the last time you played one? How does something like Age of Empires take advantage of the player?
>>741074380Real games:>Make a game people want to buy and slap a price tag on itGacha games:>Make the game free, then come up with a million ways to manipulate people into spending money>You can't make it too fun, because people won't spend>Timegate every single shit>Make up fake currencies and not allow people to buy specific amount of currency, so they always have leftover>Make content limited to pressure people to spend>Put in million popups>Force them to log in every day by artificially gating content to build a habit>Sell subscriptions that you lose out on if you don't do the same>CLAIM CLAIM CLAIM>Put gambling in the game>RED DOT RED DOT RED DOT>Put milage and pity to fully exploit the sunk cost fallacy>Frustrate the player into impulse purchases>Put in constant power creep, that pressure them into obtaining new units>Once you made the money just shut down the servers, and don't even bother leaving the game playable
>>741074434>I've only had to spend my free time on this errand simulator, a finite resource that even the wealthiest people wish they had more of. I am smart.
>>741072812Yes, you brazillian tranny, yes you are.
>>741074360>NoAgain who are you to say that>Because they make your dick go hard and number go upThis is your opinion and it's obviously wrong, as I said there are other factors that influence decision making and why someone might prefer gachaslopAnd fine, let's play your game for a minute, assume it's true and those are the only two relevant factors and everything else is irrelevant, so what? Again who are you to say that a game that makes me hard and makes numbers go up is bad? Bad compared to what, a game that makes your dick go limp and numbers don't even show up?>Remove these elements and you stop buying themIt's really like saying remove rolling and third person perspective from fromsoftslop and you will stop buying them, or remove first person shooting from FPS games and you will stop buying them. Weird logic.>>741074567>Trannies out of nowherethe mind of a poltard everyone
>>741073662Last 6234123512317123578125612365 you posted "Let people enjoy things" and got genuine arguments - you didn't acknowledge them and used your anonymity on this website to pretend like they were never posted when you wrote "Let people enjoy things" again.Letting scum like you overrun the website unopposed is just gonna kill what little quality there is left, so your opposition is streamlining itself.
>>741074652>>Trannies out of nowhere>the mind of a poltard everyone
>>741074805Any particular reason why you have that saved on your ssd (or hdd if you are broke)?
>>741074834>Any particular reason why you have that saved on your ssd (or hdd if you are broke)?
>>741074893>if I post a random webm I winok
>>741074652It isn't opinion. It is irrefutable fact that seeing shapes that look like fertile members of the opposite sex it readies your dick for the act of penetration and shoots up dopamine up your brain so that your species doesn't die to extinction. And putting numbers that go up tell your brain that there is progress being made and progress is another big metric that the brain uses for survival.Meanwhile having your game be fps or 3rd person doesn't take advantage of the human brain in such ways. It is just a game genre related setting used to portray different games. And games can be good with their good art, stories, ideas, puzzles, challenges, and so on... Not on relying some reptile brain abuse.
>>741070375It's not 2012 anymore. I would put the minimum for a decently enjoyable indie game at $11.99 + tax. Anything priced at five bucks is almost sure to be some mobile-tier garbage.
>>741070375I see cute girls I spend all my money it's that simple
>>741074946>It isn't opinionIt is, and what is even worse it's completely unfounded and uninformed.>Meanwhile having your game be fps or 3rd person doesn't take advantage of the human brain in such waysOh yeah because normal games for well adjusted individuals totally lack sexy women and numbers going up and other forms of progression (story, levelling, etc) I forgot that but it's totally different right>And games can be good with their good art, stories, ideas, puzzles, challengesand gacha games, supposedly, according to your totally important and authoritative opinion, lack good art/stories/ideas/puzzles/challenges therefore they are not real games, just digital drugs to destroy your brain or something (a 60yo senile boomer would say this)do you even realize how silly you sound when you could just admit that you personally don't like gachaslop and just move on?
>>741074490Limbusfags are the ultimate "n-no i'm not as bad as them, p-please don't hate me!" fags, it's fucking pathetic, even worse knowing that PM made two actual games before it that most Limbusfags don't even bother playing.
>>741070375Gambling feels like sex
>>741070375>indie games>funIndie games are as bad as AAA games, in that for every good game, there's hundreds of shitty poorly made clones. Quit acting like every indie game is a gem.
>>741074490Even the writing quality decreased and the director is just ITCHING to replace the limbus fucks with the OCs he actually gave a shit about. The past like 5 months is almost entirely just about the squad of the next game the dev teams going to make.
>>741075345No one said that
>>741075134How do you think that I am supposed to read the rest of the post when you try to tell that getting happy from seeing lust provoking imaginery is just an opinion when ALL the living beings rely on that mechanic?..And your "but gacha has actually good story and gameplay" doesn't add up. If that was true then why doesn't anyone play these games without the typical gacha mechanics and traps?
>>741070375I don't want to understand how gacha "gamers" think
>>741070375>WhyI play Nikke for the story.
>ackhually it's not about my penis, gacha is just fun!Then where are all the gachas where you gamble on something other than hot girls?
>>741071124Not possible, steamies would shit themselves in anger over it
>>741070375It's a bunch of neurotic people who genuinely GENUINELY fall in love with the characters & story.I don't know what's wrong with them, but redirecting them to indie games isn't exactly the better move you think it is, because gachas are kinda high budget productions these days, and the gacha players tend to prefer the braindead gameplay. They have to be, even chinks allegedly claimed Neverness to Everness "felt like work" because for once in their life a gacha game had more to do than 5 min dailies.That said, the gameplay is still as braindead as it's peers, at least in combat terms.Personally I've never spent a single cent on a gacha game's "wishes" "pulls" or "rolls", but I am guilty of giving money to their retarded 5 dollar subscriptions (which I now see as the ultimate predatory thing because they're "cheap" specifically for the reason of making the player WILLINGLY sign a contract of "I will log in every day or I will have paid for nothing"This is a double win for the gacha game, because they not only get paid, but they also get a FOMO'd dweeb logging in daily, giving them both the concurrent players as well as funding.
>>741072698Retard
>>741075489No you don't.If each Nikke character was changed in to a realistic 3D modern weg design or men, you would not be playing it.Be honest about it, you play because it was free to download and you continue playing because you're constantly under the newest fomo and dopamine trickle from cute girls
>indie games>funYeah I wanna play a pixelshit platformer with a sub-plot of depression for the 500th time. Or a quirky earthbound inspired gay western RPG
>>741075834lolGo back to your shithole
>>741075432What you did here is, once again, simply dishonest.You keep stressing the muh dick point which is fair, however notice that I never even attempted to refute the>erm actually it's in your biology to see a potential mate and dick goes hard you see I won you lost bla bla blapoint (if you can even call it that), what I was actually refuting and why you failed to address with each reply is this>the FUN is made entirely out of sluts and numbers going onthey are parts of the appeal of course (and nobody said otherwise), but saying they are the only things that make people stick with gacha games is, once again (and I repeat myself but you keep avoiding it), not the only thing that impacts decision making and why someone might want to play gacha games.Believe it or not I personally know individuals who enjoy the story and the lore much more than the superficial "haha sluts lol" aspect because they can see beyond the superficial immediate things.Again, let's play your game, let's just assume for a moment that the sex and numbers go up are the only reasons why you would ever play the game, so why wouldn't someone just watch porn and gamble instead? They are better at satisfying both urges, why would you stick with a gacha where you might need to read the plat of the next chapter or whatever? Do you see how wrong you are or you will still insist on dying on the hill that you created entirely by yourself?>why doesn't anyone play these games without the typical gacha mechanics and traps?As I did with the FPS example, because it's obviously part of the appeal, but it's not the whole thing. If I want to collect jpegs of anime sluts I play gacha. If I want rollslop I play dark souls.Again (I know you will just say "aint reading that lol cope"), TLDR:1) I never argued against basic biology (that you keep stressing for some unknown reason)2) You refuse to admit that you simply don't like something without having any real opinions about it whatsoever
>>741070375Gacha games are a form of parasocial fulfilment. In most games the characters are simply, well, characters. They fill a role in a story. In gacha games, the characters (mostly women) you unlock and upgrade are part of YOUR story. By obtaining and upgrading a character, some people get the feeling that they've entered into a relationship with that character, that the character is "theirs."Of course, they're just pixels on a screen that have no value whatsoever in the real world and will ultimately be lost whenever the servers shut down, but for a brief moment they can make a fucking loser feel like a member of the opposite sex wants him.
>>741075972Make me
>>741070375I like hot women and I like when they're pandering to me, and to be completely honest that does not exist to the degree or fullness that it does in gacha. There is literally no answer to it, the absolute most that can be mustered in response is a 2 hour LN or the most hideous 3D WEG you've ever seen since the last one. I'm also not a poorfag.
>>741076164At least you're honest that you're a pathetic little fuck who wants a harem wish fulfillment.
>>741075981You find gacha better than just watching porn because there is the sense of commitment and progress you're making. And for some spending more money just further enhances that and they end up getting addicted to spending.But then again... If it's not so important THEN WHY IS IT ALWAYS USED IN THE GAME? WHY NOT MAKE A GAME LIKE THAT BUT WITHOUT SEX AND MECHANICS LIKE HERE >>741074517
>>741076225I want that too. Just not in gacha. You gay or falseflagging?
>>741070375Party/grid building in granblue fantasy is satisfying and nuanced in a way that most RPGs can't really provide. And I play a lot of RPGs.
>>741076306>You find gacha better than just watching porn because there is the sense of commitment and progress you're making. And for some spending more money just further enhances that and they end up getting addicted to spendingyou are simply going around the issue instead of addressing the question head on>THEN WHY IS IT ALWAYS USED IN THE GAME?I already addressed it multiple timeswhy do you roll or parry in fromslop? why can't you make fromslop without that?why do you shoot at things in FPS games? why can't you make and FPS without that?etc>BUT WITHOUT SEX AND MECHANICSagain, it's already established that even supposedly normal AAA games for regular well adjusted individuals have the sex appeal and predatory microtransactions, so why are you only seething at gachas then?
>>741076225Video games exist for entertainment and nothing more. I'm the sort of manchild that seeks to derive amusement from the things I do. The only reason I'm replying to you is because it's funny.
>>741074517That isnât just gacha, itâs all F2P slop. Itâs been that way since fucking farmville. Warframe isnât a gacha and literally every single thing you said applies to it. All F2P games hate their players, itâs by design, and itâs why F2P games universally and without exception suck ass
I would spend but only if its Japanese. Not funding some California/Portland/Montreal slop.
>>741076447>>741076483Nta, but all microtransaction shit game needs to die, gachashit is just the most obnoxious and the catalog always full of gacha ads.
>>741076447I thought we already established that sex is fundamental part of the survival of every living species and you even agreed on that. Now we're going backwards again just so that we can run the loop again.YOU ARE HERE ON THIS PLANET RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF A MECHANISM THAT MAKES YOU HAPPY WHEN SEEING SOMETHING SEXUAL. AND YOU'RE COMPARING THAT LEVEL OF POWER TO A "ROLL IN FROMSLOP".
>post it on 4chan>hordes of gacha fans defending their game>post this on reddit>hordes of gacha fans defending their game>post this on twitter>hordes of gacha fans defending their gameIs it truly over? Is the majority of gamers gacha slaves?
>>741070427TRUEEEEE
>>741073332I am glad all the fags can put aside their differences and bash the gacha fags for being subhumans
>>741076831Gacha games manipulate their users into defending their games by the constant threat of EoS if they don't make enough money for them.Gacha is a cult at this point.
>>741076831Point me to a game community that does not get defensive if you call them retarded manchildren.
>>741076746>Now we're going backwards again just so that we can run the loop again.you keep reiterating the same points over and over there's nothing I can do about it, nobody is arguing against biology and you failed to address in a meaningful way why it's supposedly bad about gachas specificallyagain1) Assuming it's true that as you claim sex and grind is the whole appeal, then wouldn't people just interact with things that are better at satisfying both urges?2) Assuming it's true that sex and grind is the whole appeal of gachas, and as you claim supposedly sex is such an important and powerful factor in our lives, then would it be bad specifically in gachas and not everywhere else? I mean it's so essential to the survival of our species so what's wrong with it. 3) It's part of the appeal, so what? You watch porn if you want to stare at naked bitches. You play gachas to collect jpegs of sluts. Again I fail to see how the "it's actually like rollslop" point is invalidated by what you said. Those things are just part of the appeal, if you don't like them then don't interact with them. Are there other games where you have to roll? Sure, but none does it like fromslop. Are there games wherer you stare at anime bitches? Sure, but none does it like gachaslop. So again I reiterate the question, what's wrong with it and why it can't be used in games and what's your problem with it?
>>741073332/v/ also used to talk about videogames and derided retards who played gacha.But then a new demographic came to the epic hacker website and since they're all poor and horny teenagers all they want to talk about is shit that's on their phones.
>>741077074I only called the game boring though, its you who added those adjectives
>>741070375they don't want to play videogames, they want to get skinned in the skinnerbox
>>741076483Feel free to fuck off to your arcade shmup or whatever high density meme game you play then. I will spend my money how i see fit, including blowing it all on limited waifu rolls, and there is nothing you can do to stop me.
I am AetherGODI am CHADlusI am WiseLORDI am RoverKINGI am EndMINISTERI am GudASCENDANTI am SenseiSULTANI am ShikikanEMPERORI am the TRUE flame of life. Clad in flesh, blood and mine OWN WILL.A man chooses. A slave obeys.I am.... self-insert haremCHAD; the TARGET AUDIENCE.
>>741070375it's a mystery
>>741073332Covid tourists need to be flayed alive.
>>741070375Those are two different audiences, gacha players don't want a traditional video game
>>741076831They're a vocal minority.
>>741074517people forget how it also affects core game design due to them being planned as forever gamesHSR party members and ZZZ characters are purposefully heavily stripped down compared to console game equivalents because they need to keep making characters for the rest of the time
>>741076831On sites with like you would realize that usually most people agree with that.The most retarded screams the loudest
>>741077725With likes*Likes as in agreement points. Upvotes. Thumbsups.
>>741075594>steamies would shit themselves in anger over itis shitting themselves in anger an euphemism for completely ignoring it due to lacking basic features like shopping cart, forums, other video games, online servers, friendslists, or a wishlist?
>>741074929>>if I post a random webm I win>ok
>>741070375The game?Some barely playtested card based roguelite mudcore slop #56839 with a dumb title using Dark, Keeper, or Spire; in any combination thereof.If youre lucky maybe it has some actual art and not those lazy bland Atari-grade sprites. If youre doubly lucky maybe it has actual music and not ambient whitenoise with free sfx randomly tossed in.
>>741078331>gachafag has shit tastesColor me suprised!
>>741070375indie games don't cater to my waifus findom NTR fetish though
>>741074212Salty Indonesians mass reported them and got them taken down lmfaoShouldve posted it in hours where white people are online.
>>741078331>Meanwhile large budget gachaslop getting caught using AI generated assets for the 316748th time
>>741070375
>>741070375Because your shitty indie game does not, in fact, contain ten times the fun.
>>7410786439.5. My bad
>>741078643Fried dopamine receptors
>>741070375indie is too woke, i'll keep gachaing for free
>>741073897its gambling plus addictiveits just to roll the dice
>>741078781I can strawman too
>>741078893one out of thousands of gachayou sure showed me!
>>741070375Handheld mindset of playing in short bursts taken to the extreme while passively spending money
>>741073580>I am buying them because I think they're well made and worth the supportThis is gonna blow your tiny little retard brain but so are gachafags. I know it sounds crazy and you won't be able to wrap your single-digit IQ around it but people spend money on things they enjoy and enjoy things that aren't what you enjoy. Most people are able to grasp this concept in elementary school but I understand that's a little bit too advanced for you so I'll cut you some slack.
Only libtards play indieslop
>>741078947I can look up more if you want it so bad
>>741079085still less games than the average indie
>>741079167Every mihiyo game is made for gay teen girls anyways
>>741079167Is that the new goalpost? Maybe just don't play the woke games.
>>741079272such as?
>>741078331Anon, why do you hate Dome Keeper so much? It's a good quality game.Ironically, my favorite deckbuilder has "Dark" in it.
>>741070427>People are having fun with gachaslutsNone of which actually requires you to spend a single dime. A single penny.Your âfunâ is simply jerking off so much to cookie cutter anime girls porn that your dick gets rug burn from jerking off with your hairy palms.At no point does a gacha game require you to spend half of a personâs life savings for you to jerk off to anime girls.Most of you donât even actually fucking jerk it WHILE playing the games. You on Danbooru, Gelbooru, Rule34, Rule34Paheal, Twitter, Tumblr, PornHub, SakuraComplex, nhentai, sad panda, etc. to find fan art to jerk off too.You dumb niggers are literally âhaving funâ with gachasluts for free already, but like a fucking slave, you compel yourself to waist comically large amounts of money on a predatory system until you get the a girl you want through complete random chance specifically designed to get you addicted.
>>741070375Does the indie game appeal to my aesthetic sense of taste in girls? If yes then I have already bought it. If no then kindly FUCK OFF & HAVE GOOD GAME PLAY
>>741070375I'm friends with a gachafaggot. He's autistic and can't commit himself to a real game. I assume he just needs something incremental and repetitive to numb his senses until he has an excuse to go to sleep. He also spends a lot of time in the nikke general on /vg/, so I assume it also serves as a low effort entry into a community to hang out in. It's just a bored man's excuse to do something low energy while he doesn't feel like any game he sees is worth committing to.I used to be like that when I still played MMOs. Log into your garbage, do your dailies, do the new ranked PvP season, same motions, something you know, something you don't have to rediscover or spend a whole day getting into.I hope he breaks out of that lame cycle.
>>741079479>Your âfunâ is (schizo babble)
>>741073332Remember when /v/ was elitist and the worst insult you could hurl at an anon was *casual*?
>>741070375>insteadwhat makes you think not both?
>>741080312The anons above
>>741070456>Elon Musk is now a Trillionaire (mostly from Tax payer money and coming from a wealthy family)>He already uses his wealth to lobby the government to make shit worse for regular people (H1B visas, AI data centers, poisoning fucking water, etc.) so he can become richer, >âWhy does HIS money and how he spends it bother you so much?âHow people spend their money or âtheirâ money does in fact affect me.
>>741080312The closest thing to actual games gachafags will play are f2p hero shooters and mobas.
>>741070375But I already buy fun indie games like Sea Power : Naval Combat in the Missile Age, or Intravenous 1 & 2, or Besiege. And I don't buy AAA slop like COD or whatever AAA shit /v/ is rightfully complaining about again.I just have good taste and I buy the games I'm interested in that also deserve to be buyboughted. Oh you mean why aren't I funding shitty indie devs? Hahahahaha not my problem.
>>741080815They aren't even aware most games that exist since they never even browse storefronts.
>>741070375So the gaming corporations can go whaling with hyper-advanced skinner boxes and make more money than a small country
Gacha whales usually don't care about the game, they're just coomers collecting waifus.
>>741074223wait until you hear about jews, trannies and indians
>>741070375Because most indie shit that goes for $5 is not "10 times more fun".
>>7410770951) because gachas and similar products have very low bar for interaction so its more easily accessible and once you've been lured they can start pulling out the rest of the tricks, why seek out meaningful relationships or do something productive when you can just simulate those feelings in a game and then develop multiple depressive disorders because that time spent never materialised into anything2) it's not just limited to "gachas", every product/service that uses sex in marketing is just cheap tactics3) because it's fucking fundamental part of every living animals brain and they're wired to have sex but there is no sex, there isn't even a real woman present its just pixels that look like a woman, there is no possibility of breeding, yet your dick and brain still behaves the same, you're being taken advantage of
>all indie are bad causeâŠ.undertaleGrow up faggot.
>>741070375>Indie game>FunLmao. Miss me with that gay shit
>>741070375Most indie games are just janky-ass, dogshit cookie-cutter games that try to copy other already successful games, with many of them stuck in this limbo of the 'early access' phase where they try to bait people to buy their game with their 'innovative' gameplay footage.
>>741083191Like clockwork.
>>741083212You just described gachas
>>741083212Ok but what if there was indie gacha? Would it be a masterpiece then?
>>741072247valve just gives you a space on their platform to sell, they don't fund you, market, handle your licenses, manage your release or anything else, that's all on you/your publisheryou can argue that they market a little bit with sales and store ads but that hardly constitutes doing everything that a publisher is responsible for
>>741082361>because gachas and similar products have very low bar for interactionWho are you to say that?Interesting characters, interesting story etc, if you can't see past the boobs then it's entirely on you.>why seek out meaningful relationships or do something productive translation: erm goy stop enjoying things and go work or somethingwhy play video games then? why watch movies? who go for walks? you are not productive, you must be productive 24/7, sell your children to Baal/Moloch, make money your religionmost people are perfectly capable to distinguish fiction from reality, I'm sure picrel didn't prevent people from making families and being productive, this is just projection, you can do both>develop multiple depressive disordersthank you for competent and accurate psychological evaluation I guess, didn't know people needed one>that time spent never materialised into anythingagain with this entirely puritan muttoid mentality that everything you do must translate in some gain/compensation otherwise it's pointlessby this logic you should be paid to make those retarded posts because 4chan is a waste of time and a replacement of socialization>every product/service that uses sex in marketing is just cheap tacticsNot sure what your problems is, just don't engage with that product, it's really simple.An if it's present there but not for marketing purposes then it's totally fine right?>because it's fucking fundamental part of every living animals brainYou said that like 5 or 6 times. Yeah so what? Again this is part of the appeal, you don't find it appealing then it's fine, but there's not need to make up random stories about people who actually enjoy it. >but there is no sexWhich is literally how it works in reality as well? You are not entitled to that, it can happen but it's not a guarantee, by this logic the irl thing is also bad because you get hard but don't get sex so your being taken advantage of. Again your logic simply makes no sense.
>>741073332gambling addicts should be shamed
>>741070375But what about 10 times the boobs?
>>741071032So you admit not caring about videogames Get out of my entertainment
>>741073671Gachagoyim
>>741083504>Interesting characters, interesting story etc, if you can't see past the boobs then it's entirely on you.well why can't they make interesting character without boobs and sexy outfits then, what's up with that? or is that what "interesting character" to you is? then you're just after porn, not the actual character. you can see same shit in "woke threads", all the talk about how characters can only be interesting if they look sexy, and if they don't look sexy they are not interesting.>translation: if you don't want to consume gacha you're a goyyou are so sad, people are profiting from you and this is how you think>not sure what the problem is, just ignore itok, but you will still engage with it and this shit has more reason to exist which is why people hate you niggers to begin with>Which is literally how it works in reality as well? You are not entitled to that, it can happen but it's not a guarantee, by this logic the irl thing is also bad because you get hard but don't get sex so your being taken advantage of. Again your logic simply makes no sense.yes it can happen, which is why the impulse is there to drive it, but it cannot happen with porn
>>741083715You are worse than gacha faggots
>>741070375And what is this $5 super-fun indie game worth my time?
>>741084010Nobody is worse than them
>>741083375I knew someone was going to make this statement, so no shit, Sherlock, I know.Get this fact straight: this kind of problem is not exclusive to JUST indie games nor gacha games. You're going to find most of these games just being dogshit games with no visible quality other than trying to appeal to a market. But you either find one diamond between these piles of trash or fuck off and avoid these forms of media entirely like a plague.>>741083385No, it won't. Just adding gacha or hot anime girls into a game doesn't automatically make a game a masterpiece. It boils down to what you find entertaining and what's not, so it all points to being just another subjective opinion.
AAA games aren't any better. Forza Horizon 6 is gatcha-tier.
>>741084101Blasphemous 2 is on sale
>>741071032>i like funding live-service skinner boxes
>>741070375Loads of indie games suck though. Same with gacha games.
>>741084157People who hate pretty women are def worse
>>741070641>>741072768Zased
>>741084303 Gacha games are more REAL games than $70 console slop that many of you are accustomed to and conditioned to think to be the only legitimate video games. But we're not ready to have that adult conversation because you are too addicted to the old game industry.
>>741073332I remember everyone shitting on DLC, preorders, mobile games, and those who bought/played them. Then we got gacha and FGO/FEH got their own /v/ generals
>>741084412>But how can I make this about AAA games?
>>741083992>well why can't they make interesting character without boobs and sexy outfits thenBecause it's not part of the appealAgain it's like trying to make fromslop without rolling or european castles or whatever, good luck doing that>all the talk about how characters can only be interesting if they look sexy,nobody ever said that, I just don't want to stare at ugly abominations that's all>if you don't want to consume gacha you're a goythat's not what I said, if you have to twist words to come up with some argument then it doesn't really hold any way valueaddress the following points unless you want to keep acting dishonest:How gachas prevent you from being a productive person and creating relationships or whatever? In which way they are different from any other pursuits?Are things that don't bring any gain/compensation pointless, yes or no?This would explain your flawed mentality, simply answer the questions that you avoid addressing.>but you will still engage with it And? Is that a problem for you? (btw it's not necessarily true, I don't even play gacha games myself, but your spergout is simply pointless as you keep proving with each reply)>which is why people hate you niggers to begin withOnly you seem to have some weird problem with it to the point that you had to bring up >be productive broout of nowhere which again is not related to the subject in any way.You don't actually have a funded and informed opinion about gachas, you just repeat whatever goes through your mind like a robot.>but it cannot happen with pornYou are missing the point. You can easily be lied to and convinced that it can happen when it's simply impossible just to be taken advantage of.How is this any different from the gachas at which you are sperging out like that?As I said people are more than capable to discern reality from fiction, nobody plans to fuck their phone so the point make even less sense.
Most gacha addicts aren't playing anything, they are completing a daily chore lists which is mostly just navigating menus and clicking certain things, rolling once in a while, then masturbating to the characters and talking to the community about masturbating to the characters.
>>741076831The issue with gachagoyim scum, is that their games aren't really theirs.They can't just play them endlessly, stopgaps are made so that they have to return later.Because of that, in order to save that spot, they have to engage in secondary garbage.Which is why they're very vocal. They're literally getting cucked out of their very own game every time they use all their energy resources
>>741084365People who like 1% of women and hate 99% of women are better how?
>>741084412even if we ignore the gambling aspect completely, they're still live-service dogshit that will inevitably be deleted and take all your money with it>erm how's that different from [other game]i don't play that shit either because i don't fund things I think are bad
>>741073332No? I remember shaming each being a huge part of it since like 2008.
>>741084519truth nuke
i really want to spend four ninety nine on video game
>>741070375Do indie games have hot anime girls who confess how much they love you?I haven't seen any.
>>741078643What fun is there in rolling dailies and maximizing shit for banners as if it was busy work
>>741084528I have genuinely no I dea what are you refering to by that
>>741078781Slave
>>741084736People who are okay with normal women are part of the woke agenda.
>>741070375>getting 10 time the funBWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>741084635youtube has those in spades without any of the filler that gachas have
>>741084806Huh?
>>741084010I am worse because I am actually into a videogame that isn't a ponzi scheme?
>>741070375oh! people who sperg out about gacha games are indie devs...
>>741070427Kek. Yeah. This is like women getting mad at men going to strip clubs
>>741084882Stop playing stupid. It's all over the catalogue.
>>741070456you tell em queen
>>741084927You are worse because you claim wanting pretty women in games means that that person doesn't care about video games.
>>741085051>Actual videogames might not have pretty girlsI'm quoting (You). You explicitly said that videogames don't have pretty girls, as if the game is secondary to the girls.You're a secondary fuck that has contaminated my entertainment with shitty games that people latch onto because of cheap goonslopBut ok do tell me how I am a bad person
>>741070375Maybe indie games should be adding hot naked anime titties to their indie games and stories about owning a harem of hot naked anime tittiesOh wait the h-game scene already does this and is the only indie scene I initeract with.
>>741085159You are also accuse me of being that person for example.I just hate ugly trannies like you, and I don't want to see them in games.
>>741084829But I want the interaction and level designs that come with big gacha games.Games like NTE, HSR, and Wuwa have nice worlds and hot girls with lots of pandering. I'm open to playing non-gacha games that can provide similar levels of immersion but they're so rare since like 2020 you really don't see them being made.
>>741070491Even better, they're not paying for vidyaThey're paying for playing virtual slotsSlots that dont give any cash back, just a minuscule chance of getting a powercrep unitThat will be made irrelevant by the next updatePOINT AT THEMPOINT AT THEM AND LAUGHTHE ABSOLUTE STATE OF GACHANIGGERS
>>741070674But there are $15-20 games that are
>>741070427fpbp
>>741070427I jerk off to porn of gachasluts constantly and I have never played a minute of gacha. Imagine actually doing shit like dailies lmao
OP half of the male population are incels, why do you think this stuff is able to thrive. They even made one for roasties who think they deserve gigachad when they look like a typical lot lizard
>>741084512>>well why can't they make interesting character without boobs and sexy outfits then>Because it's not part of the appealyes so the appeal is lust>>all the talk about how characters can only be interesting if they look sexy,>nobody ever said that, I just don't want to stare at ugly abominations that's allyou just said that in the last sentence lmao>How gachas prevent you from being a productive person and creating relationships or whatever?because it's signaling your brain that you've achieved a status where you have women you nigger, you think it's just a coincidence that the people engaging with these "games" are also never having sex and countries like japan are hitting alltime low birth rates>you are missing the point, women are evil and cheat on you>people can tell apart reality and fictionthen why is your dick and brain signaling you to breed when there is no womb nearby, clearly it doesn't fucking know shit
>>741070427>people actively ruining vidya by being the worst cattle imaginable while signaling to devs that pornslop is the most profitable and coombrains will guzzle down any shit.Gee I wonder why gacha niggers are looked down on.
>>741085024"Just let people enjoy things" is probably the most toxic mentality of the last two decades.Fags having parades?>"Omg, just let people enjoy things!!"Manchildren spending four figures per quarter on shitty mtx, figurines or gacha?>"Omg, just let people enjoy things!!"Women spending thousands on retarded "brand name" fashion, overpriced coffee, pointless luxuries and vanity?>"Omg, just let people enjoy things!!"People desecrating their bodies with excessive obesity, drugs, weed, cutting, tattoos, piercings etc>"Omg, just let people enjoy things!!"Boomers wasting their lifesavings on their midlife crising boat, motorcycle, convertible etc>"Omg, just let people enjoy things!!"Idiot millenials, zoomers and alphoomers wasting their inheritance on literally anything that isn't future proof?>"Omg, just let people enjoy things!!"Any kind of trooner surgery, HRT, breast reduction, dick mutilation etc>"Omg, just let people enjoy things!!"Porn addicts, gambling addicts, slipperysloping degeneracy and normalization of the worst "sins">"Omg, just let people enjoy things!!"
>>741070375Okay then show me an indie game full of cute barefoot lolis
>>741085326>10 years from now (at best)>Chink corpo's profit dip below optimal gains>Gacha is unceremoniously slammed into the trashcan (where it belongs) and put into EoS>The thousands of dollars the mindless goycattle dumped into the game, for minimal return, is flushed down into nothingness. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Nyet.>Nothing to show back for it>Except for the cumstainsI'd pity these people, if I considered them human in the first place
>>741073332I don't. Get in a time machine and try making an Assassin's Creed, COD, Halo or Minecraft thread 15 years ago. Go even further and see how many replies a sincere Nintendo IP/console thread gets.
>>741085618>Porn addicts, gambling addicts, slipperysloping degeneracy and normalization of the worst "sins"All those are literal aspects of gacha
>>741085567> while signaling to devs that pornslop is the most profitable Yeah thats the point. They should stop putting ugly ass characters in video games. No one wants to play 45 year old aunt in latest Soi of War
>>741070375Why would I give money to some pretentious fuck who thinks that he can do a game?
>indie game>funpick one
>>741085862Yes so much better to give it to someone who doesn't even try to make a game. I hate video games after all.
>>741070375it's fucking gambling, i know.I spent thousands on genshin, close to one thousand on hsr.Now i don't play either of them anymore cause the games are shit now and i woke up.I spent money on other gacha too, blue archive, pocket tcg, infinity nikki.Only ones i'mn playing now are nte and wuwa.I only get the monthly pass now but even then i think i'll give up.i want to play regular games again.i played pragmata and donkey kong bananza and loved it, they awoke my desire for games again.
>>741076831They've basically hit market cap at this point at least. They did it without making anything I like too (despite my best efforts because I genuinely like the idea of a long term bonsai rpg) so I'm free.
>>741085618You're mad because you have no money and therefore can enjoy nothing.
>>741085830>instead they should put naked retards flopping everywhere beneath a helicopter flaps out and tits bouncing like spastic adhd retardsGacha niggers are addicted to porn and gambling
>>741086104>you must consoom and have more and more things to be happyEnjoy your funkopops I guess
>>741073332Remember when we told furfags to yiff in hell?
>>741070375stupid aah image. the point is the dopamine hit of the gacha. THAT is the fun of it. its not comparable to going bing bing wahoo in a platformer or whatever. its comparing apples and oranges like you see a nigga having fun working on a car or something and youre like "erm why are you doing that you can be learning how to draw" or sumn
>>741070375This sounds like it was made by a very salty indie dev
>>741078471Holy shit why is it always third worldersWhat is with gacha that entraps all the room temp IQ retards and turns them into corporate crusaders, even when the trainwreck of a game they stand for doesnt have massive flopping titties they will still shed blood, shit and tears defending their right to be farmed
>>741072952come on retard you think when people use "third world" nowadays theyre referring to "the countries not aligned with the US (first world) nor the USSR (second)"? use your fucking brain
I play two gachas and have never spent a cent on gambling in either. I can't understand why so many people treat it as the default. I don't give a shit about every new unit they add in one, and in the other, I haven't needed to gamble ever to get every new unit.
>>741072952>third worlder getting mad about how "third world" is used
>>741070375They dont want to play video games. They want to gather around something and be a part of a community. They want to ship characters and be tribalistic over most nonsensical shit in bland and non offensive gacha stories where no one is actually bad.
>>741073897For example, have you ever grinded for hours in diablo for an specific drop, something you can upgrade one of your current slots? You wasted hours mowing down mobs just to get a new piece you'll probably discard somewhere down the line, but you still feel satisfied because there was a stake, a commitment performed and fulfilled, that gave you the satisfaction of completing a choreNow consider, there's some fucked up tohught shortcut where retards think, that dumping their hard earned money (their stake) into the slots, and coming out on top, after suffering losses, that consider that small victory extreme, and so they commit over and over, except they dont ever get any cash to make it even, just virtual goods, and they end up numbing themselves to the point not even getting their drop feels good, the only thrill they have left is the risk of wasting their money on the difital slots
>>741073332It's your fault for being pompous and refusing to accept criticism. When someone said they didn't like gacha, you were quick to accuse them of being a tranny westoid who hates fun.So sad, too bad.
>>741086608Has to be some sort of envy thing.
>>741074434That's even worseYou're engaging with kneecapped mechanics designed to lead you into spending money, getting blueballed by player retention mechanics that scientifically measured the exact point up to which they can nag, annoy and coerce the average player into dumping money into transitory goods without pushing him out of the game and keeping him exposed to the milking mechanics.You're not outsmarting the chinese megacorpo, you're the second degree priority in the leaderboard, because you're still consuming and being exposed to predatory practices with the intent of normalizing themYou're such a fucking tool you dont even realize you're one
>>741087797>you don't feel driven to gamble when playing these games that are supposed to be gambling vortexes?>you're brainwashed even worse!!!Or... gacha games are not inherently meant solely for gambling and players who gamble.
>>741087884With gacha, every system is balanced around the gacha, so I dunno about that mane.
>seethe when game characters aren't hot and spam how you won't boughtered the game>seethe when game characters are hot and other people spendered their moneywhat do you even want
>>741070432Cute selfie
>>741087797>buzzword throwing imbecile thinks he is above everyone elseI always disliked gachas and then friend forced me to give genshin and HSR a try. And as expected they were awful games. But then I tried Arknights (old AK not Endfield) and realised that it is actually better than most non gacha games of that type. A lot of stages have very interesting gimmicks that make you use your brain rather than "I need the most OP unit right now!" Some people cant beat those levels EVEN while owning those OP shilled units and have to look up guides.Also, you need good units with certain gimmicks only for the end game. You can beat the story with only 4 and 5 stars and that alone is more than 50 hours of gameplay, in a free game.
>>741073332gacha games aren't video games!! that's why they're called gacha games!! it is a design philosophy that poisons their makeup from the ground up!! they will NEVER be trve vidcons!! same with GAAS and MMOs
>>741087989Then many gachas are balanced horrifically and should collapse instantaneously if your theory is correct. Limbus Company, for instance, is NOT staying afloat on people who spend money every banner because they want to jerk off to the characters/keep up with the meta.
>>741072563what if I dont like ghost of sushi? I dont like action games and I detest 3d unreal engine garbage, I want 2D anime girls, I would fucking play air hockey manager sims if it had anime girls of the 2D variant.
Because they are designed to be psychologically addictive.
I like how you can play rollercoaster tycoon, zoo tycoon, stardew valley or sims because its "le comfy" but if you say that you play a gacha game for the same reason, people have a aneurysm for some reason.
>>741070375Which indie game gets regular updates every six weeks for six years?
>>741088451I'm going to bet it doesn't have much in the way of individual character progression besides inflating their stats and maybe unlocking a passive or two, stats which you increase by running daily dungeons and hoping you get the right drops, limited by daily stamina, all of which is necessary to do some manner of weekly/monthly reward for more gacha currency, so you can roll to further power up your existing units with dupes or get new ones to fill out your team, so on and so forth
>>741088420>games arent gamesI think your brain is having internal bleeding buddy.
>>741088845You got like two points half right.Shards are used to purchase new Identities. All Identities are alternate appearances and skill sets for one of your twelve base units, with each of them having their own count of Shards. Rolling a dupe gets you Shards for that character. There is no other benefit to dupes at all.You also get Shards for your party member of choice by doing dungeons. Your first dungeon clear in a week has a big bonus infusion of shards.Free gacha currency comes from weekly maintenance compensation and clearing new story stages as they're added.The rarest shit in the gacha is 1.3%, you don't ever have to roll to get it thanks to the Shard system, and you get enough currency to hit pity on a banner for free every couple months.
>>741088647>I'm mentally deficientok?
>>741070375Indies>le depression troon questGacha>Big booby girl saying she loves youYeah I wonder why people pick the latterWas kinda expecting indie recs in this thread but it's just a shitshow
Blue Archive has a better story and characters than 99 percent of games.
>>741076831If drugs werent frowned upon, you'd have an extreme reaction if you posted something similar that called out drugsBut gachas arent frowned upon. We need to make gachashit a social stigma before we can rid ourselves of exploitative practices, otherwise we'll be constant subject to these until corpos are forced to behave by a magnitude above them, much like the food industry would instantly lace your chips with near lethal doses of fent if they were allowed to
>>741083605Chibis are the most lazy slop part of gacha followed by trying to farm player engagement with dailies.
>>741089582Gachas aren't worthy of the social stigma you're trying to give them. That's why this whole crusade has never worked and gacha has only gained ground. Because you absolute retard niggers feel a need to argue about made up bullshit and not the gachas that actually exist and how they exist.
>>741089012It's an humerous oxymoron, but your brain is too fried by the digital slots to notice
>>741089817I don't play any digital slots. I play two gachas, though.>b-but those areI don't gamble for characters. If I actually want them I go to pity. I don't often actually want them.
>>741089813>Gachas aren't worthy of the social stigma you're trying to give themI'm not even bother reading the rest of your postStop coping, you're a digital junkie, even actual fent zombies would laugh at you
>>741089879>I dont play digital slots>I play digital slots, though
>>741089582>WEYou're not gonna do shit you're just going to complain online
>>741089582There's a stigma against gambling but people do it anyway. Can't do much about addicts
>>741089817>n-no, y-you s-see I admit I called them games, as a j-jokenow say it without crying, retard.
>>741089879You're doing the same mental backflips to justify playing the slots that my grandma did
>>741088743>boss simulator>slopcattle slave simulator (pay to win)???
>>741086005>the games are shit now>nowThey were always shit, (you) retard.
>>741070375Depends. Does your indie game have a cute girl?
>>741089995>>741090209>it's "mental backflips" to recognize when you are leaving things to chance, and thus, gamblingSure thing buddy.
>>741090047>Ad reductioTwo can play this gameBehold:
gachas are better console games than console games themselves
>>741084613This is why you see people fighting AGAINST more content in their games, which would be baffling to normal people but not gacha gamers.Normal people think "I want more content"Gacha gamers think "This just adds more time to my daily list of chores because I need to keep up with 5 gachas already to get all the currency.
>>741090432Most gachas when they add new content aren't adding it to the dailies cycle, so your argument sounds like it's based on either a position you heard people take in one specific gacha's fandom, or complete bullshit.
>>741090224>Different people find different things comfy>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO ADOPT MY DEFINITION OF EVERYTHING!!!"Kill yourself retard.
>>741070813>outdatedUsed till the current day in mainstream media and reporting>derogatoryNo more than pointing out that someone is poor is derogatory>a class of economically developing nations.Not the actual definition, only used that way colloquially.>InvestopediaWe're supposed to take investment advice from someone who got this many things wrong in a single sentence and single definition?Who wrote this, Larry Fink?
>>741084613There's this one guy in the group I'm in that not only does this, but has an schedule to keep up with the timings of how long it should take to complete each of these sessions.He's also a brownoid, coincidentally
>>741090558They dont add to the daily cycle but for example, HSR fans bitched about having "too many trash mob fights" so devs made all mobs FACE THE WALL so you dont even have to engage them. Whenever theres a new event, I see complaints on how it takes too much time to do things. This is not only HSR but several different gachas. From what I see, it all boils down to "stop wasting my time, because my time is very valuable since I have to play 4 other gachas and also shitpost about ships for 10 hours on a Tajik turophile forum!"
>>741090572one is a complete, finished gamethe other is gaas slop designed from the ground up to edge you up to just one step before the breaking point.
>>741090708That sounds like the fans were really asking for more boss fights and only got "satisfied" by a reduction in common enemy fights creating a more favorable proportion of boss fights.I don't personally know of any gachas where players have legitimately complained about "too much stuff to do". At worst they complain that the stuff they're expected to do the most is too repetitive.
>>741090852Is this "breaking point" in the room with us?
Poors will come up with literally an excuse to dislike gacha.Sour grapes are so potent.
>>741090391ZIP ZAP ZIP ZIP ZIP ZAP ZAP227 4574 1168ZIP ZAP ZAP ZIP3590 2838ZOOP DA WHOOP7847 2553ZIBBLE DIBBLE734 1488ZAMN *teleports behind you*1966 7846PIU PAU POU3 0 0 0 PTS!!>enemy hp bar drops less than 5%someone post that gif with the hyped retard staring at flashing lights
>>741090572>sicko finds smashing his own balls with a hammer comfy>NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT MY MENTAL ILLNESSok.
>>741091181You do the same with fighting games, beat em ups and rhythm games though. That argument is just invalid
>>741091181Wait video games are designed to be... FUN?!
>>741091371>>741091181>>741090391
>>741091567>92KBimpressive
>>741091567All videogames are flashing lights though.
>>741091567This is just what normalfags think of gamers in general.
>>741070375They're addicted to the live service elements and psychological tricks.
>>741091257>this game is like smashing your own balls with a hammer!!!>"no">YOURE MENTALLY ILL!!! STOP PLAYING GACHA!!!Seethe.
>>741091567Kek, funny gif. But you're the retard here if you think games aren't videos flashing fancy things at you in general to keep your dopamine levels up. Oh right, you don't play games and just here to shitpost.
>>741072952Definition somehow... has changed.It's whatever, no one but academics or pedants uses third world as a Cold War reference anymore. Now, it means over-abundance of niggers and scarcity of cash.
>>741091886>>741071325>>741090391
(You)you earned it
(you) don't even play games. Why are you at /v/. Must be indian and trannies
>>741092112PC gaming is just as brown coded.
>>741070413>if your game is sold in walmart, walmart is the publisher
>p-pwease buy my twanny gameno lol
>>741092112The stereotypes just keep proving themselves
>>741092626browns cant afford pcs
>>741090572It's like drugs. Everyone finds it fun because that's what it is designed to do to your nervous system. It's just that some people have a spine things would be better if the rest grew one too.
>>741092896Valve admitted 70% of Steam users have PCs less powerful than the Steam Machine. And PCfags make a big deal about being able to easily pirate games for a reason.
>>741093141>Everyone finds it fun because that's what it is designed to do to your nervous system.And yet I am not being tricked into any of the behaviors I am repeatedly told that the developers are trying to instill in me. I am just as likely (read: not at all) to spend money on the right to gamble for a character I don't need as I was before I started playing them.
>>741093141>equating a fun little toy to chemical drugsOh heavens have mercy. Better ask Anon for his permission to enjoy rock n roll or other such demonic passtimes!
>>741070375Pay?Spend?
>>741093381Not everyone likes rock n roll, there is no evolutionary programming that makes you do that.
>>741070375Gacha gamers blah blah blah instead of just typing âanime tittiesâ into any search engine.
>>741093837There is no evolutionary programming that makes me enjoy gacha either.
>>741091181No this is more like that joke cyberpunk webm where the guy constantly rotates the camera
>>741093837Not everyone likes gacha games as evidenced by this thread, but some retards are trying to claim that it's crack cocaine that people need to be protected from when it is in fact, lucid consenting adults spending money they can afford to part with on a hobby they enjoy.
>>741093931They like to pretend they're still human hence the larp.
>>741093967You really don't know about gambling? Nah, you do. You're just pretending to not like every little shit liek you does.
>>741070375I do both actually.
>>741091181Zoomers believe that FAST = complex and good. They're incapable of comprehending good combat design.
>>741094093Boomers do this look. See: Path of Exile. zip zap zup kaboom number bing bong ding loot ding dong.
>>741094052I'm not gambling at all, though. Never have.
>>741094052>You really don't know about gambling?Let me tell you about gambling.It's an ancient and extremely masculine passtime that has persisted throughout history.It's enjoyed by men with the confidence and stature to be able to risk their financial wealth, lose it all, and continue with their life.People who shy away from gambling are effeminate beta cucks who talk about nonsense like "getting their moneys worth" while wasting their money on God knows what instead, to them losing money is a disaster they might never recover from because they're so inept at creating wealth in the first place.I mean if you can't handle the heat, go ahead and stay out of the kitchen, but don't sperg out at the people who can actually tolerate it.
>>741070375Cause the majority of indie games are dogshit made by laid off activists now. And gacha games let people play for free while the whales keep everything afloat by giving people stuff they actually want instead of arguing with the customer. You'd know this already if you stopped intentionally feigning ignorance. You're not ever gonna get a different answer. 1+1 will ALWAYS = 2.
>>741070413This is a real "um actually playing online on PC isn't free because you have to pay your internet bill" kind of opinion.
>>741092690Correct.
>>741094328>that one chibi-robo DS game is actually published by Walmart and not NintendoDamn.
>>741071225Yeah imagine a world without WoW, horse armor and EA lootboxes. I rather have fucking gacha.
>>741072812No, you aren't enjoying things at all actually. It's not even a matter of right or wrong. You're chasing cheap and quick dopamine as a complete substitute for any form of meaningful experience. I don't really give a fuck if people play gacha or watch porn, but these are both things you should do in moderation and neither should be your primary form of "entertainment" because they offer nothing more than a quick jump to your dopamine levels. Frankly, if a gacha game is your most played game at any point, you need help, because you're not playing a video game anymore, you're just someone addicted to the flashing colors, random numbers, and and half naked women on screen.
>>741070413I dont think you know what a publisher is
>>741070456Yes thats why anime and games have gone to shit. Too many people with garbage taste ruined my hobby
>>741072952Truth hurts doesn't it third world
>>741075594Why would the customers get mad at paying less at your store? The person losing money at that point is the store owner.
>This entire threadHoly gachafag copeThere's none deafer than the unwilling to listen
>>741094538Do you people not have any down time wherein you're never going to be anywhere near your computer/consoles anyway? Why in the world would I do time consuming stuff in a gacha when I have actual access to my PC? I do the maintenance tasks and grinding in time that would otherwise be a complete void.
>>741085567Trvke nvke
>>741070375Gachabrowns don't play games, they just have a crippling addiction to gambling and porn
>gacha gameplay>tap screen to make girl jpg jiggle>BotW clone>one button action games>idle pvp with p2w stat grindingNo seriously, how is this better?
>>741096885But enough about WoWfags
>>741073897asians and slavs love them because their nations were groomed with exploitative f2p and p2w games
>>741074517>Make a game people want to buy and slap a price tag on itThat stopped being true years ago for AAA
>>741070375>indie games>funlole enjoy your NÂș 95462154461 pixelshit platformer about depression and trooning out
>>741073332Broke indie devs trannies keep being mad
>gachachads having fun>/v/seething and demanding gachachads conform to their gay shitYall are the same as wokies kek
>gacha game launches>money stolen
>>741102049>global version both announced and EOS'd in the same postWhat?
It's easy to tell that OP is a troll that has never even checked a gameplay of the games they hate. They are probably one of those people that call Genshin "Japanese pedo MMORPG".Not only it's hard to find good indie game (vast majority of them are trash, and those that aren't are simply popular, because they are good; all the others that aren't popular are the garbage nobody talks about), but it's rarely under $20 to begin with. There are games that are cheaper and still amazing, but that's not the rule.But going back to gacha, you can play multiple types of games. I am currently replaying Tomb Raider survival trilogy, waiting for Sea of Sorrow for Silksong, happy for the announcement of Spyro: A Real Beyond, longing to get Gothic 1 Remake and Digimon Story: Time Stranger, as well as playing Genshin and Star Rail in the meantime. And these are just few titles out of plenty I've played or want to play. Original The Sims fan. Fan of the Tomb Raider franchise since first game. Rayman. Dark Souls. Half-Life. Darksiders. Metal Gear. And so much more.Yet people like OP is giving labels to people, just because they play a gacha game. They assume everyone mindlessly blow all their money on that game and don't play anything else. Even if majority of players never spend a single cent and even if they do it's usually a small amount.
>>741071014If you're not selling your games on the side of the street like a lemonade stand then you're not indie.
>>741070375Let stupid people do stupid things. It keeps them out of our spaces.
>>741070375Those $5 indie games can't me hard tho
>>741073468>And who are you to decide what is a well made product and what is not?not that guy but I assume he has some kind of ->STANDARDS<- ?? Where as you, pitiful creature, arguing nobody should have any standards and everything is meaningless anyway. What is that, some new fallacy? I'm calling it The Appeal to Slop (assuming everyone is as retarded and without baseline standards as you).
>>741070375Same mental illness as gambling addiction, it's not hard to understand.
>>741102769good morning saar
>>741070427Why are you wasting your time on 4chan right now instead of having fun with your gachasluts? You seem sad.
>>741071371Sega would probably still end up killing themselves regardless of what happened with Playstation, Sony merely escalated their fall. At best the Dreamcast would've lived for a little longer and maybe a 7th gen SEGA console would have been a thing, at worse they'd still call it quits during the 6th gen.Microsoft would still try to enter the ring and Nintendo would still gravitate towards making their games easier for babies.
>>741071371meds
>>741071371Nigger before sony sega was the dudebro cinematic/sports slop console in the industry somebody would have taken the normalfag mantle regardless of what company.
>>741104135he blew his load early and now he has to wait for his corpo overlords to reset his dailySuch is the life of a gachaslave
