>fast ui>consistent sales>doesn't randomly log you out for no reason>elite controller support>works great with linuxit just works, every other launcher can go get mogged
>>741136169>fast uiAlready lost me
I tried gog once and it failed on all the points mentioned abovesteam clears
>>741136169>fast uilmao didn't read after that
>>741136169>>fast uifaster than EGS sure, but it's still pretty slow for no good reason
>>741136169>fast ui
>>741136185>I hate optimizationbased retard
>>741136290The point is that steam's UI is slow as shit
>>741136185still faster than the rest
>>741136169Was invented solely so Half Life 2, a 6 hour game at full price, was tied to your email account so you couldn't resell it/loan it out/rent it since Gabe admitted it wasn't worth the money at full price and needed a way to stop losing moneyThis is ignoring the other shit he's done to ruin gaming like making steam a monopoly, encouraging literal scams in the form of 'early access' and allowing publishers to jack up prices and revoke access to your games as needed
>fast uisetamjeet shill thread failed before it started
>>741136169>every ui is unnecessary big noware people getting blind or smth? why is everything so fucking big and in your face now
>>741136185>>741136261>>741136279>>741136289>>741136330>>741136369Works on my machine.
>>741136380made for touchscreens
>>741136381it's shit even with high end pc, saar
>>741136169>fast UIholy bait
>>741136330>steam's UI is slow as shitany proof to backup your claim?
>all these toasterfags outing themselves with the fast UI commentlmao
>>741136169They made ui worse tho. The first time they fucked up with ui in my memory, but fucked up it nonetheless
I pirate games so exe mogs all lauchers.
>>741136426I ain't your "saar", saar. There's nothing slow about the Steam client. Get a real PC or get out.
>>741136471see >>741136426you fucked up your thread, saar>>741136503you don't even use steam poo mando the needful and remake the thread or you won't afford cow poo next month
>>741136502you're like 20 years old lil man
>anons expose themselves having slow internetGood bait
>>741136570remake the thread already idiot, you fucked up
>>741136541>unc already jealous of my young ageOkay LUL
Upgrade your potatoes, Pajeets.
>>741136535Sorry, but I'm not interested in this poorfag larp
>>741136169it's monopoly, period>inb4 b-butshut up, it's monopoly. also you're anti-semitic.
>>741136586why would I be jealous of someone who didn't have a proper childhood lmao
>>741136169>>fast uiValve certainly have put in work to mitigate the web shit, but it's not really *properly* fast like a native application.
>>741136535I just pre-ordered the digital deluxe versions of five games (and thinking about pre-ordering five more) because I am literally related to the King of Saudi Arabia though?
I don't get these "steam is slow" posts.What part of it are you guys even talking about? Genuinely curious.Loading pages or something? They always take about a second for me, maybe two or three when it's the first time I load the store page for the day.Isn't that still pretty fast though? Then again it's probably not even the UI but just my internet loading it slowly.The library goes pretty damn quick however, so I don't know what there'd be to complain about there. Same with the workshop.
>>741136634Screen record an example of how fast it is for you>inb4 excuses because you know it's slow on any hardware
>>741136650>monopoly is when you offer good services and your competitors can'tLOL XD
>>741136650I kneel to my big nosed overlords.
These fucking games suck man the only good thing about them is that they are cheap, but just like alcohol they cant help you stop being miserable Video Games dont entertain me anymore now that im an Adult
>>741136650Monopolies are inherently Jewish Cartels and Valve does not own a specific monopoly, people just prefer to use Steam because its cheap and just works on your machine without tinkering or spies on you for Chicoms, if you think otherwise you might be Timmy Tencent.
>>741136634I feel really bad for you, I am. You have to shill for Valve yet can't even afford your own gaming pc to play steam games on so you have to ask google chatgpt for your opinions.I pray the wealth inequality one day stops being a thing.
>>741136698They're either fourth-worlders playing on gayming laptops, potato PCs or internet cafe PCs, or trolls pretending to be.
https://github.com/legendary-gl/legendaryWhy can't we have this for Steam? I don't care about MTX community profiles, friends list or the plethora of other bloat features.
>>741136698literally click friends and chat buttonin the old ui that shit was instant>bro who cares if it is slightly delayed, JUST HAVE LOW STANDARDSfuck you
>>741136774>Epic games launcherClosed the tab immediately.
>>741136760Yeah its plenty sad these niggers can't even afford a pre-built $1000-1500 that can and will play games for +5 years before the next best thing comes out and you save up during those +5 years for the next best thing... Its common sense if you actually spend time with your entertainment to save up for the next best thing if you had any capitalist bone in your body, these poorfaggots clearly don't have any backbone or capitalist intelligence. No wonder they always vote blue and cry for uncle Marx to save them or glaze Xi's cock harder than last time.
>>741136753https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/steam
>>741136698>maybe two or three when it's the first time I load the store page for the day.That's what people mean, but then people like you are so used to terrible web shit, you insist that slow is normal.It's independent of hardware. Webshit on the desktop will always be slow compared to a win32 or x11 application.
>>741136821Why can't we have this for Steam?
>>741136887I don't care.
>>741136842I've never had issues from Steam... However: Epic Game Store literally is a backdoor to the CPC, that's way more dangerous and worse than what Steam has ever done to me. (They have done nothing, they've even kept me unbanned for saying racist shit: I take that as a win for Valve.)
>>741136887alt-clients are a slippery slope no company want.
>>741136842In Steam's privacy policy[1], Steam details that it collects the following user information: Name Address Credit Card Number(s) e-mail Age IP Address Device Unique ID Chat logs Forum posts Voice Chat Recordings Hardware Enumerationyou mean the things it needs to do to do its advertised functions?
>Logs you out and forgets you even existedIf there's one singular thing one of these fuckers should do. It's remember your login details. That's the absolute bare minimum.
>>741136708>T-TAKE A RECORDINGof what, retard? What's supposed to be so slow?>>741136760>>741136839Sorry, poories, not interested. Do let me guess, your next cope is going to be pretending it's all free and cheap games, so let me destroy your stupid shit: https://files.catbox.moe/1hwbqi.png
>>741136895But why can't we have this for Steam?>>741136905>lauching the game you purchased without having to go through a bloated behemoth that's completely disconnected from the process of operating the game is a slippery slope"No!"
>>741136926Yeah, I don't see an issue with that. They need to subpoena (request by criminal/civil court case) valve to bring any of that evidence to public anyway and Steam so far does not have incentives to spy on people maliciously.
I'll stick with Ubisoft Connect.
>>741136926yes saar we need to record your voice chat and chat logs and your web browser history saar the needful
>>741136987>>lauching the game you purchasedit starts with that, and always ends up being way more
>>741137031I'll stick in the gay hacker infested platform with the most invasive anti-cheat that does absolutely nothing.lmao: next time you die suspiciously I recommend you taking clips of what you died to for laughs.
Steam is slow?
>>741137039yes, for your own records?are you dumb?
>>741137031based retard
>>741137070>>741137096
>>741137059Your evidence? SteamCMD (https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD) already allows authenticating via the command line and downloading steamapps for dedicated servers. There isn't a SINGLE reason why it should not allow downloading your games and running them straight through your authenticated SteamCMD rather than the storefront itself, unless you of course want to maximize your profit opportunity at every conceivable step.
>>741136169>fast uilol
>>741136698I've got a better PC than 99% of /v/ and yeah, Steam is a bit unresponsive. In part because it's a webapp, but even for a webapp there's always a bit of delay when you click somewhere in Steam. I dunno why, but it's there, you always have that second before Steam decides to cooperate.Honestly, I give no fucks, it's not like it's that frustrating for me. Steam just works and that's good enough for me. But stop pretending Steam doesn't have a reactivity problem.
>>741136169NO, THEY MUST BE SUED, THEY CAN'T JUST RUN A STORE WITH STANDARDSI remember when EA had a hissy fit over Steam asking them to pay 30% on Mass Effect 2 DLC. EA had tried to subvert Valve's store by selling the DLC directly through the game, and Valve said no. EA then pulled their library, stormed off, made their own garbage tier launcher and store nobody wanted or used, then eventually came crawling back to Valve when their sales tanked on PC. Ubisoft pulled the same shit.Why can't Epic just accept that 70% of a million sales is better than 92% of a hundred thousand sales?Retarded.
>>741136169>steam client is a chrome browser>Chromium bloat, no ad blocker>can't even block scripts>fasttroon coded, troon thread.
>>741137253>70%for them it's basically 80%i don't get why anyone would throw a shitfit over it when consoles all do 70% with digital and 50% with physical
>>741137095yes saar recording the domains I visit off-steam and sending them to their servers is for my own records very needful best robbari rape you very much
>>741137198>There isn't a SINGLE reason why it should not allow downloading your games and running them straight through your authenticated SteamCMDDomain Specific Software, or software with a single purpose, by design, should not then become general purpose.A company having only a single, official client is the best and only way. You would understand this if you ever made software yourself.
valve promotes gambling to children
>>741137321It's an absolute 'missing the forest for the trees,' moved made by narcissistic corpos that think they can handball their way to anything they want, and it's fucking dumb. In an attempt to stroke their egos and prove they're magnificent, we all fucking suffer. I hope one day to learn that Tim Sweeney croaked it in autoerotic asphyxiation. It's the kind of demeaning death and legacy that swine deserves.
>>741137416so does literally every other gaming company
>>741137331>recording the domains I visit off-steam and sending them to their servers https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1y70ej/valve_vac_and_trust/
>>741137416>gambling has never been sold to children
>>741137416so how do you want them to prevent it?
>>741137454>hey they do X>um hello CEO here no we don't akchually :^)upvoted bro keep up the good fight
>>741137554if you think they're doing it then sue them :)
>>741137007>>741137342do you at least get paid for this? you are in every steam thread acting like steam's public relations twitter accountyou can google buzzwords to cope but at least read through them first, steam has 666 purposes by now and steamcmd is their own toolnow post hand and a list of software you have published
>>741137623I don't have to since everyone is suing your employer lately
>>741137689SteamCMD is Domain-specific for deploying games on servers.Steam Client is general purpose by design, for people to buy and manage their game collection.Do you understand the difference?
>>741137756yeah, let's see how that goes, just ignore the piles of frivolous lawsuits that failed
@796hand and list of software or I'm telling your boss you're doing a bad job shilling
>>741137857>doesn't understand the difference>can't articulate an actual argumentstop insisting other people are brownoids you retard
>>741136459
>unironic steam employee camping any steam-related thread don't try to switch up on the writing style either your posts are awfully obvious
>>741137902uncommon french W
>>741137902BLAZINGLY FAST WEB-NATIVE SOFTWARE!
>>741137902>>741137796Waiting for an official comment otherwise this is fabricated footage meant to damage Steam® reputation. Delete this or you will be hearing from our legal team.
>>741137956anon, i hope you realize genuine valve employees are too busy worrying about their stack-rank to ever waste time shilling on company hours.
>>741137902Play GRIS already you faggot
>>741137902this works perfectly on my machineis there a reason you're hiding your specs?
>>741138110thank u for ur service steamsaar 10 rupees have been deposited to your steam wallet
>>741137902no no no gabesissies how will we recovera fucking frog is humiliating our proprietary leetjeet software
>>741138241It's CPU-dependent, but still embarrassing.my usage never goes above 5.5%
>>741137902>recorded on a Nvidia GT 430
>>741136368>This is ignoring the other shit he's done to ruin gaming like making steam a monopolyConsolw niggers are always so funny.Gaben never made Steam a "monopoly". The industry made it that by openly crapping on PC gaming and refusing to actually put in effort. It's the same with how Snoy ragequit the portable market and allowed Nintendo to have full control.
>>741136169>fast uiThe old UI was way, way faster. Not sure what they did but the new one is sluggish as hell>consistent salespic related>doesn't randomly log you out for no reasonyeh i guess>elite controller supporti doubt I ever had my controller 'just work' with steam. Always had to use some shitty 3rd party program to get mine to work>works great with linuxbut do the games?
>>741136185>>741136261>>741136279>>741136289>>741136330>>741136369>>741136437It's not Valve's fault you're trying to run it on a 15 year old laptop, problems like this >>741137902 are extreme edge cases, Steam's UI runs smoothly for everyone else.
>>741137902jesus i have a 10 year old potato pc and it doesnt do this
>>741138352Steam is a monopoly and Gabe Newell is a criminal. There has to be a petition for the United States attorney general Todd Blanche to open a formal investigation into Steam as soon as possible.
>>741138365>The old UI was way, way faster. Not sure what they did but the new one is sluggish as hellOpinion invalidated, if you're too retarded to use anything made past 2001 then you're not worth taking seriously.
old store design was perfect, and they recently ruined it with a youtube-tier redesign
>>741136459>any proofIt's a fucking modern web-browser, of course it runs like shit because it is web-shit.
>>741138631samefag
>>741138365>le common game knowledge that sales are worse nowkill yourself, wannabe gamer
>>741138365>The old UI was way, way faster.Yes, because now it's a Chrome browsershit with extra buttons smacked on top.
>>741138813>>741138365samefag
>>741138703>>741138848samefag
>>741136169>fast uiNot anymore
>>741136169>uses monopolistic position to dictate prices>paywalled reviews and mods>DRM
>>741137007>>741138469>>741138549
>>741138769>shovelware being resold on steam counts!
>>741138910Well yes, the posts calling you out for it on multiple posts is probably gonna be the same person.
with all the lawsuits going around it's only normal that we will see more and more SIDF spamming these threads
>>741138945>get called out for samefagging>instead of shutting up you get really mad about it and prove they're right
>>741136169>>fast uihasnt been the case for years didnt read the rest
>>741139057i know who you are
>>741138982schizoid samefag
>>741136169>fast uimaybe 10 years ago
i hate chromium
>>741139162>10 years ago*15
>>741136169I could agree with the rest but fast ui ain't it.
>buy a game>can't play it without having to launch a bloated spyware platformhow is this legal again?
>>741139267>>buy a gameyou didn't buy the game, you bought the license to play the game through the bloated spyware platform
>>741139267It's legal because you don't have to buy it here, you can go somewhere else with different options.
>>741139167also you have clearly never used steam on linux if you think this it's so fucking buggy
>>741139267in 2027 they'll go to prison for it dont worry
>fast UI*steamwebhelper.exe stopped responding. Restart steam?**also we took 800MB of your RAM so sme trannies on your friend list have fancy tranny avatar border*
>>741139267stop agreeing to terms you didn't read
>>741139305Maybe in the USA I bought a license to play the game. In the European Union they have to sell the game.
>>741139451well take it to the court then, they're open about the fact that you buy the license to play games and not the games themselves
>>741139267Because those are the terms you agreed to in the multi-party agreement between (You), Valve, and the game publisher as laid out in the Steam Subscriber Agreement and the EULA.
>>741137007>>741138469>>741138549>>741139327>>741139494
>>741139580you have already posted this once
>>741139580>knows he's in the wrong>posts this because he has nothing else
>cs.rin.ru tools off github or run steamalwarePC gaming
>>741139664>>741137956
>>741136650A natural monopoly, yes. Valve does barely anything to maintain their monopoly because customers naturally gravitate to their store because all the other ones suck.
>>741139813You forgot to put any text in your post
>>741136169Seaniggers really get paid cents by valve to post this shit on /v/ 24/7.Like dude get a real job.
I refuse to use any launcher.
>More than half of developers feel they rely too heavily on Steam to distribute their games, with 72% believing the platform has a monopoly on the PC games market.>That's according to a new whitepaper from PC distribution platform Rokky titled 'The State of PC Game Distribution.'>The independent study, conducted by Atomik Research, surveyed 306 industry executives across the UK and USA between May 18 and May 22, 2025.>75% of respondents were senior managers of C-suite level, with 77% from studios with more than 50 employees.>The study found that for the majority of studios, Steam accounts for over 75% of revenue.Steam haters BTFO! Gabe Newell is our Lord and savior.
>>741137007>>741139494>>741139854hey are you a lawyer because you use a lot of legalese can you help me with some legal issues like a free consult or something?
>>741140004This wouldn't be the case if literally anyone tried to actually compete, but instead everyone just makes something worse.
>>741140142why are you still samefagging?
>>741140142Sure, greentext your problem and I'll help you
>>741140142Just knowing a few terms doesn't make me (or those other guys) a lawyer. I just like reading up and debating this shit like an aspie. Hell, I wrote a whole blogpost about Valve's position as a market leader and how people misunderstand what a natural monopoly is or how their 30% cut isn't the uniquely greedy move that people pretend it is.
>>741140004This "Atomik Research" entity does not know what a "monopoly" is. They are probably Indian and funded by Tim Sweeney. Steam is just the best service on the market and nothing they do can be seen as abusive. If you don't like it you can just use something else.
>muh launcherJust click on fucking executable.
>>741140004>c-suiters>WE WANT MORE MONEY>MONEY MONEY MONEY>CUT OUT OTHER PEOPLE, HOSTILE TAKE OVER, MONEYc-suiters are corporate scum.
>>741140004Is this that paper from a company who's business model is being a competitor to Steam?
>>741140243wow you seem smart can you link the blogpost it sounds very interesting
>>741140276>game executable opens steam
>>741140335I'll choose to believe your post isn't sarcastic! Here you go: https://vertette.github.io/post/fairnesssteamscut
>>741140339why are you still samefagging?
>>741140339Many such cases.
>>741140339No, it opens the game.
>>741136330Is your computer a 2004 Dell with Windows XP or something?
>>741140208I want to open a tabletop store sometime soon and have this draft lease but it says that structural alterations are absolutely prohibited and there is no way to change the property use, is there any statutory recourse I may have here?
>>741140483only if it doesn't use steam_api.dll or steamstub (which almost all games have)
>>741140558just do it lol
>>741140489Post a clip of it being fast and responsive. No one has, and no one will because you all know it's slow as shit.
>>741140598Okay but you said you were a lawyer this isn't the type of advice I was expecting?
>>741140625>ask lawyer for advice>cry about advice received
>>741136169>ads in your games library>non existent support>you own nothing and games in your library get changed>big picture mode>horrible controller template ui>no ctrl key on build-in virtual keyboard>force install game patches before each launch>dropping support for old games and os, still sell them in store
>>741140390it all makes sense now
>>741140675>controllernigger thinks he gets to have an opinion
>>741140675Those are the terms you agreed to in the multi-party agreement between (You), Valve, and the game publisher as laid out in the Steam Subscriber Agreement and the EULA. If you want a better service you can make your own Steam.
>leave the mac icon on games that only run on macs from 20+ years ago
>>741140672sounds right thanks it indeed looks something like a lawyer would advise you are very smart
>>741140675>ads in libraryyou can turn it off. Though it is pretty scummy that those are enabled by default
>>741140675>you own nothing and games in your library get changedWhen? I've never had this happen.
>>741140675>ads in your games libraryare you too retarded to go into settings?>non existent supportthat's what steam excels at though?>you own nothing and games in your library get changedso consoles?>big picture modebetter and has more functionality than console ui which is what it's competing with>horrible controller template uiyour taste is simply shit>no ctrl key on build-in virtual keyboardperhaps the pettiest complaint i've ever heard>force install game patches before each launchthe only fair complaint here and even then, the functionality to skip updates is still there, you just didn't even try looking for it>dropping support for old games and os, still sell them in storevalve is not responsible for microsoft obsoleting operating systems
>>741140925They renamed Monolith (soul) to Stars of Providence (soulless) in my library
>>741141007... That's it?
>>741140390that's very illuminating especially your natural monopoly explanation can I ask where did you source this description?>Let's address the elephant in the room first: is Valve a monopoly? The answer is technically yes, in the sense that Steam has a natural monopoly in the industry of digital stores on PC. A natural monopoly is what happens when one company in a specific industry makes a product that customers naturally gravitate to; they use it over other products because it's simply the best one.
>>741141112https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly
>>741137902good bait
>>741140675>ads in your games libraryI only get news for games I own>non existent supportidk what this is supposed to mean, but Steam support is notoriously good, unless you're a cheater, which you probably are>you own nothing and games in your library get changednever happened to me>big picture modeidk what this is meant to mean either, but it's optional and works great for my TV setup>horrible controller template uiagain idk what this is supposed to mean, the controller layout menu is best in class as far as I've seen>no ctrl key on build-in virtual keyboardI never noticed this, what is the use case>force install game patches before each launchyou can disable automatic updates on a per-game basis>dropping support for old games and os, still sell them in storeidk what games you're referring to, but the fault for OS support is squarely on microjeet, and wintoddlers that refuse to switch to linux deserve to be treated like the second class citizens they are
>>741141112I dunno, I just did some research on this subject to argue about it on /v/ and some of it just stuck around in my mind. Did some additional research for the article too.
>>741141069>this never happens!>it did actually>yeah well it's not a big deal when it happens!
>>741141169>I only get news for games I ownHe's talking about the little popup window you get every time you start Steam which is literally ads for games on saleEveryone immediately turns it off in the settings so it's understandable if you forgot about it years later
>>741140675>>ads in your games libraryI have never once seen an ad in my steam library. Is this a problem only for select countries? I can't even find anything in the settings to turn it on or off like >>741140990 suggests? Is it this? (pic related) I'm pretty sure it was off by default when I installed Steam. Even so it's just ads for new games. It's not like Gabe's trying to shill McDonald's or Pepsi.
>>741136169>doesn’t log out you for random reasonsSure it does. Presumably for inactivity. That’s precisely why I haven’t opened it in months!
>>741140571Just replace this dll with correct one.
holy fuck ban steam threads
I'm here to help my fellow indians:Click "Steam" in top left corner.Click settings.Click library.Enable low performance mode.Enable low bandwidth mode.Disable community content.It's not perfect but hopefully this helps a little bit.
>>741141458
>>741141148>>741141186ah okay because I have this textbook here and it says>In some markets there may be significant economies of scale, meaning that the average cost per unit of output decreases with the increase in the scale of the outputs produced; economies of scope occur where it is cheaper to produce two products together than to produce them separately.>Natural monopoly means a situation in which economies of scale are so great that having two or more competing producers would not be viable and so efficiency dictates that a single firm serves the entire market. >Where natural monopoly exists, it is inappropriate to attempt to achieve a level of competition which would destroy the efficiency that this entails. This problem may be exacerbated where the ‘natural monopolist’ is also required to perform a ‘universal service obligation’, such as the daily delivery of letters to all postal addresses at a uniform price; performance of such an obligation may not be profitable in normal market conditions. >Where the minimum efficient scale is very large in relation to total output, a separate question arises as to how that industry can be made to operate in a way that is beneficial to society as a whole. Public ownership may be a solution. soo I'm not a lawyer but this would mean that Steam produces a whole lot and supplies that product to half the market and they can't have any competition because they would not be able to operate otherwise?? I thought online distribution does not cost anything haha idk would like having competitors make Steam less efficient? like their servers would be slower or smth maybe it sounds like since it is a natural monopoly that cannot have any competition or it will fail we should regulate it more and maybe nationalize it since they are not normal market conditions so you can't just make a competing store??sorry i am not well versed with this but you seem to know a lot so maybe you could explain hah
>>741141707>you seem to know a lotNo, not at all.
>>741136169You know this is an actual paid shill thread when there is nothing to gain for a mere 'fan' from making Valve /Steam glazing threadsConsolefags are battling each other because support of their consoles actually depend on their consoles performing wellSteam is just a browser webshop leeching on PC for free and taxing 1/3 of PC gaming industry's revenue, meanwhile Valve is an astronomically overprofiting and unproductive corporation that doesn't make anything fans have to root forSteam also has the exact same % sales on games that console stores have during their own seasonal sales. PC game prices haven't been cheaper since the early days of steam before piblishers adjusted to Steam charging the same cuts that consoles do (despite having none of their expenses), instead of PC having 0% extra cuts, which is why games used to cost significantly less on PC than on consoles. It's ironic that people are shilling Steam for the extreme opposite for what Steam actually achieved in reality.
>>741136169>Fast UIAnd everyone prefers to use the PC browser kek
>>741140004>entire industry with trillions of dollars>still can't build a steam competitorIt's not Valve's fault everyone else are retards
>>741141730okay but you said in this thread and in your blogpost authoritatively that it is a natural monopoly because Steam is a product that customers naturally gravitate to; they use it over other products because it's simply the best one but it looks like that's not the case like if you could explain it that would be helpful because it sounds interesting!
>>741141707>average cost per unit of output decreases with the increase in the scale of the outputs produced; economies of scope occur where it is cheaper to produce two products together than to produce them separatelyWhat does Steam produce?
>>74113616964bit client doko
>>741136420Also people playing on their TVs. Making things bigger is better in general because it's better for accessibility.
>>741141885Don't assume I know everything just because I don't like using weasel words like "in my opinion", I find that shit annoying and don't use it on purpose because I respect the reader enough to let them come to conclusions on their own. In this case me playing somewhat loose with an existing term is admittedly a mistake, though you could arguable Steam does have a natural monopoly despite that due to various factors giving them an advantage over competition. I might update it later to fix it.
>>741140320Their business model is selling Steam keys. They want to leech off Valve's infrastructure just like that furfag Wolfire.
>>741141282Everytime you open steam, there is this ad section on top of your library. It can't be disabled. You have to click on every ad and hide it manually, and select 'don't show again for this game' in order for this section to disappear. But it will appear again when you would restart steam, covering other games from your library. If you have 1k+ games this section is always going to be huge, and every time you have to lick through this list to get rid of it.And no, that option you pointed out is not for ads in library.
>>741141169>how dare you criticize my favorite platform?>it will show you!>'it works on my machine!' 'it is not a problem for me!' 'look at me how great I am!' 'just give me attention please!'
>>741137902>one broken animation with GPU acceleration offAIEEEEEE
>>741142025okay maybe you in your future posts and blogposts you could include a disclaimer at the beginning that you use legal concepts that you do not understand?? i don't want to be mean or anything but simple people like me often take that stuff at face value and here it appears that what you wrote isn't the case at all!!! if you decide to rephrase that paragraph maybe you might consider doing some research on things like ecosystems, walled gardens, customer lock in, dark patterns, network effects and such because it kinda looks it what you were trying to go for in that paragraph!! just a tiny suggestion i don't know much but maybe it helps??
>>741142180Even on your example it spikes upwards of 10% CPU usage.This is straight up unacceptable for a goddamn launcher.
>>741142180That's a lot of hentai.
>>741141945Is anyone able to answer this?
>>741142051you can toggle it to only show updates
>>741142346I recognize that artstyle
>>741142374the infrastructuresteam reduces your responsibility as a developer to just uploading the game
>>741136169Gabe is smart for keeping Valve a private company. The moment he dies someone will buy it and ruin it for short term profits or just "fix" things the jewish way
>>741139267>>741139267Valve doesn't enforce that, publishers do. There are plenty of indie games you can download once via Steam and then launch directly from the executable without Steam running.
>>741141169>ads in your games library>I only get news for games I ownSure, no biggie if you own 5 games. If you own 500+ and see 'What's New' section filled with 'Check out our new game!' in your steam library EVERY time you open steam, with no option to disable it, then you would be angry too.>non existent support>idk what this is supposed to mean, but Steam support is notoriously good, unless you're a cheater, which you probably areEach time I tried to interact with Steam support they were useless. They fucked up my Steam Deck order. They fucked up games in my library. The fucked up my refunds. Internet is full of people complaining how shitty their support is.>you own nothing and games in your library get changed>never happened to meSuch a great argument. But remainder retard, you don't own ANY game in your library. You only license access to it from Steam. And when they would randomly change your game to be a RU edition now, with no mod support, you would complain too.>big picture mode>idk what this is meant to mean either, but it's optional and works great for my TV setupBecause it is a fucking retarded placed button, commonly complained by the community how stupid it is that there is no option to remove it. You use it? good, keep using it. For most people it is something you click by mistake and get annoyed.>horrible controller template ui>again idk what this is supposed to mean, the controller layout menu is best in class as far as I've seenThen you haven't seen much. In order to load YOUR template, you need this mess ui to pull all community templates from net, EVERY time you open it, then scroll at the bottom of the list to select your own template. This is stupid as hell on Steam Deck or if you have poor internet.
>>741142025>>741142294hey i really didn't want to be mean just wanted to share some constructive criticism!! looking forward to your revised blogpost
>>741136169>works great with linuxI wish I could say this but from experience no, it doesn't.It still fucks up notification popups on fullscreen and even though everything needed to fix the overlay showing on native wayland is in place (to be fair, support is kind of recent) the overlay still does not work on native wayland at all. And there's no madness on Windows about 32 or 64 bit libraries. And this bullshit too (pic related)And the UI being fast is a very fucking dubious claim.
>>741142051And you're absolutely sure it's not "ads" for games you've actually played? There is an option to "only show product updates not other types of events and news" but all it does is hide anything that isn't patch notes basically. Stuff like "1 million copies sold! Thank you!"Closest I get to an ad is whenever GTA Online (which I've never played, but I have played GTA 5 of course) is having some new event or a new wacky vehicle. Annoying but easy to ignore.
>>741141169>no ctrl key on build-in virtual keyboard>I never noticed this, what is the use caseSteam Deck usage. You can't properly use the virtual keyboard without ctrl. But instead you get a completely useless emote button as a ctrl replacement. >force install game patches before each launch>you can disable automatic updates on a per-game basisNo, you fucking can't. You can only disable automatic updates by switching it to update before launch. You can ONLY disable updated if you run steam offline. It doesn't matter if it is a single player or multiplayer game.>dropping support for old games and os, still sell them in store>idk what games you're referring to, but the fault for OS support is squarely on microjeet, and wintoddlers that refuse to switch to linux deserve to be treated like the second class citizens they areNo, the reason they are dropping support is because lazy valve devs decided to build whole steam UI as a Chrome based electron like app. And since Chrome dropped support for older operating systems, so did Valve. They still sell games that are not going to work on Win10 or Win11, that are minimal official requirements for steam now.
>>741142180with gpu acceleration on>>741142308dont ever look at windows window manager when you drag a window around
>>741142606I don't know why people even cope with this when they are already acting like a public company cutting costs by price hiking the hardware and cutting costs by removing physical gift cards.The gift carts shit is especially egregious when it's extremely obvious it's over the identification laws shit and muh scammers doesn't fly as an excuse.
>>741142571Ah I see, so the digital video game distribution infrastructure cannot be possibly replicated in practical ways, similarly to telecommunications, railway or waterworks infrastructure. Because of this Steam should be the only entity that serves the market. This is clear now, thank you.
>>741142294>>741142813Looking into the matter, the textbook definition of a natural monopoly apparently *would* exclude Steam, but considering we're talking about a digital infrastructure here, the rules might be different. Steam in that case would apparently be considered a demand-side natural monopoly, so it's technically the right term? I've seen other people use the term "natural monopoly" to describe Steam either way.
>>741142839>And this bullshit too (pic related)sounds like a wayland problem and you should figure out how to give steam permission automatically or to reject it if you don't want steam input.
Criticize Steam. Fail to mention what is faster than it. Noticing
>>741142381Nice to see that they at least added this, but it doesn't always work - shitty dev abuse it, and they put ads as 'updates'. You can see it in your screenshot too - 'The Aquatic Planet Pack!' by KleiThere should be a proper option to completely remove this retarded section
>>741136872>Webshit on the desktop will always be slow compared to a win32 or x11 applicationit used to be fast until six million layers of javascript scroll overrides and such became necessary - opening html windows in ss13 used to be instant until byond started requiring webview2electron can probably be made fast too if you know what you're doing, but that would take work instead of going "haha what are you a poorfag lol"another thing that bothers me immensely is UIs using their own scrollbar style instead of system default
>>741142180>GPU accelerationyou have to be fucking retarded to allow this option on steam client
>>741142808>Sure, no biggie if you own 5 games. If you own 500+ and see 'What's New' section filled with 'Check out our new game!'I have 823 games, and I've never had the what's new section filled with any spam? it doesn't show every event for every game, only what you interact with. From the 20 posts it shows oldest one is from may
>>741143317what, are you le poor?
>>741143149you want a government controlled digital game distribution network, faggot?
>>741142839You could try enabling "Allow without asking for permission" for control of pointer/keyboard under Legacy X11 App Support in your system settings.
>>741143224looks like that's what Valve want'shttps://partner.steamgames.com/doc/marketing/event_tools
>>741143349And it shows spam for me. Where is the option to completely remove this section? There is none? Then it is a valid criticism of Steam.
>>741143164>I've seen other people use the term "natural monopoly" to describe Steam either way.that does not make it fine if i see people calling a chair a dog it does not make it a dog and it really calls your entire text into question!!>Looking into the matter, the textbook definition of a natural monopoly apparently *would* exclude Steamyou should have confirmed that before writing the blogpost and making ex catedra statements both here and on your site i think!!>demand-side natural monopoly, so it's technically the right term?no i don't think so?? demand side substitutability applies when figuring out what the product alternatives are when you try to figure out what the product market is, i think?? it's all opposite actually because in a natural monopoly there is no demand side aspect anyway because i can't just choose to use different water pipes or different railways!!! would be a whole lot different if i could!!! that's one reason why steam is not a natural monopoly at all i think??
>>741136169>ads on the game library
>>741143109>they're not selling hardware at a loss? THIS IS JUST LIKE IF THEY HAD LE SHAREHOLDERS
>>741142808>>741143539>>Sure, no biggie if you own 5 games. If you own 500+ and see 'What's New' section filled with 'Check out our new game!' in your steam library EVERY time you open steam, with no option to disable it, then you would be angry too.>>And it shows spam for me. Where is the option to completely remove this section? There is none?Then it is a valid criticism of Steam.I have 665 games on Steam. Like the other anon says I have never seen shilling for a game I don't own. I gotta be honest. I think you're making shit up. Post your whats new.
>>741143374Okay big guy, all I'm reading here from that source is that people here saying steam is a natural monopoly are wrong. And I understand that if it was a natural monopoly, it should be regulated. You can't have it both ways it seems, but what do I know.
>>741143213The only way to work around this is to either install some workaround and launch steam with very specific parameters (to load a different library) or to allow every single x11 application this permission, not just steam.The thing is no. No I should not figure this out by myself. They're selling a controller for a platform that will no doubt launch with KDE on Wayland on desktop mode and Plasma is abandoning xorg (hell if I understand correctly, the deck already got updated to use wayland as a default on desktop mode). They are to work on Wayland no matter how much screaming and kicking there is about it pretty much out of the box.
>>741143730it's not a monopoly because you can go and use all those shittier stores all you want, nothing is stopping youjust because something is good and attracting the vast majority of customers doesn't mean you get to seethe about it
>>741143543i don't get those because i set my feed to only be major announcements and updates rather than bullshit product launches.and if they label an ad for merchandise as "update news" i report the post. in one case it's been changed afterwards, when the Kerbal Space Program Youtooz plushies thing was posted. went from "update" to "news" after a while.
>>741143730>And I understand that if it was a natural monopoly, it should be regulated.is steam not regulated?
>>741143541>you should have confirmed that before writing the blogpost and making ex catedra statements both here and on your site i thinkYou assume I didn't? From what I could conclude of the research I've done, people who have an actual understanding of economic terms seem to agree Steam at least exhibits strong characteristics of a demand-side natural monopoly. I'll think more about how I want to rephrase that particular part of the article, but I'm not in a rush, particularly considering you're the only one to have made this complaint so far.
>>741137902>CS 26k hours>machine can't handle steam menuschecks out
>>741143924>You assume I didn't?yes because you said you "looked into the matter" after you'd already made assertions. retard.
>>741136169>>fast uiit's fucking chromethe only reason i use that piece of shit is because it forces me to and there's no alternative for a lot of games
>>741136169Playnite mogs it
>>741143867Okay. But we are not discussing this? All I am pointing out is that according to the source, Steam is not a natural monopoly contrary to what some people here are claiming. Your post backpedals to the question whether Steam is a monopoly or not. I don't know because I am not an expert on this topic. I think I am done here, there's I can contribute on this.>>741143891Your access to waterworks or telecommunications is regulated by statute. The suppliers of those are pretty much exclusively state companies that have prescribed, binding rules on supply and pricing. This is again on the assumption that steam is a natural monopoly which it is not, contrary to what some people here have claimed.
>>741143996I also said I looked into it before to discuss the topic on vee. The answer I got out of it is "technically yes", and looking into it after your arguments doesn't seem to have changed the internet's mind. Again, I'll look more into it later.>retardThis passive aggressive behavior of yours must really charm people if you insist on behaving this way. I'm sure you're a hit at parties!!!!!!!!!!!
>>741137902have a 10 year old laptop. my kids clicked "Accept" on a bunch of bullshit ads in chrome while trying to play roblox in a browser, and Steam started doing this (along with some other programs) while the task manager claimed nothing else was behaving poorly. there were fucky chrome instances hiding away from task manager, seemingly embedded in any programs that used chrome related shit.fresh install of windows fixed all of it.
if STEAM has no fans, I am no longer among the living
>>741144148> This is again on the assumption that steam is a natural monopoly which it is not, contrary to what some people here have claimed.you write like a massive faggot
>>741143317OR, run on more than 2 GBs of VRAM
>>741143616you see one here: >>741142051An ad for new game.I haven't played Wall World or any of this dev games for the last 3 years. But like this: >>741142839 anon pointed out, I didn't have that option enabled (not sure when they added it?).But even if it is only for games you own, I don't care about new add-ons, DLCs, patch updates etc or other crap.It might be fine for you, but it takes a big chunk of library view and there is no way to fully disable it. If I would ever want to view patch notes, I would go to individual game I want to play and take a look at that section. I don't need constant reminders that 'hey, game you finished and don't care had new patch! also look some DLC you want to buy!'.
>>741136185FPFB
>>741144169i'm sure I don't hold a candle to you pal, I bet every party attendant loves discussing how many exclamation marks your last uttered remark would have had if you'd typed it.
>>741144148>according to the sourcemonopoly isn't made by the marketshare you fucking dumbass, it's made by the lack of viable alternativesagain, just because no one wants to use those shitty storefronts doesn't make it a monopoly regardless of what retards that don't understand what words mean think
>>741144225you have no idea what you're talking about
>>741136169>fast uiBaits used to be believable
>>741136169Steam is slow as fuck
>>741136169they seem to actually work on it and make it better.I dunno why all the other companies are so lazy with their stores. They throw out the absolute bare minimum of functionality (if that) and wonder why people buy on steam instead of with them.Steam isn't perfect of course. There are way too many bugs that haven't been fixed in literally years that are still there today. But the bar is really fucking low
>>741144236>it takes a big chunk of library viewchrist talk about a first world problem. Still better than literal ads for deoderant and energy drinks on the main screen of an xbox and i'm still angry about that
>>741144336>the bar is really fucking lowthis is the big problem. becoming a "monopoly" is as easy as not being as huge of a fuckup as your competition. In an era of no accountability, people actually get mad that a better product exists, because they feel completely powerless to assert they want their preferred product to be improved.
>>741143924well um you did write it is a natural monopoly and then it turns out it is not and then you said quote "Looking into the matter" or "me playing somewhat loose with an existing term is admittedly a mistake"also again please think through this procedurally!! if it is a natural monopoly you cannot have a demand side anything because there are no alternatives!! it does not make sense logically! >particularly considering you're the only one to have made this complaint so farthis is in very bad faith and disingenuous?? you are banking on the reader's lack of expertise to have your unverified assumptions go unchecked i think?? you cant just hope whoever reads your stuff will not be able to spot errors and then you run damage control instead of admitting you were wrong!!! bad Vertette!!
>>741143372What gain to you get for running GPU acceleration on Steam UI? Their integrated Chrome engine will run a bit faster, so you can drag stuff a bit better.What you will lose? Chrome will now eat your vram and more of your ram, it will steal gpu context and causes context switching problems. Every game will just run a bit slower.Steam purpose it to allow you to run games, not to eat your resources and cause extra performance issues. And sure, you can throw money at the problem, buy stronger gpu etc. But your gain for running Steam with gpu acceleration is still pointless.
>>741144358Fuck that ads too. But just because XBox does it, doesn't mean Valve should not be criticized for their crap too.
>>741136169>the absolute waste of resources that is chromium>fast uiI wish native graphics programming wasn't a lost art
>>741144548It's a mistake in the sense I could've done a better job doing research whether it's the accurate term but then it's a rather minor mistake in a long article I already had to do a bunch of research for, and as such I didn't think it was a big deal. I genuinely don't know, the research I've done in the past seemed to say it was fine and I admittedly care very little as it feels like losing the forest of my point in the trees of a possibly inaccurate economical term.I'll leave it there cause I'll update the article tonight and I got nothing to add for now.
>>741138769I should get Due Process, it's been on my wishlist for ages. If only my online friend group was into shooters.
>>741143616>Claim your car with GTA+!>A Crew to Remember! >Play demo of our new game!>New Star Wars DLC!>New game bundle for you to buy!>New content to buy!Christ man, why are you tolerating this crap in your game library? Even screenshot you posted have examples of ads for dlc and games you don't own
>>741139267steam drm is on the developerplenty of games can be launched directly from the file system, you are just too lazy to do so
>>741144220Thanks, what is this about? People have claimed in this thread that Steam is a natural monopoly. Then, based on the sources, it turns out it is not. This is a fact. Whether Steam is a monopoly or not is a completely different topic. Unless you are a government regulator or some suit jew lawyer, I don't think you have the knowledge to argue this either for or against (to be honest very high chances are no one in these threads is).>>741144289Thanks. I understand that "monopoly" and "natural monopoly" are two different things. I don't know whether Steam is a "monopoly" or not, but it looks like it is not a "natural monopoly". You write like a person who understands this, so I imagine you should be able to make the distinction and realize you are barking at the wrong tree.
>calling steam's laggy web ui "fast"how is this not a shill thread? mods hello?
>>741144815>could've done a better job doing research>rather minor mistake>possibly inaccurate economical termjust admit you were wrong my friend we all sometimes are it is after all how we learn!!
>>741145167This is not persuading me to update my article any time soon, by the way. If you had any feedback that isn't about my mistake that triggered this hour long tirade about economics than I'll be happy to hear it.--> YES I MADE A MISTAKE <--
>>741136815>literally click friends and chat buttonThat shit pops up for me in less than a second...
>>741145249i have listed some things you could explore in that specific paragraph as they seemed to be what you were going for there!! please read that reply again!! hopefully this hour long tirade will make you verify your understanding before you publish opinions in public domain in the future!
>>741143616Those are news for games you own
>>741145534I can't say it's convinced me much of anything because I'm just an autist writing things for fun on the internet and you don't seem to have read anything beyond that paragraph so you could complain on the internet that free reading material isn't completely accurate. I'm going to make dinner now.
>>741145650Vertettebros... it's over
>>741137902Just tried this and it was not laggy for me, so you eitherA) Have a shitty PC that can barely run basic web browsersor B) You purposely turned off hardware acceleration just to prove a pointKys>>741143317MOVE THAT POST
so is steam a monopoly or not lot of disagreement in here
>>741142839Anon, this is already fixed.
>>741146228Yes. By definition, Steam is a monopoly.
>>741146228nah, it's just that no one is willing to offer genuine competition
>>741146384>>741146468which one is it
>>741146384the definition of monopoly doesn't include marketshare retard, only stifling of competition
>>741146327They must have done this very, very fucking recently
>>741146698can you stifle competition with 10% market share
>>741146817I'm always running the beta version to get the latest and greatest. It's likely coming in 6.7. No idea if it's in 6.6
>>741146974tell us about your dinner!
>>741144853>>741145554>Those are news for games you ownYes, which is wildly different from the yarn you were spinning. They are news for games I own and play. Is this really what you're having a retard attack about? It's ONE row of six random pictures that I immediately click away from when I open Steam. This is not intrusive in the slightest and I cannot fathom why you would think it is.You people are retarded and should face a wall and a firing squad ASAP. This is not a problem but jesus christ I want you people dead.
>>741147178It hardly matters in this shitposting thread but just so you know, I quoted the wrong post when I said it's news for games you own. Obviously wanted to respond to the guy calling it ads
>>741147178>not capitalizing Jesus Christrenounce talmud
>>741147304Gotcha. I apologize for wanting you unalive.>>741147384Do you capitalize internet too? lol nerd we'll hang u like we hanged mussolini.
>>741136169>every other launcher can go get moggedplaynite > steam
>>741147473jesus christ that looks like shit
>>741147465>kike having a melty cuz people don't bow down to rabbi Newell and his temple of satanthat's a new one
>>741147513good thing it's customizable
>>741147513is this more to your liking
>>741147473anon really using foobar2000 to game
>>741147593jesus christ that looks like shit>>741147671jesus christ that looks like shit
>>741136169Lies, your monthly subscription games means nothing
>>741147738
>>741147793I accept your concussion, kind stranger! :=)
>>741147738Never forget that UI Steam Deck originally was bad
>>741147972Don't take this the wrong way, faggot, but I don't give a fuck about Steam Portable. It's less relevant to me than.... *shudders* Big Picture....
>>741147756>the physical product you have legally purchased entitles you to a monthly subscription we reserve the absolute right to revoke at any pointI can't wait for this to be tested in an EU court and their ToS completely invalidated for unfair terms. You cannot limit right to title even in B2B contracts let alone in consumer contracts. I'm going to have a field day spamming the judgement and farming (You)'s form kvetching steamies.
>>741136185cuz it 2fast4u
>>741139348That works for me. I had issues with nvidia though, Steam UI was buggy as fuck with that. Specifically the menus, like this one.
>>741147178You own Zero Parades and play it, that is why you see an ad for demo of it in your feed? You also own Dispatched and play it that is why bundle with Expedition 33 is 'not ad'? You already own Ingrid in Street Fighter 6 and play it, so dlc add is also not an ad?I don't care about 'Zero Parades' and I don't fucking want an ad for demo of it displayed when I open my steam, just because I have Disco Elysium in my library. I don't fucking care about what games Wall World devs have been spawning, since all of their games are disappointing. I don't care about DLC to Street Fighter 6, just because I go it as a gift and played it once.Sure, you can call it whatever you want, and pretend it doesn't matter to you, pretend that is it 'only games you play!' and you might just enjoy ads. But even the example >>741143616 shows plenty of them in 'What's New'. There should be an option to remove this section completely as there are other sections for news. But greedy steam noticed that people don't to visit other section, so their forced this crap into library.
>>741136185>>741136261>>741136279>>741136289each time someone says Steam UI isn't fast, i have to wonder what kind of of ancient PC they're running it on, cause i have a fairly entry level PC(R5 5600, 16GB RAM, RX6600 8GB), and it's the snappiest UI ever, nothing even comes close to itand before anyone says it eats a lot of RAM, picrel, and my PC and Steam itself have been running since this morning, so it's been 7-8 hours already, with plenty of visits to the store and community pages>>741136774>>741136887>>741136987>>741137198jesus fucking christ anon, just use googleSteam has a small mode(View > Small Mode), you can even set it to be the default way Steam launches, and it does exactly what you want.>I WANT EVEN LESSmake a shortcut to steam with these command arguments-no-browser +open steam://open/minigameslistand it'll be essentially a Lite Mode, where not only the webhelper and other "bloat" isn't displayed, it's not loaded at alland from both Small Mode and Lite Mode you can still access the store or anything else you might need IF you want to.
>doesn't randomly log you out for no reasonI remember during the first 8 months of nightreign on a Tuesday night you would be force booted from a game due to a steam update. I also play on Xbox gamepass for pc gaming nowadays desu
>>741148551Yes, to all those questions. But even if I didn't have those games, none of it is a problem. Steam and other publishers, probably other clients too, will always recommend similar games to you all the time. If this is a problem for you I suggest you kill yourself or at least get out of the game buying business.It's one row of six pictures. Today is the first time I've even acknowledged it in god knows how long. Even for someone that posts on this retarded website you have way too much free time, clearly. You should be sent to the Gulag.
Vertette tell us about your dinner please what did you eat?
>>741148675Cool. Shame you have to go through all that to achieve it and it makes sense from Valve's POV that you have to be ideally directed to the Store page at all times, but great to see that this is possible. I unfortunately have to use Steam for a couple of games my friends play but this should make it more bearable. This is the only good post ITT.
>>741148551Dude. Steam is a store. I think stores just isn't for you if you don't want to see other products.
>>741148675>>741148956Just to add, it comes close to what I am seeking but it is not "exactly what I want" nor what Legendary does. With Legendary, you do not have to use EGS at ALL. You don't have to install it ever.You authenticate with their API via the CMD window and download the game you bought directly from there.Then, you click on the game .exe and that's it (you play with DLCs, MP and all). You don't need the Store platform at all.With this "Lite Mode" you still have to go through Steam, even if circumcised. I am adding this just in case you understand the two instances to be the same (they are not). But if this is the closest I can get to a normal experience then I have no choice but to take it, for now at least.
>>741148796It is problem they introduced a couple of years ago, and it is a valid criticism of steam. No matter how you frame it and pretend to ignore it, ads in game libraries do exist.The point of criticism is to point out such issues and comply Valve to do better. Not to deny it exists and gulp every stupid idea they throw at its users.But that is a problem with large chunk of Steam userbase - they can't stand any form of criticism of their favourite platform and decide to defend it from any form of criticism.
>>741148796then why the hell you're defending seeing ads for bundles of games you already own, dlcs, demos etc? It is then even worse, as you get spammed with ads for owned products.
>>741149561I am aware it's not the same, but Steam itself is a DRM layer(albeit a very barebones one), so you can't truly avoid it ever, especially if the games you want to play are multiplayer games you play with your friends.Some games can be launched from their exe(or desktop shorcut) without steam running at all if you add a steamappid.txt in the game folder with the game app id inside the file(some even without having to do that at all and their install folder can even be moved out of steam entirely), but again, this is likely not the case for MP games that require the Steam application itself to connect with friends or other players, and even a lot of SP games do not allow this anyway.Here's a big list of all drm-free games on steam, not sure if it's all of them though https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/The_big_list_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam
>>741136169>fast uiNot ever since they switched to a Chromium based browser
>>741148980Dude. Steam is a DRM and a game launcher. You can't not use it, and they forced their store ads into game launcher too.
>>741136185This. Steam is really bloated for a browser with a download manager attached to it.
>>741150269>>741150335read >>741148675
>>741148858you sure seem obsessed with this dude
>>741136169Steam is excellent on many levels and runs everything beautifully on my mini-PC and offers a great assortment of options while anyone who still buys consoles are fools!!!FACT!!!
>>741137902Works on my machine, but anyway why not try the low performance mode?
>>741137416why should i care?
>>741137902most lightweight chromium app
>>741136368So you've held it against him despite all these benefits he added over the years?You're spiritually a woman
>>741150238I looked at the commands you suggested and apparently they removed -no-browser recently?
>>741150457I apparently have all those settings on already, which I didn't realize. Steam seems to work just fine for me anyway, works way better than any other Chromium apps I've seen like Discord or the various awful fucking apps or web components that Microsoft sharts out. Outlook, Teams and 11's various web-based components all work and run like fucking shit.
>>741136368>encouraging literal scams in the form of 'early access' this may come as a surprise to you, but no one is forcing you to buy an unfinished game.
>>741150724nta and unrelated to the conversation, but that's not really a good argument since you could also say>nobody is forcing you to install Teamspeak and buy apple cardsThe point of a scam is that you're tricked into doing something of your own free will.
>>741150398he's adorable i want to be his friend and fact check his blogposts
>>741136169For me, it's that they dont hit you with pop up ads on launch and let you hide/silo off everything store and monetization related from your Library. I dont play blizzard games at all anymore because I got sick of getting full screen advertisements for warcraft or call of duty on their launcher when i dont play either. My library shows every game ever whether I like it or not and the screen is constantly covered in "!" notifications trying to direct me over to more attempts to sell me shit I don't want. Additionally, steam doesnt ask me to confirm that I want to remain offline every 2 weeks, as if I just forgot and was just waiting for some fag to come along and insist I change my status. The only negative I can conceive of with steam is that theres no way to outright disable achievements account wide; you can only hide the notifications.
it looks like both -no-browser and -vgui were deprecated in January 2023 so even if you really want to play around with launch commands to streamline your Steam experience they are doing everything they can to force you to use the Chromium bloat
>>741151054Please understand, the jeets in charge of the UI needs a reason to still be hired.
>>741136984>this nigga wasted $40k on vidya gamesWhat a fucking loser with no inspiration is in his life
>>741136842This website is slightly deceiving because it is purely concerned with data collection, and not what the data in pic related is used for. If you look at the privacy agreement and go to "who has access to your data" sections it explicitly states that Valve doesn't sell your data, which ends the conversation for most people. And if you continue reading the entities that do see your data are:>Valve subsidiaries (themselves)>Third party customer support (ex. EA customer support, and only the relevant data)>Valves network providers (your IP and what you're trying to see)>Game developers can see game data relevant to their game such as ownership and achievements >Third party accounts that link to your steam account with your consent>Anyone requesting your data through a court order>Anything you post publicly can be seen by anyoneWhich is practically no one. Essentially they collect data that is relevant to:>Providing an online serviceFor the purpose of>Providing an online serviceAnd the third parties that can see it are relevant to>Providing an online servingI'm not autistic enough to get worked up over Valve collecting data that's relevant to providing me a service when the modern standard for data collecting is:>We sell your data>Provide you a service (maybe)
>>741136680>Buying videogamesLMAO! LOL EVEN
>>741151447>videogamesLMAO
>>741137902i legit have no idea how you retards end up with steam acting like this other than if you're running it on stone age hardware
>>741151559It's true though, if you don't try to pirate every game, you're an idiot.You don't even own the games, the only exception being GoG
I have 83 yous in this thread
>>741136169Why does the window lock up and refuse to be resized?
>>741151641What hardware do you have? I got a i7-14700k with a 3080 and 64GB RAM which is more or less average except for the amount of RAM (I got it for cheap), but even on my ancient PC that couldn't run New Vegas at high settings, I never had Steam lag on me.
>>741152210Ryzen 5 5600, 16GB RAM, RX6600 8GB, so a really entry level PCand before this, i had a Ryzen 3 2200G, 8GB RAM, RX580 8GB(i still use it as a couch PC with Bazzite), and still Steam never had issues or lagged
>>741152498What kind of ancient setup do people own to make Steam a laggy piece of shit then, I really have to wonder. Is it just Indians seething about Steam again?
>>741150670Steam is "acceptable" compared to some of the other software out there, but I really wish there was another way to get the same functionality besides embedding a full Chromium instance. Especially with the current RAM prices and most people being stuck with 16GB of RAM, the web helper eating up 600-700MB is not cool at all.
How the fuck can people claim steam doesn't have a fast UI, in comparison to what?Which game launcher has a fast ui?It takes 3 seconds to load the store from the library, half a second from any tab to library, like 1 second from any tab to profile, 1 sec to go from store to wishlist/cart, instant to go into download and selecting a game is less than a second.If this isn't fast then what is fast? Because Battlenet has like 15 games and the store still loads slower than steam.Let's not talk about anything else because it would be embarassing, especially epic games.
>>741152640I gotta wonder, when I compare all the Chromium-to-executable frameworks out there, why more people aren't using Tauri. Maybe Rust is just too immature, I dunno, not enough of a coder to say for sure. At least most companies have abandoned Electron I guess.
>>741152558no idea, but i also just noticed that anon has metascore showing on the game icons, as well as his profile name not being shown in the top row selection, being replaced with "profile" and "console", so i wouldn't be surprised if he's using some custom skin or extension of some sort>>741152640>the web helper eating up 600-700MB is not cool at allpic relatedi didn't even have to disable any particular setting in Steam at all, i have no idea how anyone's steam is using .5GB of RAM all the time for no reason
>>741152989Maybe if you've just launched Steam, but it absolutely uses a lot of RAM.
>>741153113>Maybe if you've just launched Steam,im >>741148675 so as i've said there, it's been running since this morning, 8 hours ago and with plenty of visits to the store and community pagesthe only thing i can think of, check if you have these enabled, and if not, try enabling them
>>741153113>Vivaldi eating 3 gigsJesus Christ, what is that software and why is it doing that.
>>741153257NTA, but it's a browser
>>741153257nta, it's a generic chromium fork, i.e. a web browser
>>741153226As you can see from Task Manager they're enabled, otherwise it wouldn't list the GPU used. >>741153257Yet another Chromium-based browser, but it's made from the former Opera devs.It's the closest you can get to old school Opera (which still isn't very close).
>>741148675Small mode was removed years ago.
>>741153415the "lite" mode enabled via command line was removed, Small Mode is still there
>>741136368>monopolytheres plenty to criticize steam for but 10/10 times this one comes from someone who doesnt know what monopoly means or is being disingenuous on purpose to push a very blatantly false, retarded narrative and regardless, both should be ignored and not taken seriously.Sorry that tim ignored PC as a platform for nearly 30 years and then gets asshurt that he cant even implement basic shit into his store like a proper review system and shopping cart and had to force people to use his store through actual predatory tactics like paid EGS exclusivity. Same shit as>steam is price fixing reein reality you just cant sell [[[[[steam keys]]]]] for a lower price. you can host a game yourself and sell it for whatever you want.to this day anti-steam posters have never offered a solution that wasnt immediately worse or exceedingly unrealistic.
>>741136680People with money are the dumbest people on the planet. You might think it takes intellect to obtain money and for some that could be true. But wanting money, making that your goal, and doing what you can to get money is absolutely retarded.
Old steam client just worked. You click a button and it works instantly.Nu-steam objectively sucks because web ui sucks. There is literally no reason for steam to not use native ui, only shills will say otherwise.fuck webjeets
>doesn't randomly log you out for no reasonMy issue with this is>finally does log me out>log in>requires authenticator>open steam app on phone for the code>it's also logged out>log in>wants authenticator too!!
>>741153465you speak of people not knowing what monopoly means but next sentence you write about price-fixing not knowing it is a collusive behavior and not a monopolistic onedon't you feel... silly? don't you feel... stupid? don't you feel... a little ashamed?
>>741153760Considering he's clearly quoting people making the argument Steam engages in price-fixing because they don't allow you to sell Steam keys for less than the Steam price, I feel like it's you who should feel a little ashamed. But it's OK, we all make mistakes.
>>741136169Steam Offline Mode doesn't even work, the option literally doesn't do anything when you click it. I want to switch to Offline Mode damnet, why won't it let me?!
>>741153760no because youre reading comprehension is horrific but thats what i would expect from someone who can only talk in memes
>>741154163think of all your friends and how much they would miss you if you were offline :(
>>741154185>minor spelling mistakeits over for me
>>741154361I'm gonna find you anon and then i will teach you how to sepll!
>>741154473i swear i can. I dont need any help. trust pls no bully
>>741138365>but do the games?Yes [on my machine].
Vertette my dear are you here how was your dinner and have you redrafted your article yet I am dying to read it
>>741136169>xir buys digital sloppaCouldn't be me
>>741155006>put 1s and 0s on a dvd, its physical media>put the exact same 1s and 0s on pic related all of a sudden its notphysical fags are just plastic addicts.
>>741154936Good. No.
>>741137416now all they need to do is get them addicted to crack and we can have multiple bossmanjacks to replace the one going to prison
>>741155235what did you have for dinner :3
>>741155478The blood of my enemies.
>>741155510that is so metal!! i am happy that i get to have such a hardcore friend would you like me to proofread your revised blogpost so you don't publish silly stuff again??
>>741155202There are only three valid arguments, really.1. But the DVD copy comes with a nice box for my shelf.2. But I could sell the DVD.3. But I could hypothetically acquire the 1s and 0s without an internet connection by going to the store to pick up a disc. (But in reality I'll just connect to the internet anyway to order the disc online and thus effectively download the game slowly via the postal service, lmao)
>>741155743No need, I've revised the article to your liking and the changes should be live now.
>>741153890Hell it isn't even price fixing but a no favored nation clause.But honestly most people have a poor grasp on legal terms.
>>741156424Well no, but then the vast majority of people complaining about Steam seem to be ESL and/or idiots at this point. Not that the platform is perfect by any means but the amount of idiots complaining about the most banal things is baffling.
>>741155860im a recordfag because i like the big art and i just think theyre neat. But at a certain point i know that my downloaded library is infinitely more workable/sharable/safe. If my HDD ever starts to click i can just offload it to another one in less than an hour. If my records start to go, its gg, or if my house catches fire, i have to buy each one individually again for probably more than what i originally bought them for. games are in a similar but unique situation that you almost certainly have to have an internet connection now adays to get the most out of your game. Hitman WoA is one of the worst examples and is honestly obscene with how it is.I dont like it and im not saying its preferable but people dont think about what it would actually be like to go through on a brand new computer and have to go to each and every game website to download/get access to the ones you want, or if the company goes under and stops paying for hosting, or if they just decide to stop hosting the game. Steam adds a shit load of value for me simply for having everything in a single, easily accessible space that does all of the hosting because i have had a computer destroyed in a flood and had to start from scratch. just thinking about going site to site to site just to get my games back stresses me out.
>>741156923That and throw people console warring into the mix and you get the shitshow these threads always become.
>>741156424Bro you tried to act all smug acting like you're a lawyer or something but can't even get the name of the clause right, it's MOST favored nation clause man I'm dying here. Also, MFN's if construed widely and utilized by a large enough entity may be deemed anticompetitive. Nuh uh no googling now haha. Don't act like you're hot shit if you don't even know the basics. Vertette here's a new one for you to research and no more calling other people ESL you're Dutch yourself buddy!!
>>741157821What is your obsession with this guy? If you want to be his friend so badly you can do it off the site.
>>741136169>fast uiwhat even makes a nigger come up with that? steam is everything but not a fast ui
>>741157945read >>741148675 and watch >>741151641
have sex
>>741158039read >>741158109
>>741157889So nothing on the MFN bit? Bit embarrassing for you bro.
>>741158170your mom asked me to tell you it's time to stop posting
>>741158209Your autism is a bit embarrassing. And with a bit, I meant you spent 5 hours passive aggressively telling someone he needed to revise his blog post.
>>741158462Vertette please don't be like this I love you, you are sooo so smart especially when you argue things you have no clue about but act like you are an authority on them, it makes me all hot and bothered. 18/f/cali btw
a lot of video game related discourse nowadays seems to be people complaining about literally every single thing being unoptimized and requiring x10 more resources than it needs and people responding with "erm are you poor"
>>741158795when I am the poor one and my PC is entry level and i have none of these supposed issues, i have to wonder if it's actually people's fault and not the supposed unoptimization
steam sucks
>>741159143You are poor and brown.
>>741136169>censors free speech>deletes reviews tricking the consumer >allows shills from game developers to pollute discussions
>>741159330Steam bad saar.
>>741158625I don't know who that is and I don't care, but seeing you argue about this shit for literal hours over terms everyone perfectly understands is pretty goddamn autistic. I'd get tested if you haven't been already.
>>741136169>>doesn't randomly log you out for no reasonthis made me ragequit epicI stopped claiming the free games and everything
>>741159912>shills for censorship
>>741160431It's a problem that has plagued the launcher since it launched in 2014 and Epic still hasn't done anything about it.
>>741140004they are free to put their games on GOG :)oh wait they don't because what they want is for us to have 20 accounts for each of their own storefrontFUCK THEM
>>741160335>over terms everyone perfectly understandsYour post was fine until this. You people have no clue about basic anti trust terms and I don't expect to you know about these things but going around and spouting them not knowing what they mean is kind of silly. I mean it will get you only so far until someone who actually knows this stuff shows up and you end up looking like a dummy. Just look at that guy trying to sound like he has a clue and can't even get the name of the clause right.This area is what I do for a living so I find it really hard not to engage, I'm sure you understand. I'll try my damnedest to ignore these threads going forward.
>>741161137Everybody is ignoring you or insulting you not because you know your shit, but cause you're acting like the world's biggest sperg. You've been at it for over six hours now. Even if you just made the occasional post while doing other things it's really pathetic, dude.
>>741161271whatever helps you cope boyo
>>741136185>>741136261>>741136279These are all the people you see in threads complaining about modern games not running on their 2014 GPU and CPUs anymore
>>741150038>>741149916>>741150270You dumb retarded little bitches. Click this and presto, all you're gonna see now is patch notes. Does that fix your little problem?
blardy fak u india will win.
>>741136185Same. The added more shit daily, with more "tweaks" adding nothing of value, reworks in every page for no reason at all. But sure, "fast ui".
>>741153465>in reality you just cant sell [[[[[steam keys]]]]] for a lower price. you can host a game yourself and sell it for whatever you want.would you look at that, someone who actually knows what he's saying...a couple of friends of mine made a game on steam, costs 13 euroafter a few months they asked valve if they could also put their game on itch.io for 10 eurovalve's answer was basically a long retell of all the conditions about not reselling to other stores at a lower price and so on and on, but it also ended that as long as they didn't give steam keys for the game on itch.io, then they're free to set their own price on therewhich means that they make more money for each sale on itch.io(on there you are free to reduce the store fee down to 0% from the 10% default) than they do on steam(around 9 euro for each sale)needless to say they still earn more from steam purchases given they got a few thousands downloads vs barely 150 on itch.io, but still valve themselves allowed them to put a lower price on the game as long as no steam key was provided
>>741136185kek thisyou just know OP is brown or a simply a retard or both
>>741162889No, you fucking dumb retard, it does not solve anything.Did you come here to just make a fool of yourself, with your 'great solution' that was already discussed and doesn't work?
>/v/ - third-worlders with shit computers that can't even handle a computer program, much less modern games (that they can't afford anyway)& also>/v/ - retards that don't know a basic settings menu to turn off unwanted featuresThis is the most embarassing thread I've seen in a long while. We seriusly need apartheid on /v/ NOW! I don't give a shit if most of this is just shitposting. KILL EVERYONE.>>741163250How the FUCK does that not solve precisely what you're complaining about, you fucking imbecile clown retard? That simple toggle literally turns off exactly the "ads" you're complaining about.
>>741136256try it againI have zero issues now that they added controller support to Galaxythey still need linux support though, lutris and heroic are decent but not good enough
>>741137902>discord>chromeeww get out of here tranny
>>741153527Ha ha ha. Okay, poorfag. Maybe I'll buy a blowjob from your mommy out of charity one day.
>>741163932BTFO
>>741136169This piece of buggy dogshit was slowing down to a crawl trying to view an achievement list for a game the other day on my maxed out rig
>>741163010>Guys has long has the game stayed in Steam its okNo it’s not ok to mislead people into believing you are selling a game and tell them to download a launcher, sign up to a company that illegally does stuff around the globe and hope Valve doesn’t revoke it. When it’s perfectly can run without Steam installed.
>>741167267there is a high chance that this might currently be the most retarded post on /v/
>>741167435Imagine not owning a car and paying monthly plus interest to just drive it. That’s how Steam Key works dumbass.
>>741167435This entire thread is retarded
>>741167794do not speak to me until your english gets better, then maybe you can understand what people are saying.
>>741167794... What? How is buying a digital access key the same as monthly financing a car?
>>741167794What? No one pays for steam monthly making an account is free.
>>741168354Third worlders are retarded, please understand.
>>741168501>Third worlders are retarded, please understand.I want to see their justification. You know how watching an aeroplane crash is entertaining in a morbid way? But then you want to know why it crashed. I want to know why anon's brain crashed into that comparison.
>>741167267you are retardedmy friends sell their game BOTH on Steam and on itch.ioon Steam, the game costs 13 euroon itch.io, the game costs 10 euro, and comes with NO STEAM KEY, you simply get the zip file with the game files, and you play it, WITHOUT Steam.so no, it's 100% not "as long as the game stays in Steam its ok", it's "as long as you DONT provide a Steam key with the purchase, you can indeed sell your game on another store at a lower price than Steam"
>>741136169>Game recording timeline breaks for no reason>Exporting anyway makes a choppy videoONE TRILLION POINTS TO OBS
>>741167968all of you who claim Steam UI isn't fast should record how "slow" it is on your end, cause so far only ONE anon did it, and another anon proved him wrong showing how much faster it actually is
>>741163387because you retarded fucking jeet it doesn't fucking do that! It hides some of the spam, but NOT most of it! try it before posting and go fuck yourself.
>>741167794take transit instead
>bragging about a launcher you don't even own
>>741136169Why did they do it? The old ui was perfect and it never had any performance issues, not even in low-end devices like my own. I'll miss being able to purchase steam games using cash.
>>741153527If someone earns money without doing anything?
>>741167435nah baby long as you in the mix we good I'm black so I can talk this way
>>741153113And if you use an SSD?
>>741169075>Jacek112PLexcuse me while I get your personal details
>>741169360What do you mean? Do you think I'm running Steam and Windows off a HDD or something?
just leave it in library >303MB
>>741136185FPBPAlso LMAOing at the jeet shills trying to >>>read pls saaar read!!!
>>741170314Yes saar steam bad Epic game good. Please redeem.
>tfw getting old and have to browse 4chainz at 175% cus my eye sight ain't what it used 2 bbros I just turned 30 what the hell
>press steam shortcut>opens in 5 seconds>click and drag game icon around like the webms in this thread>instant response, no slowdowns, moves in sync with my cursor the entire timefeels great being an american man
>>741170442No one is saying that ranjeesh
>>741136169just don't open it in any browser then sure.
>>741153527Holy shit that's funny, I almost thought you were serious
>>741136169>>fast ui>uses 500MB of your VRAM even when the window is closed
>>741136169>doesn't randomly log you out for no reasonVery underrated feature.
>no longer have to use steam since I only play old games nowI am free
>>741137416uhhhhh no?the only games that have that are rated for adults.Are you a child going places you shouldn't?
>>741137689>every time I slander this thing everyone uses and knows about, SOMEONE dares to defy me!>it must be one person!pajeets are soo stupid lol
>anons dunking on the "fast UI" partI have a fucking laptop with an i5 2350m and It's fairly smooth even for me, what kind of potato have those anon got?
>>741172248It's such a bizarre thing to see.I hope he is just shitposting and isn't actually that retarded.
>>741173204its a dedicated pajeetof course he is that retarded
>>741173204>>741173674now kiss :3
>>741174002kiss this*unzips dick*
>>741174404gay faggot
the only slow part about the steam client for me is the friends list, and i'm assuming thats because of all the point shop effects, everything else happens near instantly, i use arch btw
>>741137902Never had this issue when I was on windows 7, pentium 4 and geforce 210 last year and don't have it now when im on win11 with the latest hardware
>>741175349samepajeets can eat shit
thread energy
>>741136169The UI is oppressively ugly and unusable and has no customization options. Too bad valve cultists have such low expectations. Third party launchers like playnite are superior.
>>741137416That’s fine. White people are allowed to sell gambling to children. It’s only a problem when Chinese people do it and it’s not actually gambling, it’s paying forrandom characters, ie a lootbox.
>>741178620Both are gay
>>741136169>defending ram-hogging electronshitkill yourself ASAP OP
>>741174002>>741174404>>741174443You butt hurt boys are so silly!>>741175349>when I was on windows 7, pentium 4 and geforce 210 last yearBruh.........>im on win11 with the latest hardwareWhat's your current specs right now? I already know that you won't tell me because you're embarrassed about your outdated computer.
>>741148675>>741138469>>741136169>steam drones are so mind broken they rush to the defense of electron web apps.
>i'm on windows 11is already a red flag for stability
>>741136169The singular complaint I have about Steam is that my custom game logos have bugged out and most of them do not show when I click on the corresponding game for unknown reasons.
>>741169075I and everyone were wondering why they downgraded UI back then. A popular theory was it was some valve employees trying to justify their existence. But looking at how woke and censorship happy valve was during last decade, people in charge at Valve are just the same unpleasant people at charge at every other westoid vidya company. I mean how else do you explain that steam box tranny advertisement? How else do you explain sweet baby partner up? It all makes sense.
>>741136169>fast>chromium fat slop???
