>gorgeous open world>thousands of lines of party banter>day/night cycle>weather cycle>hundreds of enemy types that can attack each other>spells effect world around you and freeze water etc>multiple mounts including ground, boat, and flying>multiple mini games>cute girl guest party membersFinal Fantasy XV is the best Final Fantasy game. You might not like it. You might not respect it. But it simply is the truth
>>741155050LOL
>>741155050>>741155050trvke
>>741155050moar leik final FAGGOTsy lmfao
I wish we got the Aranea dlc
And yet its performs like trash on every pc on earth. Plus if “hold o to attack” is your idea of good gameplay then just watch a movie
XV has a ton of flaws but the biggest one besides the half assed story is the combat. It's fucking horrible and feels like it was made by retard who've never played an action game in their lives. That said, I actually liked the road trip part. Some people find it boring, but I thought it was pretty comfy. If they ever re-released XV with a revamped combat system like 7R, it'd be an easy 8/10 for me. But I doubt they could fix all its problems, the whole game's just a wasted potential mess.
OP's shitposting aside, things to do to have fun with XV:>turn on the hidden stamina bar in the options menu. Makes running way more engaging>for more than half the game, play Noctis as an assassin/strategist. Almost all of his attacks revolve around back stabs and managing combat. >play mostly defensively. This isnt a KH like action game till much later. Look for openings and attack weak spots. This often activates neat cinematic attacksThat's pretty much it. It's a diamond in the rough with some genuinely great and memorable moments when played right, the problem is too many people try and play it as a straight up action game out the gate. Also, one of the genuinely saddest aspects of the game is there is no difficulty to properly account for character switching. There's a ton of neat, even cuhrayzee combo set ups you can do once you unlock that mechanic, but because the game was balanced around one playable character you'll absolutely MELT even secret bosses if you are somewhat proficient at games like DMC4. If there was a new game+ critical mode that actually required you to use the various party members and their mechanics it very well could have been a 9/10 game.
>>741155906Also, the prequel movie is better than it has any right to be. It doesn't get enough love.
>>741155050It has no meaningful gameplay at any point in the game because of the Phoenix Down problem. Complete unmitigated slop gameplay with no weight or player agency. Don't even mention the unfinished shitty story.
>fixes all the problems of the original
>>741155689All of that shit should've just been part of the game.
>shitty story>shitty gameplay that you have to mod to make it even remotely fun>side quests that boils down to 20 bear asses literally because mmo devs
>>741156131I forgot about that. I handicapped myself in that area. Healing items desperately needed a cool down, but honestly, if you knew how to play it (ie: >>741155906) you never even really ran the risk of party members dying. I feel like these sorts of games always make me sad as they have the bits and pieces in there for something genuinely great, but there was just something that kept them from being pulled together. .hack GU and Memory of Heroez were some games I played recently that felt the same. All the mechanics are in there for something profoundly good, but either budget, inexperience, or higher ups meddling killed the final product.
>>741155050The post-timeskip Noctis incel phenotype (hapa superannuated twink with teenage facial hair) killed the game for me. I think of Tim Pool when I see him
fuck you i liked it
I finished all 6 pixel remasters in 2025, and every time I try a new one like 7 Remake, 15 or 16 it's just painful. I'm not sure how you can get so much worse at making games.
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>>741155050>Set spells to autocast>Hold down one button>Game plays itself while you watch
>>741156308Redpill me on pocket editionIs it really just FF15 with worse graphics?
>>741156605Budget. Massive dev teams killing a unified vision.Focus groups and suits coming in telling you to change things constantly.Ethics departments telling you to dedicate time to changing stupid things. Technology making people lazy.Take your pick.
>>741156636I used to look for tougher fights at night just so she'd show up
>got ff15 cheapo a few days ago>haven't played much yet because wagie >actually like the roadtrip with the boys cringe because it's memberberries >like the braindead gameplay because it's still doable brainafk after an 10 hour shiftIs this what the kids call peak unc slop?
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>>741156715Imagine XV that strip out all the freedom of road trip exploration and simplify the gameplay, that's the Pocket Edition.
>>741156465That's okay, but (You) lack discernment.
>>741156827Shame her playable DLC was cut. I'd feel worse about the Noctis DLC getting cut, but the story was going to be absolutely pants on head.
>>741156704you spam basic attack on random minion encounters 99% of the time in 99% of RPGS however
>>741155050>multiple mountsit had multiple mounts?
>>741156916So basically any modern AAA title.
>>741155906Oh, also also, I recommend JP dub. English dub sounds super anime where as, for the most part, the JP dub tries to have them sound like normal people aside from Prompto. This thread actually has me in the mood for a replay.
Never forget what they took from you
>>741157229Why didn't we get this?
>>741157274money constraints aka ((()))
yea f15 was so fucking shit i cannot believe it. like, last nail in SQ coffin. FF games stopped releasing for like 10 years or something.if SQ didn't had ff14, what would they do i wonder.
>>741157229Eh, there were a lot of things that were in Versus XIII that either made it into the game or movie. I remember there was a pic of all these Versus XIII concept pieces, and almost all of them were in XV. The biggest sin was that they cut the character switching to add in later as it completely borked the games balancing. Also, Versus XIII looked awful from a gameplay point of view when it was shown off... though the fake gameplay they showed off from XV was inexcusable. Basically, the city was just going to be XV's Midgar.
Terrible game with underdeveloped chars, horrible story and soulless VA. Posting in a Bazztek thread.
>>741155050>Gay homo sausagefestNo thanks, frilly boy
>>741157370okay not to be that guy but don't be a dumb gorilla nigger, you can't let something be a money/resource pit forever, at some point ambition meets reality and one of them will inevitably lose
>>741157370This is a Japanese company thoughbeit
>>74115505015 sucked pure unadulterated shit, to the point where even 16 was better and felt more complete. Seethe 15troons.
>>741157441Or put another way, don't think you missed out on too much. I think Versus XIII lives as a legend in a lot of peoples minds due to the god tier trailer that really captured the early 2000's edge perfectly.
>>741157229I don't know, back then I basically had zero interest on the game based on that Nomura slop trailer where red eyed Noctis sits on the throne like some stereotype edgelord anime character.
>>741157274Because of this guy, XV wouldn't have to exist in the first place if he didn't fuck up Versus XIII. It's 100% his fault.
>>741157663What did he do? QRD plz?
>>741157568yet FFXV is more memorable>Final Fantasy XV cost them around $50~$100 million USD to make and grossed around $80 million its first week. (Figures hypothesized, no official statement made)>Final Fantasy XVI cost them $300 million USD to make and grossed around $84 million its first week>FFXV shipped 5 million copies on day one and later exceeded 10 million copies sold worldwide.>FFXVI sold 3 million copies in its first week.
>>741158313Not really wanting to add flames to the fire, but two things got me to ultimately not pick up XVI even though I love the combat director.>numerous anons confirmed XVI is 80% cutecenes, 20% gameplay. After MGS4 I stay away from that for anything more than 10 bucks>watched a video of the details and physics comparison and XVI continues the trend of making beutiful graphics with barely any meaningful interaction with the world around youStill, when XVI gets super cheap I'll play it
>>741155050>>thousands of lines of party banterThis is a good thing if the characters are good. Unfortunately in FFXV this mean 1000s of lines from a gay twink, a gay butler, and a bara bodyguard. I wanted to kick in Prompto's teethe everytime he wanted to stop and take a picture. I hate fujoshi so much for cursing FF with such awful characters.
>>741157949Nomura doesn't have a good track record when it comes to developing games without getting stuck in development hell. He is very likely the reason why Versus XIII was canceled.
>>741158482>Still, when XVI gets super cheap I'll play itIt was on sale really cheap with all DLC on Xbox about two months ago, which is why I'm slowly playing through it now.>>741158558>I wanted to kick in Prompto's teethe everytime he wanted to stop and take a picture.I hope my IRL friends don't feel that way about me every time I fall behind to take a photo.
>>741158558Nip dub sorta fixes that. Eng dub made them all gay anime archetypes. In the JP dub they come across as a lot more laid back and normal aside from prompto making them a lot more likable. Prompto still sucks just as bad though and even sticks out worse than in the eng dub due to the contrast between him and the others.
>>741158558It was originally supposed to have more party members but that was changed.
>>741158558those sidequests aside, the mechanic of prompto taking random photos throughout the day was one fucking amazing. so many good shots during combat.
>>741155050>spells effect world around you and freeze water etcSpells were one of the worst things about XVI. They were just there because the devs knew people expected it, so they made them a big visual show, but ultimately they were not only incredibly useless on anything that wasn't a minor enemy, but you could only hold 2 of them and they used WAY too many resources to create.
>>741155050The combat is dogshit. That killed all the hype for me. Literally>hold x to attack>hold o to dodgeBoring as FUCK
>>741157949Square kept stealing people from the Versus team to either make FFXIII-2 or help fix FFXIV. But people like to blame Nomura for everything, it's always been like this for retards.
>>741155050too too gay
>>741159350Don't be retarded, anon. The whole FNC project was already going to shit by the time XIII-2 was in production because it was originally only supposed to have two spin-offs, Versus XIII and Agito XIII. Nomura's vision for Versus XIII was too ambitious to pull off which is why the project went haywire.
>>741159853Not that anon, but there were a lot of gears turning and breaking by that point. XIII was trying to be some massive, multimedia project like XV was (looking back, its funny how square learned absolutely nothing), XIII was met with a mixed reception and their initial confidence in their whole extended universe faltered pretty hard. They may have initially promised Nomura a much bigger scope than they were comfortable with after XIII floundered. Then Agito happened, had to be rebranded, and still failed. By that point I'm sure they were in a panic. They had all these big plans going into the 7th, but like a lot of other nip studios the jump was particularly hard for them and almost every game they put out did worse than the last. I think by that point they had either pulled the plug on Versus or were evaluating what to do with the assets.
>>741160265And I don't think Nomura was squeaky clean either. If you watch the early gameplay, I think that Square ultimately made the right decision to try and take it in another direction. It looked pretty clunky and just not fun. I think the scope he was going for definitely outweighed his pedigree and was fast tracking the game to be one of squares worst.
I'm pissed that we are locked out of 100% trophying it forever now. Comrades DLC is no longer available, so it's impossible to get those trophies.
>>741160265Type-0's failure was due to not being released in the west until the XV demo came out. The game was designed with handheld in mind so the controls didn't translate well to console, and the HD graphics made the game look worse. That was honestly a failure of management rather than the game itself. I'm sure if the game had come out sooner and received a proper localization, it would have been a huge success on the PSP and Versus XIII would have gotten better treatment.
>>741160690It pisses you off even more when you realize the DLC is still in the game files and fully playable offline. They just removed the option to access it for whatever retarded reason.
>>741155050I wish they did away with the shit plot and just let it be a "road trip with your bros" simulator.>Go camping>Explore huge open world>Park outside national forests>Tons of treasure and secrets in those on-foot regions>Cook new foods>Go fishing>Fight monsters and save normal people>Wingman for your bros at beach side bars>Get into fist fights with drunk hicks>Add in StarOcean 2 level crafting systems>Upgrade your car and race localsCould have been so based
>>741160836Eyup, but that's what I'm saying. Just a lot of gears turning and falling out of place one by one. I mean, look at how they almost scuffed the FF7R (and some would argue, still did). But theirs is a story shared by pretty much every big developer now of days... cept western devs. A lot of their issues are self inflicted wounds, where as nip devs it's mostly issues managing inflated budgets, development teams, and genuine missteps.
I'm fucking sick of the final fantasy spam threads.
>>741161165I'm fucking sick of you.
>>741161165Not your safe space Zeldatranny
XV is underrated, I can't think of a game that better exemplifies "heavy is the head that wears the crown", and if you can, you must tell me the name so I can go play that game too. The last campfire scene makes me tear up every time.
>>741162406couldn't have said it better myself
If dragons dogma 2 can get a fucking update why can’t we?
>>741163278It's true that XV is old enough for a soft remake, but I doubt SE will take the risk, especially when they've abandoned the Luminous engine.
>>741163278I want to believe
>>741162406The campfire scene is the only time I can think of in a game where I cried. There are other parts of other games that give me emotions but nothing like that.For how much everyone cries that Versus XIII ended up not happening, I am very happy that we got a story about brotherhood, loyalty, and embracing responsibility as opposed to the "there's a prince and a princess and they love each other but they're like not allowed woahhh" that the original shit seemed to be.
>>741155906Nixperience band. You can level 1 run the game and it’s quite interesting if you do. The combat is far from exceptional but it definitely has interesting moments if you don’t let attack spam be effective.
>>741163534>Kairi!>I WILL find you>”…when you walk away, you don’t hear me say…”Don’t lie to me, that shit choked you up just like it choked me up
>>741155050Other than half of the middle section of the game feeling like it's missing, I to this day do not understand why people hate this game so muchIt was fucking kino
>>741163534Well, the 'princess' is easily the worst and most hated part of the game. But the thing is, the story kinda forced it to turn out that way. She could've been a fine childhood love interest if they'd written her properly.
>>741163810Because the actual gameplay is fucking boring
>>741155689We got a Prompto DLCA FUCKING PROMPTO DLCWHY DID THEY CANCEL THE ARANEA ONEWHAT THE FUCK
>>741155050Too bad it's not finished.
>>741163929YES ARANEA BRO BE FUCKING MAD ABOUT IT WITH ME AAAAAAAAA
>Side character gets a part dedicated to them>He can become so motivated that he solos the main antagonist and forces a perfect endingone of my favourite rare kino tropes. I loved this DLC.
>>741164380I miss this retard pausing us every few steps to tell everyone he's come up with a new recepeh
>>741163663Can you still gain the skills and take advantage of character swapping? Might give that a go if so
>>741164380Name one other game that does this.
>>741155050You forgot:>Shit enemy designe>Incoherent looking npcs and towns the feels like asset flip>last third of the game is a 15 hour cinematic corridor >90% of the really interesting locations you can't explore>Dumbass history that was chopped to sell DLC's, a dumpster fire of a movie and anime.>Absmal trashy dungeons
>>741162406>The last campfire scene makes me tear up every time.I got the cried like a fucking bitch award
>>741161043It apparently is possible still but requires to jump through quite a few hoops. You need a physical copy of Royal Edition, and then use a downgrade software, and hope that you have a code that still works, and it would then let you download the DLC. And then you have to keep offline so it won't auto-update and kill the DLC.
>>741163476Nips problem is that they don't fucking train enough young people. They could easily do like Capcom and have a team dedicated to remake projects but they are going to disband 7r team despite finally found a combat they perfected in 7 years lmao
>>741164750Not a game but Samwise Gamgee is the best example I was thinking of for "side character actually carries the team and saves the day"
>>741158313Everyone was like 20 younger and watched the kino dark Sasuke trailer for 10 years Times changed
>>741155050Bloat doesn’t change the fact that the fundamentals of the game are garbage
>>741155906could be fun but given how you can literally fly indefinitely in the air and shower your opponents with attacks? i'd rather play more in a "stylish" way. there are some cool abilities to have fun with. teleporting is also incredibly versatile as an i-frame button, dodge tool and gap closer. this game is just one little revision away to become what the FF7 remake turned into with Rebirth
>>741166067I was 11 when I first saw the first trailer and I still remember the hype I felt that day. No other game trailer has ever made me feel the way Versus XIII did. It just took me 20 years to realize I was chasing a game that never even existed.
>>741155906Played it on release, went all the way thru the double Costlemark. I never really understood the hate for the game. The combat even has a style system once you learn it where you can do special animations(loved the crit spear for this)The kings arms mechanics I also liked a lot, it gave you the ability to make some really interesting builds.>>741157229This did hurt the introduction significantly if you ask me. Mostly because it skips the establishing of your party.
>>741164912>last thirdI can excuse the other stuff. When the game originally came out I thought that shit was gonna end and there would be more game after it. Nope. You can go walk up to the final boss now. The game was unfinished, it was blantantly obvious, but it had a lot of good going for it as well.
>>741156715>>741156916I read that the final battle added more dialog that would have made more sense being in the main game so it sounds like even the story was different.
>>741168038>This did hurt the introduction significantlyThat's why fixing XV is an impossible task without remaking the prologue, which might as well mean remaking the entire game. A simple re-release won't cut it, and no one is retarded enough to waste money on a half assed game a second time.
One thing that always stays in my mind is that fucking snake in the sewers outside the city. Just absolute show of how bad the combat is against large bosses.
>>741155050>gorgeous open worldIt's literally the worst open-world ever made. It feels like it was deliberately made to prove all the worst OW stereotypes right: empty, takes forever to traverse, has nothing to do except boring fetch/hunt quests, it doesn't even has nice cities to visit, only 1 town and a shithole of copy-pasted.It's not even a real "open" world, since it's full of invisible walls and unexplorable areas, and the 2nd half is a linear hallway.The worst Genshin Impact nation is 3 times better than the entirety of FFXV's world in every possible regard
>>741170234>a shithole of copy-pasted*military bases
Why do WRPGs get away with having terrible combat, but JRPGs don’t?
>>741168979wish we got that webm and that comrades was an open world drop in drop out coop type game
>>741155050Sorry, but you lost. XV is forgotten.
>>741167438Those were better times too
>>741170690Everyone expects them to, because most console players never played the old PC only games.
i remember being a youth on this site and always seeing oldfags grumble how everything FF post enix merger is trash. they were right. it's been almost twenty years of me hoping for something decent after 10 and it's all dogshit.
>>741172182Damn, uncle, you must be a really oldfag here. I only arrived here in 2017
I want to go back...
/v/ only hates FF 15 because it's male focused and /v/ is so addicted to porn and worshiping femoids that they can't stand a game in which women are not the focus.
>>741158764>>741157663>>741160265Nomura didn't manage company resources you dumb assholes>>741159350This. The annoying fucking part is they finally gave him the resources but pulled him off the fucking team to work on FF7Remake instead. And then people blame him for the Whispers when he said himself that he was wanting to do a direct remake and Nojima is the one that wanted to do the twists.
FFXV is the only game i never finishedlike i genuinely tried but the combat system was so unresponsive
>>741170690the expected wrpg experience is getting to be mean in dialogue and maybe fuck up your playthrough doing it. no one cares about the gameplay being shit because being janky shit is part of what makes them fun to playthe expected jrpg experience is just the combat being a vehicle for the story which is a vehicle for the combat and there's very little room for variance in it
