>>741186836
Why aren't the modern audience buying the games?

housemarque isn't getting shut down. no other studio is making those kinds of games.

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>>741186836
Beamdog is out.
Haven is out
Whoever made destruction all stars is out
The people that used to make games like little bit planet but now make no games

>>741186836
does sony even own a single good studio?

>>741186836
Should have asked BLM, faggots and trannies to support them back

>>741186836
LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOOOOOOOOR

>>741186836
Please let it be real. It would be so fucking hilarious to see western game industry crashing again.

>hero extraction shit flops
>800,000 people lose their jobs

i dont care

>>741186836
Bend Studio 100%. They had live service sloppa cancelled last year so they had to pitch something which was rejected by Sony. This means they dont have anything even in active pre-production. 1 to 1 like Bluepoint situation basically.

>>741186932
The modern audience doesn't play games. It's an aesthetic. It's a literally meee sticker on a laptop and a poster on a wall

>>741186836
Returnal was good. So just fire who made Saros indian etc.

Fire everyone that made any of the spidermans.
Fire everyone that made any of the god of wars.
Fire anyone that made astro bot.
Pretty much fire everyone but Marathon Devs.
Re-establish London, Soho, Leeds, Liverpool. Etc Wipeout and Getaway.
Turn Guerilla back into Killzone, or Marathon, or something new.

Stop with the Asian shit. If it is Asian or depicts Asians fire who did it.

Same with niggers etc.

Supply Square with Staff to make the Next FF good. Real time combat. Triggers and shoulder buttons.

Make more devices and settings for disabled people. Eg incorporate PSVR in everything. Make it glasses. Make it a means to move and perform actions. Whatever people have. Like making sound. Blinking. Looking.

Up the polling rate. And or use a better input medium.

Anyone has a problem with no pedo shit. Fire them.

>>741186836
wasn't marathon a huge success? I remembersome fucks making thread after thread praising it.

>>741186836
>Marathon is a flop
No it isn't. It's one of the best games of this generation.

>>741186836
why can't they ever give some chud off /v/ $200 million to make a video game, at least then it would make money and they might even have a valuable IP

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What made them think that a pajeet MC was a good idea?

>>741186836
>HosemarqUe
About time
Those retarded nepo baby finns havnt made a good game EVER
Why does sony keep them afloat?

>>741186836
wowee its almost like the numbers were all lies and these studios never made anything of value since sony and microsoft are willing to torch them all without a second thought

>Microsoft does it first with Xbox
>Gets the shitty PR
>Sony follows after with PlayStation
>Gets almost nothing by comparison
>As usual
Sony is really going to miss Xbox when they get sold off or spun off or whatever. They'll have to actually do something first for a change and accept the PR problems with it regardless.

>>741188140
Nah. They're top tier. Saros is probably their first bad game.

>>741187916
>Returnal was good. So just fire who made Saros indian etc.

Dumbass soiboi
Why not hire the hr chicken who made returnal an ugly bitch?

>>741188140
Returnal sold 1.5 million copies both on PS5 and PC and reminder it was one of first actual PS5 hardware exclusives and it released without competition. Sony bought studio during their panic buying spree after muttsoft. It took them 5 years to shit out Saaros and it bombed. Not suprising since Returnal sold like ass for praise it got and as I said even with big boost being one of first "next gen" PS5 only exclusive titles.

>>741186836
Hopefully anyone who isn't Japanese gets fired. It's time to fully clean house from the failed Layden/Ryan/Hulst regime.

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>>741188287
>They're top tier
HAHAHAHA
since acquired by sony, they have made norhing but mid indie slop

>>741186932
Yeah, it's horrible what these people did. So many are now losing their jobs because modern audience people and journalists where defending the direction these studios went with their games and then apparently didn't buy them - Were they lying? That's so evil.

>>741188246
Sony is waiting until last moment before quarter ends. MS just had leaked shit thats why. Sony is edging until last moment, same with other publishers like EA. If it doesnt leak then studios often learn about their closures same time public does for a reason lol.

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>>741188082
If only you knew how bad things really are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFvN8PYwU-k

>>741188361
What drove them to make the returnal protagonist an unappealing granny?
Literally lost atleast million sales because of that single fact

>>741187916
What a strange opinion.

>Sony and Microsoft are closing studios, laying off a ton of employees
>new studios will form and hire a bunch of talented devs desperate for work
>these studios won't have to deal with shareholders or parent companies/publishers stifling creativity
>and yet they'll be hungry for their first games to be successful
the future is looking good bros

>>741186836
kwab

>>741186836
Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Instead of making good and not pozzed games made with jewish dei advisors these CEOs and boards just shut down studios with no plans to return their money?
What's next? Micronigger and SNOY completely closing their game dev and publishing divisions?
I'm kinda puzzled. They literally don't want to earn money. With the jew you never win, eh?

Sony now owns Elden Ring, they don't need these losers

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>"and then we told them they had to target the MODERN AUDIENCE to survive"

>>741188580
>new studios will form and hire a bunch of talented devs desperate for work
Not without Chinese or Saudi funding.

>>741188580
>they will find financing to make their dream games!

At best, they end up like Gang of Dragon

>>741186836
>Xbox nigger deflecting
Back to Twitter.

>>741188769
A lot of these upcoming layoffs are from Tencent and NetEase owned or funded studios kek

>>741188908
Its same journo who leaked muttsoft layoffs you lil snoygro.

>>741188082
They went out of their way to cuck the pajeet MC too. I'd be furious if I was a jeet

>>741188580
>talented devs
>code monkeys and hacks that have no ideas and have never worked on anything good
at best you'll get more mixtapes

>>741188923
Yea, all the funding has dried up. These layoffs are gonna feel pretty permanent.

>>741188580
isn't MS full of contract workers now? you're not really gonna get quality of people who know they won't be around to see the job through until the end

>>741188580
LOL
Microsaar will hire them to shit out another yearly call of duty title

>>741186932
Turns out communists aren't very good capitalists.

all they had to do was make fun games, lmao

>>741186836
The great game industry crash is upon us, finally.

The problem is almost exclusively american developers

housemarques weirdo mc design decisions are influenced by the same retarded american higher ups

If i were a console publisher i would massively invest in cheaper asian and european studios, fill that exclusive library and take some creative risks for once by trying new genres and gameplay styles.

And for the love of god stop hiring american/anglo writers for your games

>>741186932
Short answer: Gaming industry is boring, Covid gave the industry false positive results, gaming is just something to waste/pass time with again.

Longer answer: Nobody buys games anymore. We've known this for a long time now. Covid was the a huge false positive on this industry and prior to it the industry was going right in the shitter commercially.

Any why should anyone buy games anymore? They are just asset flips of games that came out years ago with maybe one slight tweak, remasters, remakes and reimaginings that all look and play the same anyway. May as well just play something on the phone for a few minutes than throw away $70+ dollars on yet another "cinematic experience with stunning visuals #14839372", "extraction shooter #574928474", or "I flip around and kill things with a sword/gun with a bunch of lights and particle effects and stunning graphics #999999999999".

It's boring and this was bound to happen, but this is what people cried and whined that they wanted (particularly the people who are now in their 30s and 40s who are the only ones left hold video games to this regard), so here we are. Nothing is exciting about playing games the same way you had for 4 decades, so mix that with the fact that there are many other things besides video games that take up the attention of the younger generations (where we didn't have as much growing up) and here we are.

Finally nobody gives a shit about exclusive games locked to a console anymore except, again, the people who are now in their 30s and 40s. For everyone else, if they can't play a game on what they already have, they just find something else to do, play whatever they CAN get or don't play anything. Roblox for example would be nothing if it were exclusive to any of the boxes. So unless your game is multiplat, have fun trying to broaden your reach when console sales are stagnating.

At least that's how I feel

>>741186972
no, plenty of other studios are also making flops too

>>741189386
housemarque is finnish retard

>>741188580
you'll know things have stabilized when devs are publicly accepting of endless crunch again

>>741188449
wow, that's a lot of games I've never heard of. I thought they just made returnal and saros

WE DON'T NEED YOU CHUDS, W-

ACK!!!!!

>>741186836
>fairgames still hasn't been canceled
What kind of fucking retard is making these descisions at sony, do they enjoy burning money?

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>>741188580
>Assuming there are talented devs at those studios
>Assuming there will be someone willing to finance them

Pretty much every game that succeeds these days comes from Japan or China or Korea or some random Eastern European Country. Theres no point even making games in America or Canada anymore as they all bomb and cost like half a billion to develop.

>>741189492
fins are cucked
>>741189386
>The problem is almost exclusively american developers
100%, I can't think of one western game I've played this year, last year the only one that comes to mind is hades 2 and even that was scuffed, but the gameplay was too good to ignore.

>>741189492
housemarques writer is a brit

>>741189639
You gotta wait until you burn just enough money on the game, rush the game out, watch it crash, then cancel the future dlc investments. This is the best business decision.

>>741189742
also not american

>>741189492
Your esl speak is right. Tey are retarded developers indeed

>>741189735
hades 2 is woke af

Is there a large tech/vidya company that hasn't engaged in large layoffs in the past 3 years?

>>741189890
and not american

>>741188580
If they didn't make anything good at Microsoft, they won't make anything good on their own. Remember that Phil took a hands off approach for alot of these studios.

>>741189936
Nintendo? Though I suppose most Jap studios are pretty safe so far.

>>741189907
gameplay and music is nice, but yeah, I skip all the character interactions.

>>741189707
China, Korea and Eastern Europe still produce slop. After the success of the monkey game they started spamming the shit out of bad 3rd person chinese action games and now nobody gives a shit about any of them. Korea is pumping out pure horseshit and the only dev that matters is a massive weaboo who spends all his time sucking up to japanese devs. Eastern Europe is still a demake factory + stalker clones. Once western europe rids itself of the lingering woke bullshit they will begin to carry the industry with Japan. America and Canada are permanently dead, the levels of inflation and rent fuckery are so high it's basically impossible to fund anything there.

>>741189386
When you say Europe you should really say Eastern Europe because theres no point making games in places like England or Germany or whatever as they are just as bad as America.

>>741189936
nintendo
capcom
cd projekt
fromsoft/all of segas non western departments

>>741189492
They're finnished

>>741190031
The uk still makes GTA, good racing games, some space sim shit and a few random hits here and there. Germany makes nothing and never did. I see alot of American money flooding into the UK in the future because it has third world country wages but the same cultural backbone as America.

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>>741186836
They wont lay-off people that matter. They will still be a dei infested company so who cares.
They lost their Asian third party connections and now rely on Western dei slop to save them which they won't.
Hope they make intergalactic as the launch title for the ps6 and make that bald bitch the new mascot of the company so that they can go under faster.

>>741187916
>Fire anyone that made astro bot.
They already did that last year though?

>>741188580
>new studios will form and hire a bunch of talented devs desperate for work
ok but what does this have to do with laid off western devs?

>>741187986
If that trend-chasing "thing" was the best this generation could offer, Snoy is well and truly fucked.

And if it really is "the best", why has it only earned around $50 million, which isn't enough to pay back even a quarter of its development budget? Why did the free week fail to revitalize the game? Why haven't the Destiny destitutes flocked to it like it was the promised D3?

And most importantly: WHY THE FUCK HAS IT ONLY SOLD AROUND 300,000 COPIES IN PLAYSTATION?!

>>741189639
Blame Herman hulst. Sony must like sucking his dick since he keeps green lighting these projects.

I think at this point it's just better to be an indie company

>>741190405
It's too hardcore for the destiny crowd. The bots can fuck you up easily in fact I can't fathom playing this game with a controller. There are hazard everywhere in marathon 26 and add to that near constant pvp threat. The last 2 maps have very intricate level design and a good ratting player/team can fuck you up at any moment.

>>741187120
Polyphonic for GT.
San Diego for MLB.
Asobi.
Nixies, but they're a port specialist.

Beyond that, what's on the bubble? Maybe Suckerpunch? Past that is dire.

>>741190001
Zero asian studios have, none of them. western video games are fucked

>>741188287
You have a VERY different idea of top tier than I do. But whoever thought they needed to go hollywood needs to get booted almost as much as Obsidian's art director.

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>>741186836
>let PS5 scalping run rampant for the first 18ish months for nice short term hardware sales figures to impress stakeholders with, which utterly wrecked the attach rate to a degree it still hasn't fully recovered from
>burn bridges in Japan so badly that they completely surrendered its market to Nintendo; even Square Enix's faith was so shattered that they made a point of announcing that the next flagship FF and KH games are also launching day-and-date on Nintendo hardware
>enacted a campaign to prioritize creating service games and outrageously budgeted "prestige" single player games with extremely little in between, which has caused a bunch of studios/devs to be axed to fund these efforts, only for said efforts to either be killed in the crib or euthanized soon after release (with one being the most expensive single-release failure in all of entertainment media)
>resorted porting games to PC and Xbox for even a chance to make more money back on their astronomical dev budgets, and even their recent reverse-course only applies to singleplayer games
>got scammed by cooked books to overpay for one of the most financially toxic developers in the modern industry, as a desperation counterbuy to Microsoft getting Zenimax
>make said dev backburner their one actually relevant IP and forgo development of an obvious sequel in favor of clumsily resurrecting a defunct IP while making it have almost nothing to do with its original games whatsoever, and in a niche genre whose fans are already almost entirely spoken for, and preemptively give it a shit ton of runway just to delay the embarrassment of ANOTHER historical level failure so soon after Concord
>the guy who planned out Sony's ill-fated GaaS focus was made CEO for some reason, but when he was demoted after Concord, he was only put back into his tastemaker position
But Japan doesn't get to control Playstation anymore because they made a fucky wucky with the PS3. That's fair.

>>741189936
Japan and Korea I think ,but I don't track Korea closely.

N, Sega, Capcom, From, and Koei Techno, and I think Konami are all hiring if anything. N especially targets stability.

Squenix cut their westerners.

>>741191375
crazy to think how it all happened
they seemed strong as fuck back in 2018 or so

>>741190920
Anon you seen decent so Ill tell you straight.
>Marathon is in a genre where they will NEVER make their money back especially if they continue development and dont just maintenance mode it.
You can post cope about 'muh casuals' or other stuff about the genre being brutalling difficult but anyone with even a sliver of knowledge of the market would know it would fail. And thats before you even get to how the game is simply mid af overall with a mix of good and bad aspects. It cost too much to make for a genre which isnt going to grow and is already saturated, isnt going to spawn a new audience, generates bad will from fucking up their other game, had plagiarism controversy and other reasons.

This isnt a No Man's Sky scenario, the writing is on the wall already and was even a year before release. Sony is merely stuck having to maintain it to keep the pretence of supporting games alive and to try and earn some money back over a long period (they wont earn enough to break even). If it was a smaller studio or even a big one but not bought by a big market player they wouldve already died.

I think the higher kikes who make decisions thought that pajeets, black people and women have more disposable income and it's a good market to get into.
Whitey is getting old, jaded and maybe too hard to please ?

>>741188965
Kill yourself Astaranx

>>741191567
That was part of the reason I got a Piss5 back in mid-2021. Never had a PS4 and thought that the Piss5 would be decent in the long run. As it stands, the last game I bought for it was Astro Bot in 2024 and the only game I’m considering getting for it is FF7 Revelation. If I knew this would be the fate of the Piss5, I would have just told past me that it would go down the same route as the WiiU (last console I bought before getting a Piss5).

>>741191375
I hate Jim Ryan and his retarded Dutch sidekick so goddamn much.
How on earth do you fuck up this badly when your competition is post-Mattrick Xbox? HOW?

>>741187916
>Pretty much fire everyone but Marathon Devs.
Lol those are the first guys you want to fire.

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I said it once, i say it again and i say it until i die.
The biggest mistake the entire industry made was allowing streamers to stream brand new games for short term pr and reach, its like as if hollywood allowed streamers to stream the newest movie and then complains that no one is buying them. How fucking retarded as a industry can you even be? Of course no one buys new games when they just can watch them be played and no "just make good gameplay" doesnt really change the calculation be fucking honest.

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>>741189442
all true.

interesting and novel games are still selling really well no matter the quality or budget, especially anything that can form a strong community around itself.
indie, gacha, and platform (roblox) developers are much much much faster at adapting to shifts in the market. costs are lower, prices are lower, and expectations are lower.
ecelebrities, short form content and the oversaturation of the market have made releasing provocative and trendy stuff very successful.
brand recognition is still very important of course, but IP erosion is reaching new heights. Everyone is licensing there IPs out to fortnite. gamesworkshop licensed out the warhammer universe to like 50 literal who studios, we got a zelda-flavored crypt of the necrodancer game. palworld beat the pokemon company in court. the hitman devs got to make a james bond game. what's the point of playing some weird shitty vibecoded halo remake when you can emulate the original.
I hope AAA explodes entirely but what i expect to happen is for them to start gatekeeping the player market via hardware. we've seen apple and epic battle in court. what would happen if microsoft released windows 13 and said "the only way you can run programs on your computer is if you get them from the microsoft store". they would be standing on a pile of money in one stroke, if they could only get away with it.

>>741186836
Anyone got that meme of all vidya devs shooting themselves in the face?

>>741192124
Without youtubers telling retards what to think, no one would fucking care about fallout nv, because before influencers changed people minds about it, everyone fucking despised it.
It's like you forgot sub 40 user score in first month.
DD2 wouldn't sell 3m either, without influencers shilling it like crazy, because game itself was garbage.
Face it, streamers really help sales.
Also, if you decide to not rely on them, they can take it as personal insult and try to shit on your game(mh rise with khezu dude and team darkside, or wo long with assmongol)

>>741192124
It doesn't kill anything but bad games because with bad games you get to see how truly awful they are. It doesn't even kill movie games or story stuff like Dispatch if they're decent enough, only garbage like Mixtape that nobody was going to buy anyway. They literally pay streamers to play some games as an advertisement but it only succeeds if the game is actually good otherwise it does the opposite.

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IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>>741186932

plenty of games are selling, just not these ones - stop making up bullshit excuses like it's industry wide - your games just fucking suck because of your feminine as fuck DEI studios

>>741187916

this is satire right?

>>741192301
>>741192312

i completely disagree and you guys have to admit that the studios making those games at the very least deserve a cut from the revenue the streamers are making by literally streaming the games.

>>741191612
Yes, Marathon isn't profitable. Yes, it has a retarded budget with (almost) nothing to show for it.
But this is nothing new, Bungie mismanagement has been a thing since the Destiny 1 days. Their answer for destiny underperforming were always to get a chunk of investor money coupled with employees lay off.
Marathon is continuing under the trajectory bungie has set for destiny, either you or sony likes it or not. Except instead of being a product appealing to the masses Marathon is a niche game with unappealing art style and steep learning curve.
Why should I care if sony is reeling from the loss of profitability on marathon, should a console manufacturer stop making games? What then?
And should I remind you that the Bungie devs learned the same way as the players that further development on Destiny is to end without prior notice?
Who gets to make a call like that and how we as players get to voice our concern upon this decision? No one is pleased in this outcome.

>>741188468
bullshit, they sold out to cultural marxists so they could get their blackrock bucks - mission accomplished - all the smart talented people get suppressed or flee

>>741186836
Housemarque didn't learn from Returnal and went and made a game with a jeet and a woke background story about his wife going lesbo. These niggers need to die. In fact, every single Sony studio need to be shut don and for the employees to just die, especially Neil Cuckmann. Please get cancer and die.

>>741186932
The devs told me not to buy them on Twitter :)

>>741189442

how many shrink pills did you need to be on to cope this much

>>741189707

turns out the worst kind of marxism is black power feminist marxism

>>741186836
>close studios
Haven is so fucking dead.

>>741186932
It's only american studios closing because their games are shit

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reminder bungie cost just as much as the entire star wars ip

>>741192847
no way bro, when has sony fired a brand new team before their game even launches.

>>741192124

every single story game having a 10 hour playthrough video on youtube is far more damaging

>>741186932
Only nerds buy games

>>741192301

delusional troon

>>741188246
Sony's been doing that shit for decades but no one wants to call them out on it in the 'media' because they're all in Sony's pocket.

>>741192906
I'd rather play marathon than watch a Disney+ star wars show

>>741192990
But enough about yourself

>>741192919
Manchester Studio
Neon Koi

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>>741193085
Don't for get Dark Outlaw Games

>>741192702
But Bungie was accountable to itself as it was their money once they borrowed it. Now its not their money, its Sony's money which is borrowed from someone else. Bungie would do whatever it takes to not die and had the freedom to try. now they are cuckchained under Sony's shadow and live and die on Sony's wims.
>Marathon is continuing under the trajectory bungie has set for destiny
Wtf is this supposed to mean? Its entirely separate.
>Niche game
Thats fine, the problem you dotn seem to realise as youre retarded is that niche games still need to turn a profit if theyre the main focus of your large company with a very large budget. If it was a smaller substudio or had a very small budget it would be a fine way to try and organically grow an IP. Instead they tried to strongarm their way into it with a bloated budget and are paying the price. What part of this doesnt make to you? They are MAKING NO MONEY or generating any non fiscal benefit from the game in the form of being a loss leader or cementing themselves in a competitive area of the market. They are gaining no value from it and have to save face to deter losing even more.
>Why should I care if sony is reeling from the loss of profitability on marathon,
Because the game you are dickriding dies, gets shut down. You are also the consumer not rhe business. They have pissed of people investing in them and this has knockon effects on their business which as the topic of the thread shows generates bad will/PR. They also have less money to try and fund other games which may have actually been good or can only cover half baked versions of them.
>Bungie devs learned the same way as the players
Means fuck all. Most people who actually play games could tell it would die and they were overinvested in it. Poor risk management.
>Who makes a call
The people looking at this in charge of saving money. people not being pleased is irrelevant beyond Sony not being pleased. They are the one with the power and risk. 1/2

>>741187704
Bluepoint deserved to be shut down solely for suggesting the idea of a Remake of the SoTC remake. That's not something a healthy studio would consider doing, it's the sign of a studio that is out of ideas. I understand why Bend doesn't want to make a Days Gone 2 but they still could do something with that IP.

kek why is there a marathon shill in the thread?

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>>741186932
>boot up new $100 aaa game
>facescanned soulless models everywhere, no personality and every character is unremarkable
>same copypasted console safe approved menu
>gameplay mechanics devolve into picking up 4 types of scrap to craft menial upgrades so nothing looted in the world feels good
>everything is sterile to ensure no one gets offended
>remakes remakes remakes
Yeah it's a fucking mystery

>>741193194
2/2

sony are the ones with the risk and are in a position where they might be better off/ gain more value from gutting the game and Bungie and writing it off as a loss.

You dont seem to understand the actual business or finance side of the product youre shilling for and are trying twitterfag tier copes abotu morality and playerbase views. Who cares what the playerbase wants when theyre tiny and dont cover the cost of keeping the game alive and future development? Nevermind the initial dev costs. The market and the gaming Community have pretty much said they dont want the product to the same degree as the development costs for it. If the game was low budget and found an audience itd be fine but its not. In addition you have bad PR for the game as its viewed as dead/a flop which fucks it up even more.

Its a zombie or a soon to be one thats merely a decaying puppet body on the verge of death. Only a retard or someone with infinite wealth would try and keep it afloat, not a company that NEEDS money to cover other fuck ups or to pursue other immediate ventures.

>>741192669
Streaming is a tough job, there is no reason why game devs deserve the money xQC gets from babysitting his chat. That's the real job of a streamer, being a babysitter to some of the worst people in human society rather than play games.

>>741186932
This is the gaming industry collapse, anon. Only the indie shall inherit the earth.

>>741193429
>>gameplay mechanics devolve into picking up 4 types of scrap to craft menial upgrades so nothing looted in the world feels good
Peopel still defend that in elden ring

I am 100% convinced that Return would have been fine with any other main character but a pajeet. They literally picked the worst time imaginable to put some stinky Indian as the lead in their action game. Nobody wants to play as one. We're all sick of seeing them in our country let alone our vidya.

>>741187916
>Supply Square with Staff to make the Next FF good. Real time combat. Triggers and shoulder buttons.

I'm pretty sure this is the exact opposite of what Square wants to do these days.

>>741189492
More like Housemarque is finished,

>>741186836
Damn, RIP Housemarque. SAAROS looks kinda fun from the gameplay I've seen, but I don't want to play as a Saar.

>>741193723
>sony isn't willing to drop another 100 million to make a game that barely sells 500k copies
come on sony, do it again, it'll be even funnier the third time

>>741186836

just one more us-western industry dying, gaming is thriving in east europe, china and japan.

US is 100% gambling on either AI or birthrate crisis to keep it s position if both fail it s over

>>741186932
They just virtue signal

>>741193429
Remakes are selling a lot thoughbeit

>>741192124
>"just make good gameplay" doesnt really change the calculation be fucking honest.
It doesn't? If the people watching the game see that the gameplay is good, they will want to play the game themselves. The problem is most of these games have dogshit gameplay.

>>741186836
>>741186932
Turns out the "modern audience" of women, blacks, and various fags that game makers seem to repeatedly target is actually miniscule and not actually relevant. Huh, who would have thought. Maybe they should instead make games that normal male gamers want to play again?

>hating capitalism
How about you go live in north korea, fags?

why is every thread about this is some random faggot's tweet

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>>741193430
I'm not shilling for marathon. Ballooning development costs as been a thing at Bungie since Destiny 1. Why should I care about sony making a profit or not, they make CONSOLES and they need GAMES. You just see marathon as an obstacle toward a new destiny game which is illogical but this is the present truth daddy sony has given to you.
So you throw your fists in the air demanding marathon to be teared down to make way for a new destiny game or the complete annihilation of bungie as a studio.
It seems to me that you would have been happier with activision's plan for bungie demanding a new destiny game every 2 year for 10 years. Quite the saddening thought for a franchise that is basically capeshit in space with gay robots and pride flags.

>>741194082
Tweets looks nice and beautiful designed
Text posts don't. The 4chan needs to give us bbcode or merkdown. And then tweets will stop.

>>741193995
> If the people watching the game see that the gameplay is good, they will want to play the game themselves.

In disney fantasy land maybe but in actual lived reality no this usually doesnt happen in any numerical worthy way and the fact that it literally isnt happening should clue you in that it is.. you know.. not happening no matter the game and gameplay.. or you know it would happen. the excuse of "hurr shit gameplay" doesnt work for the simple reason that basically all games get streamed so there is bound to be games among them that you consider to have good gameplay and it still doesnt move the needle in terms of numbers watchers switching to be players.
The problem is effort you have to put in effort to play a game no matter how minimal but watching it you dont have any effort, thats why everyone just watches new games no matter if the gameplay is good or not and thats why the industry was retarded to allow newest games to be streamed, at the very least the studios deserve a cut from the revenue generated by streamers streaming new games.

>>741189985
they just said that so you would think their games are going to be good and buy them

>>741193995
Are you underage or actually mentally challenged?
People are retarded and believe what they are told.

>>741186836
I did this

>>741187916
The fact that Returnal sounds like return urinal will never not be funny to me.

>>741192301
Asmongold shit on Wo Long because it's a fucking awful game, easily the worst Team Ninja game and it's not even close.

>>741193995
This.
I watched some streams of that 007 game and the gameplay is by far the most safe, boring, pointless AAA fare I've seen in years, it was literally just Watch_Dogs 2 but without the parkour.
The gadgets, the hacking, the shooting, the braindead AI, the shitty stealth, all of it SCREAMED Watch_Dogs 2.

>>741194204
I really disagree with this. Games are ultimately games and they are meant to be played. The people who just watch games on Twitch and YouTube were never going to play the game anyway. To me, it's like blaming piracy for game studios closing down. "Hurr shit gameplay" actually is a valid statement since game devs seem to have forgotten how to make games fun and enjoyable.

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>>741194559
>defending assmongoloid

>>741194139
Youre fuckign stupid arent you. You care that they make profit so that they can continue to makes games. The thing you like/want. I think Destiny is shit as well but it has enough of an audience to be profitable. That is actually valuable. Id rather they make other good games but they havnt and likely cant now as they have a Marathon sized hole in their budget. I dont know how to dumb this down even more for you, are you really this fuckign retarded that you cant understand how prodit works in a business? Sony make consoles and sell them at a loss. They own game companies as Bungie is essentially a Sony subdepartment but on large scale. Bungie's losses are their losses, even more so when you factor in they paid money for the company as a whole even before you factor in dev costs. This money could have been used on other things that secured more reliable money printers (buying other 3rd party companies that arent shit like bungie) or funding 1st part devs.
>So you throw your fists in the air demanding marathon to be teared down to make way for a new destiny game or the complete annihilation of bungie as a studio
You are a retarded nigger. I Dont care about Destiny. Whether I hate or like Marathon is irrelevant to the points Im brining up about it. It makes NO FUCKING VALUE to either Bungie or Sony. It isnt a viable product to either business.

Youre posting all this contained with Bungie's games bullshit that I dont care about and have no impact on what Im stating as youre too retarded and think I have an emotional attachment to their current state beyond going 'LMAO XD' at them dying as itd be funny. They arent making money and could have/can make more money and survive to potentially make something actually profitable/good/and maybe to my tastes if they dont fuck up further and cut losses.

You sucking yourself off thinking Marathon is some rad hardcore shit like a 2010's MLG faggot doesnt solve Bungie or Sony's money issues regarding Marathon.

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>>741186932
Because those games don't appeal to them like the actual top games on Playstation (Sportsball, Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox, and now Marvel Rivals). Spider-Man 2 was being packed into every piece of Playstation hardware imaginable, and people were just giving the codes away or selling them at a steep discount because nobody wanted it, they weren't buying Playstation to play PS Studios games. But thanks to the way Sony cooks the books it looks like Spider-Man 2 is the highest-selling PS5 game in existence despite that.

>>741194668
Sorry incel but I still won't visit your shitty fextralife wiki.

>>741193945
Are they?
The main ones that seem to be selling are the RE ones.

>>741193512
>A healing item that only affects torrent even though 90% of the time torrent gets hit you will also get hit and the flask heals you both
>Bone arrows that do less damage and have less range than wooden arrows you can buy for practically nothing
>Jars
I can't remember anything else you could make. The crafting in Elden Ring was even more retarded and useless than in most other games

>>741188246
>Sony follows after with PlayStation
>Gets almost nothing by comparison
>As usual
You do realize the Sony either owns or heavily invests in the majority of these gaming websites right? Of course they're not going to bite the hand that feeds them. Even Geoff Keighley's various events are funded by Sony.

>>741192127
>what would happen if microsoft released windows 13 and said "the only way you can run programs on your computer is if you get them from the microsoft store"?

Windows would implode and die. Adoption rates from 10 to 11 were already awful due to how shitty the latter was at release, and even now it's such a complete mess that every part of the OS is broken and bugged. Windows' reputation as a whole has been soiled by the black mark that is 11, on a scale unseen since ME.

If Microslop tried that shit, they wouldn't "get away with it", to put it lightly. The tense situation between Microsoft and its customers would quickly degenerate into full-on opposition and revolt.

No sane person would willingly join such monstrosity. Hell, not even I, who have used Windows my whole life, would touch such thing eith a ten-mile pole, especially after seeing first-hand how badly 11 fucked up.

On simple terms. Microsoft tries that shit, Windows dies. Horribly.

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>AAA corps are willing to lose trillions because they chose to not add 50K extra polygons to the assets

>>741194786
Didn't oblivion remake sell a lot? Or was that just a million?

>>741192702
>Yes, Marathon isn't profitable. Yes, it has a retarded budget with (almost) nothing to show for it.
I read this in Adam Jensen's voice. Must have selected Acknowledge.

>>741194668
If more devs listened to the smelly roach and stopped listening to GCJ retards the western industry wouldn't be in such shambles right now

>>741194971
Good morning

>>741190192
M16 smooooch

>>741186932
>slop fatigue
>insane specs for every game
>not enough content to justify purchase
>extremely retarded money handling
>long development times + huge budgets = no experimentation & a lot of whiffs regardless

>>741189442
This is pretty much it but also the average AAA budget has ballooned so massively, even in nipland, that unless you are bringing in gta or genshit money its not worth making a game at an absurd price. That new gears game has a 400 million dollar budget and like what the fuck? Thats two avengers movies worth of budget for a game in a dying franchise that only 40 year olds care about. Its also four times what the other games were, even including inflation

>>741194743
>huh I don't like destiny, and I don't like marathon.
>BUT SONY HAS TO MAKE A PROFIT
>DID SOMEONE THINK OF THE PROFIT

Are you an investor or some shit? See I deigned to reply on why marathon does so few numbers based on my own experience with the game but that was a miscalculation on my part. Sony is fucking huge and they can take the heat on releasing failures.
EA is mostly a publisher and yet they kept bioware around after veilguard even though everyone was clamoring about a shutdown.

>>741193503
It already happened once in the US. Atari was once the sole AAA, and it imploded due to the '85 crash. It barely survived and limped on for the next decade before dying for good due to the Jaguar's flop. The frogs of Infogrames skinned its corpse and wear Atari's skin to thls day.

Atari's fate will be AAA's if this insanity continues.

>>741194971
I will never not laugh at Sony failing to kill stellar blade with all the bullshit they did to try to make it unsuccessful.
Their first party titles got btfo on steam by stellar blade too.

>>741195031
>dude advocated lilith statues in d4 before release and paragon board, because his alt right retarded viewers demanded more exploration and "character building"
>while any sane person would recognize that shit as terrible idea right away

>>741186932
They suicide faster than they can groom.

>Western AAA sloppa industry legit dying
>Japanese games thriving
Good ending

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>>741195023
Kek thanks for the laugh anon.

>>741195401
>>Japanese games thriving
lmao, deluded retard.
They bet on pc on 10s, which made them lazy(because pc fags bought any trash) and now they are hit hard because of it
Capcom had dd2 and mh wilds
Most of KT games sell terrible, nioh 3 was a massive flop
Sega shit aren't doing well outside of persona 5, decade old game
Small devs disappeared
Kadokawa is in the middle of being bought out by Sony

>>741195216
between marathon, the bungie acquisition, and concord sony is looking down the barrel of shotgun that cost them in excess of 4.2 billion US dollars.

we arent investors, we are gamers. if somy doesnt do something, if somy continues to flail about like a magikarp on ground without wither dumping more money into either destiny or marathon, bungie gets shutdown, and there wont be a game for you to shill for and defend, let alone the studio.

this is a thread about economics and the gaming industry as a whole, and what we are seeing is the complete collapse of the entertainment division (at least gaming) for sony.

at this rate, you will be lucky to see a ps6 or other such new device released in a few years.

nta btw

>>741195216
Youre retarded mate.

Marathon does shit numbers not because its any hardcore shit filtering people like you think. Plenty of other more hardcore and competitive games sell way more. Its low because the genre of the game is inherently not popular. People got sort of hyped for the game when it was announced even if it looked nothing like the last Marathon games. Then they said it was an extraction shooter and then almost the entire interested audience vanished. At this point you could tell the game would fail. The genre isnt popular enough to sustain the game.

>why do they need to make a profit, are you an investor
Once again you are retarded. The game is a product designed to make money even if some of the devs, investors, or Sony execs genuinely like it. The business model relies on it making money. It making money or some other value (see earlier replies) means its worth supporting. Currently it doesnt do this. Why pay money to maintain dev costs of new updates and running the servers for no gain? Even if you want to be charitable the game isnt popular enough to warrant it like many XB360/PS3 era games.
>Sony is fucking huge and they can take the heat on releasing failures.
Not when the budget is that huge, they also have to deal with other fuck ups like Concord, various other scuttled projects, and upcoming failures like the new Horizon. Also why waste this money on a dying product when you could be spending it elsewhere? This is opportunity cost as I described before. Then you need to factor in that its not really just Sony's money but their shareholders and investors who can limit money or pull out which impacts other games they are making/funding etc.
>EA
EA is a shit example as theyve killed numerous companies over the years. Bioware still being alive is unbelievable but they are theres as their IP's hold value. If Mass effect 4 dies then theyre probably dead.

For you or others to play Marathon without peer to peer it needs to make money.

>>741195401
>thriving

Bro most of the japanese industry is gone except for a few outliers. Even Nintendo is struggling to release games and now they have to outsource around the world.

>>741195595
and yet they make money and aren't closing anytime soon. Nobody cares about what you think or dream about, schizo.

>>741195595
delusional sonytard. Sega and Capcom are in a better place financially right now then they have been in decades. For the first time since the ps2 era Japanese games look better than western games graphically and are more fun to play. Anyone who denies this is denying reality.

Remember when everyone was giving Square Enix shit for selling their western studios (crystal dynamic, eidos montreal)? They knew this shit was coming.

OH NO
Has anyone posted Clarkson yet

>>741195838
>and yet they make money and aren't closing anytime soon
What a weird hill to die on. Defending japanese
How many years in the row Sega is in the red?
Reminded me how japs posted on twitter about how their girls easily have sex with brown men, while weeb retards from other countries for some reason jumped in defence claiming that "japanese women aren't like that"

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Pirate every game
Never buy games
Don't install spyware launchers
Never seed
Mod games
Contribute nothing to games' discussion
Install banned mods
Harass video game journalists
Harass video game devs
Talk shit about video games
Emulate everything
Hack consoles
Spoiler games

>>741195901
It's not like they are doing any better now, with ff16 being biggest flop in history of series comparable with spirits within.

>>741195901
Idk thats giving them too much credit. They fucked up Deus Ex so anything regarding that is on them. They also took this long to take their lips of Sony's cock and also go back to 2D FF games. Theyre reactionary as ever with no vision. People are sick of FF as well for the most part but not enough to kill them off. At best theyve just played it safe but they would die if an industry crash occurs as theyre reaching zombie company status unless they get several breakout hits.

>>741195901
>Square Enix shit for selling their western studios (crystal dynamic, eidos montreal)
They sold it for nfts and they are the only japanese gaming company that is still hasn't recovered from the 7th gen japanese game slump so they deserve it. They had some frogs make fake ff last year. They should die of embarrassment.

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Forcing people to wait and figure out whether or not they still have a job during the middle of the Juneteenth holiday weekend is so fucked up. How are you supposed to wash chicken with MeeMaw with the nagging feeling that come Monday you might be out of a job?

>>741195901
Hey, keep in mind that Squeenix was still doing stupid shit in the western style and had to learn some of that lesson first hand.

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>>741196042
Now they can honor St. Floyd without worrying about coming into work on Monday.

>>741195772
Point of order: Marathon has dozens of critical flaws with it. Other games with far less budget, and assets in it's same genre are completely obliterating it in the standings, both FTP and paid. The art style. The employees of Marathon getting distracted with stupid social conflicts. Bloated, inefficent work which lead to a very sparse game. Polarizing at best art style.

>>741195216
Bungie is in the process of mass layoffs as we speak.

>>741195246
The level of insanity was hilarious. The parts of the company that were anti coomer. IGN france claiming that the game was physically harmful for women. The crazy GDC people who said it would lead to people getting raped.

>>741195938
see
>>741193429

>>741195595
>KT
That, at least, is a self-inflicted wound. They spent years establishing themselves as a company who only produced buggy shit on PC, and refused to even address the bad quality of their ports.
The result was creating a large market that wouldn't knowingly buy from them at all unless they were addicted to musous or strategy games.

>>741196212
Ive not even played it to see the critical flaws with it regarding the gameplay for the genre as I already knew it was dead and was premogged by the other new game in the genre. This will have added to it even more lmao.

>>741186836
Go woke... TOP THE CHARTS

>>741195007
I pirated both

>>741196270
>and refused to even address the bad quality of their ports.
Why would any jap developer ever address bad quality of pc releases, when pc peasants buy it anyway? And in case of FROm software will even switch from "wtf how do I even play it with keyboard and mouse" to the "you should buy gamepad if you want to play genius fromsoftware games on pc, they shouldn't adapt their games for us" in decade
You can't provide a single example there bad quality of port influenced sales on pc, only console gamers have such standards

>>741193541
The gay kekolding plot needed to go as well. But the bigger problem was similar to South of Midnight. They buy a company. Pump it's budget to AAA, but use the money on retarded SBI hollywood shit instead of advancing gameplay.

>>741196392
>what was the bladestorm port
Eat shit, you disingenous faggot.

Marathons fun you fricks!

>>741196430
Still outsold console versions, your point being?

>>741196319
One additional core problem is that it's very clear that the devs do not play their own game. Problems new, regresion, and unfixed old ones that are blatantly obvious to anyone who's extracted a dozen times go unfixed. Instead they are catering to streamers.

>>741196392
Capcom make most of their sales on PC now so their actual audience getting bad ports would fuck them over. Fromsoft have made generally good ports following PTDE of DS1. Same with many other companies. The general market trend towards PC has been going on for a while. Might marginally change or even revert course if the hardware price issues persist.

>>741196525
>I had a bunch of stuff to extract but I died. Bungie better fix this!!!

>>741196669
I DIED TO A SHITTER WITH A KNIFE. NERF IT.
I DIED TO A ROOK WHO WAS NEARLY NAKED WITH LAND MINES. NERF IT.
I DIED TO SOMEONE WITH EXPLOSIVES WHO ANTICIPATED MY TRIPLE SHOTGUN RUSH. NERF THEM. .

they nerfed the scavenger class so hard and walled the progression behind other class play, so their vaunted PVE mode had NO challenge.

>>741196669
>>741196760
I always love to hear about how the Marathon "fanbase" cannibalizes itself.

>>741195330
Cope, the game was made by leftist degenerates like you, Asmongold had close to zero impact on the game's development.

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>>741196525
even the marathon general in the past few weeks has been like getting into a time machine and re-hashing the old bubble/shotgun problems from years 1 and 2 of destiny 2. the same server issues, weasel and other connection issues not only still dont have clear indicators of reasons why they occur but occur in the same fucking frequency that they did in both d1 and d2.

bungo never learned anything, and marathon shills are too fucking new and too fucking dumb to stop, take a breath, and look around long enough to think to themselves "maybe this is a sinking ship..."

>>741195779
Uwotm8?
A lot of the Jap industry is still around, but we have seen a lot of old heads break off from the studios and create their own new studios.
Kojima being the biggest one, but also Mikami (who now works with Shift Up) and Nagoshi (who now works at the unemployment office unfortunately).

>>741195772
>Not when the budget is that huge, they also have to deal with other fuck ups like Concord,
During the year that concord happened sony rigged the GOTY award so that astrobot could win. They don't give a fuck.

>>741197007
>astro bot out of nowhere
Rent-free.

>>741197007
They might not be able to afford the bribe next time at the going rate. Someone else might have better offer.

>>741197007
if you arent being paid for this then the education system of the third world country you grew up in failed you in ways you will never properly understand.

nta

>>741186932
Economy is kill

>>741197062
Sony can pay for failures since their economy plan is called GTA6.
>>741197092
>akshually astrobot deserved its goty!!
Wow thank you for your insight mister executive.

>>741186972
cucked to shit antiwhite propaganda pieces?
That's the whole Western development cycle atm.

>>741187986
snoys are an actual cult

>>741197198
>>akshually astrobot deserved its goty!!
Yes, cope and seethe, nintengroid.

>>741196887
Alright. Here's more. They try a new soft PVE mode. One team, and with rook scavs to fill in. But they fuck up rook progression so no sane person wants to start as rook, and any that do go in practically fucking naked.

The result is that in 1 week, many of the sweatier types are running endgame gear. Then they nerf the drops on the mode so the more casual players can't catch up, and are getting assraped by endgame gear while they are just at the earliest stats and gear possible.

Even now almost nobody has good gear for rook, and because of last season's whining, Rooks' max gear is way worse this season anyways.

The "new map", is really just a nightime version of an existing one, with a little bit of spooky shit.

>>741197198
Bungie is a failure in the billions and is losing millions each month . That's enough for even dumb investors to notice.

So will the trigger for total industry collapse be a GTA 6 delay? I feel like a lot of investor trust is banking on it, which is retarded.
All this shit feels already scripted somehow.

>>741195330
Yeah D4's problems are definitely that it was too appealing to the far right for sure. Everybody hates far right chud values like exploration and character building, they were just asking for trouble with that.

You're a cuck. A leftist, disgusting cuckoid faggot and probably a troon as well. You ravaged the gaming industry and you NEED to suffer as much as possible in the coming years. Fucking cocksucker.

>take ESG money to push politics
>it should be noted that ESG money is technically just a huge bonus for the big honchos
>games dont sell because turns out gamers dont care about things like representation or gay stuff
>gaming journos and media do care because they get paid as well to push certain values
>layoffs for everyone except the higher ups who got the EAG bonus

>>741197285
Its been pretty obvious Snoy try to force all their games to be "prestige" garbage that fills up game award categories.

Hell they're probaby keeping Marathon alive just so it can be handed awards before they let it crumble into dust.

>>741197512
worst that GTA could do is underperform. Problems with next gen because of AI parts starvation are a bigger risk.

>>741187986
Yeah, it's so good that people don't want to play it because it would ruin all other games for them. That's it.

>>741197519
You sound very upset while contributing nothing to discussion.
All d4 problems came from pandering alt right and other d2 fans who never even played d2 and don't know why it was designed the way it is.

>>741192124
That's same dumb excuse that people make with gamepass. Why does it only affect bad games if it's true?
Because it isn't. People don't buy those games because they're shit.

>>741197512
The industry has already been collapsing for a year or so, it's just very slow because there are lots of shit studios working on dogshit that already have funding so some retard higher up will go "eh, let them finish the game first, maybe it'll sell better than Concord!". Once you finish your DEI turd project, that's when you all get laid off because who is going to pay for you to waste another 5 years to make another Concord?

>>741197883
How does one become so brainwashed that he can only take the leftist/alt-right/far right approach to vidya?