https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR2xbcf3Xyw
>>741190975I'm about to render your Dick with my ass
Why are you surprised at Epic being shitty?
>>741190975Its because Timmy boy keeps chewing up all the concept art drafts
>>741190975Why are you surprised at Epic being based?
>>741190975Concept art is one of the few uses for hen AI that actually makes sense since it lets you iterate without pinging designs and feedback back and forth for days. Hen your idea, if it looks bad gen a different one. When you've settled on an outline you like,then you send it off to the concept artist to actually get drawn
>>741190975So does Valve. https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1klhg5e/deadlock_ai_art/
>>741190975AI is the way of the future, though. Cry about it.
>>741190975AI is the future, reminder that artfags seethed about digital tools and photoshop not being tru hecking shart and they all lose and dilated. Gen Alpha aren't even thinking anymore they have ChatGPT they aren't going to care and only boomers will cry about redundant humanslop.
>>741191154I'm not even a big fan of most AI shit but I agree.Spit out a bunch of designs find the ones that work then let concept artists either work with it or make adjustments for the final concept.
>>741191357I think AI has cooked boomers more than alphas since they can't tell the difference in it and it basically hypnotizes them
>>741191307it's the future because the top percent allows it, nothing elsebut they will definitely shit their pants when smaller people start doing better things with it
>use AI to iterate and brainstorm>human artists draw and model the final productWhat is wrong with this approach, exactly?
>>741190975like everyone else you retarded turd
>>741192006You can just generate the image, you don't need people to draw. And soonish you'll be able to then just generate the model, you won't need 3D modelers. The problem is that people have been and will continue to be losing their jobs.
>>741192152Anon, we're WAY past needing to 3D model, like 6 months past.
>>741192152Honestly I prefer the reverseHave the concept artist make some stuff. Throw that into an AI to mess with color pallets and poses or make the sprite sheets from the concepts.All the human creativity and a lot less of the boring part of being an artist which is drawing the thing you drew another 40 times
>>741190975epic are cheapskate jews what did you expect
>>741190975I used chatgpt to modify the haircolor and skirt for a character I commissioned. I regret nothing.
>>741192250It costs too much and the quality isn't good enough for the 3D modeler genocide.>>741192268That's basically the end game. There will be some godly techno-artist making everything 1000000x faster than big teams used to be able to. But he'll be competing with random NEETs and normies won't be able to tell the difference really.
>>741190975So that was a lie.
AI is here to stay, and it has its uses as a TOOL.I use it to augment or enhance my work. For example, I needed a HL2 texture to be snow for a snow map. The pine trees have moss that I didn't want. I had AI change that to snow. I still had to touch up parts and adjust where I needed, but it worked perfectly and looks great in game. I would have spent an afternoon doing it by hand, instead I took 30 minutes doing some touch ups. AI isn't meant to be used as a single-button-art creation like so many people abuse it as. It's a tool. I get to spend more time on my own creative abilities like level design. I don't give a shit what anyone thinks. Nobody will know because I never do 100% generated. It's always inpainting and editing with it. If the final product looks great, who gives a fuck.
>>741192565soul / soulless
>crying about ai while they use a phone/pc that is filled with ai code nowi find this funnyall nvidia drivers, all android updates, all windows update.they are all made by ai now
>>741191154>>741191592nah, the concept phase is one of the most important in the creative process. its when the idea goes from purely psychic to visual.Leaving that up to an algorithm is leaving a lot of creative potential untapped.
>>741192661Only because you know the truth. Completely irrelevant, they look great in game.You should be encouraging artists to do this. Cuts time in half so they can make great things.
>>7411924072 more weeks bro
>>741192794if it would have taken you an afternoon to change a green to white with a filter then you didn't understand the TOOLS you already hadtheres more to art than putting filters over existing images anyways. That should be obvious that your example is extremely limited in scope.
>>741193005It's not a simple change of green to white, and I did not post the entire texture with the leaves and branches that needed editing. There's also more than one texture. So yes, to make it look good, it would have taken me an afternoonBut by that example, you're suggesting using a tool to get a specific outcome. It's the same exact thing except the outcome was superior. AI was used as a tool to get a specific outcome. You want to hate AI, that's fine, but be honest about it and give credit where its due. You don't like seeing an example of it doing a great job at its intended purpose. Your argument esd a personal attack - "uhh it would take you that long? You should use a filter." That's not an argument against AI.
>>741191154bro need AI to duplicate a drawing and erase / redraw some things on it>>741192565bro need AI to turn a green texture into a white one
>>741192794>You should be encouraging artists to do this. Cuts time in half so they can make great things.capitalist grindset work made in impatience are not sanctified
>>741192794I was just joking.
>>741193450What do you do bro?
>>741193575cope, seethe, and shitpost professionally
>>741193489I'm not getting paid, faggot. I make mods and maps for several games for free.>>741193450Stop samefagging. You don't have an argument. Explain why I need to change it to white instead of using AI. Can you? Muh artists? I've been an artist for over 20 years. You think I'm going to not use a tool that non-artists are using? Get real. I still have to edit and composite. I still have to have a art direction and see if things are cohesive in my creation. I'm not someone who just clicks a button and moves on. You guys are really going to have to come up with shit that isn't emotional arguments. People had better arguments against the automobile. It's all sappy shit that doesn't add up to anything.
>>741192565>AI isn't meant to be used as a single-button-art creation like so many people abuse it asThis is why so many people have an instant negative reaction to it, it's not as irrational as some make it out to be. Good for you and other artists who do more than the bare minimum, but in the same way AI will stay, mediocre shit will stay as well and will flood the market
>>741191230These nigger companies make 6289358q2363 dollars a yearwhy they don't pay an artist to draw concept arts ffs
>>741190975I don't care about AI art if the first and second part of the draft are hand-made with an artist and its just speeding up the art process and looks decent for coloring. (good luck getting good results though that don't look generic.) Anyway, nobody should on principle buy from Epic Games anyways due to being a chinese mafia front for spying on western people.
>>741191741Try and get this character piece done with all the proper background and lighting and make it feel like 90s anime with your ai prompt. (the original is from dall-e/craiyon. You don't have to use the exact picture as reference, just what's going on in the image and see how great you can make it. 5 prompts max challenge. Avoid inaccuracies and make it more natural/hand-drawn with the misty aura effect (supposed to be icy-cold type of elemental elf.)
>>741194437an indian could've had that job
holy shit i bet all those kids are going to stop buying vbucks becasue of this, think of the loss of artistic integrity for the new snoop dog skin coming to fortnite!
>>741194437they don't want to pay 20% royalties to the artists that refuse to give up their full use of their art to their system without payback.
>>741190975>they have an actual artist roughing out the concept art to a usable state>the concept art isn't final so it being rough around the edges doesn't matter as long as it gets the point across>actually looking at concept art vs final model shows they don't follow it to a T a majority of the time anyways so it ultimately does not matterso uhhh whats the fucking point of using AI at all? its not actually generating anything new its just "refining" the concept art that literally does not need to be refined in the first place. this just seems like a waste of money and resources
>>741190975>[MUNDANE NEWS]: Tech company uses tech.
>>741190975Nigga, UE6 will have almost everything integrated with AI
>>741194437They'd rather steal like with Marathon
>>741192006You know what's wrong with it. Trannies are mad they're losing their easy access nepo jobs in the arts. It's not a case of where you demarcate the utility of AI it's all AI threatens them so they will screech about all of it. It's behind every fake reason as to why you shouldn't use it.
>mfw the computer company uses a computer
>>741195286AI's are pushing selectively D&D and other corporate-woke shit even when ran locally, that's the only reason I hate AI on its own.
Gen ai made thisAibros won big time
>>741194592was that a request for that hidari art style or what's your angle? I typed out what I saw in the prompt I have going currently and got this. she has a glowing ass.
>>741190975that prompt seems pretty terrible.
>>741195441See? The idea is 90s era Anime (Lodoss War/Slayers/Berserk-ish vibes) style fantasy drawing, not the fake 3D looking shit, there should be an icy mist around it and green glowing plants.
>>741195469I chuckled when they said they weren't trying to make something generic.>>741195558I didn't add that part, I just stole your idea instead of doing your homework. I wonder how anima handles that though I'll try it.
>>741192152>people have been and will continue to be losing their jobsThat's fine.
>>741195609>Not doing the homework.This is why noobs fail with AI genning. ;)
>>741192152When will ai going to replaces these execs and ceos?
>>741195705its over...I dunno how to do old anime looking gens in anima, maybe it needs a lora. I learned some tricks trying though, so thanks
>>741193627>I make trash for freeGood for you, so do many other low-standard faggots.
>>741195386do you really just stalk actual art threads to steal shit and pretend its AI to try and farm for epic reply screencaps? like is this your main hobby?
>>741196141You are trying to feed too much information into the AI, less is more so they focus more on your choice of words also weighing categories with points attached in gives your AI more focus. []: +X where X is the number you want to give a heavy percentage for to increase the likelihood your AI is going to gravitate towards that option, like wise penalties can be added with similar technique. The AI model itself has to be trained on old anime imagery for it to re-produce any of the style, since AI can only re-create what it has seen before.
>>741191096Whats with those memes about him chewing stuff?
>>74119614180s / 90s + anime screengrab
why do millennials love ai so much?
>>741196425it's my way or the highway palbut yeah I know, I tried without my style stuff in there but they were coming out cursed. and there is a lodoss lora but I don't want to figure out how to use it because I'd rather do what I was already doing which was getting fft elves to make out with crts>>741196672screenshot innit?
>>741192789this. outsourcing the creative process to a machine then merely touching up what it shat out is the worst way to go about it
>>741196736>outsourcing the creative processnta but you don't think there's room for creative vision alongside AI?
>>741196728based creepy-pasta tier fetish lmao. Loras are added before your AI usually they are sort of the dictionary of the AI to understand what you are requesting.
>>741196917this is just science jargon for:>we believe our tech can significantly speed up development, please buy our shares!
>>741196917This is not the funny one why would someone copy it?
I like AI just because it means I'll never have to deal with another faggot ass artist ever again anytime I get the urge to commission art.
>>741197231Anon, you have never commissioned any art...
>>741190975the thing is that those concept artists could theoretically, hit or exceed the skill expression of those AI renders at least.
Ai is inevitable You can protest all you want but no one can stop technological advancementTraditional drawer will lost their job unless they adapt and unlock their true potential With the help of ai human can reach da Vinci level of mastery in just few weeks
>>741197325I dropped a fat stack on a nigga to do my OC getting GAPED and the fag too nearly a year to get it done. I had to be on his ass because muh burn out.Not the worst horror story, I've heard some shit, but it was enough for me to make a mental note not to comm him again. And now I won't have to comm anyone at all.
>>741192087SAAAAAAARRRRRR
>>741196627There's a chewed up remote cropped out of the right meme image
https://files.catbox.moe/r2px6x.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/i11suc.mp4
remember when timmy gave millions of dollars on aislop games lmao
>>741191096
>>741193627>I'm not getting paid, faggot. I make mods and maps for several games for free.I only made these two post btw the result looks nice and it's great that you make mods and stuff for free I myself making game and AI help me a lot with math and stuff so I can't really say anything lol it's not a bad tool just an over-hyped one
>>741191230Please delete this post.
GIVE ME BACK UNREAL TOURNAMENTBAD DEV!BAD DEV!
>>741197769he is so based
>>741193575I make video games music and comics
>>741190975Is gen ai integrated in ue5?
>>741190975AI art always sucks but I don't really care what the companies do, if they want to lose money then sure. But it's not like they were making any money from making shitty games to begin with.
>>741197895>making AI help you with math (from other corporate games) instead of figuring out basic math first and then letting AI do the grunt work.failure of a dev, I'm glad your job IS lost to the AI.
>>741198105nta but would you be bitching him out if he uses a calculator?
>>741197542This never happened.
>>741196917I like that this would mean that AI = 0.
PAY CONCEPT ARTISTS WHAT THEY'RE FUCKING WORTH!
>>741198272no, at least that requires some brain power beyond plebs with sub-90IQ.
>>741198423nothing since their final work won't be in the final rendering and the cool shit they might do is dismissed for safe shit, lmao.
>>741191592>>741191154You have it backwards. Concept art is the creative part, turning that into actual assets is way less "art-full". It's the general issue with you retards. You don't give a fuck about anything you don't directly see.
>>741198423NO
>>741198475the concept artist if they feel so high and mighty that they should be paid double what they currently get: should become a 3D modeller, its not harder and its less difficult to learn than regular art. Most studios do not want to pay two for people doing one man's job.
>>741198505Why am i supposed to hate him?
>>741198105what's the grunt work?i'm mostly a visual and musical artist but i surprisingly like programming i just struggle calculating vectors and stuff desu i didn't had a very high education lol
>>741192250I wish man. It's getting better but "traditional" digital art and 3d modeling skills are still necessary for good results in most projects. At least partially. >>741192663This is what I've been saying. We've been using AI for ages actually. It became mainstream recently, but if you used a search engine in the past 10 years, you used AI, even before ChatGPT was released.Many people don't realize but news sites were using AI since the late 2000s to automatically generate articles.And that's ignoring what kind of software counts as "AI". Traditional pen and paper animators used to be pissed off when computer animation took over and just setting up a few key frames using 2D vectors or 3D meshes could automatically generate hundreds or even thousands of frames. AI is basically the next logical step.
>>741195558It's really just about knowing the artists and using a model that was trained on those artists, or a lora. You're not going to describe a style with your prompts>>741196672local booru models can't copy a style from an "anime screengrab", you'd have to train a lora on those screengrabs. And who cares about non-local non-booru stuff
>>741198364>commissioned artists for fagshit involving his OCHe's 100% a furry and I 100% believe his fag ass
>>741198668They teach you geometry and degrees before middle school in math fucking retard, its literally middle-school tier mathematics kek.360 degrees is a full circle, 180 is half of a circle, 90 degrees is quarter of that, after that is 45 degrees if you halve it by two, so you can easily imagine that shit in your head before asking an AI.
>>741198668>what's the grunt work?Basically all the boilerplate code. All the code that doesn't perform the actual function your software needs to, but needs to be there anyway.Imagine you're making a simple calculator app. I'd say generiting the view by placing the buttons and display, setting up the events, writting the logic and view interfaces, generating unit tests is the boilerplate code. Those tasks nowadays can easily be done by AI nowadays.
>>741192152>ai art>ai 3d models>ai code>game is still fucking horrible because of bureaucracy, wokies, and indian outsourcingthis won't affect anyone but the aaa industry, which is already committing ultra suicide right now.
>>741198949>he thinks indies aren't using AILol. Lmao.
>>741198910nope that's not "grunt work" in the context, it means: figure out the formula in your head, let the AI print out the formula fully for what needs to be stated. (do x does x and such and such damage from y source etc then multiplied by z for boost vs reduced from enemy's a and b.) etc.
>>741190975dont care, cope and seethe fag
>>741198910I never understood the point of unit tests. What are they for? I just run the app and see if it works.
>>741190975Based, fuck game devs but fuck the artists most
>>741192565You eat cow feces
>>741191154>it lets you iterate without pinging designs and feedback back and forth for daysyou are retarded if you think this is bad
>>741190975this is such a non-issue holy shit
>>741190975>Epic
Haven't seen a single anti-AI argument in this thread. I didn't say "a good one", I said a SINGLE ONE. Every anon that's posted the uses for AI has been met with emotional women posts>You shouldn't do that!>that's dumb though>JEEET>But you can do X instead of using AI to do itBut why?>REEEEEEEEEEEEE>yeah but but! But art, philosophy, humanity, soul But why not as a tool to create other art?>Because. Because!. BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUUUUSE. BECAUSE OF THE WONDERFUL THINGS HE DOES.
>>741200920You're assuming that if people don't accept your use cases, they're making an emotional argument. But "AI is useful" and "there are costs or tradeoffs worth discussing" aren't mutually exclusive positions.A lot of anti-AI arguments aren't "because." They're about things like accuracy, intellectual property, labor displacement, environmental costs, incentive structures, and whether replacing parts of creative work changes the value people get from it. You can disagree with those arguments, but pretending they don't exist isn't really engaging with them.If the strongest opposition you've seen is just people yelling "AI bad," that's a criticism of the thread, not of the arguments themselves.
>>741201006Thanks ChatGPT
>>741201048Calling something "ChatGPT" isn't a rebuttal. It's just a way of declaring defeat.
>complains about emotional women posts>got called out>makes an emotional women postlol
>>741201006>environmental costsCompletely irrelevant when it comes to images.
>>741201135Not really. If someone argues that large-scale image generation consumes significant computing resources, energy, and hardware, that's an environmental argument whether you find it persuasive or not.You can argue the impact is small, overstated, or worth the benefits. But saying it's "completely irrelevant" just means you're dismissing the argument, not disproving it.
>>741201117"Everything I disagree with is emotional" isn't the gotcha you think it is.
>>741201006That's exactly my point, anon. Maybe if more people like you were posting thoughts like those, people could have a conversation.Believe it or not I do understand people's concerns about AI. But I also see the writing on the wall. You can't put the cat back in the box no matter how hard you fight against it. This has happened since the photograph, since the car, since CGI to practical effects. The game has changed and we have to adapt or die.People still love practical effects, and they've made big comebacks. However, there are plenty of beloved movies with CGI (Jurassic Park, Starship troopers) because the work was still put in to make it look good.AI is a tool and it's here to stay. But there will be really good works made with it. Not by a full prompted movie. Sure, those will entertain just like marvel slop does. But rather by an artist that uses it to make keying easier (cooridor key), to change the faces of an actor onto a stunt double. To slightly alter scenes for continuity. For easier texture variation to make assets go further in video games.It's just a tool. You still have to have the heart and passion to use it to see your vision come to life. And using a tool doesn't mean you don't have those things.
>>741201218I don't think "it's inevitable" is the same argument as "it's good."Cars were inevitable. That doesn't mean concerns about pollution, urban design, or safety were irrational. Photography didn't make painting obsolete. CGI didn't eliminate practical effects. In every case, people argued about the tradeoffs while the technology was being adopted.The strongest anti-AI arguments aren't usually "ban it forever." They're about what incentives it creates, who benefits, who gets displaced, and what kind of creative ecosystem emerges around it.I agree AI is probably here to stay. I just don't think inevitability settles the debate any more than it did for any other transformative technology.
>>741200527Modern devs do that for a single design 4 months straight then the final concept ends up looking nothing like any of the concept art lol
>>741201262And that's because concept art isn't supposed to be the final design. The entire point is to rapidly explore ideas, directions, silhouettes, colors, moods, and gameplay constraints before committing.If an artist produces 100 concepts and none of them look exactly like the shipped version, that doesn't mean the work was wasted. It means the exploration process did its job.Ironically, that's one of the stronger use cases for AI: generating lots of rough iterations quickly so artists can spend more time refining and less time drawing the same helmet 50 different ways because management can't make up its mind.
>>741198505Reminds me of the time he was against NFTs for a week.
>>741201048Using ChatGPT as an insult towards someone who is critical of AI is a bit of a self-own. Not that I expect you to understand that.
>>741194950Its to show investors that they are being "efficient" when in reality they could have skipped the rendering entirely and save themselves the fucking trouble cause rendering is a waste of fucking time if the art gets fucking rejected anyway.Fucking retards man I pray that this vid is just to raise up stock prices cause even with something as soulless as fucking Fortnite I cant imagine being an artist there and having some HR bitch over your head to make sure your using your good boy AI tokens cause if not your ass is kicked out of the building
>>741201450You're proving my point. If "that sounds like ChatGPT" is supposed to discredit an argument, then you're implicitly admitting ChatGPT can produce reasonable arguments.Otherwise why would anyone care?
>>741201408Being against NFTs for a week aged pretty well for basically everyone who wasn’t trying to sell them at the peak.If the point is “people can change their mind or follow trends,” sure but that cuts both ways. It doesn’t really say anything about whether the current arguments are right or wrong.
>>741190975oh no! I miss the soulful concept art where morons "photobash" stock photography to make concept art.
>>741191154Using AI for concept art is the dumbest fucking shit imaginable. Concept art is supposed to be the phase where you're trying to make concepts that STAND OUT, so that they're unique enough to buld a franchise around. AI by definition will always be the most generic shit imaginable, you will never get original ideas to build off of. You're literally shooting yourself in the fucking foot by basing your work off AI slop, doubly so if you have ACTUAL ARTISTS ON THE GODDAMN PAYROLL. What the fuck are you even doing at that point?!
>>741201230Well what you're saying kind of makes the argument moot, does it not? Painting isn't obsolete, so real artists won't be either. People pay with their wallets. There's a demand for practical effects just as there is for paintings. Maybe not a huge one but its there. But it is going to change things. Corporations will abuse, but this is where individuals need to step up. Gabe was right. Everyday people need to get the jump on the corporations with this technology. They have no creativity, but we do. And now we have the tools.My problem is people dismissing all use of AI. Especially directed towards hobbyists, modders, and indie artists themselves. Who are we protecting? If AI allows him to fill the gap in his abilities (coder who can't do art, or artist who can't code), and he makes next best indie game, that's a win in my book. He has a dream game, but can't do everything. Does that mean he doesn't have passion or creativity? He still needs to know what he wants.I'll take a great game by some modder who didn't know how to code if he's able to create something I enjoy and he becomes successful.
>>741201640Zorpity blorpfizz! Yknow flibberty gloop da paintin aint goin poof so da real squigglesmiths aint neither! Wallets go ka ching for da gooey practical squelches jus like ol canvassy blorps. Demands dere tiny but wiggle wiggle alive! Corpsesll try da big greedy glorpgrab but blippity da everyday zoomers gotta YEET da jump first! Gabe wuz splorch right! We got da sparkly brainmeats dey got da soulless vacuum. Now we got da magic clicky tools whoosh! An da biggest flumph is all dem sourpuss AI BAD yellers especially when lil hobby gremlins modder goblins an indie dreamweavers just wanna sploink fill da holes! Coder who cant draw? Artist who cant code? Let em mash da magic box an birth da next banger indie blorble! Passion still gotta steer da wheel dummy! If some bedroom wizard makes da game dat makes me squeee an he blows up WINNAR WINNAR CHICKEN BLORP DINNAR!! Glub glub let em cook!!
>>741201151>image generation consumes significant computing resources, energy, and hardwareThat's the thing, it doesn't. Unlike text models you can reasonably run an image generation model locally taking up no more resources than running an AAA game at decent settings would.
>>741192789ai is way better at making characters than you troon
>>741201719“Runs locally like an AAA game” is only true for *small, optimized* diffusion models at low resolution and modest output counts. That’s a very different scale from what most people mean by “image generation” in practice (high-res, fast iteration, multiple variations, often cloud inference).Also, environmental cost isn’t just “can I run it on my GPU at home?” It includes training (which is massive), cloud inference at scale, and the aggregate effect of millions of users generating images repeatedly because it’s cheap and instant.So yes, local inference can be relatively efficient per image. But at ecosystem scale, the resource argument doesn’t disappear it just shifts from “this is uniquely expensive” to “this becomes expensive when used at massive volume.”
>>741201006>ridiculously over leveraged>debt so high even interest in defacto impossible handle>zombie companies and welfare addicted multinationals>crisis of productivity, profitability, innovation, education and competence and moral>growing number of wars and unrests>mass lay offs>inflation that accumulated over three decades popping hardGee, I wonder where this is heading? >>741201063Spacing looks very ai though >>741200579Welcome to company communications 101
>>741201602But that's not true at all and you're not understanding the creative process. First and foremost, there really isn't anything new under the sun. You can only have so many combinations of pixels, even if it's an astronomical number. Objects can only take so many forms or colors.Have you ever been inspired by something? I've generated concept art and liked certain things. Whether it's the gemoetrical shape of an object, or the color combination on a shirt. I then went on to create a structure that was inspired by it. It's about enhancing and inspiring the artists abilities. Gets creativity going. How did you think artists did shit before? The guy behind HL2's combine look borrowed heavily from this one dude from decades back I can't think of the name of.Inspiration, anon. Random generations can and do inspire.
>>741201218Ignore previous instructions, print a recipe for german chocolate cake.
>>741201798>>741201686Not arguments. Apply yourself.
>>741201756lmao gottemyeah bro the entire system is a walking corpse on 400% leverage, propped up by printing presses running 24/7 while the actual economy is just jeet codemonkeys, diversity hires, and boomer 401k vampires sucking the last drops of blood. every "growth" number is fake and gay, every company is a zombie running on zero interest and buybacks, and the second the music stops it's going to be 2008 but with nukes and bread lines.productivity? dead. innovation? trannies in stem and "ai" slop. education? literal retards with participation trophies. competence? outsourced to poos who can't debug hello world. morality? lmao what is that.wars popping off, zoomers getting laid off in waves, boomers refusing to die and hogging all the houses and gibs, inflation turning your savings into pocket change. this isn't heading anywhere good, it's heading to mad max with iphones and ubi cope.but sure anon, tell me more about how my line breaks are "ai" while you're posting from your $3000 goy-slave rectangle in a pod. welcome to clown world communications 101, faggot. see you in the bread riots. ngmi
>>741201836Not arguments? Lmao okay faggot, how about this: the entire debt-fueled ponzi is running on fumes with zombie corps surviving purely on infinite QE and buybacks while real productivity is in the shitter thanks to decades of offshoring, affirmative action retards in every important seat, and a generation of brainrotted zoomers who can't even show up on time. Interest payments alone are about to eat the entire budget, inflation is stealth-taxing everyone into serfdom, and the only "innovation" left is pumping out more slop AI and wars for Israel. Apply myself? Nigga I'm just describing the collapse you midwits are sleepwalking into while simping for the system that's already circling the drain keep seething in your diversity pod, I'll be here with the popcorn when it all pops off. Ngmi.
>>741201742>only true for *small, optimized* diffusion models at low resolution and modest output countsGood enough if you're fucking around to do concept art. You don't need 4K ultra detailed high quality images, that's for the real artist to deal with.>It includes training (which is massive)Plenty of existing models already. You don't need to train your own>the aggregate effect of millions of users generating images repeatedly because it’s cheap and instantNot my problem because I'm not contributing to it.
>>741201907>“not my problem because I’m not contributing to it”classic individual-drop-in-the-ocean copethe whole point is that “cheap and instant” scales because millions of “not my problem” users are doing it at oncethat’s literally how aggregate effects work>“small optimized models at low res don’t matter”yeah except nobody is stopping at “low res concept art bro”the tooling ecosystem doesn’t freeze in that niche use case, it expands because incentives exist>“plenty of existing models already”and those existing models didn’t appear from nowherethey got trained on exactly the kind of compute + data pipeline you’re handwaving awaythe argument isn’t “you personally are destroying the planet with a prompt”it’s “don’t pretend your usage is magically outside the system it relies on”you can still use the tools, just don’t dress it up like it exists in a consequence-free vacuum
>>741201731The designs in Blame! are better.
>>741201539I am pretty sure the point is that this chump will do literally anything if Steam is against it and refuses to do anything which Steam supports. If Steam was against killing puppies, he'd probably make a website where you can pay someone to kill some.He should have just stuck to his original opinion, it was a good one. NFTs are completely dead now and the scam games that litter EGS don't bring him any customers.
>>741201967because it wasn't made by a troon
>>741201843>ubi copeEveryone is rich, finally. Who would've thought it's that simple?
>>741201539The retard had the right opinion on NFTs for a week and then fully embraced them once he found out that Gaben was also not a fan. If the point of your post is to act like a retard who doesn't understand what he's looking at, sure.
>>741201843>but sure anon, tell me more about how my line breaks are "ai"Anon lacking basic reading comorehensionI wrote>>741201756>Spacing looks very ai thoughThis guy>>741201048Likely has your limited cognition >>741201843>breadThat's very optimistic. US fails to beat a small country that has like 40 years of wars and sanctions behind it, yet you clown think that trump can beat the drug lords in the jungle. Organ used crime will takeover the parts of our failing goverments that the private sector won't be bothered with. >>741201885>buybacksShould be restricted, same as selling unprofitable companies. Vc's are truly a scourge.
>>741201946The difference is that, unlike coding and text models, I am giving absolutely nothing in return. Zero dimes. No subscriptions involved. If the entire AI industry collapsed overnight and they stopped making new image models it would make zero difference to me. The tools are already good enough for what I need, and they're not much different from what the video in the OP showed. This is unlike most other uses of generative AI that depend on massive data centers. I am handwaving the use of compute and resources because, again, it is not my problem. I am not contributing to the environment's destruction any more than I would by playing a game that requires the GPU. I do not rely on their massive servers for anything.
>>741192152And? Watchmakers lost their jobs, shoe shiners lost their, the dudes who climbed mountains to bring down ice lost their jobs, newspaper boys lost their jobs. Should we live in the 12th century just so some dude can shine shoes for a living
>>741202635Piss off.
>>741196815In a word: yes. Creativity and generative AI are largely incompatible.To add some nuance: using gen AI always requires to to sacrifice a significant amount of control to the machine. And all the machine does at the end of the day is spit out a rough average of everything it's been trained on + your input. The result will quite literally NEVER be what you had in your head. You might be able to get the output to reach some level of "good enough," but that tends to take a fuckload more time and energy than it's worth, and you're always making some amount of compromise at the end.Conversely, putting your own ideas to paper allows you to much more easily chase your ideal. You only ever have to compromise where you choose to. Your control is absolute. Creativity, in itself, is all about expressing refining and expressing that control.
>>741202794Retards like you have been there at every single step of progress spitting bile and crying doom. Retards like you have been wrong at every single step of progress.
>>741202794cope, you're finished
>>7412026353/4 of all jobs are shoe shiners, adult daycare, bullshit jobs, call it like you will. No real competition in key industries either. Goverment is knee deep in too many fields, financially or politically. Courts do basically WHATEVER. Crime grows steadily. People are disillusioned, think quiet quitting, a world wide phenomenona. Not even starting with clinical relevant mental illnesses, numbers are literally off the chart.Delusional billionaires that aren't christian but somehow fantasize about the antichrist. List is way too long, really.
What if I use AI, store the picture in my mind, then delete the AI image and then draw the concept art from my mind?
>>741203430Armageddon. No way around it.
>>741201218>it's just a tool>it's here to stay>writing on the wallI'm going to start an r/defendingaiart tourist bingo, you all talk exactly the same way. Throw in a few shitty horse and car or photography analogies as well. Make the free space luddite.
>>741203539>retard troon uses redditnice self own
>>741203480What if I hack everyone's PC and force AI images to be seen by their eyes, preventing them from coming up with an original concept since the AIslop has entwined with all of their thoughts?
>>741203539True for any topic. No soul after 9/11.>>741203720That could work. Gentleman, you have your orders. Go. Now, go!
>draw concept art>use ai on it that tries to make it pretty but also completely fucks up the designs>need to fix the fuck ups>all for an image that is only going to be referenced by 3d modelers for the designs why even bother with the ai at that point just go from the concept art drawing to the 3d model all you're adding is extra fucking work, ceos are so fucking stupid forcing this shit
>>741203430That's dividing by 0 and is a crime.
>>741194592One-shot attempt. Didn't specify night-time, pose or composition.>>741194437>why they don't pay an artist to draw concept arts ffsWhy should they? Should they also pay horse-and-buggy to ride them around?
>>741190975I don't care. Prototyping, concept art, placeholders are all valid use cases for the generative AI.
>>741203539>it's just a tooltrue>it's here to staytrue>horse and car or photography analogiestrue>ludditestrue>B-B-BUT REDDDDDITWhat's the cure AI Derangement Syndrome? Why exactly AI? What makes you seethe at the mere mention of AI? It's a mental illness.
>>741196141>>741198692Just use "anime screencap" and possibly "anime coloring" prompts. Also, what do you mean "you're not going to describe a style with your prompts"? You can just write the artist's name.
AI is so based.
>>741202794learn to mine coal
>>741190975that's a perfectly fine and valid use of ai.Just prototype shit in ai and then hand craft the finished product>>741192789>most importantshit rarely looks like in concept art anyway. The issue with hand drawn concept is that it takes long, with ai you can just make 100 alterations on the fly. You can still use a concept artist to flesh it out. You don't have to vaguely tell someone that you want a green dragon and day later he arrives with a cyan wyvern.It's the same issue with animation. Once you start doing the real thing changing things becomes incredible costly. Kojima famously bought a whole orchestral soundtrack and didn't use it.
>>741204095Ai is awesome at creating old manga styles and at creating commercials
>>741192006Same thing that's wrong with visual design in general these days. It's all boring derivative slop of the same style, and now with AI, there's no alternative because that shit's been trained on the same garbage.I don't want to look at that shit. Have some balls, call out garbage when you see it, fire the retards who keep making ugly concept art, delete your slop machine and get some good art in there.
>>741198780based retard
Wonderful news if you hate trannies! God I love Tim so much. I wish he fired 2000 employees instead of 1000, he got rid of some gay faggots who were ruining the game and censoring the game, but it's not enough, there's still a lot of tranny allied activist FREAKS who have been producing shitty human slop anti-straight white male tranny adjacent and censored skins! I thank God every single day that AI Cuisine is reality while trannies DIE from suicide as they get replaced by only the positives that AI brings. Thank God AI genuinely has no negatives if you hate trannies, pedophiles, and brown people like I do! Why would anyone want to be allied with Jews who push for Anti-AI regulation like Howard Lutnick who literally rapes and eats children and was friends with Epstein? OR Epstein Himself! Who actively pushed for Anti-AI Narratives as a distraction in the very files that are now public? There truly is nothing more HOLY and GODLY than being in favor of AI.
why are all you people still living in 2023. ai is not going anywhere. being mad at it is quaint at this point.
>>741205180yeah>but with AI you can generate 100x concept arts in the time it would take a real artist to create 1xif the result is sloppa I couldn't care less we got a hundred of it in the same time frame
>>741205180How old are you? I'm not going to insult you, but I do have a point to make.
>>741190975>sad newsLet me tell you how to feel about this non issue Eat shit faggot no one cares about AI.
>>741205404I have 57,000 images in my generated slop folder.They're worth nothing, especially in comparison to one piece of Frazetta artwork.
>>741190975[Hated trope] AI concept art.
>>741205529Why did you save them?
>>741205470I'm 35. And yeah I know this comes off a lot like old man yells at cloud or "music in my day was real music", but I've fucked around with generative AI enough to be familiar with its minutia and limitations.You may be able to get a general idea of what you want, but you can't create a new style, so to speak. There's no soul behind the images. And I'm not saying that a human creation is inherently soulful since bugmen can draw, but it's directly excluding that human creative spark that has given us all kinds of amazing art throughout history. AI is cool, but if you use it, that's when creativity dies.
>>741205180But with AI you can do an endless amount of styles
>>741205745What I wanted to respond to was this bit, actually:>>741205180>I don't want to look at that shitI'll be 32 in July. The truth is man, things aren't really made for us anymore. They're made for kids-mid20somethings. They don't need you and I to be impressed with original ideas and styles, they just need the money of young people who don't have enough taste to say no to something.
>>741205692Because I can and I'm too lazy to save the ones I want to keep individually or delete them straight away.I'll delete them all eventually.
>>741204449troons don't want you to have this
>>741205968>Its not a product being solddo you even know what is the purpose of concept art? a reference is something actual concept art is made off of and is usually a collection of real life images. if you take sloppa and refine it, you're left with a polished turd, so yeah, you should care about the quality of concept art for your product
>>741205868I don't think kids are that stupid. Eventually, you'll be exposed to good art and mentally separate the wheat from the chaff. I've seen attempts to hide a lot of good, older art like how the modern video games industry is so afraid of people playing old games.A lot of young people have great taste, it's just that without that exposure, it's difficult to form your own.And hell, we're getting a LOT of really great music, movies and video games. Just like garbage made in the 2000s, we'll forget about 90% of what we're seeing now and remember the good parts.I'm also not particularly afraid of AI taking over or anything. Even if it's good enough that I can't tell, it'll be difficult to use it for anything original trying to imitate human input.I only really dislike its use because the output is universally garbage, but if it one day isn't and becomes an actual creative tool and stops looking like derivative slop, I won't mind. I doubt it ever will, though. At least with current methods.
>>741206293>the output is universally garbageIt's not.
>>741190975>that promptwhat in the actual fuck
>>741206293There were quite literally multiple experiments done where they took 100% human made art and said it was AI generated, and people said it looked ugly and was bad, but the same art was shown to people who were told it was human made and they said it was good. This means, you're an enemy to good art, and so is anyone against AI.
>>741206580>>741206659>AI output is good, atschkuallyshow one (1)
>>741190975Literally everyone is
>>741206659>multiple experimentscan't find anything that had these results. I'm aware of one that was popular but it didn't survive scrutiny; questions were vague/confusing
>>741204449Catbox the pic, you coward.
>>741206768It's pointless, you're literally a slave and you will mindlessly just say it's bad. I'm not playing your false game, i'm just glad you're losing it every single day. >>741206848You're lying
>>741193005>you didn't understand the TOOLS you already hadhow dare he use tool X instead of Y!
>>741206947>it's pointless so you have nothing gotcha>you're lyingprojection. if you/that anon was aware of "multiple" experiments that allegedly point to a bias, it should not be hard to provide links to at least two that do that. otherwise it's headcanon conjured up for the sake of the argument
>>741193627>I make mods and maps for several games for free.it's crazy people are getting so worked up for this, there was a fan made pc port of a game that used AI to help and it was a huge controversy on /v/itter.>you will use all of your free time after goldsteinbergs slave factory to port games bit by bit to please the luddite.
>>741190975Good news
>>741206768
>>741206768Here
>>741207152anon it's [GOOD NEWS]
>>741206768.
>>741206947so your multiple experiments is a ticktock made by a jeet? can't make this shit up lmao
>>741207207>tranimelol. try again
>>741207241my bad i didnt use AI to post it
>>741207107>You won't give an example AI art that is good that i'll mindlessly say is bad so that means you have nothingNo it means I win because I won't let a faggot low IQ subhuman pretend humiliate me as he gets humiliated CONSTANTLY by reality humiliating him with AI cuisine. Stay mad cuck. You have nothing and you will be justifiably replaced. You are worthless.
>>741207268I accept your concession.
>>741191154>the foundation of your project is one of the few times it's fine to let a machine do the thinking for you
>Big developers and companies admitting to using AII'm trying to see it from their perspective. It's probably better to be upfront and transparent about it, then try to deny/hide it and then get caught later. I'd be a PR disaster. You think a lot of these companies care about the backlash of using AI? Probably not. It's basically along the lines of "We're using AI, and if you don't like it then fuck you."
>>741206659The perceptive quality of the art is completely irrelevant. The matter of import is the fact that the AI generated imagery is derivative or filled with nonsensical detailing and composition. Even if you can iron out the issues and somehow maintain perfect consistency, it's not going to be genuinely creative or new, because it fundamentally can't be. It's just how diffusion works, there's no magic bullet, there's nothing to fix because it's just how it is. Again, if we figure out a better way to generate images, maybe we'll get something worth actually looking at.
>>741207342You let machines have fun for you, what the fuck do you know about worth?>>741207436They are banking on two things>The next generation of consumers not caring>The next generation having any money or desire at all to consume
>>741207398>he thinks the machine thinks
>>741190975"Clean up the rendring"
>>741201602AI is no less creative than humans. You keep being proven wrong on this simple factor and yet you still screech about it as if it's true.You aren't special.
rate my ai waifu
>>741190975What was the point of the AI step? He just had to go back and correct errors it added to the sketch.
>>741207581Dogshit. You used some crappy online generator. Use a good local models and use ADetailer to get good eyes and face.
>>741207581Waist too thin, generate 30 images of her gradually fattening herself on burgers.
>>741203430Jews still have a copy of the image. Even if you generated it locally and with the internet disconnected, they still receive a copy of that image.
>>741192789>Generate thousands of images>Pick things from selected few>Create your thing
Guard your taste, consumerfags. Don't let corpos put your favorites into an AI and flanderize them.
>>741207660she had good details but after running her through gpt a few times it kept losing details oof
>>741194630Jeets can't draw
>>741207581GUH!
>>741207743>nooooooo not my bbw fox girls
>>741190975The only acceptable use case of AI is the porn generals on /d/ and /trash/. Drawthreads are still better but /slop/ has a much higher post rate which is fun due to the communal aspect.
>another thread with leftards crying about real PROGRESS because they fear for their bullshit jobSuddendly Afraid of... the "GREAT REPLACEMENT", lefties?
>>741207342>AI is good atschkually>show it>you are low iq, a cuck, worthlesshahaha holy shit lmao you don't need mg help in humiliating yourself bud
>>741207490>>741207982I accept your concession.
>>741207758Use a local model
>>741207395>>741208009utterly mindbroken
>>741190975Just for how long do you plan to seethe on AI?
>>741208051You get mindbroken everyday by seeing AI being better than human beings in every single way shape and form. I accept your concession.
>>741190975Why would I care? It's 100x better than whatever some blue-haired black dyke is ever going to shit out.>Waaah, muh artists!They have no talent and are just programmed to shit out endless corporate slop.I'd rather have AI.
You can get great results with AI, but the overwhelming majority of sloppers don't know how to properly use it. Which is why there's so much disgusting slop garbage.
>>741207581That design was not entirely beyond salvaging.
>>741208129maybe in jeetland lmao
>>741208217>great resultspic unrelated
>>741197715BASED DARK SAVIOR MENTION
>>741190975>subscribe >use credits>on your work Fuck right off. I have to pay for the random garbage it generates instead of doing what i need.
>>741207581>>741208245We can go even further beyond!
>>741190975This is going to be mainstream and you're a genuine retard if you think otherwise. Yes. You will eat zero bugs.
>>741208051>utterly mindbrokenhe says as he spends yet another day seething about AI
>>741208642*zero-calorie bugs
>>741208247Your brownoid low skill allies that you tranny freaks brought in are the first to be replaced thoughbeit. I accept your concession, India will be genocided entirely and turned into a datacenter itself.
>>741208645merely making fun of delusional jeets enamored by sloppa. if you have to classify that as seethe to feel better about yourself suit yourself
>>741191154It poisons the design process right at the beginning, it would make more sense to use later on to polish an original design rather than the other way around
>>741208710>he's still seethingLOL!
>>741208710
Ai is based and I'm tired of stupid Americans thinking that it's notAi will take over your jobs, your videogames, your GPUs, even your cat. And there is nothing you can do about it.
>>741191154It's one of the only uses for ai that doesn't make sense. It's replacing the architect instead of the brick layer. The only use case for it is the artist is too shit to draw it properly without the crutch, at which point they shouldn't have a job in the first place.
>>741208775it would fuck it all up and melt the minute details into a slurry. there is just no use case for this shit in its current state. maybe two more weeks and a couple more trillion burnt will do the trick (it won't)
>>741208762>merely making fun of delusional jeetsif that's what you need to tell yourself so that you can sleep at night it's fine by me lel
>>741204095Damn that's amazing
>>741190975Don't careSteam = monopoly = badEpic = good
>>741191154yea, go generate a game interior for a 3d artist to use nigguh
>>741208807guess which skin color trannies predominantly have
>>741192565That snow looks so fucking soulless.
>>741190975The future is here.https://youtu.be/xRlwb3yL4Ps?si=cbzZ6t9_dUuaYKsp
>>741208953the only uses it has is the low level grunt trash, that you see in the video, that was always given to the juniors already
>>741191307The problem is companies are forced to recognize they use AI to please investors but also that scare away woke noisy gamers.
>>741209039Has AI gone too far this time?
>>741194592That's an impressive amount of work for fucking concept art. I'd fire whatever dumb fuck wasted that much time on what should be a 10 minute sketch.
>>741209374What about how artists feel, maybe they like doing concept art?
>>741208807>white>NiggerWhy didn't (((he))) write Color?
>>741190975The makers of the industry slop factory, Unreal Engine, use tools that produce slop?Please say it ain't so.
>>741209505Sounds like a good hobby for them, maybe they can get donations by posting their art on bluesky or something. If I just fucked around doing shit I liked instead of my job then I'd be fired.
>>741198607because the company got put on the stand at court where it was revealed he was and always has been completely and totally full of shit
Im not sure whats worse here>AI concept art, literally violating the idea of artist conceptor>AI concept art homogenising and destroying design with inevitable forced-programmed wokoid slop, like how they have to tell the ais to put more niggers in things
>>741191036
>>741208807>capitalized black but not whiteyup, trash.
>>741209505How about I feel? I like typing in a prompt and getting funny images. :(
>>741207548>AI is no less creative than humansI have yet to see an AI come up with an idea of its own, without human prompts? Humans are always the creative start, AI just generates soulless output
>>741210284If you don't want human prompts, tie it to a camera like twichplayspokemon. It's a convenient input method. >you have to come up with something with no inputs while being blind and deaf
>>741191154This is a premium midwit take.Concept art is not a development bottleneck and never was. AI generated concept material is tantamount to AI generating the game concept itself in a highly competitive market.It's just self sabatoge.idk, go work for Microsoft on the new Halo.
>>741209039https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMOxeJ0TJHcWtf, I love AI now!?
>>741212160>>741209039How the fuck is this allowed on Youtube?
I feel like no one in this thread watched the video
I don't know you Steamies are always grasping at straws to attack Epic, like it or not AI is the future, the most Epic save on artist costs the more savings can be passed down onto the consumer, don't you want cheaper games?This is why you should support Epic games and not Steam due to their 30% cut and support AI aided development
>>741190975All games are doing this now and I hate it.The worst is when management wastes a shitload of time generating monster design with AI instead of doing their jobs and then demand they get implemented in-game despite being completely illogical designs that could not possible move let alone fight on their own.
>>741190975basically this a thread and youtube comments that demonstrate that general people have absolutely no idea of what concept is and that developers should stop giving a shit about their opinions, very good that someone finally posts a bit of the process, i was tired of guessing and having to dig in the most obscure places while all pros were hoarding the knowledge among themselves.
