>Get QoL update users have been asking for years including netcode>Still no new players
>>741196607Did they get rid of matchmaking, increase the server population from 8 max to 16 max, and have a vanilla public map rotation that keeps you on the same map with the same players for longer than 10 minutes? Then no, it'll never get new players.
>>741196607>game on life support for years>why no new players?Gee who knows
It's a shame because the core gameplay is fun, but no one wants to sit in matchmaking queues for more than they're actually playing the game. Also took them 5 years to officially release the game, which is pants on head retarded, but par for the course nowadays.
>>741196607quack hampions
>>741196786Why did they try to emulate the flop that was the Overwatch E-sports scene
>>741196717Technically impossible as far as I know
>>741197298Not really, they just don't do it cus they're afraid adding a server mode might split the playerbase even further iirc
>>741196980They wanted to attract the newgen compfags to Quake, while at the same time, introducing SBMM (which doesn't work) to supposedly prevent stomps, and also giving unique character abilities to lower the barrier to entry which pisses off the whiners who probably wouldn't play it in the first place. So what's gonna happen is they're gonna learn the wrong lesson and go make a new Quake that's just a rehash of Quake 3 again, with the same retarded matchmaking and low server populations as Champions, hoping to attract the purists back into the fold. It'll be DOA, and they'll shelve the IP again for another decade.What they should do instead is have a simple "Play Now" button that puts you into open servers customized to your liking, lets you run around and frag without spitting you back on the menu, and let people have a starter weapon upon respawn like they did in Quake Live for a time. Let the retards whine about the skill floor being raised a little bit and skill expression accounting for slightly less on 16 or 32-player servers, let the game's good PC-oriented movement and combat be the draw, and let the noobs learn the maps and mechanics of the game in a casual, chaotic environment. Boom, guaranteed tens of thousands of players at peak hours if you do this.
>>741196607>make fun game>a few technical hiccups on launch>add in hero abilities that are controversial but add an extra layer to the game>make menu system so you get booted to menu and have to go through matchmaking after every fucking round instead of straight onto the next round.>self perpetual cycle of killing off playerbaseLet people who want to play actually play your game, not that hard. Modern design is so full of impediments to actual play its insane.
I like it but overwatch has cornered that market and it's more coomer/China friendly Can't be helped
I'll pick it back up once the F2P on Empulse ends.Retards will discuss how to popularize the series but what they can't grasp is that Quake was never popular ever. You simply can't polish a turd without drastically altering the game's identity.It's a shame but sometimes a game is great and remains unpopular. I got into Quake in 2024 and duels is the best FPS experience I ever had.
FFS I want single player quake (q1 style) and not more multi only shit
>>741196607I quit because the netcode was ass and no matter how much I tried I could never get as fast as the people that had been playing for 20 years.
>>741196717>>741197339they are really fucking stupid I feel like this is a common sense move by this point and there is 0 justification to not do it anymore. Only dedicated fans are still playing the worry about splitting them now is irrational.
>>741198953Just use scalebearer bro
>>741196607Quake is a dead IP and has been dead since at least Quake Live but not up to Quake 3. Who the fuck is playing Quake after 2014 or so?
>>741196717Anon, they actually made the matchmaking worse. Now you can't select a server, you're forced to play in your own region, meaning if there are no players near you, you're fucked. You basically can't play at all unless you live in the US and login during peak hours on a weekend.t. latinxfag, absolutely not a single player in my server.
>>741196607>try to attract new audience by betraying your core audienceHas this ever worked, like ever?
>>741199803me. quake and doom have infinite player content
>>741197660>Boom, guaranteed tens of thousands of players at peak hours if you do this.lmao, Quale will never be that popular, most people won't bother learning to bhop and that's an essential mechanic, you move like 3x slower without it.Just let it go and stop the wet fantasies.
>>741200025They got rid of it a few days ago>>741200404>betraying your core audience"Veteran" Quake players all migrated to QC no?
>>741196607I saw what it should be in the preview movie. The actual playable thing wasn't that.
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>>741200664>"Veteran" Quake players all migrated to QC no?Hell no. They shat all over QC because their pea brains couldn't handle the added depth of champions, and went back to QL because they're nostalgia addicted fags.
>>741203821All the pros still play QC tho
>>741204565Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>741204745Pros play whatever has prize money, but I do see them show up to the QC weeklies. I don't know if other Quakes have for-fun-tournaments with pro participation.
>>741196980for the same reason everyone else didthere was lots of money to be made by muscling in on the newish at the time audienceeveryone has seen that fortnite could come in with a battle royale years after pubg made it popular with normalfags and become one of the biggest money pits around so suits are never going to believe its retarded to try something similar no matter how late they are to the party
>>741196607>>Still no new playersit's too hard also requires a good PC to play, and you don't have support characters.
>>741196607if they wanted new players they should have kept adding her champs (like Klesk, Uriel, Xaero who all have references in game files as being worked on) instead of putting this game on a perpetual maintenance mode like HotS
>no dedicated serversThat's all this fucking game needs. If it had dedicated servers it would live forever. I LIKE QC and the netcode changes are good, but it doesn't mean shit if we aren't able to host ourselves
I used to play the shit out of this game when I could get a match load, years ago. It's really fun. The community hates new people though. Plus no one likes waiting an hour between matches to play for 10min.
>>741196607Isn't UT2K4 better and free now?
>>741196607>shit stinks for 10 years>no one sane will think it suddenly stopped stinking
>>741196607>new playersyou will just get killed a microsecond after you spawn because autists literally know exactly where you can spawn by manipulating the rng
>>741196607I just don't want to play an arena shooter that's fukken 33GB, especially since I know a sizeable chunk of that is high quality cosmetics locked behind microtransactions and what not. Why would I commit that hard when I can just play QC:DE, especially since dedicated servers are free to rent
>how can I make a new game for this old franchise so it's fans plays it?>by copying modern gamesI hate REDDIT software
>>741198415>make a game about shit netcode, hero abilities and lootboxesIf anything Quake was still too much Quake for casuals to like it. Not many people play Quake Champions, and even less people play the originals.
>>741196607is there still a dude that spawns a turret sentry in an arena shooter? shan't be playing
>>741208426yeah they should have followed the steps of xonotic and toxxik
>>741208426What fans?
>>741196607They need more than just QoL update to make more people play again. Something like relaunch and working on it more for future updates
>hero-shooter>in my arena fpsgee, really can't see why that shit failed
>>741208708And what do you play then? Oh wow always so many people claiming to want arena shooter but they never play them.
>>741208423I think this sentiment is quite common. Even if the game wasn't complete shit, why bother when a superior and open alternative exists
>>741208708Unlike all these thriving arena shooters on market
>>741208423>>741208857If it is superior why does nobody play it? 99,99% of the people just saw the mod and thought it was epic and cool because Doom + Quake is badass. Just posers everywhere.
>>741208790what is there to play?shitty abandoned arena fps by the only two IPs that ever had any staying power (quake champions and UT 18)?or shitty indie arena fps trying to ride on the glory of the past days but without trying to do anything new or interesting with the genre? that caters to "muuuh hardcore 1v1 esport" retards all the while failing to get new players interested in the genre (so effectively a dead playerbase) because it has no brand recognition in a niche genre?
>>741209002That is right. There is nothing to play. Nothing to do. Everything is shit. That is why we, the intelligent enlightened people, gather here at /v/ and discuss the state of the collapsing world.
>>741208943Your reading comprehension is poor
>>741209183>when I can just play this game insteadWhy aren't you and everyone else playing that then?
>>741208430OW wasn't unrunnable on day 1
>>741209105it's not mindless doom and gloom when talking about a genre that is literally deadyou're free to provide examples of arena fps that are worth playing and thriving if you have any
>>741209349None of them are worth playing if you don't like it. Other games are just more accessible and give more dopamine. This is also why companies are "greedy assholes who only think of profit". They make those types of games because YOU love them. So really it's all about just you not having a spine for shit.
>>741196607I've just been playing bot matches because there's no reason for me to play against real people.
>>741209737What reason do you have to play against bots?
>>741209808Not going 15-0 against people who never stopped playing.
The more I play FPS games the more I realise Quake with 3+ players is mindless, boring and repetitive There's a reason fans only play Duel
>>741209264I don't play heroslop. How can I possibly speak for others?
>>741209876If only skills like moving in 3D space and using mouse to aim would be universal skills that could be transfered between games but yeah unfortunately you have to start from 0 every time right
>>741209698lmao what the fuck are you on about, retard got broken or something?still haven't provided a single example of a game worth playing btw, the genre is dead for a reason and spoiler: it's not because fps games are unpopular (quite the opposite actually)
>>741209698who asked for a hero arena shooter? they mindlessly jumped on a bandwagon because overwatch had its 5 minutes for some reason
>>741209886Regular deathmatch is shitty, but CTF, CA, and freeze tag are fun.
>>741209916Yes so what DO you play to avoid heroslop and satisfy your needs for arena shooters?
>>741196607I'm honestly surprised it's still up.
>QC>hero shooterMorons.
>>741209962Quake isn't fun when there is even a 10% skill difference, it becomes a complete stomp every single time. I'm over 30, I no longer care to git gud at a game nobody plays.
>>741210059enlighten us then
>>741209968>still haven't provided a single example of a game worth playing btwI don't tell people what to like. If people don't like something they won't play it. People like games that are accessible and make them feel happy so that is what they will play. That is why most popular games list is what it is. Those are the games people find worth playing.If you don't want to play arena shooters then you won't play arena shooters, if you like them you will play them. That's all there is to the equation.
>>741210080If you're over 30 then you probably already know how the game works. The fundamentals are the same as 30 years ago.
>>741210249The fundamentals aren't hard to grasp, but the intricacies, especially among all the different characters, is another matter entirely. Everyone on the cast has their own movement mechanics to take into account.
>>741210301Just shoot at the bad guys. What's going to be different if you play vs Visor or sexy lizard woman? It only ever really matters on higher level because in the end it all boils down to fundamentals. And if you can't abuse the hero powers then that just means you will have little less rating and then go up when you start playing around them proper.
>>741210153Hero shooter means each character is 100% unique for each other. Overwatch is the most obvious example where every single character is completely different from one another. In QC, ever character is like 90% the same. It's not 100% Quake 1-4 in that regard but if you stripped out the 1 ability per character, not much would change as everybody still uses the same weapons and basic movement mechanics.
>>741210407The only people left are high level players, and I can't hang so I stick to bots.
>>741210010Quake, ql, and defrag to relax. Often in that order
>>741210453nice headcanon definition. here's an actually agreed upon one:>A hero shooter is a subgenre of shooter games which emphasize "hero" characters that have distinctive abilities and/or weapons that are specific to themeach QC character has its unique skill so it is by definition a hero shooter
>>741210539Nope, try again. See >>741210453 if you need help.
>>741210202multiplayer games need a decent playerbase to be any relevantwho want to play the same 3-4 dudes in duel mode for 30 years? who wants to join a new game just to be curbstomped by those same guys that can't move on and keep playing & making the same game ad eternam?the issue is a supply one, not a demand one, there's plenty of demand for fps games around (one of the most popular genres in gaming btw) and I would even argue that many of the popular multiplayer fps games nowadays got somewhat more technical than they were 20 years ago, and arena fps being one of the most "primitive" and "purest" form in the genre is not hard to get into because of its mechanics (pick a gun, shoot a guy), but because all the games in the genre are stuck in the past and gotten boring (the indies) or fell for some shitty trend that isn't even relevant anymore (QC)the fact that you can't even provide a single serious alternative is proof there are no interesting arena fps around
>>741210539By this definition, Class Based Shooters (Team Fortress, Enemy Territory, etc) are Hero Shooters.
>>741210614try again what? I already saw your headcanon definition and it's not what a hero shooter actually means lmao
>>741208943Partially BYOC, MM, and MOP consuming every player in site. Partially the fact that I play it whenever I feel like it because in addition to TSPG existing, I also have my own private dedicated server that I have ran the mod on before and host for my friends. I don't need to foster the QC:DE community, I can just get 6-12 people on the weekend.Better question is why you so gayyyyyy????//??/?
>>741210741they're class shooters because Soldier is Soldier and Medic is Medic, not John Rocketeer or whatever, loadouts are customizable and there are no cooldown spells. QC is undoubtedly a hero shooter
>>741210516And what's the number you get when you add up the number of players from those games? And why would it make sense for a studio to make a studio for them?
>>741210951>to make a STUDIO for them?a game*
>>741196607Oh shit I am installing it now.. Thank you OP
>>741209304ran fine on my gtx 770
>>741196717>Did they get rid of matchmaking, increase the server population from 8 max to 16 max, and have a vanilla public map rotation that keeps you on the same map with the same players for longer than 10 minutes? Then no, it'll never get new players.Reminder
>>741210951No idea. Only ql is multiplayer and I haven't checked player counts since maybe 2013
>>741211408>keep doing everything wrong>game dies because it sucks>lol you just never wanted that thing anyway
>>741211442>keep doing everything wrongIt has its problems but it doesn't warrant not playing it.>lol you just never wanted that thing anywayYes.
>>741211480Getting kicked out to the main menu after every single match to suffer queue times nearly as long as the game you just played warrants not playing the game. Why should I have to endure dogshit design like that?
>>741211550How do other games manage to do all that and more and still retain players? Maybe you and the rest just do not like the game.
>>741211550It doesn't even matter. If you're a real FPS fan you would be supporting, playing, and cheering on Quake Champions. Shame on you.>>741211597This. So much this. He's making excuses because he wants to hold on his FPS credentials.
>>741211618>If you're a real FPS fan you would be supporting, playing, and cheering on Quake Champions. Fuck that. Do it right, or I'm not playing.This exact situation was public discourse last week, with Destiny fags crying that people should play a completely different game in the hopes that they'll get what they want. I'm not rewarding them for their poor design choices.>>741211597I don't care. I'm not playing those games, either.
>>741196607>Live service >Loot boxes>Can't self host>Can't even play offline against botsYou can't make millenials and boomers to play your shit like this. I even paid for this shit. Such a massive disappointment. It should get self host and Eternal tier modding minimum.
classic arena shooters are stale. no one is saying they are bad but they're the track & field of gaming.
>>741211730>>Live service >>Loot boxes>>Can't self host>>Can't even play offline against bots>You can't make millenials and boomers to play your shit like this. I even paid for this shit. Such a massive disappointment. It should get self host and Eternal tier modding minimum.
>>741211709>I don't care.We know retard. You don't play any real old-school FPS games.
>skills in quake>fucking different hp/speed in quakekill anyone involved in the developent of this game
>>741211806Instead of tacking on new mechanics to complicate the formula, devs should focus on making more casual modes. Groom people into playing duels if they like the base gameplay.
>>741211818CS2 literally has self host and modding
>>741211618>If you're a real FPS fan>press X for superpower>real fps fan
>>741211846Which old-school FPS kicked you out to the main menu after every game?
>>74121191599% don't play it for that. Same with Dota and Apex. And PUBG. The last one is an idle game.
>>741196607Have you considered that a lot of people simply cannot be bothered to wait 15 years in anticipation for what should have been there in the very beginning?
>>741211962>Which old-school FPS kicked you out to the main menu after every game?You deadass quit an FPS game over this? Yeah, totally convincing you play old-school FPS games, right dad?
>>741211925They didn't even do that much and using them would animation lock you from shooting.
>>741212018Yes. It sucks having to wait 10 minutes just to rematch the same people I just played with instead of having a rolling lobby.
>>741211480>It has its problems but it doesn't warrant not playing it.Nigger what you need is some humbling buckbreaking. There are literally tens of thousands of games coming our every year. Why should this particular mediocre game deserve attention more than the other 20 thousand games that don't suffer from these problems? You a brand cultist or something?
>>741212164>why would I play this game when I like the other games moreYes so you don't like the game. Easy.
>>741211896>new mechanics to complicate the formulayou missed my point. classic arena shooters are stale BECAUSE the formula is so basic. its the reason why you aren't playing them right now. the game just boils down to map memorization and aiming, theres really no other nuance.
>>741211925Ohh I see you're one of those dorks who just regurgitated about the game being like Overwatch. It's one fucking power. It doesn't even destroy the identity of Quake at all.
>>741212373>a wallhack on a cooldown is fine>spawning a turret on an arena is fineit does destroy it and would be better off without it
>>741212164>You a brand cultist or something?I'm sick of fucking LARPers. Especially LARPers who are past the age of 30+ who deadass think they know everything because they grew up with the game. And think that Quake Champions is terrible because it's not a 1:1 copy but are making terrible excuses not to play. Totalbiscuit is right.>>741212540It doesn't. You can't just bring back an old game without a little innovation. It's like why even bother? I'm sure you're playing Quake Live.. Not.
>>741212582have you ever thought that not every innovation is good
>>741212090>using them would animation lock you from shooting.i dont remember that happened but if you say so, haven't played it on years
>>741212540You basically have walls in Quake as long as you're playing with sound. And the turret is pitiful. Besides everyone has access to the same "bullshit". Just pick the things you think are OP and beat their OP stuff.
>>741212647what three games do you play right now?
>>741212582>it doesn'tit does>You can't just bring back an old game without a little innovationyou can. they jumped on a hero shooter bandwagon and made it into unoptimized bloatware instead. waow!>I'm sure you're playing Quake LiveI did but it's abandonware>>741212657then why even bother?
>>741212729>it does>Has everything from Quake 3 like bunny hopping, strafe jumping, air control, rocket jumping, plasma climbing>one ability>NOOOOOO THAT'S NOT MY CHILDHOOD!! NO NO NO!!!!!
>>741212018not him but quake being a fast paced game it get's very annoying when matches only last 5min and you have to wait another 5min to get another matchcompletely kills the pace of the game when you're finally in the zone and the game ends and you have to wait for a new match
>>741212668none of my "current" games are shootersI still don't see why I should accept every innovation as goodWallhack in a multiplayer FPS will never be a good idea, ever
>>741212348>classic arena shooters are stale BECAUSE the formula is so basicThey're stale because there's nothing to do but play raw deathmatch, which results in noobs getting btfo and quitting after 2 games. Tacking more shit onto it isn't going to help anything.
>>741211408Actually there's a huge demand for these kinds of things. Matchmaking was what killed TF2 in its entirety. Also don't go acting like TB didn't have some shit takes.
>>741212991>it's just one ability per character and it doesn't matter anywayagain - why did they even bother then? clearly didn't help looking at the playerbase and it even scared some off because it just ain't quake with some tacked on assfaggot ultimate abilities
>>741213087If only it was possible for a noob to play vs another noob... But they always have so huge egos from all the single player slop they've consumed that they can't stand the idea how losing to someone even if it was 50:50. In team based games they can just always put the blame on someone else and easily keep queuing.
>>741211408>Outs all the 30+ Larpers even after death
>>741213180TB is not defending matchmaking in that post
>>741213226>it just ain't quake with some tacked on assfaggot ultimate abilitiesYall are not even playing Quake 3 you had an OG option for decades
>>741213226They did it in hopes of luring more players without ruining the basegame.>yeah but the basegame is ruined beca-no it literally isn't. Someone even 10% better than you can still whoop your ass even without any abilities because they don't do shit.
>>741213250>>741213087fellas no one wants to play a game where you're dropped into a castle and shoot at eachother with rocket launchers. that is boring. we have all played that to death. it is WHY YOU ARE NOT PLAYING THESE TYPES OF GAME RIGHT NOW.
>>741212293>I can't possibly refute what he's saying, so I'll change his words to fit my narrative and refute that instead! Checkmate, chuddie!
>>741213250The only way to play vs a noob is to either rope your friends into playing it, or going through a non-functioning matchmaking system. It's way more effort than anyone should reasonably assume a new player to go through.
>>741213543FUCKING THIS!!!!!!JUST BE HONEST WITH YOURSELVES!! STOP BASHING A GAME LIKE QUAKE CHAMPIONS FOR NOT BEING A 1:1 COPY!! YOU'RE JUST BURNT OUT FROM WHEN YOU WERE A KID!!! STRAIGHT UP NIGGA!
>>741213543Retard, that's why I advocate for things that aren't simply shooting at each other in an arena. You could make fucking Mario Kart with Quake's mechanics. Race around the map, while anyone trailing gets a weapon pickup that disappears when it's out of ammo.
>>741199119>only dedicated fans are still playingsaid fans have been playing QL for a while now
Quake died with Q3A and esport died with it.
>>741196607I just don't like movement autism
>>741213624>I am the worst player in the world so there is no point in even tryingHow can it be that there's so many people like you? You all should go in and battle to see who really is the worst video gamer of all time.
>>741213995When the only people playing are people who take the game seriously and are good at it, there is literally no point in trying.
>>741210453>everybody still uses the same weapons and basic movement mechanics.Literally untrue as there are characters that can bhop and others that can't.
>>741213809>Quake died with Q3A and esport died with it.I simply think people lost interest man. The 00's was the definitive period where technology was improving at an alarming rate. Quake felt so outdated at this point and we got better shooters like Halo, CoD, Battlefield, ect.
>>741214652>Quake felt so outdated at this point and we got better shooters like Halo, CoD, Battlefield
>>741214727What?
>>741214652It's the same what happened with RTS. People played arena fps and rts because there was nothing else yet. Then they started making games with bigger worlds and friendlier player mechanics like teams, using tanks, and other shit that is just like whoa cool lol and the progression system bombards you with dopamine.
>>741214652Battlefield 1942 is literally better than all the new Battlefield same goes for CoD/UO and 2.
>>741214652>we got better shooters like Halo, CoD, Battlefield, ect.This must be bait
>>741215531Well Counter-Strike is one of them. It's basically as old as Quake. Why was that game able to outlive Quake then?
>>741215673Gambling. CSGO was circling the drain before they added loot boxes.
games like Quake 3 Arena and now Quake Champions died because the 1% of players dominated the 99%, it was simply no fun allowedyou would just get niggerstomped by some russian with 15000h of ingame time
>>741215510what an incredibly brave thing to say in a retro fps thread.
>>741196607the nortubel of quakememes aside, what the fuck went wrong?the mtx shit was less scummy than it was in overwatch
Remember when Tim Willits begged players to stop playing Quake Live?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD3NVVfZUDs
>>741215789>Gambling.You know that CS is about 20+ years old right? Even before the gambling it was still popular. What about the Esports scene?>>741214843So basically it became more casual? I mean I don't understand you guys seem to be protecting arena shooters like your life depends on it but none of yall play it.
>>741215916>what the fuck went wrong?Unironically it was too much like Quake. Not that that's a bad thing but it doesn't work for modern gamers. People who never played QC don't realize it's almost identical to Q3.
>>741216067>Even before the gambling it was still popular.Not even close to how it is now. Back before skins, it was barely holding 10k concurrent players.
imagine making a hero shooter out of Quake and then wondering why nobody wants to play that when they could be on Quake Live or the myriad Quake clones out there instead
>>741216170I'm not comparing eras of this game. I'm talking about the game itself being popular pre lootboxes and gambling. Clearly, the game is still fun since there's an esports scene. You can't just blame that.
>>741209980The idea was settled before anyone heard of Overwatch. Devs said the intention was to combine Quake with fighting games.>>741210539For me hero shooters have to play like OW. Meaning game modes with heavy emphasis on teamplay, RPG archetypes (support, tank, DPS), and powerful team-wiping abilities. So games like OW, Rivals, Paladins.BF2042 had heroes but it still played like a typical BF game. Same here, the gameplay is 95% traditional Quake.
>>741216170are you fucking retarded?
>>741216232No one plays arena shooters anymore. The posers play single player boomer shooters
>>741216232yeah the myriad of bad quake clones, like diabotical
>>741216264The game was not anywhere near as popular pre-gambling. Even QC was pulling high numbers shortly after release.esports scenes are irrelevant, because even Halo still has one after it's become a laughing stock of a game. Put money into something, and people will play it regardless of quality.
>announced center stage at E3 >backed by publisher titan bethesda >developed by gaming legends id software >saber interactive helping develop the game >using Quake IP >$2.1 million memesport prize money so far >even people that paid $30 to play have abandoned the game >they can't get people to play even now its f2p >removed the lootboxes people still don't want to play >last tech update was in January 2018 (hitbox improvements) >no replays/demos >no endless lobbies >no LAN >developers clearly left as the only remaining updates are rebalances >top players all hate the game >shit maps>shit gameplay modes>shit ui customisability>shit sound>no community servers>no community mods>shit engine>shit netcode
>>741216232>imagine making a hero shooter out of QuakeYeah. I wonder what it would be like if they actually did this.
>>741214843After skill ceilings are flattened all that's left is to pad with gimmicks, skins and "progression"
>>741216445>The game was not anywhere near as popular pre-gambling.Ok, I'll take your word for it. It was still popular and my point still stands.>esports scenes are irrelevant,Esports scene is relevant because Quake 3 was super popular with it
>>741216529Quake 3 was popular with or without a competitive scene, because it was a fun game that had a lot of people playing it already.
>>741211408Totalbiscuit outed all of you retards ITT and he's right even in death stop acting like fuckin posers
>>741216592Anyways you're a fucking poser. Support Quake Champions. One ability isn't going to ruin it. Stop pretending to be some arena FPS purist. You sucked even when you were a kid. Go play it faggot.
There's quite literally nothing stopping you from playing Quake Live FFA / Duel right now except being a massive poser.
>>741196607Do they still only have one developer on it and did he do all of this by himself?
>>741216067>I mean I don't understand you guys seem to be protecting arena shooters like your life depends on it but none of yall play it.My life doesn't depend on it. I am just giving the facts why they don't have players. People who go "yeah I totally would play arena shooters but uhhh its the devs fault!!!" just make me seethe unhealthy amounts.
>>741216821Yeah.
>>741216718I did play it, then I got tired of it and moved on. Why aren't you playing it instead of posting on /v/?
>>741216902It's 7 in the morning
>>741216951So?
>>741217046I queued up this morning It was 3+ minutes. I'm going to wait later in the day to play it when there's more players. Don't tell me what to do poser. At least I'm playing arena shooters and you're not. So called "purist".
>>741216951what last 3 videogames have you played?
>>741217138Why should I answer that?
>>741196607I still play quake 1
>>741216778>just play the same 20yo game with the same 3 guys or you're a poser
>>741217113
>>741216902>>741217241Am I talking to the same person? The original guy said he got tired and moved on and stopped playing. Fuck off ragebaitin nigga.
>>741217217That message was directed to people who are not happy with anything new. So yes, play the 20 year old game, or play the new game, or just say that you don't like the said games at all.
>>741217320I'm only playing for the free battle pass. Once that's done, I'm back to not caring about Quake until Forty comes out of retirement.
>>741217217Try reinventing the wheel and the posers who don't even play arena shooters anymore will tell them "IT'S NOT QUAKE! NO NO NO!! IT HAS TO BE MY EXACT CHILDHOOD"
>>741217436Just make a game that doesn't suck. Rolling lobbies and decent optimization would have gone a long way.
>>741217573I just find it very hard to believe that we've gotten dozens of new arena shooters in the last decade and more and somehow they just all suck? I just feel like none of you guys are giving it a chance.
>>741217639Why is that so hard to believe?Toxikk was a $20 game with 2 maps that released at the same time UT4 was announced to be freeUT4 was DOA and relied on the community to create the game from scratch.Diabotical took chink money for exclusivity.Reflex and Warsow were actually fun and lasted for a while IIRC, but it fell into the same trap of every other AFPS where the top percentile of players bullies literally everyone else off the game.
>>741217947>Why is that so hard to believe?Because I don't believe half of these fucks when anyone negatively criticizes these indie arena shooters trying to reintroduce the genre. The genre is dead. Lets stop pretending that Quake Champions couldn't deliver. Despite it's flaws I think it's still a fun game. Arena shooters are dead. The posers mostly play boomer shooter single player games.
>>741196607Did they remove all elements of a hero shooter yet?
>>741212016sex with nyx
>>741218089>The genre is dead. Lets stop pretending that Quake Champions couldn't deliver. Both of those statements can be true. QC took years to introduce things that should have been there at launch, like time limit duel.
today i will remind them
>>741217947Reflex did everything right from arena fps gameplay perspective but it didn't do any better, as a matter of fact it's one of the smallest ones in your list. Just proves that nobody actually wants to play these fucking games and they rather go buy new Forza or gamble boxes in CS or mmr in Dota. The games are fine, people just want the easy way out to grind their daily dopamine.
>>741213747said "fans" plays only clan arena shit or the sweatshit circlejerk faggotry that is cpma
>>741218537based
>>741218760The problem with making a carbon copy is that you have to convince people to stop playing the game you're copying.
>>741218772Clan Arena is fun. Team modes suck shit when you're cucked out of weapons for most of your lives.
>>741217190it would paint a picture of what kind of jaded, annoying contrarian /v/ user you are.how many times have you replayed deus ex this year?
>>741218582>twenty twenty SIX>still no galena game
>>741203821Anon said people hated QC because there it was no clan arena, and said people hates vanila q3a, they are clan arena fags and borderline cpma sweatlords from ESR forums.
>>741218845Ok but what about the problem where if you don't make the carbon copy people are just going to cry that it isn't the same?And stop people from playing what? You talk like there's hundreds of thousands of players playing some great arena fps but you know even quake live has just few hundred concurrent players and 90% of them are russians (they're not likely to buy anything anyway).Oh and reflex arena wasn't just a carbon copy. Like graphically yeah, you just had some robots and maps were blocky. But the gameplay, UI, balance and netcode was all there. It was so smooth and clean to play.
>>741219081Just make something that doesn't suck, it's easy. Why play Quake with robots, blood, and a price tag when I could have just played Quake Live?
>>741219183People just use the green robot guy looking guy on every enemy model so lmao what does it matter. If your brand loyalty is so big then why does it stop you from playing the game moment there is little bit of change (quake champions).>but quake champions was done bad-YEAH IT WAS DONE BAD BECAUSE IT TRIED TO CHANGE SOMETHING. EVEN IF BY LITTLE. AND REFLEX ARENA WAS BAD BECAUSE IT DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING. IT JUST REFINED. SO EVERYTHING IS JUST BAD. >:(
>>741219335You conflate all change with good change, and assume that people pushing back on dumb ideas means they don't want anything at all.
>>741219335green keel is a cpma defaut.
>>741219516nigger you conflate all change with negative and have this delusional world in your head where you believe that the old thing just happens to be crafted perfectly and there is simply no fucking way to do anything better. Well expect that you still keep telling ppl that well they just gotta try harder and stop creating shit, but NOBODY KNOWS HOW TO PLEASE YOU, NOT EVEN YOU.
>>741219335Don't kid yourself. QC didn't just change something "a little" it totally fucking flipped the table. Stop being retarded and understand that while people don't want a carbon copy they don't want a whole new genre. There have been attempts copying Quake Live but none have done something interesting enough and not cumbersome enough to control to warrant people leaving the superior product.>>741219648Stop being retarded
>>741219648>nigger you conflate all change with negativeNot at all. You're the one saying that people pushing back against the stupid shit QC did means they don't want anything different at all.Just make good changes. It's easy.
>>741218906>how many times have you replayed deus ex this year?Zero. How many times have you played Dodonpachi Resurrection?
>>741215510battlefield dc mod was as good as battlefield ever goti still remember how great united offensive was too. united offensive could have made cod a battlefield killer, but console babby proved easy to exploit with low effort aggressive monetization of the series
>>741219762>>741219789AND WHAT ARE THESE "GOOD CHANGES"? WHEN NOTHING GETS CHANGED IT'S BAD TOO!
>>741219965I told you to stop being retarded.
>>741219965Good change would be introducing side modes and focusing on those. Duel is self-sustaining.
>>741219762>Don't kid yourself. QC didn't just change something "a little" it totally fucking flipped the table.Literally added one ability for each character and has all the mechanics from Quake 3. You're exaggerating.
i played qc for a bit then i started running into that templar chick who could place mines on the ground that instantly killed you. uninstalled right then and there
QCDE mogs QC
Quake was always an inferior Unreal despite coming out 3 years before the first Unreal.
>>741218540my fps wife
>>741220135Theres side modes. Reflex had all the modes including freeze tag. And people just end up playing the same fucking modes every time.
>>741220223who's the cat girl in the light category?
>>741220223where my clutch niggas at
>>741220368There are side modes, but they're tucked away and are generally the same ones that we've had since the Q3A expansions. Champions kind of tried with Slipgate and Sacrifice, but neither were very interesting.
>>741220147Due to backlash they removed the different stats each character had but kept in abilities both passive and actives. Even having these alter the games heavily and strays far from the even playing field the genre is known for. No matter the skin it would play the exact same. All about learning movement and map layout. If they called it Hero Shooter #43 I wouldn't give a shit but they dragged the Quake name in.
>>741220223The author is a fag for not adding crash/samus aran
>>741200025south american players are faggots who only organize custom matches, that's why you can't find a game. They won't use matchmaking because teams take turns winning and losing so nobody has their ego hurt. It's pathetic.
>>741220587>Due to backlash they removed the different statsAre you sure? The stats are still in the game.
>>741220645Been a while since I played. I remember something about a backlash. Even worse then if that's still a thing because It's like spitting on Quake.
>>741220147>Literally added one ability for each characterWrong. Everyone had different speed, different hitboxes, an active cooldown ability, one of 3 max armor amounts, and 1-3 passive abilities that affect things like movement, ability cooldown, or how your health, armor, and (in Death Knight's case) gauntlet behave.
>>741220587The biggest mistake was not porting to consoles seeing How stupidly popular Quake Arena Arcade was on xbla.Timmy was activelly sabotaging id Software, and now nepobaby sponge is there to enforce his will.that faggot halted even quake 2 remastered updates out of spite as he used to do at qc discord.
>>741210453Retard, QC has chars that can crouch slide and others that strafe jump. Doomguy can even double jump. Nice way to out yourself as a stupid faggot that never even played the game.
>>741220796Characters used to have different health amounts, but that was changed very early on so that everyone begins with a standard 100.
>>741217217What would a new arena FPS have to do for you to play it?
Shambler as playable character
>>741220851Slash being pure Quake 4 gameplay made things fun, and also bring sad memories, because activision killed quake 4 before q4max was minutes away from release.
>>741220851>Wrong.No, I am right. There's one ability.>Everyone had different speed, different hitboxes, an active cooldown ability, one of 3 max armor amounts, and 1-3 passive abilities that affect things like movement, ability cooldown, or how your health, armor, and (in Death Knight's case) gauntlet behave.Yes I'm aware. It's a class based game. "Champions". It's not trying to be a 1:1 copy of Quake 3. It's trying something new. And yet you purists are not playing Quake 3 or any other arena FPS.
>>741196607Quake posers NEVER play their game.
>>741220223this looks like the kind of game you play for maybe 3 hours max then spend 50 hours shilling it.
>>741221119>There's one ability.Passives are abilities.
>>741221183I am referring to active abilities.
arena shooters were a "genre" of two fucking franchises no one can name anything other than quake or UT anyway
>>741221183Nobody calls passives abilities they call them passives.
>>741220910>>741220851Crazy to read this shit and eventually finding out Quake Champions is more complex than Quake 3.
>>741221148Quake 1 sp trannies aka slipseer are to blame for this.
>>741221230anon is now going to pretend to be a gaming luddite because he thinks it makes him gregor irl
Quake Champs is actually pretty goodWhen it worksBut almost never worked back then. It wasn't lightweight, it had netcode issues, balance issues, crash issues, disconnection issues, development issues, lack of content issues, progression issues. And when they sorted their shit out they released their "Progression update" in winter 2019 and fucked it back again. The netcode worked at that moment and then it got fucked again. I was just fed up with it.I think it's much better now but it is also much deader. I mean it IS a good game, there is something very very good in here and I wish people would give it another chance
>>741221330Nobody calls passives abilities they call them passives.
Slash's voice and ass strap made me hard
>>741221387QC's gameplay design is fine. But every single aspect used to implement that design is garbage.
>>741221491>ass strapIt's a strapon harness.
>Hunter was supposed to be the next champ
>>741221307Athena had late quake 2 physics gameplay aka she was full q2ctf, and also ledge jumpSlash was the essence of q4dm physics and gameplay, including crouchslide, she was the pros favorite.Visor had base q3a gameplayStrogg and peeker were ETQW gameplayDeath Knight and Ranger are Q1 with different flavors, Vanilla Netquake and QW.
>>741221152It's basically QC but done it right. All the best maps (some from UT), known fps game characters (inc. Gordon and Caleb), a Q3 tier ""campaign"" against bots and ofc self hosting with server browser. You can also choose between QCDE and UT99 music and movement. You can try it, it's entirely free.
>>741221312I think it's the quake online players that are to blame because they don't play their fucking game
Assbros we lost
Arena FPS posers are holding the genre back because they wanna pretend to be some elite hardcore boomer gamer who loves all the classics. Everything has to be a 1:1 copy of the originals. Annoying as fuck, on god.
>>741221558>>741221491she is canonically a russian chick living in Cyberpunk LA
I liked how berserk she sounds
>>741221226I'm very sure all those old DOOM1-2, Build etc...games mp count as arena shooter. Only Quake is a jumpy game series while UT is around as grounded as like Duke Nukem 3D.
>>741221721wow quake champions has some depth why are people shitting on it so much?
>>741196607i tried it, netcode is still dogshit
>>741223108>netcode is still dogshitFucking liar.
>>741215673team based reliance. you are allowed to fail more if your team is good unlike in quake where everything is on you. too much responsibility for people.
come home, fellow uncs... we're waiting for you...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRtBACEMMKE
>>741196607I thought this game shut down many years ago now. Why would it get new players? Why would anyone still play it?
>>741223628BASED BASED BASED!!!!
>>741223637idk theyre retards. no new content and still almost impossible to earn in-game currency to buy a single weapon skin. its egregious
>>741198524this game is so good.tbphwy
>>741223628For Christ sakes just fucking play Quake Champions.
>>741223705>and still almost impossible to earn in-game currency to buy a single weapon skin. its egregiousyou don't need weapon skins you should be old enough to understand that
>>741198524>We have Titanfall 2 but gayer at home>TF2 but gayer at home be like
Just put bunnyhopping and strafe jumping in TF2.
>>741198524>what they can't grasp is that Quake was never popular ever.LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>741223784why? QCDE actually gives you options, modding support, servers and has good netcode. its just objectively superior.
qc is actually good, would be much more accessible and popular and more smooooth with the idtech engine instead of saber, like people have been asking for for 8-9 years.
>>741196607>Download the game again>Try to connect to other players>Half an hour later and still nothing. Like fucking nothing in any of the game modesThis is not only because there are few players but also because the game fails to search and find the ones that are already workingThe game would have been way more popular if they let you create your own servers. And being able to use bots even.
>>741224031So the entire concept and gameplay of Quake Champions is good? Just the rest of it isn't?
>>741223873Weapon skins give you an advantage in this game due to how they also change how projectiles appear.
>>741224031>why? QCDE actually gives you options, modding support, servers and has good netcode. its just objectively superior.How much have you played? I feel like you're just talking out of your ass
>>741196607would rather just play Quake Live
>>741224769>Weapon skins give you an advantage in this game due to how they also change how projectiles appear.LMAO!! Get the fuck out of here dumbass
>>741224725i mean, its not better than quake live or defrag obviously, but compared to QC, then yes, QCDE is vastly superior and deserves more players than QC which is a greedy shit game with no content. i would prefer zero powers and just shoot green keels all day, but not everyone is me, obviously.
>>741224774why do you say that? it sounds too good to be true or something or what? it just has more than QC is all im saying and its fucking free. very little players though which is why im trying to put you guys on.
>>741222291Literally old good, new bad when in reality it's old good, new good.
>>741225258Shitters will argue that they do not play because they do not play because they do not playDo not argue with shitters. They will not play, but will argue at everything they do not play.
>>741224863And before they gave the option(several years later), the weapon's position on the screen was determined by your weapon skin. And it took until last week to be able to finally hide weapon models entirely.
>>741222291QC issues are all performance and technical related
>>741225186>QC which is a greedy shit game with no content.How are they greedy when they're barely making anything to sell
>>741225471>And before they gave the option(several years later), the weapon's position on the screen was determined by your weapon skin. And it took until last week to be able to finally hide weapon models entirely.really bro? you guys tolerate private servers with mods downloading gigabytes of worthless shit with meme levels with meme sounds but having different projectile skins is crossing the line? lmfao.
>>741225186>QCDEi feel like niggas who play this are the same niggas who say, "i hate rap" but will listen to nerdcore rap or some parody rap music and are just in denial that they love rap
>>741225258go on. boot the game right now and show those "more players than QC" :)
if quake was rebooted with a good single player worth paying for, and the mp was barebones just qc except on idtech and without all shitty f2p user interface and f2p elements everybody would cry tears of joy. I am manifesting this into existence. thank me later.
>>741225186I'm sticking to QC I ain't doing all of that. I support the real thing and it plays and runs great now IDK why anyone is saying that
>>741225837Yes QC with generally famous fps characters, modding and offline bot support would be great. QC isn't entirely shit like they got the weapons and movement right.
>>741196607>i want X>here's Y>no i want X>god there's no pleasing you people!!!!!
>>741225984>Yes QC with generally famous fps characters, modding and offline bot support would be great.Is Quake Live not enough?
>>741225897Meanwhile all the most played games have all the "shitty" f2p user interfaces and f2p elements (BECAUSE THATS WHAT PEOPLE LOVE AND THATS WHY THESE GAMES ARE DEAD BECAUSE ITS JUST YOU AND YOUR GUN)
>>741211442This cope again. How many more decades need to pass, how many more Quake clones need to fail for you to accept that these games never had mass appeal?>>741212647It's the best thing they could've done without ruining the core of the game. Maybe a dash a la Diabotical to circumvent the necessity to circle jump. I hope this will be the last Quake because I don't want to know how they will bastardize Q6.>>741214109Go on Discord and Reddit, and ask for other noobs. Play with them until you grasp the basics of a match and then just use matchmaking. That's what I did in 2024. You can still find shitty players around 300-700 points if you're EU or US.>>741215792You're wrong but kinda right. QC has SBMM so matching two noobs isn't difficult. The problem is that Quake has a really high skill ceiling and it's very purely skill based. Even small gaps in skill result in drastic outcomes. So despite a small points difference the loser often feels like they have no chance. Especially because the winner can gain and maintain full control.
>>741226225quake is quake and quake only, not most games
>>741226471It's still a video game that people mainly play to have their dumb needs satisfied and every popular game out there is doing everything they can to hug your brains as hard as they can.Not doing so is just asking your game to be played by the minority who is very passionate about the game but as you can see in Quake's case there isn't that many people who truly care that much.
i played the game and i didnt like itthe ttk is too high and i like overwatch instant acceleration too muchthe netcorde is still bad
>>741225843can you read, nigger? i said it has very little players and i want more people to play IT than QC you fucking tard. jesus christ is it mainly ESL's or are americans just broadly becoming dumber and dumber by the second?
>>741225729Oh, I must have started playing right after they decided against paid mods.Go fuck yourself, you disingenuous nigger.
>>741226912That's what I thought bitch nigga.
>>741224031But it feels like shit to play, because it's still Doom and Doom feels like shit.
>>741227368it doesnt feel like doom but alright. you could just play it and find out but expecting /v/irgins to play games is asking a lot nowadays.
>>741221780my chocolate fever is still strong, we will live one day
>>741221759>it's better because... it's like sooper smash bros!no
>>741227448I have played it. Every Doom port and mod has that slippery Doom feel and jank. Some people like it. I do not.
>>741227448Because it's still not real 3D but some technological autistic spaghetti sprite shooter.
Say what you will about QC but it has the best maps in any MP FPS.
>>741227616>He didn't play Quake 3 with Xenomorph, Johnny Bravo and Invader Zim models
>>741221780we were robbed
quake with super powers is retarded
>>741228019I love Awoken.
>>741221787This. Imagine if every new fighting game got shouted down and boycotted because it wasn't an exact 1 to 1 copy of Street Fighter 2. The genre wouldn't have exploded like it did. Meanwhile Arena FPS players keep their genre in the gutter by refusing to play anything else.
Great game.
>>741228416growing up is realizing CoD is an arena shooter.
>>741221759sounds fun. thanks fot sharing fren, never heard of it
>>741196607I'll check it out
