AI is here to stay
>>741252818None of the games people are actually talking about from the fest are ai, or if they are they're a lot more subtle about it than the obvious slop
>"devs should use modern tools to make games faster and on lower budgets.">"NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT!"
>>741252818>1000 less games I have to buyWow, saving both my wallet and backlog. AI really does have a use!
>>741252818It's more than 10,000 actually, has been for months but steamdb doesn't track more than that figure.
>>741255457why do elven families do this
>>741252818>AI is here to stayJust like pronoun displays. A soul for a soul, I guess. At least AI is way more fun.
>>741252818I. DON'T. CARE.If AI give me what I want from games I couldn't care less how many faggots lose their jobs.
>>741255548you would too
okay but it's fine because steam has a filter for AI
>>741255723>>741255457don't avatarfag with your generic "style" of ai images
>I love progress!>not THAT progress!
>>741252818And that’s a good thingEventually all games, mods and community patches/tools will make heavy use of AI, and we’ll all be better for it.It shouldn’t take nearly 2- years to make the next Elder Scrolls.
>>741255831try and stop me
Games that use AI are higher quality than the games without AI.
>>741255860I hate when that happens.
>>741252818I don't trust devs with ai slop ahortcuts any more than I trust them with procgen or open worlds, but as long as it's disclosed I don't care.
>>741252818More than a thousand have disclosed and the rest are lying because of faggots like this:>>741253545I shan't be disclosing
>>741252818I really hope retards get over this shit soon. As long as the final product looks good, who cares? It's the literal fucking slop people should be rallying against.
>>741252818
>>741258653>>741258602ai is bad, i don't trust it.i'll never buy anything that even looks like it's touched ai. it's all slop.
>>741255776But valve support AI themselves so you still help AI, valve has AI support system now
>>741256260So you'll finally stop playing newer games? Because most if not all will use AI in some form.
>>741252818That's just saying the quiet part out loud as this point. You know damn good and well every big studio is running that shit as heavily as they can and following with minor filtering or touch-up to hide the origins after. We're not that far off from the first official statement that boils down to "Yeah, we're using it, it's too useful not to and everyone does. Deal with it." Also soon, we're going to see fewer and fewer of those declarations, because they won't care if anyone opposes it anymore.
>>741258943>won't care if anyone opposes it anymore.You mean Reddit.
>>741258770This is an attempt to mislead people who don't know OpenAI circa 2018 was a non-profit research focused organization experimenting with AI, A for-profit subsidiary of the non-profit was created in 2019, and then it later underwent a hostile takeover by Sam Altman who turned all of OpenAI solely a for-profit business in 2024.
>>741259623>Gabe supported the old nazis, not the newer nazisThat's what you sound like.
Now are they good games is the question
>>741258770Valves going to support anything that's going to put more games on their platform
>>741252818Is this why this is the shittiest next fest to ever occur?>AI fags unironically defending all this shovelware tier crapReally? You'd rather eat shit than accept that it produces garbage 90% of the time?
>>741258770>even gabe got scammedhow?
AI is happening whether you like it or notI'm not saying this is goodI'm not saying this is badWhat I AM saying, however, is that effective use of AI is an advantage. Corporations an opportunistic indies are more than willing to exploit every advantage they can get their mitts on.Eventually, you will stop giving a shit about AI because its use is so prolific that you can't play anything new that doesn't at least use some kind of AIThat being said, I do agree that this will ultimately result into more games being more samey because incestuous use of AI stifles creativity as it only has the capability to remix the stuff that humans already created.At the same time, that's really no different from 90% of the shitty UE5 slop we're already suffering through.
What is wrong with using AI as a tool. I get not wanting something completely AI generated but people are even losing their minds about a dev using placeholders that get replaced before launch.
>>741255548Only half elven race traitors do this when their human pet expires.
I've seen the ai apocalypse in the porn game space. I hate it because I generally find ai art boring. Partially because each image is generated independant from other images, which can mess with continuity. But what's worse, ai assets or free stock assets used across multiple games? I don't really know
>>741260293it's a bunch of troons seething over their dogshit skills being replaced by AI gen.
>>741260293it's just the latest NPC programming. No thought, just "AI BAD"
Should I disclose that my game used AI if I had gemini create some formulas for some trajectories that I could not remember fuckall how to do?
>>741252818And I'm gonna buy none of them.
>>741252818It's almost like the AI disclosure is a pointless waste of text now. Who would've seen that coming?
>>741260293its an unimaginative tool for the unimaginative. Its fine if its a placeholder for something that WILL be replaced but its just lazy, ugly dogshit that has no place in a video game, even if its a fucking bush texture. Do a LITTLE goddamn work please.
>>741252818The future of video games is helping Elara defeat Elias Thorne, forever.
>>741260434why would you willingly partake in an humilliation ritual so troons can shit all over you no matter what?
>>741260434of course, along with credits for all of the mathematical resources the AI was trained on to help you solve that problem
>>741255776where
>>741260482An AI game has more work put into it than any work you've done with your life
>>741260239Hes a scammer himself, he scammed people out of owning games and their fans defend it
>>741260257>Eventually, you will stop giving a shit about AI because its use is so prolificYou underestimate my autism. Apple wouldn't repair my ipod for free and I swore off ever using their products. That was like almost 20 years ago.
>>741260547i made it up
>>741260293As a tool it tends to have less people yelling about it>>741260434Pretty sure the disclosure is for generative art and the like so it wouldn't need disclosure
>>741255548That’s why Japs birth rate is so low and men have awkward interactions with women when they grow up
>>741260482>even if its a fucking bush textureand its thanks to retards like you that no one cares about the use of AI anymore except other retards, so good job
>>741258770Why OpenAI (or any AI corporation) though and not focusing on local models. Wasn't he the linux guy?
>>7412602392018 OpenAI was very different compared to what it is today
>>741260390You are?
>>741260507It's looking bright AIbros, it's looking bright
>>741252818Okay, I won't buy those games.
>shovelware slop uses AI art
>>741253180Yes, not like that.
>>741260694FUckign die fashpig AI WILL MAKE ME A WOMAN
More and more tools are going to incorporate a little bit of AI into it so by definition every single game in the future will be using AI of some sort. I don't think people realize stuff like the removal tool in photoshop is also a very weak form of AI
>>741252818How many of those games will even make back their Steam listing fee?
>>741260482>even if its a fucking bush textureYou're that weirdo who reads the books in Skyrim, aren't you?
AI is here to stay because eventually you will be unable to tell if gen AI was used or not.
>>741258602>I'm entitled to your engagement and money, how dare you have preferences!I bet your output is garbage and people will avoid it whether they know it's AI or not.
>>741260798Just like it's impossible to tell you're a man, right?
Ai made thisLibtroon lost
>>741253180Hypothetically you are right but most of these are just lazy garbage no one wants to play.Indians and Slavs who’s get rich quick strategy is have AI make a game and then somehow get millions of sales on steam because AI is so smart.Multiply that by tens of thousands and you have the current landscape.
>>741260640No it isn't. The guy in charge was a shady and greedy jew then and now. The only difference is that most people understand what that means now.
>>741260798I disagree. I think we're just going to move more and more to a trust economy for shit like this. Getting "caught" using genai in projects is already treated like a scandal; I can only see it getting worse.
>>741258672AI is so great they need to trick people into using it
>>741260623No hes the yacht guy, he cares about money
>>741252818Could you retards please stop doing the fucking bracket things already you've been doing this for fucking years now.
>>741252818I don't care as long as the game is good.
>>741252818>[TERRIFYING NEWS]>AI is here to stay Not "terrifying" to me. It's been useful for me and will continue to be moving forward.
>>741260918No one even knew what OpenAI was in 2018
>>741258772>allImagine being this deluded.
>>741260881Ok then make something good with it people want to buy>>741258672If AI content is so great why is disclosing it a problem?
>>741258602Im not paying money for AI.
>>741259769You sound like a retard.
>>741261023Even using google or youtube today makes you a contributor to AI. You're part of the problem.
>>741258943>pure coping speculationThey'll care if people don't buy their garbage
>>741260790That type of stuff makes sense for AI, hard to be upset if you use it to make any of these steps more useful and less cleanup work sounds great to me.A lot of these tools already have stuff you would call "weak AI" and using AI to make them more usable is a win in productivity and isn't made to outright kill their job.
>>741260562I own my games on steam far more than I ever did on any console.
>>741260924lmao, you really think people give a fuck how their game is developed if they enjoy it?
>>741260293In theory artists would touch it up but how much are you seeing that now? Its either 100% untouched AI or regular art.
>>741261118AIjeets don't play video games
>>741260550Elons not gonna put you in the will you fucking mong, holy shit how fucking retarded can you get.
>>741261076AI has some valid uses. Generating slop to sell isn't one of them
>>741261016retard
>>741261118Well considering I can only view the world through my own experience and what I see, yes.
>>741261027>>741260940>jeet reading comprehensionThe point is that if a game is good even with AI no one will care and the only main issue in this case is retards whining for no reason. And if a game is obviously slop then it's clearly AI so it doesn't need a disclosure since every can see it. Should I explain the ABCs too?
>>741261118I would like to know if my games were developed by a Japanese man, yes.
>>741260605>>741260550>>741260797Your lazy faggot games arent making you any money dipshits, time to actually put some effort into your life
>>741252818>more than a thousand You have any idea how many games get released on steam daily?
>>741261118that's a pretty big fucking if
>>741261184Explain how anyone knew about OpenAI when their first LLM model was literally just some jank that barely made comprehensible text and could be run in Colab
>>741252818Anyone found any good games to try this next fest? Shit looked dire when I had a scroll through it last night
>>741255628That's because you don't have a soul. The work is more important than the result.
>>741261197If the game is good with AI and no one cares then why aren’t they selling? Where is the big AI masterpiece hit already?
>>741261195>>741261253People dont care, ask a normie if they know who the fuck made gta and if they know about 'rockstar'. you'll get blank stares from most.
>>741255831He's ripping off the Final Fantasy Tactics style
>>741261217Jeets can't understand why their AI slop is ugly and feel attacked.
>>741261290Crimson DesertClair Obscur Expedition 33Baldur's Gate 3
>>741258602Don't worry, we can tell
>lazy parasites want to put in zero work and get paid for itlmaoThis is the sort of person AI attracts. They're probably deluding themselves about the quality of their "work" anyway.You need competence and sensibility to make something good, which are both things these people reject
>>741253180It's never actually going to be faster and on a lower budget though.
>>741261290No tech breakthroughs have happened with AI despite it being mainstream for 5 years. Its always AI will make AI better. Not "new innovation" that was created with AI.
>>741261341AI made these so where’s your E33 then, you have AI tools right?
>>741258770Why such a specific number?>>741259769
>>741261360Agreed.We need to bring back diverse games with diverse people. That's where all the sensibility people are.
>>741261197If nobody will care, why do you need to hide it, coward?
>>741261360No one cares racist polturd
>>741261360They want to get paid 300 dollars for the same effort it took me to write this comment.
>>741261465Wanna know how I know you're indian?
>>741261416ESL retard. What the fuck is that sentence? Ask ChatGPT to write a proper response to me.
>>741261437What do leftoids love?BrownsWhat do browns love?AIYou're retarded.
>>741261341>E33placeholder posters that got replaced>BG3you're making shit up againlmao>Crimson DesertGenuinely don't know with this one, but it's a flash in the pan and already forgotten
>>741261516It really do be like that.
>>741261416>you have AI tools right?I don't
>>741261407no technology is worth a damn thing for the vidya industry if it doesn't have gameplay implications for it. no one has made a game that has you talking to NPCs that are responsive or anything.It's just a shortcut machine for lazy devs to get bad games made faster, no one fucking cares how quickly you can shit out a log, make good games first and maybe people will care.too many people are treating it like a goldrush and are predictably not making profit. They're desperate for the tech to be normalized enough to justify their investment into the garbage machine.
>>741261504I"m not bitch
>>741261437>false dichotomyAlways with the same obvious tactics, lol Fuck woke DEIFuck AI
>>741260763YOU. ARE. A. GOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>741261516why would jeets be pro-ai? they make tons of money from western studios outsourcing to them, it makes more sense for them to be anti-ai.
>>741261623I'm literally jewish though?
>>741261465>racist polturdAnd don't you forget it, subhuman
Claude fable 5 can make entire games now.
>>741261616>>741261360What games do you want then?
>>741261516I reject bothWell I'm anti AI but not from a faggot leftist perspective
>>741261616Anti-AI is literally woke ideology
>>741261709Good non-political games made by competent humans.
>>741261612Kek
>>741261628>receive outsourcing money>squeeze out a turd made with AI>get paid in full for literally zero workthis business plan literally only works if the people paying you are retards that only think cost and speed matter, which most corporate suits are.
>>741261715Nope. Anti-AI is bipartisan.
People who seethe over AI are like the college students who quietly used it to coast through all their classes, but booed graduation speakers for talking about it because they realized going to college was worthless and nobody is going to hire them
>>741261628No? India is high IQ countryso it would make the moist sense for them to use AI the most
>>741261628Because the street niggers can't actually produce anything they promise. AI helps them keep the lie going. Just look at this street shitting chimp here, >>741261704can't even write a cohesive sentence. You think his kind can actually code?
>>741261837>had to rewrite your retarded postThat's kind of sad desu
>>741261829I'm glad this is just bait, imagine if someone actually thought this.
>>741261762>competent humans.What kind of '''humans''' are we speaking here. Don't be shy, tell.
>>741261837>make the moist SAAAAR
>>741261837>India is high IQ country>so it would make the moist senseI'm sure jeets are very pro AI, but this post is hilarious
>>741252818And my money will stay in my wallet. Nice.
>>741261882I do think the sign of a low-IQ person is someone unable to distinguish satire from a genuine post. As you can see, that anon you responded to reposted his "jeet" message to be "funnier" or something. Which is already pathetic. But the fact that you believe him makes you even more pathetic than him.
>>741261935The competent onesThat excludes most leftists I suppose, but probably not all of them. Maybe.
>>741261695But when can i do that without spending $50 a prompt
>>741261921People are using ai when it benefits them and seething over it when it doesn't. No nuance, just stupidity.
>>741261794that makes zero fucking sense, the whole point of gen ai is to do away with outsourcing.
>>741262004Uhuh
>>741262009Why are you so afraid to say what '''humans''' you want working on games, anon-kun? You know this is 4chan, you won't get banned for stating your opinion here.
>>741262064Thanks chatgpt
>>741262004>>741261837this is the same fucking person lmao
don't mind me, just playing the best + most downloaded game of the steam fest
>>741262116You're welcome, faglord.
>>741261695Cool, where are they?
>>741252818>A pile of shovelware trash shows up>AI IS HERE TO STAYJust because people make it doesn't mean anyone is gonna buy it.
>>741260257NopeI have an insane backlog and tons of games available to me now. If only playing games predating 2022 is what it takes that's what my hobby will be.Eat my cock
>>741262249if 10 people buy it, it pays for itself. if 20 people buy it you just made a third worlders entire yearly salary
>>741258602Not paying for AI. Picrel is masterpiece
>>741261837saar...
>>741262249AI will probably evolve into something useful after the hype wave is dead just like 3D printing has Still no one wants to buy the lazy crap you 3D printed using an online pattern just like no one wants to play your lazy AI game Eventually these people will be filtered naturally because the fees for posting these games and prompting them will not be worth the lack of sales.
>>741262314Enjoy GTA6 :)
>>741258602nothing on the left looks even remotely visually appealing compared to the right.
>>741262341I can't believe we use to make fun of such soulful art. We need to be better men.
>>741258602>Cherry picked results by some autist>AI still looks like shitlol
Do people care about AI being used in game development for programming or only for art assets?
I genuinely do not give a shit if a game uses AI everywhere. If it's good then I'll play it. Most devs have no idea how to make a good game and AI isn't going to change that.
>>741261104Sure you do lil bro
>>741259623>Sam Altman>Altmanevery single time
>>741252818It wouldn’t even make enough to justify itself if everyone loved it, the ruling class is just mad even idiots aren’t falling for it.
>>741262624If I can't mod a game, I don't own it, that simple.
>>741262447I’m not going to give any money for this or AI art
>>741262552Mostly for art assets
>>741262567The only games I've seen use AI are wokeflops
>game uses AI>sells extremely well anyway>/v/troons and xitter troons continue to ignore reality to screech about their woke idealsAI won
The biggest problem with AI is it makes low effort spam easier.Games being hypothetically made using some AI is not the issue, it’s the billion thirdies and lazy idiots who fill the catalogue with garbage that I need to sift through.
>>741262752SAAAAARRRR
>>741262762Just train an AI to identify sloppiness and have it classify games.
>>741262220That's not Iron Nest
>>741262752Ok where is this game?
>>741262850Why? It’s cheaper and more efficient to not do that.
>>741262731You don't even play videogames.
>>741262552If your UI looks like slop, the whole game is slop. If your code is slop, no one can tell that your game is slop. (But we'll both know it is, okay?)
>>741262919>posts tranime slop
>>741262918Wrong
>>741262918You play AI games?
>>741252818Sounds like AI can't even compete with asset flip numbers
>>741262852Expedition 33Arc RaidersCrimson DesertProbably like half the games released in 2026 that you dont even realize
>>741263021I play good video games. I don't care if they used ai.
I guess that's over a thousand games I'm never going to play.
>>741263094But anon. It's so completely and totally clear that they opened ChatGPT and asked it "make me a turn based RPG French fantasy game" and it made E33. I would have done exactly but I have too much respect for the art and craft of the game that I chose not to.
>>741262552I don't care if people use AI to code ~~IF~~ BIG IF they understand the code themselves and will look at it and go "huh, that doesn't work, thats going to lag the game lets fix that". I do't liek AI code because "it just workz" too often and then you ship your game with a memory leak.
>>741263021I prefer AI playing games.
>>741263235What's the last game you even played?
Reminds me of Knights of the Chalice 2 where they replaced all the artwork with this awful AI art for some reason.
>>741263226What’s the best AI game you’ve played? It you play only good games and AI makes good games there should be loads of them.
>>741263401E33
>>741263401Touhou Kinjoukyou ~ Fossilized Wonders.
>>741263319Neo Turf Masters yesterday.
>>741258602>soulless slop made by schizophrenic machines GOOD>soulless slop made by humans BADEvery day I slowly adopt more of the free mason mindset. The goyim have gone insane.
>>741262447Man your taste is shit and gross. I ain't paying for people with such shit taste.
>>741263531>>741263476>some texturesUnironically good use of AI, replacing tedious and repetitive tasks.While there is hostility about it right now due to the AI frenzy, I think this is probably an acceptable future use.The biggest issue on the other hand is AI pollution. It’s like giving every Indian a machine that spits out litter infinitely.This issue was already bad before AI with tons of shitty copy paste games with store assets and messy spaghetticode, now it’s even worse simply because making shovelware is easier.
>>741263303Lets say hypothetically the AI is for all intents and purposes a perfect programmer that always produces correct and efficient code as per the dev's specifications, so the issue isn't about quality. I just find it interesting that we value art being made by a human for the effort and "soul" that it represents, but not so much when it comes to the creation of code. I get why, code is essentially invisible for the consumer, but should it be valued more?
>>741252818AI is currently hemorrhaging money and will be useless once the bill comes due
>>741252818Are you sure though? Civitai's having their main GPU supplier pull out on them and went back to mining with just 48 hours notice. You know things are fucked when the shovel sellers are shifting back to selling whatever the fuck they were selling before that.
Probably 90% of gamedev nowadays uses AI in some form, not the obvious ones like art, music, or texture, but you know they'll be using it for stuff like test harness, class fixtures, refactors and prototyping, simulations for balancing, code around object plumbing, and more.
>>741263784Checking out gameplay footage, It looks like shovelware
>>741263839>he thinks AI will go away if AI companies go out of businessSometimes I forget there are literal retards here and not just le ironic retards.
>>741258653>As long as the final product looks goodwell, so far it doesn'tits just more trash
AI should replace photobashing, i.e., the amalgamation art you use to sell a publisher on your idea.>>741263765This too, but again, it should be placeholder. For testing. AI assets should under no circumstances in the final product that customers see and experience.
>>741263945nigger can you even read
>>741261197desu I don't care how it look, I just don't want it
>>741263990AI assets will be used because you won't notice it under the large scale workflow anyway. Why do people think a piece of texture or model or whatever only goes through one pass when creating?
>>741263990I’ve played Spiderweb software games for years so I don’t mind stuff being done on the cheap with a tiny team, but most AI stuff isn’t that, it’s just either a straight up lie in promotional material or just broken garbage.
>>741264062So you're just a whiny wokie. Got it.
>>741263853The funny bit about Civitai is I see no way in hell their business will ever make any sense. Payment processors hate NSFW content, and Civitai's only primary use is for gooning. And AI itself is a very cost heavy operation. You have to like host the user's generated content (which is like, a lot), and then you have to host the models (SDXL models are like 6GB each, Anima,Flux,Qwen models are like 12GB each). Then you also have to burn a lot of compute on generations. And your primary source of income are people buying Buzz, or maybe ads (yeah good luck sustaining an AI business on ads lmao you're not a manga site). And you have to sustain all the free users sucking on the daily teats of buzz dripfeed. Whenever they change anything with their pricing or buzz consumption people will rebel against them. I honestly dont think this business will survive lmfao. At least Pixai is smart enough to hide every single NSFW gens from being accessible to the public.
>>741263945Sure you can run opensource models at home, but the upfront hardware investment to do so if you want any kind of heavy production out of them is far higher than what you pay for corporate models right now.
>>741263350damn they usin that 2022 model lmao
>>741264180If you're wasting money on large corporate models then I'm sure you can invest some money into buying a good GPU that can run 90% of the viable local models. Gemma 4 is good enough for any coding tasks nowadays if you actually know how to code.
Retro Space is p. decent.
>>741255860i dont mind the china bots cus they remind me of beets
>>741264273Look up how much a “good” GPU is, and no you win’t be doing anything serious on 1 GPU.
>>741264121you are bitchy beggar, you are not entitled to somebody else money or attention
>>741264321Sorry you're just retarded
>>741264371Silence, brown.
>>741258602Brown thirdie mentality.>I must consooooom give me content now!
The only reason to not disclose using AI is thirdie devs who want to hide that they used AI for literally everything.Yea wow I really will buy your walking simulator about Krishna in a cyberpunk city now.
>>741264378I use AI when I’m paid to.At home, unironically it’s cheaper and faster to do most things without AI because I’m involved in the process from step 1 and have less to re-check
>>741261628>why scammers would be for scamming tool?mystery
>>741263772as a BA comp sci and 10,000+ hours in art guy I can tell you there is a big difference between in AI doing something that humans want to do and doing something that humans don't want to do. I have not met a single software dev that isn't vibe coding whenever he can so he can spend more time doing what he wants. An artist doesn't want to offload art, he wants his day job to get off loaded so he can draw. People who use AI art do so because they want the attention from art but not to actually make art. A dev isnt doing it for attention, he uses it because no one wants to code. In my life I have maybe seen 4 instances where someones code could be called "art".
>>741263945>Sometimes I forget there are literal retards here>SometimesThat the majority. You always had them, but ever since the good/fun anons left prior to and during the sharty hack, all /v/ has left are mostly idiots like the one you're talking about. It's unfortunate, but that's the reality of /v/.
>>741264546>People who use AI art do so because they want the attention from art but not to actually make art.I don't know why you believe this. No one pays attention to "artists" unless they really stand out. Look at novelists. Thousands of authors and no one gives a shit about any of them except like, Stephen King or something. It's why "artists" hate AI because they think they'll be noticed even less because anyone can produce their own stuff now. The ones I see making AI content seriously are actually artists in one field using AI to cover the other fields that could get their work noticed, which are usually images or videos.
AI Jeets are like these bozos who go to every faire and try to sell the exact same 3D printed garbage like these dragons.There is a very limited supply of clueless grandmas and little kids who will buy these, and yet 90% of the venders are just selling this stuff. Most of them end up making no money and losing out anyway from the print costs
>>741258672>is he so pretty you can't tell he's not a girl?>then great, he's a girltroons have been trying that for 3 decades anondidn't work for themdoesn't work for ai slop peddlers
I'm an 'everything burns' type of goy anyway .
>>741264847it works unless you're ideologically opposed which most people aren't.
>>741264424Yes, be silent.
>>741264970>took several minutes to make a "no u" responseLiteral brown behavior kek
>>741252818honestly based, i'm sick of good game concept execution being restricted to social addicts with artist friends because these people are usually the most retarded. autistic people with zero friends who are obsessed with games need more power
>>741264990Yes, I can tell that you are brown, mr trans artist.
You ever notice how angry those anti-AI jeets become when you accuse them of being brown?
>>741252818AI is here to stay because the whole point is to cull the goyim.
>>741252818>AI is here to stayObviously. People will cope until they're blue in the face, but they'll cave.
>>741261465What are ai-fags going to do when all the data centers collapse or better yet they run out of content to feed off of. Recursive ai data poisons the available trey of shit after all to make it even worse.
>>741264780But it's true though. Even vibe coders are just normies larping as programmers and the tweeting their 12000 line of codes a day with their "agentic engineering"
>>741265263Not like it matters anyway. We're in the transition phase of the technology. People won't be impressed by just doing one thing really good anymore but how you utilize things like AI to make a bigger project that stands out and has actual value. There's still going to be traditional artists doing it for the novelty, like oil painters painting people's portraits on sidewalks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_57ed0yvDecIf this vidya is to be believe it seems like a lot of "AI apps" is not actually getting engagement, why would these games have any?
>>741264998>muh ideasIm a Youtuber and I get “ideas guys” sending me their AI games all the time.They are always trash, like the guy has no clue about game design and just a vague “cool concept” barely stretched into a working game
>>741265225Some creative people would be able to host the AI tools themselves but usually some of these people are creative enough to able to make something out of anything given to them. I hope when these datacenter projects collapse we'll get much less low effort slop on the web. The attention economy is already shit as it is even before the flood of slop.
>>741252818Using AI is transphobic
>>741265117Its easier to notice when brown trans artist chicken out and shit their pants.Cry more.
>>741265456>>741265052>transBrown and a tourist. Please move your larping back to /r/India.
>>741265426LLMs and neural networks amplifies the dunning-kruger effects.And it will work on you too after you've tried it! There's no escaping!
Even AI won't make up for the lack of basic human competence. Not everyone should be making games, AI or not. Next Fest is a great example, seeing all the people who use basic-bitch ChatGPT capsules to promote their game.
>>741265505Nah. I don't want to meet you or your inbreed cousins. Try to catch some trains.
>>741262114I'm not afraid to say it and I don't know what you want me to say. Competent humans (not AI) that aren't using games for activism. I want to play games by those people.
>>741265613I don’t want to use it exactly because I know it will make me lazy and prevent me from growing my own skills.
>the brown is seething so hard he is becoming incomprehensibleI think ChatGPT would help you translate your posts from Hindi.
>>741262552I don't care as much when it comes to code, but I'd still prefer it be done by a human I guess.
Why do aifags try to shame you into liking their shit. It's obvious to everyone that there is a diminishing return on investment there when it comes to how appealing their characters can be, which is to say they look extremely glossy as if it was like a worse version of cutesexyrobuttz stuff
>>741252818Steam filter can't come soon enough
>>741262918Seen a lot of morons say this lately. Desperate to invalidate opinions they don't like.
>>741252818>use AI slop to make games faster, easier and to save money>in the game games still take years to be made, cost a lot of money, a lot of people get fired, are broken at launch and the prices of games stay the samea scam just like 90% of things in this shithole World
>>741252818Cool, now please stop thirdies from using it to flood every digital storefront with simulator slop.
>>741263094It's amazing how you faggots keep trying to claim E33 over a couple of posters that got deleted.>probablylmao
>>741265798nobody is forcing you to like it retard but your fucking anti-ai yapping is obnoxious.
>>741263350Why the fuck would they even do that
>>741260257Aria spotted!
>>741263476Not an AI game faggot
>>741263870>Gets a computer to do all the work>Still looks like complete garbagelmao
>>741264121>pleeeaaaaase give me money for doing absolutely nothing
>>741264998why don't you just make your own art for it
>>741252818Literally all that matters is>is the game good?
i'm willing to bet that 90% are porn gamesthe rest goes into the ignore list.
>>741264076Here is a texture from Dark Souls 2 that made it into release. People noticed the beer label pretty damn quick, so much so that this is only in the vanilla version. People also datamine like hell and will be able to run assets through AI detectors. People absolutely will notice.
>>741265907lmao ai fags pitch a fit when you tell them nobody cares about their slop
>>741258602AI could never
>>741265941Idk, the original art was not amazing but it was way better than this shit and actually a consistent theme across the game>>741266038I can forgive a game looking like garbage, reusing assets, even using store assets, but it has to be worth it besides all that and be fun to play.All the Spiderweb software games are basically this.Every AI game is either just a mess because the prompter has no clue about how to actually do things like level design this can’t tell the AI what to do, or it’s like the worst kind of generic mobile game you’ve ever seen.
>>741265907Then stop try to shove ai crap into everything, label your stuff properly and keep to your designated shitting zones.
>>741266174These 'people' think that the only thing keeping them from becoming an overnight millionaire is the ability to make a product. They don't once think if there is demand for what they slop up.
>>741262919One of my ewallet app latest update has its UI turned all glossy pink/purple gradient. The ones that are common among Claude slopped apps. The only way to know is if you ever used Claude for vibe coding a webpage it'll always use this gradient purple tinge and now I'm thinking damn I sure hope there's no security risk later on so to be safe it's better to just unlink my bank account and credit card from that app
>>741266242I just have instinctive dislike of all these ai style and models. Its like allergy(if having good taste can be named that) to ai crap. I see one of these abused ai models - I lose all interest in the product. Not gonna buy it, not gonna pirate it, gonna ignore it.
Here’s your AI game bro>b-but my ideas! Ideas are the currency of the future!Not your ideas
>>741266249this is like telling people not to use UE5, there's nothing being 'shoved' when it's an essential part of the workflow for some.
>>741266304Someone mentioned the amount of app that got released on appstore increases exponentially but the amount of reviews also decreases. Yeah, the amount of meditation and 'productivity' apps increases but nobody need another freaking meditation app!
It's all very shrimple.AI = no buy.
>>741266324I work in Amazon FC and I can see hundreds of these new Ai postcards, gift cards and puzzles with these shitty generated pictures, pure slop with off putting colours. Dunno who even pay for that.
>>741252818>More than a thousand slop games that nobody was going to buy anyways
>>741262380See, that's a sensible take. We can't have that.
>>741266364Not interested in your LARP, tranny
>>741266372no, people using UE5 are actual artists, not prooompt """engineers"""
>>741266380And it's so bad nowadays that these apps just straight up try to upcharge you on a trial as you open them. My nigga I haven't even managed to try your app you fucking twat and now you're shoving subscriptions down my throat! Immediate uninstall with a 1 star review.
>>741266338Especially when it comes out looking awful like this, with obvious errors on your game’s first splash screen
>>741266372Not my problem. Label it and keep crap in designated places.
>>741262380This is what'll happen after the cheap subsidized AIslop finally run its course. And there won't really be any AIfags at that time since they only like being contrarian.
i support AI because my right leaning reactionary propaganda grifter programming demands that i do
>>741266462Literarily paint stick man picture would be better
>>741266452>>741266470you retards really think that people tell claude to 'make me an action game' and claude just shits out a completed game, huh? you fags dont know anything about gamedev lmao.
>play world of tanks heat>enjoy it a lot>realize all of the characters in it are voiced by AI>keep enjoying it
>>741258602>AISterile uniformity, unremarkable>HumanExquisite in its awfulness, stimulates discussion.
>>741266538you really think that people with actual experience and knowledge won't be able to use AI better? It's just another search engine at the end of the day
The simple truth is, people who are willing to offload a creative process onto AI, and can't see why its output sucks, are completely incapable of making a good game.They can't make a game that looks good, because they don't even have enough artistic sense to assess and assemble the AI's output.They also can't make a game that plays well, because they are lacking whatever gene allows people to identify quality.They can make something "cool", using one of their silly little ideas that everyone else has already had, but they can't make something good.Effort, and the willingness to exert it, is part of the alchemical process that makes a good work.
>>741266538>you don't get it bro I had to reroll my prompt 6 gorillion times and spend a year's salary on claude credits!!!
>>741266163Are you implying they used AI in 2014 or what? And obsessed autists staring at every little pixel isn't normal people.
>>741266538Again. Not my problem. Label your product correctly. Stay in your designated place. Do not cry persecution and do not play victim when you behave like a nigger.
>>741266508Also the costs will catch up and it won’t be possible to shit out thousands of lazy works anymore.Even the AI printing glut is dying, because the Chinese print shops that pump out a million generic dragons aren’t making money to justify it anymore.Even in this situation, the one who makes the most money is the equipment and print material manufacturers. The Chinese shop then makes a little bit selling dragons to wouldbe “artisans” in the west who then resell them at conventions and faires and make nothing.It’s identical with AI except steam Takes a cut from all those listing fees for every AI jeet who will only lose money posting their games.
How did leftists become such reactionary luddites?Didn't trannies crave for cyberpunk?AI is the true progressivism.
>>741266671Why does this have a yellow filter over it?
>>741266671Funny thing, every one of them was correct.
>>741266671It's the satanic panic of our time. Which is ironic when leftists laugh and make fun of that period.
>>741266671>monsters inc>1995unk cmon
>>741266462It takes the mind of an artist to properly judge and implement art, and people with the mind of an artist prefer to make things themselves. They'll play around with AI as a novelty but they won't use it for their projects, because they have self respect and they understand the importance of process and technique.
>>741262380This is a very good comparison actually. Thanks anon.
>>741266726No one's stopping you from carving stick figures on rocks.
>>741258602Left is just bastardised patchworks of things that humans made, that look wrong and soulless.Right is just made by fucking retards, except bottom left which shows promise."Somebody else made this awful thing" doesn't make YOUR awful thing good, anon.
>>741266815And? That is your best resort?
>>741266662It's an example of a big game making an oversight despite multiple passes, it decidedly NOT going under the radar, and this coming from a time people weren't looking for it nearly as hard. AI making things fake and gay has people scrutinizing things much more than they did before. Slop WILL be detected eventually and it WILL tarnish reputation when it is.
>>741266884I'm still building my new resort actually
>>741266671Not all technology is good or even particularly useful.
>>741266915Thanks for admitting that I am right.
>>741266671>still trying to push the idea that it's just a toollmao you're just begging the computer to do the work for youyou're commissioning a picture bro, that's all it is. You're just commissioning someone who doesn't understand anything about art and skipping the part where you have to pay for itlmao
>>741266901There's already been dozens of successful games that was revealed to have AI used in it and very few of them have "tarnished" their reputation. You only tarnish your reputation when you're lazy with the assets, just like before AI.
>>741266671>Monsters Inc>1995Also just make the issue about left vs right and watch people fight amongst themselves because it's the easiest card to pull
>>741266734>still desperate to conflate AI-dislike with leftismwhat's with all the jeet shilling on this subject?
>>741266971Name three then.
>>741266946Actually, you are wrong.
>>741258770Yeah, and?
>>741267008See: >>741261341
>>741267049See>>741261547Plus E33's reputation was tarnished.
>people thinking they can get away with not disclosing AI useEven if people can't spot it (they usually can, since they're smarter than you) the same AI that makes the slop can also be used to determine with fairly good accuracy whether something was made with AI. There goes your reputation and goodwill!Hope the $20 you made for your abominable slop that nobody wants was worth it.
>>741267136Kek no it wasn't. It literally made people cope with "uh well at least they just used it for x"
>>741266671>wtf why aren't lefties sucking off big corpos???huh...
>>741267049E33 is a stretch, it was holdover placeholder art where AI was a minor cog in the overall machine and wasn't meant to make it to production. The other games are sloppa i don't care what some chinese embassy in the netherlands thinks
>>741267287Lmao just proved my point >>741267164And placeholder art still means you're getting influenced by AI. This excuse is still cope.
>>741266512Fuck off leftist, lots of right wingers hate AI too
>>741267164Yes it was. People now know that not only are they an 'Indie' dev, they also know that they're willing to use AI and not disclose it. It doesn't matter how small the use. The trust is broken. I guarantee it would have tanked their award count if it came out before then.
Literally no one cares if devs use ai
>>741267356>trust has been brokenSpeaking like a xitter troon. Opinion immediately discarded.
>>741267345not meant to make it to production is the operative phrase. AI is just another tool a professional can use to make his job easier, it's not going to make people appreciate your sloppa
>>741267365How'd you know?
>>741267149>the same AI that makes the slop can also be used to determine with fairly good accuracy whether something was made with AI.AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA
>>741267351>Fuck off leftist,retard go back to redd*t
>>741267429The artists and designers are being influenced by the AI image's style, composition, details, etc. If you're already making concessions for something like this then you're already losing the argument about using AI in creative projects.
>>741267365>thread full of people telling that they dislike AI >nobody careUnless you mean that nobody care about devs who use ai because they just ignore them
>>741263870It's cool that he disclosed it so I don't want to shit on it too much, but good god what a pile of crapThe computer is doing all the work for you, can't you include some animations? Some font that actually looks decent?Seems like>They can't make a game that looks good, because they don't even have enough artistic sense to assess and assemble the AI's output. >>741266631is true in just about every caseThe exception might be corporate games that can hire an actual competent artist but mandate they use AI, but it's still going to be utter slop because of the suits
>>741267494yeah people are influenced by other artwork all the time. I'm saying that its inclusion into the pipeline isn't a big deal, certainly isn't terrifying
>/v/ is finally coming back around to hating ai and calling sloppers out for using itThe echo chamber rebbit tier hive mind moves in mysterious ways. Fuck any and all use of Al, especially genAI, outside of niche sciences and phd tier research. Just look at all the summerfags trying to defend some dogwater stances. This site is in deep necrosis.
Wokies and AI-Jeets have a lot in common because both throw a fit when I say I don’t want to play or purchase their game.
>>741267345>And placeholder art still means you're getting influenced by AI.Not really relevant with background posters.I wouldn't use AI to brainstorm personally, because yeah it influences you, but getting inspired by it but actually making something yourself is a million times better than using what you generated.
>>741264780Yet all those unnoticed writers are STILL writing. I don't know, some people just don't get why no one wants a machine to throw a Frisbee for their dog and drink their beer and I guess they never will. >"artists" hate AI because they think they'll be noticed even lessArtists, and everyone else, hate AI because everything people like is now poisoned by retards who demand you look at their AI. Artists hate it MORE because they understand the value of creating art yourself and their world is now poisoned with ai. What you are peddling is akin to taking a helicopter up a mountain then trying to pass off that you are a great climber in the mountaineering community. The effort itself is what makes it great. Its why people still pay 50 bucks for a cup someone hand made over a 5$ factory mass produced cup. Everyone is MAD because factory produced cups are flooding the handmade market and pretending its handmade. Who wouldn't be pissed? For YOU its all about CONSUMPTION, you just want to CONSUME to fill that void in your self. Ai does for you what 100 cats do for some batshit widow.
>>741258602The duct taped banana is genuinely more aesthetically appealing - ironically not even that artwork's purpose - than any of the visual noise on the left.
>>741265840>Uses AI to 'save cost'>Devs goes the path of least resistance and produces slop>Everyone now associate AI = low effort slopHappened with store bought asset. History repeats itself
>>741267598For some reason people think using AI isn't an artform in itself.
>>741267437That's an easily verifiable false positive.Let's see a false negative.
>>741267384>You will eat up the slop without knowing saar, and you will bring the success to our developers!>It is imperative that you not know we use such glorious technology, but it means nothing if you do!Once a dishonest promptjeet, always a dishonest promptjeet. Future sales lost.
>>741267639Dishonest is when you screech about fake concerns over new technology because you are afraid of it.
>>741267482>still desperately trying to make his shitty comic a thingit's not even relevant, lmaoseethe harderleftists and AI bros both get the rope for being absolutely subhuman
>>741267628because it isn't, duh
>>741267675>fake concerns
>>741267575It's more like the shill budget for AI is getting slashed since it's so damn expensive by itself, lol. The designated slopping street thread got banned to /vg/ a while ago, which is probably when the cheques bounced.
>>741267628Is "paying someone to make art for you" an art form in itself? If I get a dude to draw my stupid Sonic OC with a lightsaber, a keyblade and a giant dick does that make me an artist?
>>741267628Yeah, it can be, sure. Just like throwing a ball in the air can be an art. But thats not the problem, if you were proompting among yourselves and clearly labelling your proompts as ai no one would care. No one would care if you sold each other your proompts. But you don't, you know you are taking a massive short cut but still want the adoration of the craft you are aping. You and your like are roid junkies who pretend its natural when asked.
Meh. Who cares about AI? More like artificial retard instead.
>>741267849Why are you speaking to me as if you know what I'm doing? Pick your strawmans better.
>>741267628>LOOK AT THESE MASTERFUL GOOGLE QUERIES I MADElol kill yourself
>>741253180Most of these don't use it as a tool, but as a means to cut corners and release multiple games really fast, all of them shit, hoping that one of them sells. It's even worse than asset flipping desu.
>>741267849This. They try to pass for artists when they are not. Lies, scam and fraud.
I'll never not be pissed that AI has totally poisoned discussion of video game AI or robots.
>>741267997Actually, they are artists.
>>741258602Look how many seething bluesky trannies you pissed off. Well done sir. I encourage other devs not to disclose until Gaben is forced to change his retarded fucking rule.
>>741268157>hey dude can you draw an image of a girl with big tits looking at a moon?>thanks dude>... I am an artist.
>>741268446Correct
>>741260562>Gabe invented DRM, if it weren't for him we would still drive 2 hours to get our games on floppy disks ok retard
>>741258602soulless soul
>>741260482Like spellcheck and antialiasing?
>>741266671This one is unironically so true. 90s anime mogs everything that came after it so hard it isn't even funny. Same with paintings. They look so much more beautiful than pictures ever did.
>>741268761That's what happens when you make some japanese slave work on it for 3 years and drive him to death at 45, yeah
>use AI to make art>"hehe this is so based, artists BTFO">use AI to make my shitposts on /v/>"wtf faggot stop using jeetGPT to post, nigger bot"hmm curious innit, AI for thee but not for mee?
>>741261257>no one knew about them thats how they got millions for freefucking projecting retard
>>741252818meh, 99% of them won't earn a single cent
>>741269760Are you a billionaire angel investor anon?
>>741269636>Anonymous is one personEvery single day with this
>>741265651AI will make all games better just like it can make anyone a good artist, meaning indie games will be less shit.The day that indie games are playable as in they're as good as your average ps1/ps2 game, the day gaming is saved.
>>741266671>left wingers are defending governments that censor freedom of speech and jail political rivals>they also defend proof of IMMENSE fraud>they also hate AI which is the only thing that can save civilizationthey are so fucked up lmao, polar opposite of what they used to be
>>741269941I wish I shared your optimism, anon.
>>741270012I'm shocked they finally got something right too.>save civilizationfucking lol
ask volvo to add a tag for generative AIpicrelated
>>741270012AI has also turned /v/ chuds into whiny little ideological wokies. Really is the funniest way to mindbreak the brown retards in this world.
>>741269941>just like it can make anyone a good artistIt cannot do that.The only way to become a good artist is to learn and practice.
>>741252818who cares?
>>741270295You can learn to practice using AI
>>741270295>to learn and practiceyou're asking the impossible (kek)
>>741261104TrueBut we're talking PCs not consoles
I do appreciate how these AI threads continue to show how unintelligent and low-IQ the average anti-AI troon really is. It's a great tool to humiliate these silly luddites.
>>741270383You can practice prompting, but you're not making art. You are telling the computer to make things for you.
>>741270653Actually I'm practicing coding.
>>741270401>you're asking the impossible (kek)Apparently.I get that it's a lot of work, and maybe people lack confidence and think it's an unachievable goal, but it's not. It's really the only way to become an artist.
>>741270665Cool. It still doesn't make you an artist.
>>741270117It's not optimism it's observation.My art skill without AI:>hate drawing but I can draw a stickman kindaMy art skill with AI:>I can get tens of thousands of followers on social media, there purely to look at artRandom person's ability to make videos pre-AI>can record a selfie that will murder anyone with cringeRandom person's ability to make videos post-AI>I have tens of thousands of orbiters following a cute "girl", a "talented" animator, or very funny video shorts>gets hired for professional work or advertising despite being a hikkineet in a basementor>can't play music, but are now the owner of a music youtube with tens of thousands of follows and many millions of viewsWhat do you think will happen to indie games when AI can automatically just add AAA quality shit to their game at a press of a button?>press button, get useable dialogue fully voiced>press another button, get an infinite amount of decent quality assets in any art style>press another button, get animations for all your charactersSuddenly indie games no longer feel like they're completely soulless pits. Not to mention AI is the only path to real photorealism in games not to mention the thousands of other art styles we've never seen in vidya format.The only argument against this happening is that it can't happen because AI will never progress from this point even though it obviously will. This isn't my opinion or what I want to see, it's what will happen in our lifetimes even if there are no huge breakthroughs in AI. I know this because we've seen tech demos and research papers proving that it's possible. >>741270295It already has and you can learn and practice how to use AI obviously.
>>741270758No the truth is you're lacking a brain.
>>741270631Same, but what can you expect of the same simpletons who scoffed at NFTs and the Metaverse? The future is now.
>>741270246can you explain what you're trying to say?
>>741270827True. Anyone who think NFTs and AI are the same thing really are simpletons.
>>741270773>Everyone can make anything at the press of a button>No longer need to engage with anyone else for anything, everyone can make hyperspecific entertainment solely for themselves>Nobody buys anything
>>741270783Sorry, dude. Telling a computer to draw something for you doesn't make you an artist, even if you provide ideas and specifications.But you can be an artist. You just gotta pick up a pencil and work at it.
>anti-AI troons still seething that their woke propaganda is failing>normies increasingly accepting AI as they're not getting introduced to using it and understanding its depthit's literally over for shartists kek
Based. When can ai replace journalists?
>>741266734No it's not because the satanic panic was binary and it was true, satanic jews were ruining the western countries intentionally.AI has too much nuance to look at it in the same way, it's both good and bad.
>>741271023>not getting introduced*now
>>741252818It’s not going away, it’s too useful.
>>741270773>What do you think will happen to indie games when AI can automatically just add AAA quality shit to their game at a press of a button?Use them wrong, just like they are using AI wrong right now>What do you think will happen to indie games when they get access to the create literally any image machine?
>>741252818>a thousand Steam games are unapologetic slopAt least they're easy to spot now.
>>741253180EndlessTrash.gif
>>741271023>If I mention trannies and wokeness that'll make people love AI!Dude, change the fucking channel. It's been stuck on the Shill Network for too long. It's not working.People can hate trannies and AI at the same time.
>>741270969The vast majority of people are far too stupid to press a button.>>741271073Pictures aren't AAA quality shit and there are lots of indie games that would be decent if they only had a budget that increased the production levels. And that's what AI will do for free.
>>741270969Holy shit, it's literally just the Reason of Musubi.
>>741271023
>>7412587702018 OpenAI made Dota2 bots, brownoid.
>>741271139Keep telling yourself that troon.
it's funny how the braindead luddites are trying to respond to me with their unintelligent drivel. you lost, AI won, sorry.
I'm tired of forced AI hate. Its objectively a useful tool. Just dont play low effort garbage and you'll avoid most of your complaints about AI.
>>741271217I don't need to tell myself that. I hate both and I see other anons express the same sentiment regularly.
>>741271285It's probably the same retard forcing the millennial and zoomer generational war threads.
>>741271181Speak for yourself.
>>741271161>The vast majority of people are far too stupid to press a button.What about the purchase button, retard?
>>741271307we all know that you're a larping faggot
>>741252818Good.AI will make the death of the game industry arrive faster. The more slop comes out, the less money people willing to pay.The less money the industry makes, the less people stay in the industry and less investors willing to flip the bill.Gaming become a niche and only people to really love gaming make and play them.
>>741271349>ignoring what I obviously meantwould you look at that
>>741271285>Its objectively a useful tool.In some ways.But AI generated "art" is garbage, and it's low effort, and charging money for it is ridiculous.Even if it was good, which it certainly isn't, I just will not pay for something that got shit out by an AI. Why would I? I can use AI to make my own stuff for free.I pay for human effort.
These days, whenever the topic of AI comes up, I generally respond to the people discussing it with LLM-generated replies. It seems like a fairly reasonable approach—after all, if AI is supposedly capable of replacing programmers, artists, writers, and other creative or technical professionals, then it should presumably be capable of replacing shitposting as well.From my perspective, if someone is unwilling to invest the time and effort required to develop skills in those respective domains—and instead delegates the task to a machine—it's not immediately obvious why I should be expected to put in any more effort when responding to them.
>>741271359What am I larping as?
>>741271339I was making a good amount on patreon but fell into the lora training trap and people started unsubbing because I took too long. Can't multitask too much ig
>>741271449someone that doesn't have a dick up their ass
>>741271410Based ChatGPT
>>741267628There isn't enough gatekeeping in the AI space so now every lazy fucking jeets and chinks would spam the same thing and larp as an ""artist""
I was just fooling around with AI myself. It's fun to mess around with. I feed it some OCs and gen some fun slop.
yeah just like NFTs are here to stay
>>741271405Sure, I'm a leftist. I need mo' money for dem programs, nigga.My mom uses AI, every app is integrated with AI features now. The redundant part of the pipeline is the ai-bro whose only skill is prompting.
>>741271509I guess you're an expert at sniffing out dicks, anon.
>>741271552Can't control what jeets are posting on social media. However, there aren't any good hubs for people who actually want to use AI seriously that isn't just prompting chatgpt. Civitai fucking sucks and people can upload slop there all day long. Same with any other AI art sites.
>>741252818What if you just lied? What part of a game has to be made with AI to disclose it? If I made some textures using doctored AI bits instead of hiring a jeet to lets say, texture some shitty background shrub, does that count?
>>741271571NFTs weren't appealing to normies and was a vague concept of just "owning" jpegs. AI is being used by normies right now and they're even getting entertained by it. I fear this argument lacks any weight.
>>741271609>Create a machine that can generate infinite slop>Surprised that everything is full of slopHence the problem that, even if people create good things using AI, the easiest way to filter out the slop is to filter the AI.
>>741271723Actually, not really.
>>741271674>What part of a game has to be made with AI to disclose it?Just the assets, you don't have to disclose AI code.>If I made some textures using doctored AI bits instead of hiring a jeet to lets say, texture some shitty background shrub, does that count?Yes.Honestly, even if you hired the jeet you have no way to know if they AI generated the assets either.
>>741271571NFTs failed so that must mean every future tech will fail too. I see
>>741271732Elaborate.
ai has no use outside of pornography and low effort grifting
>>741271873the same person that writes shit like this says others have no imagination
99% of games are total garbage. Talentless people will never make a good game using AI or not. And most of you niggers are dumb as fuck and suck at everything.
>>741271776I said jeet because when I was doing research on who actually does all the bullshit art for games, like the people designing plants or the style of dialogue box, it's done cheaply and by jeets or chinks.I figured that when it comes to artwork, no artist who aspires to make money with their talents wants to 3d model bushes, so this form of corner cutting would be the most accepted. Lets face it, when artists are whining about this they're crying about their cool fantasy Robot OC competing with AI slop, not fighting for the job of creating background assets no one will appreciate.
>>741270773The issue is this doesn’t actually happenThere is no world where you just press a button and a fully complete AAA game is produced like it’s a Startrek holodeck.
>>741271405>leftist discourseYou know USA has no left and their mega nigger current president cant even understand speech.
>>741271339Have you recouped your investment yet?
>>741271570AI really shines more as a toy and less of a tool. The people who make random bullshit for giggles have the right idea. It makes for great shitposting too.
>>741272232>investmentwhat
>>741252818>of some kinddoesn't this include no AI usage? seems a bit click baity tee bee haych
>>741272067>The only argument against this happening is that it can't happen because AI will never progress from this point even though it obviously will. This isn't my opinion or what I want to see, it's what will happen in our lifetimes even if there are no huge breakthroughs in AI. I know this because we've seen tech demos and research papers proving that it's possible.
Lots of artist using ai to code video games. Never disclose shit.Someone uses AI to generate Art and all the failed artists come running out of the shed screaming.Majority of the people I know upset about AI are fucking awful artists. AI passed them 3 years ago.
>>741272063Do you know any artists? Because you'd be surprised.The problem with AI generated 3D models in particular is that they leave the worst part of the process to the artist when it should be backwards.Weight painting and retopology is the exact kind of work that should be relegated to machines, but it's being done the other way around.
>>741272545Hello, sarr. I'm going to request you read the Steamworks terms of service documentation before posting, sarr.You will find that AI generated programming code sarr is not required for disclosure, sarr.You are being retarder, sarr. -50 izzat.
>>741271609Whenever I go on Civitai looking at whatever the examples some people tried making with some loras I found interesting, and yet the gens are just the same patreon coomer slop. AI should be gatekept away from fags who have no creativity in making something new.
>>741272719*tips fedora*
>>741260239>Implying Gabe didn't know the potential applicationsRemember when that random Google engineer or scientist claimed that the company had an advanced AI indistinguishable from human in tests? No not the 2022 Lemoine one, there was something circling online like early '10s. Funnily enough Google search won't show it anymore, with all results pointing to the Lemoine "whistleblow". Speculatively, if they built something really powerful way back then and realized what it can do, Google wouldn't be giving it away to the public for free. We'd be drip fed limited models, faking a "digital evolution over time" while in the background military and corporate contractors would continue working with whatever they have hidden in the basement, steps ahead of your average Joe feeling clever coz they hooked up a porn generator locally. That's why every social, including here, is filled to the brim with shills and "aichads" - the corporate systems are so deeply embedded with ai already that any major shift against it would cost them trillions. So, what's a few hundred bucks a head for an army of shills to keep harassing anyone who doesn't swallow it up and says "Thank you, may I please have some more?">TL;DR:>Pepperidge Farm remembers
>>741258672Why do slopfags hate admitting they put slop in their games?Surely if it's not a big deal, you can disclose it on the store page.
>>741270773>What do you think will happen to indie games when AI can automatically just add AAA quality shit to their game at a press of a button?I won't be impressed by it because it took no effort, ie it has no value to me and millions of others who dislike AI.>Suddenly indie games no longer feel like they're completely soulless pits.The crushing majority of indie games don't have this problem>Not to mention AI is the only path to real photorealismI don't want photorealism>Not to mention the thousands of other art styles we've never seen in vidya formatIf not done by humans we go back to issue 1, ie they're not impressive in the slightest.Not to mention how this would be little more than novelty, the choice of an artstyle doesn't boils down to good looks alone.No one should have things they dont deserve, and i'm not talking about AIIf you don't have the skill to do something you shouldn't be rewarded for it, that would undermine the very concept of effort and commitmentIf we follow that path AI can only lead to the destruction of the human spirit
>>741272987I remember that, iirc it was in 2019 and the guy was retarded. And so are you for your schizo delusions.
>>741258602>I shan't be disclosingThen I'm just gonna assume that if it looks like slop, it's slop.>but what about all the stuff that's not slop but looks like it!Sucks to suck.
>>741273143>I won't be impressed by it because it took no effort, ie it has no value to me and millions of others who dislike AI.You're as irrelevant as the trannies praising wokeslop. >The crushing majority of indie games don't have this problemAnd you like indieshit? Stopped reading here.
>>741272987>waaaah I am le victim! aichads are bullying us minorities :(very troon-like behavior
>>741272987>get memed by a corporate stunt to bump up stocks>turn into a full blown schizo
>>741258602The pics on the left can be generated endlessly and thus have zero value. That's what you cultists can't understand, something that can be endlessly made and remade for zero effort just levels down what possible value it can have, a good idea remade 10+ times just becomes the norm and stop producing anything worthwhile.What happens is that we have a sea of shit of effortlessly produced slop costing too much of the audience energy to even evaluate or engage with.We tend to speak about saturated genres, but this shit is everyting saturated all at once. Even if you had a one in billion game concept, if ot's wrapped in slop, why should I give it my attention, why should I engage with it? How many hours/minutes before the first talentless hack hop on it to make copies of copies and just killing any interest I could have in the original. We truly live in terrible times, and I can't wait for people to move on if they can, and if we are stuck with this shit, I can only see the entire media dying from a painful death.
>>741272987Ehh All these AI stuff are so far LLMs and diffusion models/neural networks where what you train it with is the result you get aka it's a pattern recognizing/replicating machine. Sure it'll have it's usefulness in certain applications but this thingy is no AI like what the media is hyping it up to be.
>>741273510>The pics on the left can be generated endlessly and thus have zero valueyou can say the same about the shit on the right, what a fucking retard you are invalidating your post from the get-go with zero logical thought.
If you're selling a game an AI made, then surely you have no problem with me paying in money an AI made. Here you go.
>>741270773Normies don't give a shit about making AI videos.There's a reason that Sora, the most normie-oriented, user friendly AI video platform, utterly failed and lost all it's users within a month.Fucking around with AI is a funny novelty at best. You make a funny video of a monkey, you breathe hard out of your nose. And then you do that 2-3 more times and then you realize that there's no actual depth there and you go do something else.
Do people really want to know how the sausage is made? E33 got caught using AI assets and nobody cared.
>>741273969>There's a reason that Sora, the most normie-oriented, user friendly AI video platform, utterly failed and lost all it's users within a month.Yeah, because it got replaced, trannyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=138ZMLTtKfE
>>741273969>There's a reason that Sora, the most normie-oriented, user friendly AI video platform, utterly failed and lost all it's users within a month.It lasted a year. Do you think it failing had anything to do with them giving away access for free or nah?
>>741273969They care actually. It was just too expensive for OpenAI to keep running. Interest hasn't vanished.
>>741273969>Normies don't give a shit about making AI videos that's why they generated billions of them causing OpenAI to shut down the service since it was costing them money?
>>741261027If AI content is so bad, why do you need a giant label to know it's there?
>>741253180>use AI to make game>indian scammers can steal the player's credit card information by literally asking the code nicely in plain english
>>741274043The app remained open for a year but user retention had dropped to literally 1% 30 days after it launched.>>741274074Again, Sora utterly failed to retain users. Despite it being free for a service that was costing OpenAI, no one actually cared to stick around and use it.
>>741274043>>741274074>>741274136>Only way to get people to slop is to give it away for freeI'll give you credit, it isn't so bad that they needed to pay people to use their service. That's about it though.
>>741258602The (you)'s were promised to this anon 3,000 years ago
>>741272657If AI coding doesn't require disclosure then AI art doesn't.I'm sick of untalented art autists pretending that they are the sacred holy grail of video game production.90% of them weren't even good enough in the first place to get hired.Every game jam I've ever done it's always the artist that causes shit or disappears. They all think they are special.I loved watching them freak out when the furry art scene collapsed and they had to get real jobs instead of drawing animal porn for other losers.
>>741253180>>"devs should use modern toolswho said that? i think forcing devs to use only the old tools used in 80s/90s would filter the retards and make the good ones actually learn about the platform they work on and would result in good games
>>741273084Lol, you need slop tags to be able to tell the difference between AI Slop and untalented art fags.There's tons more people using it then you will ever know. It passed 90% of the shitty complaining artists 3 years ago.
>>741273778>human can produce endlessly shitty drawingsThat's what you fail to understand. The most awful drawing ever made, took time to make. There's an exponential gap in term of frequency between what a machine can make and how often compared to a human. Except that the human will learn with practice, evolve. The AI will endlessly prpduce what your prompt asked for thousands of times, which turns even the funny silly drawing into a mass produced shit that stops being funny with its 4th copy. I'm only willing to give time, attention, energy and money for something that is not mass-produced.
>>741258672so i can drug you and rape your ass and it's fine because you won't be able to tell since you were drugged? what if i told you beforehand that i was going to drug and rape you, you wouldn't refuse it right?
>>741274252lmao, figures it'd be a bitter code monkey with zero social skills AND reddit spacing. Have a (You) on the house lad.
>>741274317>Lol, you need slop tags to be able to tell the difference between AI Slop and untalented art fags.Then what's wrong with tagging it?If it's just as good as the real thing, why would you be upset about tagging it?
>>741274136>>741274074>>741274043>"Y-Y-You don't understand! OpenAI actually wanted people to not use Sora! It cost them so much money that they just HAD to shut it down because everyone was using it sooooo much!"lolUber lost money for 14 years, they burned 33 billion dollars with artificially low, subsidized rides.Did they shut down because their service was costing them money? Obviously fucking not, because they were massively successful. They kept acquiring users and shutting out the competition until they could close the trap and and raise their prices.If Sora had been a worthwhile product that people wanted then it wouldn't have mattered how much it cost to run, because the strategy with these things is always to keep holding users until the users feel like they need the product and then raise prices once the audience is captive.And even while they were losing money, Uber was still charging people money for rides. Sora gave away their service FOR FREE and still couldn't get users to stay.
>>741274459i dont want to consume something that's mass produced, it's not about the qualityare you retarded? what part of that is difficult to understand? it's not even a concept exclusive to gaming, AI or even entertainment
>>741274459Then I can't trick you into buying the crap I couldn't be arsed to make myself. Don't be an economic terrorist, chud. These profit margins were promised three thousand years ago.
>>741273143>>If you don't have the skill to do something you shouldn't be rewarded for it, that would undermine the very concept of effort and commitment>> If we follow that path AI can only lead to the destruction of the human spiritTechnology has always made people more efficient. Vampire survivors was an asset flip and was incredibly successful.All we are seeing is art direction becoming more important then technical skill.Also there's the upcoming rise of copyright free based models, meaning its not based off stolen work. The moment those models get good enough artist will lose almost all ground to stand on and will be laughed at.These tools can be controlled and things can go beyond just entering prompts.Of course art fags will start preaching about how their skills are some kind of divine right... These tools are democratising art.The same people going on about art use AI to vibe code.
>>741274459Because faggots think that AI art is the reason they aren't in the games industry.When in reality it's because they are either untalented or unbearably autistic (hard to work with)Most games have AI in them now. They don't tag because it's costs them money with purists that would rather you spend 30 hours 3d sculpting something rather then use a new tool that can reduce it to 2 hours.
personally i'd rather have good slop than shitty handmade drawings like the kind of planet sized ass cheeks deviantart/furaffinity artists make seriously 99% of twitter artists would be better off just getting better hobbies cuz they are not good at this one and they get hyperfixated on cranking on absolute garbage anyway
>>741273143This. AI is the participation trophy of skills. When everybody's super, nobody is.
>>741274197>The app remained open for a year but user retention had dropped to literally 1% 30 days after it launched.Because competition is hot and theirs is censored to shit. It was s till insanely popular and thye gave it away for free.
>>741274459>damn that was some good food>actually that food was prepared with the help of ai>what the fuck? that was actually the worst food I've ever eaten
>>741274374Another upset artist that draws mixed race gender ambiguous characters with male face upset is well worth the time posting.
>>741274919>food analogy
Im not against ai, I even generate stuff on my 4060, but all ai games(and most ai art) I saw look like garbage, you can now make ai art that doesnt scream ai so I dont get why all developers choose one of like 4 shitty ai styles
>>741274748>Most games have AI in them nowOnly grifters are using it rajeet, stop coping, not everyone making a game is trying to scam you
>>741274903>Because competition is hotNo one had close to the level of marketing and public awareness Sora had going in. It did not fail within the first month because of competition from Seedance>theirs is censored to shitNormies don't care about AI censorship. It did not fail with the average user because they couldn't make loli rape videos>It was s till insanely popularAgain, 99% user drop within 30 days. People made one video and dropped it.>thye gave it away for free.And they still couldn't keep anyone around.
>>741274331>using AI doesn't take timeIncredible how mentally challenged you are
>>741275025Thats just skill issue. People call it slop because there are so many jeets mass producing ai art with vanilla illustrious or whatever. Well done sloppa is close to indistinguishable from actual art.
>>741275052Veo 3, WAN, and Higgsfield were mogging Sora.
>>741275052>Normies don't care about AI censorship. It did not fail with the average user because they couldn't make loli rape videosGuardrails were so strict, it was very annoying for the average user. You haven't used it if you think if it just censors loli rape.
>>741275127>drawing complex images takes the same time as generating themYou're a stupid shill with no thought process. The image you used is particularly ironic.
>>741274919You're illiterate, the correct analogy would have been someone enjoying a meal until they learned it was composed mainly of corn syrup and chemicals
>>741275256>fast = baddrooling retardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9ficvPdpZg
>AI is here to stay because 1000 slop games that no one wants around are flooding the steam storeThis looks more like evidence that AI is not sustainable and will likely be banned from places like steam to the extent that is possible.
>>741275195Honestly, this is the shit that killed any enthusiasm I had for AI. >Any mention of volence?>Oops, can't generate that>Copyrighted character?>Oops, can't generate that>'Average Japanese Person'>Makes a nigger>(Generic dominant sexual roleplay)>I'm sorry, but I cannot continue this roleplay any furtherThe fuckers making this want to have their cake and eat it too.
>>741273969>censor the shit out of Sora>"wtf why did it die"based low IQ mongoloid
>>741275452no, the correct comparison would be that you enjoyed a meal until you found out it was made from stuff produced by Nestlé (i.e the issue is with the producer, not because the product physically harms you)now tell me how many people boycott food because it ultimately was made by Nestlé
>>741275651Gemma 4 is the most uncensored and coherent model I've seen without requiring a massive video card to run. Things changed a lot in the past couple of years. Also check out Ideogram 4 for local image gen. It has "safety filters" but it's extremely easy to bypass. Knows a large amount of copyrighted characters and can be very horny if you know what you're doing. And because it's local, people can train loras to add more porn to it.
>>741268439You don't have to disclose it if you use it for anything else besides visuals and sound.
>>741275881No, the correct comparison would be a meal and literal shit.I guess some people just like eating shit
>>741275976You're actually retarded. I'm surprised you even know how a keyboard works.
>>741276036Still not buying your dogshit slop no matter how much you try to pass it for real product
>>741276094My product doesn't have a trans flag anywhere so you wouldn't have bought it anyway though?
>>741272545You can make whatever you want with AI, but it doesn't make you an artist and I'm just not gonna buy it, sorry.>fucking awful artistsEven if that's the case, they're still better than AI slop.
Man the anti-AI troons sure are seething. They're still fighting tooth and nail with random anons all the way to page 10.
>>741273206>You're as irrelevant as the trannies praising wokeslop.If we're irrelevant, why are you forced to disclose your AI use? :)
>>741276130Trannies don't buy it even if it has a trans flag. Those guys just virtue signal that they totally would but outside the "tradition" of gift buying among some groups you won't see a penny from them.
>>741276295they're mentally illim surprised that one schizo didn't show up to dump his anti-ai folder from his IPhone
>>741274013>E33 got caught using AI assets and nobody cared.People cared and the assets (again, some placeholder posters) got replaced.>Do people really want to know how the sausage is made?Since that affects whether or not I am willing to pay for the sausage, yes.
>>741276318If you're relevant, why didn't E33, Crimson Desert and Arc Raiders flop?
>>741274252Spite isn't an argument.>If AI coding doesn't require disclosure then AI art doesn't.AI coding doesn't cease to be coding. AI "art" ceases to be art.People just don't want your lazy slop. Sorry.
>>741276370.Crimson Desert>flopIt sold 6 million, how is that a slop?
>>741275127It's funny because you are the one pretending not to understand here. You're just desperate to paint all criticism as coming from leftists.
>>741276295>y-you're still responding that means you're seething!And the reason you're still here getting upset with the "luddites" is...?
>>741276483it didn't, that's the point
>>741276540He's paid to ofc.
>>741276370E33 isn't an AI game.Don't know or care about the other two.Anti-AI sentiment is relevant enough to require disclosure.Keep being mad that you can't offload your lazy garbage on people.
>>741276540>And the reason you're still here making fun of the "luddites" is...?FTFY sis
>>741276571He's paid to and yet he's still seething kek
>>741276628>when you keep posting you're seething>but when I keep posting (angrily) I'm making fun of youlol, why are they always so stupid
>>741276540I was busy being productive and having fun with AI. Unlike someone who has been seething in this thread for hours.
>>741276591I bet you think the devs of Crimson Desert only used AI on the parts that got caught by the xitter mob
I do think the anti-AI crowd has humiliated themselves with these failed shill threads yet again. It is quite funny to see.
>>741276706Of course you were, buddy. Of course you were.
>>741276696pretty clear which one of us is seething sisbut trannies aren't known to be good at self-reflection so I can't blame you
>the humiliated anti-AI troons trembles and projects their insecurities on anons because they are too pathetic to admit that they're wrong and move onIt is what it is.
>>741276710I already said I don't know or care. Relying on ChatGPT for everything has robbed you of your reading comprehension.
>>741276764>every post he's made in this thread is a desperate attempt to associate AI-sentiment with trannies and wokenessI'm smiling actually. If AI was popular, you wouldn't have to try so hard.
>>741276747>>741276797Wow, he's really having a meltdown
>>741276591Crimson desert was the same case as E33 and arc raiders had AI voices which has since been replaced with real voice acting so shit examples all around. Arc raiders CEO specifically said real voice acting was better.
>>741276940Thanks for clarifying anon. I figured they were just bullshit, reaching examples since the E33 one was, but it's nice to get confirmation.
>>741276437Drawing a furry with tits and a dick isn't holy.Well engineered code runs entire economy.There's an art in architecting code the same way there in designing a bathroom or kitchen.Arty faggots that draw furries all day aren't sacred cows. AI art already surpassed most of them technically ages ago. Most of the complainers were untalented as fuckYou art faggots ask for tags so that you tell the difference because you can't tell anymore
>>741258602People who complain about the images on the left, do not understand what AI and Humanity know in it's soul. Beauty is Art. Yes beauty is subjective, but nobody will tell me or any normal person that a banana with tape is beauty.
>>741276242Video games are a sum of its parts.Only a retard would declare AI use, especially when Art trannys are using AI for everything they want to do.
>>741276905>I'm smiling actuallysure you are lel
>>741273143>If you don't have the skill to do something you shouldn't be rewarded for itBasedpilled
>>741276940>arc raiders had AI voices which has since been replaced with real voice acting Yet people didn't care enough for it to flop when it came out, curious.
>>741275035Almost everyone is using it except the terminally online zealots.
>>741277297They were literally forced to create filters so people stop seeing this garbage.Even normies hate it. Keep trying selling shit shill
>AI Saars when the tech bros inevitably dump this for the next scam
>>741277143AI slop isn't artTags don't mean people can't tell, it's fpr discoverability, filtering, and getting info quickly without having to do a five-hour deep dive and spoil an entire game just to verify there's no AI shit.
>>741277212>only a retard would tell the truth instead of misrepresenting their productSounds like you don't have much faith on your "AI masterpiece" if you need to lie about it
>>741277212>Artists are using AI for everything they want to do.Just making shit up like usual. It feels like it so it must be true, right?
>>741273149no, early 2010s isn't 2019, drone. >>741273296>>741273442>tree fiddy been 'posited in your bank. keep it up, sport! we'll get em!amaze amaze amaze, I got 3 in one go.>>741273519Like I said, it's what we get to see. Anyway, just a speculation, amirite guys haha, I neither got proof nor am I bothered by it if true. But feels like it, and given the track record of big corpos and governments, it really wouldn't surprise me. One would have to be either retarded or a shill to not at least suspect something fishy. This thread is saturated with both
Call me anti-anti-anti-AI because I have anti-AI and anti-anti-AI fatigueFuck you all
