Why do developers always do this to balance multiplayer games?
>>741256319They listen to the streamer retards they pay to promote their game who listen to the retards playing it on their discord/subpreddit. This kills the game.
>>741256319dirty bomb died because of thismiss that game
>>741256319This actually happens.
>>741258034>NPCs replaced the other players because they quitkek
>>741256319That's the Riot special. Balancing = moving numbers around until you get 50% win rate.
R.I.P.
Balancing is an interesting subject. Usually devs on a large project won't be serious players, so balancing is largely based on vibes and feedback, or retarded metrics like winrate. It's a clusterfuck.
>>741256319You gotta tune all the dials just perfectly so they level off at a bland safe equal medium. That way EVERYONE can have fun!
>>741258610>>741258034>>741256319how would YOU balance a game so everybody has fun?
>>741256617It's this every single time. Nowadays there aren't even forums where actual players can leave actual feedback either (even if it'll get ignored) so the devs are completely detached from the playerbase.
>>741258657Simple. I leave it stupid and unbalanced until the community finds a way to regulate itself.
>>741258657Balance through intended unbalance.Basically everything is stupidly strong in its own niche and gets countered by some other niche. This way you avoid the sterile balance where everything is equally boring and gay to play.
>>741258034spbpOP sucks cocks
>>741258657let stupid things be as they are so long as they're fun. make sure everything has some form of counterplay that's also fun.if the game is team based, make sure teams can be 10+ so individual impact is low enough that someone sucking doesn't matter but high enough that 1 person can be a carryif the game is 1v1, allow disgusting kusoge tactics to exist on every character or faction. let people fight dirty with dirty.
>>741258034>No NPCs>there's NPCs???
This niggas has caused endless seething for over 20 years.
>>741259272Are they helping or is there ai just bugged on the wall?
>>741256319Name 1 (one) game
>>741259236I fucking hate it how modern games make 1v1 entirely binary where your "counter" will always win by default because there's no counterplay and nothing out of the box that you can do.They claim 1v1 isn't important and that the game is "balanced" around team fights but those are also dicksucking comp checks.Meanwhile old games allowed a lot of fun shenanigans in 1v1 where you could even beat your supposed hard counter and that also made teamfights much more fun.
>>741258924>This way you avoid the sterile balance where everything is equally boring and gay to play.so what is this retarded meme where people pretend perfectly balaned is boring?>"ugh I hate everyone having an equal chance of winning and the outcome being determined mostly by skill! I'm not gonna get rekt by an abusive broken strategy with no hope of fighting back? BORING" it's always the opposite, the silly broken games are ONLY fun if you play them with a couple of friends who are fucking around, the moment you go online that shit becomes miserablebest example of this behavior I can remember is leading up to Sparking Zero's release the devs proudly proclaimed the game would be deliberately unbalanced, which prompted anons to gloat about how good this was and how it would be just like their childhood come release date and online is unplayable due to everyone exploiting the most degenerate strats and it turns out that isn't any fun at all to deal with, shocker
>>741259803name one "balanced" game without a tight, crusty meta and the same strats being spammed over and over
>>741259803the sentiment is that people want the concept of balance to be a bit jagged instead of feeling like everything has been sanded down and covered in bubblewrap.there is still a degree of jank tolerance that you can't go overboard with or you'll have everyone just abusing the same tactics and not having fun because there isn't an adequate breadth of different strategies to play around. people want an expressive meta but they don't want it to be so degenerate that you must play a specific character or strategy in order to stand a chance. There can definitely be a ton of depth within that 1 character, but people yearn for more than fox only final destination.
>>741258680thisi'd also have shit like custom servers run by players so they could ban whatever they want
>>741259982Virtua Fighter 5and what's your argument? that an unbalanced game wouldn't have a tight meta as certain things dominate or the same strats being spammed over and over? it's the opposite>n-no all the silly wacky strats are just as good and have an equal chance of winningTHEM YOU'RE DESCRIBING A BALANCED GAME
>>741258474gta online is a really good example of power creep. once you had to steal a lazer from the army to fly a combat jet, then you had to buy the hydra, then there was a motorcycle with a boost and glide, then there was straight up a flying motorcycle that shoots homing rockets, now theres a submarine that you can shoot remote controlled rockets from, never any balancing just more shit
>>741256319t. not gamer_gary12
>>741259689>Bob the middle manager only has 1 and a half hours of gaming per week>he sits down and locks in Magespanker, his main>Bob goes down middle lane to magespank the Mageician>tragedy strikes>he clicked magespank but the Mageician player timed his Hall of Mirrors right before, and now Bob is the one who is magespanked!>Bob doesnt understand!? He's supposed to counter mages, and yet he LOST?!>Bob stops playing this game, taking his XP and rank boost purchasing habits with him>he also leaves a 1 star review that says "BAD GAME THE RULES DONT EVEN MATTER YOU JUST LOSE WHEN IT WANTS YOU TOO"
>>741260534FUCK BOB
this is literally Helldivers 2
>>741260420Name ONE game where playing creatively like ramming your C4 car into a tank got nerfed
>>741260742battlefield 3
>>741258657Theoretically the ideal situation is an asymettric scenario where multiple sides have their own goals and objectives. Don't make the long game about territory control.
>>741259803>people pretend perfectly balaned is boring?What perfectly balanced games are fun?
>>741259689Did they nerf parries in deadlock yet? It's not fun playing melee and getting fucked because the opponent remembered the f key exists.
>>741260420>GTA1, Max Wanted StarsFucking Allah Akhbar cops.
>>741260742It was banned on most C&C Renegade servers. They called it "flaming vehicles".
>>741260268They ended up nerfing the hydra and the lazer so outside of non-freemode jobs and deathmatches, they shoot considerably slower, and they have decreased ranges. The only good balancing decision I can think of that they made, was to make it so the titan 250D doesn't basically die from one explosive sniper shot to the control surfaces, but in that same update they nerfed the ranges of the guns to 300 some meters, which considering the map design is completely retarded.
>>741262223>community serversSo not relevant to the meme since the devs didn't change that
>>741264209I'm not that anon, but fountain hooks in Dota 2. Happy?
>>741265563>fountain hooksI've never played Dota, is this like the really old thing in League where you recalled and hooked at the very last second, cheesing someone with the fountain laser?If so, abilities are supposed to interrupt recall. That was never intended behavior or being creative, that's a bug.
>>741266371> rocket jumping was never creative, it's just a bug> surfing was never creative, it's just a flaw of the source engine> tf2 spy was never supposed to be a real class> silent hill fog was never intended to be so good> combos in fighting games weren't intended, it's a bug> GTA isn't supposed to be a game where you run from aggressive cops, that's a bugDoesn't matter
>>741266875Rocket jumping isn't a bugSurfing is same principleSpy is a real class in the final game and the devs decided on thatfog isn't a game mechaniccombos were discovered by devs and left in on purpose, intended behavioragain, bug devs found and chose to make officialall different
>>741261117They only removed the ability to put C4 on MAVs and EOD Bots after the alpha and made it almost impossible to detonate C4 after deathPeople stopped kamikaze jeeping as much because tankers just got better at countering them
>>741267058y do u lie?
>>741267605Ok and the devs kept it in, so it's not relevant here. This is about shit where players are being creative with FINAL game mechanics (so throw out all the shit that was a bug the devs chose to turn into a feature) and the devs step in and patch it out
>>741256319The Blizzard way of doing things:
>>741267605WTF marathon can't be Concord if it's been in place for 30 years
>>741258034this is good thougheverbeit
>>741259645pong
>>741258034>From Software balancing
>>741260742league of legends
>>741259361Literally the coolest thing to ever exist. Makes sense they should be OP. Also fuck the new models
>>741268182what specificallyand yes Riot is retarded that's not really disputed
>>741268758Shaco boxes
>>741267912Why? Just because it makes jewtubers mad?
Balance often ends up being another word for boring in video games.
Its a sad thing when the players decide there's only one right way to play the game and the devs end up agreeing with them
>>741256319This is literally the opposite of how multiplayer games balance their shit. It's always>hey this one weapon's pretty strong and funand the devs respond with>no fun allowedAnd nerf it into the ground.
>>741268758double jungle, lane swapping, gold funneling, feeding strats (proxy singed or inting sion), double support item bot, top lane smite
>>741256319Devs rarely if ever play their own games and if they do, usually at a low/casual skill level.
>>741269846yes, speedrun trannies don't deserve joy
>>741271930>a bunch of shit that only happened after the game was garbage anywayswho cares>>741272286hmmm very based reasoning and I agree
>>741256319Titanfall 2 was so much better before they increased the TTK. Why does every game get so much worse after launch. Imagine if every world cup they just added wacky new rules to the sport. It'd be fucking retarded so why do they do it with games??
>>741256319>gamer_gary is a stupid redditposting chud>gamer_"""jenny""" is le smart grrl gamer who puts that stupid boy in his place xDTake your propaganda and FUCK OFF
>>741260420>Vehiclefags getting coddled by devsOnly way to make it more accurate is having that faggot fly a helicopter.
>>741258657buff the tank to be able to deal with solo rushing pistol usersforce pistol users to rush the tank with multiple people if they want to take it downmake pistol users weak to regular machine gun users or something so the meta strategy revolves around: tank exists -> gets rushed by pistol guys -> rifle guys support the tanknow the pistol guys need to strategize a method against the rifle guys if they want to take out the tankget the pistol team to have a few sniper guys or grenade launcher guys on their team to pick off the rifle guys if they're not positioned tactically and using coverpistol guys win if the rifle guys aren't careful to avoid sniper guys or grenade launcher guystank guy wins if the rifle guys are tactical and can take out the sniper guys/grenade launcher guys before they approach the pistol guyskeep the general TTK of the game low enough so a more skilled rifle guy can beat a lower skilled grenade or sniper guy with movement and reflexessort of like how overwatch has hard counter picks but if you're better than them you can still outplay them
most shooters don't balance their game at all and honestly it's pointless because they're all horribly designed
>>741258034this is helldivers 2
the simple fact is that vehicles have always been overpowered just like snipers you require significantly more attention to take down and their only downside is that they're a limited resource
Remember guys, pay to progress and pay to win are completely different things (^:
>>741256319for me, it's call of duty balancing
>>741258034This is actually much more accurate. OP needs to sit down and shut the fuck up.
>>741256319Two thousand hours in Paint for maximised accuracy
>>741258657Keep the TTK up so that consistent marksmanship is more important than reflexes.
>>741260717>>741277626This.Multiplayer is almost exclusive balanced around high level play.
>>741271373Yes very sad when people can't just facetank tanks and use pistols against them. Fucking metafags I swear bro.
