The graphics are objectively better today and are an improvement over the uncslop era.
average mentality of a slopper
>>741264515
>>741264515people pegged van gogh right when he was alive, as a talentless bum. same shit with citizen kane and the thing
>no detail on the ground>Wrong time of dayThis is literally like seeing a classic game get remade. Tony Hawk 1+2 had a few levels changed so they're a different time of day or visually look different and I kinda hate it cus it kills the feeling of the original level.
>>741264515I like right better.
Wrong
chinese people are a little too obsessed with doing thing but better. bigger mall, faster car, famous piano song but it's played by a 5 year old. It's impressive but it's like they have zero interest in creating anything original
This tweet perfectly embodies /v/'s mindset. The Liu painting is perfectly fine and looks good, but when framed in this hostile way by a third party (the tweeter) suddenly the audience feels the need to be defensive or pick it apart in a hostile way too. You can't just enjoy both paintings as nice with this framing thrust on you unless you acknowledge and reject the loaded troll premise.
>>741264850you sound like you entire perception of chinese culture is informed by a tiktok feed.
>>741264515Not a big fan of Van Gogh but his looks far better. More interesting use of colors with a limited palette, the darker colors used in the sky and alleyway clashing with the bright orange tones of the shop is really striking. Left is nice but it looks washed out with its abundant use of light and overall it just feels like something I’ve seen 100 times before.
>>741264947my entire perception of chinese culture is exactly what the chinese government wants to get across to me. chinese people are literally walled off and barred from interacting with me, that's completely china's fault
>>741264947TikTok is a Chinese run enterprise
It was okay when graphics were improving along with hardware but now they've gotten ahead and it makes games run terribly. There are UE5 games that struggle to run native 1080p at 60fps on decent hardware. That was perfectly normal a decade ago and now it's impossible and I don't get it.
>twitter screencap>ifunny watermarkKill yourself.
>>741264515All the customers went to the Van Gogh restaurant it seems
>skillfullyThat was entirely not the point of Van Gogh. On at least two levels.Impressive misunderstanding.
>>741264621I see
>>741265092Entirely a lack of optimization. There's a reason we have infinite third world coders AND LLM coding agents now and there's STILL incredibly high demand for highly skilled programmers.Optimization is extremely high IQ.
>>741264515Left saw something and reproduced it with the intent of copying it. This does not take any true skill or personal vision, a camera can do this.Van Gogh saw something and painted it as he saw it, making it his unique representation which additionally was a style hitherto uncommon at the time, therein the inherent value.The Chinese, Indians and other races obsessed with "improving" what others make truly will never understand the concept of having your own interpretation of things, or why a unique and personal creation can be valued. They will never be able to understand impressionism because they see no value in the personal impression or the personal expression framed by the experiences of the artist.
>>741264515left could be a real photo with a filter over it it's boring and soulless.
>>741264668she also removed the people entirelyironic from someone chinese. like the script writes itself
>>741264515lmao that retarded girl painted the lighting wrongshe lit up the cafe like it was night but changed the exterior to be daytime
>>741264515>remakes vs original
right has a contrast of the warm cafe in the middle of a cold dark nightleft is muted and bland
>>741264947blame the chinese for choosing to represent themselves in a retarded way then given they run 99% of any algorithmically based social media
>>741264515what a retarded tweetyou don't hate china enough
>>741264515>ifunny.co
>>741264621Video games arent art and that guy would agree
>>741264515Even your pic is unknowingly arguing fidelity vs. aesthetic just like you lmao, normiezooms truly can only comprehend realism.
>>741264630Citizen Kane was good FOR THE TIME. It was a pioneer of multiple film based story telling elements. Any normal movie nowadays uses the same techniques that were abundant in the filming of that movie. They study it in film school because if that. Not because it was the greatest film ever made. It was the first of a series of techniques. Personal opinion, it was still a good movie even if it is old as hell and dated
>>741266619>Citizen Kane was good FOR THE TIME.wrong. it flopped on release and used cinematic laguage that was already extant. they study it in film school because cahiers du cinema shilled it to support auteur theory
>>741266580bitch had a tiny head
>>741264515Art style will always be more important than graphics, people complaining about all Unreal Engine looking the same proves this.
>>741265040>>741265078>>741266345>download children's dancing app>get mad when it shows you what you want to see rather than Top 100 Modern Chinese Literature of 2025 or whatever
>>741267148>be american>use my internet>CHINA NUMBER 1! CHINA BETTER THEN US? YOU KNOW CHINA MAKE ELECTRIC CAR? DO YOU KNOW CHINA MOVIE THAT LOOK LIKE RATATOOIE DO MORE MONEY THAN OPPENHIEMER?again, this isn't even chinese people's fault, I'm sure they're not this obnoxious and they can't even use MY internet. It's the chinese government. They do this 24/7 anywhere and it's super obvious
>>741267314>be americanYou have bigger problems
>>741267385you falling for fake posts?
>>741267385nice shitty pol bait pic with zero argumentare you a tankie or whatever they're called? lol
>>741267385are the chips fucking 10 dollars each or something?
>>741264515both are fine. Art is subjective and some prefer a more realistic look to the piece or as close tor eal life as possible, others prefer a mroe whimsical and animated aestheticif you want to complain about "art" look no further then Absurdism
>>741265040>my entire perception ... is exactly what the ... governmentlol you believe in governments. imagine doing that haha xd
if you're just gonna start putting random shit in quotes no one is saying I'm done, that's pathetic and I'll accept your concession
>>741267583Oh, you leave Magritte alone, his paintings are neat.
>>741264515Left is soulless bugslop
>>741264515Right will always be a better painting.
>>741267768its just random nonsense
>>741267579>he hasn't seen the prices on party bag sizes of basic bitch potato chips latelyOh, anon...
>>741267835It's cool, aesthetic nonsense!
>>741267835I think it's pretty nonsense, which is all it has to be
>>741267579Just about nowadays yeah Those 12 packs of soda are also like $10 eachJust removing the chips and soda would probably cut 80% off that grocery bill
>>741267314Lol you're never gonna get that chink to admit fault in the Chinese governmentYou can probably keep him replying to you forever by trying to, though
>>741267801>betterNot really a thing in art
>>741264515Never thought I would get a chance to post this again. Also, kill yourself
>>741264621Hitchcock was a dumbass, because film by its very nature captures the perfect essence of reality. Sure you can dress it up in window dressing to make it a representation of hyper reality, but it none the less is a presentation of reality that as it deviates towards non reality transitions into being "bad" or terrible art.Art either attempts to capture reality in its full, or imposes its will upon reality, demanding that reality conforms to the desires of the artist. There is no middle ground, however, the former does inform the latter in the sense that the better the artist can technically impose their will and capture their vision of reality, ultimately a better product is created.In any case, graphics mean nothing, gameplay is everything to a game.
>>741268190Failblog, now that's one I've not heard in a hot decade or two
>>741264515artists are not usually rated on their actual skill, but on their style, personality/story, and pretentious "reasons" "behind the art". once you reach a certain level of celebrity, it literally doesnt matter what you do or how you do it, all that matters is that it came from you.
>>741264850>it's like they have zero interest in creating anything originalto this day, all they really have to contribute for literature is r3k and wukong shit. they just keep beating those 2 dead horses in perpetuity. oh, and i guess the chinese zodiac as a theme, but they never really do anything with it.
>>741267583>>741267835You're retarded
>>741264515It's kinda sad that China was already unable to art and only able to bootleg, steal and copy in 1962
>>741264515>haixia liuCHING CHONG CHINA NUMBAH ONE ROVE YOU RONG TIME
>>741264515nobody cares you retarded turd
>>741264515Left doesn't really look like Van Gogh though does it? It's pretty and it's soulless, like the art section of a Homegoods, except even more hollow somehow.
>>741264515Why is Chinese art so terminally ass despite being shilled constantly? Do Chinese people have souls?
>>741267579Actually, they're more like 8 dollars each but close enough.
>>741264515>watch this, I'll pretend to be retarded in order to receive more engagement on whatever I talk aboutWhat a boring and meaningless existence. I wish these "people" would just kill themselves.
>>741264515Graphics are better, art design is worse
>>741264515whats your point
>>741266898UE games sell really well because most people think they look amazing, so you're wrong. I hate how it looks too but most don't.
You can't redo an original art piece "more skillfully" I've always thought Van Gough was overrated, but this is an AI slop loving jeet tier take.
>>741270292>You can't redo an original art piece "more skillfully"*blocks your path*
>>741270326I appreciate the silly video, but my point still stands
>>741270292I could take or leave Van Gogh's jittery brush technique but he was incredible in terms of his color choices. On that front he is underrated if anything. I mean look at the red accents here.
>>741270326do you think Leo got to clap Mona's cheeks?
>>741268243You’re a dumbass because that isn’t Hitchcock.
>>741264515The Chinese guy forgot to put the last supper in the scene, unlike Van Gogh. Are they retarded?
>>741270367*blocks your path*https://files.catbox.moe/i8liov.mp4
>>741266619Shut the fuck up Kanecel, this is a Kongchad board!
>>741264621yet simulator games exist
>>741264515which one
>>741264621>perfection>umbrella under an awningWhat?
>>741271126>3d realism modelsNeither. Fucking uggos.
>>741271110Autism exists too
>>741265549Van Gogh copied countless paintings, and his work was inferior in every case.
>>741264621I wouldn't say I had my mind blown but thank you old movie man for making me think.
>>741264515Isn't the reason why people like Van Gogh's art just how melancholic and trippy his pieces look instead of being a representation of reality?
>>741264515>more skillfullymaybe, but it does have less depth
>>741273085>its deep because it references cucktianity
>>741267579Frito Lay lost a ton of money because they were trying to price bags of chips above $7-8 recently. The free market fixed it but it's still like $5-6
>>741271126dreamworks smirk vs dirty old momwhat a buffet
>>741273085looks coincidental unless there are some written proof from the author that it was intended
>>741264621this
>>741273940yes, it's purely coincidental that the former super christian pastor made a painting that resembles the last supper
>>741264515Is haixia liu ai? Because he clearly painted something that can't exist while van Gogh feels like an actual memory.
>>741273940it also resembles a cafe with a waiter and customers.
>/v/ finally realizes it's completely random which painters get lauded as geniuses
>>741273980so it's just bullshit from "specialist". Noted, discarded.
>>741273085huh, neat
>>741273085ah yes, jesus and the twelve apostles... plus judas, making them 13.
>>741274175What about it? That's why 13 is traditionally seen as an unlucky number, because Judas was the 13th
>>741274175are you stupid?
>>741270759Mona Lisa was Da Vinci himself as trans.
>>741268190missing ebaums
>>741268243>film by its very nature captures the perfect essence of realityFilm is deceptive and it can never capture reality. Film is beautiful because it isn't real, it is art, because it lies and distorts reality so greatly. People in film don't talk like people, images you see in film don't appear in real life. It's all a state of carefully curated non-reality.Film that "captures the perfect essence of reality"? We have a term for that, it's called home videos. But those are rarely "beautiful", they are ugly and messy and incoherent.>Art either attempts to capture reality in its full, or imposes its will upon reality, demanding that reality conforms to the desires of the artist.Art NEVER replicates reality, the goal of all art is to create a heightened sense of reality, to depict someone you cannot see in real life.If there is no exaggeration, no hyperreality, it is simply not art.
>>741264515I'm sure Christian Griepenkerl would've rejected Haixia Liu as well.
>>741269261Chinese is not a literary language.
>>741267385it's been a year since I ate potato chips
>>741264621You should post this one in Laufey threads.
>>741264515Why did chink man put a café in a dead end street? Why is there a parasol under the canopy? What's this super small second canopy? Why are there floating street lamps? Why are the tables set that you can't pass the street nor is there enough space to sit on them? Why is that one lantern on a swivel? Why is thos empty? Where are the lights coming from?
>>741266619>Citizen Kane was good FOR THE TIME. Citizen Kane is still a great film. It has the trappings of its time, but which art doesn't?Of course, few people know how good Citizen Kane is, because nobody watched it
>>741274364Good post
>>741264515>replacing the IMPRESSION of a scene and mood with mimetic veracityTo what end, I ask you?
>>741264515>Realism is the be all end all!Chinks really have no capacity for creativity, only mimicry.
>>741268243>movies are realityis this what americans think?
>>741268243>because film by its very nature captures the perfect essence of reality.Don't tell this guy about formalist cinema
Thread full of people who know nothing about artists or painting
>>741267768>AI slop...
Bluepoint Remake
>>741273940Personally I fucking hate symbolism and allegory, but it's a proven fact that Van Gogh did indeed use symbolism in his work.>I have tried to express the terrible passions of humanity by means of red and green. The room is blood red and dark yellow with a green billiard table in the middle; there are four lemon-yellow lamps with a glow of orange and green. Everywhere there is a clash and contrast of the most alien reds and greens, in the figures of little sleeping hooligans, in the empty dreary room, in violet and blue. The blood-red and the yellow-green of the billiard table, for instance, contrast with the soft tender Louis XV green of the counter, on which there is a rose nosegay. The white clothes of the landlord, watchful in a corner of that furnace, turn lemon-yellow, or pale luminous green.You can say it's lame bullshit for jerkoffs, and I would agree, but it was undeniably Van Gogh's intent. Not to say you can't dismiss his intent, because I certainly do.
I think people like Van Gogh because he invented a whole style of painting.Sure, you can probably imitate his work but the same can be said about literally all Renaissance masters. The point is quite literally that they did it first.
>>741275154The thing is, you don't need any explanation, you can just look at the painting and see what's being described. The explanation actively detracts from the work.
>>741275154There's a sort of question mark on the right, kek
>>741275254>people like Van Gogh because he invented a whole style of paintingbut he didn't, what the fuck are you talking about.People like Van Gogh, because he is the most marketed artist ever. Sure, some individual works have been sold and repackaged more, but no other artist gas an "immersive experience" dedicated to them.
>>741270326ML is the result of a comission from a merchant for a portrait of his wifeIt was never meant to be an exhibition piece
>>741273085That's just basic composition and numerology
>>741275320In this example, yes, and ideally that's how it should be. An ultierior explanation should never be integral to understanding a work. The author could have intended the exact opposite of what his work actually conveys, an explanation doesn't fix that, it has nothing to do with what the work is actually like.Furthermore authors should respect their medium and what sorts of things they can communicate. If you wanted to write an essay then you shouldn't have tried to cram it into a painting.
>>741264621based hitchcock
>>741275563>hitchcocklook at this retard and laugh
>>741264515Art was only impressive back the because of how expensive paints are. Some random nobody with access to dollar store paints can run circles around someone from the history books. Digital artists produce even better work.
>filmhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=Nvxwf1jxdaM
>>741264515Left is realistic slop, right is a romantic depiction of the night sky as filtered through the artist's imagination rather than simply drawing what he sees.
>>741275609gottemevery single time
>>741274952>666hail
>remaster improves the game>people complain that it's too bright and desaturated
>>741273060People didn't lime Van Goh when he was alive. His paintings became popular after he died because his family who owned them fluffed them up as more special than they actually are.
>>741264515>It's an OP and the twitter retard completely disregarding that the reason she decided to paint the same scene in the first place is because she loves and venerates the original work.
>>741264515>more skillfullysomeone does not understand (post-)impressionism, and equates naturalism/realism with skill/artabsolute brainlet take, that person should never talk about art again
>>741275831> because his family who owned them fluffed them up Why doesn't every artist's family just do this?
>>741275523In most examples, even the highly abstract ones. At least if the artists are honest.This painting (negro for scale) doesn't need an explanation, when you see it you instantly understand it, even if you can't quite put it into words.
>>741275930I'm sure many tried, but Van Goh's sister was exceptionally good at bullshitting people.
>>741268243>film by its very nature captures the perfect essence of realityYou have zero clue how the film-making works. A single BTS video from a very simple movie will probably blow your mind.
>>741275925>someone does not understand (post-)impressionism, and equates naturalism/realism with skill/artIt's quite literally the discourse on art you get from very young children. Which checks out given where we are.
what is the secret to art -- paintings i meanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an0_lgRtGhA^ yes chinese numbah wan actually
>>741275891Also not knowing about Van Gogh's weeb fanart
>>741275963DUDE IT'S TWO LINES OMG YOU GET IT IMMEDIATELY
>>741276053Don't people in here have at least one art class? They do go to school right
>>741276080>DUDE IT'S TWO LINES OMG YOU GET IT IMMEDIATELY
>>741276197Art class in school isn't about teaching you refinement, it's about doing the mandated excercises in the mandated time and getting graded.
>>741275963the funny thing is, no one would think to steal this paiting
>>741276219JUDE!
>>741276219Kek. especially funny when you realize that the art industry is a jewish racket.
>>741275154Disliking symbolism and allegory is the lowest of low IQ opinions imaginable.
>>741276197I leanrd way more fucking around with a digital tablet amd cheap tube paints than I did in any art class. Art schools fucking usless and only exist to bilk dumb 20 something year olds out of their parent's money.
>>741264621this is why vidya is ugly nowwe have advanced too far so now almost everything that boasts realistic graphics looks the sameit's repulsive
seems to me that people living in asian countries genuinely do not understand what art is and see everything as a "product" that can be recreated in a "better" waylike their brains actually don't comprehend art
>>741276261Yeah, it's too big to steal.>>741276080It's a large field of color, which has a specific and immediate impact on your mood.
>>741276403The Japanese have some pretty good artists and weird, abstract art movements, but the Chinks especially are absolutely soulless most of the time, with few exceptions.
>>741264621This
>>741276519Mao is to blame.
>>741268243>HitchcockI bet you haven't even seen Le Regle De Jeu, pleb.
>>741266619>Any normal movie nowadays uses the same techniques that were abundant in the filming of that movie.Citizen Kane made extensive use of deep focus, even going so far as to composite together different focus settings in the same shot for extreme depth of field. This is ignored by modern filmmakers, who are too inept or lazy to compose a scene that naturally directs the viewer's attention, instead taking the brute force approach of shallow focus. We need to bring back deep focus. Especially now we have good LED lighting there's no excuse not to.
>>741264515chinks can't create anything , they just copy Europeans
>>741276403That's why they make shit like Lauffey, Concord, Highguard, etc yeah
>>741271110Simulator games aren't art (neither do they try to be) so yeah.
>>741276071is it just sovl then??connection eveni'm sure to unlock the secret one of these days
>>741275963>At least if the artists are honest.That's the issue though, many are not honest with themselves. Either that or they're just inarticulate.>>741276080Let me put it like this, anon. When you play vidya, you customize your character and you pick the armors that you like.If you can pick colors for your character, then there are specific colors over all the others.A new piece of armor might look cool on its own but you don't like the way it fits in with your other stuff. You'd like to combine your armors in a way that looks good.Conversely if you're going for optimal stats, then your character might end up like pic related, but you wouldn't be happy about it. You'd like your character to look good on top of that.If you can make these decisions based on the most minor visual elements then you already understand abstract art. Don't overthink it.
>>741276361oh sure, I was more referring to art history aspect, educating people on different periods and styles. You would have to be completely ignorant to think "muh realism = skill = art" is my point
>>741276647>colors you choose over all the others*
>>741276647>it's art because le color coordinationso every roastie is an artist now
>>741276261There've been many incidents where abstract paintings have been vandalized, though.
>>741276456>It's a large field of color, which has a specific and immediate impact on your mood.The thing is that this type of effect does not happen when someone is mentally retarded or autistic in the wrong way, as most NPCs are in some form, it requires the part of your brain responsible for empathy to work and be able to communicate with the rest of a fully working brain, otherwise it causes feelings of being confused which causes anger.
>>741276361As someone with a fine art degree I can confirm.However, I believe anon was talking about art history.
>>741276741Only because of their perceived value.
>>741274643Yes, Indonesians, Thailand, Zoomers in America they literally think all fiction is reality. Just check out your Global Social Media feed if you wish to know more.
>>741276809No, because of their perceived lack of artistic merit.
>>741275963WE WUZ ABSTRACT N SHIET
>>741276782correct, I was!>>741276692Maybe it's a US thing, that people don't learn these things?
>>741276698Well, basically these elements combined. And you can choose the things you like and dislike because you have free will. I personally don't like Rothko but nothing about his work eludes me.
>>741276698Yes?"artist" isn't some high title and "art" is a much weaker term than you think.
>>741276692Realism is a skill and you're going to need to eat if you do anything art related, kid. All forms of stylization are derived from ones understanding and base skill with realism. You learn to draw and paint realistically as a baseline for a reason.
>>741276958nice strawman
>>741264621>What technique is perfected, everything is uglyWhat a retarded niggerfaggot. It's because Jews don't value art, not because good technique is le bad.
>>741276357Quite the opposite, symbolism and allegory are the domain of pseuds and posers who don't understand art.
>>741277113What is "perfect" about this?Nothing about this sculpture is realistic, anon.
>>741277113i call this one, my son is a gamer
I like this one.
>>741277019Experience is a better indicator of reality than retarded memes like "someone does not understand (post-)impressionism, and equates naturalism/realism with skill/artabsolute brainlet take, that person should never talk about art again"
>>741277197>muh experience>"reality"oh dear, your brain broke, didn't it. None of what you're babbling about relates to what I said
>>741277171nice ai slop
>>741277259You should all that emotion into an abstract or something. Maybe you'll finally find someone who will appreciate it, most likely a fellow schizo
>>741268243>Hitchcock was a dumbasslmao, this board...why do i even post here? perhaps it's time to stop
>>741277150>What is "perfect" about this?What's flawed about the technique, faggot?>>741277113Also pic (because 4chan is a niggerjew imageboard that doesn't allow multiple files)
>>741277314It's the same on the opposite side, so I guess it's 2 half-circles put together?
>>741277171jpgs of paintings are gay. they require being a certain distance away to really get what the artist was going for. instead youre just seeing all of the individual brushstrokes up close on a computer screen thats in front of your face
>>741277126Completely wrong, anyone with a double digit IQ knows that symbolism can hold more deep meaning than human language could convey over many times the space, the only people who have your opinion are complete morons who need everything explained to them in detail or else they gain nothing from it.
>>741277150>What is "perfect" about this?anon, thats literally one of the greatest sculptures ever made
>>741264621OP completely and totally eviscerated.
>>741277330>goes on about how people talk about RETARDED MEMES>zero arguments or relation to statements>y-y-you're emotional, and a schizo!keep digging buddy, this is gold
>>741277167>Forgive them, Father, for they did not know online games cannot be paused
>>741276403You take a twitter screencap as gospel
>>741277378I know. The first time I saw it was in person the last time I was in Stockholm.Unfortunately I can't share a physical experience on 4chan, so I'm sharing a jpg.
>>741277394Yes, so you can tell me why it's "perfect", right?
>>741277449lel
>>741277171>>741277314Also the Last Supper painting on the wall has only 11 people when it should be 12 (Jesus + 11 loyal disciples + one empty seat where Judas sat before he left).
>>741277341>What's flawed about the technique, faggot? Burden of claim is on the person making the claim. You claim it to be perfect, so what is it that makes it perfect?
>>741277113>>741277341Why were Itallian artists so based?
>>741267385How can you consider snacks as food is out of my comprehension.Those are SNACKS. Made to boost your daily intakes if you need quick energy. You should not drink sugary drinks if not fermented, and all those chips are just useless for your body.Americans are top tier brainlets.
>>741277442My guy, you're the one seething at others because they prefer the techniques of realism over a painting that had to astroturfed by a dead bum's sister.
>>741276403>genuinely do not understand what art is and see everything as a "product" that can be recreated in a "better" wayRead a book
>>741264621a true visionary
>>741277476>>741277518>Hurr, what's so great about the posterchild of classical art and white culture Composition, anatomy, depiction of weight and materials
>>741277113She only has 4 fingers on each hand, AI slop
>>741277628>the Pietá is the "posterchild of white culture"The absolute fucking state of you culture warriors
>>741277530except OP is not about preference, it equates a more realistic artstyle with skill, and OP went on to relate it to modern graphics, arguing that one is *objectively* betterpls learn how to read and understand context
>>741267835It's not though, have you never had a dream before? Some of them go by sleep dream rules, some of them by hallucinogenic dream rules, but they are depictions of the human mind visualizing feelings etc..
>Andy Warhol on this thread having a crashout over real artistsLmao, go back to sucking dicks.
>>741277476Nothing. It doesn't speak to the trans experience, it doesn't speak to the POC experience. It has no value as art.
>>741270326Missing the veil on her head
>>741277694
>>741277724It is more skillful and OP prefers the more skillful rendition.
>>741277810You said "the pieta is the posterchild of white culture"McDonald's is the posterchild of white culture.
>>741264515video games?
>>741277875>impressionists paint that way because they lack skill, they just can't do it "right">ignores the second half of the postok buddy you've outed yourself, have a nice day
>>741264515It's just an imitation
>objectivelyyes, on a technical level they are because techniques have been improved in that time and new techniques have been created.>subjectivelythey're perceived about the same really. the downside is you've long passed the point of diminishing returns and are just wasting computation and man power on smaller and smaller gains.As an example, you could probably half the poly count of every asset within a modern game and only have a perceived visual quality loss of around 5-10%.Emphasis on the 'perceived'.It's art vs science.Science attempts to be exact at all costs. More poly, more real, more better.Art is the balance of the constituent elements. Allowing each the space to contribute towards a greater whole.
>>741277314just in case you're not jokingsome tables can be pulled apart to make a longer table for dinner parties
>>741265549Maybe it's because they don't have soul
>>741277958Rendering realism is objectively harder than impressionism and requires more fine techniques. You can prefer either, but the difference in skill required is a reality.
>>741277380>the only people who have your opinion are complete morons who need everything explained to them in detail or else they gain nothing from it.Exactly the opposite, you retarded fuck. Obviously as the audience you should poke around and seek meaning from art, but you should do this from within the art itself.Allegory is the artist's personal intent, and as such it's necessarily something you learn about by looking at ulterior things, like the artist's written explanations, or whatever context he existed in.This has nothing to do with interpreting art as it is. It's pseud wiki-reader nonsense.
>>741277907>"Sucking nigger-dick is the poster child of Jewish culture"Finally something we agree on.
nigga, u r mr gay soundtrack is art
>>741278137Though coming up with your own "vision" of the world, such as your own take on impressionism that depicts the world around you in a unique way that reflects the inner world, takes a skill that someone who can perfect the technique may never be able to learn.
>>741278192I don't think you comprehend how retarded what you are saying is. All of the symbolism in something like a Bosch painting is just pseud wiki reader shit because you need to have some context of the world outside of the painting for it to mean anything to you? What is this autistic nonsense.
>>741278204i see and raisehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C-_klVcf7Y
>>741278232Anyone can copy a technique used to render and impressionist painting. The general pattern of a style can be also mimicked.
>>741278478Yeah, but that's not what I said. For you to be the one to generate a new style like that on your own, or to innovate on it, is what takes vision, which is a skill that many who can perfect the technique will never understand or learn.
>>741278342>All of the symbolism in something like a Bosch painting is just pseud wiki reader shit because you need to have some context of the world outside of the painting for it to mean anything to youNo, the painting would still have meaning without symbolism and context. All paintings inherently do, and that's the only meaning that matters.
left is busy and claustrophobic as fuck
>>741270752Damn, that's good.
>>741278636If you're looking at the painting with literal zero context of human culture, religion etc. and it still has meaning then there may still be symbols being used that convey meaning, they are just archetypal symbols, instantly understood by the human mind.
>>741271110Simulator games don't get everything 100% accurate, they make changes for gameplay reasons.
>>741278569That's not really a skill, more a product of inspiration. Also, people come up with the same ideas independently all the time
>>741278952It is a skill in terms of using it and tapping into it, many people are incapable of coming up with anything unique to themselves and do not see the world in that way, they mirror it.
>>741279005The skill is in refining it but an idea alone is not a skill.
>>741277628>anatomyMary would be 11 to Jesus's 6 ft, jesus's torso is like 75% larger proportionaly than a normal human, and both their hands are bigger than they would be anatomically. Honestly it seems kind of retarded to post Michelangelo, the guy who would make huge hands, add extra ribs or create muscles that don't exist and say he's a 100% accurate depiction.>>741277113
>>741279089It is having a vision, which not everyone has the ability to generate a vision worth sharing. You might be able to play guitar just as good as your favorite guitarist but that doesn't mean you can play it in a way that inspires anything but awe at the perfection of your technique
>>741277628>white culture Michelangelo was It*lian.Italians are not white.
>>741264515But the games are objectively shittier. While graphics are an important aspect of videogames, I don't want videogames that look pretty but play like shit because the people making it don't know anything about gaming.Games used to be made by nerds who wanted to create something that they themselves wanted to play because it would be cool.Now, games are made in boardrooms by people who hate games and gamers.All they can create is walking simulators with fetch quests.
>>741277628but it's clearly not realNowhere in reality could you ever see something like this, not now and not when Michelangelo lived.How can it be perfect.
>>741279221>Italians are not whiteThey are according to uncle Adolf. :3
>>741278772Correct. And what also matters is the arrangement of those symbols and their correlation on the canvas by visual means.I'm honestly not sure to which extent I want to push that contextlessness, I would probably concede on common human knowledge, or things that a caveman would understand inherently, like the sight of a snake or something.The more a work of art fits that, the more pure it is in my opinion. The author's own word is certainly off limits. And you can disagree with that but I'm glad you worked to understand where I'm coming from.
>>741279451If you think this then it is wrong to disparage symbolism because symbolism is more than what you were implying.
>>741279498Well... yeah... you're probably right, if I'm being honest.
>>741279256It took unique skill to produce from one of the most popular masters and the renaissance has been fellated as peak art of humanity for centuries in white culture. How dare you question its perfection?I mean it just looks really really good to the eye and it's in freaking marble.
>>741277171>shoes indoorsAmericans are savages.
>>741264515Right one is more interesting to look at
Any games for this feel?
>>741278952What's with the bigass glam metal hair at that time
>>741282231Back when women weren't allowed to do jack shit, it's the men who could look fabulous instead
I hope with AI that gamedevs will see that they don't need realism and instead will just take inspiration from art.
>>741282190tf2
>>741264621SPBP
>>741280930>white cultureMichelangelo was italian, not white.>It took unique skillThere's countless statues like it by countless craftsmen, it is definitionally not "unique skill">I mean it just looks really really good to the eye and it's in freaking marble.That's what makes it perfect?
>>741264880It's criminal that this post didn't get more attention.It's not just the /v/ mindset. You've accurately diagnosed exactly the thing about social media framing that I fucking hate.They're both nice paintings. I don't need to have an opinion.
>>741268243So true check this proof of giants existing I just found, why is the government trying to cover it up?
>>741264621/thread
>>741274485It can be posted in a lot of video game threads because a lot of companies are lazy and go for "realism"
>>741264515Van Gogh’s sky and cobblestone look much better.
>>741264880>>741285262Twitter is a fucking blight on the internet
>>741268243>Graphics mean nothing!The calling card of a fake gamer who wants to have street cred. Ever since the first video game was created, graphics were the main driving force behind technological advancement that made all of your favorite games possible.>But no! My favorite game is Super Mario World!Oh no my friend, we saw over a decade of technological development before the release of that!>W-Well Atari is a bit too prima-Atari might as well be a PS6 compared to the Magnivox Odyssey or any other even more primitive machine.Trying to push the graphical envelope is good. Before you think that I mean every game needs an AAAAAAA graphical budget (they don't) or that we need to prioritize graphics over gameplay (I don't), or that I think that artstyles are useless (I don't) then you're wrong. You would not be satisfied if modern games looked like Tennis for Two. There is a certain technological boundary YOU are comfortable with.
>>741264621>why would anyone go to a movie if they can have the real thing?Because they can't. It doesn't matter if say, a story about captaining a ship is something I could technically do in life it is not going to happen and my only real way to effectively experience it would be film. People cannot do things even if they exist. I cannot go into space even though it is entirely possible to send people there. Space is real. I cannot go there.
>>741264515These are entirely different art styles. All that is being said is the poster prefers a Thomas Kincaid style over Van Goughs.
>>741264515Let's pretend left actually looked just as good.This is why context matters in art criticism. The chink was doing her shit like 100 years after Van Gogh. This why there will never be a better fighting game than Super Turbo.
>>741265018This
>>741264515>chinklovers are retardedShocking
>>741288604More innovative =/= better.See Game.com vs DS as portables with touch screens.
>>741278478>copying is the same as creating>anyone can do itthey always tell on themselves
>>741288604>super turboa re-re-release? you sort of invalidated your own point there, buddy.
>>741264515left looks like ai slop lol
>>741264880This. It’s manufactured outrage.
Is this actually meant to be a recreation, or is this xitter faggot just making a retarded comparison to another painting of a little café? Its clearly a different time of day in both pictures, left had no people in it, and the use of color isn't as striking (the contrast between the warm glow of the café and the coolness of the night sky). Both paintings are nice, but the gay wumao who made this retarded framing should of had his bloodline ended by the red army.
>>741264515>left>another boring rendition of a location that aims to simply recreate it visually without saying anything>right>expressionism that doesn't focus on the realistic details, rather aims to evoke a feeling.I'm not a fan of expressionism, but at least Van Gogh's work stands out and provides something unique. It let's the mind play make believe and fill in the blanks with your own interpretations based on how it makes you feel.
>>741264880>The Liu painting is perfectly fineIt's soulless. It doesn't communicate any emotion. Scary that people don't see that.
>>741289649pyw
>>741270326It's crazy to think that that's what she probably looked like. AI is incredible at times.
>>741276698There's a difference between "visual presentation," "illustration," "art," and "Art."
>>741264621spbp
>>741277341this is still stylized and heavily relies on chiaroscuro, which is not heavily realisroc but goes for dramatic lighting to create a story. it is realism but not perfect realism.
>>741264515Is that a giant-ass moon on the left painting? Cause if it isn't, then I don't understand why the night sky is almost white and so bright.If it isn't night time, then why are all the lamps on, and why do they cast so much warm light? Why is every other light off? Not a single window is lit. Is everyone sleeping cause it's like 4am? Then why is the café still open?All questions I don't need to make looking at the Van Gogh.
>>741264880post too smart for /v/
>>741264621/closed
>>741291440too pseud for /v/. it stands in direct comparison even without the comment because thats how it was painted. a mere chink imitation
>>741289234Game.com was a failure. SF2 was a success and every game in the genre is ultimately aping it.
>>741289375It's the same game patched four times.
>>741264515Left is good but what is extra aesthetic about Van Gogh's is the large separation of color which creates a visual effect when view from a distance. You'll notice how the yellow hues and blue hues surround each other but don't really mix. It makes it more visually distinct and is quite striking whereas as the left is more blended so the scene has less visual distinction especially when view from afar.
>>741275403I don't give a shit how much of a normalfag it makes me, I love Starry Night
>>741274364Film is literally a PICTURE OF REALITY, unless it incorporates some form of animation, it still is just reality.But sure, art doesn't attempt to reppicate reality, the Mona Lisa isn't art, after all.In fact theres no such thing as good or bad art because technicality does not factor into the quality of art, if you think something is bad art you just don't get it.>>741285902Foes the person not exist? Does the leaning tower of pisa not exist? Is the trick of the eye not a quirk of physics? This are all descriptors of physical reality.>>741288038Ive played text based games that were more entertaining than modern AAA titles. Ive had more fun playing 3.5e and gurps than I've had playing any game thats come out ib the past 5 fucking years.But sure, graphics are the eonly thibg that matters, and system power didn't drive innovation in allowing for more powerful simulations of physical system, and DF doesn't body most high end systems thtough sheer math.Now go bacm to your 13 hour essay on why Order 1886 was secretly uncut China white brilliance and why nobody understood the game was the greatest of all time because it lookeded gooder.
Bouguereauchads where we @
>>741264621God he was so fucking BASED. Thread over, industry over, TND.
>>741264515> , (left)Their retarded opinion comes as no surprise.>>741264880That's the format in which it is presented; makes no sense to fencesit a topic like this. If I ask you what color you prefer and you tell me all of them got something unique I'll just walk away.
>>741264515>anti soul gas>shit gray skybox>unnecessary clutter>no npcs>gaytracing>needlessly high poly>probably no physics objects and environmental destructionSorry nigga, the chink is souless and van gogh is soul
Uncultured masses confusing Jean Renoir for Alfred Hitchcock
>>741295048One of them is andy serkis and the other is will smith no? Or maybe that's hancockBut a cock is a cock
>>741264515right makes me think of Monkey Island
>>741294648midwit post
>>741269681"China" was invented in 1949 and the first thing they did was destroy all art and culture from their thousands of years of cultural heritage because communists can't have anything interfere with the Revolution (which really just means their slave master party government).
>>741264621damn, just like in video games
>>741270326I really needed the painting to wink or start talking
>>741264515>doesn't even paint the stars correctlyskin deep artist
Sorry OP, not buying your remakes.
>>741267385>Dum-dumskek
>DA POLISE
>>741267835this is just fantasy zone asthetics lol
Can't someone just make a GOOD fucking game?!
>>741264515lol left has night lights with a morning sky
>>741264515>chinese artist didn't copy the starry night sky and replaced it with gray smogit's the little things
Better from a technical standpoint but sloppier from an aesthetic standpoint. It's all BLURRY
Van Gogh life story is really the biggest scam.
I wouldn't be so sure about that played gothic remake for 5 mins yesterday and had to quit because performance was so awful. Had to check benchmarks if it's just me but no the game runs like shit and looks like shit. Skyrim for comparison just for the memes.
>>741264515Van Gogh died with only one certainty in life: He was a terrible artist.And that's because people couldn't stop saying he was terrible all the time.
>>741267768>>741267835unironically looks like AI slop
>>741264621This is a very Jew thing
>>741304156100% french parents
ignore chinese thread
>>741271110True, rimworld is pretty realistic. They shouldn't have done that.
>>741303693The first one looks like it because it is it
>>741264621Unrefuted btw
>>741268243absolute fucking retard
>>741307712That is what happens when dumb people feel confident enough to try to have deep, insightful thoughts about a topic. Possibly an opinion paraphrased poorly from someone smarter than him who had a unique vision for their own filmmaking and wanted to shit on their contemporaries.
>>741264621Me when I'm bad at photography and rely on photoshop tools to fix all my mistakes.
>>741308161that's not hitchcock
>>741264947this, the real china has never been tried
>>741267929What game, /v/?
>>741308472this nigga lmao
>>741304156I like how you guys go seamlessly from "abstract art is jewish" to "realism is forced by jews" depending on the context
>>741309473things make a lot more sense when you remember that the internet is not a hive mind but a collective of schizos that can momentarily agree. stupid kike
>>741309560the common denominator is how can I spin this to blame the people I don't like
>>741309646>How can I blame the result of a jewish racket on the jewish racket.Easily.
>>741309560Isn't it a form of insanity to believe that the internet is populated by a few people who happen to be insane rather then it being a ton of people with their own lives and ideas that you don't understand and never will? Oh and bots, response algorythms, and shills paid nickels a post.
>>741308161>Le films es le art you le hekin chudOkay, retard. Im sure Call of Marvel Avengers 4: White People are the Devil, as directed by Rabbi Schlomobagelstein is "art" and "deep".Theres nothing artistic about film. Hell, video games are borderline the same. Might as well call photography fucking art, as if theres something artistic about you taking the same fucking picture that 100,000 other indie dipshit hipsters have taken of a downtown road in the middle of a downpoor using a 52mm lens, using a 5ms exposure shot.You prattling twits regurgitate the same fucking opinions when it comes to film, as if you haven't all gotten your "tastes" in film from pretentious hacks like RLM, as though your prefrences in dogshit somehow make you sophisticated. Love to break it to you, but you're consooming bread and circus goyslop no matter how you dress it up, and no amount of self inflicted brain damage changes this.Your very nature is that of a pig for Kike "film makers", now dance for your masters, pig.
>>741277113you are fucking stupid and missed the point.the sculpture you posted is still far from 'realistic'. technique that captures the little details and folds of fabric etc. and the skill required in its execution != perfect imitation of realityan equivalent example would be a 3D printed tussauds type sculpture like pic related
>>741308804why the fuck are so many infrastructure projects in china so shoddily build?>>741309473astraction is jewish in official anti kike lore. realism is chinky and pajeetcoded.
>>741294648That anon who said go watch a behind the scenes featurette was right dumbass. Film does not capture reality at all, the reason for this is partly the same reason that a painting never captures reality as it captures what someone wants you to see and only what they want you to see.
>>741310510You thinking of idealism. The goal of scultpures back then was to capture ideal forms using techniques that would make them lifelike and realistic.
>>741268243>Hitchcock was a dumbass, because film by its very nature captures the perfect essence of realitExcept it doesn't because film is, by nature, the perfect illusion. Pictures don't actually move, we just think they do because it's putting a bunch of still frames together and changing them fast enough.You absolute fucking chode, you came to the exact opposite conclusion. The perfect "essence of reality" is OUTSIDE JUST GO OUTSIDE.
>>741310640Fucking hell, its like trying to explain per capita to fucking porch monkeys, is film not literal pictures of reality? Do the actors and sets not exist in the real world? >BUH BUH BJH MUH KINO LE STORENot art. By its very nature is not art, nevermind the virtue of film being a commercial product meant for bread and circus untermench.Paintings at their most artistic merit try and immitate life like a photograob, with the artistry found in the sheer skill and technique required to acomplish such a feat within the confines and constraints placed upon the artist.Paintings are an immitation of life, which is what makes them beautiful, because in their attempts to mimic reality they become hyper real. Film is the exact opposite because not only does it perfectly capture reality with no skill required by the creator, the end result is fucking slop, or "content" as you leering retards like to call it.Behind the scenes bullshit isnt art either because film can never be art to begin with. Its not even an apples to oranges comparison, it's fucking kangaroos and 99.999% silicon dioxide.
>>741311712>is film not literal pictures of reality? No.>Do the actors and sets not exist in the real world?Yes.
>>741264621/Thread
>>741309473Both can be true
>>741310531frauds and fools in places of power
>>741310270lol
>>741264515I bet this woman felt very smart when she posted this shit.
>>741266391China has nothing to do with it besides the painter. The person who made the tweet was 100% some bored white woman from the US.
>>741264880>stop comparing my remake to the original and seeing that it's objectively inferior
>>741268243>a 2D picture captures 3D reality
>>741277528>Those are SNACKSnothing there is actual food moron
>>741264515Left is shockingly amateurish (we're talking Hitler levels) and I'm amazed whoever made that tweet had nothing better to use
>>741267385>3x12 boxes of sprite>3x12 boxes of mountain dew>8 bags of random chips and other similar junk food>2 boxes of high sugar cereal-like food>3 boxes of lunchables>2 boxes of oreos>3 boxes of some half prepared food product, probably mac and cheese>1 frozen pizza>1 frozen pasta>1 bag of stuffed pastryAll that shit is worthless to buy, remove that shit and buy actual ingredients that can be used several times to make several meals and you've got more out of every dollar than all that junk food that'll give diabetes, cholesterol and fatty liver to your kids.
>>741267579She bought basically only pepsico chips, those niggers thought they were the top niggas around and increased the prices massively over the past 6 years, so now a bag of doritos was like 10 or 12$.
>>741264947>>>>>>>Its too late. Ive already seen the mountain sides painted green and the dying trees with stapled leaves
>Realism vs art argument againAll stlye (Realism, absurdism, surrealism, anime, western art, religious iconography, classicism, whatever) is ALWAYS based on realism at its core. All style is a deliberate breaking of rules of the world by someone who understands them enough to break them well. You cant paint a great abstract landscape without knowing what makes a normal one, you cant make an alien creature without knowing what makes humans and animals appealing. You might talk about the "Muh fundies" meme all you want but even the artists who seem to ignore them yet suceed end up that way because they have a grasp of what makes the world real and how to work from that.Beefing between realism and style is the most juvenile and retarded art conversation one could have. Its a fucking ying and the yang, not Eris and Harmonia. One compliments the other, and the latter enhances the former.Fuck you.
>>741264556Unironically lol
>>741277113This is not perfect realism by any means, it rings true but it's not perfect. Which is why it's great.
>>741264621based, games have to be fun, fuck graphics, we are not in 2007 anymore.
>>741264621the solution isn't to go full abstract and meaningless like a fucking chump, but to hone your skill to the point you can realistically depict the impossible
>>741264621>hitchcock was a dumbasswe really need some kind of educational program for /v/tards. wouldn't take too much effort to double their IQs
>>741318667the irony of this post
>>741318667>hitchcock
>>741318667The memetics surrounding Vann Gogh and Hitchcock are both more inpressive than their actual works. When you experience you're experiencing validation of being a part of the culture built around them. It's the same sort of thing journalists did to the Souls franchise.
>>741274295
>>741264621Sorry, you may hold the title of the best Hitchcock impersonator of '63, but that doesn't mean I should take your opinions seriously
>>741264515>The graphics are objectively better today
>>741267579Looks like got some Wegman's deli meat and cheese in there. So those bags alone are close to 10 each depending on the cut.Otherwise pic is probably closer to 70-90 even at this expensive period.
>>741308804How do bugs have no preservation? Wtf would you stand there looking for so long on the road?>>741310531Low regulation enforcement. Society that greatly values taking short cuts on materials as long as it can pass.
>>741264515I don't like realism. It says nothing about the artist, other than they have no imagination. I do however like absurdism, and surrealism. There's a certain whimsy to seeing this art, almost like taking a look inside the dreams of the artist.
>>741267385I don't care about the content of the post being bad, the fact he put the food on the ground for the photo is utterly detestable to me
>>741264621>game, 2000>looks awesome, as a kid, in 800x600, have fun>game, 2000 in 2026>looks goofy but might have fun>game 2026>looks "realistic" , but is an anti fun shitfest>clutter, no details, nothing to see and imaginethis guy is right if i want to see ultra realistic plants i'll go outside. make a fun game nigga
>>741264515Genuinely the left painting looks like shit compared to the right.
>>741275963>This painting (negro for scale) doesn't need an explanation, when you see it you instantly understand it, even if you can't quite put it into words.I'm an artist and I don't understand it. It's orange squares. Frankly all of abstract art like this is dumb garbage, the fact this is in a gallery instead of actual fine art is a joke
>>741264515if you look at a van gogh technically you are automatically retardedimpressionism is not about getting realistic perspective or shapes, its about telling people what feeling you are experiencing in that moment when you look at a lit up restaurant at night while a dark alley is in the corner of your eye and the sky is still shining with starsthe painting on the left doesn't transmit any feelings, its just "hey there's a restaurant in the late evening I guess" and its not even that technically impressive to begin with because the sky is almost white for some fucking reason
Graphictards must be purged from existence
>>741323446And what feelings does the painting on the right transmit?Especially if you asked someone that didnt realize it was Van Gogh? Most western artists were hacks, outside of some true geniuses like Michelangelo. We only like them because we were fed by propaganda to idolize them since we were 5. Hang those paintings in a random restaurant and nobody would bat an eye.
>>741323647>And what feelings does the painting on the right transmit?it represents the contrast between a sanctuary, safe light against the lack of human connection in the dark alley, the lit up starry sky is an invitation to look into the universe and remember that it's still there in the background even when our lives pass by us>Especially if you asked someone that didnt realize it was Van Gogh?you'd have to be quite ignorant not to recognize it since its his most famous painting ever
>>741324320lol aboslutely nothing on the right would trigger those emotions any more than the left side would trigger other emotionsAnd I would imagine a younger person would have a pretty good chance of not recognizing it and I guarantee you they wouldnt see anyhting special
>>741309473Learn to play both sides goy
>>741310270based
