Is this true, /v/? You can be a fan of a franchise you've never played and claim it as your favorite?
To whom am I begging to be validated by.
>>741271857For talking about the story i guess if its comprehensive enough, for talking about the gameplay not a chance
I hate fandom culture so much its unreal
>>741271857what if you just see posts about resident evil on facebook
>>741271857>Is this true, /v/?no, it's just cope for zoomies and journalists
the absolute state of zoomgroids
>>741271857nah u gotta play the game or watch an adaptationshit like the last of us, dmc, persona and shit count if you only watch the show/movie
I’m a huge Pulp Fiction fan but I’ve never watched the movie I just watch memes online and play as Vincent in Fortnite.
>>741271857You can claim anything you fucking want. For example: I'm claiming OP is an off topic shithead who needs to be booted to the /trash/.
>>741271857correct for sony moviegames, because there isnt much of a game anywayincorrect for actual games
>>741271857Considering what qualifies as a game nowdays I can see it
>>741272021…Vincent is in Fortnite?>look it upWow, this game has everyone. I mean I’m not gonna play it again but still, impressive work.
>>741271857That’s like huge fans of Cummins’s that never lived in communist countries
>>741271857To make it relevant for here, you should be asking if you can truly HATE a videogame you have never played yourself.
>>741271857My favourite food is lobster bisque cause I watched a mukbang!
A paralel would be criticizing a movie when you only read the script, or a song when you read the tabs, the execution is what counts.
No. If you watch streamers you are a streamer fan not a video games fan.
>>741272124I fucking hate zoomers so fucking much holy fucking shit
>>741271857here's a better one
>>741272258He says when Millenials built most of their culture around being pretentious posers and got mocked hard for it.
>>741271857The fact this mindset is no longer ridiculed en masse is proof humanity has fallen from grace.
>>741271857There are levels to it. You're a fan, just in a limited sense.
This >>741271905 and this >>741272283 are faces of the same medal.The only way someone would want to be a fan of something is by gaining short-term validation from someone else.
>>741272342can a game you never played be your favorite?
>>741272258>>741272324Intergenerational hate is retarded. You're being manipulated into pointless division.
>>741271857Just because something is valid doesn't mean it's true.
What does being a fan mean?
>>741271857>You do not have to have butt sex to be gay, having a shit opinion makes you just as much to a flaming faggot Hmm, checks out, desu.
>>741272419Something about a true scottsman.
>>741271857You do not have to hear a song to be a fan of it
>>741272353Holy ESL, it's "two sides of the same coin"
>>741272371Humanity is getting more and more retarded. He's absolutely righteous in hating the younger generations.
>>741272369I guess if you don't play games at all and have nothing to compare it with. It can easily be your favorite in some category, like favorite soundtrack or character designs though. Maybe if you love those enough to outweigh everything else about games? Very unlikely, but I understand having a fascination with a game you haven't tried yet. That's what gets people to play new games, so I'd expect someone like that to actually try the game at some point.
>>741271857You can be a fan of a game franchise without playing the games, but you can't be a fan of those games without playing them.Plenty of people engage with fandom without engaging with the source works. See Touhou, Deltarune, and Guilty Gear for examples.It's a little silly, but for those people the community is the fun part, not the products that created it.Notably being a fan isn't something to be proud of in the first place. Basing your identity on your media consumption habits is retarded. Doing so as a secondary is doubly retarded since you don't even actually like the thing enough to try it.
>>741272324I do not deny that Millennials are flaming retarded faggots, but Zoomers had the chance to course correct and go against us, like how Gen X did for Boomers.
>>741271857imagine being a gamedev working so hard on something only for someone to want to be attached but not actually engage with it this is why fandom is a fucking cancer it was always about bullshit socialization that's why you have people that bitch about horny shit but still want to be "fans" of horny anime for example
>>741271857
>>741271857ok but when I hate on a game I never played but know all about it from streamers and video essays, all of a sudden its. >YOU NEVER PLAYED SO YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT CHUD!!
>I kinda sorta like the idea of liking thing so that makes me a fan of thing!I have poser culture fatigue and it's not even zooomers, I've seen many retards my age (ie. old) doing this shit for a long while now, zooomers are just falling for it too
>>741272557Don't worry frogposter, you don't have to play a game to be a hater.
>>741271857The only people arguing for this are weird fucks that want to be fans of a thing without being interested in that thing.
>>741271982The state of milleniuncs to fall for and seethe at such poor and brown bait.
>>741271857NoYou are not a fan of the game, you are a fan of watching itEasy example, I like watching Welcome to The Game streams when a new game comes outI would NEVER touch that shitIf you would rather watch a game than play it, you don't like playing, thus you don't like the game, and you are not a fan of the game
>>741272527>Zoomers had the chanceDid they, really?They grew with social media being the standard communication system. There are people out there that do not even know the concept of piracy. Like, they cannot fathom another way to consume media without paying a subscription, the concept is foreign to them.GenAlpha is even worse since they were handed a tablet since they were toddlers so that they stop crying.Humanity attention span is utterly fucked.
>>741272371who manipulated zoomers into being broccoli hair speedrun autists? they chose to be tiktok-scrolling retards themselves
>>741271857yes
>>741272731>soulsslop>elite gamernormalfags are just such subhuman cretin I can't stand reading their shitty opinions
>>741272731>I want to play bloodborne seeing as everyone won't shut up about it.>can play all other souls games but won't until i play BB >refuse to look up lore, streams or anything on how to play these games i know are hard as fuck until i play BBI'm i doing it right?
For the average normalfag, yes. Getting into games takes money, and effort which the average young normalfag doesn't have access to but social media drama and the like is always easy and free so people connect with things that way and that's how it's been for years.
Bait aside, there are games I like the art direction, character design, or music from but I don't like the games, so I can understand people thinking this way. But calling yourself a fan just seems like an unclear way of speaking. If they just said something like "I like the characters but never played it", less people would be upset.
>>741272853>can play all other souls games but won't until i play BBWhat the fuck is stopping you?
What about wrestling?Can the fans not be wrestlers or are they just fake fans?
>>741272486Don't go splitting fur with me.
>>741271857>type texts on ms paint>IS THS TRUE /V/?????fuck off
>>741271857Do me a solid, would you repost my image in the subreddit, instagram, discxord or X where you found yours?Kthanx.
>>741272283Lonely, at Farmers Only Dot Com
>>741273027I was actually going to explain why you are a fucking retard, BUT I will instead just call you a fucking retard
>>741271857I've never driven a Lamborghini. I think they look cool, I'm sure there's some interesting mechanical designs with its engine, and lets assume I've sat in one and really enjoyed the seating. Am I fan of Lamborghini cars should that be the case? Of course not. I don't drive them, I don't own them, my experience is incredibly limited, there's no way I can be a fan. I think it's okay to say that I'm a fan of how they look, or their engines or whatever, but to just straight up say "Yeah I'm a fan", that's silly. The same applies to video games.
>>741273258I don't have feelings, your intentions are wasted on me and all I see is that you feel attacked and have no way of defending yourself.
>>741271857Most sportsfans have never tried out the sport themselves (barring some obvious exceptions like football), so from that pov it makes sense.
>>741271857There are multiple franchises I have over 1000+ hours in and I still don't consider myself a fan, so I guess the reverse can also be true.
>>741271857No. I watch playthroughs of games I refused to buy to feel vindication. If I am interested in a game, I just play it.
>>741271857Fact: Fan is short for Fanatic not "Vaguely interested in"
>>741271857This is like saying you can be a fan of a tv show or movie because you saw random clips all over tiktok and youtube.
Why should I care about what cunts on Twitter are calling themselves fans of?
>>741271857Stop making this thread you schizo retard.
You can absolutely be a fan. But I wouldn't consider your opinion valid on things like controls, gameplay, or anything that requires direct engagement. If someone were to say they liked some aspect of the game's art style, how the story is presented, or the music, that's fine. But saying, "The gameplay is boring/the controls are janky," when you have only watch a playthrough is nonsense.It may not be the best comparison, but to me it's like being a "fan" of a painting or artist. You can point out what you like, not how nice the colors are, how impressive the shading is, the line work, tons of things. But don't try to say something like, "Anyone could draw this," when you haven't even picked up a paint brush. You can certainly appreciate or criticize aspects that are on the surface level, but trying to discuss the nitty-gritty behind the process and implementation of everything is dumb.So if someone told me they were a fan of a game but had only watched a live stream of it, fine, cool. Tell me your thoughts on the story, characters, graphics, art style, music, all that. But don't try to discuss the actual gameplay or controls when you never even played it.
>>741271857Not really.I've been watching let's plays and streams for more than half of my life. In all that time I've come to realize it just isn't the same.In terms of the story, when you're watching these videos/streams, you're primarily there for the dude that's playing it. The funny man giving funny commentary. He'll be talking over the game, going on unrelated tangents and conversations. It splits your attention, like trying to read a book while someone is talking to you. You don't absorb the words well, details get glossed over, whole revelations can seem less meaningful given you've got one eye on the sheets one eye on the streets. Maybe (probably) you're not even watching and just have it on in the background. You're not wholly there.Gameplay is obviously you are not there period. The guy playing the game is the one controlling the character and making all the decisions. You're just watching him make those decisions. You cannot tell me about how the game is balanced for example when you don't even know how the game actually plays and probably don't have a full grasp of why the player made this move or gave them this equipment.A personal example for me is Kingdom Hearts. I only experienced the numbered games through a stream. Everyone loves KH2, but I thought it was gay and lame compared to the first game where it was a lot more straightforward and primarily focused on the actual premise of the series. However, people seem to like the combat of 2 much more, and I frankly couldn't even really tell you what the plot of any of the games is anymore since it's been a while. Thus I do not give my opinions on KH because I do not know what I'm talking about.Trying to pass it off as if it were the same, they probably don't really play games that much in the first place.
>>741271857This is true but your opinion is worthless if you don't use a product for its intended purpose. So you can be a fan but need to shut up.And that's impossible.
>"If you watch other people play football but don't play it yourself, are you a fan?">General agreement among people>"If you watch other people play video games but don't play them yourself, are you a fan?">Endless discussion, debate, figuring out to what extent someone has to play, etcNot even angry or anything, it's just kind of funny the difference. The real discussion should be about whether someone has a right to say a game is good or bad if they haven't played it rather than whether they're a fan.
You don’t need a womb to be a woman
True. I never played Xenogears, I just listened to a cute girl play it and explain the story to me. Had I played it I probably would've hated it and also not grasped the story since I'm not super familiar with Gnosticism.
>>741271857False
>>741274435That was a man
>>741271857you don't need a computer to learn microsoft word either
>>741274720>he didn't learn to code on paperthat's why modern codemonkeys are absolute shit
>>741271857None of the zoomers posting here play games
>>741271857What happened to modern education? Why people have become so mentally retarded that they think this sort of opinion is valid? Are they fucking children?
>>741271857Yeah but why do you want to be called a fan if you don't even enjoy playing the game
>>741271857one still has to blow to call himself a fan. which is why fans are such insufferable faggots.
>>741271857can I be a fan if I only masturbate to the characters or is that not heckin' valid?
>>741271857Fans of anything have never needed to do the things they're fans of to be fansBut their opinions have exactly 0 weight to it, its why people mock "couch players" endlessly bitching when pro football players do a mistake or miss a goal
>>741271857This shit is so cancerous holy shit.
The most retarded thing about larpers is that they latch on to their identity as a fan of something they haven't experienced so they can engage with the community when, in my experience, engaging with the community is typically the worst part of being a fan of something.
>>741271857Children should not be allowed to use social media.
>>741271857Quick /v/ name the game/franchise.
>>741274784>he didn't learn to code on dot punched cards and learned to code on paperngmi
>>741275117Silent HillResident EvilElden Ring/Dark Souls/Bloodborne
Pass judgement on me, /v/.I watched Lets Plays of MGS1-4, then played 5 myself and enjoyed it. Am I an MGS fan?
>>741275117Danganronpa and Persona
>>741271857isn't that /v/? no one here plays videogames but everyone has an opinion
>>741273475But the best defense for retards is justpoint and laugh at then
>>741271857Nah, it's not "valid".A game is meant to be played, a book is meant to be read, a movie is meant to be watched etc. no amount of sophistry will make it otherwise. Ultimately the people who constantly seek validation know they're wrong, but they hope someone else will "validate" their wrong opinion.
>>741275179>5no, you are not
Secondary tourists should be ground into mulch, that's how fucking worthless them and their "opinions" are.
>>741272124I imagine that on modern systems emulating anything up to N64 generation is a total non-issue. And Gamecube/Dreamcast emulation should also be pretty good now, no idea how PS2 is looking.
>>741276356>no idea how PS2 is lookingi was emulating Shadow of the colossus at estable frame rate 10 years ago, it should be perfect now
>be a fan of trains>never drove a trainDisgusting. Deserves to be removed from society.
>>741271857>you do not have to play a game to be a retardCorrect.
>>741271857Yes, with the caveat that being a fan does not confer any authority on you whatsoever. The only people who disagree are fans of things who want to be seen as authoritative purely on that basis. Being a fan of something means jack shit and is even likely to distort your opinions in dumbass ways.To be taken seriously in a discussion you need to know what you're talking about, and you can do that whether you're a fan, an outright hater, or just a curious observer. But just being one of those isn't enough.So people who start adoring a game from watching videos of it can be considered fans, because whether they're "true fans" is not something anyone should give a fuck about. But it would be bad if they pretended to know how the game feels to play when they've never played it.
Is it true kids these days just watch faggots on twitch play games instead of playing the games themselves?What went so wrong?
>>741271857No, you cannot be a fan of a franchise without taking part in its primary aspectDepending on the franchise there may be scope limitations. You can certainly be a fan of Star Wars without having read every Extended Universe book and comic.You can't be a fan of Star Wars if you've never seen the original trilogy.The primary aspect of games is that they are interactive - watching someone else play a game is not the same experience. Watching a "video essay" about it is even more removed.Watching someone play Deus Ex is nothing like actually playing it yourself. Hell, you probably wouldn't even hit the same story beats, so even the "I just want the story" argument won't work.
>>741271857Does this apply to gacha? Can I coom to gacha sluts without playing their game?
>video essayis that the euphemism for "pretentious slop by some faggot who somehow thinks the world needs to hear his opinions in a 47 minute video"?
>>741271857>you don't have to listen to songs to be a fan>watching others describe it is just as valid>you don't have to watch a movie to be a fan>hearing others talk about it is just as valid>you don't have to have sex to not be a virgin>watching others is just as validcuck mentality.
>>741271857Of course it is true. People can read the book for you and improvise the movie for you. You of course can be a fan in these cases. Triple cucked fan of second handed experience.
>>741271857I don't like all the elitist gatekeeping, like "muh you have to have 100% completed a game to be a true fan" or "You need to have beaten every game in the series 5 times to be a real fan", but if you never actually played a game or just played it once for 10 hours, didn't even finish the thing then drop it, you cannot call yourself a real fan.The one exception is ultra hardcore games like Battletoads NES. I think you can be a fan of those without ever having finished one if you tried hard enough and have many hours in it.
>>741271857What does "being a fan" even mean? Talking about the game with other people? They won't consider you an authority on it even if you played it more than them. In fact, if you're better than others at the game they'll probably hate you for it and call your opinions about it irrelevant because you're "sweating" or whatever zoomers call being dedicated to improvement. So what's the actual difference?There's only one thing I could personally vouch for. Watching others play games I didn't care about or had a bad impression of did help me understand their appeal better. I did become a fan of them by playing them myself later. It's not the same thing but this I can understand.
>>741271857You can be a "fan", but it is shallow and performative if you don't have interest in it enough to engage with the material yourself. That's fine, but when you come across actual fans who have invested their time and effort into their material of choice, you are beneath them until you do the same.
>FACT: You do not have to buy a game to play a game
>>741271857I am pretty sure if you watch a streamer to play some game, you aren't a fan of the game you are a fan of the streamer. You would need some personal involvement with the game to still classify as a fan if you're watching streamers or video essays of a game.
Identifying as a "fan" of something is peak cringe
>>741277603>effortPlaying a video game you genuinely enjoy and are a fan of should be a fun time, not "effort".If you have to make "effort" to play the game, you are not a true fan.
>>741277321>in a 47 minute video11:29:47, a short retrospective it is a plot summary and the narrator rambles over the same point multiple times to inflate the video length for ad spaces
Is pressing buttons too difficult for people?
>>741277679Climbing a mountain takes effort, I guess there's no such thing as a real mountaineer.
>>741277690i miss the days when "that's a long video, damn" meant 10 or 15 minutes
>>741277754Yes, climbing a mountain takes more effort than playing a video game you enjoy or watching a movie you enjoy, SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!
>>741277815I still think that because I actively watch the videos I put on rather than just having them for background noise because I am deathly afraid of being alone with my own thoughts.
>>741271857You can be a fan alright but I won't be taking any of your takes in regards to gameplay seriously.
>>741271857Depends on the game.Some I would say yes, some I would absolutely say no.If it's a walking simulator narrative game, yeah, you can be a fan without playing it. I don't like Undertale/Deltarune, but I think you can be a fan of it without necessarily needing to buy it for yourself if you're just watching all the content on YouTube. There is precisely NO difference in experience between playing it personally and watching someone else play it, because it's just an easter egg hunt of visual novel narrative content. You either see the content or you don't, who's at the controls doesn't matter.Can you be a fan of Halo without playing it? Hell no. The whole experience of playing Halo is the gameplay, if you've never played it, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yes there's lore content, but if you only watch videos about the lore content you are genuinely missing the point of the games as an experience.
I sometimes watch jewtube videos on game sI never play too, but that doesn't make me a "fan" of those games because most of the time I forget they existed the next day and I obviously am not passionate enough to even play those games.You are only a true fan of the games you played yourself.
>>741277690I like long videos and essay content, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.I do think the quality is wildly variable, though. I fucking hate content where it's just some faggot rambling completely unscripted for hours and hours cooming to the sound of his own voice.But the flaw isn't with the longform video format, it's with the fact that lazy cocksuckers don't put in any effort.
>>741277690>>741278017I like such videos as sop to listen to while doing something else.And I avoid them for games I actually care about unless I have 100%ed said games because spoilers.
>>741271857>dude i'm in love with this TV series>have you been watching it for long?>I've never watched any episodes but i know this guy at work who during lunchbreak keeps me updated with the new plot developments
>>741277863If playing video game is that easy, why are you complaining?
>>741277679>you are not a true fan.How so?
>>741278567If you enjoy a video game, playing it should be more than easy. It should be a fun time you enjoy.If you don't enjoy a video game, you are not a fan.And also if you don't scae a mountain, you are not a real mountaineer but scaling a mountain is much harder than playing a video game you enjoy.
you can be a fan of any sports without actively playing them. why can't that be the case for videogames?
>>741279070>you can't enjoy hard gamesretard>but scaling a mountain is much harderyou are contradicting yourself0/10 bait
>>741271857Yeah. I thing /sp/ sets strong precedence here - for various sports many of its fans never actually tried that particular sport even once.Same principle should apply to vidya.
>>741279137>you can be a fan of any sports without actively playing themNo, you can't. You don't like sport, you like watching others play sport.>"b-but"Don't care.
>>74127185790% of FNAF fans who obsessively theorized over the series watched someone else play it before they played it themselves.
>>741279473great argument
>>741279552>they were fake fans until they played the gameYes, I agree.>>741279595Thank you!
>>741279647Not really what I was saying. When a series is explicitly created as streamer bait, then the community is the content more than the game itself is. Because let's be real, what actually happens in FNAF1? Some kids got murdered in the past, something called "The Bite of 87" happened, and now a dude named Mike Schmitt has sot survive 5 nights in a location where animatronics try to kill you. That's FNAF1, but that's not what drew people to it.
watching streamers is subhuman behaviorcaring about whether other niggers consider you to be a fan or not is also subhuman behavior
can you call yourself heterosexual if you've never had sex with a woman
>>741271857No. Only hatred can be real in that circumstance.Love will never be.I have played a grand total of 5 hours of the entire Dark Souls franchise including Sekiro, Bloodborne and Elden Ring. It makes my blood boil that such a pathetic game is showered with acclaim when it is so slow and easy.
>>741279762You can because sexuality is about being aroused but you can't call yourself fan of sex.
>>741272527Gen X did absolutely nothing except be sarcastic while convincing themselves that not caring about things going to shit is cool as shit.
>>741271857you wouldn't call yourself a fan of movies if you only ever watch the trailers and/or youtuber reviews and never the actual movie, would you?
>>741272853Anon, you're old enough to realize that none of the Sony exclusives turn from "greatest thing ever" into "it's ok" the moment they go multi plat.
>>741279762It's more like saying you like having sex but never having sex.
you can't be a fan of an actor if you haven't professionaly acted yourself
>>741276356I played Wild Arms 5 fine on my potato laptop over 8 years ago.
>>741271857At the end of the day you're not a true fan unless you play the damned game yourself
>>741280180You are not a fan of acting if you never acted yourself and only watched others act. You are a fan of an actor if you like watching him act.
>>741279952Still not as bad as Boomers
>>741276356>no idea how PS2 is looking.There's about a 3% chance it vents mustard gas out of your PC, which to me is still unacceptably high.
>>741271857Call them a larper and move on, that really rustles their jimmies
>>741271857No, it's not true.
>>741279282>you can't enjoy hard gamesNever said that. Merely was stating that you don't need to nessesarily beat hard games to enjoy then unlike easy games which you should beat if you enjoy them.Fuck you, nigger!
>>741276356Your comment has a real retro feel to it.
>>741272124>muh classismholy faggot they should be gatekept harder
>>741285002>troon flag
>>741285002and that's a good thingpoors have piracy and emulation so they don't get to complain
>>741279552i can't believe i played the first game blind in a computer lab before i even learned it had an autistic fandom
is this an earthbound thread
*taps sign*
tourist hits harder than larper but the latter is so funny
>>741271857I'm not even a fan and I'll play the game and they all have fault nothing is perfect you like what you like if it's shit that's your opinion.
>>741272371let me guessit's le jews again?
>>741271857I am Sony's biggest fan. I haven't spent a cent on Sony but I've watched all of their games!
More importantly, I can easily shitpost about games I will never play
>>741272124>>741285002>>741285321i really dont get these people who say telling people to play the game is classist. decent emulators are widely available to be played on shitty old phones nowadays. its just a question of if youre a retard who doesnt know how to navigate folders or not
>>741271857No. lmao
>>741272557This lmao.
>>741285321>the whole mapKEK
I watched a 3 hour video essay on House Of Leaves while grinding The Surge, but ive never even looked at the book's cover.Am i a House Of Leaves fan, or a The Surge fan?
>>741273343You're smarter than 95% of car guys then. Fucking bench racers who argue based on spec sheets and youtube videos but don't eve have a licence.
>>741285790Neither, you're just a consumer
>>741271857If someone can't make an effort to engage with the media in the way it was meant to be experienced, then no, they are not a fan.
>tourists trying to compare video games to everything else to justify themselvesalready instant loss
>>741271857>FACT: here's my opinion bro.
>>741271857i prefer the reverse because people should be paid to watch vivzieslop
>>741285790you're my next rape victim
>>741277561it was so much better back then when it was just "elitist gatekeeping", because participating in the medium significantly was a prerequisite
>>741271857>video essayLol
>>741277273Yes, you're a coom fan
>>741286216You couldn't pay me to watch vivzieslop, I would rather die
>>741277273i remember when mobile games weren't considered games, now people are arguing that gacha games are gamesgambling for images isn't a game
>>741271857Its true. I can be a fan of Senran Kagura and Neptunia and jack off to it without ever playing it
>>741287604you're more of a fan of the porn of the IP and not of the IP itself, that can't be that hard to say
>>741271857..wouldn't this just mean you're a fan of the person playing the game?i feel like this is more aimed at sports than video games
>>741271857Why would I be a fan of anything?It's a loaded marketing buzzword created by corporate marketing rats.Implies forming a parasocial relationship with a fucking corporate product, so that I instead become their product to be exploited, gaslit, manipulated, emotionally blackmailed because of the parasocial relationship.A worthless moniker where you try to excuse being a tool with manufactured elitism.
>>741285790you are the only house of leaves fan
>>741279762by this logic, everyone would have to call themselves asexual until they’ve had sex at least once, whereupon they gain the status of heterosexual or homosexual depending on the partner (with the possibility that a second partner could confer the status of bisexual if they were a different sex than the first partner)
>>741271857I like Deadly Premonition because I watched the GiantBomb playthrough back in the day. I wouldn’t call myself a fan though.
>>741276356I remember loading Dolphin in 2008 on a shitty laptop, and it handled every game I threw at it at full speed.
>>741287786you sure are fun at partiesbet you'd kill your own bloodline if the jews told you to procreate
>>741288109the only 6th gen console that needs to catch up in the emu scene is the original XBox
>>741273027Yes, but you have to fake wrestle in the living room. If you real wrestle in a sports club or some shit, then you're a fake fan of fake wrestling.
are you a fan of a franchise if you’ve only played the numbered entries and none of the spinoffs?
>>741288501yes, obviously
>>741273027Considering that wrestling is entirely fake, they're as much fans of it as are fans of stage plays.
>>741288196I am fun at parties. Don't know what the Jew comment is about, one would expect you'd go the opposite route and state that Jews would be mad with me for being able to let go of corporate slop and entertainment products easily because I don't attach myself emotionally to them to a level Jews would want me to, but hey it's opposite day in your brain I guess.
>>741271857true, I'm a fan of pathologic (after watching the long story essay), but I will never be strong enough to finish the cursed game though.
How could anyone agree. The larpers should fuck off
>>741288667>pretending not to understandtypical lefty
I loved when SF6 revealed Ingrid and one of the tweets I saw said "Ingrid mains looking forward to playing Ingrid for the first time"
>>741288843Why?
>>741277273sure but knowing the lore behind them can make your coom sessions more intense.
>>741289073An interesting failure on your part to counter someone saying they refuse to pay for your woke corporate slop and easily disassociate themselves from corporate slop and entertainment brands so they can burn in Hell without any of my money or emotional attachment keeping a corpse alive. You need to train a lot more with your rhetoric, now go back to having your blast in not-Concord or something.
>>741288501Obviously>>741287786How very unique. If you like something you, by definition, are a fan of it whether you like the word or not. Did you mean to say you don’t like the term?>>741287604Why do you pride yourself on being a gooning loser? Would you not like a girlfriend? Do you enjoy your virginity?>>741285981Truke
>>741275293that's just a misconception. oldfags played so many games decades ago they can immediately tell when something sucks dick.
>>741289142>the lore of the images you gamble to getanon...
>>741289224that's what a leftist would say
>>741275293Because it’s an anonymous image board it is ripe for larping. Anons have drastic opinions about all types of games, old and new, even though they haven’t played them. That in and of itself isn’t a bad thing, I’ve said enough bad things about RE4R even though I haven’t played it, but I feel informed enough to comment since I’ve played the original, played every other number entry in the series and I have a excellent sense of taste.
>>741289289>If you like something you, by definition, are a fan of itNo I'm not.I can invest time in something and like it, but if I don't pay for it, don't fund it anymore, and if I can let go of it easily and treat my time invested so far as a done deal not worth pursuing anymore as I invest elsewhere, in other words growing up; then I'm anything but a fan. Fan derives from fanatic, fanatic has a clear strong definitional connection to treating a corporate product or a creative product almost on the parasocial level you'd treat your family and parents and friends, if not more for some especially mentally crippled retards who are useful idiots for corporate. That's just cancer.Nah, I'm fine with being a casual, or a tourist, or any other definition. So long as I'm not scammed out of my money and can avoid paying out for corpses and slop.
>>741285637The only thing to get is that they use terms like “classist” as a moral buffer as to why they haven’t engaged with a game. To critique them is to critique poor people, it’s just a shitlib tactic to get people to stop arguing with them. I’ll go one step further and say poor people and people browner than southern Mediterraneans shouldn’t be playing any games or engaging in any conversation.
Watching streams is sometimes more fun than playing the game yourself.
>>741271857No, that just makes you a larper. Why would you refuse to play a game you're supposedly a fan of?
>>741289128I easily panic in stressful situations and get demoralized by the game over screen in situations where I feel things are out of my control. I could grind a superboss for hours in most games, that's just a skill check, but if I die because I failed to buy a potion 10 hours ago in a previous chapter, that's too much for me.
>>741289519holy shit anon it's not that deep
>I'm a football fan!>What team do you play for?>...
>>741271857No way fag. Get out of my board.
>>741289781>strawmanLAAAAAAAARPEEEEEEEEEER
>>741289519>but if I don't pay for it, don't fund it anymore, and if I can let go of it easily and treat my time invested so far as a done dealThat is a totally arbitrary opinion that means nothing. If you play a game and like it, you are a fan. Whilst fan is derived from fanatic, it is not a one-to-one translation.The thread is arguing whether playing a game is necessary to call you a fan. If you aren’t playing the game, you aren’t a fan. Stay on topic.
>>741289661>I easily panic in stressful situations and get demoralized by the game over screen in situations where I feel things are out of my controlNigga that is the point of the game. That’s like saying you don’t like Dark Souls because it’s too hard. That’s why FromSoft made it the way they did. It’s about overcoming difficulty to make it rewarding. But it’s your choice whether you play a game, but you’ll never understand the experience of beating it unless you play it. Never in a million billion years would you understand that from a YouTube walkthrough.Pick up the controller, you wet wipe.
>>741289289>Why do you pride yourself on being a gooning loser? /v/ cares more about porn than gameplay. You're the tourist here, retard
What about a VN or FMV game?
>>741289781What a retarded argument. Football can be played or watched. It’s broadcast on TV. But you, a person who watches the odd game of a premiership club every other month, should have your opinion regarded below someone who has a season ticket, who themselves should have theirs lower than someone who actually plays the game for the club.
>>741272630>pretending to be retarded>haha just le baitYeah I'm done with taking this gay bugchasing cope into consideration. At the end of the day, you're pretending to be retarded and that makes you no different that an actual retard who should be beaten.
>>741289875Looking forward to the DAMM remaster, Gojibro? I'm just happy the real MG2 is replacing SMG. It always bugged me that SMG was called MG2 in the original DAMM.
>>741289519>if I can let go of it easily and treat my time invested so far as a done deal not worth pursuing anymore as I invest elsewhere>in other words growing upThis seems like an extremely transactional and impersonal way of looking at things that I'm not actually sure you do actually like anything. It is okay to form sentimental attachments to things even if sometimes they are intended to be products.
>>741290045I tried, I really did. pathologic filtered me, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
>>741290076That graph means absolutely nothing to relation to wanking off habitually. A single strawpoll doesn’t elevate gooning into social acceptability when the chart pits lewd against woke. Of course people will pick the former.
>Dude I'm a huge fan of Hitler!>Oh yea? have you ever met him?
>>741290176A video game can be played or watched.
>>741271857>watching other people play video gamesIs this the zoomer equivalent of cuckoldry?
>>741290245I am elated to hear it be remastered. Though to tell truth I never played the original, but I did spend a lot of time with Godzilla Unleashed (PS2). It’s not been fully confirmed but I pray to god we get to see the whole trilogy with all the rosters and maybe even the unused monsters put in the games.
>>741290150Oh no but those aren't "games"
>>741289224>>741288667>>741287786dude you're a grown ass man. stop acting like you're above liking the products of capitalism.
Gameplay is just one small aspect of games. People may have had an argument back when almost all games were purely about gameplay, but nowadays games have music, voiceacting, a story, graphics, etc. that enhance the game to create an experience. It's like telling an Italian that you like pizza and they call you a fake pizza fan because you buy slices from local pizza places instead of making everything from scratch yourself. It used to be a necessity back then to make it yourself if you wanted a nice pie, but nowadays there are tons of people who can prepare the ingredients out there for you.
I enjoy watching Resident Evil games be played but I hate playing them myself
>>741290076An average game with a good design can be made a great game.A great game with a bad design can be dragged down.
>>741290280That’s fine, but when Pathalogic is being discussed, your opinion SHOULD be worth less, because you just haven’t played it. >>741290452Obviously, you retarded macaque. But if you watch a game your opinion should hold less weight than someone who has, just like if you’ve played a game but not beaten it, your opinion should hold less than someone who has beaten it. I can watch The Sopranos on my TV, but someone else can never have the same experience and can say they have watched it if they have just seen YouTube Shorts of various moments from the show.
>>741290502>Though to tell truth I never played the originalA brave thing to say in a thread like this.
>>741271857anyone who says the word valid is always the most annoying person ever
>>741290076what's stopping those "top-tier gameplay" games with woke designs from redesigning themselves?
>>741290553Yea and dome games with cool lore play like ass. Drakengard being a notable example. Who would choose to PLAY these games.
>>741290553No it's like telling an Italian you like making pizzas and they call you a fake fan because instead of making everything from scratch yourself, you place a made-to-order slice from a local joint.
>>741290671>your opinion should hold less weight than someone who hasand that, is just your opinion
>>741290725Has such a game ever existed?
>>741272124>not going to risk bricking my phone trying to emulate modern gamesYou know what? That makes a lot of sense.
>>741290553This post was crafted by someone with Downs Syndrome. Just because a game has music, and I listen to a soundtrack, does not mean my opinion is valid in a discussion about the game.To use your retarded Pizza analogy, that’s like you buying a “pie”, and I take a piece of pepperoni from it before your chromosomal, saliva drenched hands get a hand on it, then I make a critique of the whole pizza from just the Pepperoni.
>>741290598Same, the gameplay is ass.
>he calls himself a fan but hes not a fanatic
>>741290676I think people should just be honest! I love Godzilla, I’ve played one of the series entries, but I shouldn’t pretend that I’ve played Destroy All Monsters or, worse yet, have an opinion on the game when I’ve never picked it up! This is what all anons should do!
>>741291002What does valid mean here? (without using a synonyme for valid)
>>741291002>Just because a game has music, and I listen to a soundtrack, does not mean my opinion is valid in a discussion about the game.That's not even the subject of discussion anon what are you doing?>Can you be a fan of a game if you only watched someone play it>>Yes gameplay is only one part of a game now>>>UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH JUST LISTENING TO THE MUSIC DOESN'T MAKE ME A FAN
>>741289313in most AAA gachas with high production quality, every character has a backstory and some type of story arc. how can you enjoy fapping to someone whose character traits you don't even know, you filthy pleb?
>>741272557This is only a problem when you outright lie in your criticisms about said game, which is 90% of the time the case. Nobody cares if you didn’t play the game but if you are so invested in criticizing it by saying how much you hate it then it is expected to play it and actually know about it in order to criticize. Watching videos or essays is just taking some other persons opinion, not only that but watching essays already makes you into a fucking idiot considering all youtubers are also larpers.If you truly “didn’t care” about a game or “hated it on principle” then there is only one of two possible opinions you could have>the game just doesn’t interest me>the genre doesn’t appeal to youYou cannot criticize something in depth without knowing anything about it lest you sound like a retarded larper.
>>741290853>and that, is just your opinionI have no response. I have been bested.
>>741291032maybe for the OT and the VR games but 4,5,6 are pure ludo.
>>741271857it is true with moviegames like walking dead or metal gearvisual novels too
>>741290919all of those woke games currently exist/ed or will exist yet none of them would bother to rebuild themselves into something normal
>he calls himself a real nigga but he doesn't rob, loot and stealbaka
>>741291180>the lore of the image you gamble for, v2anon...
>>741291392Some visual novels have choices or branching paths so it doesn't count.
>>741291168>Yes gameplay is only one part of a game nowGAMEplay is the most important part that distinguished GAMEs. If someone said>I'm a fan of X song>oh I've never listened to it. I just read the lyrics and I like the album art. I also watched the music video (muted of course)Would you take them seriously at all? You should since the music is only one part of the song right?
>>741271857Kinda right. There are survival games that are too boring to play but watching other play it is fun.
>>741291398A woke game with top tier gameplay?
>>741291138It means that if this discussion was being held in a public forum with named individuals, we would listen to those who have played the games and are paying customers. We see companies that are influenced by an audience that is fiscally non-existent to make games that won’t sell leading to economic ruin for developers, studios and publishers. We should hold people to account, like on Xitter over the past few days, for speaking about games that they don’t play, because their dialogue influences the culture and zeitgeist.>>741291168If you watch a game you will never ever understand what it is like until you play it. The nuances of a game that requires a connection from the player via input is lost when you are watching whatever fag streamer of the week is playing.
>>741291523So Beethoven could't be a fan of music?
>>741271857i mean i watched my buddy play thru all the RE games recently and i would say i am a fan but idk who i would say that to. i just think the games are cool. do i want to play them? not really. leon is the best btw fuck chris
>>741291523>GAMEplay is the most important part that distinguished GAMEsThat hasn't been the case in almost a decade. Have you actually been paying attention to the games being released?
>>741291540nevermind, none of them even have good gameplayexcept maybe Baldur's Gate 3 but even that has a lot of caviats so I can't say it counts eitherthe graph posted was wishful thinking on the side of the woke anyway
>>741271857What if I don't play it or watch streamers and only masturbate to the characters
>>741291460nigga, you get a full 3d model not just a jpeg
>>741291547Um okay so then by that logic you couldn't have an opinion on if pre release or beta build footage looked "better" or "more fun" or "more interesting."
If a game has no replay value then watching it is the same as playing it
>>741291749>playing with yourselfyou played
>>741291632He arguably couldn't be a normal fan of listening to music once he went dead, no. But it's telling that you need to use an extreme exception that doesn't apply to 90% of people for your argument to hold any water
>>741291751bro living in 2014:skull:
>>741291547Actually "playing" games matters far less than you think. It's like the earthbound meme about the huge fan excited to play earthbound for the first time: Not playing through the turn-based combat doesn't also prevent developing a connection to said game. It's like you think every game is Quake.
>>741291696Kill yourself. If you actually think this all you’re doing is turning videogames into movies and nobody actually serious about the hobby believes this outside of journalists. Did you think Mixtape is what every videogame should strive to because some hack journo gave it 10/10? Then kys, get out of this hobby its not for you.
>>741291772That doesn't make any sense because some puzzels still require you to figure it out the first time.
>>741291632Beethoven wasn’t always deaf and began working with music before he went deaf hypocrite-kun
>>741291815Yea its hard for dead people to listen to music but if he made it to heaven he would be surrounded by angelic choirs.
>>741291864>2014I'm more ancient than that. 2010s were shit.
>>741291913>If you actually think thisEverybody thinks this. It's literally the common opinion being held right now.This thread would literally not even exist if it wasn't. Your extreme black and white thinking doesn't change the fact that gameplay is equal to the rest of the game (at best) or negligible entirely (at worst) making streamers or video essays a viable way to experience them.
>>741291984and he continued after
>Difficulty: Tell me a story!
>>7412917513d models are just fat pictures
>>741292165At least they still have to press some buttons and use their brain a little bit more than passively watching.
>>741291883is it that hard to even emulate earthbound with an english patch
that's like saying you don't have to fish to be a fishermanwhat a retarded thing to say or think
>>741292076I agree wholeheartedly. In fact we shouldn't even bother releasing games in a playable state. We should just have devs pre-record their game sessions and give those to streamers instead. If people enjoy them, they can by their own copy of the pre-recorded gameplay so they can watch it all alone and react to it all by themselves!
>>741292393Now that you're done shitting yourself, what games have you been watching anon?
can you call yourself a fan of a game if you haven’t 100%’d it on the hardest difficulty?
>>741292076Then how do you explain mixtapes reception?>gameplay is equal to the rest of the game (at best) or negligible entirely (at worst) making streamers or video essays a viable way to experience them.Actually gameplay is the most important part, watching a stream as your way to “experience” a game is no different to watching a movie because all you can talk about is the story and characters and not how hard/easy a certain part of the game was because you didn’t experience it yourself.Even if I were to agree that gameplay is “just as important as story” you’re still only experiencing half of the game, you are not properly experiencing it at all.The only exception to this are VNs, which are bare minimum games and mostly just literature/movies depending on the design. Even for story heavy games like persona the gameplay still comes first because even though you’re reading most of the time 50% of the gameplay of that game is organizing your schedule, that is gameplay it is not just “reading” or “watching a cutscene”. If all you do is watch someone play p3r then you won’t understand the nuance that goes into the decision the player makes in relation to what they do on the daily life to raise social links and social stats. You also most certainly will not understand the intricacies behind persona building, party building, party choices for which part of the tower or for a certain boss to exploit weakness or resistances, etc.Your entire argument is just one giant cope.
>>741292113Yes but he still experienced each note and how it sounded, i do not think he would have chosen to work with music if he was born deaf as he never had anyway to appreciate what it is
>>741292507>Then how do you explain mixtapes reception? Bad story and ugly visuals anon.
>>741292507any normal person would agree Mixtape isn't a game to begin withi fucking hate subjectivity because it's just a way for people to change the definition of things
>>741272527Zoomers are vape addicted sexless retards that are already nearing 30. It is fucking over for them lmao
>>741271857>This ONLY applies to visual novels
>>741292460Not sure what you mean. I'm just saying that since gameplay is such a negligble part of games nowqdays, we might as well forgo it. After all a game can still be properly experienced without the game part, and with that being the case it is much more accesible and easier on devs if they don't have to worry about implementing it. Games don't need gameplay to be games!
>>741292570Irrelevant point, even the youtube larpers where pointing out the games lack of gameplay and general player agency.>>741292578If you’re trying to say that your take on streaming being a viable way to experience a game is “objective” then you are just a self-centered delusional cunt. Theres nothing else to discuss with you. Nobody will like you as a person as all you do is enforce your ideals and push yourself into already established hobbies to try and fit in. You are like the girl or the smoker fag in this picture.
>>741292780>Irrelevant point,No it's literally the main point how is it irrelevant
>>741292780i never said streaming is a viable way to play a game. playing a game is the only viable way to play a game, that's just objective
>>741289774It is for me because my hatred of marketing departments, marketing as a research study, marketing as an executive system and its behavioural patterns and psyops, offend me in every aspect above, beyond, and beneath the Heavens.I want all marketing departments across the globe mass shot like Ceausescu alongside all politicians.>>741290271Everything is transactional in life, it's a matter of your own values whether you will treat that circumstantially, give out more than you get in some cases, or give out less while demanding more in others, or pursue total fair equivalence, and other ratios. In my personal hatred and crusade against marketing, and useful idiots who do the work of marketing for free like jannies because they are too stupid to see they are selling a dead horse as gold, subhuman tools in other words, I choose that digital entertainment as a category is fully flung into the impersonal ring. The amount of marketing is not decreasing around me in the World so I'm just gonna up the level of unfairness and coldness I have towards it and its sophisticated systems and psyops, down to and including questioning the very concept of fandom and how that slots into marketing psyops to ironically become an anti-consumer dredge in itself. In fact, I think these conversations are not had enough.
>>741292876ok Aiden, they/themyou have to study for gender pronoun matching class tomorrow
TL;DRLike whatever you like, just know your place, fucking posers.
>>741271857False. Me wanting to fuck Mei into a whole new plane of existence does not make me an Overwatch fan, and thank God for that.
>>741292827Apologies then I thought you were one of these retards>>741292804>>741292570>>741292076>>741291696
>>741292876You sound like you are utterly miserable
>>741271857Do VNs count?
>>741292332True but you'll never be a fisherwoman
>>741272258Mind you this dude is apparently 27.Still a zoomer but damn holy shit.
>>741292494Can you call yourself a fan if you didn't set the world record?
>>741271857Okay but you have to play a game to not be a poser
>>741293071VNs are often carried by fandom, cuz it's basically a technically marvelous book. Though, not reading the book you gush over still makes you a phony, so it'd be ideal to get that done, innit.
I still keep up with series that have new games that I haven't played in the last 10+ years. I barely play games these days, or watch movies for that matter. I don't know how to answer this question.
>>741271857How can an incel be a fan of sex (gooner) if they haven't had sex?
>>741293424should be easy enough to answer if you're a fan of the mass effect trilogy or dragon age origins
>>741292928>>741293065Your games will keep flopping, and I will keep using your marketing tears as lube.
>>741293597>projectionanon...
>>741293071You still have to read it, several foids love larping with Saya
>>741293597My game will on forever with free works made by fans.
You do not have to read a book or watch a movie to be a fan. Simply watching/reading a summary is enough.
>>741293803Don't forget to barve snakeoil salesman. Back to the veilguard pit with ye, filth.
>>741271857You can be fan of the content of a game, but I think being a fan of the game itself requires actually playing it.
Interest doesn't mean passion, but passion always requires interest. The easiest way to tell the difference is to play the subject in question. Only then will you know deep down if you want to devote yourself to it. Until then it is nothing but passing interest, a time-killing fling, or a place to hang with homies.
A lot of games can be good enough to be worth watching a playthrough of but absolutely not worth your time to play.Iron Lung was massively popular despite it having so little gameplay the average youtuber barely had to cut anything to get to the half hour range. That shit was so bad to play markiplier turned it into a fucking movie, and it made more money for the dev and him than his game ever could.
>you can't be a fan of tanks if you never fought in WW2>oh, you like rome? you weren't even alive back thensame mindset
>>741271857No. However you can say you are a fan of the games story/lore though. I fucking hated marathon (the original trilogy no nu bungies abortion) about 60% of the time I played it but the lore/story is incredible. If I watched a silent walkthrough I would probably have enjoyed it more
>>741293493No one who bitches about "gooners" is getting laid.
>>741294150I think that's just a general mentality problem in the indie horror genre. It's interesting ideas made on the budget of a couple afternoons between college classes that even when free most people will rather watch than actually play cuz horror has an inherent barrier to entry and short free games are considered a waste to even download let alone play.Playing is the intended experience, but most would just watch it: a level of separation indicating mere interest, not real passion. I guess the tactile example would be people who could watch horror movies free on youtube rn but watch summary channels describe it instead. One can become a real fan with one or clicks, but until that happens, they are really just posers with nothing more than surface-level interest.
>>741271857>fan of the gameno>fan of the storysure
>Im a huge fan of Lord of the Rings>no i havent read the books or watched the movies, ive just seen some social media posts and youtube videos about it
>>741271857Do these people also think that you can be a fan of books despite not reading? Are they fans of movies thay haven't watched?. Why would you want to be a fan of something that you can't even bother to experience yourself?
>>741271857I would accept it as valid if it was said by people who play video games and not people who watch streamers.
>>741271857>Silent Hill fans be likeThis one franchise is the best one to gauge someone's 'fan-ness' by the heir favorite game alone
>>741271857>You don' t have to eat food to survive>Watching streamers eat is just as validThis is how you sound.
>>741295853yeah that's normal nowlike it's even worse than that, these kids watch tiktok summaries of manga chapters instead of readingFUCKING. MANGA. CHAPTERS. shit that takes 2 minutes to read
You can call yourself a "fan" of literally whatever you want. I'm still gonna treat you like the poser you are.
>>741296909Extra bad that it's summaries of leaks and not the actual chapter
>>741272124Anyone can hate the rich. It's a truer test of your social courage to hate the poor.
>>741285002Have these anime tranny pfps ever tried not being more broke than homeless crackheads?
